Latest / Long Haul Marriage Roadcast / We Don't Have Time! (Part 9 of 10) 10 Things That Can Make or Break Your Marriage
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Can you believe.
- 0:22Speaker 2: It's already almost halfway through november No. It's crazy.
- 0:27Speaker 3: I'm already planning different nights, evenings, events for December.
- 0:32Speaker 2: Well, I know you are, and I can't believe you
- 0:35Speaker 2: just came off of the busiest evergreen weekend, and then
- 0:41Speaker 2: we went to honor your sister on her 70th birthday.
- 0:44Speaker 3: We did.
- 0:45Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Angie. Yeah, happy birthday, Ang.
- 0:48Speaker 3: Aw, we love you.
- 0:49Speaker 2: Hey, hey to Ang. And here you are making plans
- 0:52Speaker 2: for more stuff. Good night. Energizer bunny over there. So
- 0:58Speaker 2: speaking of evergreen, man, just seeing the pictures and the
- 1:01Speaker 2: videos and more than that, just the comments of people,
- 1:05Speaker 2: just their testimonies of what happened. I love just, again,
- 1:09Speaker 2: just seeing the prep and all the prayer that went
- 1:11Speaker 2: into it and just seeing just how each woman had
- 1:16Speaker 2: their own individual experience of how God met them and
- 1:21Speaker 2: just what they felt, what they experienced. And then the,
- 1:24Speaker 2: I mean, A, the repeat customers, people who've been to
- 1:27Speaker 2: at least two of the three Evergreen retreats and then
- 1:30Speaker 2: the ones who plan to come back. But more than anything,
- 1:33Speaker 2: the relationships that have been established and started and cultivated
- 1:39Speaker 2: through that. I mean, just seeing people who literally were
- 1:42Speaker 2: isolated saying they now have a new community of women
- 1:45Speaker 2: that they can relate to and feel not so alone
- 1:48Speaker 2: in this devastatingly isolated world we live in.
- 1:52Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 1:53Speaker 2: So yeah, loneliness is not going to be a thing
- 1:55Speaker 2: with the Evergreen community.
- 1:56Speaker 3: No.
- 1:57Speaker 2: So talk about it.
- 1:59Speaker 3: It was incredible. I came home happily exhausted, is what
- 2:05Speaker 3: I say. And Lisa, who came and cooked for us
- 2:08Speaker 3: the whole time, said the same thing.
- 2:09Speaker 2: Shout out to Lisa, man.
- 2:10Speaker 3: Shout out. Hey, hey to Lisa.
- 2:12Speaker 2: She was the chef.
- 2:13Speaker 3: She came and just cooked for us the whole weekend.
- 2:16Speaker 2: Serving, man.
- 2:18Speaker 3: It was really just sweet. And she could be kind
- 2:21Speaker 3: of a fly on the wall. And so she received,
- 2:25Speaker 3: but man, she gave a lot.
- 2:26Speaker 2: You don't want any flies in the food, but she was.
- 2:29Speaker 3: She was a fly on the wall. She was on
- 2:30Speaker 3: the wall. But it was just a really sweet time
- 2:34Speaker 3: where it just showed me women need this. They need
- 2:39Speaker 3: to get away. They need time to be in community
- 2:43Speaker 3: with other women. They need some downtime where everything isn't
- 2:47Speaker 3: just planned every second of the day. We gave... quite
- 2:53Speaker 3: a bit of time for you time. You get to
- 2:57Speaker 3: choose what restores you the most. So I'm talking about
- 3:01Speaker 3: you could go hike in beautiful Broken Bow. You could
- 3:05Speaker 3: go get in the hot tub. You could go sit
- 3:07Speaker 3: at the table and choose one of the crafts that
- 3:09Speaker 3: was there and just talk to other women while you're
- 3:13Speaker 3: using your hands making something beautiful. You could sit there
- 3:16Speaker 3: and do a puzzle. You could go take a nap.
- 3:20Speaker 3: I don't know how... much time women really get to
- 3:24Speaker 3: devote to that in their lives with work, with kids,
- 3:28Speaker 3: with the home. And so it is an invitation to
- 3:31Speaker 3: come get away and rest.
- 3:34Speaker 2: Speaking of rest, did you have anybody just take a
- 3:36Speaker 2: three-day nap?
- 3:37Speaker 3: Nope. Nobody hold off? No one hold off. Nope, they didn't.
- 3:40Speaker 3: They were all a part of everything. It was really beautiful.
- 3:43Speaker 3: So 25 women. We'll do another one coming up, TBD.
- 3:49Speaker 3: Not sure if it's going to be spring or summer.
- 3:53Speaker 3: So we're deciding that. And then, um, if you don't
- 3:57Speaker 3: follow evergreen women on Facebook or Instagram, uh, go follow us.
- 4:02Speaker 3: And that's the best way to kind of stay in touch.
- 4:05Speaker 2: But you know, one lady is a good by-product too,
- 4:08Speaker 2: is we had a lot of dudes missing their women.
- 4:11Speaker 2: So you realize if you don't already just know how,
- 4:16Speaker 2: how much they do and, and, are not expressing how
- 4:19Speaker 2: grateful you are for what they do around the house
- 4:21Speaker 2: and with the kids. And I mean, a lot of
- 4:23Speaker 2: us were on cooking duty and kids duty and dog
- 4:27Speaker 2: duty and all kinds of duty. Dog duty. And yeah, man.
- 4:33Speaker 2: And so we had one just reach out. I know
- 4:36Speaker 2: one husband reached out and said, man, I really miss you.
- 4:39Speaker 2: You were missed around here.
- 4:40Speaker 3: Yes.
- 4:41Speaker 2: So, you know, different stages of life that people are in,
- 4:44Speaker 2: but he He definitely missed her. And so that was
- 4:47Speaker 2: cool that he reached out and that made her feel appreciated.
- 4:50Speaker 2: She goes, I don't know if I've ever heard him
- 4:51Speaker 2: say that. That was cool.
- 4:53Speaker 3: So if you're hearing this and you think, man, that
- 4:56Speaker 3: sounds so good. My heart is just aching for something
- 4:59Speaker 3: like that. Just know that you are invited to the
- 5:04Speaker 3: evergreen table. So you don't have to come knowing a soul.
- 5:07Speaker 3: There were quite a few women who showed up that
- 5:10Speaker 3: were like, I knew of Jamie or I knew Jamie
- 5:13Speaker 3: or maybe I knew Danny or, but I, or Brian,
- 5:18Speaker 3: you know, I knew Adrena from school or whatever it is. They,
- 5:21Speaker 3: they might have known or known about someone, but most
- 5:26Speaker 3: people came not knowing. Or they said, Hey, they invited
- 5:31Speaker 3: a friend. Would you want to go with me to
- 5:32Speaker 3: do this weekend? I don't know what it's going to
- 5:34Speaker 3: be about, but let's go. And so maybe two friends
- 5:37Speaker 3: came together. But it doesn't matter. Come alone. Come with
- 5:40Speaker 3: a friend. You're invited to the table. So watch out.
- 5:44Speaker 2: That's so cool.
- 5:44Speaker 3: Watch out for the next one. And we are not
- 5:47Speaker 3: about only retreats two or maybe three times a year.
- 5:53Speaker 3: We are about doing gathering locally as well. So we
- 5:57Speaker 3: just posted this today in December, Tuesday, December the 8th,
- 6:01Speaker 3: I believe. We're doing a favorite things party here at
- 6:04Speaker 3: our house. So you can follow us to find out more.
- 6:09Speaker 2: Is it going to be one of those when the
- 6:10Speaker 2: dog bites, when the bee stings? I simply remember my
- 6:12Speaker 2: favorite things.
- 6:13Speaker 3: Maybe you can play that on the.
- 6:14Speaker 2: Piano for us while we party.
- 6:18Speaker 3: Anyway, so we're going to do some local stuff, too.
- 6:20Speaker 2: That's so cool.
- 6:21Speaker 3: I'd love for you all to join us.
- 6:23Speaker 2: The broken bow. Getting away for... Two nights, three days.
- 6:28Speaker 2: What a great deal. The pictures and the videos look great.
- 6:31Speaker 3: And we were up in the mountains of Broken Bow.
- 6:35Speaker 3: So there's like a lower elevation and then a higher elevation.
- 6:38Speaker 3: The roads we had to take there were crazy. It
- 6:42Speaker 3: looked like a roller coaster. But we were high up
- 6:46Speaker 3: at the treetops where we could see beautiful colors. It
- 6:49Speaker 3: was amazing.
- 6:51Speaker 2: So did you talk to any of those women about
- 6:52Speaker 2: our podcast? Did they... Anybody listen? I'm wondering if anybody's
- 6:56Speaker 2: doing the challenges during the week.
- 6:58Speaker 3: I hope so.
- 6:59Speaker 2: If this is making a difference. I hope so. 10
- 7:00Speaker 2: things that'll make or break your marriage. And we've got
- 7:03Speaker 2: the little challenges every week. So did we do the
- 7:06Speaker 2: challenge this week? Or were you too busy with.
- 7:10Speaker 3: I may have been too busy with Evergreen. Sorry. Maybe
- 7:12Speaker 3: that needs to be part of our.
- 7:13Speaker 2: Speaking of being too busy, episode nine, We Don't Have Time.
- 7:18Speaker 3: Yes.
- 7:18Speaker 2: We Don't Have Time. That's going to be the title
- 7:22Speaker 2: of our episode today.
- 7:23Speaker 3: And.
- 7:24Speaker 2: What I would say is we don't actually have a
- 7:26Speaker 2: time problem. We have a priority problem, right? There's only
- 7:31Speaker 2: so much time in a day and you have to
- 7:34Speaker 2: be very deliberate and intentional. Those are the words around
- 7:39Speaker 2: this on what we focus on, what gets our attention,
- 7:44Speaker 2: what gets our intention. So yeah, man, there's so many things.
- 7:48Speaker 2: Life is for sure overwhelming. And we talked to last week, Um,
- 7:54Speaker 2: in parenting, we talked about those, you know, that season of,
- 7:57Speaker 2: you know, when kids are first born, just that, the
- 8:00Speaker 2: time and attention to newborns and ankle biters and, and
- 8:04Speaker 2: then all the activities, school and extracurricular activities, sports and
- 8:09Speaker 2: dance and gymnastics and volleyball. And so, yeah, there's a
- 8:13Speaker 2: lot and it can be overwhelming. And so the question is, um,
- 8:19Speaker 2: when you start feeling that disconnect or being overwhelmed, um,
- 8:23Speaker 2: a lot of times one of the first things to
- 8:24Speaker 2: go is the time that you have with your spouse
- 8:27Speaker 2: to be intentional, to be focused. You know, we've talked
- 8:30Speaker 2: about just setting a 10 minute timer to go out and,
- 8:33Speaker 2: you know, sit in the egg chairs and watch a
- 8:34Speaker 2: sunset and how that can make a dramatic difference. Having
- 8:37Speaker 2: a vision meeting, but yeah, it's, it's challenging because some
- 8:40Speaker 2: people would say, well, it's easy for y'all to say
- 8:42Speaker 2: a little empty nesters over there, but what about us
- 8:45Speaker 2: in the throes of life? So talk about, man, there's work, phones,
- 8:50Speaker 2: social media, you know, sports and hobbies. we got our
- 8:55Speaker 2: friends that we want to attend to, right? And we've
- 8:58Speaker 2: got all the kids' activities, and we're just tired.
- 9:01Speaker 3: Yeah, just exhausted. And all that is true. I think
- 9:06Speaker 3: there may be some people that are busier than other people.
- 9:09Speaker 3: There are some people that need to probably pare down
- 9:12Speaker 3: their social calendar. But I would say you make time
- 9:20Speaker 3: for what's important.
- 9:22Speaker 2: Right.
- 9:22Speaker 3: And so... I guarantee you there is probably a super,
- 9:28Speaker 3: super busy person out there that if we looked at
- 9:31Speaker 3: their calendar, we would be like, dang, that's crazy. I, that,
- 9:34Speaker 3: that makes my head spin. But if they are passionate
- 9:38Speaker 3: about running, I guarantee you, they will find time in
- 9:43Speaker 3: their day to get in a 30 minute run. And
- 9:46Speaker 3: so it really truly comes down to priorities. So I
- 9:51Speaker 3: think most of the time it's, Our spouse isn't going
- 9:55Speaker 3: to be the one standing there going, hey, hey, listen,
- 9:58Speaker 3: pick me, pick me. We need to have time. Now,
- 10:00Speaker 3: sometimes that does happen, and it just seems like, oh,
- 10:03Speaker 3: my gosh. It just, that wears you down because you think,
- 10:06Speaker 3: where is it going to come from? Where is that
- 10:08Speaker 3: time going to come from? Speaking of that, just before,
- 10:11Speaker 3: go ahead.
- 10:11Speaker 2: Sorry.
- 10:12Speaker 3: Well, I was just going to say that it really
- 10:14Speaker 3: does come down to saying man something's got to give
- 10:19Speaker 3: because sometimes there really aren't like if you are already
- 10:22Speaker 3: waking up at five in the morning what are you
- 10:23Speaker 3: gonna wake up at four in the morning okay that's
- 10:26Speaker 3: not what we're talking.
- 10:27Speaker 2: About here and you know what i want to go
- 10:28Speaker 2: run but i also want to go to the gym
- 10:30Speaker 2: so man maybe get up at three because i want
- 10:32Speaker 2: to get that crossfit workout in before it's like and
- 10:36Speaker 2: some people would say well no not before i run
- 10:38Speaker 2: but a lot of runners like if they think i
- 10:40Speaker 2: gotta work out and you'll work out other areas of
- 10:43Speaker 2: my body i see that where it's like okay something's
- 10:45Speaker 2: going to give in the evening or in the morning.
- 10:48Speaker 2: And there's only so much time in a day, right?
- 10:50Speaker 2: And you've got to sleep. So yeah, it is priorities.
- 10:54Speaker 2: And what I was going to say is you said
- 10:55Speaker 2: a lot of spouses won't say, oh, here, pick me,
- 10:57Speaker 2: pick me. A lot of times, and you said sometimes
- 11:00Speaker 2: they do, but many times that, hey, pick me doesn't
- 11:03Speaker 2: come in the form of a question like, hey, I
- 11:07Speaker 2: miss you. I want to spend time with you. It says, hey,
- 11:10Speaker 2: aren't you always on that damn phone? So a lot
- 11:12Speaker 2: of people will say, man, you're always on your phone.
- 11:15Speaker 2: Instead of, hey, I miss you and I miss uninterrupted
- 11:19Speaker 2: time with you. So that's just one thing we've talked
- 11:21Speaker 2: about before where you can reframe if you're feeling like,
- 11:24Speaker 2: you know what, I do feel a little neglected right now.
- 11:27Speaker 2: Instead of criticizing the person always being on their phone,
- 11:30Speaker 2: you may just be honest and say, you know what,
- 11:32Speaker 2: I wish you'd hang up and hang out with me.
- 11:34Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 11:35Speaker 2: Literally. I love when you, that made me feel so good.
- 11:39Speaker 2: Instead of criticizing, man, you're always in there working on your,
- 11:43Speaker 2: you know, fishing reels or whatever. It's to say, Hey,
- 11:47Speaker 2: I really miss you.
- 11:48Speaker 3: I miss you. Yeah.
- 11:49Speaker 2: Just that will just soften someone's heart.
- 11:52Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think when you can enter into that
- 11:55Speaker 3: conversation like that, and it's not a, we're on, you know,
- 11:59Speaker 3: separate teams, we're on the same team. We've gotten really busy. Man,
- 12:03Speaker 3: I miss you. And when your heart is softened, guess what?
- 12:07Speaker 3: You're both going to start looking for ways. What you
- 12:10Speaker 3: focus on grows. And so when you focus on your
- 12:12Speaker 3: marriage and think, man, I want to spend time with him.
- 12:16Speaker 3: He's not a bother. He's not an interruption. He's not
- 12:18Speaker 3: just one more thing on my to-do list. He's somebody
- 12:21Speaker 3: I really love and want to spend time with. I
- 12:25Speaker 3: want to be curious about how he's doing or what
- 12:27Speaker 3: he's interested or what's going on in In His world.
- 12:31Speaker 3: And sometimes I think when we feel spread thin, we
- 12:34Speaker 3: can make it seem like it is this huge... It
- 12:39Speaker 3: seems like we need 36 hours away together. We're not
- 12:44Speaker 3: talking about that. I'm talking about if you can't find
- 12:48Speaker 3: 10 minutes a day, that's bare minimum. 10 minutes, 15
- 12:55Speaker 3: minutes a day to put the kids down and just...
- 12:59Speaker 3: you know, go sit in your, you know, rocking chairs
- 13:02Speaker 3: on the front porch or go, you know, go sit
- 13:04Speaker 3: on your couch with no phone, no TV, nothing interrupting
- 13:08Speaker 3: you and just take a breath together.
- 13:10Speaker 2: Yeah. And people don't believe that. And we've overemphasized it
- 13:14Speaker 2: on this before. And I want to just double, like really,
- 13:17Speaker 2: really highlight that point. Just small deposits of connection will
- 13:22Speaker 2: go a long way. Like you said, people may say, well,
- 13:26Speaker 2: I can't just I can't afford a date night, money-wise, time-wise.
- 13:30Speaker 2: When do I have time to get away on a vacation?
- 13:32Speaker 2: We're not talking about that. And maybe those are great
- 13:35Speaker 2: when you can get them, but we're talking about the small,
- 13:40Speaker 2: the bids for connection. Hey, will you go take a
- 13:42Speaker 2: walk with me after supper for 15 minutes? Will you
- 13:45Speaker 2: go sit and watch the sunset? And you know what?
- 13:47Speaker 2: Another small deposit of connection. You did that this weekend,
- 13:50Speaker 2: and I want to just brag on it. So obviously
- 13:53Speaker 2: you're busy. You've got evergreen. You're running a freaking women's retreat.
- 13:57Speaker 2: And you've got all the logistics that you're thinking about.
- 14:00Speaker 2: Every woman that you prayed for and you're writing them
- 14:03Speaker 2: cards and praying for them by name before the retreat.
- 14:07Speaker 2: You're speaking for crying out loud. You're hosting. You're doing
- 14:10Speaker 2: the whole, you know, doing everything. And a lot of
- 14:13Speaker 2: times I wouldn't expect to hear from you. And not
- 14:17Speaker 2: only did I hear from you, but you called me
- 14:19Speaker 2: like a couple of times. But when you didn't call,
- 14:24Speaker 2: just the text that said, hey, I miss my buddy.
- 14:27Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 14:27Speaker 2: I mean, you took the time to say, Hey, I
- 14:29Speaker 2: miss my buddy. That makes me feel good. And so
- 14:32Speaker 2: that is a form of connection instead of just thinking, well,
- 14:36Speaker 2: of course your wife's going to want to go and
- 14:38Speaker 2: she's going to want to be there. But a lot
- 14:40Speaker 2: of times we'll go do our thing. I mean, guys
- 14:42Speaker 2: go to, you know, to the hunting lease for the weekend,
- 14:45Speaker 2: just shooting back a text and you may not have service.
- 14:48Speaker 2: I get it, but just leave something on the pillow. Say, Hey,
- 14:51Speaker 2: I'm going to miss you. So yeah, I'm having fun. And, but,
- 14:56Speaker 2: And it's not like, well, I'd rather be home than here.
- 14:58Speaker 2: You don't have to go overboard, but it's just simply saying, hey,
- 15:01Speaker 2: you know what? I'm thinking about you.
- 15:03Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 15:04Speaker 2: So those are the things that we're talking about. And
- 15:06Speaker 2: I just challenge you. So for good teeth hygiene, I mean,
- 15:09Speaker 2: just for crying out loud, nobody, I don't think most
- 15:12Speaker 2: people listening. are just not going to brush their teeth. Right.
- 15:16Speaker 2: Do you brush your teeth all day?
- 15:17Speaker 3: No.
- 15:17Speaker 2: You've got a habit where you do it in the morning.
- 15:19Speaker 2: You do it before you go to bed. That's most people.
- 15:21Speaker 3: Great point.
- 15:22Speaker 2: And you may floss while you're watching Netflix, okay? You've
- 15:24Speaker 2: got your little tooth thing. You've had some popcorn. You
- 15:27Speaker 2: get out your little toothpicks. Okay.
- 15:29Speaker 3: Okay.
- 15:30Speaker 2: Guess what? For good teeth hygiene, it doesn't take all
- 15:33Speaker 2: day long. It takes a few intentional minutes that you've
- 15:36Speaker 2: baked in as habits in your life.
- 15:39Speaker 3: Simple daily habits. And so if you, if you think
- 15:42Speaker 3: about that, like just little, I love how you compared
- 15:46Speaker 3: it to brushing your teeth. I doubt people go without
- 15:49Speaker 3: brushing their teeth or, you know, go without. Why?
- 15:53Speaker 2: Because it's important to them.
- 15:56Speaker 3: Yeah. Or, you know, taking a shower every day or, Girls,
- 16:00Speaker 3: you know, wash their hair once a week like I
- 16:03Speaker 3: do or every other day or whatever. And you kind
- 16:05Speaker 3: of plan everything around it. Like, good grief. We build
- 16:10Speaker 3: in time for things that are important to us. And
- 16:14Speaker 3: so we've just lost focus. That's all it is. It's
- 16:17Speaker 3: we get used to each other. You know, you live
- 16:20Speaker 3: in the same house. You're just you kind of an
- 16:23Speaker 3: episode we did a few weeks ago was becoming roommates
- 16:27Speaker 3: instead of lovers or something like that. And so, you know,
- 16:30Speaker 3: you've just kind of, they just become wallpaper and like yada,
- 16:33Speaker 3: yada there, you know, there he is. Yes. I love him,
- 16:37Speaker 3: but I don't really, you know, it's my kids that
- 16:39Speaker 3: are like asking for attention or, you know, whatever, but it's, it's,
- 16:45Speaker 3: I hope that you hear this podcast today and go, wow. Okay. Wow. Okay.
- 16:51Speaker 3: I'm awake. I get it. Yes. I have not really
- 16:55Speaker 3: thought about my spouse being important in a while. And
- 17:00Speaker 3: it's not reserved for once a week or, you know,
- 17:04Speaker 3: when you do a, you know, weekend to remember, like
- 17:08Speaker 3: a marriage retreat once a year, whatever. If you, it's
- 17:12Speaker 3: small little things that seem totally insignificant that build up
- 17:18Speaker 3: to a relationship. And so if you think that that
- 17:23Speaker 3: sounds like, wow, that's going in a positive direction, if
- 17:27Speaker 3: we want to look at it going the other direction,
- 17:30Speaker 3: you just chip away and you spend your day with your,
- 17:34Speaker 3: on your kids, on yourself, on your work, on your friends,
- 17:38Speaker 3: on your pets, whatever it is, uh, on your workout,
- 17:43Speaker 3: you know, regimen and leave your spouse, you know, they're
- 17:46Speaker 3: left out. Lucy, like he's fine. He's a big boy.
- 17:49Speaker 3: He's fine. I don't, he doesn't need, he takes care
- 17:51Speaker 3: of himself. You know, I make him dinner. I'm not that,
- 17:54Speaker 3: that's not what we're talking about. But if you were
- 17:55Speaker 3: to just go, just in the wrong direction of just
- 18:00Speaker 3: neglecting your spouse, not paying attention to them, not building
- 18:05Speaker 3: in these moments every day. Guess what? We see this
- 18:08Speaker 3: all the time with couples where the kids are, you know, 17, 18,
- 18:13Speaker 3: 19 years old, all leaving the house to, you know,
- 18:18Speaker 3: leave you empty nesters. And you look at each other like, uh-oh.
- 18:23Speaker 3: We haven't invested in us in a very long time.
- 18:27Speaker 3: And now we don't even know each other anymore. Yeah.
- 18:30Speaker 2: Think about when you're about to go, let's say, to
- 18:33Speaker 2: a party or any social function. How many times or
- 18:38Speaker 2: how much time do men or women, I think women
- 18:42Speaker 2: maybe think about it a little longer, what they're going
- 18:44Speaker 2: to wear, what they're going to look like, what kind
- 18:47Speaker 2: of makeup, how they're going to do their hair, and
- 18:49Speaker 2: possibly what is someone going to think about me? You're
- 18:53Speaker 2: literally giving mental energy to what is someone else going
- 18:57Speaker 2: to think about me? People that you don't spend any
- 18:59Speaker 2: time with maybe and sometimes don't really care that much about.
- 19:05Speaker 2: And that one person in your life, your spouse, think
- 19:09Speaker 2: about how much time you've spent, not about impressing them
- 19:12Speaker 2: or dressing nicely for them, not that, but what are
- 19:15Speaker 2: they thinking about you right now? What impressions do they
- 19:18Speaker 2: have of you? We've talked about for, you know, there's
- 19:21Speaker 2: failure to thrive if you don't get touched when you're
- 19:23Speaker 2: an infant, you know, you don't survive and we all
- 19:26Speaker 2: need physical touch. But for men, even the just not
- 19:32Speaker 2: the number two need of men. We're not talking about sex.
- 19:34Speaker 2: We're talking about touch. When a woman comes and touches
- 19:37Speaker 2: a man physiologically, they say it's so much more than
- 19:41Speaker 2: you think. Like the cortisol decreases, the stress hormone, you know,
- 19:45Speaker 2: your blood pressure lowers, your oxytocin, a 22nd hug, right,
- 19:51Speaker 2: releases oxytocin. So the bonding chemical. And it's so, and
- 19:55Speaker 2: obviously women, they love to be touched as well and
- 19:59Speaker 2: not the touch that's a grope or wanting something more
- 20:02Speaker 2: than just non-sexual affection. But it's so important. And we just,
- 20:06Speaker 2: sometimes we don't do that.
- 20:07Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
- 20:08Speaker 2: And to be intentional with that is just like being
- 20:11Speaker 2: intentional by saying, hey, I miss my buddy.
- 20:14Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 20:14Speaker 2: To just say, you know what, I'm going to walk up.
- 20:18Speaker 2: And so our brains are like Velcro when it comes
- 20:21Speaker 2: to negativity. And they're like Teflon when it comes to positivity.
- 20:25Speaker 2: So it takes a second, a nanosecond for something negative.
- 20:28Speaker 2: So think how many negative maybe jabs or criticisms or
- 20:31Speaker 2: something you may throw out to your spouse or just
- 20:34Speaker 2: some negative energy.
- 20:35Speaker 3: Right.
- 20:36Speaker 2: It may not be a criticism. Maybe you're just upset
- 20:38Speaker 2: or mad or just kind of just venting or whatever.
- 20:40Speaker 2: But it takes 15 seconds for a positive thought to
- 20:44Speaker 2: imprint on your brain. So if you think about that,
- 20:48Speaker 2: how about walking up to your spouse, putting your hands
- 20:49Speaker 2: on their shoulder, looking them in the eye for 15
- 20:52Speaker 2: seconds and say, hey, I sure appreciate you. I really
- 20:55Speaker 2: love you. 15 seconds. And I mean, again, exclamation point,
- 21:02Speaker 2: yellow highlighter. Taking small, small amounts of time to make
- 21:08Speaker 2: those deposits in the old quote love bank, right, will
- 21:12Speaker 2: cover a multitude of overwhelmed, not enough timeness in your marriage.
- 21:18Speaker 3: So for instance, I'll say from last night and then today,
- 21:22Speaker 3: when you bring this up, I'm thinking, wow, several times
- 21:27Speaker 3: you've said, babe, I'm really proud of you. You killed
- 21:32Speaker 3: it with Evergreen. I love seeing the pictures, hearing the stories.
- 21:36Speaker 3: Thanks for your investment in doing that, which it was
- 21:39Speaker 3: your investment. You're like, I'll let you go for the
- 21:43Speaker 3: weekend and just go do your thing. And not just
- 21:46Speaker 3: the weekend, like it takes a long time leading up
- 21:49Speaker 3: to it. And you know, the cleanup after and all that.
- 21:51Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't have any fun playing guitar and poker
- 21:53Speaker 2: and watching football all day.
- 21:56Speaker 3: You're just super, you know, you could be saying that.
- 21:59Speaker 3: I think that's the thing. There are many times that
- 22:02Speaker 3: we are thinking positive sentiments about our spouse, you know,
- 22:08Speaker 3: and we just don't say it. And so you think, oh, well,
- 22:11Speaker 3: they just, you know, by osmosis grabbed that. But for
- 22:15Speaker 3: you to actually say, I'm really proud of you or,
- 22:18Speaker 3: saying you must be so tired from all that you
- 22:22Speaker 3: gave this weekend or whatever. That made me feel so
- 22:25Speaker 3: seen and so appreciated. And then this morning when our
- 22:29Speaker 3: coffee was brewing and you just kind of grabbed me
- 22:33Speaker 3: and hugged me and I was like, you feel really
- 22:35Speaker 3: tall because you had your shoes on and I was
- 22:38Speaker 3: barefoot or whatever. But I mean, you are quite a
- 22:40Speaker 3: bit taller than me. But just in that moment, just
- 22:43Speaker 3: that quick hug while we were waiting for our coffee
- 22:47Speaker 3: to brew. Yeah. meant the world to me. It only
- 22:52Speaker 3: took a second, but I feel very seen and valued
- 22:57Speaker 3: by you, very encouraged. So thank you for that. And
- 23:00Speaker 3: just an example, it did not take a lot of time,
- 23:03Speaker 3: but you said what was in your head and your
- 23:04Speaker 3: heart to me.
- 23:06Speaker 2: And you know, I mean, so we don't have ankle
- 23:09Speaker 2: biters around, but we were just joking earlier about how
- 23:12Speaker 2: many times we've heard with our grandkids, Papa, George, instead of,
- 23:17Speaker 2: Hold me. It's hold you. But it's hoshu. Hoshu. She's
- 23:21Speaker 2: got her arms up. Hoshu, hoshu. So I pick up Georgia.
- 23:25Speaker 2: And you may think, well, man, I'm taking care of kids.
- 23:27Speaker 2: I'm feeding them mac and cheese. And I've got this
- 23:29Speaker 2: one over here trying to break something. Hey, pick up
- 23:32Speaker 2: that grandkid and walk over to your spouse or your child,
- 23:36Speaker 2: your three-year-old. Pick them up and hold them in one
- 23:40Speaker 2: arm and go put your other arm around your spouse
- 23:42Speaker 2: and give them a kiss on the forehead. And you
- 23:43Speaker 2: watch the face of your kid. Mm-hmm. the delight in
- 23:48Speaker 2: their eyes when they see. They feel safe. They feel love.
- 23:52Speaker 2: I see that little grin on Georgia's face when I
- 23:54Speaker 2: walk over. I've got her in my arm and I
- 23:56Speaker 2: come over and just love on you. Go, love on
- 23:58Speaker 2: Mimi and just kiss you on the cheek. She just
- 24:01Speaker 2: loves that. So that's, I mean, so no excuses. That's
- 24:05Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
- 24:05Speaker 3: No excuses. And you may think, well, our kids have
- 24:09Speaker 3: a good life. You know, we don't fight. Like they see,
- 24:13Speaker 3: they've got two parents. They don't see us fighting a
- 24:16Speaker 3: lot or whatever.
- 24:17Speaker 2: We don't fight? Or you're saying you're speaking for these parents.
- 24:20Speaker 2: We don't fight.
- 24:21Speaker 3: No, no. I'm speaking for other people that may be saying. Hey, well,
- 24:25Speaker 3: we fight. No, no. They may be saying. Yeah, I
- 24:28Speaker 3: got you.
- 24:28Speaker 2: I'm kidding.
- 24:29Speaker 3: Our kids are being raised in a great home.
- 24:31Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't fight.
- 24:32Speaker 3: We're together. But just like you said about Georgia, anytime
- 24:38Speaker 3: they feel or see their parents fighting, intentionally loving each other,
- 24:45Speaker 3: a hug or a road or a card or flowers like,
- 24:50Speaker 3: Oh dad, you know, look what, look what your dad
- 24:52Speaker 3: brought me, you know, thank you, honey, or whatever they,
- 24:55Speaker 3: that instantly just makes them feel so safe, so secure.
- 25:00Speaker 3: So you may feel like, well, yeah, that we're giving
- 25:02Speaker 3: them that. But if you really think back, what did they,
- 25:06Speaker 3: what are they watching you do? Yeah. And I think
- 25:11Speaker 3: you would be amazed at how, just letting them watch
- 25:15Speaker 3: you do little, like say these, you know, small little
- 25:19Speaker 3: moments or, or, Hey, I need you to stay in
- 25:21Speaker 3: your bed. Cause my, this is mommy and daddy time.
- 25:23Speaker 3: We're going outside. We're going to catch up and visit.
- 25:26Speaker 3: Cause we love to be together and we haven't gotten
- 25:29Speaker 3: to do that today.
- 25:29Speaker 2: So you stay in your bed.
- 25:31Speaker 3: We're going outside.
- 25:31Speaker 2: Or just, Hey, not right now. You know, the interruptions,
- 25:34Speaker 2: the constant interruptions sometimes, Hey, not right now. Mom's listening
- 25:38Speaker 2: to dad. Hey, not right now. Daddy's, listening i he's
- 25:41Speaker 2: i'm i'm telling your dad something right now and they
- 25:45Speaker 2: will respect that they get oh okay this is important
- 25:47Speaker 2: and the universe does not revolve around me mom and
- 25:50Speaker 2: dad take priority over us so yeah that's that's that's
- 25:54Speaker 2: good um and and then when you can include like
- 25:58Speaker 2: i said the kids when it's appropriate include them in
- 26:02Speaker 2: uh some of the bids for connection because they see
- 26:05Speaker 2: uh hey, this is, it's their home. It's like my
- 26:10Speaker 2: home is a place. Somebody said the best gift a
- 26:14Speaker 2: dad can give his son or daughter is to love
- 26:16Speaker 2: their mother well. Well, why? Because the security and safety
- 26:22Speaker 2: of the home, it's like, wow, mom and dad, they're
- 26:24Speaker 2: not going anywhere. I remember when we used to start
- 26:27Speaker 2: arguing and our kids were little, the time where the
- 26:30Speaker 2: kids would come over and take mom's hand and bring
- 26:34Speaker 2: her over to daddy's hand and they would join our
- 26:37Speaker 2: hands together. Like, Hey, we all please knock it off.
- 26:40Speaker 2: And we all please come together because it's a threat
- 26:43Speaker 2: to them to see us arguing.
- 26:45Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 26:45Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 26:46Speaker 3: So I think we make it a really, like it's
- 26:49Speaker 3: this huge monumental, huge dramatic shift. And so you just
- 26:56Speaker 3: want to throw in the towel and go, I, you
- 26:58Speaker 3: know what, we're going to go ahead and get past
- 27:00Speaker 3: these six years or these, 17 years, and then I'll
- 27:06Speaker 3: start tending to him again. Think about the way that
- 27:11Speaker 3: you tend to your pets, your dogs or your cats.
- 27:15Speaker 3: Think about how you tend to your plants. We talked
- 27:18Speaker 3: about that, Summit Evergreen. Sometimes I'm so horrible with our
- 27:22Speaker 3: plants because I wait until they're sad. So Ruru would say, Mimi,
- 27:27Speaker 3: the plants are sad, which means they're just completely shriveled up.
- 27:32Speaker 3: not having one bit of water. And I just go
- 27:34Speaker 3: douse them with water, just like a fire hose. And
- 27:39Speaker 3: I'm sure if plants could talk, they would say, could
- 27:41Speaker 3: you just please, just a little every day or every
- 27:45Speaker 3: other day, and not just wait until I'm about to
- 27:48Speaker 3: die before you give me water. And so I think
- 27:52Speaker 3: we many times tend to ourselves or our home or
- 27:57Speaker 3: our animals or our plants way more than we do
- 28:00Speaker 3: our spouse. So I think if we just do those
- 28:03Speaker 3: small daily habits, something, if you just make that like,
- 28:07Speaker 3: that's your goal this week, what can I do today
- 28:10Speaker 3: to tell him I love him, to show him I
- 28:12Speaker 3: love him. And it's not some big, huge shift and
- 28:16Speaker 3: it's going to feel awkward. If you haven't done it
- 28:19Speaker 3: in a while, it may feel kind of awkward, but
- 28:21Speaker 3: I think having that conversation, Hey, I, it was just
- 28:24Speaker 3: brought to my attention that I probably haven't been showing
- 28:27Speaker 3: you much attention and I want that to change. And so,
- 28:31Speaker 3: when you see me daily, like reaching out or we,
- 28:33Speaker 3: you know, giving you a hug or writing you in,
- 28:36Speaker 3: just know, because I'm really, you know, I feel bad.
- 28:39Speaker 3: I'm sorry that I haven't paid much attention to you.
- 28:42Speaker 3: And I want to do better in this, in this area.
- 28:46Speaker 2: A lot of times when we're talking to couples, they
- 28:48Speaker 2: talk about, we don't have, we just don't have time.
- 28:51Speaker 2: And when I listen to their lives, you really can't
- 28:54Speaker 2: find any margin. You hear it and you understand it's like, wow, like, something,
- 28:59Speaker 2: but what's going to give something's going to give. And
- 29:01Speaker 2: so you, you have to dig in the places that
- 29:03Speaker 2: maybe you wouldn't look, uh, to find that extra time.
- 29:07Speaker 2: And I just think it's easy. I mean, obviously we,
- 29:11Speaker 2: we all know, man, you just blink. I mean, these old,
- 29:14Speaker 2: you know, the grandparents are saying, you just blink and
- 29:16Speaker 2: it's gone, you know, they're grown. And so what happened
- 29:18Speaker 2: to the time? And we all know that, I mean,
- 29:21Speaker 2: to our core, we all know that, but then we,
- 29:23Speaker 2: we wake up, you know, when there's the funeral that
- 29:26Speaker 2: we're going to and, You watch the video and you think, man,
- 29:29Speaker 2: just a year ago, look, they were at the freaking
- 29:31Speaker 2: beach together. And there was the diagnosis. And then there
- 29:34Speaker 2: was the, just the passing of this. And, but it's
- 29:37Speaker 2: easy to defer everything. The, as soon as disease, well,
- 29:40Speaker 2: as soon as they're out of diapers, you know, as
- 29:42Speaker 2: soon as they're in middle school, as soon as they're
- 29:44Speaker 2: in high school, well, as soon as they go off
- 29:45Speaker 2: to college, like you put things off, but man, when
- 29:49Speaker 2: it comes to time, there's just, it's all the regret
- 29:53Speaker 2: that you see. It's the guy I think we've talked
- 29:55Speaker 2: about that said, man, his wife wanted to travel. And
- 29:57Speaker 2: she said it all the time. It's like, you know what? We,
- 30:00Speaker 2: we will, we will. And then all of a sudden
- 30:02Speaker 2: diagnosis and she's gone and now he's got all this
- 30:05Speaker 2: money and he's in his home alone and he's saying,
- 30:10Speaker 2: dang it, why didn't we travel?
- 30:11Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 30:12Speaker 2: So it's like, do the thing, like do the thing now.
- 30:15Speaker 3: Right.
- 30:15Speaker 2: And like I said, the funerals get our attention, you know,
- 30:17Speaker 2: watching the, the videos and the posts about how many
- 30:21Speaker 2: summers you have, you know, 18 summers, right? Or whatever
- 30:26Speaker 2: you have and your kids grown and gone. I remember
- 30:30Speaker 2: so weird when the kids, you know, all the football games,
- 30:33Speaker 2: all the basketball games, even baseball for a little bit, soccer, volleyball,
- 30:37Speaker 2: we had all that. And then the school programs and
- 30:40Speaker 2: going to senior day or whatever, the rose ceremony and
- 30:44Speaker 2: the senior walkout. When the last one graduated, I just
- 30:50Speaker 2: remember going, dude, that's all over. And I don't remember
- 30:55Speaker 2: thinking this is my last school assembly or this is
- 30:57Speaker 2: my last sports banquet or this is the last time
- 31:01Speaker 2: we're going to be on this football field. I mean, yeah,
- 31:04Speaker 2: if you're at Jerry World and you're playing for state,
- 31:06Speaker 2: maybe it gets your attention, you know, and your kid's
- 31:08Speaker 2: a senior and he's about to go off to university.
- 31:10Speaker 2: But I just remember it's this weird feeling I had like, Wait,
- 31:14Speaker 2: there's always been something next. There's always something next. And
- 31:18Speaker 2: when it comes to raising kids, all of a sudden
- 31:20Speaker 2: I thought there was no dress rehearsal. Like this was it.
- 31:24Speaker 2: I just felt like literally that was the thought I had.
- 31:27Speaker 2: I felt like this was just like a dress rehearsal.
- 31:29Speaker 2: Like there's got to be something that this is all
- 31:32Speaker 2: leading to. And it's like there was no dress rehearsal.
- 31:35Speaker 2: That was the show, man. And if you're not careful,
- 31:38Speaker 2: you missed the show.
- 31:39Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 31:40Speaker 2: And so that you don't have time. We don't have time.
- 31:43Speaker 2: Don't have time for what? I mean, so, and sometimes
- 31:47Speaker 2: when you look at, when I said this couple, we
- 31:49Speaker 2: were like, I mean, shoot, all of us, sometimes we
- 31:52Speaker 2: just have no margin. It's like, where are we going
- 31:54Speaker 2: to find this time? It's, I just remember telling this
- 31:59Speaker 2: one couple recently, man, the life that you're living right now,
- 32:03Speaker 2: like it's not sustainable. Like, can you do this for
- 32:05Speaker 2: another year? Could you do this for another five years? Like,
- 32:08Speaker 2: if you look at it, like, Dude, there won't be
- 32:10Speaker 2: a marriage. And so you have to really make some
- 32:12Speaker 2: tough evaluations. Like, is the way we're going healthy, sustainable?
- 32:17Speaker 2: Can we keep doing it and have any kind of
- 32:19Speaker 2: relationship at all? Yeah. So it's that ruthless inventory.
- 32:23Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 32:24Speaker 2: And I think you said it before. We all have intentions.
- 32:26Speaker 2: We appreciate our spouse, but sometimes we just don't say it.
- 32:29Speaker 2: We also have good intentions, again, that we're going to
- 32:33Speaker 2: right this train. We're going to right the priority train.
- 32:35Speaker 2: And you know what? We're just in a busy season,
- 32:37Speaker 2: which can be true at times. Mm-hmm. But so many
- 32:40Speaker 2: times that little writing of the ship, the mid-course correction
- 32:45Speaker 2: never comes.
- 32:46Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 32:46Speaker 2: Because we're just letting life do it. So sometimes it's saying, okay,
- 32:50Speaker 2: if I think what are my priorities, like what do
- 32:53Speaker 2: I value in my life? And make a list. Here's one, two, three, four,
- 32:58Speaker 2: top four, top five. And then not, well, do I
- 33:02Speaker 2: believe that? Because most of us would go, well, yeah,
- 33:05Speaker 2: I just made the list. That's what I believe my
- 33:07Speaker 2: values are. But now look at your calendar. and look
- 33:10Speaker 2: at your time spent and do they match? Does the
- 33:13Speaker 2: time spent, are they allocated number one, the top percentage
- 33:18Speaker 2: to number one, the second percentage to number two, the
- 33:22Speaker 2: third percentage to number three. And if they don't, you
- 33:24Speaker 2: need to make sure you can align those and make
- 33:27Speaker 2: the adjustments.
- 33:28Speaker 3: Yeah. That's good. So what's I just really quick. I
- 33:32Speaker 3: was going to say there, there may be some couples
- 33:35Speaker 3: or some people that are listening that, that when they
- 33:38Speaker 3: really start thinking about this and they're really honest with themselves,
- 33:44Speaker 3: they think, well, I don't make a bid for connection
- 33:47Speaker 3: because I don't really want to spend time with him
- 33:50Speaker 3: or her. They've hurt me. I feel resentful. They make
- 33:57Speaker 3: me feel bad. They're mean or whatever it is. We
- 34:03Speaker 3: had that argument and because of our crazy schedule, we
- 34:06Speaker 3: just had to button it up and just push it
- 34:08Speaker 3: down and not deal with it. And so that's just
- 34:12Speaker 3: left us with this wall of resentment. And so if
- 34:16Speaker 3: that comes up for you after you hear this podcast episode,
- 34:22Speaker 3: there may be some bigger fish to fry before you
- 34:25Speaker 3: just spend time together. There's probably a reason why you
- 34:29Speaker 3: don't realize you're doing it. But if you don't feel
- 34:32Speaker 3: safe around somebody or you feel hurt or resentful or bitter,
- 34:37Speaker 3: you are going to look for other places to connect.
- 34:40Speaker 3: You are going to be like, well, I don't have
- 34:42Speaker 3: time for my spouse, but I have time to go
- 34:44Speaker 3: out with my friends once a week or every couple
- 34:48Speaker 3: of weeks to dinner. Because guess what? Your friends haven't
- 34:50Speaker 3: hurt you. You love your friends. Y'all have fun. You laugh.
- 34:53Speaker 3: So with your husband or your wife, there may be
- 34:57Speaker 3: some things that you... need to tend to before you just,
- 35:01Speaker 3: it's not like a magic pill, just start spending time together.
- 35:05Speaker 3: There may be some issues that you need to deal
- 35:08Speaker 3: with before you get to the place where you really
- 35:12Speaker 3: enjoy and appreciate your spouse. So call Long Haul Marriage
- 35:17Speaker 3: and we will help you.
- 35:19Speaker 2: So the 15 minute rule is going to be our
- 35:22Speaker 2: challenge for the week. Every day for one week.
- 35:27Speaker 3: Okay.
- 35:27Speaker 2: So you're hearing this podcast on a Tuesday, hopefully. I
- 35:30Speaker 2: don't know when you're hearing it. But anyway, it comes
- 35:32Speaker 2: out every Tuesday at 5 a.m. Just in case you
- 35:35Speaker 2: didn't know that. On every major platform, if you're hearing
- 35:38Speaker 2: this on... Yeah, anyway. So everybody knows where to find it.
- 35:42Speaker 2: Every day for one week, 15 uninterrupted minutes together. 15
- 35:50Speaker 2: uninterrupted minutes together. I know that may sound like a
- 35:52Speaker 2: previous challenge, but we know you didn't do it. So
- 35:54Speaker 2: you're going to try it.
- 35:55Speaker 3: No phones.
- 35:55Speaker 2: No phones. No TV, no household logistics, just connection. Just
- 36:05Speaker 2: simple connection.
- 36:06Speaker 3: That's good.
- 36:07Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 36:08Speaker 3: That's good. We'd love to hear from you if you
- 36:11Speaker 3: do it.
- 36:12Speaker 2: And what does connection start with, baby?
- 36:14Speaker 3: Oh.
- 36:15Speaker 2: It starts with the letter what?
- 36:17Speaker 3: See ya.
- 36:17Speaker 2: See ya.
- 36:19Speaker 3: Y'all have a great week.