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Ep. 37 - The Black Man in the Boat: Untold Heroes of the Delaware · 4DAFAM

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Welcome to episode 37 of For The Fan Podcast.
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So, I had several choices. Several? But only one of them made sense. Wait, wait, wait.
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I want to know how you came up with several.
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Well, two legit ones. Okay. One was going to be a joke. Okay.
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So this is clearly the Sean Alexander episode. Okay.
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Ron Artest. Oh, wow. When he was Metta World P. Okay.
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And one of Giannis' brothers. See, I was thinking, now this is about to really
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get you. I was thinking Tony Parrish, who played safety for the Bears back in the day.
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That's what I was thinking. But he's not well-known enough to even get.
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And it's funny because I hadn't heard that name in forever. Yeah.
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But yeah, when I was searching, because I had drawn a blank.
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And then I pulled it up and saw Sean Alexander. I was like, oh,
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obviously Sean Alexander, for sure.
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For sure. Christus, whatever his younger brother, the one that played on the
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Bucs. I don't know him. I don't know him.
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We getting into some bad numbers here, bro, until we probably reach 40?
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38? Woo, that's going to be another tough one. Especially when we're looking for Blackhap.
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Yeah. Because there was a couple of famous NHL players awarded in the 7th.
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From the Pittsburgh Penguins and a couple other ones. But, yeah,
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it's kind of difficult. Yeah, yeah, 38 and 39, probably going to be kind of
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difficult. But I think we could probably get a couple at 39, though.
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Just wait until we get to about 81.
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We're going to have a bunch of offensive linemen on that. Well,
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no, you got a lot of receivers, though, that wear 81. Well, yeah,
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okay, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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From 80 to 90, we should be good. Yeah, yeah, them 70s is when we're going to
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be offensive linemen. Yeah.
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60s and 70s. We might have to go to college for them. Probably will.
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It's all good. But anyway, bro, what are we getting into today?
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So today on this 250th anniversary, we want to talk about the unsigned heroes,
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that helped George Washington cross the Delaware. Yep.
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Go ahead, bro. Jump into it. All right. So let me get my notes up here.
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So today we want to talk about a couple of people in particular and just the
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14th Continental Regiment.
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Now, the 14th Continental Regiment wasn't all black soldiers.
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No. But it was it was fairly black, white. It was diverse. Yeah.
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And the crazy thing is, is that they represented 10 to 15 percent of George
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Washington's army, Which is insane considering he looked at everybody like they
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were crazy when they wanted to include black soldiers,
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originally in his army.
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He didn't want any of these people fighting with him.
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Excuse me. So as he crossed the Delaware, it was Christmas night, 1776.
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And forgive me, I'm trying to find this brother's name. He was at the front of the boat.
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Right. And I got it. I just got to find it.
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He was at the front of the boat on that famous painting. George Washington. Correct.
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Correct. They didn't use the wrong paintbrush, people. Correct.
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That was a black man. Correct. Basically, he was the engine.
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Well, why are you? Why are you searching for his name? Why the hell?
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To give some other historical context to this. So basically. Yeah.
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We were losing. And there was low morale, to say it bluntly.
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And it wasn't until George Washington recruited this diverse coalition,
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like you said, black, white, indigenous slash natives to help get them across the Delaware River.
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And what they did is they sought out the expertise of John Glover and John Glover actually was the one who.
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I don't want to say enlisted, but hired this diverse cast of characters.
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And and they weren't necessarily troops what they were,
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fishermen fishermen yeah mariners so they knew how to navigate the icy river,
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which no one else was able to do,
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and they have attempted to or or even attempted and that's how they caught the
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british by surprise and was able to turn the tides of the war.
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So, yes, you are correct.
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The black man on the painting, that is not a mistake.
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He was instrumental in helping navigate, but not just him, but other black men,
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other indigenous men, other white men.
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They were all intricate and helping navigate those boats down the Delaware River. Prince Whipple.
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That's it right there. Of course, he had an elite stature.
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He served as a bodyguard in the military. And he was right there during the
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crossing and in the Battle of Trent with George Washington.
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In doing this research, I wondered, why have we never heard the name Prince
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Whipple or Oliver Cromwell, which is another person yes sir um.
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So this is something I found. It says local accounts of the Battle of Trenton
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note that Cromwell fought with intense bravery, going house to house to silence
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Hessian snipers and personally capturing enemy soldiers at gunpoint.
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Now, keep in mind, at this time, we were considered to be less than in everything. For sure.
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I think about that, bro. Raising children, breastfeeding children,
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cooking food, tending to the fields, nursing people back to health and still consider less than.
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It's par for the course, though. And I don't mean that in a good way.
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When we think about history textbooks, often the accomplishments of everyone, unless you're white,
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everyone is removed from the pages because they have to promote the white is right.
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And we did everything. And this is why we say, guys, we're not just two guys
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that's always complaining or crying about a racist system.
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The evidence shows as you listen to this podcast, as you do your own research,
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the evidence shows just how racist the system really was.
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What we're doing is bringing light to something that should have been.
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That should have been. Because this should just be taught. Exactly.
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No agenda. No agenda. It just should be taught. Correct. We had to get over slavery.
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We learned about that shit in school. Correct. We didn't go home crying to our
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parents and expecting our mothers and fathers to come back to the school.
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I'm sure my parents were like, good. They should be taught about this stuff.
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But nowadays, if you want to teach about how racist somebody's grandfather was
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or great-grandfather was,
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We want to send in counselors that tell
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you this this will be this will be detrimental to the learning of who?
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Correct. Because it's history. It actually happened. These events took place. Yeah.
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So there there is no what's the what's the silly statement that they were saying?
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This make white kids feel bad. Yeah. That's why I was talking. Yeah. Yeah.
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No, this happened.
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It's not about who feels bad, who feels good. These are events that have actually taken place.
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So forget about all of the making people feel bad, which is a projection.
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You don't know that for certain.
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These things happen and they should be taught because they're academic.
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They're scholastic. They're a part of history and you can't teach history correctly,
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unless you include these guys.
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So no, we're doing a service.
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We are public service. There you go. We're doing a service by bringing these
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issues to the forefront, in my opinion.
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And the topics are just, at least for us, they're interesting.
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Correct. And as you point out, and it's funny because it happens like every
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week, you'll reach out and be like, hey man, did you listen to such and such?
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Like, nah. Man, they're talking about something we talked about eight weeks ago. Correct.
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Correct. So as you've said many a times before, we're definitely on the right course. Correct.
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Of the topics. Correct. But it's just...
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I can't stay away from the fact that just reading some of this stuff,
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just think like, oh, that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.
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But then think there's somebody at the back of the boat on a boat behind us
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that's saying he don't even belong there. Mm hmm.
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Why is he even there? Well, it's it's so interesting. Right.
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And and we don't even have to look far to see how these idiots are trying to
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remove black history today.
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Hey, how hex up is trying to demote or remove all the black generals,
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et cetera, et cetera, all of the military.
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Just to cover up. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, like it's not even far fetched.
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It's not even a conspiracy at this point because it's happening right in front of our eyes.
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And this is the exact same reason why Whipple and Cromwell are not mentioned
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in the history books today, because they want to mute the significance of black people, period.
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Just like the black inventor episode we did.
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All of these things happened. This should be general knowledge,
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but yet we have to go do deep dives. And they were called liars.
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Y'all want to have black people to everything. It's like, no,
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they were there. You took them out.
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Like the inventor that helped Thomas Edison and Alexander Graham Bell. Correct.
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Correct. Clearly, Thomas Edison and Alexander Graham Bell thought highly of
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them at the moment. Right.
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Of course, until the thing worked. And then they tried to take, yeah. Yeah.
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Oh, I did this. No, you didn't. Right. No, you didn't.
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No, you didn't. Now, I'm not saying you're not smart. Correct.
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We did this. Correct. We.
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That's it right there. We did. Give me my proper due. We did this.
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Because I'm not saying on a black podcast that the white man was dumb,
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because clearly Alexander Granbell and Thomas Edison were far from dumb. Yep.
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But everyone has someone. Correct. That they lean on and go,
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hey, let me bounce something off. Correct. Everyone contributed. Right. Yep. Yep.
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Let's get back to uh yeah because we can bear off yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so,
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i uh when i was doing i've i've man i'm all over the place but anyway the boston tea party.
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Was like one of the events that actually catapulted the revolutionary war i
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find the boston tea party interesting for two reasons.
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Actually, more than two reasons, but two reasons that I'll highlight.
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One is the protests. I'm using air quotes. The protests are,
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That the colonizers, I hate to use. No, I don't hate to use it anyway.
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The colonizers didn't want to pay taxes to the Brits for the tea.
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So what they did is some allegedly dressed up like Native Americans.
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Oh, no, that ain't no allegation.
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Dressed up like Native Americans and went and looted and destroyed.
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What would be today considered like over a million dollars worth of product? Mm-hmm.
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As a way to say, we're not paying taxes to the British.
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Everything about their actions back then would be considered treasonous or unpatriotic today.
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I find that so ironic, bro. Yeah.
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I mean, just. It's the reason the hesitation. There was such hesitation to put
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their names on the declaration because it was an act of treason. Right.
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So a lot of those guys didn't want to sign it because news flashed everybody.
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July 4th is not the day that Declaration of Independence was signed.
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Right. So that's why it took so long, I guess, a month later.
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But, yeah, people didn't. I mean, it's very it's very well known how many people
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were like, man, I'm signing that.
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But that's also why they dressed up like Indians to conceal their identities.
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Yeah. Guys like Sam Adams, because they didn't want to be identified as some
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of the people who were revolting against the government.
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So if we were to start revolting today, could we go and say, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
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But this is precedent since the Supreme Court. And now I'll get to them later in this podcast.
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But since the Supreme Court likes to always say precedent and the forefathers
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and the originalists, this is how they thought.
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Well, if protests was what they used as a mechanism to gain independence,
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then why can't we use those same measures today for liberation,
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for independence from what has become, in my opinion, a tyrannical government? Yes.
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As we just talked about. And look, I want to say this. I know we said we were
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going to focus on the Delaware. However, this is July 4th and this is the 250th
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anniversary. So nothing's off limits.
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No, it's all connected. Yeah.
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But I want to focus on something that I found very interesting.
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So throughout all of this, George Washington, there was a law in Pennsylvania.
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Pennsylvania passed a gradual abolition act. Gradual.
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Which I thought was hilarious. Which stated that if an out-of-state slave owner
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kept an enslaved person in Pennsylvania for more than six months,
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that person automatically became legally free.
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So you know what George Washington? used to do.
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Five months, three weeks, six days. Take him across the border for one night.
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Bring him back. Restart the clock. He was the president at the time. Restart the clock.
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Ain't that the trip?
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No, no, no. You're right. Because this is why I currently don't celebrate the 4th of July.
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I don't recognize it as being a national holiday because how can you celebrate
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independence when a lot of you guys owned slaves so he basically he actively subverted the law,
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while sitting in the presidential mansion he owned i think 123 slaves himself,
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there was a total of 300 361 or something like that on his plantation the rest
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of those slaves belonged to Martha's ex-husband.
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So they weren't his legally. They were hers. They were hers.
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They belonged to the estate. Interesting.
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Do you know how crazy it is we're talking? Like we're talking about that cup
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you're drinking from? We're talking about human beings. For sure. Property.
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Property. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
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It's sick, bro. He had a chef he called Hercules.
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He made the name. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's Hercules. Mm-hmm. Probably because he
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was strong as hell. Mm-hmm.
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You know, he probably could have just folded George Washington.
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Right. Granted, I understand George Washington was 6'2 and apparently built
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like a professional boxer.
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But the fact that he was the president and had all of these slaves on his estate,
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and is often celebrated for freeing, air quotation, slaves after he passed.
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And he didn't. No. He said in his final declaration, they are to be free when Martha dies.
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So check this out. are you familiar with the uh rumor about george washington's teeth oh yeah.
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For those who are not familiar with the rumor about george washington's teeth,
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what he was doing right because the the the story goes that he had incredibly
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bad teeth yeah one of his many ailments yeah so what he did,
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purportedly, allegedly.
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He would take the teeth from his slaves and have them constructed into dentures and put in his mouth.
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Now, hold on. Let me let me let me just get this one point off people that you
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think are less than, as you were just saying,
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people that you think are animals,
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because we know that they use they they used to say that all the time.
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But they're good enough for you to take their teeth? One that's disgusting as hell, but.
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It's nuts to me how on one hand you think that these people are nothing,
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but yet they're so useful to you in so many other ways.
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And it just shows the hypocrisy of it all.
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Are you familiar with Ona Judge? No.
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So Ona Judge was Martha Washington's personal maid.
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A black woman, I'm assuming. So in 1796, she found out she was going to be given away.
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Giving away as a wedding present to Martha's granddaughter. She was 22 years old at the time.
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So she walked out and escaped while the family was eating dinner one night.
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Rumors are George Washington was so angry that he used the power of the presidency,
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to put together a mob of people to travel to where she was and try to kidnap her. Wow.
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So before Trump, I want you to think of what the repercussions would have been,
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for something like that, for either Bush, Nixon, Carter, Obama, Clinton.
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They would have been out of office just like that.
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If someone found out, unless it was the FBI and the person's a criminal,
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which that's a whole different conversation nowadays as well, too. Right.
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But she was 22 years old.
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She was going to be given away as a Christmas present. You said property, bro.
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By this so-called great man. Right. Property.
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Oh, let's get back to the Delaware crossing real quick, because it wasn't just,
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troops that went across the Delaware.
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Just the troops in itself would have been an amazing feat to navigate that many
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boats through the icy river.
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But they were also transporting artillery, cannons, things of that nature.
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So that's also why they were able to surprise the British and basically turn
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the ties of the war because they show one, the British didn't expect them to
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show up when I think they showed up in the middle of the night,
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three o'clock in the morning.
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Yeah. And it was foggy. So it was like surprise.
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Yeah. And just started wreaking havoc. So, yeah, we would not have won the Revolutionary
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War without this diverse cast of characters who were instrumental.
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Not just in that but i also think if my my my memory serves me correctly,
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that they were there was there was an event that happened beforehand august
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yeah that they had they had to go exactly they had to go rescue some people
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because again they couldn't navigate the waters and they needed those fishermen
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to help navigate and get those troops.
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Correct to to that area to fight because they were basically boxed in.
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So, yeah, they were going to die. Yeah. They were literally cornered.
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Yeah. And what was his name?
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John Glover. John Glover, correct. He was the colonel.
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He brought them in to rescue George Washington. Correct. And his 9,000 students.
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Correct. Correct. They were goners. Yeah, they were dead. Like,
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British had them cornered in Brooklyn and there was no escape. Yeah, nowhere to go.
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Never heard of the Battle of Long Island. Mm-mm. No, I could be just because I didn't know.
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I knew about crossing the Delaware two months later. Correct.
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Why didn't I know about the Battle of Long Island? Correct. Correct.
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Because I'm sure now if they decide to start teaching it, it'll be he was cornered.
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Yeah. He fought his way out. Yeah. I'm sure he was fighting.
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Propaganda. Because he didn't want to die. Yeah.
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But he was a garner had he not been saved by the 14th Regiment.
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It doesn't fit the narrative, bro. Exactly. It doesn't fit.
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And that's what we mean to the audience.
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That's what we mean when we say teach history without an agenda.
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Just teach it the way that it happened. It's OK.
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We understand that people have flaws. We understand that people didn't always
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win because that's life.
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You don't always win. Let's stop trying to glorify these guys and put them on
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God status and just tell it like it is.
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And something we've neglected to say. We keep calling them the 14th Regiment,
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which they are, but they are the Marblehead Mariners. Correct. Correct.
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Because they were fishermen, basically. One of the craziest things about all
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of this, seven days later, six days later, they disbanded.
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They were gone. Back to their homes. Let's get in, handle our business,
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and go about our... Their contracts expired.
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Now, I want everyone listening to think about this. They saved the American
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Revolution in a matter of months. They saved America.
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They saved it.
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And they, I'm trying to figure out the best way to say this.
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They hated the way this country was so much that even after showing their worth,
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and the appreciation from George Washington to his credit, he wanted them to
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stay. He wanted to give them more contracts. Obviously, there was a hidden agenda somewhere.
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They looked at him and was like, nah, we out of here.
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Funny you say that. And they left. Funny you say that. And went back to poverty. Funny you say that.
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Was also not mentioned. Some former enslaved actually went and fought for the British. Yeah.
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Like, screw this because they were more accepting at that time.
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For those who don't know, America was the last.
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L-A-S-T last country to abolish slavery,
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so a lot of these guys were like hey i'm gonna go fight for them because at
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least over there i can be free,
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well here's the thing not to not to because the british made billions oh no,
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off the islands oh sure sure however this is the true definition of the lesser
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of two evils correct correct and to me this is the only time like when people
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say well I didn't vote it.
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I voted this way because it's the lesser of two evils. No, no, no, no, no.
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This truly is, damn, at least these motherfuckers not trying to still keep me
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enslaved. Correct. Correct. Boy, hell.
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And obviously, I know slavery is bad, but it ain't going to be as bad as I'm
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being treated like. Correct. Correct.
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Correct. It was the lesser of two evils. And again, I'm not trying to absolve Great Britain.
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I'm not trying to absolve them because in the islands, you're right.
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They made a shit ton of money off of slavery.
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They made a shit ton of money off of all of the minerals they stole out of Africa.
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Slavery, in my opinion, is the only reason that they're still powerful today.
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And America also. Yeah, well, yeah.
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We wouldn't be the captains of industry without slavery and all of the free labor.
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You know something I found interesting? And this might seem off subject, but not really.
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The dentures he wore was so uncomfortable that he was forced to keep his mouth
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shut and clench his jaws. To keep them in place?
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To keep them in place because he was in so much discomfort. Oh,
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wow. So this whole myth of the stern, serious, he couldn't open his mouth without
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his dentures flying out.
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So instead of being stoic, it was just a way to relieve the pain.
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He couldn't wait to get home. And take this shit out of his mouth.
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Yeah, it says...
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It says they were ill-fitted.
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And they forced his mouth shut.
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And to keep them from popping open, he had to clench his jaw constantly,
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which made him look stiff, stern, and uncommunicated.
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You know what I'm trying to say? Yeah, yeah. And it gave him a rigid aura,
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like, I'm the man. Yeah. I'm sure he wanted to smile and talk to you.
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But he couldn't. Right. Interesting.
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Perspective. When you put things in proper perspective, you get a whole different
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idea. And the crazy thing is this, too.
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I'm sure. And Shane Gillis did a skit on this, and it was funny as hell,
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where he talked about how the average person back then was five foot seven.
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And then you've got this six foot two redhead, which, by the way,
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everybody, George Washington was a redhead because that was a wig. Right.
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Six foot two redhead jumping out of the bushes, coming across the Delaware Christmas
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three in the morning with ice, sleet, rain, snow.
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Of course, they're going to be terrified of this dude.
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But the perspective, as you've said, he's regarded as just a stern leader and he had his flaws.
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Well, just like every other president has had their flaws, including the one
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on TV behind you. Sure. But what was on TV?
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But the truth is, his grill was just jacked up. Oh, man.
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What you call stern, stoic? No. His grill was just jacked up.
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He was in pain. Yeah. He did not want to be there. Yeah. Yeah.
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Interesting. All right, y'all. I hope we've educated you guys some on the Delaware
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crossing, the painting.
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Yeah. The black guy that's sitting there on the boat. That's not a mistake.
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It actually was a diverse cast of characters.
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And without this diverse cast of characters, we may still be under British rule,
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or it may have taken another hundred years or it may have taken another hundred years.
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Just something to think about. So with that being said, we're going to move
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right into our current events, which
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may be a continuation of this current conversation that we're having.
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So go ahead, my brother, if you got a current event.
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So, I was going to talk about not necessarily George Washington.
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I was actually going to talk about the ultimate American hypocrite. Okay.
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Mr. Thomas Jefferson. Okay. Give it to me.
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This is going to sound like I'm giving you two closing monologues.
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But I got some stuff I wrote down. Like the hit, hit go. Let it fly.
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So, since grade school, we're conditioned to revere this man as the architect
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of freedom. Mm-hmm. The guy who penned the words, all men are created equal.
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Sounds good. Poetic. Mm hmm. But if you pull back the curtain,
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the dissonance will make your head spin. Mm hmm.
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This is a man who enslaved 600 human beings over the course of his life. Mm hmm.
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He ran his finances on it as well. He didn't just participate.
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Everything he did was based on slavery.
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He fathered six children with Miss Sally Hemings. She was an enslaved woman in his household.
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Little side note about her that's going to mess you up when I'm done.
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Think about the gymnastics, the mental gymnastics. Your own flesh and blood,
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was your legal property.
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And he didn't treat them like they were children. He treated them like legal
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property. Oh, for sure. They could not claim them. Right.
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So he is notoriously, he notoriously gets a historical pass.
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They said, oh, he was just a man of his time. He knew exactly what he was doing.
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George Washington, as we mentioned before, for all his flaws,
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at least, and I can't believe I'm giving him credit for this,
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he left instructions to free the people upon his wife's death.
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When Jefferson died, he was drowning in debt from buying French wine and luxury
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goods that he only freed a tiny handful of people in his will,
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mostly members of the Hennings family.
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The rest were put on an auction block and sold off to pay his debts,
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three of those being his own damn children.
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When Jefferson drafted the Declaration of Independence, he actually wrote a
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168-word condemnation of the transatlantic slave trade.
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Most people don't realize that. He literally called it a cruel war against human nature itself.
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While owning slaves. While owning slaves, he blamed the King of England for
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forcing slavery onto the colonies.
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But when the Continental Congress sat down to review it, the delegates from
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Georgia and South Carolina threw a fit. Why?
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Oh, you know why. They wanted it out. And Northern merchants who built the ships
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for those damn routes, which we'll talk about that shit, too.
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That doesn't get talked about.
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Some of those damn ships were built here in New England to transport these slaves.
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We're like, we get taught, oh, they're all built in Africa. They are.
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No, no, no. We built those ships as well.
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He said, nah, we'll just go ahead and take this out when those different states complain. He folded.
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They struck 168 words from the document to keep the peace and protect the bottom line.
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Did you know that Sally Hemings was his wife's half sister?
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Hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it. How?
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I knew she was biracial, but so somebody, her father was white is what you're trying to say?
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Interesting, bro. Yeah. Interesting.
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Yeah. I'm going to verify it. I'm going to verify it. Yes. I just wanted to verify.
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They were half sisters. They shared the same father, a wealthy Virginia planter
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and slave trader named John Wells. Oh, wow.
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So Martha's mother, John Wells' first wife, was Martha Epps.
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They had Martha, who went on to marry Thomas Jefferson. Sally's mother,
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an enslaved woman named Betty Hemings, who was owned by John Wells.
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After his third wife died, Wells took Betty as his concubine.
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They had six children together. The youngest, Sally Hemings.
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So not only is Thomas Jefferson a piece of shit, his father,
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Martha's father was a piece of shit.
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A few things. Were you finished with that, by the way? A few things.
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I think it's so cowardice when people say he was a man of the times,
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basically meaning I'm not going to stand up for what's right because this is
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the way that things have always been.
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That's that's that's that's weak to me. That's so weak because,
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you know, right and wrong when you're that part living life.
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That's where that part of writing wrong. That part, that is such a weak excuse,
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to not change things because this is the way it's always been.
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Nah, blame it for that. That's whack.
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If you know something is wrong, stand up on it, call it out,
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point out that it's wrong.
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You may not be able to get the change immediately, but you may spark the next
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mind that gets the change.
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But you got to call these things out. You just can't say I accept it because
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that's the way it's always been. That's whack.
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Two things. And this is why I interrupted. And, you know, not as an insult.
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I wanted you to get to the three fifths clause when you were talking about Georgia. Mm hmm.
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Because what happened with the three fifths clause and that compromise that
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you were talking about, that led to the electoral college vote.
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So what am i trying to say here basically the compromise was the three-fifths
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clause slaves are three-fifths of a human that was so they couldn't have rights,
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but on the flip side of that,
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they wanted to be included or at least the leaders of georgia and what was the
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other South Carolina, South Carolina.
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What they wanted was those three fifths of a slave to be counted as part of
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the population, which would in turn give them more voting power,
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which is how you got the electoral.
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Because they didn't want them to succeed. They wanted to keep the 13 colonies
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together. So they folded on that.
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And this is how we got the electoral college that still exists today.
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And let's just make it plain. We wouldn't have fucking Donald Trump without the electoral college.
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Oh, he beat Kamala. Yeah, he did. But he didn't beat Hillary.
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The popular vote was what? A three million difference?
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He would not have been president the first time if we just went by the popular
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vote where every vote counts.
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We wouldn't have Trump and we wouldn't be in this situation that we are in today
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without the Electoral College.
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Don't tell me we don't need to get that shit off the books.
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It's done. It's over. It's outdated. And for those that say,
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well, he beat Kamala Harris in the popular vote recently.
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OK, fine. But he wouldn't have been running the second time. Correct.
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He wouldn't have even been on the ticket. Correct.
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Correct. And before him, who was the only president, like, won a popular vote in our lifetime?
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That's a Republican. I think Reagan did it once.
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And Bush did it because of after 9-11 and how he handled 9-11,
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which we now realize is a shitshow. Correct.
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Correct. Correct.
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That's all I got on that. You got anything in that? Nope. All right, cool.
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I want to talk about for my current event. The Supreme Court,
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because they're ending their recession,
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made some uh judgments on a few key issues,
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one being birthright citizenship which they upheld cool,
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no complaints about that even though it was 5-4 which means it's way closer
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than what it should be but no complaints because it upheld but the tps,
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the temporary protective status,
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only against Haitians and Syrians.
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This is crazy. Absolutely crazy that they are voting to get rid of TPS.
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Here's something that a lot of people probably don't know.
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Only reason the Louisiana Purchase happened is because of the Haitian Revolution.
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A large chunk of America would be French if it weren't for the Haitians.
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Man, what are you talking about? What do you mean? Well, I'm glad you asked.
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Haitian, the Haitian Revolution.
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They were successful in fighting the French. napoleon we don't want to be slaves
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anymore we're going to fight tooth and nail to be free,
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they beat the french so bad that napoleon was like hey you know what,
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y'all can have all of that land i don't even want that shit just give me some
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money get it off my hands That's how bad the Haitians beat Napoleon in the Haitian Revolution.
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And that's why we had the Louisiana purges, because they were so down in the
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dumps that he was just like, man, just take it.
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Give me some scratch and take it. I don't even want the land anymore.
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So a large portion of America, the United States, is due to the Haitians.
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The whole cats and dogs thing is an absolute lie.
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J.D. Vance admitted that he made it up.
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Go look up that interview. He admitted it. He was like, if we need to stretch
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the truth, we need to stretch the truth, which is amazing for him to say.
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We need the diversity here in America. All right.
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We need the temporary protective. status.
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It's not because people want to come here and have babies and get welfare.
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It's not that. That factory owner in Ohio said that they basically saved the
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town of Springfield. Yes, yeah, yeah.
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Because they came to work. They did the work. They went home.
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They kept his business thriving.
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It's nuts how racist and how feckless the Supreme Court Really is.
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A lot of these guys have temporary protective status because they're fleeing
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violence, which was a big thing in Haiti when the gangs took over and overthrew the government.
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The earthquakes that happened in Haiti that left a lot of people displaced.
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They needed to come here and they've been nothing but protect,
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not not protective, productive since they've come here.
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A lot of these people take care of your grandparents or your parents because
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they work in nursing homes.
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They are the ones who are shepherding your loved ones into the afterlife.
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Your racism and recognize how pivotal these people were to American history, American legacy,
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and just the continuation of that legacy today.
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Go ahead, my brother. So I want to add something to it. So this was 1804 with Napoleon.
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Although they gained, then I'll use air quotes, their freedom.
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The Western world stood up and said, nope.
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They were slapped. Even Great Britain stepped in and slapped an embargo on them.
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There you go. Nobody would trade with them. There you go.
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Which is why they're destitute to this day. Correct. So what they did,
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they didn't want, especially the United States, the example,
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They didn't want any of that information getting, you know, into the heads of
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black folks in the South.
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Creole. Where they could potentially revolt against what was going on as far as slavery goes.
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And then in 1825, which I didn't know about this, French King Charles sent a
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fleet of 14 warships and parked them off the coast of Haiti,
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Port-au-Prince, and aimed cannons at them.
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So they feared reinvasion.
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All of this time. And from what I can remember, all that money that they owed
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was just paid off recently. Mm-hmm.
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So it says for 120 years, 80 percent of Haiti's national budget went toward
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paying off this ransom instead of building schools, hospitals,
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roads and stable infrastructure.
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So for those who don't understand what I just said and can't comprehend what
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I just said, Haiti is the way it is now because the French have stolen from them for 120 years.
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They have been paying the French back. Speak on it.
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How can I say this where it makes sense? They are paying the French back.
42:58
Because they lost the ability to make money off slaves. Right.
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Right. For a hundred. Right. And no one stepped up and said in the 50s,
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in the 60s, in the 70s, hey, this is wrong. We should stop charging these black folk.
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It's reverse reparations, bro.
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A hundred. Bro, 80% of your national. But what do we do? They have an earthquake.
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They raise a bunch of money. Who's the first person we blame for the money being messed up?
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Why cleft jean but we don't talk about the fact that france should have been
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the first because in line.
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That's right giving that's right that's right,
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no you you are you are absolutely correct and i'm glad you brought up the fact that it's the embargo,
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which kept them as a third world nation because the rest of the world refused to trade with them,
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it was it was economic,
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Terrorism. I mean, I was trying to think of another word, but that's exactly
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what it was. It was economic terrorism.
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And here's the other part that people don't recognize.
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The Dominican Republic and Haiti are on the same island. It's the same landmass.
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But Spain had one side. Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Now, thank you. I will say this, as someone who's been to the Dominican
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Republic, I had a great time.
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Part of the reason with Haiti having such a big issue as well with weather and
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crops and everything, there's a big row of mountains that separates east from west.
44:43
But I want to talk about something else really quick. There are three words
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that we hear a lot nowadays. Right to exist.
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The only reason Haiti exists, they didn't have the right to exist. They paid to exist.
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France didn't think they had the right to exist. The United States didn't think
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they had it. Canada, all of these sovereign nations that we praise and love so much.
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Haiti had to pay just to exist.
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Interesting. I'm going to leave it there before I say something wrong.
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All right, cool. All right, y'all. That's my current event for this week.
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I'm telling you, it all ties in.
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It all ties in to 250. If you just look at it, connect the dots. It all ties in.
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We're going to transition now into our work, our rant about a random topic.
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And oh, my goodness.
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I am.
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I'm just. I'm trying to think how to be PC about this. I want to rant about 250.
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America's 250 celebration has taken place this weekend.
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I need someone to tell me how in the world do we take America's 250th.
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Birthday and turn it into a Trump rally?
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And I need someone to tell me how are so many people who claim to be patriots cool with that?
46:30
The reason the first settlers left England was because they did not want a monarchy.
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They did not want a pseudo king.
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How in the world do we allow this guy who doesn't deserve it,
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by the way? I mean, this is the most undeserving person in the history of the United States.
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And I know you might say that's hyperbolic.
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He so doesn't represent American values.
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How can you let our 250th celebration be about this clown?
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His rally, his speeches, the whole MMA fight a couple of weeks ago.
47:23
This is all about him. This has nothing to do with celebrating America.
47:30
It's all about him.
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We need to wake up and do better. We need to recognize Trump is not a king.
47:41
Trump does not represent America.
47:45
In my opinion, he's anti-America.
47:50
If you listen to the speech he gave the other day in regards to this gift from
47:57
Qatar, which just reeks of corruption.
48:00
He said america could not build the plane that he needed what boeing been building
48:09
that damn plane for decades what,
48:12
what so you're basically shitting on american workers,
48:18
he is the most unpatriotic president in our history,
48:24
wake up and recognize it guys he does not give a damn about America, he only uses it,
48:34
as his tool.
48:37
Get people on his side. That's part of the hustle.
48:41
Let me always invoke patriotism. Let me always talk about how much I love America.
48:48
But if you pay attention to his actions, he does not give a damn about America.
48:56
One other thing I want to talk about, and I should have talked about it in my.
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When they talk about people coming to America solely for the purpose of having
49:07
children, so their children would be citizens.
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And we spoke about this on the phone several times. A lot of these guys are
49:17
second, maybe even first generation born Americans.
49:23
Americans, a lot of their grandparents or parents came to America for the sole
49:30
purpose of having a kid here so their kids would be American citizens.
49:37
The hypocrisy knows no bounds. But here's something that a lot of people don't
49:42
know. How many Russian women?
49:46
That were linked directly to Trump, were coming to America and research this,
49:53
please Google it, whatever.
49:56
They were coming to America with the sole purpose of having children in America
50:03
so their kids would be citizens.
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The only difference is their skin pigmentation.
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It's the only difference. Listen to me. This isn't about birthright citizenship.
50:21
It's about racism. It's about skin color. It's about skin pigmentation.
50:29
If you're black or brown and you come here, they want you gone.
50:34
They don't want your kids to have birthright citizenship, even though.
50:40
The Constitution clearly states it. Clearly.
50:44
I mean, you don't have to do any type of interpretation. It clearly states it.
50:48
If you're born here, you're a citizen.
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When you're white, it's cool. When you're not white.
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Let's try and finagle. Let's try and find a reason. Let's try and do some phantom
51:03
interpretation and try and project something into the forefathers that they didn't mean.
51:09
That's not what they intended. How the hell do you know?
51:13
You can't talk to them. How do you know what they intended to say?
51:16
Well, according to Trump, you can. He did have a conversation with Teddy Roosevelt.
51:21
Yeah, he had a conversation with Roosevelt a couple days ago.
51:23
Again, invoke the 25th Amendment.
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That's my rock, bro. I'm just saying, 250 is not about Trump. All right, y'all.
51:33
America is America with or without Trump. And he's actually one of the biggest
51:38
stains on America in recent history. And just to add a couple of things to yours,
51:44
because I'm going to continue with the 250 conversation.
51:47
Do your research on Donald Trump. He's been a stain. He was a stain on the socialite
51:52
scene in New York City. They hated him.
51:54
They hated him, which is why he left New York City. built mar-a-lago,
51:58
and started navigating towards being friends with bill and hillary clinton back
52:01
in the day right socialites rejected right they thought he was a clown he wanted
52:05
validation yeah he wanted validation correct so getting there with politicians
52:09
will give you the validation by the way,
52:12
that plane that americans couldn't build for him was built in everard washington
52:15
in 2012 and delivered to cutter so they can,
52:22
then do what they wanted to do with it so i'm going to stay with the America 250 stuff.
52:28
So, as I mentioned before we started, it was 2016 Congress put together a bipartisan bill for.
52:35
$150 million in taxpayer funds to be allocated to America 250, not Freedom 250. So,
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The America 250 was promised $100 million of that pool to fund local and national events.
52:54
But the administration choked the funding off and it only received $25 million,
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which is why you don't see all of these grand celebrations across the country,
53:05
because he siphoned $75 million from it.
53:10
So what did he do? He created Freedom 250 LLC, basically another slush fund.
53:16
And guess what he did he put it under the national park foundation oh wow so
53:20
now he can do whatever the hell he wants to with right he's a con man he's always been always been,
53:28
i do not have tds neither do you no one does it's a made up.
53:37
Say it say it it's made up,
53:42
if trump was some dude i live next door to doing this shit i'd scream it from the rooftops too like yo,
53:49
quit giving this dude money facts he's a grifter facts what do we do with grifters
53:54
in this country we put them in jail,
53:56
there you go we have tons of examples black white correct Republican,
54:02
Democrat, you go to jail. Correct.
54:06
But with him, oh, man, he's so smart. No, he's not. Mr. Art of the Deal. No, he's not.
54:11
Go back and look at the person and look at interviews from the person that helped
54:15
write Art of the Deal. There you go. Right there. Say that again, bro. He himself.
54:19
Oh, well, he didn't write Art of the Deal. Thank you. Say that.
54:23
He didn't write Art of the Deal.
54:25
That guy 30 years ago said the dude was a kind man.
54:31
Which, for those that don't know, kind is short for confidence.
54:34
It makes more sense when you think of it that way because no one is more confident,
54:40
in their flaws than Donald Trump correct.
54:43
That man could brush his teeth and one of his teeth will fall out and he'll
54:46
go this is the best set of teeth,
54:48
correct ever and he would walk out on stage and you idiots and knock one of
54:53
your goddamn teeth out your mouth because he's doing you want to talk about derangement.
55:01
Correct. Come on, man. Y'all have derangement. Correct. Correct.
55:05
I don't have derangement. Correct.
55:07
Looking up facts and reporting what I know. Come on, man.
55:12
Bro, you know, as well as I do, I'm 50. I've disliked this man since we were teenagers.
55:18
I have family and friends that can point to as many times as I said,
55:22
I can't stand this dude as a teenager, as a 20-something, a 30-something, and a 40-something.
55:29
He's a con man. He's a grifter.
55:31
There's tape of Martha Stewart forgetting that she was on national TV once and
55:37
almost cussed his ass out.
55:39
His own niece talks about how much he's nothing but a grifter and how this whole thing is about,
55:51
the fact that his father mistreated him when he was a child.
55:56
His mother and father mistreated him when he was a child.
55:58
You know who else knows that he's a grifter?
56:01
Him. Correct. He laughs every single night. Correct. Make no mistakes about it, people.
56:09
When he acts like he's serious on TV, I don't doubt that there are some things that piss him off.
56:14
You know, they shouldn't be treating America this way or we should be doing this that way.
56:20
I don't doubt that he's literally thinking, well, I'm the president.
56:23
I'm supposed to talk about these things.
56:26
But trust and believe no one has taken advantage more since the slave days of
56:32
the presidential mansion than he has.
56:36
Evidenced by the $2.2 billion.
56:40
Or if you have this downloaded on your phone, go to Google Earth and type in
56:45
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
56:48
Look at it now and then pull up Google again and look at it four years ago and
56:54
tell me he's not the biggest grifter.
56:57
He's tearing down a house that is not seen this much construction since the Great Fire.
57:04
It's insane. Here's my issue with that, bro.
57:09
It's not your house. You don't own it.
57:15
You are a temporary. Exactly.
57:18
Go do all of that shit down at Mar-a-Lago. No one will give a damn.
57:23
I wouldn't care at all. The White House is not yours. That's the people's house. You don't own it.
57:30
You're a temporary resident. You don't have the authority to knock down this,
57:34
to knock down that, to replace the stall.
57:37
You don't. That's not yours, bro.
57:40
Bro, you could put a basketball court, an NBA regulation basketball court in
57:44
this ballroom that he's trying to build.
57:45
It's nuts. What is it, 96 feet? Yeah.
57:49
That water seal is going to be like 80 feet tall, too. That will not be finished
57:54
by the time his second term is up.
57:56
It'll never get finished because the second person will come and tear it down.
57:59
So you're never going to get to enjoy it.
58:02
So again, what is it actually for? You and I will be, realistically,
58:08
you and I will be 65 years old by the time the East Wing is rebuilt. It's nuts, bro.
58:13
It's absolutely nuts. But let me piggyback on your Trump derangement syndrome
58:20
thing that he's trying to get made an actual illness. We should buy a T-shirt.
58:25
We just make t-shirts. I have TDS.
58:28
I'd wear it every day. See how much money I can make. Yeah, I'd wear it every day.
58:33
Here's something that I find hilarious. And you know, I'm a health guy.
58:39
I'm clearly not. You won't.
58:45
I had two slices of pizza before I got here. You want me to believe this 80-year-old
58:51
man who never works out, who eats unhealthy stuff,
58:57
Who you said a couple of episodes ago had 22 doctors.
59:03
Check him out, which is a medical convention. That was a bar.
59:07
You want me to believe that this guy is the picture of hell? How?
59:12
How? A guy who can't even stand up straight.
59:17
A guy who falls asleep every time he's in a meeting.
59:22
This is the picture of hell? Knock it off. You know the issue I have overall?
59:28
As you said earlier, we've got to call a spade a spade. I think you said that
59:31
earlier. If I didn't, it's still true.
59:35
As much as I dislike the guy, as a human being, to hell with the presidency,
59:39
as a human being, I think he's just the worst of the worst.
59:44
He's 80. Uh-huh. He's supposed to have failing health.
59:48
Thank you. He's supposed to have trouble staying awake. Sure.
59:51
He's supposed to have trouble staying awake.
59:53
I sympathize because I feel it.
59:57
No. Facts. Hey, I can sleep too, brother. Facts. But when we act like he's not 80. Right.
1:00:05
When you try to make excuses of him dozing off. Correct.
1:00:09
Hey, y'all, he's supposed to be dozing off. Right. Like, it's normal.
1:00:14
But y'all want to act like.
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It's not happening. Like it's not happening. Yeah. Well, some people say he
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wears diapers. No, he doesn't.
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Hey, y'all, he's 80. Right.
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If he's wearing diapers, it's normal. It's understandable. Well, yeah, better word.
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It's understandable. Correct.
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I'm not going to say no president. Actually, yes, I am, because he shouldn't
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be that damn old in office anyway. There you go.
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But it's all right. Look how big his ankles are.
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I see plenty of 60, 70-year-olds with ankles that big, right?
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So I sound like I'm sympathizing with him. It's because I am. He's 80. Correct.
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But I'm not blind. I wear glasses, but I'm not blind. Correct.
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I understand that these things are supposed to happen. Because you're 80. Because you're 80. Yep.
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But you're sitting here telling me that I'm supposed to believe that if this
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man decides to eat McDonald's for the next 30 days and eat a Big Mac value meal
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with a large coat, that he's still going to be fine?
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No, he will not. Right. He will be 15 pounds heavier and in a lot of distress. Right.
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Quit telling me that what I'm seeing is not what I'm seeing.
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That part, which is the real Trump derangement syndrome. Right.
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I'm going to excuse everything rather than just look and go,
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like, you can still support the man that sit at home and go,
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man, what the hell is he doing? You know.
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Wouldn't even be such an issue if they didn't like,
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elevate it to the 10th degree with bite like something or oh or they underbyte
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they well yes yes but that that's a whole nother issue as far as uh don and uh eric are concerned,
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but yeah you know just just the fact that they they tried to put such emphasis on joe biden's health,
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and and he's not mentally capable anymore,
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But you totally ignore all of the warning signs for Trump.
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That's the part that is that's that's that's just like, no, you have derangement syndrome.
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You're telling all of us to ignore what we see, what we can interpret.
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And look, I'm not a doctor, so I don't I don't want to diagnose this man.
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But I can still see when something's wrong. I can still look and go.
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Yeah, that guy don't look healthy.
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And I don't have to be a doctor to make that determination. And again,
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at 80, you're expecting him to have some ailments.
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I get my father, 77 years old.
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When I see my father, there are parts of me that cringe. And it's not because,
1:02:58
but I go, damn, daddy. Yep.
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The older I get, the older he's getting. Yep.
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Yep. You forget that sometimes. Yep. My pops didn't even make it to 80, bro.
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We're too led to believe that you and I have this derangement syndrome. Correct.
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Because we won't just fold and go along with. Correct. Correct.
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It's amazing, bro. Speak out. Mom's birthday.
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It was last week, bro. Thank you. Thank you for saying that. My mom's turned 86, bro.
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86. God bless her soul. Yes, indeed.
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Great woman. Always has been. God bless her soul. 86, man. And,
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yeah, my pops died in 2010.
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So, yeah, God bless her. God bless her. And I told her the other day,
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I said, you know, everyone is special at this point.
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Everyone. So, you know, both of my grandmothers lived well into their 90s.
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Neither one of my grandfathers made it to that age. They both died in their 70s.
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So, yeah, what we were just saying, bro, he's 80. Yeah.
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Yeah. He's 80. There's there's there's health risks expected at this point.
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You know what I'm saying? There's there's not not not saying you should just throw in the towel.
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But again, if you do have ailments, you're 80.
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We get it. What Chris Rock say on that one special, they died because they were old.
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It's just a thing i remember when they reported he snapped on the netanyahu,
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i understand why i thought about that and i was like he's 80 he's tired right,
1:04:45
he's crabby he's crabby yeah he turns on the tv and he sees that you bombed
1:04:49
something yes he's going to cuss you out,
1:04:53
And they're like, and I saw a lot of people talking about he's losing it. No, he's just 80.
1:04:59
Yeah. And may be losing it.
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But it's because he's 80. It's because he's 80. Yeah. That is the only time
1:05:06
you will ever hear me sympathize with this man. Yeah. I get it. Yeah.
1:05:10
And the only reason he hasn't himself stepped away from presidency is because
1:05:15
he doesn't want to be considered a quitter.
1:05:18
And because he's making a whole lot of money. he has created generational wealth. For sure.
1:05:24
For at least the next 200 years. Dude, they say Barron's a billionaire. From what?
1:05:34
With all of that being said, y'all, I'm just saying if you have to be 45 to
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be president, I think it's 45, 46, 46.
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If you have to be 46 to be president, if there's an age determination for one
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way, there has to be an age determination for the other way. That's all I'm saying.
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At some point, you have to say you're too old to do the job.
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I can't do this. Let me get the hell out of here. Let me let me go to Florida
1:06:04
and chill is just that simple. The most important job in America should not,
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the world in the world. Thank you.
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Should not be entrusted to someone who's not in their right mental capacity.
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That's all we're saying. Or a con man or a con man.
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All right, y'all. That's all right. And with that being said,
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because I'm sure we ran over time, we're going to move right into our five on
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the black hand side movie review, which is Posse.
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Movie starring Mario Van Peebles, Big Daddy Kane, which is my favorite rapper.
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Sally Richardson Whitfield, Blair Underwood, Tiny Lester, Tone Loke,
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Stephen Baldwin and a host of cameos.
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This movie was released in 1993 it's about black cowboys,
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which a lot of people don't recognize that yes there were black cowboys in fact
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one out of every three cowboys were black another thing that does not get mentioned in history books,
1:07:17
with that being said my brother take it away so I want to add a couple of people,
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we can't forget Pam Greer Pam Greer yep Isaac Hayes. Isaac Hayes, yep.
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Nipsey Russell. Nipsey Russell, yep. Which I forgot about. And Woody Stroll
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as the old storyteller. And,
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Mario Van Peebles Pop. Yeah. Melvin Van Peebles. All right, my brother,
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take it away. That's Papa Joe. That's Papa Joe.
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And we can't, man, we got him, Mitch.
1:07:45
Billy Zane played the hell out of Mr. Kerry. I hated him. You know what, bro? Look, he did.
1:07:53
I didn't even want to mention Stephen Baldwin, but I'm like,
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but damn, he was integral. Oh,
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yeah. They back in those times.
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Like, they played those roles. Right. going back to usual suspect,
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well, later usual suspect, but they just when they were in the movie,
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if you saw Baldwin was playing them, you were like, oh, this is about to be
1:08:14
good, because they go all in.
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For sure. Some of them crazy as hell now. For sure.
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He is himself. Stephen Baldwin is going way off the deep end.
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He's way out there. Yeah.
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So we'll do something a little different because the synopsis of this movie
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is actually broken down into three acts.
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So it's the story's what, 1898 during the Spanish-American War in Cuba,
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a decorated infantry of Buffalo soldiers led by the quiet, sharpshooter Jesse
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Lee, who was forced into the military, is tasked with a dangerous off-the-books
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mission by their sadistic gold-obsessed commander, played by Billy Zane, Colonel Graham.
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The mission sees a massive cache of Spanish gold.
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Jesse and his crew pull off the heist, but quickly realize Graham has zero intention
1:09:01
of letting them lead the jungle alive.
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Graham orders his men to execute the unit to cover his tracks.
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In a chaotic, bloody firefight that follows, Jesse shoots Graham in the eye, which is why he...
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Where's the eye patch? Yep. And the surviving soldiers, the wildcard gambler,
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Lil' J, the slick marksman, Father Time, the muscle, a bobo,
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the scout angel, and the fast-talking wheezy. Mm-hmm.
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Flee the island by ship, take a massive crate of the gold with them. Yep. So...
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I don't want this to sound like a diss.
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I like this movie. I like Mario Van Peebles. What I didn't like,
1:09:48
is and this is sort of like the quentin tarantino effect he had to be the one
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to kill everybody i'm like nobody else guns work in this movie,
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he killed everybody bro and i'm just like bro,
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i get it you wrote the movie i get it you directed the movie i get it this is
1:10:08
your movie but i'm like god damn jesse lee is superman in this movie he sure
1:10:13
the hell did he killed everyone bro,
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So that's my only critique.
1:10:19
Other than that, I like this movie a lot because it did bring to the forefront
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the fact that black cowboys did exist and black cowboys are often overlooked in history.
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Just like we were talking about the Delaware.
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You know what I'm saying? The whole bull riding and all of that stuff that you see at rodeos.
1:10:43
Black cowboys were instrumental. And all of that kind of stuff is why the Black
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Rodeo in Houston every year.
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There you go. So instrumental.
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There you go. There you go. But, you know, they they always try and make it
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seem like black cowboys didn't exist. But, yeah, black people were right there mixed up in that fray.
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As you were saying, the town folk, Freemanville, Freemanville.
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That's where you seen all of your who's who of black stars that's where you
1:11:18
seen pam greer isaac hayes the nipsey russell they were all the town folk how dare you,
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not mention sally richardson first we'll get to her.
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We'll get to her um blair underwood the sheriff the sheriff carver,
1:11:42
The turncoat. Was he a... The turncoat lawman?
1:11:47
Gosh, man. I mean, like, yes, watching the movie, you kind of think that he's the sellout.
1:11:54
But at the same time, like, yeah. Hey, I'm just trying to...
1:12:00
I'm trying to get this money.
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You know? And I mean, don't get me wrong. All money ain't good money. Right.
1:12:08
But I also get him being like a businessman and forward thinking and like,
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hey, I'm just trying to better the community.
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This will help us all in the end.
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Now, was he being duped? Probably.
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But I get his motivations. You know what I'm saying? And by the way,
1:12:26
Blair Underwood is a vampire.
1:12:29
He's still, man, brother still, him? That brother looks great.
1:12:32
So, and Rob Lowe, we always mention. Rob Lowe, yes.
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And Paul Rudd. Paul Rudd. I saw somebody post, they said, in a few years,
1:12:43
it was a scene from, I don't even know what movie it was, but it was Selena Gomez and Paul Rudd.
1:12:47
And the first comment was, in a few years, Paul Rudd will be young enough to
1:12:52
play Selena Gomez's son in the movie. And I laugh because.
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But it's true. I was like, this dude is.
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Dude, we're 50. He's at least 56, 57. Yeah.
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Because, shit, he was a teenager in the mid-80s. Facts.
1:13:08
Bro, and don't get me wrong. You can see. Yeah, the aging. Some aging on Blair Underwood.
1:13:16
But look, if you go watch Crush Groove that came out in the 80s and look at
1:13:22
Blair Underwood today, you're going, man, there's absolutely no way this dude
1:13:28
is damn near 70 years old.
1:13:30
But he is. When I saw him in Tyler Perry's movie, that's the first time I had
1:13:35
seen him in a movie in a little while.
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I remember going, that brother still look like he bought 20 cents.
1:13:40
It don't make sense, bro. And he had to be in his mid-30s or late 30s at that
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time. It does not make sense.
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And look, I'm not crazy.
1:13:49
Sure, he's using dye in the hair like Lionel Richie.
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But you can still look at Lionel Richie and go, OK, even though your hair is
1:13:58
jet black, your mustache is jet black, we can still see the wrinkles on your face, bro.
1:14:03
You sure? After all that crap he done had done in his eyes. You right. You right.
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But Blair, there's like no wrinkles on this dude's face. Yeah.
1:14:13
Nuts it's nuts anyway to get back to the movie so i want to talk about something
1:14:17
really quick yeah so the revisionist history debate,
1:14:21
i didn't realize until like we were since you because hell we just talked about
1:14:25
this what thursday about posse,
1:14:29
like there were people mad when this came out of course social media didn't
1:14:33
exist back in 93 with the cards that they used erasing you know saying that
1:14:38
black cowboys were erased yeah apparently movie critics lost their minds really about that.
1:14:44
Really? Siskel and Ebert even said something about he was over-directing everything,
1:14:50
and they said that they felt the aesthetic of the movie ruined the traditional Western.
1:14:57
In what way? My point exactly. They never...
1:15:03
If that cast was all white... No one would care. No one would care.
1:15:07
You know the crazy thing is?
1:15:09
I think that he put Stephen Baldwin in that movie.
1:15:12
To make a point to make a point so people wouldn't,
1:15:16
go crazy at an all-black cast interesting and of course they did anyway yeah
1:15:21
interesting okay my brother now you can have the floor and you can talk about
1:15:25
sally uh ridgis and whitfield i just want to say bro oh boy gonna whip your ass though,
1:15:31
don drake don drake gonna have some beef with you man all right go ahead bro
1:15:35
let me tell you something I don't remember what it was. Of course I should.
1:15:41
Do you know the first time I saw her on TV, I stopped dead in my tracks?
1:15:46
I think I was walking by the TV. I stopped.
1:15:50
And since that day, every time I see her, I stopped in my tracks.
1:15:55
That woman is, especially in this movie, it was perfect.
1:16:01
And she wasn't no punk in this movie. Oh, no. At all. Oh, no.
1:16:05
I mean, she defended Freemanville against the towns, you know,
1:16:09
over the years and whatever.
1:16:12
But there's only so much I'm going to mention about her. I mean,
1:16:15
you know, I'm sure a kid or something will listen to this one.
1:16:17
Sure, sure, sure, sure. But overall, she just bad.
1:16:23
So wasn't she supposed to be biracial in this movie, which she's biracial in
1:16:28
real life, but because Pops was her father. Right.
1:16:33
But even though they didn't show her mother, it was mentioned that her mother
1:16:38
was actually like Native Americans. Yes.
1:16:40
So, again, another thing that's often left out of history is the coalition between,
1:16:49
former enslaved black Americans.
1:16:53
And the native indigenous communities, you know.
1:16:57
So, I mean, and you see a lot of people say a lot of Indians,
1:17:01
some Indians were black.
1:17:03
Yes and no. You know, yes, because there was a lot of mixing.
1:17:08
But no, because a lot of them won't claim that they were black.
1:17:14
If you go try and get some land on one of these reservations,
1:17:17
they're going to tell you to kick rocks.
1:17:19
You'll be like, bro, get out of here. Absolutely not. And that's a whole nother conversation,
1:17:23
like the way that the transatlantic slave trade affected so many different areas
1:17:29
of the world that even people who are clearly black just won't acknowledge it. Correct.
1:17:36
It's like half of your country look like Wesley Snipes. Say that.
1:17:42
But because you are light skinned.
1:17:46
Like me sitting here. No, no, you're right, bro. Like me sitting here telling
1:17:51
you, now obviously we've known each other basically our whole lives,
1:17:53
but my father is your complexion. Correct.
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And if I sat here and said, I ain't black, you don't black, man,
1:17:59
get the hell out of my house. Facts.
1:18:02
You seen your great-grandparents. Well, no, I'm not black.
1:18:06
And I'm only picking on Dominicans because there's a lot of stuff online with
1:18:10
a lot of Dominicans. Facts. Facts. You're like, no, I ain't black.
1:18:13
Yeah, you are. Yeah, you are. Yeah. Tito Trinidad.
1:18:16
Yeah. Even though he's not a Dominican, but Tito Trinidad. Right.
1:18:19
Like, yeah, you are, brother. Yeah.
1:18:21
Because we can look back two generations and see who your great-grandfather
1:18:26
was or whatever. Yeah. Yes, you are.
1:18:30
If the Klan rolled up today. You black.
1:18:33
You getting hung with the rest of us, homie. No, I'm Latino.
1:18:36
I don't care what you are.
1:18:38
Yeah. Get this rope. Yeah. I don't care what you are. Yeah. You don't look like me. Yeah.
1:18:43
Yeah. Yeah. You getting hung with the rest of us. No, you are 100% correct in that.
1:18:49
So, real quick, they had a production budget on this movie of $3.5 million. Mm-hmm.
1:18:54
Opening weekend, they made $5.3 million. Total domestic here in the States, $18.2 million. Okay.
1:19:00
Worldwide, $20.2 million. So, it tripled its money.
1:19:05
$3.5 million. Fantastic.
1:19:08
Think about that time. I mean, Loke, Tone Loke, and Big Daddy Kane.
1:19:12
Some of the biggest rappers in
1:19:13
the world. You're not paying them a bunch because they're rappers. Yeah.
1:19:17
They were like, yeah. Which, by the way, Big Daddy Kane did an amazing job.
1:19:21
This might have been their acting debuts, right?
1:19:24
Big Daddy Kane and Tone Loke? They Tone Loke it was, for sure.
1:19:27
Tone Loke was in, well, what month did this come out? Because he was in Poetic
1:19:33
Justice. He was in Poetic Justice and Ace Ventura.
1:19:36
Shit, yeah, Ace Ventura. Yeah.
1:19:39
Daddy Kane yeah it had to be yeah yeah yeah I'm pretty sure this was Big Daddy
1:19:44
Kane's acting debut um but he did he did do a hell of a job in this movie though yeah smooth,
1:19:50
as Big Daddy I was about to say well yeah that's right right what else what
1:19:54
else can Big Daddy Kane be so one of the crazy things I did see about Tone Low let me uh,
1:20:01
let me find it so I guess they had to hire a personal Handler for Tone Low. Really?
1:20:08
They say dude used to wander off set, get distracted, not pay attention. Really? Yeah.
1:20:14
Just out there. Yeah. They had to bring somebody whose sole job was to follow
1:20:19
him around between setups to keep him from wandering off set and doing something different.
1:20:24
I've been holding off on this the whole time we've been having this conversation.
1:20:28
I was waiting to see if you were going to bring it up.
1:20:31
There's a cameo that we did not mention.
1:20:34
Well, hold on. Hold it and wait to mention.
1:20:41
Let me know when you give up.
1:20:44
What Robert Hooks? Mm-mm. Shoot. It's a black cameo.
1:20:50
Who? Vesta. Who? Vesta. Vesta Williams. Oh, the singer. The singer.
1:20:56
Correct. God bless her soul.
1:20:59
Yeah, we didn't mention Vesta, bro. I was holding off.
1:21:04
She sure was. Yeah, Vesta also made a cameo in this movie.
1:21:08
Yeah, if you guys don't know, look up Congratulations and all of that.
1:21:12
First she was Vesta Williams and then she became just Vesta.
1:21:16
And I think her daughter performs now, if I'm not mistaken. But yeah,
1:21:21
great talent, legendary voice.
1:21:24
Vesta Williams also had a cameo in this movie.
1:21:28
She was a tiny Lister's love interest, if you can call it that.
1:21:34
But yeah, I like the highlight of the black cowboy in this movie.
1:21:41
I like the camaraderie between the posse group in the movie.
1:21:49
I I I like the fact that they were accepting of Stephen Baldwin and you know
1:21:53
he he was just one of the one of the brothers man you one of the crew yeah yeah
1:21:57
yeah he was just one of the brothers come on bro with us you know and uh you
1:22:01
know they they did him bad because he was a race traitor,
1:22:04
but he was still down he was definitely be an ally.
1:22:09
I loved Freedom Land being sort of like a Rosewood or a Tulsa before its time.
1:22:17
You know what I'm saying? A Black thriving community. So you know what it was based on?
1:22:22
The Black community in Bowley, Oklahoma.
1:22:25
I'm not up on that. It was based on that. Because the actual co-screenwriter,
1:22:30
Cy Richardson, that story... Wait, wait, wait.
1:22:34
The actor, Cy Richardson? yeah he co-wrote this yeah well he co-wrote the he
1:22:40
was a screenwriter I didn't know that bro Mario Van Peoples.