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Red Rock West vs Stolen · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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  Oh, God. Oh, my God.
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  What are you drinking?
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  Camden Hell's Lager.
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  I guess I guess it doesn't translate over to the US.
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  Oh, we have lagers here.
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  Bloody light, light bears, you pussies.
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  Everything's fucking light, you fucking nancy pantsy fairies.
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  Can't help it.
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  Our country was founded by a bunch of fucking Quakers.
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  They're afraid to dance. That's true.
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  If it's more than three point five, we don't want to know.
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  That's why. That's why.
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  All right. It's working now.
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  I'm going to go turn off the heat in my house and then then we're good to go.
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  Yeah, this podcast is hot enough as it is, whoo,
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  especially once we get this shit up on Pornhub.
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  What? Yeah, that's the thing.
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  That's the thing we're doing.
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  Oh, yeah, I'm I'm going to be uploading all of our episodes onto Pornhub,
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  similar to like YouTube, but amazing.
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  I started the account and I've already got like five subscribers
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  before even putting anything up.
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  That is the weirdest thing, seen as we have no subscribers on YouTube. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I think they just want me to resubscribe back to them.
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  I don't know, which I totally will.
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  I think I think Cage match would follow anybody willing to have 13 YouTube
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  subscribers. Oh, shit. Look at that. All right.
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  You got to try these things.
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  We keep we keep tempting fight on getting to for you that we guess
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  we keep saying to people, we'll get set up and only fans.
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  I don't know what it would be, but.
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  It doesn't need to be much, you know, they know what they're getting.
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  Yeah, shirtless episodes.
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  Just just the video of us, us, our tops off.
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  Or you do what we do, just do bottomless episodes, but record it.
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  But, you know, you have a table. Yeah.
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  I'm bottomless right now.
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  Fantastic. We knew you fit in.
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  You guys feel in a strong way about either of these.
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  I told them, Petrus, that you said that you're a stolen apologist
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  and that you have a video essay about Red Rock West.
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  So it's a perfect fit.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I'm a I am a I'm a star.
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  Look, I watched it.
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  I was like, you know, still still like it despite it being shit.
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  It's still good. It's a solid little film.
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  And then, yeah, Red Rock West, I think is, yeah, is great.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I think it would be on the U.S.
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  release that's coming out next year because it's like quite hard to get on
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  Blu Ray out there. Is that very hard?
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  We're just talking about that.
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  Yeah. It's a gaping hole in my collection right now
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  because the people who put out the UK Blu Ray who commissioned me to do the
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  video essay like said that like someone from the U.S.
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  is looking to license it, like license the special features as well.
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  So like I think that is because just had a release in Australia as well.
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  So there's hope at least.
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  Who knows? Maybe it'll be a shout or something.
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  They're always doing speak of Australians.
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  I was trying to remember it in a stolen like there was one guy who was like,
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  oh, God, that's the worst stereotype ever.
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  Weirdly, it was the Australian guy.
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  It was the Australian. Oh, the she was a.
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  Oh, yeah. She's pregnant.
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  Hey, yeah, not the best.
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  Look, he just wanted to get his knob wet or whatever he said.
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  We know the lingo.
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  Yeah, that pregnant puss. Yeah.
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  That that that's it.
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  That scene he like says on the phone like, oh, I need to get off the phone,
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  mate, because this cab drivers about to fly a wobbly and then persists to like
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  talk to him. I got to tell you about the Sheila from last night, the Pregas one.
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  It's like, what are you doing?
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  You're fucking maniac.
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  I got a good question.
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  What does he mean there?
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  What's firing a warbly or whatever that these are?
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  These are things that don't translate like even more so than like beer with alcohol
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  content. So that that is throwing a wobbly is like just fucking losing your shit.
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  Basically, but in like a polite way to.
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  Yeah, I mean, for a wobbly like he just got pissed off.
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  Oh, yeah. So he read the situation incredibly accurately because Vince did
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  fire a wobbly.
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  He sure she fucking does.
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  Yeah, he wobbles the shit out of that, dude.
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  You think they could have maybe had some connection there because Vince goes on
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  this whole rant about how just prisoners were sent here.
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  It's like, are you guys going to talk about that?
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  Yeah, that is true.
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  That is true. That is true. The five pound five pound bombs.
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  Yeah, yeah. He did have a lot like on his mind.
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  He had some pressing shit going on.
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  I can understand like maybe a rain check, but you know, he could have got him a
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  Foster's that would have I would have smoothed the whole thing over.
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  It is Australian for beer brewed in Germany, baby.
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  In the dumbest big cans ever.
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  I remember the first time I was a kid and I saw one of those and I tried to pick it
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  up and I was like, this cans enormous.
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  It's just a lot of garbage beer.
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  Speaking of maximize.
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  Speaking of ruining the illusion, welcome back to cage match.
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  We're calling around about meeting Nicholas Gage.
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  That's us. We're a podcast.
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  Yep. I'm your host, Sean.
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  Here with my co-host Nick and our producer, Nick Peter.
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  Hello. And we are having we are we are professionals at this.
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  We do this a lot and we're good at it.
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  Right. And we're joined by one of the originators of cage match or a cage match
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  of Nick cage podcasts Petros of the caged in Coppola connections and new project
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  getting to foe you.
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  Yeah, that's me.
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  That's me. I'm I'm mentally insane as if Nicholas cage of his 105 credits wasn't
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  enough. I now do a podcast all about William Defoe.
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  That's like 147 credits.
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  Yes, please.
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  I had no clue. He was in that many flicks.
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  That's intense. When we started the podcast.
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  There was enough film.
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  So we do it like season by season basis 10 films and there were enough films in his
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  life up and coming to fill a whole season and it was just like what the fuck are we
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  doing? Like I think this man this man's in his I don't know.
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  He's like in his 60s, but I don't think he's got any signs of stopping like him and
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  Nick cage of the two guys. It's like, oh, any given week is like they're in a new
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  project or like, you know, they're like kind of they've signed on to 10 films, even
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  though that might change with cage.
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  He says we only got like three or four left and he's got a television.
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  Yeah, I am skeptical on the entire thing.
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  You figure someone rolls out another five million bucks or so.
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  It's like hard to turn that shit down.
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  I have a theory about the about the prestige TV like projects he wants to do.
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  I think he's been trying to do that for a while.
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  I think things like Primal are like they're meant to be pilots, hence the very low CG
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  budget primal is perfect.
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  I don't know why you chose that one.
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  Even stolen has like some like this.
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  This could have been like a serialized thing.
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  Yeah, maybe speaking of which this week we were talking about stolen and Red Rock West.
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  And what do we do on this podcast?
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  John, we watched two Nicolas Cage films and we decide which one's the Cajest in a
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  bracket style situation where eventually we'll all go insane.
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  I thought we just argued over dick jokes.
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  We do that as well.
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  Okay, but we will decide what cages ultimate cagey film is based on our opinions,
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  which change episode by episode.
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  So you don't need to go back and listen to the older episodes if you don't want to.
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  But you should because they're funny.
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  So Petrus, how long have you been talking about Nicolas Cage at this point?
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  So I've been talking about Nicolas Cage since 2017 and I did something that was
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  totally insane when I first started off.
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  I did like my first 10 or 15 episodes solo.
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  So not even I can even I can even rope in friends to come talk about movies.
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  I just like fuck it.
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  I want to do this.
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  I want to start a podcast.
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  I'm just going to be a mad man on a microphone laying on my living room floor talking
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  about Nicolas Cage and yeah, X amount of years later.
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  Here I am.
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  Not any wiser probably a lot dumber, but still having fun, baby.
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  Yeah, I mean to 2017 that would have been around that time where he was in that really.
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  Everyone thought he was terrible.
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  You forget all the good work.
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  He's done.
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  He didn't really have his comeback and is self-effacing like joke persona.
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  Yeah, he was thick in the slump.
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  Yeah, thick in the slump is a good phrase.
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  It's pre Mandy.
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  I think Mandy's the kind of film that like people go like, oh, OK.
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  There's still some like gas left in the tank.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah. Before then, Mandy to Pig was like the kind of like long arrival of Nicholas Cage
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  again, like where people was second Renaissance.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  And the connoisseurs.
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  That's cool.
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  For me, the movie that really made me take notice was a color out of space like, oh,
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  this guy, this guy knows what he's doing.
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  He at least knows how to line up a project.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah. There's like a weird trilogy that I think do it is Mandy color out of space and
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  Pig, which are like what I've dubbed the man of the woods trilogy because all of them is
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  kind of like living out in like a secluded area.
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  And weirdly, they're all edited by Brett Buckman as well, which seems to be a weird connection
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  about those films.
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  And maybe he is personally responsible for Nick Cage's rise to prominence once again.
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  Well, thanks, Buckman.
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  Yeah.
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  Good fucking work.
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  Yeah.
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  It'll be something to look for to look out for when we're doing Mandy and color out of space
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  again.
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  What?
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  What the editing?
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  Yeah.
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  Don't those go up against each other?
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  No.
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  Okay.
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  I was going to say that's brutal.
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  Brutal head to head.
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  Oh, no, we got color out of space versus vampires kiss.
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  Oh, that's right.
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  That's that's a brutal head to head to that one.
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  That one's rough.
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  Yeah.
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  He's doing the same voice in those movies as well.
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  He brings back the Peter Lowe voice when he kind of gets colored out of space and that
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  movie when he when the colors go.
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  I mean, he's kind of like when he's taken by magenta.
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  When he gets that big T-Mobile money.
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  Speaking of cell phones, I have opinions on cell phones and stolen.
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  Should we just?
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  This is the perfect place to start talking about cell phones.
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  Yeah.
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  Stolen was a 2012 flick Simon West was the director.
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  Yeah, you want to Petros you want to give us a little breakdown of what this movie is about?
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  Yeah, it is about a famous bank robber who has a penchant for Creedence Clearwater Revival
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  does one job that goes wrong when MC Ganey fucks him over and he goes to prison for eight
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  years and then when he gets out his daughter is kidnapped and he is trying to get her back
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  in a race against the clock.
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  I forgot how this movie really does kind of like hit the ground running though.
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  Like I mean, there's a little bit of you.
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  He went away for eight years, but then it it's pretty non-stop movement for the entire
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  thing.
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  So the thing that always takes me out of this film, which I forgot until I rewatched it
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  eight years in prison.
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  Everyone else has lived their years for lives for eight years.
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  No one's gotten a haircut.
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  Everyone's got the exact same hair.
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  Listen, when you figure out good hairstyles you stick with a man.
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  It's kind of a white people thing.
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  It's like this is what sets me apart from that other person over there.
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  It's like this is how everybody else knows who I am that and if you go and see the same
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  barber they will just cut you'll say something different.
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  They'll just go.
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  Uh-huh.
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  Yeah, I'm giving you the same haircut.
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  I've given you for the last 10 years buddy.
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  Like we're not changing this up and it's weird that obviously Nick Cage.
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  His hair doesn't change soon as this is like a re team up with Simon West and the last
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  time Nick Cage's character went to prison.
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  He came out with luscious long locks in Conair.
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  Yeah, much better.
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  Yeah, he's just got the same boring boring old man haircut that he had at the beginning.
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  Well, anytime I go down to my barber who they questionably speak English, but they Tina.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh yeah, nice.
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  Every time they cut my hair like the lady I'm sure she doesn't recognize me, but she's
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  just like same as last time and I was like, I'm sure I don't think you were the same person
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  as last time, but that might be a fault of my own.
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  I mean as you established you all look the same.
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  Yeah, and you know what she gives me the same cut and I'll tell her like yeah, same as last
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  time just not quite so short on top of boom like short on top and it's like, ah, whatever.
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  It's yeah, it's a $15 hair.
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  You did say short on top.
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  No, I said not so short on top.
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  You did say the word short on top.
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  Yeah, yeah, that's all she's hearing.
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  It's like there's nothing more kind of embarrassing for a human being than that moment when a
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  barber uses that mirror to show you the back of it and you're like you just go yeah, yeah,
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  okay.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.
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  Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you've done something like it's just we're so polite to just be
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  like you can't go.
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  I know.
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  Can you put some back on now, please?
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  Yeah, right.
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  Fuck this up.
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  Like yeah, there's nothing you can do at that point.
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  I always hit him with the yep.
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  That's the back of my head.
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  Yeah, like what do you want me to do about it?
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  It's like well, I'm never going to see this again.
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  We all wear glasses too.
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  They always show me when I can't see shit and I'm like, mm hmm.
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  Yeah, feels like a haircut.
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  Oh, I make them wait.
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  I pull the glasses back out and I put them back on and I'm like, yeah, okay.
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  Underneath the couch.
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  It's too short.
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  Exactly.
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  So it really looks like I'm doing something dodgy down there.
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  But no, I'm just getting my glasses back out slowly.
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  It's the same question is like, did you find everything all right?
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  You always say yes, because what are they going to do?
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  One time I was like, no, actually.
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  And the person was like, well, that sucks.
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  And we moved on.
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  So all the cell phones in this movie.
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  Yeah, let's get back to your cell phone problem.
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  Our blackberries.
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  Yeah. And I love when the daughter's in the trunk of the cab and she like
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  cuts a hole through the upholstery and she's dialing nine one one on that.
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  Yeah, the blackberry blackberry keyboard.
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  Yeah, the keyboard.
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  But you can't see anything.
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  It's just the finger.
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  Like, how do you know what button you're pushing?
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  Oh, man, I used to be able to text like unseen in my pocket.
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  Yeah, I got really good at that.
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  It also made it look really inappropriate that I was doing some shit in my pocket.
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  But yeah, but when you can crank out like multiple questions on a T9
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  like keyboard and like send him well, oh, you felt like a god.
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  I love texting.
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  I think there is there is one knock here in the movie and Nick Cage
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  managed to set it up in like lightning speed because there is that scene
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  where he's going from like the shop inside of like the train station.
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  Yeah. To like set it up.
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  We're literally in like 30 seconds.
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  He's got it set up and he's got it redirecting the calls to his other phone.
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  It's like, wow, this guy's done eight years in prison,
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  but he knows how to work a phone.
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  Yeah. Well, if it had been an iPhone, he would have been completely lost.
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  That's true. Flummoxed. Yeah.
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  Well, fortunately, criminals aren't allowed to use iPhones.
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  So that's a good point. Thanks, Apple.
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  Yeah. Also, I'm pretty sure he got like a keistered Blackberry in prison
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  at some point, so he practiced.
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  So it works.
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  Just really kind of makes me think differently about texting from your pocket.
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  When he'll prison wallet. Yeah.
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  You know, those using those anus muscles to text.
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  Yeah, that's that's the final form right there.
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  Just kegaling his way into like a Domino's pizza delivery.
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  Sending a text message to his daughter.
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  I still love you.
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  I mean, you want the dominance because you need to get that phone out somehow.
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  Changing the subject ever so slightly, I just got a text about my new
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  my new dog I'm getting that I am naming Benjamin Franklin Gates.
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  Yeah. Good dog name.
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  It's a very good dog name.
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  He does have a Benjamin Franklin Gates face.
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  Yeah. One of my bosses suggested I name the dog Nick Cage.
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  I'm like, no, but I'll name it after Nick Cage character.
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  My other boss just threw out Benjamin Franklin Gates.
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  I'm like, that's too funny not to use.
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  First name, Benjamin Franklin Gates.
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  Last name. Yeah.
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  I like how it's just one three names, one word.
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  Benjamin Franklin Gates.
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  It's like how you want to have your nephew be named.
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  Well, I've I've recommended that every child be named after me.
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  Nicholas Michael, you can bleep all that out.
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  I'll crack some of that.
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  You're also going to crack out.
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  I know Tennessee is the middle name
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  because they're the only 10 I see.
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  If I'm getting doxed, you're getting doxed.
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  We're doxing everyone. Petros, you want to get doxed?
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  What's your address?
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  My name's Petros.
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  Joe, I know. Yeah, that's true.
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  I'm searchable, baby.
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  They're my name's strong.
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  There's a much more famous person with my name out there.
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  Sam, all right.
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  Hmm. Yeah, I'm like I've always thought it's a blessing and a curse.
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  People I want to remember me, remember me.
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  People I don't want to remember me, remember me.
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  So having a name like Petros, like, fuck.
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  So this was our second watch through on this.
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  I don't know if you went back to stolen at any point during your
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  illustrious cage time.
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  How did you find it this time?
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  Um, well, I think I was a lot hotter on it the first time
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  because it was the height of lockdown.
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  And I think I was drinking far more than I am these days.
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  So it's just like just so excited to be watching movies and not working
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  and like just talking to people online about them.
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  And that was the first time I ever watched it.
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  And then like on this rewatch, I was like, oh, there are glaring
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  things that are wrong with this movie.
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  But I still came out the other side going,
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  you know what? I think I like it.
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  I was like, look on a letterbox.
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  So there's like people I know going one star movie.
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  I was like, this is a solid freestyle, baby.
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  This is freestyle across the board for me.
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  I'd give it three stars.
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  Yeah, there's some continuity issues and a few like
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  questionable moments and Vince's writing.
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  I didn't I didn't care for the way his shit was written.
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  But otherwise, you know, fucking solid movie.
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  I absolutely love the chase sequence where like he jumps from roof to roof
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  and his leg goes through the roof.
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  Oh, yeah. He's like going to hop a banister and that just falls apart.
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  That's, you know, very good.
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  Like true post Katrina.
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  New Orleans, like the place is falling apart.
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  Beautiful city falling apart.
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  This is like one of many films that Cage does in New Orleans.
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  Right. And it just felt like, you know, at the time he's like, I live nearby.
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  Like he's shooting shooting locally.
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  Yeah, let's do it, baby.
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  There's really no reason for it to be in New Orleans.
• 19:01
  Like, yeah, I mean, the conceit of it being Mardi Gras, I guess, because that
• 19:05
  helps the cabs be around.
• 19:07
  Yeah, but you could have like a parade in any town for sure.
• 19:10
  So like I was in a parade once.
• 19:13
  It was great. Nice.
• 19:15
  Well, because I have the whole thing about it being Mardi Gras,
• 19:17
  but then they changed the fact that the cabs don't have
• 19:22
  the like New York style thing on the roof.
• 19:25
  Like the kind of down there.
• 19:27
  Yeah, yeah.
• 19:28
  They don't have the like number on the roof, which obviously is a big
• 19:30
  plot point in this show, get the whole sequence of him like
• 19:34
  seeing the number.
• 19:35
  So obviously, like they've gone, oh, it's New Orleans, but we're going to
• 19:39
  we're going to make the cabs factually inaccurate
• 19:41
  just because this scene doesn't work without it.
• 19:44
  Yeah. We want to like noodle in on weird continuity stuff.
• 19:48
  The fact that
• 19:50
  what's noodle, what's his name?
• 19:52
  The guy from Human Target.
• 19:53
  I don't even know what that is.
• 19:55
  We talk about the villain, Vincent, or you're talking about striker.
• 19:58
  Striker. What's human?
• 20:00
  So the Fed?
• 20:01
  Not the main one, not the one with the hat, but his buddy.
• 20:03
  Oh, the fucking bad one who's like, I hope you got raped every day.
• 20:06
  Yeah, that guy. Yeah.
• 20:08
  Who I know from Boston Legal and he was in Human Target, which is a TV show.
• 20:12
  But over the course of the film, Nick Cage
• 20:16
  kicks his ass, handcuffs him, handcuffs him in an elevator and leaves him there.
• 20:20
  And at the end of the film, Nick Cage has murdered a man,
• 20:24
  escaped, like stolen some gold, escaped the authorities.
• 20:28
  And they, you know, strikers like, no, we're going to let him go.
• 20:31
  And at the end, there's a little gold left.
• 20:33
  He's like, if he doesn't throw it away, you know, you can book him.
• 20:36
  You can also book him on, you know, assault of you, several people murder.
• 20:41
  Yeah, but he did it in like good faith.
• 20:44
  It was it was a solid, you know, overall.
• 20:47
  Yeah, but that's for sure.
• 20:48
  But the other guy who wants to book him can still get him for all that.
• 20:51
  Right. Yeah. Mark Valley is the Mark Valley.
• 20:53
  That's yeah.
• 20:54
  So yeah, like I just love that little thing at the end where it's like,
• 20:58
  you know, don't throw it, throw it, don't throw it, throw it.
• 21:00
  It's like a million other things you could get them on breaking into a bank.
• 21:05
  Also, why didn't they investigate if he threw the fucking gold in the water?
• 21:08
  Couldn't you get the gold?
• 21:10
  Oh, it's sinking the mud.
• 21:11
  And you never find it that New Orleans mud is deep.
• 21:15
  Gold's heavy, as far as I know.
• 21:17
  Twenty seven pounds per brick.
• 21:19
  Mm hmm. What about slagged bricks?
• 21:22
  How many how many pounds was that nugget?
• 21:24
  I think they said it was 10 pounds of gold that he was throwing.
• 21:27
  So like less than half a brick.
• 21:30
  Even though it looked bigger.
• 21:31
  That'd be able to tell on like how how easy it was for him to throw.
• 21:35
  That'd be like that.
• 21:36
  They're like gold to me.
• 21:38
  I look like a like a pine cone.
• 21:40
  To be fair, pine cones float also.
• 21:42
  So it was if they really looked at it, they'd see the pine cone resurface.
• 21:46
  And when it's when it's sinking, it doesn't look like a real pine cone.
• 21:49
  Yeah, maybe it was a decorative pine cone.
• 21:52
  I don't know. That was just sitting on that outside table.
• 21:54
  How many people just have concrete pine cones like this is my decorative.
• 22:00
  I pull this out for nice occasions.
• 22:02
  I do appreciate the fake outwear because when the cops show up
• 22:05
  then he'd been shot and, you know, he passes out in the helicopter.
• 22:08
  The next scene is the daughter and the female character's name.
• 22:12
  I can't remember driving Riley, Riley driving, driving past a cemetery.
• 22:18
  And then it is go right past it to his RV where he's fine.
• 22:21
  Yeah. The most suspenseful moment of the movie.
• 22:24
  Yeah, right there.
• 22:26
  Well, that daughter just looks sad all the time.
• 22:28
  So you never know.
• 22:30
  Maybe daughter should have thrown her in the water.
• 22:34
  How many movies start with Nick Cage going to meet
• 22:39
  his daughter that he hasn't seen in years
• 22:41
  because he's been in jail with a stuffed animal?
• 22:43
  Well, at least at least two.
• 22:45
  I think there's more.
• 22:46
  I think we've had three stuffed animals.
• 22:49
  There was another stuffed animal, but I don't remember if it was a prison
• 22:51
  related stuffed animal instance.
• 22:54
  I think it was still an out of touch dad moment, though, where the kids like
• 22:58
  stuffed animal. I don't even I'm like 15, dad.
• 23:01
  Well, was it primal?
• 23:03
  Was he just trying to bring a great white jag?
• 23:06
  Yeah, great white jag for the kid.
• 23:08
  Kids love these things.
• 23:11
  We'll get it mounted. We'll get it stuffed.
• 23:13
  They'll be great.
• 23:14
  Now, you keep that thing alive.
• 23:16
  What I don't get is he's had eight years in prison
• 23:19
  and all he can muster up when he speaks to his daughter
• 23:22
  is that like kind of half arse note that just looks like he wrote it
• 23:27
  in the cab on the way over to me like he probably can't even get it out.
• 23:31
  It's like to do some English class.
• 23:34
  You should have done some English classes while you're in the big house, buddy.
• 23:37
  Maybe he got early release and he wasn't quite prepared.
• 23:40
  He's like, I'll get to this later.
• 23:42
  Like I got nothing but time so long as I'm here in the big house.
• 23:46
  But he had plenty of time on how to steal all that gold
• 23:48
  that hasn't moved in eight years. Gold's heavy.
• 23:51
  Yeah. Well, that was just an imagination thing.
• 23:52
  Yeah. He just really pictured it.
• 23:54
  He was bored. Yes.
• 23:57
  So what about Vincent's wig?
• 23:59
  That shit is fucking bad.
• 24:00
  Everything about Vincent was so gross, like,
• 24:04
  he's got missing fingers.
• 24:06
  No, thanks. One leg abomination
• 24:10
  gets set on fire, then run over.
• 24:13
  Oh, well, I mean, setting him on fire was fine.
• 24:16
  I was OK with that.
• 24:17
  We do have two movies this week that have sort of like an unkillable killer, though.
• 24:22
  Both die by impalement.
• 24:25
  No, actually shot. Second one was shot.
• 24:27
  Oh, that's true. He gets very shot, but impaled first.
• 24:30
  So like Vince as well looks like Peter Stromae playing
• 24:35
  the like villain from last action here.
• 24:38
  He looks like a mixture between Peter Stromae and the villain from last action here.
• 24:42
  You know, is it Tom Noonan plays like the? Yeah, exactly.
• 24:46
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He looks like that.
• 24:48
  It's like, what the fuck was going on here?
• 24:50
  Like when you get that reveal of him, it's like Josh Lucas is a handsome guy.
• 24:55
  Do you know what I mean? It's like a kind of time store
• 24:58
  Matthew McConaughey.
• 24:59
  And then he's like, what the fuck have they done to this guy?
• 25:02
  What happened? That's what I bet.
• 25:04
  Like, I know he says all they keep telling is like,
• 25:07
  oh, you got him of a bad crowd.
• 25:08
  It's like, how bad is this crowd?
• 25:12
  You know, not like craps behind the the gas station.
• 25:16
  Bad. But I think a step below that.
• 25:20
  Well, yeah, I mean, I played craps behind a gas station.
• 25:22
  Those are usually pretty stand up guys.
• 25:24
  Yeah, I usually squat down when I'm playing craps.
• 25:28
  That's how you shoot, right? Yeah.
• 25:30
  Oh, we're talking about when I shoot.
• 25:31
  That's for Pornhub.
• 25:37
  You're going to have to add that to the outro now.
• 25:40
  No, we need to tell people where they can find us.
• 25:45
  Yeah. Nick will insert that no matter what.
• 25:48
  I will. I'm always inserting.
• 25:53
  I know we all I want to do is talk about stolen.
• 25:56
  But you keep distracting me with pornography.
• 25:59
  I so we talked about the terrible Australian character.
• 26:04
  Now let's talk about all the terrible acting from everyone else.
• 26:09
  I have a weird insults like calling the cage tapioca.
• 26:12
  Oh, man. That that was a good cab driver.
• 26:15
  Yeah, I'm going to start calling you tapioca.
• 26:18
  That's weird. It is weird.
• 26:20
  I don't even know what tapioca is.
• 26:22
  Oh, it's like pudding with like little like kind of jelly balls and balls.
• 26:28
  Yeah. Goo balls sort of like you guys have like Boba like bubble tea.
• 26:34
  Oh, yeah. Yes. It's like calling bubble tea.
• 26:36
  Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like, like, so you're like a weird eggnog
• 26:40
  flavored pudding and very white, like tiny little like Boba balls in it.
• 26:46
  Yeah. You reckon the character is supposed to say that was originally supposed to be not white.
• 26:53
  Wasn't it the black cab driver?
• 26:55
  It was a black cab driver.
• 26:56
  Oh, that makes sense.
• 26:57
  Then yeah, I'm with him. I'm with him.
• 26:59
  Yeah. Call him tapioca.
• 27:00
  Yeah, it's it's apt.
• 27:02
  It's just a you've earned that right.
• 27:05
  And you know what?
• 27:06
  Getting called cracker eventually loses its meaning.
• 27:10
  So you got to come up with new new white things. Yeah.
• 27:14
  I don't know where he's going with that.
• 27:16
  Yeah. So there's a lot of great supporting characters,
• 27:19
  like especially in the cab world.
• 27:21
  I think the cabbies are all the best supporting characters.
• 27:25
  There's the guy who gets mugged in the beginning.
• 27:28
  He was a cabbie, right? Mm hmm.
• 27:30
  Or just like a alley person.
• 27:32
  He was just like, I was just putting a cardboard.
• 27:34
  It is like recycling. Yeah.
• 27:36
  But when Hoyt takes off, he's like, hey, your ride's leaving you like, oh, that sucks.
• 27:41
  Well, the thing also, thank you for pointing out the obvious.
• 27:44
  You get Bertrum or whatever his name was calling him tapioca.
• 27:49
  And then you get the the guy that works back at the dispatch guy.
• 27:54
  He's cool. Oh, yeah.
• 27:55
  The MVP of the movie right there.
• 27:58
  Love your single best.
• 28:00
  Lord. Yeah.
• 28:01
  Also a killer name. Yeah.
• 28:03
  I love anyone named Lafleur.
• 28:05
  Oh, and cabbie white guy cabbie, who's obviously the worst cabbie
• 28:11
  who got paid to just drive around that GPS location with a medallion.
• 28:14
  Oh, right. The reveal went there. Yeah.
• 28:17
  That's not my number.
• 28:18
  I thought you meant Vincent. I'm like, yeah, he's pretty bad.
• 28:20
  Oh, well, yeah.
• 28:22
  But he's at least important to the story.
• 28:25
  I love the reveal when Lafleur is like
• 28:28
  saying about like, oh, he really put the Williams up my up my children.
• 28:32
  And they're like, oh, they're in their 20s.
• 28:35
  It's like, yeah.
• 28:37
  Yes. He's a crime.
• 28:39
  Putting Willis and children.
• 28:41
  He's not my children. It's a specific.
• 28:44
  That's a term.
• 28:47
  Petrus, you're going to finally get us canceled.
• 28:50
  That's what I'm here to do.
• 28:52
  Infiltrate and all the other cage podcast just get canceled
• 28:55
  and skirk off into the night.
• 28:57
  That's right.
• 28:58
  That's what we were going to be only one.
• 29:00
  That was our plan.
• 29:04
  I know we're doing a pretty good job of collecting all the cage podcasts at this point.
• 29:09
  Yeah, we're going to harness everybody's power.
• 29:11
  Yes.
• 29:12
  What did also if you want to come for our finale sometime next year,
• 29:15
  we're going to watch the two head to head movies that are going to decide
• 29:19
  the best one in a in a movie theater somewhere in Seattle.
• 29:22
  So come on by. Yeah.
• 29:23
  Yeah. All you have to do is use your own money to get here.
• 29:25
  Yes, that's it.
• 29:26
  Put yourself up.
• 29:29
  But you can hang out with Darryl. Yeah.
• 29:32
  I know Darryl is not for this.
• 29:35
  I fucked Darryl that.
• 29:37
  What did Darryl call us fucking cowards for?
• 29:40
  I don't remember. I think we didn't put something in our butts.
• 29:44
  Something but related.
• 29:45
  It was definitely but related. Yeah.
• 29:47
  Yeah, I agree. That'll get you called cowards.
• 29:50
  Yeah, you cowards.
• 29:52
  Five fingers or nothing, boys.
• 29:54
  Oh, OK.
• 29:56
  I'm going up your ass.
• 29:57
  But that block of gold up your ass.
• 29:59
  Otherwise, you're nobody's to me.
• 30:02
  When you put the pine cone in your ass, do you do it the hard way first
• 30:06
  or like the hard way out?
• 30:08
  You do it. You do it.
• 30:10
  So the so the the crinkly bits are going in first.
• 30:14
  So it's going to be harder to pull out.
• 30:15
  Yeah. So it's real suffering.
• 30:18
  Yeah, you're doing real suffering. Yeah.
• 30:20
  It's a pain and pleasure kind of combo.
• 30:22
  You know, you got to have both. Yeah. Balance.
• 30:26
  It's like putting an umbrella in and then opening it and trying to pull it out.
• 30:29
  That's that's what we want.
• 30:30
  That's what we want. Full maximum pain.
• 30:32
  And that's when you really get the humorous visual of an umbrella going inverted.
• 30:36
  So I imagine you just like let out like one big rip of a fart
• 30:41
  and it like turns it inside out similar to like a high wind.
• 30:45
  And then you get out Scott free. That's smart. Yeah.
• 30:48
  That's the truth.
• 30:50
  But then you have to have a whole curvy handle part go in first.
• 30:55
  It's like a it's like the parachute on the back of a NASCAR.
• 30:58
  Yeah, exactly.
• 30:59
  Or not an NASCAR, but a dragster.
• 31:02
  What? I don't know cars.
• 31:03
  I don't either. Yeah.
• 31:05
  The Batmobile. The Batmobile.
• 31:06
  It's like the parachute on the back of the Batmobile.
• 31:08
  Just pop that umbrella. You're all good.
• 31:10
  Yeah. Use those kegels.
• 31:13
  Cage knows what he's doing. He's he's he's texting.
• 31:15
  He's texting from his office prison wallet.
• 31:17
  So he's got to pop those kegels and that umbrella pops out.
• 31:21
  There you go.
• 31:22
  So as you write down, go, go, gadget, but umbrella,
• 31:25
  then you just pop into your way out of jail.
• 31:27
  There you go. Just hanging down.
• 31:32
  I think I downloaded the wrong inspector gadget.
• 31:37
  I think the only relevant note that I have from watching this
• 31:39
  the first time that I immediately had the same thought was cops are dumb
• 31:42
  and they suck. Yeah.
• 31:44
  They really are the worst.
• 31:45
  Like from the beginning, it's like, oh, he's going to rob the diamond place.
• 31:48
  Don't follow them into the toy store
• 31:51
  where they broke into whatever their goal is.
• 31:56
  Just only look for them at their end location,
• 31:59
  which can not be anything other than the diamond place,
• 32:02
  even though you should know that there is a bank on the other side of the same block.
• 32:08
  I like how the bank vault when they're breaking into it,
• 32:12
  it actually only has two tumblers.
• 32:14
  You just need to do it's all.
• 32:16
  And then it's not like they're storing
• 32:19
  thousands of pounds of gold in there or something.
• 32:23
  Oh, is it like 10 million dollars?
• 32:24
  That's it, right? The 10 million dollars.
• 32:26
  Because it's cash.
• 32:27
  Yeah, it was 10 million in cash that they took,
• 32:30
  which was conveniently like a vacuum sealed for them.
• 32:34
  And then billions of dollars in gold, which is dumb. Yeah.
• 32:39
  How would you fence gold, especially in bar form?
• 32:43
  How would you fence it in giant burned ass nugget form?
• 32:48
  I mean, you re smelted into knives and then you just sell gold knives. Smart.
• 32:55
  I think you just make golden pine cones.
• 32:58
  Yeah, yeah. Right.
• 33:00
  Yeah. And then you'd stick them up your butt and get them out the hard way.
• 33:05
  Chinatown, that's where you like get rid of anything sketchy.
• 33:07
  Yeah, makes sense.
• 33:09
  You want to go to Chinatown later? Sure. OK.
• 33:12
  But nuggets.
• 33:14
  Also, he's very slow at running.
• 33:16
  Like he looks like he's trying really hard in this movie,
• 33:18
  and he is the slowest motherfucker.
• 33:20
  Do they just kind of speed it up a little bit like old man car chases?
• 33:25
  I don't think they sped anything up.
• 33:26
  It looks like he's really running hard and it's like, hmm,
• 33:29
  that is a jog at best.
• 33:32
  Like you're trying to run away from a bunch of cops with a lot of guns.
• 33:35
  Well, you probably don't. Happy cops.
• 33:37
  Like he is running away.
• 33:39
  I don't think you're just allowed to shoot someone.
• 33:40
  You're not supposed to just shoot someone in the back if they're fleeing.
• 33:43
  I mean, these are police we're talking. Yeah, I know.
• 33:46
  That's why I caught myself and said, you're not supposed to.
• 33:49
  Yeah, I'm sure he was not going to finish that sense.
• 33:52
  I'm sure he didn't get a lot of yard time to like work on his cardio.
• 33:58
  So that that is the flaw.
• 34:00
  That's actually probably a feature of prison is like,
• 34:04
  yeah, we're not going to give you cardio because if you try to escape,
• 34:07
  we want to catch you real fast.
• 34:09
  It's true. They should just give like lots of snacks.
• 34:11
  Yeah, ice cream.
• 34:14
  Just turkey based ice cream to keep you docile and fat.
• 34:18
  Yeah, I think that that probably would work.
• 34:20
  Probably wouldn't. I'll try it.
• 34:22
  I'll get an ice cream maker and I'll puree a turkey. Nice.
• 34:26
  Beaks and all.
• 34:29
  Yeah, I mean, do you guys have more stuff that you really want to say about still?
• 34:32
  I do want to talk about the awesome car chases like the very practical car chases.
• 34:37
  Oh, yeah. Like when they're in that parking garage.
• 34:41
  Yeah. Oh, right at the beginning. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool.
• 34:43
  Yeah. And then he jumps out like behind the car.
• 34:47
  Oh, man. And he's when he's got the stolen cab and he's like
• 34:52
  jumping stuff. Pretty good. Yeah, dude.
• 34:54
  That's all. I love a good car chase.
• 34:57
  I like a good practical car chase.
• 34:58
  Yeah, there's that moment as well when he like breaks his own farm
• 35:02
  to get out of the handcuffs, knocks out the two cops.
• 35:05
  And I'm pretty sure the the the like car flips over
• 35:09
  and like dark side grinds across a rail.
• 35:12
  Jimmy is like fucking gnarly.
• 35:13
  He's like, yeah, come on.
• 35:15
  He's like, give me flashbacks playing Tony Hawk Pro Skater three.
• 35:18
  Baby. Yeah.
• 35:19
  The action in this movie is pretty pretty solid for 2012.
• 35:24
  Yeah. Yeah. For a 2012 Nicolas Cage movie.
• 35:26
  It's pretty fun. Yeah.
• 35:28
  It keeps the story moving really well and never feels like it really lags.
• 35:33
  It's a steady pair of hands like Simon West, right?
• 35:36
  Because obviously some of his films aren't the best.
• 35:38
  Like it's the guy who directed Con Air.
• 35:40
  He knows how to direct action.
• 35:42
  So even if everything else falls down, like the action's
• 35:46
  really fucking solid in this movie.
• 35:48
  Yeah. Just a few complaints about some writing. Yeah.
• 35:51
  But otherwise, I think it's a solid movie. Same.
• 35:55
  Worthy of a second round. Yeah.
• 35:57
  Yeah. Petrus in the Venn diagram of good cage, good movie, bad cage, bad movie,
• 36:02
  good, bad, bad, good.
• 36:03
  Where would you slot this guy?
• 36:06
  Oh, this is a hard one, because it's like my like
• 36:11
  my head says bad movie, but my heart says good movie
• 36:18
  and my heart says good cage.
• 36:22
  Yeah, I think it's good cage, bad movie.
• 36:25
  Is that right?
• 36:26
  I don't know. I'm second guessing myself now.
• 36:28
  Was it bad cage, good movie?
• 36:30
  I don't know. This is a curveball right now, fellas.
• 36:35
  Because I unashamedly love this movie despite it being shit.
• 36:38
  I like forgive the fact that the cage is pretty ropey in it as well.
• 36:41
  I was going to I was going to put it in the bad cage. Good movie.
• 36:44
  It's a fine like movie. It's a solid.
• 36:46
  It's you know, it moves quick.
• 36:49
  It's got a decent story writing to me and cage isn't the most cagey about it.
• 36:54
  Like this movie isn't served by Nicolas Cage being in.
• 36:57
  It probably could have been a number of other actors
• 37:01
  and been just as good.
• 37:03
  Yeah, we wouldn't have been watching it, but true.
• 37:06
  We don't watch anything without Nicolas Cage at this point. No.
• 37:10
  I think it's a. Bad cage, bad movie that I love.
• 37:16
  Yeah, I think that's a good caveat to it,
• 37:19
  because like it is a bad movie, but it is also fun
• 37:22
  and I did not have a bad time. Right.
• 37:25
  Yeah. Cinematically, it offers nothing to the world, but it's enjoyable
• 37:30
  and it's only 90 minutes long.
• 37:32
  So that's pretty good.
• 37:33
  All I want at this point.
• 37:36
  It begs the question as well, would this have been any better
• 37:39
  with the two people they went with before Cage, which was Clive Owen
• 37:44
  and Jason Statham? Yes.
• 37:47
  Statham, I could see this being pretty fun.
• 37:49
  And it makes sense that he would be so shitty at talking to his daughter.
• 37:53
  I could barely talk.
• 37:55
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 37:56
  Like a neanderthal. Yeah.
• 38:00
  I think it's a terrific, terrific film.
• 38:02
  Excellent way to spend a Sunday morning.
• 38:07
  Yeah, I know. I watched it this morning as well, and it was
• 38:09
  it was a fine way to start my morning with my with a cup of coffee,
• 38:13
  dog, cat and stolen.
• 38:16
  Any final thoughts on this film before we move on?
• 38:20
  The only thing I have to say on this film is I love the reference to Conn
• 38:25
  when the code name MC Ganey uses his diamond dog.
• 38:29
  I was kind of like there is like a cage devotee being like,
• 38:33
  oh, they're referencing that and the like bunny thing.
• 38:36
  It's like, oh, he's got that fucking bunny.
• 38:39
  Like put that bunny back in the box, baby.
• 38:41
  I really enjoyed Vince's line about being broker than a dead dick dog,
• 38:48
  which for me is just a reference back to Army of One
• 38:52
  where Nicolas Cage makes some comment about a broke dick dog.
• 38:56
  Well, wouldn't it Army of One be a reference to this?
• 38:59
  Maybe. I don't know.
• 39:00
  But I saw Army of One before I saw this.
• 39:03
  So that time works.
• 39:05
  That and on second watch as well, when Vince like
• 39:09
  he re kidnaps Mia, like puts her in the puts her in the trunk.
• 39:14
  Yeah, it's a little kid who sees him.
• 39:15
  What I didn't notice the first time is he like he flips him flips in the bag.
• 39:19
  Like secretly like, fuck you, you creepy old fucking weirdo.
• 39:25
  Yeah. Well, Vince is just putting the willies in all the children.
• 39:29
  Yeah, of course.
• 39:30
  Red Rock, Red Rock West, Red Rock West.
• 39:34
  I love this movie. I still love this movie.
• 39:37
  It's solid from the beginning.
• 39:39
  The the score, the opening shots of him getting out of the car
• 39:43
  and like one arm push ups.
• 39:45
  Yeah. Doing his sick ass one arm push ups, proving that he's a badass
• 39:50
  is busted up knee.
• 39:51
  Yeah, it's his stern and bush.
• 39:53
  Got to have stern and bush.
• 39:55
  This movie, it gets me every time.
• 39:57
  I love the the story, the pacing.
• 40:00
  Laura Flynn Boyle, as terrible as she is.
• 40:05
  Like she offers nothing.
• 40:07
  She's dead behind the eyes.
• 40:10
  President Cooper himself. Yeah.
• 40:12
  Yeah. And it's like weirdly, all three of them are like
• 40:17
  and Dennis Hopper are like, yeah, David Lynch alum as well.
• 40:21
  Is it kind of feels like a kind of like this
• 40:24
  weirdly could be a David Lynch film.
• 40:27
  It would be hella a lot weirder.
• 40:29
  But like it's kind of in that world that he likes to play in, like
• 40:33
  kind of, I don't know.
• 40:35
  Yeah, I love these kind of neo Western noirs.
• 40:38
  Yeah, we recently covered White Sands on getting to fo you,
• 40:43
  which is like a very similar film to this.
• 40:45
  Well, like to fo pretends to be a guy and then things go wrong,
• 40:52
  which is basically the the the the premise of this film as well.
• 40:56
  And I kind of I love that this this film is so tight and such a great
• 41:01
  like thriller that like even Lara Flynn Boyle, you can you can forgive,
• 41:07
  even though she could have been she could have been replaced with
• 41:10
  Mary Elizabeth, Masha and Tony or I don't know.
• 41:13
  Yeah. Any any other kind of cardboard stand?
• 41:17
  Yeah. Just real quick for our listeners.
• 41:20
  The whole premise of this film is Nick Cage down on his luck trying to get a job
• 41:24
  in oil fields of Wyoming has a bumleg so doesn't get it.
• 41:28
  Rolls into the town of Red Rock and is offered a job
• 41:32
  only to find out that it's to kill the bar owner, Wayne's wife and hilarity then ensues.
• 41:39
  Yeah. So he mistaken he's mistaken for somebody else because of his license plate.
• 41:43
  License plate gets gets roped into this whole assassination attempt
• 41:49
  and that Lara Flynn Boyle will turn on its head, try to get him to kill Wayne.
• 41:56
  And he just takes the down payment on both assassinations and skips town only to like you should.
• 42:01
  Yeah, which is the correct move. Yeah.
• 42:04
  And a pre Internet era. Yeah.
• 42:06
  This movie, like every part of this movie could have just been solved with a cell phone.
• 42:10
  What kind of cell phone? A Blackberry?
• 42:13
  Because because that didn't get what's her face out of the back of that cab.
• 42:17
  Sorry, Mia.
• 42:18
  Lyle shows up a week late.
• 42:20
  Got to call them.
• 42:22
  Hit the guy on the side of the road.
• 42:24
  Could have just called 911.
• 42:26
  I mean, pre Internet era, it wouldn't make sense,
• 42:29
  but it's just looking at things through time and going back to things like this movie couldn't exist now.
• 42:35
  Yeah. Cinema was a lot better before cell phones.
• 42:37
  Yeah. Well, yeah, that's why you get like loads of great filmmakers making period films, right?
• 42:43
  Soon as you have the invention of the phone, it's like it just ruins everything.
• 42:48
  Like you say, with this film, it is not just that it feels like it's just a movie.
• 42:53
  It feels like obviously it wouldn't work in a modern setting.
• 42:57
  It is very much the archetype of when people say they don't make them like they used to.
• 43:04
  It's like this kind of trashy mid budget thriller for adults isn't really made these days,
• 43:11
  especially not for like cinematic release.
• 43:14
  This is like the kind of thing.
• 43:16
  If you're lucky goes the streaming and like I don't think it would be near as good as like a film like Red Rock West is.
• 43:23
  No, because they put like Ryan Reynolds or something in it.
• 43:26
  You wouldn't just put a guy who looks like a guy because this is peak Nick Cage.
• 43:30
  Just looking like a normal dude era.
• 43:33
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 43:35
  You did get me thinking that I'd love to see a thriller set in the height of the pager era.
• 43:41
  Like things are getting really tense and like he's like, oh, hold on.
• 43:45
  I got to I got to find a pay phone and I just wander off and like call somebody back.
• 43:50
  I go there in the cab and the cab's gone.
• 43:54
  We kind of got that with Blade Runner.
• 43:56
  Oh, yeah. I do love how science like all this great science fiction we've had for decades.
• 44:02
  And the one thing no one could ever imagine was a cell phone except Star Trek.
• 44:07
  Star Trek got that one. Yeah, they had that pretty much cracked forever ago.
• 44:11
  Speaking of cracking. Watching.
• 44:15
  I watched Red Rock West last night, stolen this morning, then went over to Nixon, watched Red Rock West again
• 44:20
  and watching stolen Red Rock West back to back like this could be the same guy.
• 44:25
  Yeah, it's easy to think that he runs off with that money, learns to steal banks because he makes a reference to stealing banks.
• 44:32
  One of his early lines in the film is like, maybe I'll maybe I'll rob a bank.
• 44:36
  I think this film does really good work in portraying that like he is a good guy.
• 44:43
  Like he's a kind of white hat character because he has the opportunity to steal that money in the gas station and doesn't do it.
• 44:50
  And like every kind of opportunity, like there are, I guess the one thing that this film falls down on,
• 44:55
  and I guess it's like a big part of it is like what pussy will do to a motherfucker?
• 45:00
  Because soon as like Lara Flynn Boyle is like, let's run away to Mexico.
• 45:04
  He's like kind of like pussy struck and is like, OK, let's do this.
• 45:08
  And he's like, if he had just kind of like stayed with Dwight Yoakam in that like truck.
• 45:13
  Fuck yeah. Just get north. Stay with Dwight Yoakam, baby. Get out of there.
• 45:17
  Neither Lara Flynn Boyle or Wayne, whatever is JT Walsh.
• 45:22
  JT Walsh. Neither of them play stand up people like morally upright individuals.
• 45:29
  They both paid him to knock off the other one.
• 45:33
  It wouldn't hurt my feelings if he just like noped the fuck out of Wyoming.
• 45:36
  No, not at all. Especially with Dwight Yoakam, that dude, his character fucking rules.
• 45:40
  Everything about him was so good. How's that tickle you?
• 45:43
  Yeah. Do I look scared to you? Kind of badass.
• 45:47
  I forgot I was texting Peter Wall.
• 45:50
  This was while I was watching it last night and I completely forgot that Wayne is the sheriff.
• 45:55
  Oh, yeah. So that little reveal of like he didn't do the murder.
• 46:00
  And then like he has to wait for the sheriff to show up at the hospital
• 46:02
  and Wayne walks in with his cowboy hat on like, ah, you done fucked up.
• 46:07
  There's just this whole thing is just like a crisscross, double cross, uncross cross,
• 46:12
  kind of a situation.
• 46:14
  Yeah, everything's so circular, even like leaving and returning to Red Rock.
• 46:20
  Yeah, that's a great little motif, right?
• 46:21
  Every time it's like I'm getting out. No, I'm coming back.
• 46:25
  Like every night when she says we got to go back to get the money.
• 46:28
  So no, you kind of go there.
• 46:31
  It is one of those movies where like you are every time he makes a decision.
• 46:35
  You like even though I've watched this countless amounts of time, I'm like, just don't do it.
• 46:39
  You always are willing to do to to do the opposite each time.
• 46:44
  If like the guy he hits with the car, if that guy would have just died right then.
• 46:50
  He'd have been home free. He wouldn't.
• 46:51
  He could be. Yeah.
• 46:54
  I got another fuck two bullets in your stomach and you get hit by a car
• 46:57
  and you have the audacity to stay alive and make things hard for the main character.
• 47:02
  God damn rude.
• 47:05
  But surely if that is the case, he could say, no, it wasn't.
• 47:07
  It was it was a woman who shot me.
• 47:10
  Well, that's a good point, right?
• 47:11
  Like, unfortunately, he was in the coma, but yeah, fucking comas.
• 47:15
  Well, our convenient.
• 47:17
  Even the deputy is just like, you want to put it on this guy,
• 47:20
  the guy who brought him into the hospital.
• 47:23
  Yeah. The way they speak to him, though, when they're like when he's like,
• 47:27
  they're like, oh, where's your car and stuff like that?
• 47:29
  And he's like, oh, just going to go move it.
• 47:31
  Like, I'm not going anywhere.
• 47:32
  He's like, well, these two bullets say otherwise, buddy.
• 47:35
  Like, you got to stay here.
• 47:36
  It's like, you know, the deputies come in strong.
• 47:39
  I consider it like when it gets to like the latter stages of it, they're kind of like
• 47:44
  see, well, they get they learn about Wayne's fucking.
• 47:47
  Was it Kevin? His real name?
• 47:48
  Like, yeah, Kevin. Yeah.
• 47:50
  I want a list and stuff like that.
• 47:51
  It's like then they're like real, real nice guys.
• 47:54
  But to begin with, they're coming in real fucking thick and hard on cage.
• 47:58
  It's probably the most action those guys have ever seen.
• 48:01
  So they're a little nervous.
• 48:02
  They're like, OK, we we're going to do it.
• 48:03
  We're going to get in there.
• 48:04
  We're going to get this guy.
• 48:06
  Let me see your butt.
• 48:08
  Oh, shit. I mean, look at these bullets.
• 48:11
  What?
• 48:13
  Yeah, it came out before I got the sentence right.
• 48:17
  I don't know, man.
• 48:18
  Every interaction with cops I've ever had ends with let me see your butt.
• 48:21
  Yeah. This movie also has the ending where the cops just let him get away
• 48:26
  because he's on the train.
• 48:28
  He's pushed Laura Flynn Boyle out of the train with the money.
• 48:31
  Great. They're like, I love.
• 48:32
  And the cops are right behind them.
• 48:33
  They stopped to get Laura Flynn Boyle and they just let the train keep going.
• 48:36
  Like they don't keep following him.
• 48:38
  I mean, they got the money for the most part.
• 48:40
  And at least one person who was complicit.
• 48:44
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 48:45
  That seems like a good day on the force.
• 48:47
  Back in the 90s, tracking drifters was a lot harder
• 48:52
  because they didn't have cell phones.
• 48:53
  Now, they just have cell phones.
• 48:54
  Yeah. All drifters have cell phones.
• 48:58
  They keep them in their bindle.
• 48:59
  Have you ever had a call your butthole?
• 49:02
  Have you ever had a homeless guy ask you for money and then like prefer
• 49:05
  or like pull out like a square?
• 49:09
  So you could like pay with your phone.
• 49:11
  Like you have a bank account, sir.
• 49:13
  Yeah. I mean, I've seen it and it's like, oh, no, I'm definitely not tapping on that.
• 49:19
  That was turned down like free food.
• 49:21
  I don't really like tuna.
• 49:23
  It's got a free buddy.
• 49:25
  Scrape it off. Have some soggy bread.
• 49:27
  I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
• 49:29
  Of the Mayo.
• 49:30
  I had a good one once, though, where I was by Dick's Burgers.
• 49:34
  And I was like, do you want a burger?
• 49:35
  And he was like, you know what, man?
• 49:36
  Like, could you get me a salad from somewhere?
• 49:39
  And I was like, yes, I can do that. Yeah.
• 49:42
  I think I asked this on the first time we went around this movie.
• 49:45
  But why the fuck do they try and jump the train?
• 49:49
  Because it's cool.
• 49:50
  And well, because there's a dead cop like a block away.
• 49:53
  And they just drove away from the scene.
• 49:55
  I don't know. I feel like you could have not gone to all that trouble.
• 49:59
  Like they basically almost die.
• 50:01
  Well, did you watch the recent John Oliver on freight trains? I did not.
• 50:06
  Freight trains can be incredibly long. Yeah. Like miles long. OK.
• 50:10
  Well, this makes more sense.
• 50:11
  So you don't want to get stuck behind it.
• 50:12
  And if anything happens, you know, especially if you just killed a cop.
• 50:15
  Yeah. It'll shut down an intersection for a long time.
• 50:17
  Why try and outrun the train when you could drive the other direction
• 50:21
  and the train will end quicker?
• 50:22
  Allegedly, it could be miles long, but it's going at a certain speed.
• 50:26
  That way, you're going a certain speed.
• 50:27
  I feel like there's a math problem here that we can solve.
• 50:30
  Follow you that way.
• 50:31
  If you get in front of the train and crossover now, their host.
• 50:36
  I guess they go the other way.
• 50:38
  Well, then they would definitely lose you because you'd have time to escape.
• 50:41
  I mean, to be fair, there are only two other cops.
• 50:44
  There was three.
• 50:45
  Yeah, that's that poor woman who's doing like the dispatch.
• 50:49
  I was just.
• 50:50
  Yeah, the body in the background while she's on the dispatch
• 50:54
  is my favorite part of that.
• 50:56
  There is a hospital there.
• 50:57
  Don't touch anything.
• 50:59
  It's all evidence, including the corpse that we're propping up behind you.
• 51:04
  I think the gnarliest move is that Hopper shoots that guy.
• 51:07
  And then the next scene you see him, he's just eaten that sandwich.
• 51:09
  And he's like, I love turkey.
• 51:12
  Yeah, turkey sandwich. My favorite.
• 51:14
  Like Hopper, like loses it as this movie goes on.
• 51:17
  Like he shoots out his own car's
• 51:21
  driver's side window to prove a point,
• 51:24
  a point that nobody can make afterwards because nobody can hear
• 51:27
  the point being made.
• 51:29
  He's a good villain in this.
• 51:30
  Like he he seems monstrous, right?
• 51:33
  Like he continues, especially the way that he becomes hard to kill
• 51:36
  until getting shot 11 times or whatever it is. Nine.
• 51:40
  He seems like a good fucking monster.
• 51:44
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 51:45
  I do love how the movie that immediately followed this was Super Mario Brothers
• 51:50
  and Hopper's IMDB.
• 51:51
  Those both came out in 93.
• 51:53
  When did he die? Did he die after that?
• 51:55
  2010. OK.
• 51:57
  So I mean, he did technically die after that.
• 51:59
  But yeah, just, you know, he still got upcoming projects.
• 52:04
  He's got he's got rereleases of like early voice narration work he's done.
• 52:09
  But when I IMDB him today, it was like three upcoming projects.
• 52:12
  I'm like, what?
• 52:14
  Hardest working man in Hollywood right there, baby.
• 52:16
  I love that like cage as well as kind of like done his Lyle
• 52:20
  from Texas in Sympathy for the Devil,
• 52:24
  which is essentially like an hour and a half of that scene
• 52:28
  where they're like in the car and he's like going by gunpoint
• 52:31
  telling him to drive.
• 52:32
  It's just like him and Joe Kinnaman.
• 52:34
  And yeah, I love that movie.
• 52:36
  That's got good tension.
• 52:37
  Oh, yeah. No, that's a good.
• 52:38
  That's a good little connection there.
• 52:41
  Nick Cage had better hair and a better jacket.
• 52:43
  Yeah, the red hair was terrific. Yeah.
• 52:47
  Yeah, but like Lyle from Texas is like, it's great.
• 52:49
  Like with the kind of like Western shirt.
• 52:52
  I love his kind of like get up and it's kind of introduction as well.
• 52:55
  It's like almost like
• 52:57
  it's almost like a scene out of Raising Arizona,
• 52:59
  the way that like Cage is like up against the bumper.
• 53:03
  Like that kind of shot is amazing.
• 53:04
  And he's like, if I didn't get my brakes fixed, boy, you'd be
• 53:08
  I'd be picking you out of my radio.
• 53:11
  My radiator. Yeah, it's amazing.
• 53:13
  Like that kind of like what half hour into the movie.
• 53:16
  You get the introduction of it's just so great.
• 53:18
  It's just like the tension and release in this film
• 53:21
  and like the little scenes like when he's climbing on the roof
• 53:25
  and getting onto Dwight Yocum's truck, it's just like
• 53:28
  it's just pure visual crack of like, yes, come on.
• 53:31
  I love that shit.
• 53:32
  Everything shot really well to be like,
• 53:35
  these are the actions that I wanted them to take the most.
• 53:38
  Like, yeah, get on top of the the bar.
• 53:41
  Perfect way to escape.
• 53:43
  Somehow there's a bunch of construction materials. OK.
• 53:45
  They were working on high quality, high quality American wood.
• 53:48
  That is good.
• 53:49
  You know, they don't make like two by fours like they used to.
• 53:52
  I had to I had to tell people this this morning.
• 53:55
  It's they're just not the same.
• 53:57
  They they use younger trees now.
• 53:59
  The the ring's structure and the fibers aren't as tight.
• 54:02
  I do. Your house is burned down too fast now. Right.
• 54:05
  I do love the scene, though, where he's like tight rope
• 54:08
  walking on the two by four over the truck.
• 54:10
  And you just got this scene of Wayne just like looking around.
• 54:14
  And you just see him. It's it's like a cartoon.
• 54:16
  It's the Spider-Man rule.
• 54:17
  Villains never look up.
• 54:20
  Yeah, it's a great like it's almost like a split dioptic shot, isn't it?
• 54:24
  But you've got them both in focus, like that's great.
• 54:27
  Like all of the kind of like setups in this
• 54:30
  like is just these kind of small little scenes that kind of all play into it,
• 54:34
  which is like one bad decision after another.
• 54:37
  Oh, like when Lyle is up in the bathroom and they shut off the tub water
• 54:42
  and he turns around just in time for Cage to throw that statue at his head.
• 54:47
  The equestrian statue. Yeah.
• 54:48
  Such a good one.
• 54:50
  He just like pops out. Doink.
• 54:54
  And then just like cold coxum after that.
• 54:55
  Yeah. It's Hopper's line as well when he
• 54:59
  eventually talks to JT Walsh's character and he's like, he's like, did they get away?
• 55:03
  So I've been I've been staring at my eyelids for the past hour.
• 55:06
  Wayner, I don't know what the fuck's going on.
• 55:10
  I love Wayner.
• 55:11
  Wayner is such a good nickname for that fucking guy.
• 55:14
  It just sounds like wiener every time.
• 55:16
  But like if somebody from Texas was just just calling you a wiener.
• 55:20
  All right, Wayner.
• 55:22
  Reach for the sky.
• 55:26
  I'd like I'd I'd be interested to know how much of this is Dennis Hopper
• 55:30
  just like spitballing.
• 55:31
  Jimmy, I'm just like like that delivery.
• 55:35
  Like when he yeah, when he says about like the turkey sandwich, like turkey.
• 55:38
  My favorite is like, I just feel like that's Dennis Hopper.
• 55:42
  It's like they actually had a turkey sandwich on set.
• 55:45
  And he's like, can I just eat that?
• 55:46
  Yeah, 93. He's got the most star power out of anybody in the movie.
• 55:50
  So he definitely got the most leniency in this.
• 55:54
  I would love to have Dennis Hopper just ad lib at my wedding, funeral,
• 56:00
  something like that. Yeah, you're too late.
• 56:03
  No, not for either of those, right?
• 56:06
  Well, because he's dead. Right.
• 56:08
  Yeah, I'm neither dead nor married.
• 56:10
  So yeah, but he can't do it when you do die or get married.
• 56:13
  He's got upcoming projects. Yeah.
• 56:16
  Well, I have we did.
• 56:18
  We broke we briefly touched on this before we got started.
• 56:20
  And Nick and I both kind of have looked at each other when we were watching this.
• 56:24
  The sex scene where his silhouetted belt buckle
• 56:28
  definitely looks like an erect penis. Yeah, 100 percent.
• 56:31
  I don't know. I don't know if that was an accident.
• 56:32
  And they were like, oh, that's a happy accident.
• 56:34
  That looks like a dick for sure.
• 56:36
  Or if they engineered that either way.
• 56:40
  Yeah, it was well shot. I was a big fan.
• 56:44
  It's definitely like that would have been the place in the VHS
• 56:48
  that would have been worn out where you put it on pause.
• 56:50
  Do you mean a rewound in a bunch?
• 56:52
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 56:54
  That whole bit just goes fuzzy.
• 56:55
  I was definitely there.
• 56:57
  That's why you can't find VHS is this movie anymore. No.
• 57:00
  I'm pretty sure that that was
• 57:04
  engineered into the movie.
• 57:05
  They're like, OK, well, interest may be waning.
• 57:08
  Like we've put them in this hotel room.
• 57:11
  Let's let's make people think that they see cages dork
• 57:14
  and we'll we'll just move with that.
• 57:17
  Those early days, he might not have had the star power to say no.
• 57:19
  Probably could have gotten away with it.
• 57:21
  We might have seen it.
• 57:22
  Yeah, this is this is pre Oscar wins.
• 57:25
  So I reckon he could have been game for it as well.
• 57:27
  You know, my hog on show. Let's go, baby.
• 57:30
  You want to be a star, don't you?
• 57:33
  I mean, Harvey Weinstein's just in the background like, yes.
• 57:40
  Oh, well, anything revealed from watching this another time?
• 57:44
  I mean, at this point, you've seen it a dozen times or so or whatever.
• 57:49
  But any any fresh insights?
• 57:51
  It's a banger. I still love it.
• 57:52
  This is still my favorite discovery of this whole project,
• 57:56
  because most of these other movies I've heard about and the ones
• 57:58
  I haven't heard about, there's reasons I didn't hear about them.
• 58:01
  But this 93 classic, which has got a pretty high score on Rotten Tomato, is awesome.
• 58:07
  It's one of Cage's like highest rated movies on Rotten Tomatoes
• 58:11
  and just feels like criminally underseen.
• 58:14
  Like it's one of those ones that you mention to people
• 58:16
  and they kind of like look at you glassy eyed and it's like, no,
• 58:21
  it's really fucking great.
• 58:22
  Like, like I think it's because nobody can pronounce the title.
• 58:26
  I mean, Red Rock West, Rock West really have to enunciate it like a madman.
• 58:31
  So like, I'm not going to remember that.
• 58:35
  Nick, was it you met someone recently who was like, Oh, well, I mean, it's not met.
• 58:40
  But I know somebody like I was they were just discovering that I had this podcast
• 58:45
  and they're like, Well, have you talked about Red Rock West yet?
• 58:47
  And I was like, yes. But also, awesome.
• 58:49
  I'm so glad that that's the movie that your mind goes to.
• 58:52
  Yeah. Future future guest, Seth, his mom for Halloween last year,
• 58:57
  she heard about the podcast and she was like, Red Rock West,
• 58:59
  have you watched that one yet? I was like, we did it recently.
• 59:01
  And she's like, good movie.
• 59:03
  I feel like this is a similar to like in unbearable
• 59:07
  weight, how everybody just associates Nicolas Cage with another movie like,
• 59:11
  oh, that Moonstruck motherfucker. Yeah.
• 59:13
  Yeah. It's the Moonstruck guy from Croods or whatever.
• 59:16
  Like everybody's everybody's got their Nicolas Cage movie
• 59:19
  that doesn't have to be part of the Trinity.
• 59:23
  It's I recommend this movie to everybody.
• 59:27
  I can't. Well, now. Yeah.
• 59:29
  This and now that I would consistently tell people to watch.
• 59:32
  Well, because this this is one of the ones as well.
• 59:34
  It's like Cage doesn't he's not really dining out on what makes him cage.
• 59:40
  He has a couple of moments like when he like says to Lara Flynn Boyle,
• 59:44
  it's like that.
• 59:45
  Freddie Oz, he's dead.
• 59:47
  And all like, you know, she's like, What about Mexico?
• 59:50
  It's like, Fuck Mexico.
• 59:51
  Like all of those all of those moments like it's like,
• 59:55
  oh, that's that's like the cage we pay to go see.
• 59:58
  But like everything feels like I have a thing on my podcast.
• 1:00:02
  So it's like and cage freak outs and everything in this is like,
• 1:00:06
  well, I'm sure if you were put in this pressure cooker situation,
• 1:00:10
  you would probably would be reacting the way he is.
• 1:00:13
  So like, yeah, I think I think this is this is up.
• 1:00:16
  There's like one of the best cage films for me.
• 1:00:19
  That's a very fair assessment.
• 1:00:21
  There for me. Yeah.
• 1:00:23
  Well, we're not shy about how much we love this movie here.
• 1:00:27
  So yeah, absolutely.
• 1:00:29
  It's fair to assume that it's a walk off winner anytime we watch it.
• 1:00:36
  Which brings us to.
• 1:00:38
  Well, good cage bad movie.
• 1:00:39
  Well, I don't even think we have to worry about that at this.
• 1:00:41
  As good cage, good movie.
• 1:00:43
  Good cage, good movie.
• 1:00:44
  You cage. Good movie.
• 1:00:46
  Between these two films, Petros, which one would you put forward in the bracket?
• 1:00:51
  With the caveat, your opinion does not matter whatsoever to what actually goes ahead.
• 1:00:56
  Oh, it's obviously stolen, isn't it?
• 1:00:58
  Yeah, good choice.
• 1:01:00
  It's Red Rock West. Red Rock West has got my heart.
• 1:01:03
  As I mentioned, maybe off air like, yeah,
• 1:01:07
  I had the good fortune of doing a video essay about Nick Cage's performance in this film.
• 1:01:12
  And I did that for free because I love this film so much.
• 1:01:18
  That and they didn't offer me any money.
• 1:01:22
  Exposure, baby.
• 1:01:25
  But yeah, I just think it's Red Rock West is, as I said, one of the best
• 1:01:30
  Nick Cage movies, and it's always a joy because it is underseen.
• 1:01:35
  It feels like you're in like a kind of, I don't know, like a secret club
• 1:01:40
  of like people who have seen it and like like like you're saying,
• 1:01:43
  like when people mention it and you kind of have that knowing like,
• 1:01:47
  oh, yeah, we've both seen this.
• 1:01:49
  Isn't that great?
• 1:01:50
  And like, I just hope to share the film with like more people.
• 1:01:56
  And like maybe years to come, it will be like the cult classic that it is.
• 1:02:02
  I know it's like, yeah, U.S.
• 1:02:04
  It's really hard to get a hold of unless like you buy an old DVD of it.
• 1:02:08
  Maybe if it gets a 4K, eventually we'll know the truth.
• 1:02:12
  Was it his dick or was it a bellbuckle, baby?
• 1:02:16
  We'll have to compare it to a lot of Zonda Lee.
• 1:02:18
  Yeah, I'm a Dick Truther.
• 1:02:20
  Dick Truther.
• 1:02:22
  I subscribe to the flat dick theory
• 1:02:25
  that wasn't his dick.
• 1:02:26
  He's got flat dick.
• 1:02:29
  So you guys, what do you think?
• 1:02:31
  I ask knowing already, I can't follow that with a joke.
• 1:02:34
  So I guess.
• 1:02:36
  Oh, 100 percent Red Rock West.
• 1:02:38
  It's a great movie. Sorry, stolen.
• 1:02:41
  Also a fine movie, but it's not a great movie.
• 1:02:44
  I will definitely go back and rewatch Red Rock West.
• 1:02:46
  If I never see stolen again, I'm not going to be upset about it.
• 1:02:48
  I mean, I'll probably watch stolen again.
• 1:02:50
  I'll probably actually remember which one it is because I keep getting it
• 1:02:54
  mistaken with like Rage, which is a far so like inferior, inferior movie.
• 1:03:00
  But it's you know, that's the whole like premise of like the the daughter
• 1:03:06
  and what happened and whatnot and figuring it out.
• 1:03:09
  And he's got crime jackets and a criminal past.
• 1:03:12
  It's crime song.
• 1:03:14
  He's got crime music in this one.
• 1:03:15
  Dada da da da da da. No, but he's got his CCR.
• 1:03:19
  He's got his rich.
• 1:03:20
  He's got a CCR ritual in this and then he's got the lowrider ritual in.
• 1:03:23
  Yeah, I'm 60. Yeah, true.
• 1:03:27
  It's easily confused with that whole spate of like 2010s
• 1:03:30
  movies where it was just like a single word.
• 1:03:33
  Do you mean justice stolen?
• 1:03:36
  Take it. Just like, yeah.
• 1:03:39
  Well, what is going on?
• 1:03:41
  Yeah. Give me a title that reminds me what I'm watching
• 1:03:44
  a year later when I rewatch it.
• 1:03:46
  Yeah. Red Rock West. Exactly.
• 1:03:48
  I always know Red Rock West.
• 1:03:51
  It's just hard to pronounce. Yeah.
• 1:03:53
  Which is fine.
• 1:03:55
  Makes it more memorable.
• 1:03:57
  Flat Dick Theory.
• 1:03:58
  Mm hmm. All right, Pedros.
• 1:04:00
  Where can we we've talked about already, but for a good outro clip,
• 1:04:04
  where could we find you on the Internet?
• 1:04:05
  Where could people follow you?
• 1:04:07
  So you can follow Caged in Caged in Pod on Twitter, Instagram and Tiktok.
• 1:04:14
  And you can find Getting Defoe You on all the same places,
• 1:04:18
  which is Defoe You Pod.
• 1:04:20
  Both podcasts are super fun.
• 1:04:23
  Caged in.
• 1:04:24
  Not only have I covered every single Nicholas Cage film,
• 1:04:26
  I've managed to interview tons of people who have worked on the films
• 1:04:30
  or work with Nicholas Cage down the line.
• 1:04:32
  So we've mentioned Pig quite a couple of times.
• 1:04:35
  Yeah. A few times in this.
• 1:04:37
  I did a series called The Pig Cast where I interviewed the writer,
• 1:04:41
  the director, the composers of the score and even the chef
• 1:04:47
  who Caged shadowed to look like a chef in the movie.
• 1:04:51
  And then, yeah, Getting Defoe You is a seasonal based look at Willem Defoe's career,
• 1:04:57
  which is tons of fun.
• 1:04:59
  I hosted it with Darrell Edge, who's also been on this podcast way back when.
• 1:05:03
  And yeah, that is really fun.
• 1:05:06
  I get to be the great I get to be the second man on that podcast.
• 1:05:09
  Darrell does the heavy lifting.
• 1:05:11
  So I just get to derail us and talk about Willem Defoe's cock
• 1:05:16
  any given opportunity. So I'm doing us.
• 1:05:19
  That's a that's a sweet way to describe it.
• 1:05:22
  It's a good gig.
• 1:05:23
  I understand. I feel that gig a lot.
• 1:05:26
  That is my my bread and butter. Just wiener talk.
• 1:05:30
  Yeah. The grenade man just throw that grenade in and watch everyone else go.
• 1:05:35
  Oh, I guess we're going to deal with this now.
• 1:05:37
  Now, why do we have to hear about Nick's past again?
• 1:05:40
  We've we've known each other.
• 1:05:41
  We've all known each other a while. We're used to it.
• 1:05:43
  Plus, you know, it'll get fixed in post.
• 1:05:47
  Yeah, I do like to add chores to Peter.
• 1:05:49
  It really makes his editing time like hell much longer.
• 1:05:53
  Thank you.
• 1:05:54
  Nobody's ever said that about me before, but thank you.
• 1:05:57
  Long and flat. God damn it, Peter.
• 1:06:00
  Like a platypus tail.
• 1:06:02
  No beaver tail.
• 1:06:03
  I don't know. They got tails.
• 1:06:06
  Yeah. So thank you to our sparkle buddies, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt
• 1:06:10
  and Adam and our cage dancers, Ira, John Freeman and Lance.
• 1:06:14
  And that's all I got. Red Rock West fucking rules.
• 1:06:17
  Hey, Nick, where can you find us on the Internet?
• 1:06:19
  You can totally find us on Pornhub now.
• 1:06:22
  I've made an account.
• 1:06:23
  Just start searching for cage match colon around about way of meeting Nicolas Cage
• 1:06:29
  or cage underscore match underscore pod.
• 1:06:31
  I think either of those will find you something.
• 1:06:34
  And if you don't find us, well, just stick around and maybe
• 1:06:37
  you'll find something that tickles your fancy.
• 1:06:40
  You'll find us colon incest twins or something like that.
• 1:06:45
  Cage match pod colon step brother.
• 1:06:48
  What are you doing?
• 1:06:49
  Flat dick, flat dick theory.
• 1:06:51
  Stuck in a washing machine. Uh huh. Uh huh.
• 1:06:53
  Yeah, bye bye. Bye bye.
• 1:07:07
  I don't know.
• 1:07:09
  Speaking of apologies, I'm a Clive Owen apology.
• 1:07:11
  I love Clive Owen.
• 1:07:13
  I got no beef.
• 1:07:13
  Shoot him up is so much. Oh, that's a hell of a fun movie.
• 1:07:17
  I love it when he starts pulling the trigger with a carrot. Yeah.
• 1:07:20
  Yeah, I like when he shoots him up. Yeah, it's good.
• 1:07:24
  I like the pot with the guns.
• 1:07:27
  Apology, a modest. What else do you want?
• 1:07:29
  Peter Stormare. I don't know.
• 1:07:31
  MC Ganey. Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:33
  Always more MC Ganey. Yeah.
• 1:07:38
  I'm just trying to think how many times do you go to flip someone off,
• 1:07:41
  realizing you have to like.
• 1:07:43
  Oh, the phantom. Yeah.
• 1:07:45
  I mean, it would gross me out more.
• 1:07:47
  Just see somebody give me three stumps.
• 1:07:48
  Mm hmm. Yeah. Stumps.
• 1:07:53
  Vicks. What was it? Thicken the stuff.
• 1:07:55
  What did you say earlier?
• 1:07:57
  Fuck, I don't know.
• 1:07:59
  It was gross. Whatever it was.
• 1:08:03
  Words just come out.
• 1:08:04
  I don't remember anything I say here. Fantastic.
• 1:08:07
  That's why we record it for posterity.
• 1:08:09
  Yeah, right. And people's exhibit.
• 1:08:12
  Hey, yeah.