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Boundaries, Balance & Becoming You: Life Lessons from Cheryl Schultz · The FEEL Podcast: Women’s Empowerment, Emotional Wellness and Self-Leadership with Melissa Crook

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  Hello Field podcast friends, thanks so much for being with us
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  today. We've got a new episode here for
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  you with my friend Cheryl Schultz.
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  Cheryl is another one of those wonderful women I've met through
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  my connections at the Fresno County Woman's Chamber of
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  Commerce. So thankful for this wonderful
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  organization and all the spectacular women that it has
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  and continues to connect me with.
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  Today you're going to get to hear from Cheryl.
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  Boundaries, Balance and Becoming you life lessons from Cheryl
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  Schultz. The ways to engage with today's
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  discussion are as follows. Think of those special qualities
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  about yourself, like your character traits.
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  What makes you who you are? What is different about you than
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  from those surrounding you? There's something that each of
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  us brings to the table that is unique and it should be
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  celebrated rather than hidden. We hope this gives you some
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  really meaningful ways to engage and think about how you see
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  yourself, identify yourself. Is there anything you're missing
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  or not celebrating about yourself today as we listen to
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  you, my friend Cheryl Schultz, thanks so much for being with
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  us. Hello field podcast audience.
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  Welcome to this week's episode of today's episode.
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  I should say we got a couple of them following following each
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  week right now on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
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  Today I have a new friend with me, Cheryl Schultz.
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  Cheryl and I met through Fresno County Women's Chamber of
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  Commerce. She was one of the first people
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  I met when I joined. We had a coffee together and I
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  just knew she would be such a great guest for this platform.
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  She's going to have a lot to say about all of her talking points.
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  She's lives life so fully, in fact, she describes herself as
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  adventurous. She just went, she went
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  skydiving for her 60th birthday. Doesn't get much more
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  adventurous than that. I love that.
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  Never too late to do and learn new things.
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  She's an animal advocate. She loves animals.
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  She's losing sleep right now saving animals, literally.
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  We'll let her talk more about that.
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  But she loves animals, God, her family.
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  She loves to travel. She's a learner.
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  She's learned Italian in sign language, and she sings in her
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  church with a group where she just won an award that she's
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  just engaged with the community in so many different ways and
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  brings her full. She just has this vibrant
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  personality that really strikes you when she enters a room.
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  So I'm so excited to welcome Cheryl Schultz to the Field
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  Podcast. Hello.
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  Hello, thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here.
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  Oh, I'm so happy to have you here.
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  All right, let's get right into it.
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  And this is something you're having to work with right now
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  with the, with the sleep stuff you've got going on and how your
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  heart for taking care of these animals and others impacts you.
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  But talk to me about prioritizing self-care in your
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  life. What has your journey been like
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  for that with that? That's a great question.
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  It's different every day, My schedule is different every day.
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  And so I've had to learn that there's no one way that I need
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  to take care of myself. I need to allow myself to to
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  give what I need for that moment.
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  So this morning, because I knew I was going to be on this
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  podcast, which I'm very excited about.
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  And my husband's actually watching our five dogs in the
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  other room, so they're not disturbing us.
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  But when I this morning, because I did not sleep well last night.
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  And I honestly believed it was kind of a, for lack of a better
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  way of saying it, like an attack to kind of prevent me from being
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  on this podcast today, which was even more of a reason that I
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  felt I need to go in prayer to cover this podcast and to get
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  this message out for those that need to hear it.
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  Yeah. So, so when I, when I myself
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  care on a daily basis, I'm, I'm a strong follower of Christ.
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  So I spend time in my Bible, I spend time with God every single
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  day. And that's really important for
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  me. But I also walk out time on my
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  calendar, time to take a bubble bath, time to go walk the dogs,
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  time to make a nail appointment, whatever it might be to work.
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  I'm actually writing a couple of books right now.
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  So so to work on my book. So I I literally put those on my
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  calendar because we all are so busy and we just do not have the
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  time if we don't make the time. Yeah.
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  So you have to really make it a priority.
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  Yeah, yeah. I love that have the time to
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  make the time. I talk to women about this all
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  the time. Sometimes women are like, oh
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  gosh, if I put it in my calendar, is that too formal?
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  No, you're worth being formal about if that's what it takes to
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  get you to carve out that time and space for yourself.
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  It's that intentionality that sends yourself the message I'm
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  worth this. I'm worthy of this space.
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  I'm I'm valuable. And I need to make sure I'm
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  pouring my into myself in the way it's going to allow me to
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  show up how I want to, not only for myself, but for other
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  people. I mean, I think that's such an
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  important piece of that. When do you do?
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  Have you always had a concept of that, or was this something you
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  had to grow into over time? Absolutely had to grow into it.
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  I had no clue how to set boundaries when I was younger.
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  I had no clue how to make myself a priority when I was younger.
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  And you're you're very you're totally on point because if we
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  don't have if we don't make ourselves a priority and that's
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  not about puffing myself up and I'm more important than other
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  people. It's not about that.
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  But if I don't get the rest I need, if I don't get the
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  self-care that I need, if I don't spend time with God that I
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  need that quiet time and just have that kind of that peaceful
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  moments that I needed my day, I'm no good for anybody.
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  I can't help my husband. I can't help.
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  I can't be there for my daughter, my grandson.
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  I can't be there to help animals.
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  I can't be there to help the woman's ministry.
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  I can't be there to sing with the best of my ability in the
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  barbershop course. I can't do anything that I'm
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  called to do and I can't really be the person that I'm meant to
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  be. And one of the things that I'm
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  so passionate about, Melissa, and one of the things I love to
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  talk with you about is that I think so many women, we go
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  through more than half of our life serving other people and
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  not fulfilling the call on our own life and, and being who we
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  are in purposely created to be on purpose, live that purpose on
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  purpose. And and so we, we go through our
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  life living for other people, doing for other people.
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  Not that it's wrong to help other people, but you could go
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  through your whole life. I remember I was working in a
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  career, it was a sales career and and I was working with a
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  life coach and he said, Shirley goes, I don't know what you're
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  meant to do, but I can absolutely tell you that your
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  purpose on this earth is not meant to be a salesperson for
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  this company. And that really was like an aha
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  moment where I thought, what am I supposed to do?
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  I'm really good at this. I'm highly successful.
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  But he's right. It's not my calling.
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  It's not my purpose. What is my purpose?
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  And we need to find that. We need to discover that.
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  And that's why we need those quiet moments to be able to
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  figure out what that is because of distraction, all the noise,
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  just otherwise we'll just push it out and we have no clue.
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  You hit on two really important things there.
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  One, listening and quiet so we can be spoken to, so we can hear
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  and feel into and leave space for.
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  And 2:00, just because you're good at something doesn't mean
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  that's your purpose. And I think sometimes we
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  mistake, well, I'm really good at that.
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  So it must, well, maybe in some seasons that's a place where
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  that can show up for sure, but it's not automatic.
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  And I've, I've talked to so many people, so many women, so many
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  college age students who were going after a degree or, or
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  chasing something that others had told them you're really good
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  at that, so you should do this. And they hadn't sat down to
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  really consider. Did that feel aligned to them?
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  And many times later in their lives, they're they're at this
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  point where like, I just don't feel like I'm in touch with who
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  I'm supposed to be. I don't feel like feel like I
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  was made for something more different than this.
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  And so I think it's very important to, if you're good at
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  it, great. Look at your life and see if
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  there's a space or place that fits in, But don't assume just
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  because you're good at it that that is supposed to be your
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  primary purpose. I think that's so important and
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  something that we can get stuck in.
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  So I'm so glad you pointed that out.
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  So good. All right, let's go into
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  confidently setting boundaries. This is not a conversation our
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  generation had growing up. We did not.
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  This wasn't a conversation boundary.
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  What? What?
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  What's a? Boundary.
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  What does that mean? Exactly boundaries where the
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  state line is. I don't, no.
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  Exactly it. Was very geographical for us.
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  It was not something in our lives.
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  And it's really, I would say, a conversation that's really only
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  started coming up in the last 10 years.
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  And so now there's other words for it that many people have
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  adopted. I know some women that were just
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  naturally born with an inclination of what line not to
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  cross with them And what I mean, some people have that knack, but
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  so many of us, because we get that messaging early on that
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  we're supposed to show up for everyone else, no matter the
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  cost for us, because putting ourselves first was selfish.
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  We've had to unpack that and unlearn that and like, no, no,
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  no, no, it it's not selfish. It's actually the way that we
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  can best show up as ourselves for everybody wins when we do
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  that. But it's but we've had to like
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  unlearn and relearn those things.
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  So talk to me about that, that moment where you realize or
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  understood that boundaries or whatever you word you use for
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  that needed to have a space in place in your life.
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  Well, I think it's first of all we need to realize if we are
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  feeling completely overwhelmed or underwater and there's no way
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  that we can come up for air, we probably need to learn how to
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  set boundaries. We probably are not setting
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  boundaries because there's too much going on.
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  I think one of the downfalls of technology and technology is
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  great. I love that we are able to
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  connect this way today. But one of the downfalls of
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  technology is it gives us the false security that we can fit
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  more into our day. And there's still only 24 hours
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  in a day, whether we have an iPhone or a Android, whatever
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  kind of phone we have or whether we don't use technology at all,
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  there's only 24 hours in a day. So we can't jam more in just
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  because we have technology that seems like we can pack it in
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  tighter. And when we do that, when we
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  train pack more in, we get so overwhelmed.
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  We're drowning with commitments and obligations and this feeling
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  of guilt that we can't let somebody down.
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  We have to be there. And I think one of the things we
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  have to do and one of the things I've really had to learn because
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  I was very much that, yes, person, I will do whatever you
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  ask me, I will do. I'm here for you.
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  I will never. And I am a faithful friend.
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  I'm a very loyal, devoted, you know, person that if I tell you
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  I will do something will be there for you.
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  But you, I've really had to learn.
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  There's got to be a line in the sand.
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  I have to first of all, look at this.
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  And sometimes like I just recently, there was a woman I
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  met recently at the chamber and she has, she's looking for
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  volunteers for something. I thought, oh, that sounds good.
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  And then I had to put myself back.
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  I said, oh, I need to find out more about this.
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  I need to pray about it. I need to see if it aligns with
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  my values and my priorities. I need to see if this is really
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  the right time in the right season for me to be doing this.
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  Is it something that is going to suck the life out of me?
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  Is it going to be something that feeds me?
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  It's going to be something that helps me to reach my goals and,
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  and is in alignment with, you know, who I am and what I what
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  my priorities are, You know, so you, you really have to look at
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  all that and then sometimes just have to really say, you know, I
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  would love to, but it's just this is not the right season for
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  that or this is just not the right time.
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  I think where it gets difficult, Melissa, is there are some
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  people, I'm sure you have them because I know I've had them in
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  my life that they do not allow you to set boundaries.
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  Yeah, they, you know, here's your line and they're constantly
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  stepping over that line. There's no way they're going to
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  let you draw that line in the sand.
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  You could draw it 100 times and they're going to constantly
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  cross that boundary. So sometimes you have to be
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  really firm with people and just, you know, some it may be
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  losing a friendship if it's not a healthy relationship, if
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  somebody does not recognize that it's a healthy thing for you to
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  do right, to set boundaries and you would be respectful of their
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  boundaries in return. If they don't recognize that,
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  then it sometimes it means terminating that relationship.
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  And that's hard, you know, especially for, because we love
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  to, you know, take care of people and we have that
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  nurturing and, and I think women naturally and, and I think we're
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  created with a more nurturing part.
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  That's part of who we are, which is a great thing.
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  But I, but I also think that it doesn't mean that we are always
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  supposed to do everything. And another way to look at it
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  truly is that there are gifts and talents that I have that I
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  meant to use, that I meant to share.
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  But there are gifts and talents that you have that you're meant
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  to use and that your audience has and they're meant to use.
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  And if I'm trying to do everything for everybody and be
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  everything to everybody, I'm kind of in essence robbing other
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  people who should be able to do that, right.
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  So we want to share the wealth, let everyone have their little
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  piece of the pie and, and, and know what, where, you know,
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  where we are lined up and what we are supposed to do and where
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  we have to step back and say thank you, but no thank you.
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  Yeah. So.
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  Yeah, that was so many good points are one power in the
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  pause. You know, we talked about of
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  just taking a moment. We had several guests over, you
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  know, glass last couple years talk about some take 24 hours
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  before they will say, you know, I this is a great opportunity.
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  Let me take a look and think about this and and I'll get back
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  to you. If I you know, the end of next
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  week or whatever it is power in the past going home looking at
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  it because I I've run into the same thing.
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  We hear so many great we were. We get to be connected with so
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  many amazing women at the chamber with and they're all
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  doing amazing things. But and I'll come out of a
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  connect event or a meeting like, Oh my gosh, this would be so
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  incredible if I could volunteer there or give my time there.
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  And then I have to go back home and look at my calendar and be
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  like, you know, maybe not right now or maybe I can support them
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  in this way, but maybe not that way.
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  But so being intentional about that and going to what you said
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  there towards the end of. If we're.
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  Doing everything and somebody really was a pastor we had many
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  years ago. Gosh, early 2000s said this to
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  me and she was and and she's like I've had to learn that me
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  showing up for everything as half myself is robbing someone
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  else of showing up for something they were called to as their
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  full selves and. It.
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  Was such a great way shout out to Joy Bradley, wherever you
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  are, Joy for for bringing that to my attention and some and she
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  had to learn, you know, she had to learn that and realize that
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  I'm like, that's really smart across the board to remember
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  that. And then, you know, our a guest,
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  Valerie Rivera said to me one time that whatever you're saying
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  yes to, it means you're saying no to something else.
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  Make sure you're OK with saying no to that.
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  And also make sure it's not you that you're saying no to every
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  time, because then there's no space to fill your cup and and
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  sit in that pause to make sure these things are aligned for you
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  and you're going to show up the way you really want to and be
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  remembered as in these spaces. That's important.
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  You know, there was something that you said reminded me of a
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  word that got spoken to my life last year.
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  And he said, if your hands are so full of all these things,
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  then you have no room to receive the new want to bring into your
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  life. So sometimes.
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  We have to let go of things. So that we can receive the new
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  things that God's bringing into our life in the season, Right.
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  And so it's not a bad thing to say no.
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  Sometimes it's the best thing we can say because it brings us
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  into the place where we are open to then have the time and the
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  ability and the availability to be able to move into something
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  that is amazing that we wouldn't be able to do.
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  Yeah. Absolutely.
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  So good. All right, taking care of our
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  emotional, mental, physical, spiritual health.
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  These are all pieces and parts of our health and of our care.
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  Talk to me about your journey of understanding the connection of
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  those things in terms of your own health.
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  How to? How to?
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  Maintain my my own health in these different areas.
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  Yeah. And how you came to that?
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  Because this is not something we're like.
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  Health is very much taught in a vacuum and in a silo of you go
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  to your PCP and you do the blood work and you do all these things
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  and you talk to you about your physical health, but very rarely
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  do they ask you how. Have you?
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  Been anxious lately? Have you had a move lately?
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  A stressor in your life that is maybe impacting your blood
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  pressure right now or your, your, your heart rate or, you
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  know, I mean, there's that not been those connectivities.
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  We're starting to talk about it and ask more about it now.
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  But historically that's not something we've heard or
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  understanding that if I continue to stop that emotion, it's going
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  to show up in a really costly way later.
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  I've got to make time to feel that move through that process
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  that so it doesn't show up later as a raging headache or an
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  explosion on my husband or, you know, those kinds of things.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Our husbands appreciate that. Yeah, I think I'm very, I'm very
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  fortunate that I actually my my doctor, my actual physician that
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  I see is a naturopath and Western medicine together, which
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  is great. She looks.
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  At. She looks at the whole body
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  right? And she will ask those
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  questions. So tell me about how you're
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  feeling and what's been going on.
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  I've gained weight lately, so what's going on come what's
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  going on in your life? She tries to look at the other
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  elements that contribute to our health.
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  But right, we're very complex beings.
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  People are not just about their physical health.
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  They're not just about their emotional health.
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  We're completely and meshed together.
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  We're completely blended and we have to be able to nurture these
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  different parts of ourselves. For me, like I said, I mean, I
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  start off my morning with reading a bit of scripture and
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  trying to spend a little quiet time, which is hard to do.
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  I mean, sometimes I've literally had to set my phone on a timer.
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  This is embarrassing for 5 minutes just to say for these 5
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  minutes, I'm just not, I'm just going to focus here on I'm just
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  going to focus on God. I'm just going to be quiet and
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  sit for 5 minutes. That's why because we're so in
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  this crazy rat race where we're constantly on the go and we've
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  got appointments back-to-back to back, right?
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  Or we've got other people pulling demands on our time.
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  So, so sometimes I have to force that time and that, but that
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  again, when we give ourselves that, that breathing room that
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  we need, it's like it just refreshes us.
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  It helps to calm us down, which helps with our physical health,
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  right? It helps little mental health.
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  It helps to connect all those dots and to really.
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  Address all and recognize all those different parts of who we
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  are. Just like we recognize, like I'm
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  a mother, I'm a grandmother, I'm a wife, I'm a dog mom, I'm a cat
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  mom. I'm a, I'm a, you know, ministry
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  leader. I'm a barbershop quartet singer.
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  I'm all these different things are all these.
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  I'm a I'm a student, I'm all these different things, but I
• 20:24
  have to, I can't do all of those at the same time, but I can, I
• 20:28
  can enjoy each part of that, that aspect.
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  You know, it's like if you look at like a, if you, if you look
• 20:36
  at some, I'm trying to think like, not a Rubik's Cube, but
• 20:39
  like a, like a, you've seen these like almost like a, a
• 20:45
  shape, a geometrical shape, or it has all these different sides
• 20:47
  to it, right? Yeah.
• 20:49
  And it's all part of the same geometric structure, but they're
• 20:53
  all different parts, you know, And so we need to, we need to
• 20:56
  help nurture each of those parts of our body, right?
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  So maybe it's taking some time to go for a walk, you know, to
• 21:04
  have that time to exercise, which is great for my health.
• 21:07
  It's also great for my, my emotional health.
• 21:10
  It's also help helps my spiritual health.
• 21:12
  All that, right, Being out in nature, I love to be in nature,
• 21:15
  you know, going for a bike ride or whatever it might be, you
• 21:18
  know, having a glass of wine, sitting, listening to some nice
• 21:21
  music, maybe putting a mask on my face and just relaxing for 15
• 21:24
  minutes, you know, But all those things tie together to to really
• 21:29
  help us to feed all those different parts who we are.
• 21:34
  Yeah. Absolutely.
• 21:35
  So good. Thank you so much for that.
• 21:37
  All right, how we can support ourselves and other women in
• 21:41
  living unapologetically. You show up very naturally in
• 21:46
  this way. You are such an advocate for
• 21:49
  women about women supporting women.
• 21:52
  That's just that's just who you are.
• 21:54
  Like, that is really obvious from you from the time that
• 21:58
  anyone meets you in my in my perspective.
• 22:01
  But talk to me. So talk to me, do you see
• 22:04
  yourself that way and how what this looks and feels like for
• 22:06
  you? I, I've had to learn to really
• 22:10
  grow into this as as I mentioned a little bit earlier, I was
• 22:13
  really just, I was a people pleaser, which does not serve us
• 22:18
  well. It does not, we did not serve
• 22:20
  ourselves when we're being a people pleaser, you know, and I
• 22:23
  think that to, to recognize, to encourage people to live
• 22:27
  unapologetically is to really recognize who they are, who God
• 22:31
  created them to be. What I love about when God
• 22:35
  creates a person that each of us are completely unique.
• 22:39
  And I was reading something, I thought this was so fascinating.
• 22:42
  I was reading about this, that when you have two individuals
• 22:45
  that we are 99.5% identical, that it's only a half a percent
• 22:51
  in our DNA, that's different. It's not amazing.
• 22:55
  It's not. Fascinating, right?
• 22:57
  That half a percent makes us totally different.
• 23:01
  It changes our personality, our hair color, eye color, our body
• 23:04
  type or our, our height or weight, whatever our, our
• 23:07
  ethnicity, our, you know, everything, everything about us,
• 23:10
  our personality, everything is different.
• 23:12
  So we want to embrace that tiny difference, but and really just
• 23:19
  just let that blossom because that is what makes us so unique.
• 23:24
  And there are things that each one of us can bring to the table
• 23:28
  that only we can bring to the table.
• 23:31
  Yeah. And that's why it's so important
• 23:32
  to figure out what is why was I put?
• 23:36
  Why am I here in the season of my life?
• 23:38
  What is the purpose? What am I really meant to do?
• 23:41
  Like you said, just because we're good at it doesn't
• 23:44
  necessarily mean it's what we're supposed to do.
• 23:46
  Yeah, maybe it was that for that small season, but it doesn't
• 23:51
  mean forever after. And to figure out what we are
• 23:55
  and why we are in a particular place at that moment helps us to
• 24:02
  really understand how we can grow into that next, into what
• 24:07
  we're supposed to really be doing and to show up as our best
• 24:10
  self. And when we can do that,
• 24:11
  especially for those of us that are over 40, you know, if we can
• 24:15
  do that, we can help the girls that are in their 20s and their
• 24:19
  30s and their in their teens, even young girls.
• 24:22
  We can help them to really embrace who they are and to grow
• 24:26
  into that so they don't have to repeat the mistakes that we've
• 24:29
  made, you know? I think.
• 24:31
  That mistakes aren't always bad because we can learn from them,
• 24:35
  sure, and we can recognize that. And I really do believe my
• 24:40
  girlfriend has a saying whenever I've gone through a tough time,
• 24:42
  she says God never wastes our pain.
• 24:45
  And I love that because sometimes the painful things
• 24:48
  we've gone through, the mistakes we've made, give us the ability
• 24:52
  to help somebody else where we would not recognize or be able
• 24:55
  to relate to them. Right, and have known how to
• 24:57
  show up. Right, so it gives us that
• 25:00
  ability to be compassionate and to be able to help them to then
• 25:04
  level up to the next, you know, thing, the next place in their
• 25:08
  life, right. So I think that it's so
• 25:10
  important that we authentically can show up and and there's only
• 25:15
  one way to do that. And that is to really be true to
• 25:17
  who you are and be true to your vision and be true to your your
• 25:21
  values and and true to, you know, like showing up as who you
• 25:25
  are. I can't be Melissa, right?
• 25:28
  I could try, I could try and say I'm going to do my podcast, I'm
• 25:31
  going to do this. I'm going to write a book just
• 25:33
  like that. I could try, but it's never
• 25:34
  going to be the same because I'm not, I'm not you, you know, and.
• 25:38
  You could never. Be me, because you're not me.
• 25:42
  You spoke to showing up unapologetically for yourself
• 25:45
  and other women. So well, there was such a
• 25:47
  complete understanding of that. So thank you for your thoughts
• 25:51
  on that. And it really what you said.
• 25:53
  You said something and we talked about this a little bit earlier
• 25:55
  and this really goes into serving us and knowing our
• 25:58
  purpose. It's identifying your why and
• 26:01
  your values and everything you do.
• 26:04
  This is a big part of that. When you know your why and
• 26:07
  understand your values, that guide you, that feeds into where
• 26:11
  your healthy boundaries need to be.
• 26:12
  That feeds into how you care for yourself.
• 26:15
  That feeds into you understanding what your purpose
• 26:17
  is. So talk to me about your journey
• 26:20
  with your why and your values. Well, I want.
• 26:23
  To also just mention that I think an important thing for
• 26:26
  women especially is to accept who we are.
• 26:29
  We have our imperfections because in my humble opinion,
• 26:36
  God does not make mistakes. And when he created me with my
• 26:40
  body type, my hair color, whatever, that's exactly who he
• 26:45
  created me to be. I always tell people, I said,
• 26:47
  you know how when you're a little girl, you want to pretend
• 26:49
  you're a Princess? Well, I am a Princess because
• 26:52
  I'm the daughter of the king, right?
• 26:53
  So I need to be a Princess my whole life.
• 26:54
  I love it. Yeah.
• 26:56
  But what's so great about that is I can accept and embrace who
• 27:00
  I am. Not just accept.
• 27:01
  It's like, oh, I accept who I am.
• 27:03
  It's not going to get any better.
• 27:04
  This is just who I am. No, I really joyfully embrace.
• 27:07
  I'm this person because this is exactly who I'm to be.
• 27:09
  So I can do all the amazing things that I was designed to do
• 27:13
  that I was created to do. I can I can show up knowing that
• 27:18
  I have a purpose. And so that really helps to like
• 27:21
  inspire me to really, you know, just love who I am.
• 27:26
  Not with this, not with a, a love where I'm just like so
• 27:30
  self-centered and focused on just myself, but really
• 27:33
  understanding that even with my mistakes, even with my flaws,
• 27:36
  even with my imperfections, my physical imperfections, all of
• 27:39
  that because our society has such a strong focus on having a
• 27:44
  perfect hair color, perfect eye color and perfect figure and the
• 27:47
  perfect clothing and everything is and everything is based
• 27:51
  around that. But that's such a minor part of
• 27:54
  who we are. We are, is, is is like what are
• 27:59
  our dreams? What are, what is our vision?
• 28:01
  What are, what are, what kind of, you know, what do we do that
• 28:05
  makes an impact on others? How do we show up and, and make
• 28:09
  a positive difference in the lives of people or animals or
• 28:12
  our environment, whatever it is that's important to us, right?
• 28:16
  So I think. That in doing that and knowing
• 28:18
  that it's like you really do connect to this is who I am,
• 28:22
  this is my work, this is this is deep inside of me.
• 28:26
  This is what I embrace and I hold.
• 28:28
  I grab onto that joyfully because I'm so bad to know that
• 28:33
  that's who I am, right? It's not about accepting.
• 28:36
  Oh well, it's not like a second place or last.
• 28:39
  You know, I, I got a, a trophy, but it's like it's the last
• 28:42
  prize or it's not like that. It's not showing up fully
• 28:46
  knowing that I am special and I have something to bring to the
• 28:50
  table. And every single woman does.
• 28:53
  Everyone does. It's just plugging into that and
• 28:56
  figuring out. And yesterday in a way to
• 28:58
  church, I told my husband. I said, you know, you know, I
• 29:01
  love animals. He goes, yeah, I know.
• 29:02
  I get this about you. We're clear on.
• 29:06
  That yeah. And I said, but you know.
• 29:09
  I was thinking about this and I've always like animals.
• 29:12
  I really think it's who God created me to be.
• 29:14
  I think I'm supposed to be doing this.
• 29:16
  It's part of my purpose. I'm here.
• 29:18
  I would tell people one of my ministries is take care of God's
• 29:20
  creatures on earth. And I do believe that because
• 29:23
  not just because I have a lot of pets, but because, because when
• 29:27
  I was a little girl, I love, you know, dolphins and I, when I, I
• 29:32
  would rescue stray animals when I was a child.
• 29:34
  And I just always, I just had this passion to help these
• 29:38
  animals in need. And so it's really part of who I
• 29:40
  am, you know, And so I, you now that I'm 64, it's like going
• 29:45
  back, it's like, Gee, this is probably some, I probably should
• 29:48
  have, instead of gone into sales, I probably should have
• 29:51
  become a veterinarian. That would have been great.
• 29:52
  You know, that would have really aligned with my purpose of my
• 29:55
  colleague and what my passion is, right?
• 29:57
  It doesn't, it's not too late. There's other ways I can help
• 29:59
  and I can achieve that. And I think that's important.
• 30:02
  For us to know too, yes. Yes.
• 30:05
  And you spoke so well to that embracing those parts of
• 30:08
  yourself. And we're going to come back to
• 30:09
  that in a bit when we talk about accepting the layered aspects of
• 30:12
  yourself because you have a very great understanding of this.
• 30:16
  But because you so you align so clearly with your why and your
• 30:20
  values and how you set up your time and what you pour yourself
• 30:24
  into, it really helps you to live out of your own
• 30:28
  expectations versus others is talk to me about because as
• 30:33
  people pleasers, that's usually something we have to move into.
• 30:36
  We spend a lot of time showing up in ways that other people
• 30:40
  want us to expect us to. And it takes some time for us to
• 30:44
  move into that. You know, I need to be the one
• 30:46
  defining this. And this comes from identifying
• 30:49
  healthy boundaries and knowing your why and values and sitting
• 30:52
  in the quiet and really listening and being in touch
• 30:55
  with and filling your cup. But he also feeding into what
• 30:59
  your purpose is. So talk to me about that, that
• 31:02
  transition into really living out of your own expectations
• 31:06
  versus others. Interesting you say that because
• 31:09
  I mentioned that it probably would have been great if I had
• 31:11
  become a veterinarian when I was a young, like maybe 1516 year
• 31:16
  old girl. My uncle was a doctor and he was
• 31:19
  quite a handsome man, if I say so myself.
• 31:21
  And I just crush on my uncle and so and I was interested in going
• 31:24
  to medical school and my parents thought, oh, they'd be so great.
• 31:27
  And we lived in the East Coast at the time in New York, and my
• 31:30
  parents thought, well, have you go to Brown University?
• 31:32
  It's this amazing medical school.
• 31:33
  It's in Rhode Island and Boston, wherever it's located.
• 31:36
  And so they were going to have me go to school there.
• 31:37
  And then I saw we then moved to California and when I was living
• 31:42
  in Southern California, I decided to go to Sonoma State
• 31:45
  University in the Bay Area because it was a great pre Med
• 31:48
  school. It was small.
• 31:49
  It had I think like a maybe 5000 students at the time were like
• 31:54
  UCLA had like 20,000 students. And I didn't want to be drowned
• 31:57
  with that many students my first time away from home.
• 32:00
  So I went to Sonoma State and as I was taking all these pre Med
• 32:03
  classes, I really struggled it really as much as I love.
• 32:07
  And I'm so thankful today because I don't agree with some
• 32:10
  of the direction that I see our medical system go into how much
• 32:13
  they're controlled by insurance companies, how much how they
• 32:16
  ignore really taking care of your body and being proactive.
• 32:19
  It's more just about it's downstream instead of upstream.
• 32:23
  It's yeah, I just, I don't agree with it.
• 32:25
  So I'm so thankful I did not go into medicine.
• 32:28
  So it does not align with who I am or what I believe.
• 32:31
  And, and I just think it's it's tragic what's happened.
• 32:34
  But yeah, I, if I had really when I was 15, you know, or 18
• 32:38
  or 20, if I had embraced what I was really passionate about, and
• 32:41
  that is really, you know, like animals and taking care of
• 32:45
  animals, I would have still been able to go into medicine.
• 32:48
  But from a perspective that really aligned with my passion
• 32:51
  for taking care of animals, Right.
• 32:52
  So, and again, not that it's too late.
• 32:55
  There's other things that I can do in this time in my life where
• 32:57
  I can still, you know, walk in that purpose of who I'm meant to
• 33:02
  be. But it's just an example of how
• 33:05
  we can go through our whole life disconnected from who we are
• 33:09
  because we were trying to lift up to somebody else's
• 33:11
  expectations. I got married young to my first
• 33:15
  husband, dropped out of school. My parents were very upset about
• 33:19
  that. So obviously I wasn't going to
• 33:20
  become the 1st doctor of their children.
• 33:23
  And so that was very upsetting. My brothers didn't become
• 33:26
  doctors either. So none of us became doctors.
• 33:28
  And, you know, very upsetting to my my poor Jewish mom, but you
• 33:32
  know, but anyway, but, but that was that was their dream.
• 33:36
  They thought that they were trying us help us fulfill our
• 33:40
  dream. But even then, as a as a
• 33:43
  teenager, I knew that I was being pushed in a direction that
• 33:47
  did not sit right with me. It didn't resonate with me.
• 33:51
  And I think we all have that gut feeling.
• 33:54
  We all know when something is like this just doesn't, I don't
• 33:57
  know. You may not know what it is.
• 33:59
  I may not have recognized I'm not meant to go to medical
• 34:03
  school to be a medical doctor, right, or whatever.
• 34:06
  You might not know, but you get this gut and you go, there's
• 34:09
  just something that doesn't sit right with me and we need to
• 34:11
  listen. I think that often speaks to us
• 34:15
  internally like that. We get that that.
• 34:18
  And I always tell people, I said, you know, I'm a firm
• 34:20
  believer that the Holy Spirit leads by peace.
• 34:22
  He guides by peace. If we're feeling angst, if we're
• 34:26
  feeling, Oh, I should I do this? You need to sit on it and just
• 34:33
  you be still and you just have to God, you showed me if I'm
• 34:35
  supposed to do this because I am not feeling peace about this.
• 34:37
  And if you that peace never comes, then I think we need to
• 34:40
  walk away and recognize that that is not the the direction
• 34:45
  we're supposed to go in. You know, and that would if if
• 34:47
  we would do that, we're a lot younger than more.
• 34:51
  And I think that's what I'm so passionate about.
• 34:53
  And that's why I was so thrilled when you and I met because one
• 34:56
  of my passions is to help women. Hey, let me help you shortcut
• 34:59
  the process. Don't wait till you're 50 or 60
• 35:02
  before you figure out who you're meant to be, because you can
• 35:04
  figure it out when you're way younger and live a life that is
• 35:08
  so fulfilling. And not that my life has not
• 35:10
  been fulfilling, but I think I could have achieved so much more
• 35:14
  that aligned with my purpose. I probably would have got, not
• 35:17
  got married to people that were the wrong fit for me because
• 35:20
  they didn't align with my purpose.
• 35:21
  So it it, it, it connects to every area of our life and
• 35:24
  everything we do. Yeah.
• 35:27
  And and you just. Defined so much of the reason
• 35:30
  and the core reason I got into this I'm like, let's have these
• 35:33
  conversations. Let's get this information in
• 35:36
  the in the hands and the hearts and the heads of our young women
• 35:41
  and and it's so that they have this understanding framework
• 35:46
  from the get go because because it's so important, you know,
• 35:50
  things that are more feeling angst and fear that is that's
• 35:55
  trying to tell us something, you know, that's like.
• 35:59
  They. Are and trust that, listen to
• 36:02
  that, pay attention to that. It's there for a reason.
• 36:06
  I'm so glad you brought that up. So important.
• 36:08
  Thank you so much for that. Such great examples and so
• 36:11
  relatable. All right, you've spoken to this
• 36:14
  already, but we're going to revisit it, accepting the
• 36:17
  layered aspects of ourselves, you know, all those pieces and
• 36:21
  parts that make up who we are, the parts we love, the parts we
• 36:25
  don't. You talk, you know, we just
• 36:26
  talked about, you know, if I'd known what I or trusted then
• 36:31
  what I know now, there's some relationship choices I wouldn't
• 36:34
  have made. We, I, we all have those pieces.
• 36:36
  I've got a relationship choice that I made in my senior year of
• 36:41
  high school. But like, Oh no, what?
• 36:44
  Was I? Thinking and also given where I
• 36:48
  was at the time and what I knew, I understand that.
• 36:51
  So I think that you talked about that earlier, embracing,
• 36:55
  realizing we can learn from those mistakes and I'm really
• 36:58
  approaching them with curiosity rather than judgment.
• 37:02
  So we're not shrouded in shame around them or embarrassment or
• 37:05
  wanting to hide them or not process them and move through
• 37:09
  them. You've got a really firm good
• 37:11
  understanding of that. When would you say you got there
• 37:15
  to that understanding of this importance of embracing?
• 37:20
  I would, I would sadly have to say it probably was not until I
• 37:24
  was in my mid 40s. Yeah, yeah, you know, and, and
• 37:30
  that thinking back, that's pretty tragic that I spent, you
• 37:33
  know, the 1st 4045 years of my life not embracing who I am, not
• 37:38
  embracing my my true values, not living in alignment with what
• 37:43
  was really most important to me. Trying to live based on others
• 37:46
  expectations, trying to please other people.
• 37:48
  I mean, when you look back on it, you're thinking, what was I
• 37:50
  thinking? Right?
• 37:52
  Why would I try and live my life to please other people?
• 37:55
  Why would I live my life based on others expectations or what
• 37:58
  they think is important? Why would I do that?
• 38:00
  But we are raised in with those expectations so often so subtly
• 38:06
  placed upon us that we don't recognize that that's what we're
• 38:10
  doing and we think that we're getting because there is a very
• 38:13
  fine line. We do want to be open and
• 38:17
  receptive to ideas. And maybe maybe someone like
• 38:22
  makes a suggestion like, oh, I never thought about doing that
• 38:26
  with my career. I'll have to check into that.
• 38:28
  I never thought about, you know, someone told like when I was
• 38:30
  writing a book, I was like when I started writing my book, I'm
• 38:33
  thinking, I don't even like reading books.
• 38:35
  I listen to audio books because I, I don't sit my attention.
• 38:38
  Well, just to sit and read unless I want to go to sleep
• 38:41
  because it kind of puts me to sleep.
• 38:43
  That's not my thing. So I'm like, why would I write a
• 38:45
  book? I don't even like to read books.
• 38:47
  Why would I write one? Well, I'm writing, I'm reading.
• 38:50
  I'm sorry, not reading. I'm writing 3.
• 38:52
  I'm writing storybook, which is a gift that my cousins gave me,
• 38:55
  which sends you like questions every week and you answer it and
• 38:58
  something you pass on to your family.
• 39:00
  I'm writing my own life story, which I haven't come up with a
• 39:02
  title yet. You and I might have to talk
• 39:04
  about that one. And then I'm writing a
• 39:06
  children's book. So I'm writing three different
• 39:08
  books and I'm thinking. And when I was at a women's
• 39:11
  retreat about a year and a half ago, this woman said, you know,
• 39:15
  I believe that God has called a lot of you women sitting in this
• 39:17
  room to do things that or has spoken promises into your life
• 39:22
  that you have not fulfilled yet. I want you to sit and pray and
• 39:25
  ask God what those things are. Well, God has spoken many things
• 39:28
  into my life, many promises, and you and I could discuss those on
• 39:31
  another call or another copy. But.
• 39:34
  He has spoken many things into my life that have not come to
• 39:37
  pass yet, which I'm very excited about.
• 39:41
  But when I sat there to pray, the Lord said to me, get back to
• 39:45
  writing your book. And I'm like, seriously, God.
• 39:49
  What was the answer I was looking for?
• 39:51
  No, it was not. It was the least the the least
• 39:54
  expected answer and really what I didn't want to hear.
• 39:57
  And I was and I had been writing for a couple of years and I was
• 40:01
  stuck and I was like, Lord, if you want me to get back to
• 40:03
  writing this book, you're going to have to give me.
• 40:05
  So here I am arguing with God, right?
• 40:07
  You're going to have to give me some fresh ideas because I have
• 40:09
  no clue what to write. I'm totally stuck at this point.
• 40:12
  Well, the next morning I woke up and it was like.
• 40:14
  All these ideas and I started writing stuff down and I had
• 40:17
  chapters that I was able to write from that one
• 40:20
  conversation. All these things that what about
• 40:23
  this, what about this? What I was like, Oh my gosh, you
• 40:25
  know, so, so we have to be open to being to receiving direction
• 40:32
  and we have to be open to changing direction, you know,
• 40:37
  because sometimes we have to leave something behind and we'll
• 40:40
  come back and revisit that. And we have to be OK with with
• 40:43
  letting go of things. I think that as women, sometimes
• 40:45
  we don't like to let go of things and that leads to us
• 40:49
  being overburdened. So, so knowing where we are and
• 40:55
  knowing where we are in this particular season is important
• 41:00
  because there are things that we could do last year or five years
• 41:05
  ago that is not what we're supposed to be doing right now.
• 41:08
  And so you have to really, that's why that's sitting and
• 41:11
  being quiet and really figuring out what does that look like.
• 41:15
  Yeah. Is this, is this something I
• 41:17
  need to let go of totally at this point in my life?
• 41:21
  Or is this something I need to be let go of for a time and
• 41:24
  maybe I can pick it back up again?
• 41:26
  Yeah. And that's part of, you know,
• 41:28
  accepting those layers of ourselves because we can't just
• 41:30
  keep putting things on top of, you know, and you're talking
• 41:33
  about layers. We're putting layer upon layer
• 41:35
  upon layer, right? If we eventually we're going to
• 41:37
  be so burdened down because we have all these things on top of
• 41:41
  us. And sometimes you go, oh, I need
• 41:43
  to take this layer off so I can take on this layer.
• 41:47
  And that's refreshing. And it's easy, right?
• 41:50
  That that yoke is light. It's easy to carry.
• 41:53
  So it's not, it's not burdensome, but we start to feel
• 41:56
  burdensome. That's when we know that I, I,
• 42:00
  that's a, that's a clear, that's like, that's God's way of going
• 42:03
  Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, hello, you're.
• 42:04
  Taking off your batch, you know, so and we need to pay attention
• 42:07
  to that yeah, 1000% oh, so many good things there I mean, first
• 42:12
  everything I think is that learning to.
• 42:14
  You know, for me, I was really age 50.
• 42:17
  That got my attention and I really started doing the work I
• 42:20
  needed to do to live as my full authentic self, go on the
• 42:25
  healing journey. I needed to all those things.
• 42:27
  And it's hard to to, you know, not look back and be like, if I
• 42:32
  could have just been in the space then that I am now with
• 42:37
  this situation and and having to like hold the nuance of I
• 42:42
  wasn't. And given where I was at the
• 42:44
  time, I did the best I could. And also this is.
• 42:47
  Where? I'm at now, so this is.
• 42:49
  Where I can operate? From and I and I will be the
• 42:52
  healthiest version and do the best I can from here moving
• 42:55
  forward and being able to, you know, hold that nuance and
• 42:58
  acceptance. But I I've loved how you pointed
• 43:01
  out that we continue to have things to come up because life
• 43:05
  does not stop so many times. There's so many narratives and
• 43:09
  culture about and it's getting better, partly because I think
• 43:12
  our generation is speaking to it so well and so loudly.
• 43:16
  There is life after 405060708090, however long it is
• 43:22
  you are designed to be on this earth.
• 43:24
  There is purpose, there's opportunity to learn, there's
• 43:27
  opportunity to grow, and there's opportunity to continue to live
• 43:31
  out the different parts of your life that you were designed to.
• 43:34
  So continuing to say open to that, receiving that, being
• 43:39
  excited about that is such a great motivator to continue to
• 43:44
  show up authentically every day regardless of our age or season.
• 43:50
  I think also too, you mentioned something that made me think
• 43:53
  about this and that is that it is OK.
• 43:56
  There are times in our, there are seasons and times in our
• 43:58
  life where we need to just have that time to not do anything, to
• 44:03
  just rest and to be OK with that, right?
• 44:06
  To be OK with not being busy. Sometimes we stay busy because
• 44:10
  we don't want to feel emotions. We don't want to, you know, and
• 44:13
  sometimes we, the emotions that we're, we think we're feeling
• 44:18
  are not really the emotion. It's more of a reaction to
• 44:21
  something that triggered an emotion, but it's not maybe
• 44:24
  we're feeling angry about something, but really the
• 44:26
  emotion is that we're feeling rejection, you know, So I think
• 44:29
  that we need to recognize that sometimes we need to give
• 44:32
  ourselves the grace and really take care of ourselves and allow
• 44:35
  that quiet, non busy time to refresh us.
• 44:40
  So that when those busier times come, that we have the energy
• 44:44
  and the fortitude and the the drive and the motivation and the
• 44:47
  excitement to move forward with, with enthusiasm and, and with,
• 44:51
  you know, bring our best selves forward because we are rested
• 44:54
  and we're in a good place when we don't allow us to have that
• 44:57
  time. And we all need those breaks.
• 44:59
  You know, we can't just go, go, go, go, go.
• 45:02
  You know, Bible, they talk about having a Sabbath, right?
• 45:04
  Like having a day to rest and like God agreed the worst in six
• 45:07
  days and he rested. If God needed to rest on the
• 45:09
  day, I think it's probably a good sign that we probably need
• 45:11
  to have a day to rest, right? You're saying, but it's just,
• 45:14
  but really, we need to have that.
• 45:15
  And in our society today, everything is go, go, go, you
• 45:19
  know, Oh, I let me see my calendar.
• 45:21
  I've got appointments from 9:00 to 1:00 and then, but I'm free
• 45:24
  from 1:00 to 2:00. I'm busy at 2:00, I'm busy at
• 45:27
  4435. But from 1:00 to 2:00 or from
• 45:29
  2:30 to 3:00, I've got a window. I can fit you in there, right?
• 45:32
  No, no, stop, stop, right? Take a breath, right?
• 45:37
  Don't. Don't book yourself so that
• 45:39
  you're so crazy busy. Because there's nothing wrong
• 45:42
  with having moments to rest in our day.
• 45:45
  There's nothing wrong with having a Saturday or a Sunday or
• 45:47
  a weekend. We have nothing on the calendar,
• 45:50
  right? You don't have to go anywhere.
• 45:53
  Need that time. And we need to be able to take
• 45:55
  care of ourselves and to recognize that there are time,
• 45:57
  there are seasons and times that we have to allow that, you know,
• 46:02
  in our lives. And I think people in general,
• 46:05
  but certainly women are afraid to do that because they feel
• 46:07
  like they're not doing enough. They're not giving enough.
• 46:10
  They're not being their full self.
• 46:13
  But again, it's like you're working in this vicious circle.
• 46:15
  You have to allow yourself to do that in order to be your best
• 46:18
  self. It's private formula.
• 46:20
  It is 1000. Percent and some people call,
• 46:23
  you know, there's sometimes it's referred to as the winter of
• 46:26
  your life. We need a winter, a time to
• 46:29
  snuggle in and get warm and get quiet and listen and not move.
• 46:37
  A lot. Other than in the space that
• 46:40
  makes us feel rejuvenated and healthy.
• 46:43
  And it's so unorthodox for our society to take that time to
• 46:49
  repeal. But also you said something so
• 46:51
  important. We get so uncomfortable with the
• 46:54
  uncomfortable and we need to be able to sit with that discomfort
• 46:59
  and let us know where it's coming from.
• 47:02
  So because if we don't allow space to move through process
• 47:06
  identify that heal that it will continue to show up in harmful
• 47:10
  ways in other spaces. And if that's such and we want
• 47:15
  to make sure that no one else is receiving the poison from that
• 47:23
  unhealed space. And so I'm so glad you brought
• 47:26
  that up. That's such a powerful reminder.
• 47:29
  And so if you are feeling, I was watching something yesterday
• 47:34
  and, and it was a show where a woman was really just like
• 47:37
  scrambling to like, I don't know how to show up right now.
• 47:40
  I don't know who I am. And she had a new baby and and
• 47:44
  the woman said to her, why don't you just focus on being you and
• 47:51
  his mom right now and just enjoy this space.
• 47:55
  Enjoy this in between instead of feeling like you've got to be
• 48:00
  clamoring and grabbing for more. Maybe you're more isn't ready
• 48:04
  for you yet or you aren't ready for your more yet.
• 48:07
  So why don't you just enjoy this thing that you've wanted for so
• 48:11
  long you spent so many years waiting for and just show up and
• 48:16
  be your authentic self in this moment with him.
• 48:20
  And it was such a good reminder of like, it doesn't always.
• 48:23
  We have this idea in our culture that a full calendar and not
• 48:27
  having a full calendar means we're unproductive, right?
• 48:30
  And being productive is overrated because just because
• 48:35
  you're productive doesn't mean you're feeding into your purpose
• 48:39
  or showing up in the way the world needs you to.
• 48:43
  It just means you're checking things off a list.
• 48:46
  And if you're just productive all the time with no time to
• 48:49
  fill your cup or. Quiet or listen?
• 48:51
  Then what does, what does that productive really mean or look
• 48:54
  like? And so, yeah, thank you so much
• 48:58
  for that. So good, so good.
• 49:01
  Oh, great, great, great comments that you made too.
• 49:04
  And I think that you know that you meant to something about
• 49:08
  when you're not processing emotions correctly, you're not
• 49:11
  allowing yourself that time to heal that they both come back
• 49:14
  and they are like poison. It's kind of like your emotions
• 49:16
  are kind of like tires in a in a junkyard, right?
• 49:19
  They keep surfacing. They don't never really go away
• 49:22
  until you're completely figure out what was that about?
• 49:26
  Why did I react that way? Why did I get into that
• 49:30
  situation that allowed me to get hurt that way?
• 49:32
  Or in that situation, you know, how could I have done it better?
• 49:37
  And then when you allow yourself to fully heal, then you are able
• 49:41
  to step forward. And those don't come back and
• 49:43
  haunt you. Those, those old hurts don't
• 49:45
  come back and haunt your present.
• 49:47
  And we all want to be able to grow because we all are like you
• 49:50
  said, whether you're 506789, we all have the opportunity every
• 49:54
  every day to wake up. And my dad used to say every day
• 49:57
  on the side of the dirt is a good day, right?
• 49:59
  And so and, and grow and grab on.
• 50:03
  I used to tell my daughter, you know, life is an adventure.
• 50:05
  Grab on to every opportunity you can that comes your way.
• 50:09
  So when you're an old, old woman sitting on your rocking chair
• 50:12
  and reliving your memories, you'll have a life full of
• 50:14
  memories to look back on. Don't just be someone that
• 50:18
  observes other people living their life to the fullest.
• 50:21
  You go live your life to the fullest, right?
• 50:23
  Because then are you creating the best life for you?
• 50:27
  But you're impacting so many others in such a powerful way.
• 50:30
  Yeah. Yeah, so good.
• 50:32
  Oh, Cheryl, thank you for all of that.
• 50:34
  So much good there. All right.
• 50:36
  This is really, I think really wraps things up really well.
• 50:40
  But in living out feel, which you do so well, finding
• 50:43
  empowerment, embracing layers, talk to me about how that has
• 50:47
  impacted your relationship with yourself as well as your
• 50:51
  relationship with other people. That is a great question and I
• 50:58
  love your acting. And by the way, I think that is
• 51:00
  awesome. Thank you.
• 51:02
  I think that. You know, we've talked about
• 51:04
  this a lot. I think it's important that we
• 51:07
  joyfully embrace who we really are, that we take the time to
• 51:12
  really discover who we are and we have.
• 51:14
  We embrace who that is. We may not today like everything
• 51:19
  about ourselves, and that's okay.
• 51:21
  It's okay because we can change, we can grow, we can become, you
• 51:25
  know, better at things that maybe we're not excelling in
• 51:28
  today, right? But and a very simple example of
• 51:32
  that, which is not an important thing, but my learning Italian,
• 51:34
  I've been trying to learn Italian for a decade and just in
• 51:39
  the last couple of months, all of a sudden I read something in
• 51:41
  Italian. It's like, Oh, I know what that
• 51:43
  said, I can just look at it. I know what they're, I know what
• 51:45
  they're talking about. This is so it, it clicked right.
• 51:48
  So sometimes it's a it's process and you and you made a very good
• 51:51
  statement that one of the things that we need to do is is to for
• 51:56
  us to be able to show up as more for us to be able to connect
• 52:01
  with others in a healthy way. We have to, you know, know all
• 52:06
  those things we've talked about, know our core value, know who we
• 52:09
  are, know what our strengths and weaknesses are.
• 52:11
  So we know what our gifts are, what we're, what we're meant to
• 52:14
  share. We know what our our why is,
• 52:16
  what our purposes, know what our weaknesses are, so that we know
• 52:20
  maybe what we need to work on, right?
• 52:22
  Maybe, you know, we're really impatient, you know, So one of
• 52:26
  the things that I have to always work on with my husband, I'm
• 52:28
  Italian and in my family, I am not a talkative person.
• 52:33
  I know that's hard to believe. People are shocked when I tell
• 52:35
  them that. But in my family, I could not
• 52:38
  get a word in edgewise with my grandfather.
• 52:40
  OK, My husband comes from a German family who they're not
• 52:44
  real talkative and they don't like, they don't talk.
• 52:47
  So it's more like, here's the talking stick.
• 52:49
  It's now your turn to talk. And that's just so odd to me.
• 52:53
  I'm like, I can't, I communicate like that.
• 52:55
  So my husband and I are always having this go around of me
• 52:59
  interrupting him, right, because I don't talk that way.
• 53:02
  We have very different communication styles, but part
• 53:05
  of me embracing the layers and, and figuring out who I am and,
• 53:10
  and really wanting to be the best self that I could be, the
• 53:14
  best Cheryl that I could be is to learn that I need to
• 53:17
  recognize that I need to be able to and it's not all on me.
• 53:21
  I mean, he also has to learn this too, but we have to learn
• 53:23
  how to respect that. I need sometimes when I'm
• 53:26
  feeling like I want to interject, that I need just to
• 53:29
  say, you know, take a breath, like I said, pause and allow him
• 53:34
  to have that time. So he feels valued, he feels
• 53:37
  important, he feels listened to, right?
• 53:39
  So my journey impacts my husband because it helps me to better be
• 53:46
  a better wife, better partner for him.
• 53:48
  It helps me to show up better as someone when I go to church,
• 53:52
  that I can better serve others and be compassionate because
• 53:55
  I've gone through things that other women are sharing with me,
• 53:58
  some of the stories and struggles that they're going
• 53:59
  through. And it's like me too.
• 54:01
  Let me share there with you my story and how God showed up in
• 54:05
  my life and how I agree to that and how it gets better on the
• 54:09
  other side. I promise, I promise it always
• 54:11
  gets better, even if you can't see it yet.
• 54:14
  Yeah, helps me to become that person where I can show up and I
• 54:17
  can help those animals. I mean, I've thought about,
• 54:20
  well, should I go back to work right now or because I'm retired
• 54:22
  right now, should I go back to work?
• 54:23
  And, you know, everything's expensive right now.
• 54:25
  Everyone's struggling financially.
• 54:27
  I mean, and money's tight for everybody, right?
• 54:28
  It's just tighter because things are more expensive.
• 54:30
  And so, but every, every time I apply for anything, it's like
• 54:33
  the door shut. It's like up here, this is not
• 54:35
  the door that dad wants me to walk in.
• 54:37
  But, you know, if I because if I was working full time, I
• 54:40
  wouldn't have the time to be here today at, you know, 11:00
• 54:43
  in the morning. Yeah.
• 54:44
  I wouldn't have the time to drive down to Southern
• 54:47
  California to rescue a dog that we need to save that so she's
• 54:50
  not euthanized. I wouldn't be able to take off
• 54:53
  time in the middle of the week and go see my grandson.
• 54:55
  I wouldn't be able to do those things.
• 54:58
  So. I love that the where I'm at and
• 55:02
  embracing that and accepting that and going this is not just
• 55:06
  OK, this is this is great. This is a really great thing.
• 55:10
  This is not just an OK place that it's like, oh, I'm OK for
• 55:13
  now. No, it's like I'm thrilled where
• 55:16
  I'm at because it allows me to do these things that I could not
• 55:18
  do otherwise. Yeah.
• 55:20
  And then we can when we are able to.
• 55:22
  Do that, then that's when we can bring that best self.
• 55:24
  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, great examples there.
• 55:28
  And I, I always tell women when I'm working with them, you know,
• 55:31
  when I bring this framework to them as something to, you know,
• 55:34
  all right, we're going to give you a framework to help you
• 55:36
  really live as your most authentic, healthy self, You
• 55:40
  know, trusting yourself, all those things.
• 55:42
  I always say this work starts with you first.
• 55:45
  You're not getting, you know. And so it's so important, those
• 55:48
  pieces of knowing who you are, embracing your value, your
• 55:52
  layers, communicating your expectations and healthy
• 55:55
  boundaries, putting time for yourself in your calendar each
• 55:59
  day. Don't feel that one to two.
• 56:01
  Use it as a time to walk around the block, step outside, take a
• 56:05
  breath, do a meditation, just sit in the quiet.
• 56:09
  I try to daily. I don't always.
• 56:11
  I will put my, you talked about timers earlier.
• 56:13
  I can totally relate to this. I'll put my timer on for 10
• 56:16
  minutes and usually if it's not too hot, we're in Fresno so
• 56:20
  we're about to get you home. I will go outside in an area
• 56:23
  underneath my patio that's in the shade and just sit out there
• 56:26
  for 10 minutes. Listen.
• 56:28
  To the birds wrestling through the trees.
• 56:31
  You know, and just no noise, no podcast, no phone, no music, no
• 56:35
  phone conversation, just quiet to let everything settle.
• 56:40
  And so it's doing those things and understanding that about
• 56:44
  ourselves and and how we can fill our needs because we I
• 56:49
  think we have to learn over time the in relationships, those
• 56:52
  relationships aren't there to feel avoid.
• 56:56
  They're there to be a choice to add to our life and for us to
• 57:00
  add to their life. When we've done this work with
• 57:03
  ourselves, we can show up that way in those relationships.
• 57:07
  And you give some great examples.
• 57:08
  I get the whole not being the loudest person in your family
• 57:13
  and people not believing it. That is me in a nutshell.
• 57:16
  I had to fight and claw to be heard in my family.
• 57:20
  And so interrupting is a very real thing I've had to work on
• 57:24
  in communication. Most of the time it's I get
• 57:27
  excited about something and I want to jump in, but also
• 57:29
  because I want to make sure I'm heard.
• 57:31
  And my husband and I've got a lot of back and forth about that
• 57:34
  over the years. He's just like.
• 57:37
  Right and. So yeah, I feel like I realize
• 57:41
  like, Oh my gosh, for for him, it's like I have to listen.
• 57:45
  I have to let him be seen and heard and, and be and it's OK to
• 57:50
  listen. I'm going to get my opportunity.
• 57:52
  He's not going to shut me down. Other people that I'm in
• 57:56
  communication with, I'm going to get my moment but listen
• 57:59
  intentionally instead of planning my response and being
• 58:03
  ready to jump in because that way I can actually respond
• 58:07
  accordingly or. Do.
• 58:10
  Do I need to respond or do they just need someone to listen to
• 58:14
  them in that moment so many times?
• 58:17
  And so I was like chuckling to myself.
• 58:19
  I'm like, so relate to that. So relate to that.
• 58:23
  So thank you. Thank you for that example and
• 58:25
  sharing that with us. All right.
• 58:28
  May I share with you a quick? Clip from a blog that I wrote
• 58:33
  back in October 2023. I told my husband I was going to
• 58:36
  go on a date with God. It was like have a great time
• 58:38
  I'll see you when you get home. Great because I really need to
• 58:41
  just have that time to be quiet with God and I knew with if I
• 58:44
  stayed home with the animals and there's always the laundry to do
• 58:47
  and the kitchen dishes, there was always something to do.
• 58:49
  I wanted to be alone, so I just got in the car and I drove and I
• 58:52
  just really trying to see where I was supposed to go.
• 58:55
  And I just. And I was driving along and I
• 58:57
  got to this beautiful pond. Never had seen this place
• 58:59
  before. And it just so happened it was
• 59:02
  in October. So the trees were beautiful and
• 59:04
  they were reflecting in the water.
• 59:05
  The water was very still and very calm.
• 59:07
  And the trees were just like a mirror.
• 59:10
  Yeah, we've been to Yosemite, you know, like Mirror Lake.
• 59:12
  It was like that. And so I was just waiting on God
• 59:16
  there. And the Lord spoke to me.
• 59:17
  He said, do you see the reflection in the trees?
• 59:19
  He said, that's how you and I are.
• 59:22
  You're the reflection of me. You're, you're not perfect, I'm
• 59:25
  perfect, but you're a reflection of me.
• 59:27
  And as he was telling me this, a breeze came and all of a sudden
• 59:30
  the water was stirred, right? And and he said, do you see the
• 59:33
  reflection of the trees now? And I said no.
• 59:37
  And he said, that is how it is with you.
• 59:39
  When, when things are clear in the stillness and quiet, you'll
• 59:43
  hear my voice. He goes, I don't compete for
• 59:45
  your attention. I'll patiently wait for you to
• 59:48
  lay aside your distractions so you can focus on me.
• 59:52
  And then it reminded me in the Bible.
• 59:54
  And I said, I read a lot in the Bible.
• 59:55
  So but in it was reminded me in the Old Testament, there's a
• 59:59
  story where Elijah was, was waiting to hear from God.
• 1:00:04
  And there was a great and mighty wind that was tearing at the
• 1:00:07
  mountains and it was shattering the cliffs and but God wasn't in
• 1:00:09
  the wind. And then there was after the
• 1:00:11
  wind, there was this massive earthquake and the earth was
• 1:00:13
  shaking and but God was not in the earthquake.
• 1:00:17
  And then there was this huge fire that took place, but God
• 1:00:20
  was not in the fire and. To the fire there was a soft,
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  quiet whisper and that's where he heard God.
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  And so it's in that stillness. It's so important.
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  You know, I always joke around because Psalm 4610 says be still
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  and know that I'm God. And I always joke.
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  And I said the be still part's the hardest part of the whole
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  verse because, right, it's so hard to be still.
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  And what you said is so true. We have to be still.
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  We have to take that time to allow ourselves to hear, to
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  allow ourselves to just be and to be OK with that.
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  And it's hard when you're not used to that.
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  It's very hard to be still. But once you engage in that
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  practice and you're, you're able to do that, there's nothing
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  better because it refreshes every.
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  It's like a fountain of water that like refreshes your soul.
• 1:01:07
  It refreshes your life. It just energizes you.
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  It's just so amazing. And there's nothing like it.
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  There's nothing that can compete.
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  And, and I said, and that is the, the, the biggest thing I
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  think we don't see in people's eyes today because they're so
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  connected to their phone, they're so connected to their
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  iPad, their Apple Watch, whatever, they can constantly
• 1:01:24
  look at their watch, check their texts, whatever.
• 1:01:26
  And so it's, it's hard to get away from all the noise.
• 1:01:30
  But when we do, that's when we can really connect with
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  ourselves and our purpose. And yeah, yeah.
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  So good. Yeah, absolutely.
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  It's that and and I think going back to, you know, that's where
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  things really refresh and our and our nervous system settles.
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  Like it's a whole piece of it. Like it.
• 1:01:52
  You know, if you've been going, going, going and you can just
• 1:01:56
  operate here all day and you might get a lot done, but you're
• 1:02:00
  not that's that hyper vigilant. Go mode is not a great place for
• 1:02:05
  your nervous system to stay in. We weren't designed to stay in
• 1:02:08
  that. And so giving ourselves this
• 1:02:11
  space to settle and, and sometimes we need to retrack.
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  You know, I think one thing I have learned in this is that
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  there are days this happened with you and I where I needed
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  to, I had settled, I'd listened and I needed to reach out and be
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  like, something's come up today with my family and I, I need to
• 1:02:32
  reschedule this. I need to tend to this.
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  And I needed to tend to myself in this.
• 1:02:38
  And I was, I would not have done that 7-8 years ago.
• 1:02:42
  I would have like, Oh my gosh, I've got this on my calendar.
• 1:02:45
  I need to honor Cheryl's time. I have to do this.
• 1:02:47
  And I, it wouldn't have been the conversation it needed to be
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  because I wouldn't have been fully present as much as I would
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  have tried. And so, yeah, I just don't be
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  afraid to take that space. And you bring up.
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  A great point, Melissa, the very first time you and I got
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  together one-on-one, we met for coffee and I was rushing out the
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  door. I was like, I don't have time
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  for makeup. I don't have time to put
• 1:03:12
  anything fancy. I'm throwing on this sport and
• 1:03:14
  this T-shirt and out the door we go, right?
• 1:03:16
  And when I got there, you showed up in sweats.
• 1:03:18
  I think you're just gonna work out, right?
• 1:03:20
  And I thought, thank God. Thank God that she can just be
• 1:03:23
  real. Don't be afraid to be real.
• 1:03:25
  Don't be. Don't have to put on airs and
• 1:03:27
  pretend that you're if you know, if your day is hectic and hey, I
• 1:03:30
  barely got my teeth brushed and put clothes on before I got out
• 1:03:32
  the door, That's OK. It's OK.
• 1:03:34
  You don't have to be perfect to show up and be yourself and have
• 1:03:37
  people in your life that know that that you don't have to be
• 1:03:41
  perfect, right? Don't, don't.
• 1:03:42
  If you put people in your life and they expect that every time
• 1:03:45
  when you show up that you're perfectly quaffed in your dress.
• 1:03:48
  I mean, I told you I have a house full of pets.
• 1:03:50
  I have cats and dogs. I'm helping my husband
• 1:03:52
  demolition thing at our patio this afternoon.
• 1:03:55
  I'm dressed up for you this morning because I knew I was
• 1:03:57
  going to be on this podcast, right?
• 1:03:59
  I normally do not look like this.
• 1:04:00
  I don't show up like this and it's OK.
• 1:04:02
  You know, it's fun when I do. I love it because it's like, oh,
• 1:04:05
  this is kind of fun. I get they dress up today.
• 1:04:07
  This is cool. But normally I'm in my jeans or
• 1:04:09
  sweats or my swimsuit and whatever and I'm just there, you
• 1:04:13
  know, I don't have makeup on. And it's OK because, you know,
• 1:04:16
  people just need to be OK with just you show up as who you are
• 1:04:19
  and, and people that the people that are meant to be in your
• 1:04:22
  life will love you for who you are, not for who you pretend to
• 1:04:25
  be. Yeah.
• 1:04:27
  Yeah. That's safe space where you can
• 1:04:30
  land with for each other. Absolutely so good.
• 1:04:32
  Thank you so much for that. All right, we are down to the
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  rapid fire. Name 5.
• 1:04:39
  Activities that nourish you 5. Activities that nourish me well,
• 1:04:46
  I said it's the main time with God.
• 1:04:47
  That's going to be my number one.
• 1:04:48
  I start every day that way. So that's my number one.
• 1:04:51
  I love to enjoy time in nature. I love to enjoy.
• 1:04:56
  I love adventures. So whether it's going on a
• 1:04:58
  picnic on an unexpected Dr. somewhere, working with the
• 1:05:02
  homeless, I've done that before, spending time with family and
• 1:05:05
  friends. My husband and I went on a drive
• 1:05:07
  one time and it was so fun because it was some ways we'd
• 1:05:10
  not gone before. So every time we'd get to a bend
• 1:05:13
  in the road, like if we had to take a street or or turn right
• 1:05:16
  or left, he'd say which way I go, let's go left.
• 1:05:18
  And then the next time he would go, I go, which way should we
• 1:05:21
  go? Yeah, let's go left again.
• 1:05:22
  OK. And we got back in the in the
• 1:05:24
  hills and then we were on this rickety little Rd. that was
• 1:05:27
  barely find there for our truck to get through.
• 1:05:30
  But it was an adventure and we've had a great time and it's
• 1:05:33
  one of our best memories, right? Because we just let it go, you
• 1:05:36
  know, So that's what we do. I enjoy painting, I watercolor.
• 1:05:41
  So I do enjoy that at music, like I said, studying languages.
• 1:05:45
  So yeah, those are things that really spend time with all my
• 1:05:48
  fur babies, that all those things like nurturing.
• 1:05:51
  Yeah, so good. All right, 5 words on how you
• 1:05:54
  want to feel the next six months.
• 1:05:58
  I had to really think about this one.
• 1:05:59
  This was I, you know, it's I don't.
• 1:06:02
  And when I, when I saw this, I felt like I'm pretty, I'm not
• 1:06:06
  spot on, but I'm pretty good here.
• 1:06:07
  I can, you know, you sent me kind of an idea of what the
• 1:06:11
  general outline would be of our conversation.
• 1:06:12
  I thought, I'm totally good with this.
• 1:06:14
  This is going to be, you know, pretty natural.
• 1:06:16
  And then I got this last question.
• 1:06:17
  I'm like, oh, this is a hard one.
• 1:06:19
  I really think I'm like, wow, kind of caught me a surprise. 5
• 1:06:24
  words. I would like to feel, I would
• 1:06:26
  like to feel joyful in all circumstances.
• 1:06:30
  That's something hard. So.
• 1:06:32
  I would like to feel refreshed, which means I'll probably get
• 1:06:35
  more asleep tonight that I did last night.
• 1:06:37
  So that's a good thing. I would like to be content, not
• 1:06:41
  satisfied because I think content is like I'm content
• 1:06:46
  where I am for now, but there's always great big bigger things
• 1:06:50
  ahead. There's always more so, so not
• 1:06:52
  necessarily satisfied because I always want to be not striving,
• 1:06:56
  but but moving forward to the next great chapter of my life,
• 1:07:01
  right? But content where I am for now,
• 1:07:03
  knowing as you said earlier, that sometimes that more hasn't
• 1:07:07
  happened yet because of something that maybe has to
• 1:07:09
  happen to us. Maybe it's something that has to
• 1:07:11
  happen to other people so that they can be lined up and be in
• 1:07:14
  the right place to connect with us at the right time.
• 1:07:17
  So sometimes it's the timing issue and I think it's hard
• 1:07:20
  sometimes to be patient for that.
• 1:07:22
  So I want to work on that. And then being sure, like sure
• 1:07:26
  in the sense of knowing that I'm living where I'm supposed to be,
• 1:07:31
  like walking and where I'm supposed to be at this moment at
• 1:07:33
  this time. So doing that and then
• 1:07:36
  accomplished and that would have to speak more to, I'd like to be
• 1:07:40
  more accomplished in my watercolor painting because
• 1:07:42
  they're pretty rudimentary. I would like to be more
• 1:07:45
  accomplished in my fluency and sign language in Italian insight
• 1:07:49
  reading. I'm taking music lessons as
• 1:07:51
  well. So I'd like to site read.
• 1:07:53
  So I'd like to be more accomplished in some of these
• 1:07:55
  things that I'm learning. I love that though, because the
• 1:07:59
  accomplished piece, I think, is so aligned with the things that
• 1:08:03
  you're wanting to be accomplished and are so aligned
• 1:08:05
  with who you are. They're so aligned with what
• 1:08:08
  lights you up and what you're about, what you value.
• 1:08:11
  So I'd love how you've been able to connect those in a very
• 1:08:14
  healthy way because accomplished can take on a lot of meanings
• 1:08:17
  for people. But when you align it with those
• 1:08:19
  things that are part of what you value, that are part of your
• 1:08:23
  why, that are part of who you are, it can be a really
• 1:08:25
  beautiful motivator, I think, you know, to continue down that
• 1:08:29
  path. So and I would should have on
• 1:08:32
  accomplish 2. One of my passions and one that
• 1:08:35
  I pray about often is that I always ask God to give me just
• 1:08:38
  like her open the windows of heaven.
• 1:08:39
  So I have tons of money because I want to open an animal
• 1:08:42
  sanctuary that will help animals around the country.
• 1:08:45
  So I would love that to be part of that accomplished too.
• 1:08:48
  I would love to see that that vision come to pass.
• 1:08:50
  I love that. To manifest that, let's go.
• 1:08:53
  Absolutely, absolutely. OK.
• 1:08:54
  All right, Cheryl, this has been such a great conversation.
• 1:08:58
  I knew from the really from the moment I met you like, oh,
• 1:09:01
  she'll be really, really a great guest on here on this platform.
• 1:09:06
  She's going to have so much wisdom and and not and resources
• 1:09:11
  and just really thoughtful, authentic thinking and
• 1:09:16
  conversation. And I appreciate that so much
• 1:09:19
  about you. Let women know how they can find
• 1:09:22
  you, follow you, learn more about you and this will be on
• 1:09:25
  our resources page at embracinglards.com as well.
• 1:09:28
  But there any places that people can engage with you?
• 1:09:32
  I have actually a website, cheryl-schultz.com.
• 1:09:36
  So, and if they go to that website, they, I in fact, I need
• 1:09:40
  to go in there and update some of my blogs, but they'll see my
• 1:09:42
  blogs, they'll see some of my recipes, they'll see some of my
• 1:09:44
  recommendations for travel and for pets and also ways that they
• 1:09:48
  can connect with me as well. OK, great.
• 1:09:51
  All right, thanks so much for being with me today.
• 1:09:53
  I've appreciated this conversation so much.
• 1:09:55
  Thank you, ladies. Your challenge to this week out
• 1:09:59
  of this is I want you to make sure you're taking a moment for
• 1:10:04
  yourself each day. Give yourself that space.
• 1:10:08
  You heard Cheryl and I talk about 5 minutes, 10 minutes, one
• 1:10:12
  hour. It matters.
• 1:10:14
  Put it in your calendar. Leave that space and time for
• 1:10:18
  you to refresh, to renew, to listen, to settle.
• 1:10:24
  I think it's just so much value in that.
• 1:10:27
  We appreciate you being here with us and listening today.
• 1:10:30
  Thanks again, Cheryl for this great conversation.
• 1:10:34
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• 1:10:54
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