Latest / The Realtor Who Wines / From Hobby to Heritage Farming | Meat Craftsmanship, Community & Food Education
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- 0:00Welcome to the Realtor Who Wines podcast.
- 0:02I'm Rashelle Newmeyer.
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- 0:30Cheers. Cheers.
- 0:32Thank you for having me today.
- 0:34I appreciate it.
- 0:38It's a little early here in Oregon City.
- 0:41So we're having coffee today.
- 0:42In case anyone is wondering what's in the mug.
- 0:44It's coffee.
- 0:45Nick, will you please introduce yourself to everyone?
- 0:48I'm Nick Clark and owner and operator of Mountain View Heritage.
- 0:54And I'm an aspiring meat smith.
- 0:57Aspiring.
- 0:58I would say you are meat smith.
- 0:59Why do you say aspiring?
- 1:02Because you're still learning.
- 1:03Yeah. Got a lot to learn.
- 1:05And I think it'd be presumptuous to, like, Crown yourself unofficial.
- 1:12Yeah, well, yeah. Well.
- 1:13And then in that way, I'm an aspiring realtor.
- 1:15Yeah, because I'm always learning.
- 1:18Yeah, well, and you're just. It's one of those things.
- 1:21You're just always learning.
- 1:21There is always something to learn. Yes.
- 1:23You know, tell me a little bit about your journey and to becoming an aspiring meat smith. Oh, it started, like most things, with Covid and the big C.
- 1:37Yeah, boredom, a fantastic property.
- 1:42And I knew I wanted to get into raising animals and I almost had cows.
- 1:49And then I realized I only like a little bit of beef.
- 1:54Yeah.
- 1:54Like when eating it.
- 1:56Yeah, yeah, but I like all of the pig.
- 1:59I was like, and pigs are cool. Yeah.
- 2:02And then I thought, I need to know.
- 2:05I need to know how to do this.
- 2:06I don't want to stumble through this and, like, waste a bunch of pigs or meat or anything.
- 2:14And so I got on the almighty internet and found Hand-hewn Farm in Ohio, which was one of the only places that would take a live pig all the way to the the table.
- 2:29And that's what I needed.
- 2:31I was like, I need to know how to shoot it, how to kill it, how to process it, the whole thing.
- 2:37I don't want just oh, we put a slab of pork in front of you, and then we'll show you how to cut the whole thing.
- 2:45Yeah, yeah. And that was important.
- 2:49Yeah, there was a lot of little factors in there, but the main thing was.
- 2:57Learning how to do it correctly instead of fumbling.
- 2:59Yeah. For sure.
- 3:01For anyone listening or watching that doesn't know what a meat smith is, they probably assuming it's a butcher.
- 3:07Will you explain the difference?
- 3:07Yeah it is.
- 3:11It's a fancy way of saying a farmer.
- 3:12Actually, you are in control of.
- 3:16You raise the animal, you slaughter the animal, you butcher the animal, you cook the animal, which creates a more.
- 3:26A better relationship.
- 3:28You want to take care of it.
- 3:29You want it to be healthy.
- 3:30You want it to be happy.
- 3:32Not. It's not for profit of I'm just going to raise this thing and sell it for as much money as I can get.
- 3:40So there's a more there's a bigger connection to your animals and your meat because it's going it's going in your mouth.
- 3:48So you're connected to it.
- 3:50You're like, okay, I want this to taste good.
- 3:52I want it to be at its best.
- 3:53And that's, I think, encompasses like a meat smith.
- 3:58You're dedicating yourself to making that the best it can be.
- 4:04Yeah, well, you're invested in the whole process from the animal all the way to dinner, basically.
- 4:10And you have insight and input along the way versus if you just had a butcher shop, you're receiving an animal from a farmer, and you don't always have, say, an input on how that animal was treated or raised or even sometimes what kind of of like pig it is because there's a variety of pigs, right?
- 4:27So what?
- 4:28Did you know anything about pig farming before this?
- 4:33And then so how did you, throughout your research, decide to move towards a certain variety of pigs?
- 4:39That was purely just going local?
- 4:43Okay.
- 4:44I wasn't going to ship pigs from trying to track down a certain breed to it's like these are the farmers that are around these little pigs.
- 4:53They have and went through a few of them and then landed on not just the pig, but the relationship with the guy who raises them.
- 5:03You know, like, this is a good person.
- 5:07He's doing good work.
- 5:09Yeah.
- 5:10Will you explain a little bit about the pigs that you currently get?
- 5:14Well, right now it's Berkshire mostly, almost all of it.
- 5:19And then sometimes, like right now, I have a manga lista and she had babies, which surprise! Great.
- 5:30And they're a cross between Berkshire and Manga.
- 5:33So they have these crazy stripes on them and they, they're super cute now, but I assure everyone they will not be super cute.
- 5:41Yeah, in about six months.
- 5:43But Berkshire is what I've been going with and it was made.
- 5:52All pigs have been bred to overcome some obstacles.
- 5:56So like the manga was bred, a lot of it was for high lard and fat and has curly hair to combat the cold.
- 6:09Okay, because it's in Hungarian. Pig.
- 6:11And then Berkshires were bred to have really good meat and be a slow grower, so it takes a long time to get them to full grown and ready to go.
- 6:27And then they have low literates because you always got to sacrifice something.
- 6:32Sure, it's got to be a sacrifice for what you're doing.
- 6:36I think you and I were just talking a little bit about this earlier, but I think people would be surprised at how long you have to wait for the pig to mature, for it to be the right age, to make the right meals and things like that, and that it's currently a process.
- 6:51So how long on average, how old are your pigs?
- 6:55I, the youngest I would slaughter a pig is one year.
- 7:02That would be absolutely the youngest.
- 7:05And even then I.
- 7:06That's not really what you do.
- 7:08Yeah, that would be somebody bought a whole pig and they just were impatient.
- 7:14But at least a year.
- 7:17But that's part of this process to is dispelling misconceptions of like old animals or gross meat or tough meters, sure.
- 7:28Or anything else.
- 7:29So these pigs are slow growers, so they take at least a year to get to their, you know, like adolescence, basically kind of like us like to get to their 27 years old and pig years.
- 7:43It takes about a year.
- 7:44And then most farmers, they raise a different kind of pig that can they can be done growing, which just means it's not putting as much muscle on anymore, which is meat, and it's putting more fat on.
- 8:00So you're kind of they see it as just losing money because you're making fat now instead of meat.
- 8:08And people don't want to buy the fat. Right.
- 8:11And but anyway, yeah.
- 8:15So like the average age for you is maybe like 2 or 3 years.
- 8:18Oh yeah.
- 8:19Yeah, I like two years at least. And, we just did one that was four years and was excellent.
- 8:28Yeah. It's excellent.
- 8:30And they keep growing.
- 8:30They keep gaining muscle.
- 8:32But sure.
- 8:34There's a lot of benefits to raising them longer.
- 8:37It's just if you're in it for money, that's not going to work.
- 8:41Right. Yeah.
- 8:42This is more about you providing for your family as far as, like, meals and things go like that too.
- 8:47And education. Yeah.
- 8:49So one of the things that you do here at the farm is host classes and workshops and things.
- 8:55What was that always part of the plan, or was that something that kind of just like grew out of the project?
- 9:02That was never part of the plan.
- 9:04You didn't see yourself as a teacher?
- 9:06Nothing.
- 9:07I didn't see this garage being a butchery and I didn't see any of it.
- 9:11I went to Ohio, learned how to.
- 9:17I just went there to learn how to slaughter.
- 9:19But my eyes were burst wide open with everything else they were doing over the course of the four days.
- 9:27And then I came back and I was like, I don't know, curing curing meat seems like a waste of time.
- 9:35And then I started processing my own pigs and realized not only is this going to value, add, and make everything taste better and be better, but it also makes the butchering process way easier.
- 9:51Oh sure, instead of cutting everything into individual little pieces and sealing it and freezing it, you're doing huge chunks and and waiting.
- 10:01Yeah, yeah.
- 10:02Just done well.
- 10:04And then what part of as you were learning that where you're like, oh, I should teach this to other people.
- 10:09There was a long time ago because I painted for painted houses for 22 years, and there was a point even then where I thought, Maybe I'll just teach painting because, yeah, I can't do this forever.
- 10:24I don't I don't want to.
- 10:25Yeah, I won't be on a ladder and out in the hot sun.
- 10:29Yeah, on the south side of the house.
- 10:29It's horrible.
- 10:31So I thought, well, maybe I'll teach painting.
- 10:37And then it kind of just fell away and I never did it.
- 10:40And then then my wife reminded me, she's like, I think this meat stuff that you're doing would be a fantastic thing to teach well, and people are curious about it.
- 10:52I want to learn more about it. Yeah.
- 10:54And then I thought, oh yeah, that's right.
- 10:57I was going to teach you. Yeah.
- 10:59And then wait a minute.
- 11:00And then I went back to Ohio three more times in order to make sure.
- 11:08I felt comfortable and confident in that ability.
- 11:12Sure. Yeah.
- 11:13And then so you partnered with PCC as one of the avenues, the Portland Community College, for those of you not from Oregon.
- 11:20And then but you also teach private workshops as well as host private events.
- 11:25So will you explain a little bit what someone could expect if like, let's say they hosted a private event with you?
- 11:32Oh, well, it would be tailored to them, but usually it's leaning towards hands on. So, you know, one would be like sausage making so you can spend the day hands on learning instead of just me talking at you and doing something in front of you.
- 11:52Hands on learning. Hands on tasting. Yeah.
- 11:55And then. Yeah.
- 11:56And then you get to taste a bunch of things and I'll pull out stuff that you've probably never heard of or had.
- 12:02And, and you get to try things and, yeah, that way it's a interactive learning experience as a.
- 12:12Instead of just stuffing your face, which is good.
- 12:16Yeah.
- 12:16I mean, stuffing your face is always fun, but it is really interesting as somebody that has taken one of your classes, the scenes, farming stuff, while we're also like learning about what to mix, submit with or how to mix it and some of it, what our group, our class was like, blown away when we made the sausage patties that, like you, barely put any seasoning in it.
- 12:41And then it was like, so good.
- 12:42And then in fact, it ruined sausage for most of us, or pork for most of us, because now when we get like pork at, like the grocery store or whatever, we're like, oh, this doesn't taste the same.
- 12:52Yeah. Nick's is so much better.
- 12:54Yeah.
- 12:55Then that's part of it too, is just salt.
- 12:59So you can actually taste what pork tastes like instead of all this seasoning and all this cover up.
- 13:07Yeah. And and then also the color.
- 13:10A lot of people think it's beef because it's red.
- 13:13Well, it did look like beef.
- 13:15And then especially in a patty I was like, why are we not having this instead of hamburgers all the time?
- 13:19Like this was delicious. Yeah. It's.
- 13:21And then I tell people most things you would have that are beef turn out better if you mix it with 50% pork.
- 13:30Yeah. So for the.
- 13:30So why not just have the pork.
- 13:33Yeah I didn't even think about that until we were talking a while back.
- 13:37And you were like, yeah, I chose pigs because I realized I eat more of the pig.
- 13:41And then I left thinking, oh, me too.
- 13:45Actually, I don't I mean, I love steak and stuff, but I was like, I love everything about the pig, like.
- 13:51So I was like, oh, I've never even thought about that until you brought it up.
- 13:55Yeah, yeah.
- 13:56Same.
- 13:56It's like, oh, sausages, ground pork ribs and.
- 14:01Yeah, all of it. Yeah.
- 14:02All of it.
- 14:05Know someone moving to Oregon?
- 14:06Send them my way.
- 14:07I specialize in relocation, and I'll treat them like family.
- 14:10Plus, you know, there's a glass of wine in it for him.
- 14:13Cheers.
- 14:16So when someone takes a class, you have a variety of different like events and classes and workshops.
- 14:22Some of them are as short as, like 2 to 3 hours.
- 14:24Some of them are as long as six hours.
- 14:27So if you're ever interested, you should definitely go check out next website.
- 14:31Or if you are on website, you can also look through there too.
- 14:36Is there a difference at all between the PCC class and the private events?
- 14:42Not much.
- 14:43It's fairly similar.
- 14:46It's just because it's private.
- 14:48It makes for a an easier group dynamic.
- 14:53You're not trying to tie people together.
- 14:53They just come and they know.
- 14:55Well, yeah, they all know each other when you're hosting a private event.
- 14:58And then usually I'll throw in more.
- 15:03Oh, would you say it like older meat.
- 15:07Sure. Yeah.
- 15:08That's kind of a little token of appreciation.
- 15:11Yeah. For sure.
- 15:13Yeah.
- 15:13The PCC class is only one of them gets, prosciutto or coppa because it takes years to get it. Yeah.
- 15:23For sure.
- 15:24Yeah.
- 15:25It doesn't just get handed out like candy.
- 15:27Yeah.
- 15:28We are currently filming at the very end of May 2026.
- 15:33But I do know that you have a Father's Day event coming up.
- 15:36Did you want to say anything about that?
- 15:38If anyone's looking for a gift to get dad.
- 15:40Well, I put I.
- 15:43I kind of changed it.
- 15:46Just made it a regular sausage class around Father's Day, and I put one on PCC, and I put one on on Airbnb, and I took my Eventbrite down just because they were, I was getting the feeling it wasn't the right audience.
- 16:09Oh, sure. Yeah.
- 16:11From people I was talking to, like a lot of people were looking for, like, concert tickets.
- 16:16So I was like, Yeah.
- 16:20So they're all.
- 16:23Yeah.
- 16:23And then instead of making it this specific Father's Day, I just said, I'll have one around where we're father's can come after Father's Day.
- 16:36So it's not you're not taking that day away.
- 16:39Oh, yeah. Because they want they want to be with their family.
- 16:42Yeah, well, and sometimes it's nice to do because, like, when you're our age, your dad.
- 16:48But then you might also go spend time with your father in law or dad.
- 16:51Right.
- 16:52So then it's like celebrating all the father's trying to find things to do with everybody.
- 16:55I feel like everybody's got the comes from a divorced family or something.
- 16:59So you got you got step.
- 17:00Yeah. There's like eight dads that you're trying to celebrate.
- 17:03So doing something on Father's Day is hard, but finding time to celebrate that or show that appreciation later in the week or before.
- 17:10My thought was it's something they can buy and have something to give on Father's Day.
- 17:15Yeah, for sure of something to do later.
- 17:17Yeah.
- 17:18Throughout your journey, since you've started this, what has been some of the, like learning curves that have been thrown your way? Oh, all of it.
- 17:29I never hunted, so killing animals wasn't something that I was used to or didn't really use.
- 17:41Guns.
- 17:44Never butchered so big, you know, 400 pound dead animals and dealing with them.
- 17:52There's just been.
- 17:53And then basically this whole journey has been first just a bunch of first. Yeah.
- 18:00Never really taught a class, never been in front of a group and been asked a million questions and put it on the spot. Yep.
- 18:13But you're doing so good.
- 18:15Yeah.
- 18:15I've watched you teach a handful of classes now, and so.
- 18:19Yeah, you're taking to it.
- 18:20Well, I think good. It feels good. Yeah.
- 18:23And then what about just even some of the small stuff that you might not have thought about before, like knife selection or different knives to use, cutting different types of meat or even not knives, like sometimes you have to use like a saw or something even bigger.
- 18:37Right. Yeah.
- 18:38And I think what's fun about it is because I wasn't classically trained and I don't have any of these preconceived ideas of what I need.
- 18:53So I get a little more freedom in figuring out what actually just works for me.
- 18:58So I don't even think I have a butcher's knife.
- 19:01Oh, really?
- 19:02Yeah. Term butcher knife.
- 19:04It's a very odd knife.
- 19:05And I was like, I don't know why.
- 19:07It's big and it's clunky.
- 19:08And I was like, I don't know. Yeah. So what's your go to.
- 19:11So now my, my go to I do.
- 19:129,085% of everything with a boning knife okay.
- 19:17Just a tiny knife. And and I use the saw.
- 19:24Oh. Very little.
- 19:26Yeah. More like the bigger.
- 19:29Like like the leg or something.
- 19:30That's, like a lot bigger. Yes.
- 19:32I cut the ribs with it and I'll cut the head in half.
- 19:39And maybe like 1 or 2 other small things and that's it.
- 19:44One thing I appreciate about what you do with your process to is you actually use almost the whole pig, and whether it's in a class or like putting together different meats and varieties, like even the head you'll use for the meat and stuff.
- 19:59That was something that I don't know if everybody does that, but I was like, oh, wow, that's amazing.
- 20:06Like, you're actually you're honoring the animal and by using every bit of it.
- 20:11Yeah.
- 20:11Try my best.
- 20:12There's a few pieces. I'm still a little late.
- 20:15What do I do with this?
- 20:16Yeah, but as much as I can use.
- 20:20Yeah, a lot of people.
- 20:22So also, what spurred this?
- 20:24Going back to that question was I knew I wasn't ready for cows yet, so I let my neighbor put cows on our property and then in exchange, I can have one.
- 20:36And I had to call a mobile slaughter guy to come out in a truck, and he shoots it and guts it and does all the skins, does all the stuff, and then takes it to the butcher, and then you call the butcher and tell them how you want done.
- 20:54Point being, this guy shows up and I was like, oh wow, the truck was falling apart.
- 21:01Oh no.
- 21:02Trailer was falling apart like Chainsaw Massacre.
- 21:06Nailed it.
- 21:06And he pulled a chain smile and cut that thing in half. And luckily, yeah, he didn't.
- 21:14The bar of the chainsaw, he the fat of the animal will lube the chain enough.
- 21:20But I was like, thinking to myself, there's gotta be a better, gotta be a better way than that.
- 21:25Yeah, like I get you're on a deadline and you know everything.
- 21:28But just bone and fat is flying everywhere.
- 21:30And the sound of a chainsaw is.
- 21:33It's not something you associate with an animal, right?
- 21:36Or food.
- 21:36Right? It's falling trees.
- 21:38Fair enough. Yeah. And I was like, wow.
- 21:42And that stuck with me.
- 21:43I was like, I think I can do better than that.
- 21:45Yeah. For sure.
- 21:48Oh my goodness. Yeah, yeah.
- 21:51And then I thought for a little bit maybe, maybe I'll do that.
- 21:54Maybe I'll get a truck.
- 21:56Oh, and I was like, I don't want to do that.
- 21:58Yeah. I was like, there's so much death all day long.
- 22:01I was like, yeah, you don't want to do that.
- 22:02Well, not so it's nice about your process as you're a part of all the living part.
- 22:06Yeah.
- 22:06As well as the after mostly living a little bit.
- 22:11Yeah, just a little bit.
- 22:12Yeah.
- 22:13Well, in your pigs live a really great life while they're living, and they're just happy as can be.
- 22:18Yeah, they got it. Good. Definitely thing before I took your class, that kind of took me by surprise.
- 22:25Is like, will you talk about some of these meats?
- 22:27And I didn't realize that certain meat could age and be fine.
- 22:31And, you know, because, like, we always worry about like, oh, the expiration dates and stuff, but like, talk about the meats that are hanging above us. Yeah.
- 22:38My prosciutto.
- 22:39Yeah.
- 22:39That are out here are two and a half years old.
- 22:43Not like shocked me.
- 22:44And we did try it and it was delicious.
- 22:46But I was like I can't believe we can eat something that's two and a half years old and uncooked.
- 22:50Yeah.
- 22:50And never gets cooked.
- 22:54And and we've been doing it for thousand years.
- 22:59Yeah.
- 23:00And I don't know why that concept just didn't register in my brain until I took one of your classes, and I was like, oh, I eat pursuit all the time.
- 23:07I never even thought about it. Yeah. Oh.
- 23:10And then that's.
- 23:11Yeah.
- 23:11And that's part of the like curing classes is learning the difference between whole muscle and when you need cure and when you need cure number one and cure number two, or you don't need it at all.
- 23:24How long it has to wait.
- 23:24Because it has to.
- 23:27You can't just put salt on it and hang it on the ceiling.
- 23:30Right? Yeah. It takes.
- 23:31Don't do that at home.
- 23:33Yeah. It takes a little while to.
- 23:35It doesn't matter.
- 23:36Like a piece of bacon hanging in someone's kitchen.
- 23:38Come in on salt. You're like, no, that's not what we meant. Don't do that.
- 23:42Yeah.
- 23:43Flies are stuck to it. Delicious.
- 23:45Yeah. And changing people's mind about it.
- 23:47Like, bacon's a good example.
- 23:49If you cure it and you smoke it, you can hang it in your kitchen.
- 23:53Really? Yeah. Oh, gosh.
- 23:54I was just joking.
- 23:55But who knew?
- 23:56Yeah, at that point, it's ready to go.
- 23:58It'll just start hardening until it gets to a point where it's really tough when you cook it.
- 24:04You wouldn't enjoy it as much, but totally.
- 24:07Just hang it out. Totally. Oh my gosh.
- 24:10We are sitting in the area where you teach classes and also prepare meats.
- 24:15When did this area become something that you're like, oh, I need a spot to start doing this.
- 24:22Oh, because this wasn't when you started farming.
- 24:25This wasn't here.
- 24:25The moment I bought a pig.
- 24:28Yeah. You started transforming the girl.
- 24:30I was like, I better get on it.
- 24:31I got nine months because the pigs were three months old and I wanted to time it for fall or winter.
- 24:39So I was like, okay, I get there'll be old enough and I need a space.
- 24:45And it wasn't anything like it was now.
- 24:47It was just like this table and this cooler and the essentials.
- 24:52That's about it.
- 24:53Yeah, I was vaccine an entire animal with a the little table top.
- 24:59Oh, yeah.
- 25:00Vaccine for my show. Yeah.
- 25:02Type one.
- 25:02Oh, yeah.
- 25:04Probably ruined a bunch of meat. Oh, no.
- 25:06It took 100 times as long as it should have, but yeah.
- 25:11And then slowly kept growing the space. Yeah.
- 25:15I love this space. It's so homey.
- 25:18Yeah.
- 25:18Which makes sense, because we're cooking.
- 25:20Yeah.
- 25:22What are some tips or tricks that you would give anybody thinking about getting into farming, especially livestock.
- 25:30Oh, come here first. Well, yeah.
- 25:33Take a class.
- 25:34Yeah, I highly I do not because I want the money or the thing but just you get.
- 25:40Well you did that like you said.
- 25:42You went back multiple times to keep learning. Yes.
- 25:45And just I don't.
- 25:50It's odd that we feel like we shouldn't have a coach or a teacher, but we do it in almost everything else.
- 25:58Yeah. It's like, that's so true.
- 26:00Find someone.
- 26:01Doesn't have to be me that knows what they're doing and and learn.
- 26:07Yeah. Just get the basics.
- 26:08That way you can go off on your own once you get the basics.
- 26:12Good.
- 26:13Well, and to your point, to like, if you don't know what you're doing, you do end up accidentally wasting a lot of me.
- 26:20If you don't store it the right way, cut it up the right way.
- 26:23Kill it the right way. Right.
- 26:23All of that stuff.
- 26:25So it's so important to be really educated before or you're just wasting the animal in general, which isn't cool. No.
- 26:32And what you're feeding it and what it wants, how they live.
- 26:38Because I don't think people.
- 26:43Pay much attention to that.
- 26:44I think it's starting to be we're starting to be more aware of it, especially with commercial farming.
- 26:49But everything we do to pigs is absolutely the opposite of how they live in nature and how they want to be happy.
- 26:59They do not want to be in a pen or on a concrete floor.
- 27:02They don't want to ring in their nose so they can't root in the ground, right?
- 27:06None of that stuff.
- 27:07They don't want to be corralled or put in trailers.
- 27:10And like, that's one of the big things is, anybody who's around pigs will tell you I'm pretty confident will tell you.
- 27:21You don't try and force a pig to do anything.
- 27:24Yeah, they do what they want.
- 27:25Yeah.
- 27:25You take your time and it will eventually go where you want it to go.
- 27:29If you. If you can wait. Yeah.
- 27:32And it makes up its mind that it's going that way. It'll happen.
- 27:34Especially if there's food.
- 27:36What about if someone's at.
- 27:39And you can tell me if you don't want to answer this question.
- 27:41But if someone's at the grocery store and they're trying to figure out what's the best part to buy while they're there, is there anything that they should look for on the label or any type of process that they should like?
- 27:52Words that would stick out and you'd be like, oh, that's a good one.
- 27:54Get that one.
- 27:55Yeah, it's a hard one.
- 27:56The grocery store is not really going to have the smaller farms.
- 28:01Sure.
- 28:02The smallest farm I think would be like ML Carlton or, or Hills.
- 28:07And to supply a grocery store, you have to you're kind of already beyond you, probably already beyond your own farm.
- 28:18Sure, it's going to be a co-op of farms that are supplying your brand to a grocery store because it's just so much, Yeah, I try and steer people away from health, washing things, like when you pick up the bacon and it says uncured.
- 28:40Well, that's that's not possible.
- 28:43The the Food and Drug Administration won't allow that.
- 28:46They put celery salt in it, which has natural occurring cure in it. Nitrates.
- 28:54So a nitrate is that chemical.
- 28:59And it doesn't matter if it comes from a plant or a lab.
- 29:03It's that chemical.
- 29:04And it has the same effect on your body, whether it came from one or the other.
- 29:08Sure.
- 29:08So people think it will be more healthy because it's plant based and you're like, no, it's bad for you because it reacts with meat and then it's cooked.
- 29:19Yeah. So it doesn't matter if it's plant based or not.
- 29:21So that's why I try and steer people away from or just giving them the awareness that, it's not healthier.
- 29:30Yeah.
- 29:30When you're in the grocery store, all the.
- 29:32Yeah, yeah, it's fat free.
- 29:33It's like, well, doesn't mean it's healthier, right?
- 29:35For sure. That kind of thing.
- 29:36Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
- 29:39Yeah.
- 29:39And then I try and steer people to the smaller shops around here.
- 29:44Like Tony's Fish Market sells Northwest Heritage pork, and that's who I buy my pates from.
- 29:54And he he does butcher boxes and and some small stores.
- 30:00Okay.
- 30:01So your advice is whether you're an organ or not.
- 30:04Like find your local butcher.
- 30:05See where they source.
- 30:07For me, it's if you want, like the real deal without a bunch of extra additives.
- 30:11Yeah.
- 30:12And you know, they're treated well or a big one is they will be heritage breed pigs, which is totally different.
- 30:21You're in a different ballgame of how fast they grow, how red the meat is.
- 30:28And each one is, like I said, each one is different.
- 30:32Mangles are totally different than Berkshire's.
- 30:34And and then it gets into this whole array of what do you want out of your do you want a lot of lard?
- 30:42Do you want, you know, like Thames Water have a really good long belly.
- 30:48So they have more bacon, just things like that where it's like each one has its own, its own wonderful thing about it.
- 30:56Interesting. What's next for you?
- 30:58Like, what are some goals that you have with the farm or the business?
- 31:02I'm trying to get into adding sheep, adding hare, sheep to the the mix.
- 31:10Yeah, the mix and adding tastings on top of the classes because it would be shorter and it's just a little bit easier to to pop in.
- 31:23We were talking about earlier obviously as a wine girl, I was like, oh, you should do wine pairings at the park is like two of my favorite things.
- 31:29Yeah, I'd be here for sure.
- 31:30And that way I think it's a good gateway for people who are a little hesitant and don't want to, like you say, commit to a full day.
- 31:38You can just come for a couple of hours, eat a bunch of old meat, as I call, or and sausage and all sorts of stuff so that then if you're like, wow, I want to know, I want to know how to do this, then you can say, now I'm I'm willing to dedicate a day to come back and and learn more in.
- 31:58Yeah, well, and do more of the hands on if you're doing a tasting, it's already prepared.
- 32:02You didn't make it.
- 32:02You're just tasting the different meat.
- 32:05But if you're doing the class, you're actually learning how to, like stuff the sausage yourself and prepare it and do the recipes, mixing with the meat, all that stuff you also host.
- 32:15If someone wants to learn about the slaughter process and stuff, you have a couple workshops around that as well.
- 32:22Me personally, I think this is where some people a tasting would be great is that they could see like, oh, it's not just like an animal laying here, you know, kind of a thing.
- 32:32I'm a meat eater through and through.
- 32:34I'm not a hunter.
- 32:36Like you said earlier, I'm not a hunter. But.
- 32:38So I always joke around that.
- 32:40Like if I was around in like, during, like the Oregon Trail days, I'd be the berry picker.
- 32:45I'll go pick berries.
- 32:46You bring the me, I'll help the water.
- 32:47Yeah, yeah, yeah, I will go get the water.
- 32:50I'm happy to prepare the meat.
- 32:53Cook the meat.
- 32:54Enjoy the meat.
- 32:55Yeah, but I couldn't do that part.
- 32:57But there are a lot of people that are also interested in that side of it.
- 33:01So do you want to talk about that workshop a little bit?
- 33:03Oh, yeah.
- 33:04That that was the big eye opener for me.
- 33:09The slaughter and.
- 33:14Also yeah, with the Covid what I left out was a big part was we were so isolated that I was like, I saw it as a way of building community where you're like, when you kill a pig, you don't just go kill a pig, you invite all of your friends,
- 33:34you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: 00.
- 33:37you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Oh, yeah.
- 33:38you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Oh, oh, I got them Saturday, 8 a.m.
- 33:41you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: in the cold in the fall or the winter?
- 33:43you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Yeah.
- 33:44you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And you have to help me.
- 33:47you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And then, of course, I would feed them and.
- 33:50you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Sure, stack a beer for them and. Yeah.
- 33:52you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And they weren't that much help, but it's really.
- 33:56you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Maybe next time we'll hold back the beer. Yeah.
- 33:58you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: At least until you've done your job. At least till ten.
- 34:02you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: So yeah, that was a big one.
- 34:04you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Was making community.
- 34:06you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And even with people coming here, it's the same like I'm hoping to give them that so they can feel confident in doing it themselves, even if they only do it once a year, once every two years.
- 34:20you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And it can be something where they yeah, they bring everybody around and have a good time. Yeah.
- 34:25you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And just like learn about the whole process because it does take a while.
- 34:29you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: That workshop I believe you do it like over two days or three.
- 34:33you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: The slaughter is one day all day.
- 34:37you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And then the follow up classes.
- 34:40you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Caring. Oh. Got it. So then we take the pig from the day before, and now you'll actually now you know where bacon came from because you took it off.
- 34:51you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Yeah.
- 34:52you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: You cut it off and then we cut it up and we cure it and and do some other stuff.
- 34:57you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And then.
- 34:58you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And then the people that are really invested come on the third day and do the sausage.
- 35:03you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Yeah. I should have mentioned to that.
- 35:06you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Anybody that takes your classes or workshops, you get to go home with a bunch of stuff to that you help prepare and make and things.
- 35:12you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: So it's neat.
- 35:13you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: You get to like, nibble throughout the day while you're preparing things, and then you also get to take stuff home to and and then I forgot.
- 35:22you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And then for the the die hards, I brought back the offal class.
- 35:29you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: When you're ready to make a move, make it with someone who knows the market and truly cares about your home journey.
- 35:34you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: I would be honored to help you each step of the way.
- 35:36you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Reach out now and let's start your strategic plan and the next move for you.
- 35:42you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Oh, really? Talk about that a little bit.
- 35:44you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Which is good because that's that was what really got me motivated was blood sausage, liverwurst patties and terranes and ovals and.
- 36:01you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: So that's all the organ meat, not the lungs, but the heart and the liver and the spleen and the kidneys, all of it.
- 36:09you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: The head, all the odd bits, all the it's the fifth primal which butchers out there will be like, I know he's talking about.
- 36:16you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Yeah, yeah, it's all odd bits that aren't a quarter of the animal.
- 36:22you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Sure to when you put them together.
- 36:24you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: It's it's tons of food.
- 36:27you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: It's amazing how much somebody is throwing away.
- 36:30you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And they just.
- 36:31you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Based on my mom made liver when I was young.
- 36:35you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: It's gross.
- 36:36you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And then they come here and they're like, okay, that's good.
- 36:39you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Yeah.
- 36:39you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Well, because it doesn't sound sexy when you say all those things, you're like, oh, sounds very good.
- 36:44you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: But then when you try, if someone were to try it without knowing and then you told them, they would be like shocked, like I just ate.
- 36:50you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: What? Yeah, it was really good.
- 36:52you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: I try not to tell people it's blood because it just really messes with their mind.
- 36:56you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: But then when they eat it. Well, that's a terrible name.
- 36:58you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah.
- 37:00you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And then same with there's like a deviled offal where if you had heavy cream Dijon and brandy and salt, it's going to be amazing.
- 37:13you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Yeah. Of course. Yeah.
- 37:14you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: So then people would have that that has liver and heart in it which normally doesn't taste amazing.
- 37:21you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: No. Yeah.
- 37:22you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: So yeah, just learning proper ways to prepare things so that they are good.
- 37:27you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Yeah.
- 37:28you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: If you just throw it in a pan and pan seared and put ketchup on it, like when I was a kid who was rough.
- 37:36you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Yeah.
- 37:37you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Yeah. For sure.
- 37:39you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: So we talked about curing.
- 37:41you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: What about sausages and stuff.
- 37:42you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Like how long does that last for?
- 37:45you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: If you put it in the freezer, don't put it in the fridge.
- 37:47you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Should you put it in the freezer? Yeah.
- 37:50you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: That's all. Yes.
- 37:52you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Fresh sausage.
- 37:53you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: You don't get as long.
- 37:55you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: They.
- 37:56you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: I find three months.
- 38:00you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Is that refrigerated or frozen?
- 38:02you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Frozen three months.
- 38:03you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Frozen to six months and then refrigerated.
- 38:07you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: You, if you have the vac machine like I have, that will actually take all the air out.
- 38:14you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Then you get you can have two weeks in your fridge, which is twice as long as you get when you go to the store.
- 38:21you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Usually to check that I learned from you is when you're covering like ground meat to put it in the fridge instead of having it like at the top of the bulls, like pushing it down on the meat.
- 38:32you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And that was because to like have minimize the oxygen that's in it.
- 38:37you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Right.
- 38:37you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And so just FYI tips and tricks if you like pre get your meat out and you're like having it sit for a minute and stuff.
- 38:45you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Yeah.
- 38:46you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Push this around ramp down on top versus over the top of the bowl.
- 38:49you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Yeah.
- 38:49you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Because you'll you'll get air in there.
- 38:51you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And then it just makes it look ugly.
- 38:52you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: But that's it.
- 38:54you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Yeah. It's just ugly.
- 38:54you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: It still tastes good.
- 38:57you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Well, I was just pointing out you're a good teacher.
- 39:00you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: See, I remember all the things I learned.
- 39:01you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: All the things.
- 39:03you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Any other tips or tricks that you would give to either someone consuming me or wanting to create their own?
- 39:10you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Oh, wow.
- 39:11you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: There's a lot.
- 39:12you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Yeah, that's a hard one.
- 39:13you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Well, maybe just give us one.
- 39:17you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Well, get yourself a vacuum.
- 39:19you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: A good master vacuum machine that sits on the counter will change or change your world.
- 39:28you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Oh my gosh.
- 39:29you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Story meat becomes totally different.
- 39:32you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: So with those, when you grind meat and you put it in a bag and you seal it, you can flatten that bag.
- 39:41you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: If anybody's ever got beef or pork from the store and it's frozen and it's in a tube, it's very hard to stack tubes and put them in your freezer, the ground, so they fall around.
- 39:52you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Yeah.
- 39:53you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: When you have one of those and you can flatten it.
- 39:56you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Now they're all flat and they just they fit perfectly in the door and wherever you want and slide into little places.
- 40:02you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: It's one of those that might sound silly.
- 40:04you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And then you're like, wow, the storage is easier.
- 40:08you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And then when you want to defrost it just in a little pan of water, it'll defrost five times as quickly because it's not this big around, right.
- 40:16you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: The core is always frozen and you're like, oh yeah, yeah.
- 40:19you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Where is that five minutes Steve frosted and ready to go.
- 40:24you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Yeah.
- 40:25you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Thank you so much for sharing your kitchen with me today.
- 40:28you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: I appreciate it and all your tips and tricks.
- 40:31you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: I'd like to give you one more.
- 40:31you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Cheers. Yeah.
- 40:33you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Thank you.
- 40:34you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: Thank you for watching and listening.
- 40:36you have to come over and Wednesday, 3: And I'll see you next week. Cheers.