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South Africa on Safari is our next group trip Destination · Dishing with Stephanie's Dish

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  SPEAKER_01: Hello,
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  SPEAKER_01: everybody,
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  SPEAKER_01: and welcome to Dishing with Stephanie's Dish,
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  SPEAKER_01: the podcast where we talk to people in the food space.
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  SPEAKER_01: And also today we're going to talk travel,
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  SPEAKER_01: because whenever I travel,
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  SPEAKER_01: food's always a big part of it.
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  I'm here with my friend Michael Kenney,
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  and he owns the travel agency Define Destinations.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Michael and I met and have gone on a number of trips.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've gone to Croatia together.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're just about to embark on Turkey.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are also planning a new trip that we just launched.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is a trip to South Africa.
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  And a lot of times the best way to get people excited about
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  these trips is to talk about them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Michael does more than that.
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  SPEAKER_01: He scouts them out for me first.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, Michael, you went to this trip.
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  SPEAKER_00: I did.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your personal scout, but I love it.
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  There's not a better deal than being able to do that and then
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  going on with you and
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  SPEAKER_00: Kurt and with everybody else.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we've had some fun adventures.
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  SPEAKER_00: But yes, I recently got back with my family.
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  SPEAKER_00: We went and scouted the South Africa trip out or Southern Africa,
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  SPEAKER_00: I should say,
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  SPEAKER_00: that we visited four different countries.
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  And it was,
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  I've been on a safari before,
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  but it was in Kenya,
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  which was fabulous as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: But this was a whole different experience.
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  So I brought my wife and my two kids and we had one of the best
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  experiences from
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  SPEAKER_00: seeing Cape Town to Johannesburg and then all the wildlife,
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  SPEAKER_00: different lodges and on boats.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we do all these different sorts of activities.
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  transportation and see four different countries and it was
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  unbelievable i came back
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  really really excited i was excited in the beginning but having
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  gone on it and then
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  really first experiencing it firsthand was phenomenal and i
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  knew you and kurt would
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  love it and of course everyone that follows you as well it was
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  just it's really a
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  trip of a lifetime so we uh put the trip out there it is a more
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  expensive trip and
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  SPEAKER_01: um
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  SPEAKER_01: we had a limited number of seats.
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  SPEAKER_01: We had 16 people that could join the trip.
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  And,
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  you know,
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  I've never done a trip that is on the higher end like that in
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  terms of expense.
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  And you're just,
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  you have a lot of in-flight situations within the country.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have a lot of different lodging situations.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a boat,
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  SPEAKER_01: like in order to do all the things we wanted to do,
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  SPEAKER_01: there were a lot of moving parts.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we put the trip out there and it sold out like right away.
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  SPEAKER_01: So then Michael was like, okay, do we want to try and do another one?
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  SPEAKER_01: And of course we do,
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  because I want you guys to have as many of these experiences as
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  we can put
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  SPEAKER_01: together.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cause I think traveling this way is great.
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  I love traveling in a group for destinations that maybe I'm not
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  comfortable in fully by myself.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Michael has secured another trip, a second round.
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  that is the same itinerary but they leave i think it's a day
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  later yes and um let
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  me just touch on that you hit some good points in there um yeah
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  one reason the trip
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  it's it's it's definitely at the highest uh price point we've
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  ever offered a trip
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  but i think if you're going out there and you're shopping in
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  african safari you see
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  that as well so the value is there with all the different i
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  mean essentially all
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  SPEAKER_00: the meals are included um
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  SPEAKER_00: where we're at on this trip,
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  SPEAKER_00: the inner flights inside the countries as well,
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  from a couple smaller bush planes to the larger flights that go
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  from Cape Town to
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  SPEAKER_00: Johannesburg,
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  SPEAKER_00: Johannesburg,
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  SPEAKER_00: up towards Victoria Falls,
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  SPEAKER_00: etc.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those are already included in all the transfers.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is a different trip too,
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  SPEAKER_00: Stephanie,
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  because it's not like a typical motor coach group that you're
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  going with all these
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  SPEAKER_00: big lodges and motor coaches coming in.
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  SPEAKER_00: This trip is
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  SPEAKER_00: can only take 16 people.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not because we designed it that way.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's the ship only handles 16 people.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you go on our website,
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  SPEAKER_00: you take a look at it,
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  SPEAKER_00: you'll see this small intimate cruiser on this river slash Lake Kariba,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is part of the Zambezi.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in the game lodge that we stayed at too for four nights as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's only eight cabins for 16 people.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's a real intimate experience and it will only be for our group.
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  SPEAKER_00: Same thing for your departure on May 8th.
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  And the one that we still have,
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  there's only,
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  we just sold one,
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  another cabin online just now.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's four cabins left.
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  SPEAKER_00: May 9th through the 25th of 2027.
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  SPEAKER_00: Same thing is going to be true for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's only going to be our group as well.
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  So there's no other groups going to be in on the ship and in
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  the lodge too.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's a real small, intimate experience.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's just real, real lovely.
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  Can you walk us through like some of the high points having
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  done this trip?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, what do you start?
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  SPEAKER_00: I think this is just,
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  SPEAKER_00: sometimes you use the word potpourri too much,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it's really a bit of different,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: you think you go to Africa just for the safari itself,
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  SPEAKER_00: but we go in and we visit Cape Town and Cape Town blew me away.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was
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  SPEAKER_00: one of the most beautiful cities.
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  And I'm not necessarily a city person,
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  but it was just beautiful city under Table Mountain.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll go up to Table Mountain.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll go visit the areas around it.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll go visit some vineyards.
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  SPEAKER_00: South African wine is to die for.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll visit that.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have a wine tasting included.
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  SPEAKER_00: We get to see penguins on this penguin beach in South Africa, which
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know there was penguins in South Africa.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're actually good to go see those.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you actually get up pretty close, too.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that was a real highlight.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nelson Mandela's home in the prison.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're going to go visit that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we have a cultural experience as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: But then we fly into Johannesburg.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll get to hear the history in Johannesburg for a night.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then we fly further north.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we go into our game lodge.
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  SPEAKER_00: We spend for four days right on the Zampezi River.
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  SPEAKER_00: You'll absolutely love this place.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're really well taken care of.
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  SPEAKER_00: You eat really well.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you see the wildlife all around you, right from your lodge.
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  SPEAKER_00: You sit in your plunge pool, and there could be hippos down below you.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's incredible.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just a real amazing experience.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then we fly to Lake Kariba.
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  SPEAKER_00: We get on the boat itself, and we have four nights.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, there's just 16 of us total.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is where it's really different.
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  You glide up into shore and there can be elephants,
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  giraffes,
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  lions feeding in the water itself.
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  SPEAKER_00: This isn't a zoo.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is incredible.
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  SPEAKER_00: You are right there with it at a real slow pace.
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  experience you're really able to take it in so i invite you
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  know anybody that's
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  watching this to go online just take a look at our photos it's
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  free to do that and
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  we pride ourselves the majority of all the photos on it we're
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  taking while on the
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  trip especially with me and my family so you'll get to really
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  see what it really
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  SPEAKER_00: was was like so say you've done a trip to um
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  SPEAKER_00: Tanzania or Kenya and have done safari, this is different.
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  SPEAKER_00: You see four different countries.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a slower pace, smaller groups.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is lovely.
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  So those are really the experiences that I enjoyed the most
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  were the penguins,
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  SPEAKER_00: seeing around Cape Town,
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  SPEAKER_00: of course,
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  SPEAKER_00: the different game drives,
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  SPEAKER_00: all the different wildlife.
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  Victoria Falls,
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  which is one of the most stunning waterfalls you'll ever see.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was amazing.
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  It was really enlightening,
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  and it was fabulous,
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  and everything's taken care of for you.
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  So to be able to do something on your own,
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  to do the same trip would be really difficult.
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  SPEAKER_00: Putting all the flights together, the meals, what are we going to do?
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  SPEAKER_00: We've taken care of all of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: All you have to do essentially is register for the trip,
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  and then we can help you with getting international airfare
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  when it does come
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  SPEAKER_00: available later in the summer for this May 9th through the 25th,
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  SPEAKER_00: 2027 trip.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's
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  SPEAKER_00: It was just an amazing experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: So can you talk a little bit about the food?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I have no idea what African food is going to be like.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think this,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's not like we're out eating street food,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: in some of the villages.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're not doing that.
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  It's all in a controlled environment from the salads to things
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  like that because
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  SPEAKER_00: you want to drink bottled water.
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  SPEAKER_00: We never got sick while on the trip itself.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's real, it's westernized, let's say that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So a lot of meat and potatoes and fish and different things like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there won't be anything a little bit...
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  SPEAKER_00: I think outside of your comfort zone.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we ate really, really well.
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  I thought the beef,
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  chicken,
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  sometimes there'd be lamb,
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  but you can have choices too.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they're really great with diets with that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But again, the food was really safe.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nothing too exotic.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have a chance, maybe you want to try ostrich or something like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can do that, but it's a real...
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  It's really high level too,
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  especially at the lodges and on the boats itself.
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  SPEAKER_00: All sit down, plated meals.
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  SPEAKER_00: Really, really nice.
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  SPEAKER_00: But again, it's safer on the meat and potato side on that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's really nice high-end food, which I know you'll enjoy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And was there different fruit?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some of the fruits I can't remember, you'd be like, well, what is that?
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't even, honestly, I wish I had the list on there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, well, what is that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's, let's try it.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you're in the markets and things like that,
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  SPEAKER_00: but they,
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  SPEAKER_00: they do,
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  SPEAKER_00: especially in the mornings,
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  SPEAKER_00: they'll bring some fruits on,
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  SPEAKER_00: on the plate and you'll have,
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  SPEAKER_00: you're like,
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  SPEAKER_00: well,
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  SPEAKER_00: what,
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  SPEAKER_00: and you just try it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I'm not really good to help you on that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was some exotic fruits.
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  Whenever we're traveling,
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  cause we went to Thailand together,
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  we've been to Vietnam,
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  Cambodia,
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  SPEAKER_01: Whenever we're traveling in these countries,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's always fruits that I've never,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know what they are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm just always amazed by how many fruits there are in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's crazy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, you go through and you're like, what is that?
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  Especially on our Vietnam-Cambodia trip,
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  that's really exotic with the food.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a little bit different.
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  SPEAKER_00: But yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: we're in the Southern Hemisphere,
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  SPEAKER_00: right down at the Cape of Good Hope,
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  SPEAKER_00: which you'll actually see too.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you see different foods for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they'll point that out too.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the main course is definitely not exotic,
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  SPEAKER_00: but you'll see some really neat different fruits,
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  SPEAKER_00: things like that.
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  We talked about South African wines,
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  so I'm glad we're doing that because that was a blast.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this second itinerary leaves a day later.
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  Will there ever be an opportunity where I will overlap and
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  interact with the second group?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of hard to tell at this point.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it really is.
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  And we'll know a little bit more later on because we're in
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  contact because we'll have the ships.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have two different ships on it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's just a day apart, like you said.
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  SPEAKER_00: But we're in the lodge for four days.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our lodges are different.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're close by.
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  But we're working on trying to see maybe if we get a couple of
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  game drives
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  SPEAKER_00: together,
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  maybe a meal somewhere that we could see each other once or
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  twice during or maybe
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  SPEAKER_00: even three times with Cape Town,
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  SPEAKER_00: too,
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  SPEAKER_00: that we could run into each other as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you decide to book because you won't be on the second trip,
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  The second departure,
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  we're hoping two or three times we'll be able to run in each
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  other.
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  SPEAKER_00: But again,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's not guaranteed,
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  SPEAKER_00: but we're very hopeful because both of the ships are completely ours.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm sure we can do a little overlapping in our two lodge stays.
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  relatively close but they're they're different from each other
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  so we might be able
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  to pop in and visit each other maybe for a happy hour on one of
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  our boats because
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  each lodge has got like its own beautiful um pontoon to go out
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  um and go look at
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  the wildlife and we might run into that too but uh but other
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  than that and you're
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  SPEAKER_00: not being on the second one uh
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  SPEAKER_00: Their itineraries are the same, just different lodges.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they're both very, very amazing, high quality lodges.
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  SPEAKER_00: And again,
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  SPEAKER_00: if you go online,
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  SPEAKER_00: you can see both the different boats and the lodges too,
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  SPEAKER_00: which you'll absolutely love.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love too, Michael, that you actually took these trips.
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  When I travel with you,
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  you're very upfront about what you know,
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  what you don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: We get in-country guides if we need more expertise.
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  And a lot of times you want that because you want a local
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  person to share with you
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  the local feel of the place and to give you information based
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  on their perspective
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  SPEAKER_01: of living there or being familiar with the country.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that that's, that's, that's really important.
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  SPEAKER_00: People want to not just get the information and make sure it's correct,
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  SPEAKER_00: but just like,
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  SPEAKER_00: what's life like being,
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  SPEAKER_00: if you're from Namibia or Zimbabwe or South Africa,
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  SPEAKER_00: and we have these local guides,
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  SPEAKER_00: we have,
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  SPEAKER_00: um,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: uh,
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  SPEAKER_00: the folks with us in the lodge and when we're doing the game drives,
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  SPEAKER_00: a professional that will tell you,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: what you're seeing,
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  SPEAKER_00: how they,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: migration or whatever they're doing and what they consume,
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  SPEAKER_00: all of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you've got that, that credibility too.
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  So we have that throughout from our city guides to our,
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  our on land folks as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: You'll really get that expertise.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you'll,
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  SPEAKER_00: you'll come back feeling,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: about the people itself,
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  SPEAKER_00: which there's,
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  SPEAKER_00: we could have a whole different podcast talking about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I loved it.
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  And then,
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  you know,
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  the animals that you're going to see and you're like,
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  oh,
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  I didn't know.
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  It's a really educational,
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  but rewarding,
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  relaxing trip as well,
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  which I know you'll enjoy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And people say that the African people are like, just fabulous.
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  SPEAKER_00: They are.
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  SPEAKER_00: And again, I've been to Africa a few times, not to these parts.
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  SPEAKER_00: The people are wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know if you're going to bring it up, but the languages.
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  So we're visiting different four countries and they speak
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  different dialects.
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  um in in the different countries and different languages uh as
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  well from english to
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  african and uh wherever you know from where their group is from
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  but they use
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  english as kind of the common language so you'll if we have a
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  little overlap with
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  some of our guides um from namibia to botswana they're going to
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  speak english with
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  each other which was i was like oh wow i didn't you know really
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  realize that so
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  SPEAKER_00: The language is never a problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everything's in English.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even through all of the countries visited, you would see the road signs.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's all in English, which was like, oh, wow, that's interesting.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: But then you get to hear them speaking with each other,
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: their languages,
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: and they'll talk about that too.
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  But I was really surprised about the whole language situation
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  being really a lot of English.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm excited about that.
• 13:56
  Okay,
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  so when we say expensive,
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  can you just say on the podcast how much the trip is?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want people not to explore it.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because you get so many things.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of people that are,
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: TV hosts and that sort of thing are hosting week-long trips places,
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  SPEAKER_01: and they cost more than this trip costs.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: For the land only per person, it's $12,000.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so other than that,
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: you just need to get your international airfare to and from South Africa.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: And we have that all written down if you want to look at –
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: for it yourself, but like I mentioned earlier,
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: rates don't come out in availability about 10 months prior to departure.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: So it'll be sometime later this summer,
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: maybe in July,
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  that you'll start seeing what rates would be to fly into Cape
• 14:43
  Town with that.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: But again, the value is really there.
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  It's typically double the price that we usually have for our
• 14:49
  trips going to Europe
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: and other places like that.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: But I think if you go through it and if you've done your research,
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: if you've looked at trips to Africa before,
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: you'll see the value there with all the flights,
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: all the meals,
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: all that included.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: like you said, it's sold out right away.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: People, I think, understand that too.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: And we only have a few cabins left on this second departure.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: So hopefully you're able to join it, but take a look at the website.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: Again, it's free to do that.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: Look at all the things that we offer, all the inclusions.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think everyone will see the value there for sure.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  I was just noticing another person going somewhere for a week
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  and it was like 15,000.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, wait,
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to Africa.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're doing all of this great stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: All the meals are included.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's over.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's two week long trip.
• 15:34
  And we're going on all these game drives like this is more than
• 15:38
  maybe most people
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: would spend on a vacation.
• 15:40
  But like for a trip of a lifetime,
• 15:43
  it's very,
• 15:44
  I thought,
• 15:44
  really well priced.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I went and looked at Nat Geo.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: I looked at some of the other trips were actually cheaper than those two.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:52
  And I think a lot of people are just looking when you first
• 15:54
  look at it to you want
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: to make sure you're comparing apples to apples.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: So,
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  we encourage you to go out there and shop and look at other
• 16:01
  companies because I
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: know you'll come back and you'll see our value.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of them are just maybe doing similar game drives that we're doing,
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: but they're not including like Cape Town in it.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: And we are, which is huge.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: Again,
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: you might not be a city person,
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: but you're going to love Cape Town,
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: not just the city itself.
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  SPEAKER_00: The drives around there,
• 16:20
  going to see the penguins and to go up into the area where the
• 16:26
  vineyards are.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's absolutely stunning.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a lot to it.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I encourage everybody to take a look and you'll,
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: again,
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: see the value and all the different experiences you'll have on this trip.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: And the vibes, because I'll be there on the first trip.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully I'll get to overlap with you on the second trip.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to make any promises we can't keep,
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: but I feel good that I'll see you at least once.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then...
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: we can like talk about all the stuff that we saw when we get back.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: So it's going to be just great vibes.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 16:54
  And I already know the majority of the people that from
• 16:57
  previous trips that I've
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: already booked the second departure.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're thinking about it, I'm looking at the name list.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: There's some really good people on this, on this trip.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: So you're going to have fun.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: You have a great guides throughout.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: So it's yes, they won't have you incurred on the trip, which is sad.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: But I think at the same time,
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: You're really going to love if you're going for this experience,
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: you're absolutely going to love it for sure.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: And we encourage you to send an email to us.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Give me a call.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'd be happy to talk to you about the trip itself.
• 17:27
  But again,
• 17:27
  having just a few cabins left,
• 17:29
  I know this one will sell out too.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're on the fence again, give me a call, send me an email.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'd be happy to get you on it because this will be our last one for 2027.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: So we'd love to have anybody else join.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'll put all that information in the podcast release.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: Also,
• 17:44
  it pays to be traveler with us because we have a pretty good
• 17:48
  list now of people
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: that are repeat travelers.
• 17:51
  And I think that says a lot about you as someone coordinating
• 17:54
  these trips.
• 17:55
  I think it says a lot about me as someone that is fun to go on
• 17:59
  these trips with.
• 18:00
  Like we have someone that's coming up on this will be their
• 18:03
  fourth trip with us.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: They're high-end experiences.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're fun.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: We don't take ourselves too seriously.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have a good time.
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  SPEAKER_01: The pacing is right.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: If you need to peel off because you need a day to just relax,
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: you can usually do that at the different places.
• 18:18
  It really,
• 18:19
  I feel like while we're leading a trip,
• 18:22
  we also understand it's your trip,
• 18:23
  not ours.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: So if you need to do,
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: like I remember when we did a cooking class,
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Lori standing up on the bus and saying,
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: well,
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: who wants to do that?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: And everyone went except for her.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then Kurt went with her.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: So she wasn't alone.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: But again,
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: if the cooking class isn't your jam,
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: then you can find some way to do something else.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: So just to see if we have time.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: No, it is.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: This is your vacation.
• 18:46
  But I honestly think everything that's in this itinerary,
• 18:48
  you're going to want to join in.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: And again, this is a relaxed pace, too.
• 18:53
  But sometimes we have some earlier game drives to go see the
• 18:56
  animals that are out
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: there early in the morning,
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: which you want to do.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: usually have the afternoon free that you can go into your plunge pool,
• 19:02
  sit by one of the beautiful trees and have having a cocktail or
• 19:07
  something like
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: that.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: So it's really relaxed as well.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: And you have time to take it in.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's really important.
• 19:14
  Sometimes everything is just go,
• 19:16
  go,
• 19:16
  go and see how much you can see and do.
• 19:17
  I mean,
• 19:18
  we are we're going,
• 19:19
  but we still have that time to sit back and relax.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what's really fun about even being on the ship,
• 19:24
  because we're moving around and popping into small little bays
• 19:27
  and seeing when
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: animals come up.
• 19:29
  through these savannas it's stunning you're like you're in the
• 19:32
  comfort of a
• 19:33
  beautiful boat and you're going up and there's you know uh
• 19:36
  elephants coming down to
• 19:38
  water which i love or the hippos just down below you we go
• 19:41
  fishing one time or a
• 19:42
  couple times whatever we want to do and just the wildlife
• 19:45
  around you and it's like
• 19:46
  oh i'm not in a minnesota northern lake right now it's uh it's
• 19:50
  pretty spectacular
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: so uh kurt no swimming off the boat um please on lake kariba with
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: With knowing there's a tiger fish in there,
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: there's these world famous fish that people like to fish for,
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: these sharp teeth,
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: but it's more so you got to watch out for those hippos,
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: of course.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Are there crocodiles?
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, there are.
• 20:11
  So yes,
• 20:12
  there's the crocodiles and the hippos in there,
• 20:14
  so don't go in the water.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: But it's fun to be on our big boat, so it's safe.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: And you get up really up close to everything, which is super cool.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm looking forward to it, Michael.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: Again, I'll put all the information in the podcast notes here.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for joining us.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll see you too.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well,
• 20:31
  I won't see you tomorrow because I'm leaving for Turkey a few
• 20:33
  days early because I
• 20:34
  like to get there and get fresh before you guys all arrive so
• 20:37
  that I have a
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: personality.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: But I'll see you in a couple days in Turkey.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds great.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks so much, Stephanie.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Bye-bye.