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LONDON CALLING EP2: Ran To Japan, Jake Smith & Tim Vincent · Easy Double podcast

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  Yeah, lace them up another way. Another easy double yeah, from
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  the track to the rodeo we talk that talk splits on the watch,
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  but we still take the Mick Dean and Per for the long run.
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  Legs go and break the fire when the session gets thick.
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  Ryan in the mix with the numbers and plans from Everson to medals
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  yeah, we break it all down hard graft Monday left about a Sunday
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  still chasing peeves while the world spins round.
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  Miles in the bank. Heart rate low big dreams, but
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  we take it slow. If you know, then you know the.
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  Hello and welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast London
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  Calling series. My name is Ryan and I am honored
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  to be joined by three of the fastest men who'll be stood on
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  the start line in London Marathon this year as Tim
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  Vincent, the 209 guy, Jake Smith 211, and Jake Barraclough, 240.
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  I was thinking before when I was kind of like putting some notes
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  together for this. There must be, but is there
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  three faster marathoners who've been on one podcast at one time
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  before? We've got an average of 24, 211.
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  That's a good question. It depends.
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  If team has been on a podcast with two others.
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  But it also depends on how many. Like you need a minimum average
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  for as well because you could get 2 or and maybe.
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  That'll do it. 3 plus. Three plus I reckon.
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  This could be Rory, Rory Linklater and Jacob Thompson.
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  They'd go, what, 208 or something.
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  But then there's only two, I think.
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  Yeah, you've got to be 3, three or more, surely.
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  Because there was 1 back in the day, Phil Sussman done one with
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  Mark Scott and I can't remember who hosted it, but Mark hadn't
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  made his debut by then either. So it's a bit of a niche.
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  We'll claim it. Yeah, we'll take it.
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  Welcome to the show anyway, fellas, I was going to start
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  with the accountability actions that we kind of discussed at the
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  end of last week's, the other week's show.
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  How have we been getting on? I might even jump in and see if
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  I can. You guys can police me.
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  Was mine my hip mobility? Yeah, yes.
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  Wait, no, that's I've. I've been good at that.
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  I probably dropped off a little bit but was gone three to four
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  days a week and probably need a pickup since the weekend.
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  You did say there was maybe another one, but you couldn't
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  think at the time. It hasn't came back to you.
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  It did get this, so it did the next day when I was out doing my
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  marathon session and I can't think of it now.
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  Why is it that when you're out running, just all these crazy
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  thoughts come to you? Like you could solve the world's
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  problems on a run, couldn't you? I call it, but it's like those
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  share with thoughts that people have.
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  That's how I refer to it. Like I planned my day and
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  everything. I don't know if the Jakes are
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  the same, but I when I don't run, I'd have no organization or
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  anything in my life. Yeah, yeah, It all falls apart.
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  Running's the glue, but I'm even, I'm like that way.
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  I'll have to bring my, well, I have my phone usually for music,
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  and then I'll pull it out to jot something down because I know
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  otherwise by the time I get home I've forgotten it.
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  That would be some video idea or something like that.
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  It's like, you know, yeah, mid run you get the best thoughts.
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  But then I'm like typing away as I'm jogging along.
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  Like, yeah, this is a banger. I can't forget this.
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  Yeah, well, me. Yeah.
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  Do you do much when you run a bit like organizing and things
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  I. Don't.
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  I don't really know. I just think about what I'm
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  going to get from the bakery afterwards.
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  Valid. I don't really, I'm not like the
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  smartest. I wouldn't say, well, I did OK
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  at school and stuff so I don't really think about much.
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  But then it's weird because then when I go for running, like if I
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  meet you in London, I won't stop talking that that's it's so
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  weird way to be random things. You can show us where all the
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  good bakeries are. No, I don't know anything in
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  London. It's a sweet day to drive.
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  You know, unlike the meta glasses now where you get like
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  the data visual on the screen, like heart rate, pace, distance
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  or whatever. I'm just picturing that's like
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  exactly what is in your mind, Jake, on any run.
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  I thought, well, other Jake would get Would you ever get
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  those glasses for your? Racing.
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  Yeah. I was thinking about that
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  because it's much easier than one of the little head Cam.
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  Yeah, I feel like I'm in their life.
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  But they do bounce a little. Whereas I think I saw the
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  Clayton Young, he wore them in a race and yeah, I can't remember
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  which race it was, but no, I'm tempted.
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  They should hook me up. Little sponsorship.
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  We could. We could make something happen.
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  Still business. If not, you'll be able to
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  expense them on the run to Japan business account anyway.
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  That's my entire life. So actually I literally just
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  filed taxes recently, a couple weeks ago.
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  Literally everything. Basically it's food, the travel,
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  the racing. I realise I do nothing outside
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  of the sort of run to Japan like cover.
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  It's great though, for yeah tax season.
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  What about your twos accountability actions?
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  Jake Smith? Yours was not too down the
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  chocolate share packs every night.
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  Yes, I've, I've hated it. I'm onto the Yoghurts and the
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  stroopwafels yet from Netherlands, but three times a
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  week I'm still having a pot of Haagen Dazs just because I'm
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  not, I'm not stopping that. But yeah, like, like I said, you
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  know about like I'm only weighing myself once every time
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  I'm back home. And I'm trying to, because
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  because of my history, I, I would lose weight too quickly.
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  Whereas it's like some trying to do it.
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  And I'm speaking to like my coach about it, the team about
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  it. I've lost.
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  It was like 0.8 kilos in 2 1/2 weeks, which I think is a very,
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  very healthy amount. But the first week after taking
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  out those short oranges, it wasn't very nice.
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  It was a bit, it was a bit rubbish to be honest.
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  And when you get first gets yogurts, you forget like how
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  they're all right, but they're just, they're just not really
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  dessert for myself anyway. But it's it's going all right.
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  It's going all right. And lastly, Jake Barclough,
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  yours was the sauna and yeah, I see you're not sat and you saw
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  an attempt right now. I'm glad you put it out what it
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  was, because the whole time I was trying to think what was my
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  accountability action? I had no idea what I'd said.
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  How's the sauna been? I feel like I've hit it a few
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  times. Yeah, I've hit a few little
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  sauna sessions. I'm actually, I feel like I'm
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  starting to kind of enjoy it at the start.
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  I hated it. I don't know if it's just it's
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  so cold. It's been like minus something
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  out here, it's actually quite a nice like get back from a run,
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  bang the sauna straight on, jump in there, do a bit of yeah, like
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  I'll eat in it. I watch watch them YouTube.
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  It's great. So yeah, I feel like I've been,
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  I've been on that. Is there any sort of like time
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  cap that you're trying to do or just till you get bored?
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  I usually go half an hour usually just because, because
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  it's so cheap. It's like literally the most
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  sort of budget. Literally.
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  Yeah. Well, it's a tent, isn't it?
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  It takes about half an hour to warm up, and the longest you can
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  run it for is an hour. So pretty much by the time it's
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  warmed up, I jump in. Gives me half an hour and that's
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  enough to get a pretty good sweat on.
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  Tim, you would have maybe been exposed to sauna and as like
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  more of a scientific way of doing it in like Falls Creek, it
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  seems like everyone hammers it whilst they're up there.
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  You'd think that we just literally finish around and go
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  and sit in there and I can't think of a better way to say it.
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  Excuse me? Language chat shit.
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  It is literally nothing more scientific than that, so maybe
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  it should be. I think a lot of us just try and
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  do 20 minutes if we can and if we feel too cooked we get out.
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  And maybe for the listeners perspective who might be
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  thinking why on earth elite athletes sitting in a sauna, is
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  it like it's red blood cell production, isn't it?
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  It just kind of helps with that, a bit of a top up.
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  Some blood plasma I believe is more heat.
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  Could be wrong and then usually it's something I'd probably do
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  if I was going to a warmer climate than what I was training
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  in. Two weeks.
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  Well, we'll stay with Tim Vincent because this weekend
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  he's just raced 1/2 marathon over in Belgium, I believe at
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  Bashir's Run and ran a PB. I won't steal your Thunder.
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  So yeah, I guess over to you, Tim, Kind of.
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  Tell us how you trained up towards it.
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  Did you tape her? Did you do any specific half
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  sessions or was it just part of your full block?
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  And the lads feel free to pick his brains because you're more
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  accredited than I. The craziest thing I'd say to
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  start with is like, I did nothing different.
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  If anything, my preparation I'd say was probably better for
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  marigami. And maybe in a sense, like part
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  of my reflection so far is like, these things maybe happen on the
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  day where you don't plan them or don't try as hard or put less
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  pressure on. I could probably pick two or
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  three times in the last year where I thought, you know, it
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  might happen there and it didn't.
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  So yeah, good learning curve. And I'm to be honest, I actually
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  really don't care about the time.
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  I'm more just happy to be going in the right direction again
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  because I felt for a few months that it was weird, couldn't put
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  my finger on it, but it just wasn't clicking.
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  So yeah, kind of glad to just be out of that.
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  It's, it's great that that because you were kind of
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  speaking last week about maybe being a little bit unsure of
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  where training was at and stuff, especially with the shorter
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  stuff and like the kind of the top end of marathon pace and now
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  running that run. I guess that leaves you sitting
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  in a lot better place confidence wise to go and attack the rest
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  of the block. Absolutely.
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  It's I've had that thought myself and it's probably exactly
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  what I needed. Like it's always nice to know
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  the legs can move that quick. And now, for example, with the
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  marathon, it's like, OK, can I, can I go the distance?
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  And yeah, I've got plenty of work to do because I actually
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  haven't done a whole lot of marathon stuff yet.
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  But yeah, I'm much happier of I guess where I'm sitting or just
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  having that result. It'll do my confidence of what a
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  good. You were saying offline you kind
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  of went into a little bit blind, like just went run to fail for a
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  long way. That was the plan, always.
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  Yeah, this is an interesting one.
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  Like I'm big on running to fail and my last few races, like we'd
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  been going to like I usually go fail and then what your
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  trainings kind of indicating. And we'd gone more towards like
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  probably where what should have been, if that makes sense, Like
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  what indicated what I could run and just get in every race and
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  it just folded pieces, but we couldn't put a finger on it.
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  So this one we actually went the opposite way and said, you know,
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  there's 61 pesos 6130 and there was nothing after that.
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  And I would have probably liked a 6230 or even touched slower
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  given my racing results. So just kind of like ran to
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  feel. I knew 10 minutes in I could
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  picture my coach because I was like look, I haven't got this
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  wrong because I'm running to feel, but if I don't finish at
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  this pace, I'm going to get abused because I've gone out and
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  done everything I said I wouldn't do.
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  And I knew the split to the 1st 10 minutes in particular, I knew
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  it was pretty much that low two 50s were the same as Murugami
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  and whatnot. So if it fell apart, I would
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  have, yeah, I'm, I can laugh at it now.
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  But yeah, it's just so weird how on some days, like we probably
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  could have talked out there, like the sensation and rate of
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  perceived exertion was so low that day, completely different
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  day, just like already out of breath.
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  So yeah, a lot of learning out of that.
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  A lot of the time when people race in the marathon blocks,
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  they use it as like a bit of a simulation in terms of like
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  doing all the race care, doing like a bit of a mini car bloat
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  and almost pretending like it's marathon day was.
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  Did that form any part of it? I took the exact opposite
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  approach, like I'm usually trying to be pretty regulated in
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  that sense and this one is probably the smallest taper of
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  done. I think we still ran 150K
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  including the race. I think I had a kebab for lunch
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  the day before, which I'd never do.
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  Yeah, I was just like really relaxed and obviously cared and
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  was going to run as hard as I could.
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  But maybe those things like in reflection, like just allow me
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  to be me and take a bit of the pressure off.
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  You're going to do that before London now?
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  A kebab the day before. I'd love to, Jake.
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  Don't tell me. Maybe we go for a kebab after.
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  But look if they assume maybe meals are at the hotel or
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  whatnot. I don't actually.
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  Know, but maybe I maybe I asked for a kebab.
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  Well, yeah, 6117 was the result. So congratulations, put your
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  number 13 on the Aussie all time list.
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  Does that kind of change perspective or anything going
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  into the rest of the block or you're just going to carry on
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  doing what you were doing with a bit more confidence?
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  I think I'll definitely take a lot of confidence out of it.
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  I do see with the shoes and stuff we have access to now that
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  I see the half and the marathon, there's pretty different events.
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  Like I think the shoes actually do cushion the half in a sense.
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  Like you can actually really get away in 1/2 I think with not as
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  much conditioning as what we used to have to have.
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  So that'll be a big focus for me now is like, cool, the leg
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  speed's probably in a better spot than I thought it was on on
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  my best day. And then just got to try and in
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  order to, you know, bite off a bit more and have a good run,
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  got to be able to go the distance.
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  The new R6 kit is nice by the way as well, isn't?
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  It I like the little tinge of green and we've been trying to
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  work out whether it's clouds or cherry blossoms for Tokyo
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  Marathon. There's a little pattern down
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  the bottom, the colours are nice and there's a little, yeah, I
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  guess intricate pattern that most of the photos won't pick
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  up. And the arm sleeves are pretty
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  nice too. And all the travel over there
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  went smoothly. Did you fly just like an hour or
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  so? Is it to Belgium?
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  Yeah, the travel was pretty good.
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  This is the other thing that might have helped me relax is it
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  was all the day before. I'd typically get in maybe 2
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  days earlier or for a marathon even possibly earlier.
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  And then obviously if it's across the other side of the
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  world, it'd be a week. So this was like day before.
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  Got in there at, I want to say like 4:00 PM.
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  Went and had a dinner with everyone straight to bed and it
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  was almost like there was actual no downtime to do anything.
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  You just kind of. It was just one big process.
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  I've really enjoyed that as well.
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  Yeah, nice. And I guess just to touch on
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  your Countrymen teammate Liam was up, Liam Bootham was also
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  there and also run very fast time 61 low is he was obviously
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  buzzing with that too. He was pretty happy with his
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  run. I won't speak too much on his
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  behalf, but like we're both a little bit frustrated at the end
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  of the brace. Like it was slightly long and we
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  weren't able to kick. Just the way the course was set
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  up. Like we actually didn't know
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  we'd already finished and a few of the manual K markers were
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  just out. So we were probably thinking we
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  were already up to 800 metres. You get what I'm saying?
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  Yeah, we were probably about 800 metres out in what we thought we
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  were at. So both of us, like I'm done,
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  very happy, big PB and whatnot, but we've probably both got a
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  bit more time to go on a nicer course and obviously another
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  barrier being 61 dead maybe on a different day that's probably
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  lingering in both our minds. Yeah, that's frustrating, isn't
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  it? How's that ended up happening?
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  Is it like official measured course and what athletic
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  certified and all this Well? Yeah, I think it's a new course
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  this year. So the path usually follows this
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  river. I'll use that term loosely.
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  I actually, I don't know a different word for it.
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  It's very, we'll call it a river, but there's a path, full
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  path beside it. I think they said there's a new
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  bridge going in or some work. So this year instead kind of had
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  some cobble cobbles and just 90° turns about the same distance,
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  but it just didn't go anywhere near this long straight path,
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  which was a traditional course. They must have got the measuring
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  wrong or didn't account for something.
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  And it turned out that the finish was actually at the start
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  of when we entered the track, not the full way round on the
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  other side. So everyone's gearing up to go,
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  but you've already finished. Does that mean when you finished
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  the right, did you surely the time on the clock saying what 62
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  or 63 did you realize? That it?
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  Well, I was still happy. Yeah, it's funny, Jake, because
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  I was like when I crossed it was 6149 and I've still got my watch
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  on 7K splits. It's a weird thing I do, but
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  that's what my watch splits on 7 KS.
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  So I was getting them during the race and I saw 6149 at the end
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  and I was like, boy, like my garments lied to me so bad this
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  morning. I thought I was properly on.
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  Like I just thought I'd lost. Yeah, a few 100 meters.
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  Like I couldn't put it together, but once again, it still would
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  have been a PB. So I was like, whatever.
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  And then yeah, that kind of moved it back a bit.
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  They had us. They actually had it like a mat
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  and it was timed so they knew, but they just didn't tell us
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  because I think they wanted the photos and all about it the
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  other spot. Did you do any like kind of half
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  specific sessions in the couple of weeks prior or is it all just
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  been kind of like normal marathon training?
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  I didn't, but I can talk you through it.
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  You could almost argue in a sense that they're like relevant
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  to the half, but probably not specific.
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  So the last two weeks before on a Tuesday did 8 by Kay.
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  First one would have been in Brisbane and it was the nicest
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  one we did in ages because the weather was horrible and we had
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  a marathon session Friday. So I think we sat at 250 fives
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  most of the morning to 53, which was like a little bit not a cop
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  out, but we really kind of took it quite nice.
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  That's on a track too. Then Friday, so week out 6 by 3K
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  with two-minute jog. I averaged I think 3 wells for
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  the whole morning and I was running probably 3 O sevens for
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  my 3 KS. Once again, a bit warmer in
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  Brisbane but I ran to effort and that's kind of me and my coach
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  thought that was probably. Marathon effort for Brisbane, if
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  that makes sense. Like if we were to run this race
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  in how many weeks time in those conditions in Brisbane, That's
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  probably where I'm at. So over the next few weeks I've
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  got to learn what that pace is in this climate.
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  And then just 8 by K at Saint Mary's on nose track.
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  I don't even know what we ran. 2250 twos probably the Tuesday
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  before and then 10 minute tempo on Friday.
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  Nice. When you talk about coach,
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  you're referring to Nick, Nick Pedos.
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  He's he's sat in all your training and stuff.
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  I'm still coached by Jackson Elliott down at Gold Coast Run
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  Co and just managed by Nick and Collis at Melbourne Track Club.
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  OK. Will.
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  Do you have much of an insight into how the rest of your block
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  will differ compared to like a typical MTC type block?
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  If you know it's kind of quite well known with the six by
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  three, K4 by 5K, how they press that.
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  Will yours be similar or not? I assume it'll be pretty similar
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  because it'd be like Liam and I are very lucky to have each
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  other in this setting in that sense, so may as well use each
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  other for training. So we'll we'll probably end up
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  doing the same workouts I guess. I actually don't even know what
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  we're doing tomorrow, so I really keep it quite loosey
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  goosey and I'll just go with the flow.
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  But yeah, I actually think that'll probably be tomorrow
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  will coming up something like 5 by 4K.
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  You think you might have A5 by 4K tomorrow?
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  That's classed as if it's just nothing.
• 21:45
  To be honest, I run them to effort though.
• 21:47
  Like I, it's, it's really interesting.
• 21:49
  You could talk all day about this stuff.
• 21:51
  Like I maybe I don't train my marathon sessions hard enough,
• 21:56
  but I kind of run each of them to how I'm feeling out at that
• 22:01
  point in time. If I had to run a marathon then
• 22:03
  and there, and usually that means it's a fair few seconds
• 22:07
  slower than actual race pace. Yeah, it was probably the smart
• 22:11
  way too. And this wasn't even pun
• 22:13
  intended. I just seen Jake's faces are
• 22:15
  saying the smart way to train. Yeah, I just found it probably
• 22:20
  better and yeah, it's anyway. So I always blow up if I just
• 22:26
  chase race pace or bit faster most of the time.
• 22:28
  So I just pull it back a bit. It's funny, yeah, you said that.
• 22:32
  I was thinking the exact same when like for example, when you
• 22:35
  ran your PB, that's what, like 3 O 4K?
• 22:39
  What in training then? So you never did like, you know,
• 22:43
  the classic sustained reps, I don't know, 3 by 8K3 by 10K,
• 22:47
  something like that. You wouldn't ever have actually
• 22:50
  hit that three O 4K during training.
• 22:53
  Not not for more than a few K at a time.
• 22:57
  I think the best session I did from memory before that, which
• 23:02
  was don't get me wrong, this they're not all like this like
• 23:04
  this was probably if anything overtraining.
• 23:06
  I think I did something like 4 by 3K but after the 3K went
• 23:11
  straight into 1K hard. So they're almost 4K reps and I
• 23:15
  think those were like 30 fives and then the 1K was like 254 and
• 23:19
  then AK float between that. Everything else would have been
• 23:22
  like three 10s for longer sustained durations.
• 23:27
  Impressive. Big No.
• 23:29
  Thank you. Yeah, huge.
• 23:33
  And I guess lastly, you've travelled across the world in
• 23:37
  between the last two episodes. So how?
• 23:39
  How did that all go? Oh yeah.
• 23:43
  I probably haven't even mentioned that.
• 23:44
  So we were the last Qatar Airways flight to London.
• 23:49
  We only had a one hour stop because we were late getting in
• 23:52
  there and we had that Starlink Wi-Fi.
• 23:54
  So we had our phones up and watching YouTube and whatever
• 23:57
  watching ran to Japan. And then, yeah, we see all the
• 24:02
  news pop up about the airspace closure closure.
• 24:05
  So we just got out and we got caught in there or didn't get
• 24:09
  through it all. So very lucky it's worked out
• 24:12
  for us. And then I pulled up all right
• 24:14
  on the other side. But yeah, might have to go home
• 24:18
  through Vancouver. We'll worry about that later.
• 24:23
  Yeah, that's very well timed then, isn't it?
• 24:25
  And the jet lag wasn't so bad. I find coming over really good.
• 24:29
  I pull up horribly when I go back, but I'm also less
• 24:33
  concerned about that. And I think I take not as good
• 24:36
  care of myself because I've usually just raced.
• 24:39
  I might have a beer or two and then I'm just like, I know I
• 24:43
  don't have to race, if that make makes any sense.
• 24:46
  So I think it's a combination of both of that.
• 24:50
  But yeah, I usually am worse on the way back.
• 24:54
  Yeah, all the marginal things are out the window on the way
• 24:56
  back. Absolutely.
• 24:58
  Yeah, all. Right Jake Barclough, Tokyo
• 25:01
  Marathon What, two weeks on Sunday ago?
• 25:05
  Was it one week on Sunday ago? Two weeks and Sunday was about
• 25:10
  10 days ago. Yeah, it was like a while back.
• 25:15
  Yeah, so I mean, I guess everyone largely would have
• 25:19
  followed your journey and seen you the light.
• 25:22
  You've done a live stream for anyone who doesn't know, like
• 25:25
  almost the day before live stream the day after.
• 25:28
  So unreal coverage like the content that goes out on YouTube
• 25:33
  is good enough as it is, let alone like literally following
• 25:36
  your life live during race weekend.
• 25:38
  And for anyone who has been living under a rock, yeah, he
• 25:44
  was teasing us whether he would make the start line or not.
• 25:46
  And we didn't push him for an answer.
• 25:49
  But yeah, give us give us a rundown of the weekend, Jake.
• 25:53
  Yeah, I feel like actually when we recorded, I think that was
• 25:56
  when I was on training camp, but hadn't ran a step since getting
• 26:01
  there. So I can't, I don't think I
• 26:03
  mentioned it in the podcast. There's a trouble with having to
• 26:06
  save things for the YouTube. It's like almost.
• 26:08
  I don't want to give away too much, just spoil whatever the
• 26:12
  video is coming up. Yeah, I was pretty much, I think
• 26:17
  almost when we were actually recording last time.
• 26:20
  I say I was like 99% sure I wasn't running because I hadn't
• 26:24
  ran a step. I was still in pain just walking
• 26:26
  about. And then, yeah, sort of my knee
• 26:30
  came good, like just before the race.
• 26:35
  I mean by good. It was like I could manage.
• 26:37
  I think I managed a 10K jog. So that was the longest I ran in
• 26:39
  two weeks before Tokyo, and it was like I wasn't in pain then.
• 26:45
  So I kind of thought I'll basically start the race.
• 26:48
  And yeah, I've gone into all the detail on these live streams.
• 26:50
  I won't go too much, but basically, yeah, I'll start the
• 26:53
  race, use it as effectively like a training stimulus.
• 26:58
  And to me, it's like, I think I've always thought this, that
• 27:02
  if I'm racing like a target race, a bit different, if it's
• 27:05
  like one of those local races, I'm using it as like a hard 40
• 27:09
  KFL FA, like 42 K effort. But for something like Tokyo, if
• 27:13
  I build it up, there's a big effort, whether I run, yeah,
• 27:17
  2:15 or drop out or run three hours.
• 27:22
  Those to me are exactly the same.
• 27:24
  Like it's literally the identical same time.
• 27:28
  I know like some of you won't be able to understand that, but
• 27:30
  just the, my mindset is that I'm running for PB, I'm running to
• 27:35
  PB, whatever. So I'm going to go out at that
• 27:37
  pace until I physically can't. So it's like coming into this
• 27:40
  race, I had no expectation that I'd be at a finish.
• 27:44
  I was thinking maybe I'll get to like 10K, even 20K because I've
• 27:48
  done even just like a few reps like the day before, few days
• 27:52
  before, couple strides and I was like flat out striding at sort
• 27:56
  of 310 AK. It was genuinely flat out like
• 28:00
  100 metres. It's like, yeah, my body just
• 28:03
  doesn't do well with a sort of sudden two week down period.
• 28:07
  So then you end up just committing to it.
• 28:10
  And I actually felt a lot better than I expected.
• 28:13
  And yeah, went through halfway and I was, it was our quickest,
• 28:16
  yeah, half split ever in American.
• 28:18
  Like 65 low had been on like 208 pace for the 1st 10K.
• 28:24
  The classic Japanese style. Got anything done at that?
• 28:27
  And K split by the way when you see this.
• 28:31
  Almost out five Ki was thinking I'm not going to make the 10K.
• 28:36
  So when it came, I was more just surprised that I hadn't
• 28:40
  completely like completely obliterated by then.
• 28:44
  So it was it was more just I was like, OK, just get to the next
• 28:47
  5K next 5K next. Like it was more like, yeah,
• 28:49
  just hang in this group I'm in for as long as possible.
• 28:52
  The pace you just meant to it like I kind of I go back and
• 28:57
  forward thinking. Oh, it's genius because like
• 29:00
  they just have like the biggest bulls.
• 29:03
  The Japanese guys, they do it every race.
• 29:05
  Like so many guys will just completely bomb out.
• 29:08
  But then it's like that one race that they nail, that's when they
• 29:12
  actually smash their PB and I kind of see it's like if you
• 29:15
  have your day, it's really like what Tim was saying where your
• 29:18
  fitness probably hasn't changed from Maragami to the recent
• 29:22
  half. It like it's so close together
• 29:24
  but you can run what, 2 minute difference over the same
• 29:28
  distance effectively you're the same shape.
• 29:31
  Just like when you have one of those days.
• 29:33
  I guess it's a bit like that with the marathon where you just
• 29:36
  they commit to it completely. I thought might as well go with
• 29:38
  this and just see what happens. Any point?
• 29:43
  Did you have like a fleeting thought?
• 29:45
  Like, shit, I actually could be on here.
• 29:48
  Or was it always like kind of slowly, the effort rising too
• 29:52
  quickly? I'd say at no point during that
• 29:57
  race did I think I was going to finish almost.
• 30:00
  That was, I think because less so like aerobically actually, it
• 30:07
  was that promising aerobically how good it felt.
• 30:10
  It was more just like mechanically I was so tight like
• 30:16
  yeah, because you when you go from just doing nothing to
• 30:19
  suddenly absolutely ripping. Like yeah, if it had been two
• 30:24
  weeks inside ran under 430 AK bar a couple strides pre race.
• 30:30
  And then it was more just every little everything else, like bar
• 30:35
  the knee. The knee was surprisingly good,
• 30:36
  but then every other part of my body was just killing me.
• 30:41
  I guess for us on the outside looking in, it's easier to look
• 30:45
  at it objectively with no emotion because you're you're
• 30:48
  the athlete, it's your train and it's your race.
• 30:50
  So you have all this emotion attached to it.
• 30:53
  So that may be why people can look at it and be like, well,
• 30:58
  it's no surprise you're still able to run quite fast for 30K
• 31:01
  because you had banked all this training prior.
• 31:04
  But obviously in your mind you've got like you ever shit,
• 31:07
  my knees been killing. I haven't been able to run.
• 31:10
  So that's kind of why you've taken the positive spin from it.
• 31:13
  Like it's actually a decent results and you're gonna well,
• 31:17
  you tell me how you feel. And now to for the rest of the
• 31:19
  bill. Yeah, this is 2 parts.
• 31:22
  It was like 1. I was thinking there's a very
• 31:26
  good chance I had to pull out early because my knee starts
• 31:28
  hurting because even I think 3 days or four days before, I was
• 31:32
  still getting pain on like a 5K jog.
• 31:35
  So that was the biggest thing in my head.
• 31:37
  I was like, there's a very good chance I get 2K into this and
• 31:41
  like I've not tested it at that pace at all and I'm going to
• 31:44
  have to pull the plug there. And that was obviously a danger,
• 31:47
  but I was like, yeah, if it hurts at all, I'm.
• 31:49
  I'm calling it. So that was like a big positive.
• 31:51
  But then also like, I don't know, there must be some genetic
• 31:57
  thing involved where I've always found if I take time off, I am
• 32:02
  just genuinely useless coming back.
• 32:04
  I know some people can sort of bounce back straight back in,
• 32:07
  but I've always been that way where my body just completely
• 32:11
  shuts down. Like yeah, I feel like I can put
• 32:15
  on about 5 KG in a week. Like I've done it before, like
• 32:18
  just from eating normally, but just when I stop running, it's
• 32:22
  like my body just yeah, it's like, right, we're done.
• 32:24
  So I think, yeah, for me it was like overall a very positive
• 32:28
  that like I gained a lot of confidence knowing that, yeah,
• 32:32
  it was hard, but it didn't feel impossible going at that through
• 32:36
  halfway at 210 phase, which is something I've never attempted
• 32:40
  before really. And like, yeah.
• 32:43
  So to me it's like, OK, it gives promise that in the future
• 32:47
  there's definitely something that is doable.
• 32:51
  And you're largely like run off, fail and RPE.
• 32:56
  But do you have any sort of inclination as to like if you've
• 32:59
  got, do you wear a heart rate monitor for one?
• 33:01
  And if you do, if you like glance at your watch and see X
• 33:05
  heart rate 180 or 185. But like that might be a red
• 33:09
  flag. Or do you not really relate to?
• 33:13
  No, it could say 200 and it wouldn't affect that.
• 33:17
  To be fair, I felt like before at the end of Tokyo or it was
• 33:21
  Gold Coast, maybe I was 200 for the last like 8K or something
• 33:27
  like it's sickeningly high. So I don't really pay attention
• 33:29
  because I'm not I don't wear arm the armband anyway, so I just
• 33:34
  I've got the wrist on and I'll check it post race because
• 33:37
  that's instinct. It's like you can kind of
• 33:39
  compare it after, but during it is purely just feel, instinct,
• 33:43
  that kind of thing. So the Dan Nash approach, does
• 33:48
  that grind your gears? Yeah, he's the complete polar
• 33:53
  opposite. No, but that's not, it's funny
• 33:55
  because it's like we could not be training more different.
• 33:58
  But I love his podcast still. OK, lastly, how how you feel and
• 34:03
  then now how did you pull off did the knees OK and stuff?
• 34:08
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Knees been good since I took a
• 34:11
  bit of an easier week. I'm trying to just reset my back
• 34:15
  at the moment. I've had like this crazy
• 34:17
  imbalance for ages, sort of stiffness in my backs.
• 34:21
  Use it a little downtime to try and like less KS than that to
• 34:25
  try and sort of research. I think it's so hard when I'm
• 34:27
  actually hammering it to try and correct stuff like that, all the
• 34:31
  mechanics and things, because you're just actually pounding
• 34:33
  like the mileage every day. Whereas I kind of used, yeah,
• 34:37
  there was no pain, but just I was a little tired after
• 34:40
  obviously. So then took a bit of a chill
• 34:42
  week to sort of, yeah, reset hopefully smashing these
• 34:46
  exercises trying to, because the moment I've got this massive
• 34:49
  imbalance left and right side, I'm just trying to fix that.
• 34:52
  And yeah, at the moment I'm running it running a little
• 34:54
  wonky. I went and looked on you Strava
• 34:58
  before ahead of this and noticed it's gone dark for the past week
• 35:03
  or so. So I mean, I assume we're not
• 35:06
  going to find out the answer as to as to why on here and we'll
• 35:09
  have to wait for the weekend video.
• 35:12
  You got away for the weekend vid I'm afraid.
• 35:14
  I hate to do it, but it would be absolutely rookie marketing
• 35:19
  there to go and and spoil such a banger of a vid.
• 35:22
  When's this coming up, by the way?
• 35:25
  24 hours maybe? All right, there we go.
• 35:29
  Anyone listening, stay tuned. Sunday's video.
• 35:32
  It's a banger. It's a game changer.
• 35:36
  But yeah, the people are getting anxious in the comments.
• 35:39
  They think they're worried that you're injured, but you can
• 35:41
  confirm you're not injured. I know I've seen the the current
• 35:45
  start flooding it. It took about one day only.
• 35:48
  It was, I think it was one day no activity and I had maybe 3 or
• 35:52
  4 ready being like what's happened?
• 35:54
  Where are you? What what you're doing?
• 35:56
  It's like you can't fly under the radar on there's people on
• 36:01
  it. One other thing, by the way,
• 36:05
  those live streams, they're wild like the class and I don't know
• 36:09
  how many people you're getting a couple of 1000 people in them,
• 36:11
  aren't you? Like, I don't know how you're
• 36:13
  managing it, but with the increase in visibility that you
• 36:18
  get, and I don't know if you can, you notice this, You seem
• 36:22
  to handle it very well anyway, but it seems to be as you grow,
• 36:26
  you start to get a few people who aren't cheering for you as
• 36:29
  well, which it probably happens in life in general.
• 36:32
  So how? How are you handling the haters?
• 36:37
  I've always wanted more. I was gutted before that.
• 36:40
  It was all just far too positive.
• 36:42
  Clearly I wasn't big time enough.
• 36:44
  Whereas I feel like now you start getting some haters, it
• 36:47
  feels like, yeah, really, I kind of quite enjoy it.
• 36:52
  I get a little bit of satisfaction out of it.
• 36:56
  Maybe. I guess it's lucky that because
• 36:58
  I'm so unbelievably stubborn with my approach that I'm going
• 37:02
  to do things whatever I think's best for me.
• 37:05
  So like, yeah, people can can trash however they want they
• 37:11
  can. Yeah, the whole shots disagree
• 37:13
  with the approach, all of that. That's actually fine.
• 37:16
  It's great entertainment for me and it's not going to change
• 37:19
  anything I do. So yeah, it's all good
• 37:21
  entertainment. The fact that you'll remain so
• 37:25
  Stonewall about it as well and like unfazed will only like
• 37:28
  rattle them more. I know, I know, I know.
• 37:31
  It's. It's quite easy to trigger some
• 37:34
  people. You know, if anyone who follows
• 37:37
  the F1, Max Verstappen has always been quite like mustard,
• 37:40
  hasn't he? Like hate him or love him?
• 37:42
  And then I remember seeing him last year get asked about his
• 37:45
  haters and he was like, I need some new haters because the old
• 37:48
  ones have all turned into fans. It's.
• 37:54
  Converting them, yeah. Oh well, good stuff.
• 37:59
  We'll we'll TuneIn on the weekend to see what Strava Dark
• 38:02
  is all about. Lovely stuff.
• 38:06
  There we go. Jake Smith has been sitting
• 38:11
  quietly, patiently, thinking about his race on the weekend,
• 38:15
  thinking about his heart rate from this morning, thinking
• 38:17
  about his lactate from last week.
• 38:19
  How's it going? But for you, Jake.
• 38:22
  Yeah, going very well. Very excited for this.
• 38:25
  It's like the British champs this weekend.
• 38:27
  Barf, I won it last year, but this year it's quite a bit
• 38:31
  stronger, but it's perfect weather.
• 38:35
  Well, I mean for myself, I think it's supposed to be like 35 mile
• 38:41
  per hour gusts in wind. So I that's like perfect for me.
• 38:46
  You always end up in the wind, don't you?
• 38:50
  It was all in last year I think. I think honestly, the best
• 38:53
  weather I had was London and that was quite warm because it
• 38:57
  was like great every time I stepped on the line.
• 38:59
  And then someone's already messaged me before Bath saying I
• 39:03
  shouldn't, I shouldn't have signed up because you're doing
• 39:06
  it because I knew the weather's going to be bad.
• 39:08
  But it's, yeah. So on average, it's like 20 mile
• 39:12
  per hour winds. It's going to be gusts of maybe
• 39:14
  60 Commons per hour. And I'm just buzzing.
• 39:17
  I I love that sort of stuff. It's going to be tough because I
• 39:23
  mean, there's Joe Wakefield of Manthor, Ben Connor, Phil
• 39:26
  Sessman, 2 of the guys already have the time for the world's.
• 39:31
  So I think they want it to be slow.
• 39:33
  I'm not going to let it be slow. Yeah, it it would be very, very
• 39:39
  tough to do it on that course because it's a very thing is
• 39:43
  they say that there's that like big hill at the very end, but
• 39:46
  you do get that downhill the first case.
• 39:48
  So like it does what's equal out.
• 39:52
  Almost like I know Phil was doing Berlin in two weeks and he
• 39:58
  wants a fast time. If two of the guys already have
• 40:01
  the time, like I mean Wakefield burn, he'll just chop it.
• 40:04
  He only wants to do is get to the top of the hill, 200 meters
• 40:07
  and outsprint us all. So I'm going, he's got the time
• 40:12
  as well. Does he?
• 40:13
  Yes. So those two at the time, I'm
• 40:15
  hoping Ben, Connor and I just lead it out and I'm just gonna,
• 40:19
  yeah, just throw everything at these guys.
• 40:23
  I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going in and being a wet wipe
• 40:26
  basically and letting it be slow.
• 40:27
  I'm not, I'm not. I'm won a hard effort, so like
• 40:33
  in this 62 range would be really good.
• 40:35
  Like just if I lead it out like anywhere in the 62 minute.
• 40:41
  But I'm yeah, it's going to be a tough one, but I'm quite excited
• 40:45
  to race them. Yes.
• 40:47
  So you, as you say, you won it last year in 60 to 20 and you
• 40:51
  know your numbers inside out. Do you think on paper,
• 40:54
  objectively, you're a bit fitter than last year?
• 40:57
  Oh, yeah. Because like just looking at
• 40:59
  like, the sessions I've been doing and it's like starting my
• 41:04
  half marathon in February, running 61, I'm already another
• 41:08
  step forward. That's why I'm quite happy.
• 41:12
  The wind is like quite bad because it's like it's one of
• 41:16
  those, you know, I know you can't compare every race because
• 41:20
  like for example, last year I had Darry Griffiths who took the
• 41:24
  first 5K out in 1417. So like, but then it was like
• 41:28
  the last 10 miles was just just got slower and slower because
• 41:32
  you went out so odd. A bit like the Japanese
• 41:35
  approach. So it actually worked.
• 41:37
  But but the I'm quite happy. Like the weather's like a bit
• 41:43
  rubbish because you can't really, and it's a proper race.
• 41:46
  So you can't really compare because I'm one to, I would turn
• 41:50
  up to a park run if it's Cardiff, if I did it six months
• 41:52
  later if it was. And I will compare no matter
• 41:55
  what the weather is, but I kind of because this is a proper
• 41:58
  race, I'm just hoping I just don't go full back inside and
• 42:01
  actually just go out and race it.
• 42:04
  And like you said, it's it's a tough one because when I did it
• 42:08
  last year, it was quite a big priority for me to try and win
• 42:11
  it. Whereas because I was, I knew
• 42:14
  for London there was I couldn't run like the world champs time
• 42:17
  or anything. Whereas this year my main focus
• 42:21
  now is London because I think I'm in a position where I could
• 42:24
  run that 2/09/30 time. So I like Tim was saying like it
• 42:30
  wasn't, he didn't do much of A taper into his last half.
• 42:34
  And mine's fairly similar because London is the bigger
• 42:37
  aim. Yeah, my where I'm going
• 42:42
  actually for a world record there, me and my sisters.
• 42:46
  So it's like the fastest mixed three siblings.
• 42:50
  So like if I run 62 minus is still run probably 71 and then
• 42:55
  the youngest one who's doing a first half should run 78.
• 42:59
  So we yeah, but the yeah. So we're going for a world
• 43:02
  record as a family. That's class.
• 43:05
  Do you know what time you have to be?
• 43:08
  It is terrible. It's one hour, 51 per person.
• 43:11
  It's like we should put two hours on it.
• 43:16
  There's no interest. You have to do like that.
• 43:19
  You have to like put, you know, you have to like go onto the
• 43:21
  website and put your name for it.
• 43:23
  But I have a feeling as soon as we do it, you know, you're going
• 43:26
  to get like Henrik, Jakob and the sister.
• 43:32
  And we're like, yeah, see you later.
• 43:35
  But you have to all be in it like the same race.
• 43:37
  And and it's one of those as well.
• 43:40
  It's, I'm don't want to sound sexist, but if you had two
• 43:43
  brothers and a sister, because males are quicker, like we're in
• 43:48
  a bit of a disadvantage, but we should be running around 3 1/2
• 43:53
  hour mark for three of us, which is it's not bad for a little
• 43:58
  family. Yeah, so your sister who is
• 44:02
  going to run like maybe 70 low, she's been running for a while
• 44:06
  and because that's bloody good going.
• 44:08
  Yeah, I paced her in 24. She ran a 231 marathon in
• 44:12
  Valencia and then just came third at National Cross.
• 44:15
  So I used to train her, but it got never train your sister,
• 44:19
  it's tough, never train her. But she's now with a brilliant
• 44:23
  coach and she's just been getting better and better.
• 44:26
  And then my youngest sisters just got into it and I don't
• 44:30
  know what it is with my family. We can just for some reason just
• 44:33
  take up running away a decent standard.
• 44:37
  But there is a bit of competition between those two
• 44:39
  and I can already see it. So yeah.
• 44:44
  And my youngest sister will probably, because I'm, I'm
• 44:46
  helping you out with coaching, will probably leave me after
• 44:48
  this race anyway because she doesn't listen.
• 44:51
  So it's good fun and I think it's quite nice going into Bath
• 44:58
  altogether. So it's like, whatever happens,
• 45:01
  if you have to, if you blow up, just walk to the finish.
• 45:03
  We'll get the record, but just walk like finish.
• 45:07
  It should be good fun. Are they big into the data as
• 45:11
  well? No, Molly, no, she doesn't work
• 45:14
  hard and monitor or anything. It's just me.
• 45:16
  I think because I talked to Dan Nash a lot, I think I've fallen
• 45:19
  into that trap. I do love my data.
• 45:23
  Like if you asked me to take my lactic after the race, I
• 45:25
  probably would. But I know like for Sunday, I
• 45:30
  know like just I'm just almost gonna because I think I'll have
• 45:34
  to front run it. I know I can almost hold like
• 45:37
  two 55258 OK, just don't go any quicker than that and just sit
• 45:43
  at the front and try and hurt wig wigging.
• 45:46
  But it's just I just don't know how to beat that guy.
• 45:49
  That's the problem. So it's going to be quite
• 45:53
  interesting. Well, it's class and it's
• 45:55
  exciting that you're so brave enough and to take it on and not
• 46:00
  be like, well, I'll just kind of sit in the park and like take a
• 46:05
  place. You got to get after it.
• 46:07
  Yeah, but then it just, I think the problem is it's like you
• 46:10
  bring the other the other guys in it and I think I was speaking
• 46:13
  to Hugo far after Barcelona and he'll probably be at the front
• 46:16
  for a bit anyway because he wants it hard.
• 46:19
  His camera time. Is it live streamed?
• 46:22
  Sorry, is it live streamed? I don't know, I'm hoping it is,
• 46:27
  but last year they had like a lead vehicle.
• 46:30
  But they might, they should bring a lead bike in because I
• 46:33
  think it will be quite interesting.
• 46:36
  Is even the women's failed class as well?
• 46:39
  The women's is, yeah, I think most of the women who are doing
• 46:42
  it on doing a marathon maybe just judge potentially.
• 46:47
  But Alex Bow I don't think is doing it.
• 46:51
  But like, Lily Partridge doesn't have the time.
• 46:53
  But then it's one of those as well.
• 46:54
  Like, again, I hope this doesn't make me get cancelled.
• 46:58
  But with the men, because we don't get paces, we are racing
• 47:03
  it. Whereas with the woman, I think
• 47:05
  they're on a bit of a lucky situation where all say for
• 47:09
  example, lady party was like, I want to bring in, I know Ben
• 47:11
  Connor's racing, but I want to bring in Ben and Ben just
• 47:14
  literally paces her. She they're going to have like
• 47:17
  30 guys and breaking 70 minutes for a guy is quite a big, you
• 47:22
  know, statement for a semi per like for those club runners.
• 47:25
  So they are going to have so many runners around them they
• 47:28
  can just work off. Whereas it's just going to be, I
• 47:31
  know for a factor like 10 miles if I'm leading, it's just going
• 47:34
  to be, it's probably the worst three people you want in British
• 47:37
  distance running behind you going into the last kilometre.
• 47:41
  Bassman, Wakefield man, Alfie Mann, Thorpe.
• 47:45
  But it's a hill at the end, so we'll have to see.
• 47:50
  Best hope the wind blows hard. Yeah, I hope so.
• 47:53
  I really hope so. I want like yellow warning of
• 47:55
  wind. I want like I want because yeah,
• 47:58
  it's a 2 like course. I want like the two hour runners
• 48:01
  getting in the way. I just want all everything to
• 48:03
  happen like a part, a proper park and race.
• 48:07
  It's like you can they can do it in Valencia on a sunny, cold
• 48:10
  Sunday morning, but in Bath? Now can they do it in Stoke on a
• 48:15
  Tuesday night? So I'll be good.
• 48:22
  What sort of shape is Ben Connor in?
• 48:24
  Because he's a guy who's been around for a while.
• 48:27
  Yeah, He ran 6113 Valencia in October.
• 48:34
  He's been out to Kenya, but he told me he had a bit about like
• 48:38
  injury and illness after Valencia Marathon because he ran
• 48:40
  210. He ran a very decent there and
• 48:45
  he ran A284510K last week and he's been out in Kenya.
• 48:50
  But I think he's building back. I think he has his eyes on he's,
• 48:58
  I think he's doing Berlin as well.
• 49:01
  But I know he probably wants the world's road running thing.
• 49:06
  But I'm quite I don't know if you guys have this, but I think
• 49:10
  if you have to turn up to the trials if you want to get the
• 49:13
  team. So they're sending 4 guys to
• 49:16
  world road running champs. And my point of view is if if I
• 49:21
  went to the trials and say came top 4 but don't get the don't
• 49:23
  have the time, but you have until September to get the time,
• 49:26
  then I get the time. Why should I know it's a bold
• 49:29
  statement, but why should like Alex?
• 49:31
  She get picked over me? I know it is Alex and they love
• 49:34
  Alex, but I'm very into you have to turn up to the trials.
• 49:38
  I don't know if you guys think the same, but if I think I would
• 49:41
  get a bit upset if say I came top four and someone else who
• 49:45
  didn't turn up to the trials got selected even though we both had
• 49:48
  the time. The only two, well the only
• 49:53
  person I would probably let is a meal.
• 49:55
  If a meal was like I want a place, I'll be OK, you can have
• 50:00
  it. You want my shoes as well?
• 50:02
  Yeah, yeah, I'll give you anything.
• 50:08
  Isn't he doing Malaga on the weekend?
• 50:10
  Yes, 2 1/2 marathon. Sunday as well.
• 50:13
  I think it might be, yeah. So I mean, he could probably,
• 50:17
  yeah, I've heard some discussing sessions he's been doing and
• 50:23
  yeah, I think he's in a very good place for Malaga.
• 50:25
  If he's run 60 or 1 he should be getting in the 50 nines.
• 50:29
  Really. And Moe's record is say only,
• 50:34
  but it's 5932 or something, so like.
• 50:37
  Yeah, he ran faster Great North, but doesn't count towards
• 50:43
  records because you know, it is naked.
• 50:46
  Obviously called downhill. But yeah, I mean, Emil was the
• 50:52
  only two people I know who could probably get around now a meal.
• 50:55
  And Paddy, they should really get it quite easily I think.
• 51:01
  What start list did I see Divas name on the other day?
• 51:06
  Is doing new? Yorker yes yeah that's this
• 51:10
  weekend as well. Wow, that's quite a lot on going
• 51:16
  back to your saying about your pace and strategy.
• 51:18
  You could hold like 2 fifties to 250 fives.
• 51:21
  Will that oh. No, not not two 50s if I'm only
• 51:24
  two 50s as a mixture, Not not. If you're running at 2:55 then
• 51:31
  is there a certain heart rate at like say 5K you're happy to go
• 51:35
  to or at 10K you can push it a few more beats?
• 51:39
  I'm a bit like we spoke about this last time.
• 51:41
  I'm very similar with Jake in terms of I think our heart rates
• 51:44
  are very similar. So like in Barcelona held like
• 51:48
  184185 average. So anything above the 180 mark I
• 51:53
  don't mind. Like it doesn't really bother
• 51:55
  me. And if we're over 190 at 5K,
• 51:59
  then it could be a long, a long last 16 kilometers.
• 52:03
  But the first 5K is rapid. Like it's, it is all downhill
• 52:09
  because you basically have to get down to the river.
• 52:12
  And then it's it's one of those courses where if you get like
• 52:16
  perfect weather, it's long straights and top guys doing it,
• 52:19
  you could absolutely fly. And so it's a very quick course.
• 52:24
  I think people just think it's a slow course because of the last
• 52:27
  hill, but they don't put into perspective you have that you
• 52:31
  start from up there, so you have that downhill to begin with
• 52:33
  anyway. But it's funny that the best fit
• 52:37
  is because it's two laps. So when you're coming into your
• 52:41
  second lap, when you're coming into the finish, you have to
• 52:44
  crossover all the running starting their second lap.
• 52:48
  And I ran into three or four people last week last year just
• 52:51
  screaming at them to move because they haven't got it
• 52:53
  sorted. So it's literally a fight for
• 52:55
  all. So maybe like maybe I do some
• 53:00
  have something in my mind, like if Wigfield, Mantleton, Cessman,
• 53:03
  they're going and they run into someone, that's when I attack.
• 53:06
  That's what I can go around, find a gap and just go.
• 53:10
  Grab the family world record. Just have your sisters placed
• 53:13
  strategically as like blockers. No, that was, that would be
• 53:20
  like, you know, asking like 6 foot 550K guy to just stand
• 53:27
  there and just just hold. But now that they'll be, they'll
• 53:32
  be a lot quicker than that. If I'm if I'm lapping them,
• 53:35
  they're having quite a bad day I must say.
• 53:39
  Here's a question for all of you then, because it's something
• 53:42
  you've all done in this build is like kind of race in the in the
• 53:46
  lead up to the main goal, the main race.
• 53:49
  Is that something which typically you do and you enjoy
• 53:52
  because it breaks the block off? Because often you can kind of
• 53:56
  marathon blocks can be so long you can just become obsessed
• 53:59
  with like what marathon pace is and how it feels.
• 54:02
  So yeah, what's your thoughts on that?
• 54:05
  Jump in. I don't mind it.
• 54:08
  I usually like it to break up just the training and monotony
• 54:13
  of it. And I also see the taper mini
• 54:16
  taper as like actually a refresher for me.
• 54:20
  It's like this is new territory. Previous half marathons, like I
• 54:26
  think I did Lisbon before Frankfurt, the October Lisbon 1
• 54:30
  though, that's like that was a rain coming sideways.
• 54:35
  I think I ran 105 there that day.
• 54:37
  That was. And to be honest, I thought I
• 54:39
  had quite a good run. Whereas like this is the other
• 54:42
  end of the spectrum. So yeah, I think it's good to
• 54:47
  break up the training. But yeah, I'm cautious.
• 54:51
  I actually like having a harder effort and maybe not something
• 54:56
  not so pretty on the clock as opposed to something that looks
• 54:58
  pretty on the clock. And then, yeah.
• 55:02
  Yeah, I agree with you with the little mini taper.
• 55:05
  It's a good way to, because I'd never schedule a down week in a
• 55:09
  marathon block. I'd never, I just wouldn't bring
• 55:11
  myself to do it. But if you put like 1/2 marathon
• 55:14
  in there that you're targeting, then it forces you to hit a
• 55:16
  little drop. This is a nice way to sort of
• 55:19
  freshen up. And then yeah, I'm the same with
• 55:22
  I just love racing. So like, I couldn't imagine
• 55:24
  doing a what, a 12 week marathon block with actually nothing in
• 55:28
  there. I love to pepper in.
• 55:30
  It's not like they all have to be target race.
• 55:32
  They don't have to be 100% effort almost.
• 55:35
  I think that's the best thing that you come in on tired legs,
• 55:37
  like no taper for some of them and use it.
• 55:40
  It's just yeah, good hard training.
• 55:43
  See, I love a good race. I'm doing some doing Berlin in
• 55:50
  two weeks. Part of me is thinking to you
• 55:54
  know, the victor of or it can never pronounce his last name.
• 55:57
  You, you met him, Jacob. Think Victor from Sweden.
• 56:00
  He's just Victor for me. This.
• 56:02
  This. Yeah, I'm not going to attempt
• 56:03
  the second name. I don't know how to pronounce
• 56:06
  last name because he wants to load for like sub 63 and I'm I'm
• 56:10
  thinking of like doing like a 63 minute may dip like try and
• 56:15
  progress in Berlin, because I'm the very similar with these.
• 56:22
  I couldn't do a long block. I mean, you've seen I do.
• 56:25
  I love a park run. I think the week before London,
• 56:28
  I'm going to find the most wild park run there is and just run
• 56:33
  hard. For some reason, I have a
• 56:36
  tendency to run 1443 no matter it could be all roads or it
• 56:39
  could be grasp with stairs. But I I've really got into it
• 56:46
  this block more about like it'll be my third half of this block,
• 56:53
  the Berlin 1, But I'm using that more as a training session.
• 56:57
  Like this weekend is going to really hurt.
• 56:58
  But then I'm using that more as a training stimulus.
• 57:01
  But it is really nice. It's like like Jake was just
• 57:04
  saying, it's like your mileage is all is brought down.
• 57:07
  So for example, the week before I did last week, it was like 224
• 57:12
  K, whereas this week could be like 120.
• 57:14
  So it's almost 50% and it almost helps you with not necessarily
• 57:19
  this week, but it more helps you for like the training in three,
• 57:22
  two to three weeks time where you feel a little bit fresher.
• 57:25
  So I do quite enjoy it. Yeah, I'm looking forward to the
• 57:30
  next two races anyway. You big alpha fly guy as well
• 57:34
  Over vapour flies or does it vary?
• 57:37
  I've worn my favorite ever night shoes, the, oh, you know, the
• 57:40
  first vapour fly that came out like in 20/17/20.
• 57:44
  I am. I remember in like 21 I asked my
• 57:47
  agent for like the last three pairs of them and I just kept
• 57:50
  wearing them. And I should never say this.
• 57:54
  The Alpha Flight 3 is it's a very, very, I'm very happy with
• 57:58
  it. But the fake flight just isn't
• 58:01
  the same anymore compared to what it used to be like.
• 58:04
  I feel like it's too aggressive almost and it does.
• 58:09
  I wore it for great self run last year and it was, it was
• 58:13
  very good. But it is you just, I don't feel
• 58:15
  like you get the bounce almost. Maybe that's because I wear the
• 58:18
  outfly more often. I do want to try the what's the
• 58:23
  other one called the the really quick St. fly because it has a
• 58:27
  common plate in it. But that just I put them on and
• 58:29
  I thought my feet were going to break just walking around
• 58:32
  because that's very aggressive. So yeah, if they could bring
• 58:36
  back, I've even asked if they could bring back like the OG
• 58:38
  Vapor Fly. I would wear that hands down in
• 58:41
  any race, but they just, they just don't sell them anymore.
• 58:45
  But you know what? I don't know if I can even talk
• 58:47
  about this because I'm obviously Brooks.
• 58:48
  But just before before I signed, I actually bought a pair of the
• 58:53
  OG vapours. I randomly I found them in Japan
• 58:57
  brand new. So I got them in what was it
• 59:00
  2024? I guess 20?
• 59:03
  Wait, 2025, even 2025 brand new pair I'm worn Crazy.
• 59:08
  But you know how you're saying? Because I had the same
• 59:10
  nostalgia. They were the first ever super
• 59:12
  shoes I wore ever, like first and back in the day.
• 59:15
  And I was like, yeah, these are the greatest shoes ever.
• 59:17
  I then put them on. I was like, you know, actually
• 59:20
  these are a bit bang average. So I don't know if I had, yeah,
• 59:24
  I don't know if it was just the memory because it's like,
• 59:27
  because we went from obviously just normal flats and you
• 59:29
  suddenly put this carbon plate. I don't know if it was like, you
• 59:32
  feel like you're cheating. They're so good.
• 59:33
  But I had the same memory as you, and then trying them again,
• 59:37
  I was like, he's actually nowhere near what the new ones
• 59:40
  are. So yeah, I don't know, maybe is
• 59:42
  that just the nostalgia factor? Yeah.
• 59:47
  What about the alpha ones, Jake? Have you got any of them
• 59:49
  knocking around? Because I know.
• 59:52
  No, I'm. Just wearing the alpha threes
• 59:55
  now, I think who wore someone wore the alpha floor?
• 1:00:01
  I don't know. Oh.
• 1:00:02
  Was it Cam war war. In Lisbon wore the A4.
• 1:00:06
  I don't know what they look like yeah yeah it's we'll see I
• 1:00:12
  almost I did last year before barf.
• 1:00:15
  I actually searched up what's better the vapour 3 or the A3,
• 1:00:19
  even though I'm a Nike guy but I was asking bloody chat GTP and
• 1:00:23
  let's run but I think I'm a bit ahead of that now so yeah I'm a
• 1:00:28
  big fan of the alpha. I think I'm just getting used to
• 1:00:31
  it, but it's like it's so annoying because like every time
• 1:00:34
  a new shoe comes out, you think you're at a disadvantage because
• 1:00:38
  it's better. But even though I've always
• 1:00:42
  liked the A2, I wasn't a big fan of but the first, the first
• 1:00:47
  edition, the 3rd edition, I'm big, big fans of who knows what
• 1:00:52
  the four will be like? But I've that the annoying thing
• 1:00:56
  is like, you know, all the shoes now are very, very similar.
• 1:00:59
  OK, that might be like .1 difference, but they are very
• 1:01:02
  similar apparently. I've heard crazy things about
• 1:01:06
  the Puma ones. I thought what they're called,
• 1:01:10
  but the new Puma is that R is it R?
• 1:01:12
  Yeah, those ones apparently I've, well Dan Nash is testing
• 1:01:17
  with his results told me that the Fasas are in crazy
• 1:01:22
  apparently. I feel like because you you're
• 1:01:27
  all three, you come from three different brands.
• 1:01:29
  I have to balance it and allow Tim to speak about ASICS and
• 1:01:33
  Jacob Brooke. So how have you?
• 1:01:36
  Are the Super Blast threes as soft as they look?
• 1:01:40
  Yeah, there. I think I spoke about this last
• 1:01:43
  time. the Super joggers are just nuts.
• 1:01:45
  So I've brought the threes here with me and I've got a problem
• 1:01:49
  taking trying to get them off my feet.
• 1:01:52
  I'm even now like comparing them to a mega blast, like the megas
• 1:01:57
  obviously got a bit more of a rebound push back, so I'd like
• 1:02:02
  that to get moving a bit more. But the Super blast three, if
• 1:02:05
  you're just like wanting to cruise round like all banged up
• 1:02:08
  from a race. Besh Beshu.
• 1:02:11
  I didn't think the twos could get better and it's actually a
• 1:02:14
  big difference. I thought it'd just be a very
• 1:02:16
  small improvement. So they're great.
• 1:02:19
  And then on the weekend I wore the Raid 2, which isn't
• 1:02:25
  available for purchase yet, but it's like a second approved, I
• 1:02:31
  guess prototype if you like, but it's I think they wore it at
• 1:02:33
  Seville. And if anyone wants to check it
• 1:02:35
  out, I actually think Asic's posted on this Seville reel that
• 1:02:40
  was actually the Raid 2. So that's the clearest thing you
• 1:02:42
  can see off that shoe. Very light.
• 1:02:46
  I think it's still 120 grams. Even the photos I got of my foot
• 1:02:50
  when I was running, I was laughing.
• 1:02:51
  I'm literally like my toes are on the concrete, so it
• 1:02:56
  compresses that much. It's pretty soft, so I might
• 1:03:01
  even look for that over the edge for London, but I'm still
• 1:03:04
  working all that out. But yeah, I I can't say anything
• 1:03:08
  better about that shoe. I'm really happy with it.
• 1:03:12
  I do think ASICS almost do the best mileage shoe, the
• 1:03:17
  Novoclast. Oh, I actually.
• 1:03:20
  You know what? I.
• 1:03:21
  No, they're good, but there's so many.
• 1:03:23
  There's a little niche one called the Glide Ride Max 2 that
• 1:03:26
  Andy Buchanan, our national record holder, has put us all
• 1:03:29
  onto. So we kind of jug around in the
• 1:03:33
  Glide Ride, but it doesn't get a whole lot of marketing.
• 1:03:35
  Like most people doesn't know it exists, but most of the
• 1:03:38
  marathons are in that yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:41
  So there's a little niche 6 month for you.
• 1:03:46
  I'll be sold out now. We've had like 2 pairs and
• 1:03:49
  they'll just be gone. And Jake yourself.
• 1:03:55
  We're about the Was it the Hyperion 3 or 6?
• 1:04:02
  I guess they're not releases. Yeah, Prototype, I think they
• 1:04:06
  don't come out for another six months or something.
• 1:04:08
  But I've been loving them. I've been pepper in the number,
• 1:04:11
  all my videos and stuff. I've not had Brooks tell me off.
• 1:04:14
  So I guess I'm I'm good to promote it.
• 1:04:17
  But there there's nothing really I guess out there too much about
• 1:04:22
  them. They're quality guys.
• 1:04:23
  Yeah, I wore them. I've been wearing them.
• 1:04:26
  I saved a fresh pair for Tokyo. I guess it's a bit of a waste,
• 1:04:31
  but at least I'm getting another one in London because yeah,
• 1:04:34
  they're still it's like very limited.
• 1:04:36
  Luckily I'm yeah prototype sizing, so I've been rating them
• 1:04:41
  definitely an improvement from the the license, the fight,
• 1:04:44
  which I'd like already. Do you do any of your like daily
• 1:04:48
  stuff? And is it the like the glycerin
• 1:04:50
  Max where it looks like the stack is like that?
• 1:04:54
  Yeah, I what have I got? I'm terrible with the names.
• 1:04:58
  I feel like I've got so many shoes there that because there's
• 1:05:01
  what? Glycerin Max, Ghost Max and I've
• 1:05:03
  got the, yeah, one pair of Glycerin Max, but I'm actually
• 1:05:06
  not the biggest fan of the massive chunky shoes.
• 1:05:10
  I feel like I just want to feel the ground a bit more.
• 1:05:13
  So I, I like a, even just a classic like Brooks Ghost, I'd
• 1:05:18
  say that's most of my easy runs. And then the Hyperion 3, it's
• 1:05:22
  like the, so there's like the elite range that's like with the
• 1:05:27
  carbon plate. And then they've got a bit like
• 1:05:29
  a, you know, like an Adidas Evo SL, sort of one of those daily
• 1:05:34
  trainings, but you could pick up the pace kind of thing.
• 1:05:36
  It's like very lightweight. They've got a similar Hyperion
• 1:05:39
  freeze. I rate that as over easy running
• 1:05:42
  and be I too much I can wear anything.
• 1:05:45
  Like I'm not very picky in any way.
• 1:05:48
  Very good. Just to go back to Jake Smith,
• 1:05:51
  the do you wear the structures at all?
• 1:05:54
  You wear the zoom, that's training, don't you?
• 1:05:58
  So I wear the Zoom flight for like LT1 stuff and then my long
• 1:06:02
  runs, the Vimero premium into the massive like space boot
• 1:06:06
  thing and then all the other easy runs like the Marrows.
• 1:06:10
  I don't think I'll ever go off a shoe than the Marrow if I'm a
• 1:06:13
  Nike guy. I'm a massive, massive fan of
• 1:06:16
  the Barrow structures. I think they've just hurt my
• 1:06:20
  like Soleus and stuff, whereas I don't know what it is for the
• 1:06:23
  Romero, which I've just always been very comfortable with it.
• 1:06:28
  But the premiums are funny. No one thinks you can run fast
• 1:06:31
  in them, but I think they're actually very decent.
• 1:06:35
  They are the the only good thing about them.
• 1:06:37
  The best thing about American. It does make me like close to
• 1:06:41
  5859 because they're so big and so it does make me a bit taller,
• 1:06:48
  but they're they're solid. Some shoe.
• 1:06:50
  I mean, I've been worn another shoe for since 2021.
• 1:06:58
  So it's quite weird, like listening to you guys talk about
• 1:07:01
  the other shoes because I used to wear those shoes back in the
• 1:07:05
  day. But it's it's good fun.
• 1:07:09
  Always associate those premiums as like just the kind of month
• 1:07:12
  shoe, no? No, but I'm not sure I can do
• 1:07:16
  what he does at the end of his long runs and just drop down
• 1:07:18
  tight for 20 milling in these bloody vomeros.
• 1:07:24
  Yeah, he's one guy I want to go train with.
• 1:07:26
  So I think I think I need to get a bit fit if I wanted to go
• 1:07:31
  train with him because I would be end up in a bin in a hole.
• 1:07:36
  It does. It wouldn't be waiting around
• 1:07:38
  Muddy. No, no, you stop for a peas like
• 1:07:41
  no, you can catch up. But then if he just stops,
• 1:07:45
  repeat. You have to stop.
• 1:07:46
  That's the rule. I guess to wrap it up fellas,
• 1:07:49
  we've got a few listener questions, so I'll just fly
• 1:07:52
  through a few of them. This one's for Tim, Tom.
• 1:07:55
  Ted says Tim's brutally honest opinion on Perth Running
• 1:07:58
  Festival. Because I know you came over in
• 1:08:01
  October, isn't it? Yeah, I actually left Perth
• 1:08:09
  telling everyone on the East Coast that, sorry to anyone in
• 1:08:12
  Sydney, but I was saying we need to swap Perth and Sydney around.
• 1:08:15
  I think Perth's actually the best city in Australia.
• 1:08:19
  It's so similar to Brisbane. So the actual city in the
• 1:08:21
  course, it's so undersold that race.
• 1:08:25
  Like we just, I don't know if it's the distance between the
• 1:08:28
  two that we don't hear much about it, but I really love the
• 1:08:31
  event. It what probably makes it tricky
• 1:08:35
  for the organizers is that they run all the events, including
• 1:08:38
  the marathon on one morning. So and I absolutely get that.
• 1:08:44
  So this you're always going to have a few logistical challenges
• 1:08:47
  and stuff in there. But no, I had a great time at
• 1:08:49
  the event and I'd I'd love to be back this year.
• 1:08:52
  I haven't thought about what I'm doing in October, but I had that
• 1:08:56
  much of a good time that I want to come back.
• 1:08:59
  It's so funny, often a tangent a little bit, but on the day of
• 1:09:03
  that race, I think I seen you in the morning but didn't realize
• 1:09:07
  it was you. Did you stay in the Pan Pacific?
• 1:09:09
  That's a weird question. I was, I should be able to.
• 1:09:15
  I don't know the name of the hotel, I was a while away.
• 1:09:17
  Actually this does bring up a funny story.
• 1:09:21
  Probably was me if you saw me walking to the start for 45
• 1:09:24
  minutes because I couldn't get an Uber and couldn't.
• 1:09:26
  And the city doesn't have bikes. Like you can't buy bikes.
• 1:09:31
  Was the hotel behind like a big massive piece of grass near the
• 1:09:34
  river on the other side from the start?
• 1:09:37
  Because I seen you, I didn't didn't know it was you.
• 1:09:40
  And you know, just when you like, Perth's a pretty small
• 1:09:44
  place. So anyone who's good at running
• 1:09:46
  largely you would know who they are.
• 1:09:48
  And then I was like, look, I seen you from behind.
• 1:09:51
  I was like, I don't know the look of that guy.
• 1:09:53
  And you had the pair of super, I think the green super blast,
• 1:09:56
  son. I was like, who's got a pair of
• 1:09:57
  decent shoes on senior legs and was like, yeah, definitely a
• 1:10:00
  good runner. And then you just started your
• 1:10:03
  run. I was like, I wonder who that
• 1:10:04
  was? And then a scene, your name like
• 1:10:07
  won the race. I was like, shit, Tim's an A6
• 1:10:09
  guy. Yeah, I remember doing that.
• 1:10:12
  You might have seen me if I was looking pretty stressed.
• 1:10:16
  That was actually really funny. I think I only got to the venue
• 1:10:19
  30 minutes before the race and the marathon was going round so
• 1:10:22
  I couldn't cross the bridge. Oh, it was actually pretty,
• 1:10:25
  Yeah. I was getting pretty stressed
• 1:10:27
  that I was going to fly six hours for this race and not be
• 1:10:30
  on the start line. Good job.
• 1:10:32
  Didn't say. Oh, hi Tim.
• 1:10:34
  How you going? You.
• 1:10:35
  Have ignored me. Hope not.
• 1:10:38
  Yeah. Second question comes from the
• 1:10:43
  Nuggets name wrong thing. Say a Dutch name Stein with top
• 1:10:46
  coning and he's asking, do you all listen to anything on your
• 1:10:52
  runs? And if you do music, podcasts,
• 1:10:54
  audio books, what's the go? That's easy.
• 1:10:58
  Double pod, obviously. Come on.
• 1:11:01
  So anyone I got you I'm yeah, I'm just podcasting like
• 1:11:11
  straight up running podcasts, MMA podcasts, Arsenal podcast,
• 1:11:18
  those sort of yeah classics on rotation I.
• 1:11:21
  Don't listen to anything. What about you, Jake?
• 1:11:25
  I'm really into the two parts. Well, of course we have to give
• 1:11:29
  that show up, but the other two big podcasts I love are Coffee
• 1:11:33
  Club and For The Kudos. Yeah, who's who's the other guy?
• 1:11:40
  Who does it? Not brat.
• 1:11:41
  Who's the other guy? Joel German.
• 1:11:43
  What? Joel Turner.
• 1:11:46
  Joel Turner? Joel Todan White.
• 1:11:50
  He is hilarious on it. Yeah, he's a funny guy.
• 1:11:53
  I should actually. I haven't really listened to as
• 1:11:56
  I don't really listen to podcasts, but yeah, I've heard
• 1:11:58
  good things. Well, the last one when he was
• 1:12:00
  like, yeah, I was supposed to go out for a run Saturday.
• 1:12:02
  He didn't. And he's like had five days
• 1:12:04
  completely off and he's just, he just loves it.
• 1:12:08
  But him and Brett, yeah, I'm really enjoying them.
• 1:12:11
  But then it's like music as well.
• 1:12:13
  I mean, I'm a Swifty. I like all that sorts.
• 1:12:17
  Trying to listen to more Michael Jackson now.
• 1:12:19
  I don't know. I'm just into different music I
• 1:12:22
  guess as well. Two things.
• 1:12:27
  Joel Turban White I think he ran like was it 62 dads Tim back in
• 1:12:30
  the day? I mean, I feel like we're at the
• 1:12:33
  same time like he ran and this is like pre super shoes that we
• 1:12:38
  might have had that Vapor fly one.
• 1:12:40
  I think he might have done 62 O 1 or 62 O3, very good run.
• 1:12:45
  And kind of like with the inflation of super shoes, you
• 1:12:48
  could say it's like, I know we obviously can't factor that in,
• 1:12:51
  but yeah, it was around 1/5, you know, right at the start of this
• 1:12:54
  kind of shoe surge. But then yeah, from how he
• 1:12:57
  speaks about training and now, you would never know.
• 1:13:01
  It's his laugh as well. His laugh is contagious, That
• 1:13:05
  laugh. And also a good time to plug
• 1:13:09
  Tim's actually runs his own podcasts with two guys as well.
• 1:13:12
  So if if, Jake, if you want to listen to some more training on
• 1:13:16
  your runs, then get onto the journey, man.
• 1:13:19
  Yeah, it's called the Journeyman Podcast.
• 1:13:22
  I I actually try not to talk too much about running.
• 1:13:25
  I'd probably talk more about general sport.
• 1:13:26
  But yeah, I did go through a bit of race stuff over there as
• 1:13:30
  well, so feel free to give it a listen.
• 1:13:33
  Stuart 2391 was asking about Bath half.
• 1:13:35
  I think we've covered that extensively.
• 1:13:38
  And Rachel McGinnis, we've perhaps covered this, but see if
• 1:13:42
  you want to add to what variables as in like data 1/2
• 1:13:48
  race in the build up or a predictor marathon session, do
• 1:13:51
  you use to kind of lock in what marathon pace is going to be or
• 1:13:56
  do you not? Oh, use all of that to give
• 1:13:59
  myself a range, not a not a specific number, but I'll try
• 1:14:03
  and have like a three to four second range would be nice.
• 1:14:07
  And then, like the other boys were saying earlier, I'll got it
• 1:14:10
  by feel on the day. I think for me it's it might be
• 1:14:18
  very similar to cheek. We just saw two and 9:30 where
• 1:14:21
  we're just like, screw it, whatever happens, we're going
• 1:14:24
  through it. Yeah.
• 1:14:27
  But for this, it's different to others.
• 1:14:29
  It's purely exactly go at that pace, doesn't matter whether
• 1:14:32
  you're in the shape or not. It's just commit to the pace as
• 1:14:36
  as opposed to as opposed to going for the sensible control.
• 1:14:40
  That's the goal. Yeah.
• 1:14:42
  There's not a lot of good thinking behind it.
• 1:14:47
  Doesn't matter whether you're in the shape or not.
• 1:14:49
  That is unbelievable. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:50
  Yeah. I've been in Japan for too long.
• 1:14:56
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've committed.
• 1:14:58
  Committed fully. Well, it's funny that 20930
• 1:15:01
  would be conservative after Tokyo Marathon going out at 208
• 1:15:05
  pace, but it's mad that yeah, that would be a nice controlled
• 1:15:09
  start by Japanese standards. I guess a follow on to your
• 1:15:15
  answer, Tim, at what point would you kind of lock that range in
• 1:15:20
  like 2 weeks out or earlier or? Usually two days before, like
• 1:15:25
  I'll try and not think about that stuff and like the actual
• 1:15:29
  race. So it'll probably be the last
• 1:15:31
  workout, which obviously I wouldn't change how you're going
• 1:15:35
  to attack the race, but just like, you know, that final point
• 1:15:39
  where the everything's done, you're putting your feet up.
• 1:15:41
  So two days out. But the things that my coach and
• 1:15:45
  I would use are your usually your previous race and factors
• 1:15:52
  that might have made that faster or slower and then your two
• 1:15:56
  biggest sessions. And pretty much it's still a
• 1:16:00
  guesstimate, but they're probably the three things that
• 1:16:02
  we use. Cool and lastly Owen, who's one
• 1:16:08
  of the other hosts on here says with London just under seven
• 1:16:12
  weeks away, is it easy for good sessions or results to alter
• 1:16:17
  your goals or do you try not to get carried away I.
• 1:16:23
  Mean, I guess as we said, it's a little different.
• 1:16:26
  I feel like London with that 2/09/30 is going to be a pace.
• 1:16:30
  There's going to be people going.
• 1:16:32
  I'd say it's very different to another race where, yeah, like
• 1:16:35
  for example, last year when I ran my Tokyo PB, I was aiming
• 1:16:40
  for something different at the start of the block.
• 1:16:41
  And then as I got a fitter and fitter, naturally the goals
• 1:16:45
  shift. So yeah, I think it's, you don't
• 1:16:49
  want to get too carried away, but definitely there's things in
• 1:16:53
  training that can indicate you're going a certain way.
• 1:16:55
  It's like, oh, you set the goal at 2:09, It's like you're
• 1:16:57
  getting nowhere near. Then I guess you've got to adapt
• 1:17:00
  it. I think for me it's say if
• 1:17:07
  Europeans was next year and I was a year fitter and say, for
• 1:17:11
  example, just say in a in a different world to and I thought
• 1:17:15
  it was quite an easier option. I think because because of my
• 1:17:20
  history and my injuries and stuff, I haven't had a British
• 1:17:22
  fest in quite a long time. So just getting that British
• 1:17:26
  fest for especially a home champs is a huge thing to say.
• 1:17:30
  Even if I was apparently in 2728 shape just like and I said in a
• 1:17:36
  different world, I would probably still go to the two
• 1:17:39
  9:30 because I think it means more to my career now to get a
• 1:17:43
  British vest in the time. And so I don't think the only
• 1:17:48
  thing that would alter is if I get like an injury or something
• 1:17:51
  before it. Yeah, no matter what I think
• 1:17:55
  Jake and I are going to do be doing a lot of running that day
• 1:17:58
  together, hopefully 42.2 K hopefully.
• 1:18:04
  And Ryan, I'm pretty useless, he might have to prompt me again on
• 1:18:07
  the question I forgotten. Yeah, maybe it's most relevant
• 1:18:11
  to you as well, given the race on the weekend, but like, is it
• 1:18:14
  easy for good sessions or good results to alter your goals?
• 1:18:18
  Or do you try and not get carried away?
• 1:18:20
  Yeah, I hinted at this earlier. If anything, I'm a little bit
• 1:18:23
  worried, like worried it's not the right word.
• 1:18:26
  But yeah, cautious, I think a better word I use in my good
• 1:18:31
  marathons, I haven't had things going, let's say, well, you
• 1:18:35
  know, before them and it usually clicks on the day and it's very
• 1:18:39
  common to see people run a half well and being nowhere to be
• 1:18:43
  seen on race day and the full marathon.
• 1:18:45
  So kind of shifting my focus now on like we were talking about
• 1:18:50
  going up to Font, that's probably not going to happen
• 1:18:54
  now. Or I'm definitely an advocate to
• 1:18:55
  stay at sea level and try and work on as a sound conditioning
• 1:19:00
  and lengthening as opposed to sharpening even more and just
• 1:19:05
  making sure I execute and not have one of those builds where
• 1:19:08
  you do good and then go missing on race day.
• 1:19:11
  Stuff. Before I get into the wrap up,
• 1:19:15
  do you guys have any more things you want to talk about or any
• 1:19:17
  questions for each other? Brisbane rules plan tomorrow
• 1:19:20
  morning if you feel as need something to do.
• 1:19:26
  It's a big, big rugby weekend on Saturday.
• 1:19:29
  Who's playing? It's the final Six Nations
• 1:19:33
  games. Are Wales playing?
• 1:19:36
  Yeah, it's Wales, Wales, Italy, England, France, Scotland,
• 1:19:45
  Ireland, but it's like 4 different teams can win it.
• 1:19:48
  Oh. OK.
• 1:19:49
  So is it like a round Robin like?
• 1:19:51
  A yeah, So it's a final. It's a final one England got but
• 1:19:55
  beaten by Italy last week for the first time in 17 years or
• 1:19:58
  something. So yeah, so I might have to give
• 1:20:04
  the Brisbane Roy. But then there's a lot of
• 1:20:05
  there's a lot of I might Leon say betting going on in the
• 1:20:08
  Cheltenham Festival. So it turned out beat.
• 1:20:14
  That's a good watch. ITV or is it Channel 4?
• 1:20:17
  If you're bored today, stick that on.
• 1:20:20
  This is a. Chapman now.
• 1:20:22
  Yeah, Chapman's on that. That's horses, isn't?
• 1:20:24
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:27
  It's. Good fun.
• 1:20:28
  Yeah, it's good fun. But if you're bored, it's just
• 1:20:31
  like, true. If you're just chilling out for
• 1:20:33
  a run or something, you stick around.
• 1:20:34
  And I know we're not really supposed to say betting is good,
• 1:20:39
  but it is quite a lot. I'm not BET, but and like
• 1:20:43
  sometimes when we're doing the weekly podcast, we kind of like
• 1:20:46
  talk about who might be the favorites for race and stuff in
• 1:20:49
  in running terms. What odds would you give
• 1:20:52
  yourself for Saturday, Jake? 20 to 1. 20 to one, Yeah.
• 1:20:57
  Go outside. Huh, I'll check a turn around.
• 1:21:01
  Go with the outside, yeah. Yeah, put a turn around.
• 1:21:05
  I think. I think if the wind the wind
• 1:21:07
  gets worse, my odds get better. That's what athletics.
• 1:21:12
  If it's a perfect date, go downhill.
• 1:21:15
  We need more gambling. That's what makes other sports
• 1:21:18
  fun I feel like. Get the gambling on our flags.
• 1:21:22
  Well, they did that. They did that Podium Festival,
• 1:21:25
  the 5K back in like 21 they had. You could bet on athletes and
• 1:21:32
  that was quite good fun. That was quite good fun.
• 1:21:35
  You might be in the UK. No, maybe not.
• 1:21:37
  Maybe just I. Remember it?
• 1:21:39
  Yeah. Yeah, I might have been there.
• 1:21:42
  Yeah. Well ahead of London will open
• 1:21:46
  the Jake Barclough overall under 30 kilometers market.
• 1:21:52
  That is a God, medical tent or not.
• 1:21:57
  Surely that's got to be 5050. That's worth a pun.
• 1:22:06
  Unfortunately not Jake, I'm in to the Australia.
• 1:22:09
  I'll be back later in the year though, maybe get to commies.
• 1:22:13
  On us. Nice Tim, how are the RAW doing
• 1:22:19
  in general? We had the best result we could
• 1:22:22
  have last week, which was a buy, so we didn't get to play.
• 1:22:25
  And then we've got the bottom place team tomorrow, which is
• 1:22:31
  probably the only game I look out and go.
• 1:22:33
  And that like this team's probably like the state that W
• 1:22:36
  Sydney Wanderers probably relate them to a Spurs right now.
• 1:22:39
  They're just in absolute shambles.
• 1:22:43
  So yeah, like I I'll be out running so I won't get to watch
• 1:22:45
  it, but it's the only game of our last six that you look out
• 1:22:48
  and go. Surely we win.
• 1:22:52
  And if not, I'll probably just put the jersey back in the
• 1:22:54
  suitcase and come back in October for next year.
• 1:22:59
  It's so funny, right on that. Perth Glory for a period, they
• 1:23:02
  had Daniel Storage sign for them, didn't he?
• 1:23:05
  I assume you would remember that, Tim.
• 1:23:07
  Yeah. And he, he had a reputation
• 1:23:09
  whilst he was at Liverpool for being injury prone.
• 1:23:11
  And then when he came to Perth, I think he got injured in his
• 1:23:16
  first game and then just like got paid for a year and just sat
• 1:23:20
  on the beach, had like this fat house in City Beach.
• 1:23:23
  It just got seen though all the time.
• 1:23:26
  I think they ended up like they didn't see at his full deal in
• 1:23:31
  the end. I think they came to an
• 1:23:32
  agreement or whatever. But yeah, it didn't really work
• 1:23:34
  out the way that hoped. Like when Del Piero came out,
• 1:23:37
  that is probably like the best or even 1 matter that's gone
• 1:23:41
  really well. But yeah, Sturridge, yeah, it
• 1:23:44
  was a bit of a not a good move. I'm always surprised that like
• 1:23:50
  more, you know, the way the MLS attracts like the retirees.
• 1:23:53
  I don't know why more don't come over to Australia for the
• 1:23:55
  lifestyle. We've got a salary cap and it's
• 1:23:58
  not big, whereas I don't think the MLS would have a salary cap.
• 1:24:03
  You've also got a lot more probably TV rights and it's just
• 1:24:08
  a bigger league, like not even talking about quality of
• 1:24:11
  football. And I guess at that point in
• 1:24:13
  their career they're probably not worried about quality.
• 1:24:15
  It's, you know, just setting yourself up.
• 1:24:19
  So yeah, MLS is actually probably a better move in my
• 1:24:21
  opinion, which is sad to say, but yeah.
• 1:24:27
  OK, Then I'll bring this home with the race readiness score.
• 1:24:30
  We'll roll them forward from last week.
• 1:24:32
  So starting with remember we talked about like how a
• 1:24:35
  percentage, how confident you would be if the race was like
• 1:24:38
  next week. Dick Smith, you went with 87%
• 1:24:41
  and you're saying the way you would increase that is by more
• 1:24:46
  like long run confidence in gel practice.
• 1:24:49
  Which way is the needle moving? 90% now I did a 40K long run,
• 1:24:54
  took 4 gels and I did a marathon on Sunday.
• 1:24:59
  So I was just helping some friends and took another 4 gels.
• 1:25:02
  So that's and that's a very positive sign.
• 1:25:07
  You can tell maybe for Jake this is that's just normal.
• 1:25:10
  But the taper wasn't isn't too big into part.
• 1:25:14
  But yeah, it's really, I'm getting used to the gels.
• 1:25:18
  It doesn't feel long anymore. The matter like it doesn't
• 1:25:22
  really like when you get to 20 miles.
• 1:25:24
  I don't feel like that's a long way, which I think is a good
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  thing. It's more for the mental side
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  for me. And I knew I wanted to get a
• 1:25:33
  long one in last weekend because I have Bath and then I might see
• 1:25:37
  Tim the week after Bath, but then it's Berlin.
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  And then by then it's like, yeah, maybe one more long run.
• 1:25:45
  So I've almost done all the long runs, which is a bit scary, but
• 1:25:51
  I would give myself a good 90%. I I would love to race it.
• 1:25:54
  I'm not gonna lie. I want to race soon.
• 1:25:56
  I just, I've already said I just want me to be basically just
• 1:25:59
  getting quite drunk. And I'm quite looking forward to
• 1:26:05
  that. That's what's good to hear, the
• 1:26:08
  confidence and the scores trending up.
• 1:26:10
  Tim, how about you? You were 78%.
• 1:26:14
  That was perhaps based on a bit of uncertainty regarding your
• 1:26:17
  confidence and your shorter speed.
• 1:26:21
  I actually thought about this answer.
• 1:26:24
  I reckon if let's say if the race was like 2 weeks, I'd
• 1:26:27
  probably get myself in the 80s. But just by the question, I'm
• 1:26:30
  going to move the needle backwards just purely because
• 1:26:33
  I'm still recovering this week. Things are still high, legs are
• 1:26:36
  a bit beat up, but I'm expecting to go from like let's say this
• 1:26:40
  week 74 to fingers crossed, mid 80s by the next time we speak.
• 1:26:45
  And I think that'd happened pretty quickly.
• 1:26:47
  Like my answer this time last week probably would have been
• 1:26:50
  low 80s. Yeah, I'm going to go in that
• 1:26:53
  position next. Next Thursday I'll be in that
• 1:26:56
  position. Yeah.
• 1:26:57
  I can't walk. I can't run.
• 1:26:59
  I'm still aching. Jake Barclough, you said when I
• 1:27:05
  first asked you 3% and then you reconfigured to I'm 64% because
• 1:27:13
  you said you felt like you're in PB shape over any of the shorter
• 1:27:17
  stuff. But obviously it was that the
• 1:27:18
  knee issue that you were very unsure of.
• 1:27:22
  Yeah, yeah, I guess that shows how, yeah, I was that
• 1:27:26
  unconfident. I'd make the start of Tokyo.
• 1:27:30
  What I give it now. I'd say post Tokyo, immediately
• 1:27:34
  after the race definitely was up.
• 1:27:36
  So like 70 something, 76, let's say, just because of how good it
• 1:27:44
  felt aerobically running that pace that I felt like with a few
• 1:27:47
  more long runs because I hadn't done yeah, single long run for
• 1:27:50
  ages, that then it's like I feel like my speed's there, which
• 1:27:54
  it's never been before. It's always been my weakness.
• 1:27:56
  I'm the opposite of Jake RA. You were kind of saying that you
• 1:28:00
  found like the marathon's a long way.
• 1:28:01
  For me, it's like the distance I'll run a marathon every week.
• 1:28:05
  I mean, every day nearly is a 40K of volume.
• 1:28:08
  Like during peaks dust. It's like that's not the issue.
• 1:28:11
  It's being a run at the pace for the distance.
• 1:28:14
  And that's where I'm feel like I'm getting more and more
• 1:28:16
  confident now. See, I say.
• 1:28:18
  It's gone up. Can we commit to a number?
• 1:28:22
  What did I say? I said 74.
• 1:28:31
  It's 10. Percent increase.
• 1:28:34
  All your fans on Strava probably think you're back down to 3%
• 1:28:37
  because you haven't uploaded. I got gotta keep the the roller
• 1:28:41
  coaster ride guy in gotta keep them the waiting.
• 1:28:45
  Just teasing the people all. Right, that's class, boys.
• 1:28:50
  Well, Jake Smith, best of luck for the weekend, do the fellas.
• 1:28:54
  Good luck with the continued trainer.
• 1:28:57
  Yeah. Thank you very much and good
• 1:28:58
  luck, Jake. Cheers.
• 1:29:00
  Thank you very much. I want to watch that.
• 1:29:03
  That's got to be on, surely? If you catch 1 Jason on your
• 1:29:08
  story. I can, I can tell you what's
• 1:29:09
  going to happen. It's going to be meaning for 20K
• 1:29:12
  and then three guys go past, that's what's going to happen.
• 1:29:14
  So you don't need a video of that.
• 1:29:19
  Why don't you get a pair of the meta glasses and you can stream
• 1:29:22
  it live from your head? Now turn them off at 20 K Throw
• 1:29:26
  them before the race was done. All right, cheers lads.
• 1:29:32
  Yeah, talk to you guys later. Thanks fellas.
• 1:29:35
  Good stuff about. A Sunday still chasing pee pees
• 1:29:38
  while the wheel spins round miles in the bank.
• 1:29:40
  Heart rate low. Big dreams but we take it slow.
• 1:29:43
  If you know then you know the code.
• 1:29:45
  Easy pace for the chat goes hard.
• 1:29:48
  Easy double let it roll free mates. 1 mic won't come and go
• 1:29:51
  from 5 tapes to the marathon Rd. training talk to the outro.
• 1:29:54
  Close is easy every week. Runners talking way too deep
• 1:29:58
  here. Play lock in your part of the
• 1:30:00
  crew. This is easy double welcome to
• 1:30:02
  you. This is easy double welcome to
• 1:30:10
  you. This is easy double.
• 1:30:18
  Welcome to you on shoes and carbon plates.
• 1:30:20
  Is it threshold or just steady pace?
• 1:30:22
  World champs trials, Who's in shape, who's peaking early,
• 1:30:25
  who's late to the gate? Stories from sessions that
• 1:30:27
  nearly broke us and races that taught us patients and focus.
• 1:30:30
  Serious goals. But we keep it light cause run
• 1:30:32
  is better when it's shed, right? No egos, no smoke, just miles
• 1:30:35
  and truth from club runners up to the world class music.
• 1:30:38
  You're chasing times, you're just chasing fun.
• 1:30:39
  You're already winning if you started the run.
• 1:30:46
  Easy double. We're right there running
• 1:30:49
  alongside you. Easy double.
• 1:30:50
  Same old crew. Deanie.
• 1:30:52
  Join Ryan's walking the dude from the first warm up to the
• 1:30:54
  final bell. This is easy double and you're
• 1:30:57
  doing it well. This is easy double.
• 1:31:04
  Welcome to you. This is easy double and you're
• 1:31:13
  doing it well. Brain enough.
• 1:31:18
  Check. Go.
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  Run.