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#21: Motherhood & New Personal Best's UK Runner Emily · The People Run Podcast

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SPEAKER_03: Thems back to I I was not able to run for such a long period of time.
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SPEAKER_03: And my time now is I don't I don't have a lot of time.
0:06
SPEAKER_03: I work, I run, I have a child, I have, you know, life.
0:10
SPEAKER_03: Um time I do have, like I make the absolute most of when I can run.
0:17
SPEAKER_03: And I didn't have that drive before having a child because yeah, like I thought I was busy, like I still had a job and I had life and everything.
0:24
SPEAKER_03: But actually, when you bring it like a child into the mix, it's very different.
0:28
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I like value every time I manage to get out.
0:31
SPEAKER_03: Whereas before I would like miss a run, or I'd be like, Oh, I'm not really feeling it, I'm not going to do that.
0:36
SPEAKER_03: And I just didn't like push as hard.
0:39
SPEAKER_03: Pregnancy, birth, postpartum has made me so much stronger, like than I was prior, like just so much stronger in every way.
0:47
SPEAKER_03: The things that I used to find hard, I don't find hard anymore.
0:49
SPEAKER_03: Um, which I think.
0:55
SPEAKER_00: You are listening to the People Run Podcast.
0:58
SPEAKER_00: Um, if you're tuning in for the first time, uh, welcome.
1:01
SPEAKER_00: Uh, thanks for tuning in.
1:03
SPEAKER_00: For those who have been listening, I appreciate the support.
1:05
SPEAKER_00: It's been amazing, and uh, let's get right into it today.
1:08
SPEAKER_00: Today I'm joined by Emily, who's a UK-based runner.
1:12
SPEAKER_00: Um, one-time ultra runner.
1:14
SPEAKER_00: I say that as a joke because we were joking about it before recording.
1:17
SPEAKER_00: Uh, she's a mom who's been on like an amazing running journey, which we're about to get into.
1:22
SPEAKER_00: She's had some crazy PRs and big races as of lately, which I'm excited to talk about.
1:27
SPEAKER_00: Sharing some here um sub-25K, which was a goal of hers from what I saw.
1:31
SPEAKER_00: Uh, a lot of marathons, which I'm happy to get into very soon, and uh balancing work, running, family all in the UK.
1:38
SPEAKER_00: So uh thanks, Emily, for uh joining.
1:40
SPEAKER_00: And uh, how are you doing today from uh lovely England?
1:43
SPEAKER_03: Hello, yeah, thank you so much for having me.
1:46
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we're good.
1:47
SPEAKER_03: Coming into September, so things are feeling a bit autumnal.
1:49
SPEAKER_03: I went on a very wet run this morning.
1:51
SPEAKER_03: Um, but other than that, yeah, we're good.
1:55
SPEAKER_00: That is common out there, I see.
1:57
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and it is the season for a lot of rain, uh muggy clouds, that kind of stuff.
2:04
SPEAKER_03: Headwind today as well, this morning, which wasn't much fun.
2:06
SPEAKER_03: But I guess it's that transition, isn't it?
2:08
SPEAKER_03: The seasonal transition from summer hot running into autumnal running.
2:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, how was summer running out there?
2:15
SPEAKER_00: I saw it didn't get too hot and then it kind of went hot out of nowhere.
2:20
SPEAKER_03: I think it's quite relative.
2:21
SPEAKER_03: I mean, yeah, I guess it depends like where you are in uh in the country, but also where compared to where like you are uh in the US.
2:28
SPEAKER_03: But actually, I think we have had like one of the hottest summers on record.
2:32
SPEAKER_03: So June and July were unbelievable.
2:35
SPEAKER_03: Like we were getting up to 33 degrees, which is oh, I don't know what that is in Fahrenheit.
2:40
SPEAKER_03: Uh, but it's it's quite a lot for us, and I think we struggle a lot more in the UK because it's always really humid, so it'll be like 33 degrees with like 75% humidity because we're obviously an island.
2:51
SPEAKER_03: Um, so yeah, it's been summer running, has actually been quite challenging um in terms of how hot it's been, and you'll never see me get a PB or a PR as you call them, um, a PB in summer.
3:04
SPEAKER_03: Like I am not a fast summer runner.
3:06
SPEAKER_03: Like I love it because I love the sun, but I I don't perform particularly well in the heat.
3:11
SPEAKER_00: No, I I can relate to that uh funny enough.
3:13
SPEAKER_00: I I think I saw some of the uh people in Tokyo right now for the world majors post-33 uh C.
3:19
SPEAKER_00: So I was like, okay, I know the math, but um to your point, yeah.
3:22
SPEAKER_00: Um I I can't relate to running fast whoever runs in the summer.
3:26
SPEAKER_00: Um, we also had one of the hottest summers.
3:28
SPEAKER_00: I'm in Colorado right now, and it's it's not supposed to be this hot over here.
3:31
SPEAKER_00: We're supposed to be getting cold weather by now or close to cold weather, and I'm already missing it.
3:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm training for a race now, and I'm not enjoying right now.
3:39
SPEAKER_00: I'm looking outside.
3:40
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be 90 today, which is somewhere my guess is sorry for anyone listening who uses Celsius, but 34, 35, somewhere around there is my guess.
3:51
SPEAKER_03: Very hot.
3:52
SPEAKER_03: We've also been having we've been having funny weather in terms of like the heat hit us much earlier this year.
3:57
SPEAKER_03: So I think May was like the hottest May on record, which was a bit horrible for for me because I did London Marathon, which is right at the end of April, and I think we had the second hottest ever London marathon, and as somebody that doesn't love running in the heat, that was not hugely enjoyable, and as like a country, we're not hugely well set up for heat, and London like London streets anyway are hot, but when but the crowds were insane this year, and like they were just projecting heat onto the runners as well.
4:29
SPEAKER_03: So, unfortunately, the hot weather this summer also did like it started in spring.
4:33
SPEAKER_03: Um, obviously, when we had all our marathons, all the all of them over here in Europe, so it was um it was a lot more challenging than we were expecting because of that.
4:43
SPEAKER_00: You know, touching on that, did you do anything intentionally?
4:46
SPEAKER_00: I think it was caught everyone was caught off guard by how hot London was from what I saw.
4:50
SPEAKER_00: But did you do anything intentionally?
4:51
SPEAKER_00: Because I I saw I think you had a great race to heat train.
4:56
SPEAKER_03: I did.
4:56
SPEAKER_03: So I mean, I think I um I just hydrated very well with electrolytes um in like the week leading up, really, and then made sure that I had two bottles of electrolytes on the course.
5:08
SPEAKER_03: So I carried one, and then my husband gave me a handover at about 25k.
5:13
SPEAKER_03: Um, and also London Marathon, they because they're such a huge like company, they were able to really quickly react.
5:21
SPEAKER_03: So they the water was insane, like it was so good.
5:24
SPEAKER_03: Everybody got a bottle whenever they wanted at every station.
5:27
SPEAKER_03: Um, they had more stations up than usual.
5:28
SPEAKER_03: They also had like showers, which are like they didn't, yeah.
5:32
SPEAKER_03: So, and and they had cups of ice as well that we were able to use, so they adapted and I made sure that I made use of like all of those, um, even if it meant like weaving and running a bit further.
5:43
SPEAKER_03: But I thought actually keeping cool is far more important, so I went over the distance quite a lot this year actually because I was ensuring that I use kind of every water and cooling aid that they had.
5:53
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, I just I prepped with electrolytes um and made sure that I was yeah, wearing everything that I could to keep cool.
6:01
SPEAKER_03: And I think again, talking about the weather, in the weeks leading up to London, because it was also hot, and although I'd been training a lot, obviously in the depths of winter when it's really, really cold and wet over here, I able I was able to do two half marathons that were in heat um at pace, and that actually that acclimatized me, I think.
6:19
SPEAKER_03: So actually, on the day at London, it wasn't as awful as I thought because I had acclimatized with these two races prior.
6:25
SPEAKER_03: So that was lucky.
6:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that that that sounds amazing, you know, two half marathons at pace, but the the spraying uh sounds very interesting.
6:34
SPEAKER_00: I wish more marathons implemented something like that.
6:36
SPEAKER_00: Um just walk in and get sprayed, you know, cool the body temp down.
6:40
SPEAKER_00: That that sounds amazing.
6:41
SPEAKER_03: I think it did break a few headphones.
6:43
SPEAKER_03: I heard that people did break their headphones, and I think it gave me a blister because you're then like running through puddles, but yeah, you know, in the grand scheme of thing, it's not so bad.
6:51
SPEAKER_03: It's not as bad to get a heat stroke, is it?
6:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is better than a heat stroke, but uh, I wouldn't like the blister.
6:57
SPEAKER_00: I've had that my first half, you just reminded me was in pouring rain in New York City, and I was just jumping water, and yeah, because of the water, that was horrible.
7:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, it in vapor flies, which are pretty much the old school ones, the twos, I think, which were like see-through.
7:13
SPEAKER_00: So all the water comes in, it leaves quick, but you get messed up.
7:17
SPEAKER_03: I wear those two, actually.
7:20
SPEAKER_00: Okay, there you go.
7:21
SPEAKER_00: I did see that.
7:22
SPEAKER_00: I didn't know if it was current.
7:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I do miss those.
7:27
SPEAKER_00: I don't have a fresh pair anymore, and you can't really find them.
7:29
SPEAKER_00: I I do like those more than I did uh the more recent ones, if you will.
7:33
SPEAKER_03: I agree.
7:33
SPEAKER_03: I buy quite a lot of my kit on vintage actually.
7:35
SPEAKER_03: I don't know if you have vintage over there.
7:37
SPEAKER_00: Mm-mm.
7:38
SPEAKER_03: You have vintage, so it's like a secondhand app basically that's really, really, really popular over here.
7:44
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so um it's like it's just an app on your phone that you buy and sell secondhand, and they do a lot of sports stuff on there because somebody might wear a pair once and then not get on with them, and then they sell them on, but still you get like£100 off.
7:55
SPEAKER_03: So actually, I get a lot of my from there.
7:57
SPEAKER_03: Um, and that's when I've been able to get my older shoes, like the older versions of the shoes, which has been lucky.
8:04
SPEAKER_00: eBay at best is what we have, and a couple local stores may have it, but nothing that crazy.
8:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, the only thing we may have is uh the outlets from say a Nike or an Adidas, and those might have heavy discounts, but usually won't get the older stuff, maybe a year old, but not like I'd be shocked if I saw Vapor 2s, but eBay is probably like the only thing we have, which is more global, but we don't have anything unfortunate like that to my knowledge.
8:27
SPEAKER_00: How'd you fare off in London?
8:28
SPEAKER_00: I I know it was a big race, but just what was the time and and was that your actual goal?
8:33
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so I think with London, I'd been training for like sub 320.
8:39
SPEAKER_03: Um that had that had been like what the goal was, and and it looked like it was going, it looked like it was gonna happen um from training.
8:46
SPEAKER_03: I had quite a long training block just because I know over the winter with like illnesses that come up and you know bits and bobs that happen over, you know, I just knew that I was going to need a bit more time and give myself some grace in terms of like I couldn't have a short block, I needed a long block.
8:59
SPEAKER_03: Um so it looked like it was going to happen.
9:01
SPEAKER_03: And then on the day I ended up with 3.19, um, which was you know the sub-20.
9:07
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, amazing.
9:10
SPEAKER_03: As I said, I had I went over the distance quite a lot.
9:12
SPEAKER_03: Um so actually my watch like hit the time a bit earlier, but you know, you have to go by chip time, right?
9:18
SPEAKER_03: So um yeah, although I went over the distance, it was it was 3.19 in the end, which was yeah, I was really, really happy with, particularly in those conditions because quite a lot of other people I knew had really bad races.
9:29
SPEAKER_03: Um, just really bad races.
9:30
SPEAKER_03: It was so hot, like the tents afterwards, first aiders, were just full of collapsed runners.
9:36
SPEAKER_03: So I did feel quite lucky.
9:38
SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, that I had such a good time and I had such a good race.
9:41
SPEAKER_03: Uh so yeah, I felt very lucky and I was very pleased and I had I had a good day.
9:46
SPEAKER_00: That's an amazing time, and and you know, in the heat.
9:49
SPEAKER_00: Um, I saw it was a hot race to your point.
9:51
SPEAKER_00: I did see a couple videos around London um marathon-based, and people were yeah, just passing out of uh sweaty, like raving hard.
10:01
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there was a lot of that.
10:04
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I think because I did London, I did London in 2019.
10:10
SPEAKER_03: Uh well actually, and I did it in 2023.
10:12
SPEAKER_03: I've done it three times now.
10:13
SPEAKER_03: Um, so I did it first time in uh 2019 for charity, and then I got into the ballot in 2023, which was just unbelievable.
10:23
SPEAKER_03: And then in the hell that happened.
10:27
SPEAKER_03: Um, and that was just after I'd had my daughter, actually.
10:29
SPEAKER_03: So that felt that was just it felt like a full circle circle moment that I got into the ballot, and then I got the first yeah, and then my third time this year, uh I got in, so I qualified uh from a previous marathon because my time then qualified me to go in for it for this year, um, which was good.
10:45
SPEAKER_03: But the one I did in 2023 was torrential rain, and it was like 14 degrees, so it was cold and it was raining, and then to do it two years later and it be like that, it was a very different experience.
10:56
SPEAKER_03: Very different experience.
10:57
SPEAKER_00: One extreme to the next, yeah.
10:59
SPEAKER_00: Which of the two would you say were your favourite?
11:01
SPEAKER_00: Did you prefer the torrential downpour and cold or the very hot?
11:04
SPEAKER_03: Running conditions, actually, for me, the rain was better.
11:08
SPEAKER_03: Um, but I enjoyed 20 this year, 2025, a lot more.
11:12
SPEAKER_03: I had a much better race.
11:13
SPEAKER_03: I was trained so much better because in 2023 I ran it at 14 months postpartum.
11:19
SPEAKER_03: Um and I, you know, I wasn't I wasn't trained up.
11:23
SPEAKER_03: It was to do it, to finish it.
11:26
SPEAKER_03: It was it gave me a goal, you know, it gave me a goal to get back into fitness um and it did the job.
11:32
SPEAKER_03: And I was very pleased and I loved it, but it was yeah, torrential.
11:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I always found uh find uh an amazing amount of respect.
11:40
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I can't relate being a a guy to be honest, but these races where I see moms postpartum, you know, a year, year and a half, and they're like doing a marathon.
11:48
SPEAKER_00: How is my first question?
11:54
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I think I think uh over here it's a bit different in how long we get off work after we have a baby.
12:00
SPEAKER_03: So I had just over a year off, um, which meant that I was spending kind of all my time with my daughter when she, you know, after she was born for that first year, and I was able only ever really able to run on the weekends because we didn't have any like childcare in place at that point.
12:13
SPEAKER_03: I was the childcare, so I was only able to really run on the weekends and maybe like the odd 5k during the week if my husband was working from home and she was napping, you know, kind of if the stars aligned, I was able to get out.
12:25
SPEAKER_03: Um, but really it was very like opportunistic.
12:29
SPEAKER_03: Um, so even if I was exhausted or slightly under the weather or really didn't want to go, I only had very small time frames that I could get out, so I made those time frames really count.
12:38
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I think that's how I managed to do it was just my motivation was incredibly high because I wasn't able to run through pregnancy just because I was just very unjust unwell during my pregnancy, so I couldn't run and I hadn't actually run for about a year um when I did start to run again, when I was able to run again after having her.
12:59
SPEAKER_03: Um and my motivation was just so high, and every run I went on, I just felt so lucky that I was able to get out and do it that um yeah, I was very driven to get it done, and it was a really good way of getting back to me, doing something for me.
13:12
SPEAKER_03: Um, and yeah, I think it probably made me a better mother because I got out and I was happier and more relaxed whenever I came back from my runs.
13:21
SPEAKER_03: So um that's how I did it.
13:23
SPEAKER_03: But obviously, I was in a very fortunate situation that I had that time off um and that my husband was working from home some of the time, you know, that sort of thing.
13:32
SPEAKER_03: So um we're all in very different positions when it comes to running after having a baby.
13:37
SPEAKER_03: Some people aren't able to run because they've been like injured during birth, or if they don't have any care at all or help with their children, so they can't get out.
13:46
SPEAKER_03: So I was one of the lucky ones, I was one of the privileged ones, I would say.
13:50
SPEAKER_03: Um, but I was just driven and I loved it.
13:52
SPEAKER_03: I loved every second of the training and the marathon, so yeah, it was fortunate.
13:56
SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
13:58
SPEAKER_00: How has um like motherhood affected your running?
14:01
SPEAKER_00: I believe you said earlier, you know, following your stuff, that this year's been one of your most amazing years as being a mom and running and a lot of PBs coming from that.
14:11
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, you broke your 5k record, you had a great London showing.
14:15
SPEAKER_00: I saw most recently you did like a uh a relay endurance race, 12 hours, first female team, number one, first place.
14:23
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, all these breakthroughs coming in and and you uh having great success from that.
14:29
SPEAKER_00: How has that changed you?
14:30
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's quite um I think it I think it it does kind of stem back to I always I think I think it stems back to I I was not able to run for such a long period of time, and my time now is I don't I don't have a lot of time.
14:45
SPEAKER_03: I work, I run, I have a child, I have you know, life.
14:48
SPEAKER_03: Um time I do have, uh as like I said before, like I make the absolute most of when I can run.
14:57
SPEAKER_03: And I didn't have that drive before having a child because yeah, like I thought I was busy, like I still had a job and I had life and everything, but actually when you bring it like a child into the mix, it's very different.
15:08
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I like value every time I manage to get out.
15:12
SPEAKER_03: Whereas before I would like miss a run, or I'd be like, Oh, I'm not really feeling it, I'm not going to do that, or and I just didn't like push as hard.
15:21
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I also think uh kind of pregnancy, birth, postpartum has made me so much stronger like than I was prior, like just so much stronger in every way, mentally, physically.
15:34
SPEAKER_03: Um, everything just the things that I used to find hard, I don't find hard anymore.
15:38
SPEAKER_03: Um, which I think is like a relative thing.
15:42
SPEAKER_03: So I was yeah, so much more driven, made the most of my time, and it just felt far stronger in every aspect, which I think has really helped my running.
15:50
SPEAKER_03: Um I also did join a run club uh when I was about a year, year and a half postpartum, maybe.
15:58
SPEAKER_03: Um, I joined my running club, which is very, very local to me, like very local to my town that I live in.
16:04
SPEAKER_03: Um, and being around so many other exceptional runners, like that is going to motivate you.
16:09
SPEAKER_03: Just seeing how hard they work and kind of not being frightened to like push really, really hard in training.
16:15
SPEAKER_03: That wasn't really something I ever did before.
16:16
SPEAKER_03: I would push, but not to the point where it was really, really working.
16:20
SPEAKER_03: Like these people like do their session, they collapse on the floor afterwards, and that wasn't ever something that I had done.
16:25
SPEAKER_03: I thought that was just for races, right?
16:27
SPEAKER_03: But I saw these people do it, and also I was socializing a lot more, and my runs were becoming really like social too, and I was finding them so much fun and really exciting.
16:38
SPEAKER_03: So actually, I was running more, my runs were more fun as well and more diverse, I think.
16:44
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I think all of these things put together has really changed how I see running and how I push myself within it, and the results have come out.
16:53
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I've yeah, so I mean, over the last year, so so so my daughter is now three, just like for reference.
16:58
SPEAKER_03: So in her like third year of life coming to how I've broken all my like the PBs across all distances, um, which you know shouldn't really be considering why I am all the time, but it happened, yeah.
17:15
SPEAKER_00: Oh no, I mean I would say to use an American term that people love using here, let me give you your flowers.
17:24
SPEAKER_00: You know, you're doing amazing.
17:25
SPEAKER_00: Um, like you said, you know, sometimes you can do this and sometimes you can, and um, you know, just from seeing it, and also part why I want to have you on, you're doing amazing things, like you said, you know, motherhood, work.
17:36
SPEAKER_00: It's hard to balance that, but to achieve PRs uh while doing it, that's amazing.
17:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, even nonetheless, or PBs, sorry, uh, for my English people achieve PBs.
17:47
SPEAKER_00: Um, I saw you also ran trail.
17:49
SPEAKER_00: I'm not, you know, actually, I want to ask you what's your favorite, if you will, uh trail, uh track, uh road?
17:55
SPEAKER_03: Uh interesting.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: I know ultra's not it.
17:59
SPEAKER_03: I did one ultra, and I shan't be doing that again.
18:03
SPEAKER_01: It would it was it was awful.
18:07
SPEAKER_03: Um, I think uh terrain, yeah, so my favorite terrain is I love a road race, I love being able to run fast, but to for training, I love trails because they're just so much more interesting.
18:17
SPEAKER_03: Like being on a road, being around cars, like stopping at traffic lights, like it's just it's boring.
18:23
SPEAKER_03: Um so you know, but for a race, I love a road race because I love trying to be fast.
18:29
SPEAKER_03: Um, but trail is just yeah, it's beautiful.
18:33
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then track for anything of of speed that needs to be like a really like predictable pace.
18:38
SPEAKER_03: I need a track.
18:39
SPEAKER_03: Um, but I did do a tra as you said, I did do a trail relay event uh on Saturday, um which is uh through like a forest and it's loops of a forest trail, and that was that was hard.
18:52
SPEAKER_03: It was very, very hilly, and we were doing four mile loops uh in like a relay um to see how many loops you can do within 12 hours, so nine till nine.
19:02
SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, so that was that was very difficult.
19:05
SPEAKER_03: My legs were were dead after that because it was, yeah, the terrain was just all over the place.
19:10
SPEAKER_03: But that was what made it really fun, and it was beautiful as well because we were sort of there so early to so late, we saw the sunset, and you're running and kind of you know, it was just beautiful, um, but hard.
19:18
SPEAKER_03: So I think different terrains for different things.
19:23
SPEAKER_00: I can see that.
19:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, the forest, and I have heard that uh just being on trails, like I remember when I was in London, um, which was earlier this year, around March.
19:33
SPEAKER_00: Um was it this year?
19:35
SPEAKER_00: Last year, sorry.
19:37
SPEAKER_03: Last year, but you were there just before the marathon then.
19:40
SPEAKER_00: Yes, just before the marathon, I was there.
19:43
SPEAKER_00: Um, it was like a whole Europe trip, but I spent about a week in in London and and going around and and taking the train and all that and visiting different parts, which I loved.
19:52
SPEAKER_00: But thinking back on it now, I could see how running in the city would be nuts because it's like so many traffic lights, the roads are long, um, some are short, and that kills momentum for me.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: Like I see I used to live in New York City where um I'm originally from, and it's like, yeah, you can have fun running, but every stoplight, unless you find a nice area where you can just go, um, it stops momentum, which could not be fun, especially if you're training for longer distances.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: So I I can see that with the trails.
20:17
SPEAKER_00: Um and I've had heard that a lot, actually.
20:19
SPEAKER_03: I used to live in London.
20:20
SPEAKER_03: Um, so where I live now is just north of London, so with uh the county, just county just north of London.
20:26
SPEAKER_03: So I think part of my county is considered Greater London, so that's kind of how close I am.
20:30
SPEAKER_03: Uh but we got it.
20:32
SPEAKER_03: We used to live in North London, and one of my training routes would take me to Camden Market.
20:37
SPEAKER_03: I don't know if you went to Camden Market when you were there, but it is busy.
20:41
SPEAKER_03: That was my everyday training route.
20:43
SPEAKER_03: That's how I got out of my area and got onto the canals.
20:46
SPEAKER_03: Um, and it was ridiculous, it was ridiculous.
20:48
SPEAKER_03: Like I would just be walking through crowds.
20:50
SPEAKER_03: And when I was training for my first London marathon, was when I lived in London, um, and having to do like 20 odd miles around like uh it was like King's Cross station, Houston Station, going out to like Chelsea, it was just oh it was awful, like trying to get any kind of pace and was hitting into people.
21:09
SPEAKER_03: There are a lot of tourists, obviously, because it's London, but it was yeah, it was it was a real challenge.
21:13
SPEAKER_03: I didn't enjoy it.
21:15
SPEAKER_00: I felt like a tourist who was running because as I'm running, I'm like, oh, this is cool.
21:20
SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
21:21
SPEAKER_00: But then it's like I want to go and I can't.
21:25
SPEAKER_00: The lights, to your point, can now I got lost a lot also because it's like the streets are very different.
21:31
SPEAKER_00: Um, where like you can turn in one corner, and next thing you know, you're in an alley, but then you're on the main street, and then there's a lot of cars, some of the roads are narrow.
21:40
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's what happens when you have a city that was like made for core uh like horse carts and walking rather than cars.
21:48
SPEAKER_00: I ended up doing the bulk of my running.
21:50
SPEAKER_00: Eventually I gave up and just started taking the the train in uh Battersea Park, which I know is very common for those closer.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: And uh I spent the second half more towards North Florent.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Uh, North London, ironically.
22:01
SPEAKER_00: That's when I saw Camden and stuff.
22:03
SPEAKER_00: At that point, I was just walking and doing tourist stuff.
22:07
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
22:07
SPEAKER_03: Battersea Parks, which is South London, has got quite a reputation at the moment, anyway, being a very popular place to run because it's flat and it's big and yeah, but it still can get pretty busy.
22:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
22:20
SPEAKER_00: Uh it was when I went.
22:21
SPEAKER_00: I would just try to wake up early.
22:23
SPEAKER_00: Um, talk to me about the 12-hour race, the team, you know, first place all women team.
22:28
SPEAKER_00: Um, and and what was the logistics like?
22:31
SPEAKER_00: How many loops did you guys do?
22:32
SPEAKER_00: That that that kind of stuff.
22:34
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so I did it last year for the first time.
22:36
SPEAKER_03: Um, so this is second year going second year going into it.
22:40
SPEAKER_03: So I sort of knew what more to expect this time.
22:43
SPEAKER_03: I think the main thing with this event is that it really is, it really is just like an endurance event because you are doing a loop, then you have to stop.
22:52
SPEAKER_03: And the breaks that I had are about an hour and a half in between each lap.
22:56
SPEAKER_03: So you can't have like a meal because you're not going to be able to finish it fast enough and everything's settled before you have to go again.
23:02
SPEAKER_03: So you're not really eating properly.
23:05
SPEAKER_03: Um the weather was pretty hot, it was like 22, um, but there was quite a strong wind.
23:10
SPEAKER_03: So you're kind of sitting in the wind, but the sun when you're having to wait in between.
23:14
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then you basically tap in to your teammate.
23:18
SPEAKER_03: So yeah, we were a female team of four.
23:21
SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, so there were four of us.
23:23
SPEAKER_03: My friend who is an ultra runner and had just done uh she was in Chamony last week, uh competing in the mountains during an ultra.
23:32
SPEAKER_03: So she was our first runner because we knew that she would probably just be able to keep going.
23:36
SPEAKER_03: Um, whereas I can do the far, I can I can run far, um, but I tend to do it a bit quicker.
23:43
SPEAKER_03: Um, so we put me second, and then unfortunately we then was a bit poorly, bless her, but so she was last, and then we had someone else in the middle who's more of like a high roxer.
23:55
SPEAKER_03: Um so it was quite interesting.
23:56
SPEAKER_03: It was quite an interesting mix.
23:58
SPEAKER_03: So um we covered 20 miles each that day.
24:01
SPEAKER_03: Um last year we actually, yeah, so 20 yeah, 20 miles each.
24:05
SPEAKER_03: Last year we actually covered 24 miles each.
24:08
SPEAKER_03: We did an extra lap last year because we had another team that was like chasing our tail, but actually this year we had as much lead that we could actually stop.
24:16
SPEAKER_03: So we didn't have to do the final lap, which is a really weird thing to have in like a race.
24:21
SPEAKER_03: Because imagine thinking, oh, I'm just gonna stop four miles early, you know.
24:24
SPEAKER_03: So it's a really weird thing to get your head around.
24:26
SPEAKER_03: You never know the lap you're doing if it's gonna be your final lap, so you don't know how much energy to like conserve in case you have to go and see four miles.
24:34
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so it's a really it's a really interesting event and it's very unique.
24:39
SPEAKER_03: Um, and you really rely on your team, I think, to keep everything together because you can feel a bit like you can feel a bit funny, I guess, and you really rely on your team to like cheer you and be there at each point and cheer you on and encourage you and keep your spirits up because if one of you dips, you'll all dip because it's really hard.
25:00
SPEAKER_03: So you kind of really have to keep each other hyped up um and positive um to be able to kind of get up from a deck chair where you've just been sitting in the sun to then go and run again and then come back when you're seized up, and it's yeah, so it's it was a real it it was a real challenge.
25:14
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then you run in the dark as well um on trails, which is obviously a bit my ideal.
25:19
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, it was a really good, exciting event, and it's just nice to do something a bit different.
25:24
SPEAKER_03: Like what I love about running is the experiences that it gives.
25:27
SPEAKER_03: So even if I think I'm not going to love something or it's not really my jam, like I want to do it because I want to be able to experience everything really that running has to offer, hence the one ultra marathon and never doing it again.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: What was the distance for that ultra?
25:42
SPEAKER_00: The the one we're not doing again.
25:44
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was like the minimum that you could do for an ultra, so it was 50k, 50k.
25:50
SPEAKER_00: That's uh I wouldn't say that's the minimum, but that's definitely an ultra.
25:55
SPEAKER_03: But it's kind of like the minimum distance for an ultra, isn't it?
25:58
SPEAKER_00: Because obviously a marathon is 42 kilometers, and then you just kind of thinking more the endurance ones or the backyard loop ones, which are like time-based, I guess, if you will.
26:08
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, 50k it's right over the marathon.
26:11
SPEAKER_00: Uh, I myself have not dabbled in ultra and I live where a lot of ultras happen currently, and not for now, for me.
26:20
SPEAKER_03: That's a different mindset from a marathon, I would say.
26:23
SPEAKER_03: Um, and some people really love that because you tend to go a bit slower, you can have breaks, you eat, that kind of thing.
26:30
SPEAKER_03: Um, but I would prefer to just get it done as fast as I can, so it's over quicker.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: How's the recovery been from that?
26:38
SPEAKER_00: Uh, because you said it was just Saturday.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: I I didn't know it was that recent.
26:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, and well, to me, you seem very energetic and recovered as is right now.
26:46
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I had a few days off because it was on a Saturday, I got recovered, well, recover.
26:51
SPEAKER_03: I was still with a three-year-old all day, right?
26:54
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then I had work on Monday um and Tuesday.
26:58
SPEAKER_03: So I I've like taken a few days off completely.
27:01
SPEAKER_03: Um, I think I was I really struggled with the like lack of meals.
27:05
SPEAKER_03: Um, I was and I had a bit of like a I guess maybe a sugar crash because I made this batch of uh flapjacks.
27:11
SPEAKER_03: I don't know if you have those, have they?
27:13
SPEAKER_01: Yes, we do.
27:14
SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep.
27:15
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so I just made this massive batch of flapjacks, which are just full fill of the sugar and um syrup, and I basically just snacked on those like all day um to keep me going, and it worked, like it worked, but I think like I was desperate for some vegetables.
27:30
SPEAKER_03: Um so I think struggled the next day because all I'd been eating was rubbish, um, and obviously I had to rehydrate.
27:37
SPEAKER_03: You had you get a terrible sleep because your muscles aren't happy because you've just had a ridiculous day, um, which isn't normal.
27:44
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, I made sure I took I I've taken time off and it's felt a lot better.
27:49
SPEAKER_03: But um when I rest, like I rest hard, I'm not someone that's like, oh, I'm having a day, you know, chilling and I'm still gonna go and walk a 10k.
27:57
SPEAKER_03: If I'm having a rest day, like it involves a bath, it involves a lot of electrolytes, it's you know, full of pasta, that kind of thing.
28:04
SPEAKER_03: So that's what I've been doing since Saturday.
28:06
SPEAKER_03: But I've got um a half marathon at the beginning of October, so I don't really have any time to rest because that's kind of the uh A race, I guess.
28:16
SPEAKER_03: A goal.
28:17
SPEAKER_00: Okay, an A race in October half, okay.
28:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so it's the Oxford half actually, so it's quite a big one.
28:22
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I know the Oxford half, yes.
28:23
SPEAKER_00: Oh, do you?
28:24
SPEAKER_00: Yes, sorry I know of the Oxford half.
28:28
SPEAKER_00: Huh?
28:29
SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: I haven't run it.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: No, I I've known of it.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: Um I have been close to signing up, funny enough.
28:35
SPEAKER_00: So at this point I try to schedule, I'm sure, like a lot of runners right now, you know, trips around running.
28:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, and and Oxford is is one of those places I haven't experienced where I want to go visit.
28:47
SPEAKER_00: Um, there's there's of course many, so I I don't think I'm done with England anytime soon.
28:54
SPEAKER_00: Um the Oxford half.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: I did sign up for um I didn't do it this year because uh I had just moved to Colorado and we're at altitude here, so it kind of hit me heavy training at altitude here.
29:05
SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't know the meter difference, but I'm gonna take a guess somewhere around 1.5 meters, uh 5,000 feet for American people, uh somewhere in between that for both people.
29:15
SPEAKER_00: Um, so I the training was just really bad.
29:18
SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm trying to remember what's the big um Adidas sponsor it's right before London.
29:24
SPEAKER_00: Um it's very hilly, it's a full marathon.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: There's also a half, it's around March in England.
29:31
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
29:32
SPEAKER_03: Is it associated with a city or is it just in London?
29:37
SPEAKER_00: You know, I keep mixing up London, it's in England.
29:40
SPEAKER_00: Um but I think it's a little bit north if I'm because it's like the countryside.
29:45
SPEAKER_03: Oh, I don't know.
29:47
SPEAKER_00: It'll come to me later, funny enough.
29:50
SPEAKER_00: Maybe I'll share with you later.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I've been close to signing up to a few.
29:53
SPEAKER_02: You need Great North Run.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: No, not Great North Run.
29:57
SPEAKER_00: No, I know of that one too, but not great.
29:59
SPEAKER_00: But point being, I've been close to signing up for a few, and Oxford was one where I was like, ooh, I get to visit Oxford and have fun in Oxford.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: Like it's a really good one.
30:07
SPEAKER_00: I've been close to signing up.
30:09
SPEAKER_03: It is a good one, I think.
30:10
SPEAKER_03: Okay, that's good to know.
30:11
SPEAKER_03: Um, because Oxford half and Cambridge half um uh very similar but kind of a different, I guess, end of the season, the running season.
30:19
SPEAKER_03: So Cambridge is just before the spring marathons.
30:22
SPEAKER_03: Um so I love doing that one for that purpose, and it's beautiful because you get to see the whole of Cambridge, like it really takes you on a tour.
30:27
SPEAKER_03: Um, and Oxford is similar in that it's also like pretty flat and it's and it's beautiful as well.
30:34
SPEAKER_03: Um, so I would recommend both of those, but Cambridge is becoming increasingly more competitive to get into as they all kind of are at the moment.
30:41
SPEAKER_03: I don't know if that's the same over with you guys, but races is just becoming so much harder to get into, and thus the prices are going up.
30:47
SPEAKER_03: Um, so I think other than these two, I tend to keep quite local with my events because it's time and it's so much money.
30:54
SPEAKER_03: Um, so unless you kind of get the scenic route and scenic tour, I don't really bother.
30:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:00
SPEAKER_00: No, it's the same here.
31:02
SPEAKER_00: Um, I've shifted more to like less of the bigger races intentionally because you know I still want to hit my times and there's plenty of great races, flag courses.
31:10
SPEAKER_00: You can save the big races for you know big PBs or or big travel.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah, they're getting so expensive.
31:17
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's maybe why I looked.
31:18
SPEAKER_00: I signed up for uh well, I entered the ballot for um Tokyo for next year, and I remember the year before I tried, I think it was like 130 US, which would probably be somewhere in the 150, 160 euros.
31:32
SPEAKER_00: And this year it's 200 plus in one year of difference, and I'm just uh it's just increasing.
31:39
SPEAKER_00: Running is getting very popular on on all parts of the world.
31:42
SPEAKER_03: But it is some of the bigger half marathons here are hitting about 70 pounds.
31:47
SPEAKER_00: Okay, which is probably that's amazing.
31:50
SPEAKER_03: That's probably that's probably gonna no.
31:52
SPEAKER_03: So those that's for a half marathon, and though and those and that's probably what like probably about a hundred dollars.
32:00
SPEAKER_00: So our half marathons right now are 120, 150, which is probably around 150 euros.
32:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, even local.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a lot.
32:11
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think we are with we're yeah, I think our local ones tend to be cheaper, which is good.
32:16
SPEAKER_03: But anything in London, any of the cities, you're the prices are just going up and up and up because the demand is growing, the demand is really growing.
32:24
SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah.
32:26
SPEAKER_00: Talk to me about running uh in UK, in England.
32:29
SPEAKER_00: We we've chatted before recording on here on some of the difference, but before we get into that, tell me what's it like.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: We've shared a little bit about the running courses, but uh let's start with clubs, if you will.
32:38
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so this is really interesting.
32:39
SPEAKER_03: So obviously, I haven't I don't know much about the running community in the US.
32:45
SPEAKER_03: Um, but from the brief, like brief conversation that we had prior, it's yeah, it sounds like you guys don't have clubs in the US.
32:53
SPEAKER_01: Very rare.
32:54
SPEAKER_03: Really interesting because um sort of every yeah, like every county here in the UK tends to have several clubs within it.
33:02
SPEAKER_03: Um, and these running clubs offer like training, um, competitive events across loads of different, like different um areas, so cross country, um 10Ks, athletics track events, like loads of different ones.
33:18
SPEAKER_03: And then we like rank.
33:20
SPEAKER_03: Um, so yeah, I find yeah, it's so it becomes quite it can be quite competitive, but you do get very competitive people who are in these clubs, but you also then just get people who love to run and aren't doing it for the times um as well.
33:31
SPEAKER_03: So there's kind of like a big spectrum, and the one that I'm at is very inclusive in terms of we have loads and loads of people, some people who don't compete with anything, and they're just there for the training and to you know be part of a running community, but whereas we have people in my club who are exceptional.
33:46
SPEAKER_03: Um, so we have an Olympian um in our we have, yeah, we have well, yeah, we have an um she's in our club, and then we also have a ex-Olympian who's also one of the coaches.
33:59
SPEAKER_03: So it's like we have, yeah, we're a we're a pretty good club, and I feel very lucky to be part of it because it's very fun being part of a team that wins all the time, even if you're not contributing to the win.
34:09
SPEAKER_03: Even if it's not me doing it, it's fun to be a part of it.
34:13
SPEAKER_03: So yeah, it is it's really good, and we have like a track that we train on.
34:17
SPEAKER_03: Um, and yeah, it's fantastic.
34:19
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I was really yeah, it really interested to hear that that's not something that happens in the US because I would have thought with how popular sport is at kind of like a college level, um, that that doesn't translate into adulthood.
34:34
SPEAKER_00: I would say it does, it's just there's differences.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: Um, like for example, from my understanding and what you've also shared, is there's a club, right?
34:42
SPEAKER_00: And and first off, I'm jealous of the singlets of clubs because usually here in America, we just wear whatever singlet is unique to us, or maybe you have a club you go to, not in the same sense that you kind of represent the club, but it's more social, if you will, is what I'm getting at.
34:56
SPEAKER_00: Some may have access to track, but it'll be like a public track where we just happen to go maybe on that day, but it's not in the sense of how it is there where there's rankings and you have a coach.
35:06
SPEAKER_00: Everyone kind of individualizes their individualizes their coaching here.
35:11
SPEAKER_00: So if you happen to have a coach, it's because you're paying your own for your own private coach.
35:16
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, we don't have that club.
35:18
SPEAKER_00: Maybe you have a club that you join on Tuesdays for fun, for track, but most of your running is individual, your coach is individual.
35:25
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, every time I hear of how it is there in a club, that sounds amazing to me because it's like, yeah, I got a coach I can go and run with my crew on Tuesday, tempo day, long run day.
35:36
SPEAKER_00: You kind of have to try and find that and curate it yourself, if you will.
35:39
SPEAKER_03: I hope that kind of shed a little bit of light, but yeah, I will caveat that the coaches that we have don't like set individual plans for anyone, they will just they set the plans for our interval sessions, they help to like plan some of the longer runs, they help to plan the events.
35:57
SPEAKER_03: Um, but obviously a lot of us do have coaches or like um like coaching apps, which is what I use.
36:03
SPEAKER_03: Um, but it's very nice to have people that are very skilled that you can talk to when you're there, um, who are often obviously very good themselves as well.
36:11
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, but so it's not as a coach as I think, yeah, it's not a coach as in telling everybody individually what to do.
36:16
SPEAKER_03: They are like group group sessions, but they're still very, very useful.
36:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would say that part's a little more similar, but it seems like the norm is more that over there where you have it here, is like you happen to live in a city that has a coach that gives everyone the the speed day workout.
36:32
SPEAKER_00: It's uh not exactly the same from everything I've seen and gathered.
36:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, touching on that, I I kind of want to delve into what is training like with the club and your overall training on a week basis.
36:43
SPEAKER_00: Like, um, do you favor tempo?
36:45
SPEAKER_00: What's your speed session is like, how's the long run work?
36:49
SPEAKER_03: I think it changes weekly depending on my time availability and when I can get stuff in.
36:56
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I do often have to adapt sessions or make use of time where I've got as an add-on to a session because I've got more time that day.
37:04
SPEAKER_03: So it does change weekly.
37:06
SPEAKER_03: Um, at the moment, because I'm training for a half marathon, really, it is the main workouts are interval, long run, and tempo, as you said, um, and then just some more of like the easy, easy miles.
37:20
SPEAKER_03: Um, so I will make sure that like I hit all of those.
37:22
SPEAKER_03: The long run's obviously very important when you're doing this kind of thing.
37:25
SPEAKER_03: And I've recently started introducing like tempo within a long run, which I think has made what made a big difference to my marathon time.
37:31
SPEAKER_03: I hadn't been doing that before.
37:33
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I switched between longer interval sessions and shorter interval sessions.
37:37
SPEAKER_03: Um, one to obviously help the longer distances, one to help the shorter distances, one's faster, one's slower, but they're still kind of the basic thing.
37:44
SPEAKER_03: Um, tempos.
37:46
SPEAKER_03: Um, well, I don't know how popular park run is over in the US.
37:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh it depends what city you're in.
37:54
SPEAKER_00: Um, funny you shared that.
37:55
SPEAKER_00: I just heard of my people in New York City are getting a park run.
37:59
SPEAKER_00: Um is insane to me that New York City, one of the biggest known cities, didn't have a park run, but there's some politics, if you will, I play.
38:07
SPEAKER_00: There's a big uh let's say um overseer, if you will.
38:11
SPEAKER_00: Uh, New York Run Club kind of runs everything, roadrunners, I should say, in New York, the marathon and everything.
38:16
SPEAKER_00: So it was weird to me there's no park run.
38:18
SPEAKER_00: There's one here, but only one.
38:19
SPEAKER_00: And Colorado's huge.
38:21
SPEAKER_01: Wow, okay.
38:22
SPEAKER_00: It depends where you live here, and I I've noticed it's everywhere uh uh out there.
38:27
SPEAKER_03: It is honestly everywhere.
38:28
SPEAKER_03: So in my town, we have three.
38:30
SPEAKER_03: Um, so yeah, I know.
38:34
SPEAKER_03: To be fair, like my my town is very good for running, like for some reason.
38:38
SPEAKER_03: Okay, it's a very good place to run.
38:39
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, we have three, and each has about I think like three to four hundred people in it um every week, which is great.
38:46
SPEAKER_03: But I make sure that I add in a park run if I can a week as part of like a tempo, which means I can run a bit before, a bit after, but I will always get like a 5k of effort in.
38:56
SPEAKER_03: That's really fun because I'm doing it with other people.
38:58
SPEAKER_03: Um, so I've actually found that being very, very helpful as part of a tempo run.
39:03
SPEAKER_03: Um, because doing it on your own when you've also done an interval session that week and you're doing a long run and maybe you're doing it on your own, being able to do a park run with other people is really, really helpful.
39:12
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then also my club does organize around like marathon peak times, so that tends to be uh like August, just before some of the marathons, and then more to but then in winter coming into spring, they organise like long runs, so anything between 15 and 20 miles that you can do with other people from the club, and they have like food stations set up and water stations around.
39:36
SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's amazing! It's so good, like I'm so I feel very lucky.
39:40
SPEAKER_03: Um, so yeah, fortunately, that I always try and get in a few social runs a week and they really help.
39:45
SPEAKER_03: And I think to your point earlier about trying to fit in everything and balance everything, if I can um kind of combine running with socializing, great.
39:54
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I do have some very close friends that I run with, and we will then do a run together, and you get, you know, like a two-hour catch-up with your friend, but you're getting two in one, and it's really good.
40:04
SPEAKER_03: So, yeah, um, that's kind of what the training training looks like.
40:07
SPEAKER_03: Sometimes I get it in before work.
40:09
SPEAKER_03: Um, when I'm working from home, I go on, I go at lunch.
40:13
SPEAKER_03: Um, I occasionally was going in the evenings after work.
40:16
SPEAKER_03: Um, that's gonna be stopping soon though, because it's also getting darker here.
40:20
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, so basically it's different every week, but I try and keep those three in the tempo, the interval, and the long run, and try and keep that as consistent as possible.
40:29
SPEAKER_03: Um, and that's kind of where I see the progress happen.
40:32
SPEAKER_00: No, I I love that.
40:33
SPEAKER_00: There's a couple of things that stood out for me, like how you change your running based off the race.
40:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, I find a lot of nuances with when people don't do that.
40:42
SPEAKER_00: Like, as someone who coaches eventually sometimes on the side here, like people miss that.
40:47
SPEAKER_00: And it's like speed, speed, speed, but like, are you doing speed for your marathon or half?
40:51
SPEAKER_00: Um, your your club sounds amazing.
40:54
SPEAKER_00: Um, food and snacks on the course.
40:56
SPEAKER_03: Uh sweets and water, honestly.
41:01
SPEAKER_03: It's yeah, it's so good.
41:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we we need to start getting uh does your club want to expand to America?
41:07
SPEAKER_00: I just figured I ask.
41:11
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, send all the striders if they want to come on over.
41:14
SPEAKER_03: Uh might be a bit bit tricky.
41:16
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, no, it is.
41:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that might be a bit tricky.
41:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, I I did want to ask you on clubs, just for those listening.
41:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I'm curious myself, is there a fee for clubs?
41:27
SPEAKER_00: Is that how it works?
41:28
SPEAKER_00: People pay a fee, they join the club and they run with their club.
41:30
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
41:31
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so well for me anyway, for ours, it's a yearly fee um that you pay, and there are a lot of like perks with that.
41:37
SPEAKER_03: And then you also pay your subscription to England Athletics as well, which means you can do more events and you get like a ranking within England Athletics.
41:48
SPEAKER_03: Um, obviously that only accounts to England.
41:50
SPEAKER_03: Not for I'm not sure what happens in Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.
41:52
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, that's the affiliated.
41:56
SPEAKER_03: We are affiliated with England Athletics as well.
41:58
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but you do have to pay a fee quite a lot.
42:01
SPEAKER_00: Really cool.
42:02
SPEAKER_00: No, I mean, cool not that you have to pay, but it sounds like you get a lot of perks from it and the ranking system, it'd be cool to just see where you rank and have access, helps with races, I'm sure, and stuff like that, which is is pretty cool.
42:13
SPEAKER_00: Fun.
42:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: Would you say you run more socially than or are you train a lot solo?
42:19
SPEAKER_03: I do, I do have to run like a lot solo, like in the mornings and on my lunch runs.
42:24
SPEAKER_03: Um, it'll just be the long runs I try and do with other people, um, or at least some of it with other people, and then my interval sessions uh at the track, um, with obviously a big group.
42:34
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then yeah, occasionally I'll align with other people for other runs, but obviously events, which there are quite a lot of throughout, you know, the year, the month, um running with people then.
42:44
SPEAKER_03: But obviously it is, it's it's mainly solo because it's as and when I can get it in.
42:48
SPEAKER_03: But the more planned things, I try and get in with people when I can.
42:52
SPEAKER_00: Got it.
42:53
SPEAKER_00: No, no, that that's uh I tend to run more solo, which is why I ask.
42:57
SPEAKER_00: And one of my goals is to start doing it with more people because it's more fun and sometimes you get competitive.
43:02
SPEAKER_03: Oh gosh, yeah.
43:03
SPEAKER_03: I think I mean I used to be a solo runner completely before joining the club, and it completely changed, completely changed how I run.
43:10
SPEAKER_03: Um, I don't, it's interesting, I don't get I don't get competitive with the other people I'm running with.
43:16
SPEAKER_03: Um I'm competitive against myself, but not against the people we're with, and obviously also for me it's training, but you want to keep up.
43:23
SPEAKER_03: So if like for example, like an interval session and you're feeling like you're doing a rep and you're really, really struggling, but everyone around you is pushing, it's like a herd thing, right?
43:30
SPEAKER_03: You push as well, which is really, really helpful.
43:32
SPEAKER_03: So though I'm not feeling like I want to catch up with the person in front of me, I'm being driven by them, which is great.
43:39
SPEAKER_00: You've run a lot of races, right?
43:41
SPEAKER_00: Uh, I think it's seven marathons, uh, unless it's more.
43:44
SPEAKER_00: Um, even BQ'd for American people who love saying BQ.
43:50
SPEAKER_03: You say that because it's Boston qualifying registration this week, which I put in.
43:56
SPEAKER_03: So we will see.
43:58
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
43:58
SPEAKER_03: I find out this month.
44:00
SPEAKER_03: I'll be coming to Boston um in April.
44:03
SPEAKER_03: So we'll see.
44:03
SPEAKER_03: But I also I did I qualified last year and I didn't get in because obviously it's becoming so much more competitive.
44:09
SPEAKER_00: So what uh what time do you need for for Boston?
44:12
SPEAKER_03: So for oh gosh.
44:14
SPEAKER_03: Uh has it changed this year?
44:16
SPEAKER_00: So it's changing every year lately.
44:19
SPEAKER_03: 330.
44:20
SPEAKER_03: Um so I got 327 last year, was nowhere near like couldn't get in, although I qualified.
44:27
SPEAKER_03: Um this year I'm 319, so I'm more hopeful this year than I am enough under the qualifying time.
44:34
SPEAKER_03: But I like I still don't know.
44:36
SPEAKER_03: Still really feels really unfair.
44:38
SPEAKER_00: I think you're gonna get in.
44:40
SPEAKER_00: Um I've been hearing some of the like organizers, not directly tied, but people, you know, we see it a lot in America.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: Uh coaches who are very familiar with the race and and you know, people that have a little bit of access to they're saying the buffer might look like five, seven minutes, and you have a lot more than that.
44:57
SPEAKER_00: Uh, if it is 3:30, you need.
44:59
SPEAKER_00: So I think you might be running your first Boston.
45:02
SPEAKER_03: Well, I think so.
45:03
SPEAKER_03: I just want I want to tick it off.
45:04
SPEAKER_03: I really want to tick it off.
45:06
SPEAKER_03: It's one of those big ones, isn't it?
45:08
SPEAKER_03: And I yeah, because there's no other way.
45:10
SPEAKER_03: I don't know if there are other ways to get into Boston and in where you are, but for us, you literally have to get in through qualifying time.
45:17
SPEAKER_00: Um, there's another way charity.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: Charity is the only other way, and it's even that hard for Boston more than the other majors for some reason.
45:26
SPEAKER_00: Um, but qualifying, even for us, it's it's it's the reason why the race is so big, the qualifying, and some do charity, but I think it's only a set a small amount subset group that can do the charity, and even that is hard to get into.
45:39
SPEAKER_03: Fine, yeah.
45:40
SPEAKER_03: So it's like the only way to get in is to do it, and like I've done it, done it twice now, I've got the time twice.
45:46
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it just feels like it's just being taken further and further away, and I'm not alone in that.
45:50
SPEAKER_03: I know there are so many other people that have like hit the time and been like, Oh, I hit the time after this amount of years, and it was the year that it changed.
45:56
SPEAKER_03: So I thought I was in last year, and then they were like, Oh, actually, just because you've got the time now doesn't mean you're guaranteed to get in.
46:02
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, it's one of the ones I really, really want to do.
46:04
SPEAKER_03: That and Chicago are two that I'm really, really keen on doing over in the US.
46:08
SPEAKER_00: Um I did Chicago last year, and so far, I want to say New York is my favorite, but Chicago was time-wise.
46:17
SPEAKER_00: I I feel that might change whenever I get to do London.
46:20
SPEAKER_00: So every here's what I hear often, right?
46:22
SPEAKER_00: I hear that as far as energy and crowd, New York and London are the two biggest.
46:27
SPEAKER_00: And um, when I did New York, granted it was my first, it just happened to be a major.
46:33
SPEAKER_00: The energy was amazing.
46:35
SPEAKER_00: I felt like an Olympian.
46:36
SPEAKER_00: The crowds show out, people are like yelling, screaming in a good way.
46:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, they're supporting you.
46:41
SPEAKER_00: They might not know your name because the names aren't on the bibs, but they'll they'll you might be wearing a singlet or something, and they'll be like, Go Emily with the pink singlet or something.
46:50
SPEAKER_00: It's just it fires you up.
46:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, and also being a New Yorker, it was another way to see the city for me.
46:57
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure it may change, but um, Chicago, what I will say, um, I've only done those two so far, and similar to you, I do want to do Boston.
47:05
SPEAKER_00: I'm not there yet because my time uh it just increased.
47:08
SPEAKER_00: I need to do three hours next year.
47:11
SPEAKER_00: Um the buffer, five, seven minutes.
47:15
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I'm not yet at the sub three level.
47:18
SPEAKER_00: My goal is to maybe try to attack it next year.
47:20
SPEAKER_00: We'll see.
47:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm shooting for it, but um Chicago, what I'm getting at is very organized, it's easy to get in and get out.
47:29
SPEAKER_00: It's a very flat course, uh, which I loved.
47:31
SPEAKER_00: I definitely want to do London, but that ballot is is insane.
47:35
SPEAKER_03: It is insane, yeah.
47:36
SPEAKER_03: And I think the qualification for the times, I think you can only get it if you're from the UK.
47:42
SPEAKER_03: I think the good for age and championships, I think, are only for the UK on the score.
47:47
SPEAKER_00: I've seen there is like uh international um and mine, this is just Google, uh, so I could be wrong on this, but from what I saw, the qualifying times are really, really high.
47:58
SPEAKER_00: So you basically have to be sub-alite.
48:00
SPEAKER_00: I I think it was 2 30 internationally for you to automatically qualify in.
48:06
SPEAKER_03: Sorry about that.
48:08
SPEAKER_00: No, you're fine.
48:10
SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, no, it is um London, I think, uh, crowds, unbelievable.
48:15
SPEAKER_03: This year I couldn't hear my headphones once, so I should turn them off.
48:19
SPEAKER_03: Because normally I run with headphones, I just find it easy to just like lock in.
48:22
SPEAKER_03: But at London this year, there was not a hope in hell I was going to be able to hear anything.
48:26
SPEAKER_03: The crowds were deafening, they were deafening.
48:29
SPEAKER_03: It was unbelievable.
48:30
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was I think because it was sunny and it was London and it was spring, and in London, when the sun comes out, everyone's like, oh my god.
48:37
SPEAKER_03: So like everyone was there with like their beers and like cheering, and it was, yeah, it was amazing.
48:42
SPEAKER_03: But it was, I think a few people I know that ran found it quite overwhelming.
48:46
SPEAKER_03: Um, because it was so loud, so so loud, and particularly around um like um Canary Wharf, which has got a lot of very like tall corporate buildings, it was echoing, and it felt like you were in this like chamber of sound, and there were like loads of drums and bells and everything.
49:02
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, the London crowds are are absolutely phenomenal.
49:05
SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, like absolutely phenomenal.
49:08
SPEAKER_03: Last year I did like a local marathon, um, and like a lot of it's obviously very quiet, but it is hard because in London, like you can't hide from the support, and it really makes such a difference.
49:21
SPEAKER_03: Um, but saying that I did Paris marathon last year as well.
49:24
SPEAKER_03: Um, so it was the Olympic year, which was really good fun.
49:27
SPEAKER_03: Um and that the support around Paris was great as well.
49:31
SPEAKER_03: But Paris being Paris, like it's quite chilled because Parisians are very chilled out.
49:36
SPEAKER_03: Um, so they didn't have like blockades from the crowds to the runners.
49:40
SPEAKER_03: So you had a lot of non-runners on the course, which was tricky, like people like running with friends or like coming onto the course to like cheer, which was a bit tricky.
49:49
SPEAKER_03: But the support, the support in Paris was really good as well.
49:52
SPEAKER_00: Paris is one that's on my list.
49:54
SPEAKER_00: Um for sure.
49:56
SPEAKER_00: I've I've seen good things.
49:57
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, it looks amazing.
49:59
SPEAKER_00: It's Paris, it's well organized too, from what I've seen.
50:01
SPEAKER_00: So uh it's on my list.
50:03
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, people are very relaxed as well during the race.
50:07
SPEAKER_03: I think I don't know what happens in like um in the marathons over there.
50:11
SPEAKER_03: I hope I find out.
50:12
SPEAKER_03: Um, but London can be quite argybargy.
50:15
SPEAKER_03: Um there's it can be it's very it's very busy, so then there's a lot of argybargy, a lot of elbows, a lot of pushing at certain points.
50:22
SPEAKER_03: Whereas in like Paris, um it was the opposite, people but like making space for each other, um, and everyone was just really, really relaxed.
50:31
SPEAKER_03: Like it just felt a completely different vibe.
50:32
SPEAKER_03: It was it was yeah, it was really interesting.
50:34
SPEAKER_03: Actually, um, yeah, I had people like saying sorry to me all the time or asking me if I wanted to like move into the space and stuff, which just does not happen in London.
50:44
SPEAKER_00: It's just move in London, get away.
50:47
SPEAKER_03: Don't touch me.
50:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, you know, I'm not saying I'm proud of this, but and you've done a few already.
50:54
SPEAKER_00: American races can be that way.
50:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I can imagine.
50:58
SPEAKER_00: Boston, I hear, is more prestigious and nice friendly because you know, everyone qualified it has such a historic that you may not see that, but you still may.
51:05
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
51:05
SPEAKER_00: Us Americans, we can be quite aggressive.
51:11
SPEAKER_00: Um, where does uh you know if you're on a lot of races, you you're doing some amazing PBs, where does does all the drive and mental fortitude come from to do all this?
51:21
SPEAKER_00: And it sounds like you're not stopping anytime soon either.
51:24
SPEAKER_00: So where where does all that come from?
51:26
SPEAKER_03: I hope not.
51:26
SPEAKER_03: I yeah, I hope I'm not stopping.
51:27
SPEAKER_03: I'm planning on doing this for a long time.
51:29
SPEAKER_03: Um that's a really interesting question.
51:32
SPEAKER_03: I don't, I don't know.
51:34
SPEAKER_03: I think I so from when I was really little, I was a runner.
51:38
SPEAKER_03: Um, always been there um since I was very small.
51:42
SPEAKER_03: I got injured when I was a teenager and I had a long time off.
51:45
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I found that really difficult.
51:48
SPEAKER_03: Um, but ever since I've been very small, running has been something that I've just loved to do.
51:53
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I think the enjoyment is what keeps like bringing me back.
51:57
SPEAKER_03: Um, no matter like how many bad runs I have, the enjoyment of it overall and of the good runs I do have just like keeps keeps me coming back.
52:06
SPEAKER_03: Um and I really don't know.
52:09
SPEAKER_03: I really don't know what I don't really know what drives me.
52:12
SPEAKER_03: I think it's just innate.
52:14
SPEAKER_03: Um I think perhaps in life we don't necessarily get a lot of things that test us the way that running do does.
52:22
SPEAKER_03: Um in terms of like, you know, you can work, but you're working at a laptop, um, at a desk, or you know, you're with family doing all these things for your family, but like ultimately the kind of maybe like biological drive to do something hard for a reward.
52:38
SPEAKER_03: Like perhaps maybe that comes out more in runners or people who run, um, and like does keep us coming back.
52:44
SPEAKER_03: But I love the challenge, I love the achievement, I love the tangible achievement of seeing like times change, of doing a race, of pushing, just pushing and challenging.
52:54
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I think that's just in my personality, um, just to be competitive against myself and do well.
53:00
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I think with running as well, like the way it makes me feel and the endorphins that it releases, the fact that I get to be outside, just all these things just keep me coming back.
53:10
SPEAKER_03: Um, and yeah, it's been such like running is definitely a journey, and I think you can like you you go like this with it.
53:17
SPEAKER_03: Um unfortunately for the last few years it's been going like up for me, and that's quite addictive.
53:24
SPEAKER_03: Um, so if it starts going downhill, I might have to revise my answer.
53:28
SPEAKER_03: But at the moment, I think that's what it is.
53:30
SPEAKER_03: It's just something that I really, really enjoy every aspect of it.
53:35
SPEAKER_00: That's really cool.
53:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, no, I I think all runners, everything you said there, we can relate those ebbs and flows and and then Dorphins and doing hard things, you know.
53:44
SPEAKER_00: It's not easy to go do a 30k long run and and come back and have to do the rest of the day still and then do a longer one, you know, on the on the A goal, which is the race.
53:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, you got to be a certain kind of crazy, as I say with a lot of my friends, to uh do this and enjoy it and also find uh plenty, pleasure, and enjoyment and keep coming back.
54:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly that.
54:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly that.
54:10
SPEAKER_00: I want to ask you a quick set of let's say rapid fire questions here.
54:14
SPEAKER_00: You can give a short answer or or or a quick one if you will.
54:17
SPEAKER_00: They're nothing you're you're not gonna be uh surprised by, but uh you ready enough for it?
54:23
SPEAKER_03: Yes, let's go.
54:25
SPEAKER_00: What is your favorite uh post-race meal?
54:28
SPEAKER_03: Oh um vegan bolognese, so spaghetti with loads of beans, vegan cheese, lentils, all the good stuff.
54:40
SPEAKER_00: A lot of carbs there in fiber.
54:43
SPEAKER_03: And protein, yeah.
54:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and protein, yep, the lentils.
54:47
SPEAKER_00: Uh okay.
54:49
SPEAKER_00: What's been your favorite race experience so far?
54:52
SPEAKER_03: Oh no, this isn't gonna be a quick answer.
54:56
SPEAKER_03: Um Cambridge half marathon 2024, I would say.
55:03
SPEAKER_00: Okay, 2024 Cambridge half marathon.
55:06
SPEAKER_03: Okay, yeah.
55:07
SPEAKER_03: I had a terrible time with it in 2025, so the 2024.
55:10
SPEAKER_00: Got it.
55:11
SPEAKER_00: Okay, the time, okay.
55:14
SPEAKER_00: What's a dream race you still want to run?
55:17
SPEAKER_03: It's got to be Boston.
55:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's got to be Boston.
55:21
SPEAKER_03: And I'll find out this month if I'm gonna if I'm gonna do it.
55:23
SPEAKER_00: So I'm cheering for you, and I have a feeling you're gonna get in.
55:27
SPEAKER_00: I have no say in this, but you have a very big buffer.
55:31
SPEAKER_00: If you don't get in with almost a 10-minute buffer, there's there's something wrong here.
55:35
SPEAKER_00: But I know they're getting bigger and bigger, so it's getting harder every year.
55:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's this is a side one that I didn't have planned, but uh uh is your goal to do all the world majors?
55:45
SPEAKER_03: It'll be a life goal, like a lifelong goal.
55:48
SPEAKER_03: It's not gonna be soon.
55:49
SPEAKER_03: I can't, like, I have a child, I don't have that kind of money to go to one.
55:53
SPEAKER_03: They're getting more expensive.
55:54
SPEAKER_03: I can't get in either, like, so it's going to be, but I would like to, but it will probably be over like a lifelong period, yeah.
56:01
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
56:02
SPEAKER_00: What's uh, and this may not be a short one, we joked about it before we started, but what's a tip you would say to other moms out there balancing running work uh to kind of make it work?
56:12
SPEAKER_03: Oh, I think that yeah, that is tricky because we're all in such different scenarios and situations.
56:18
SPEAKER_03: Um, I think I would first of all say, like, do not compare your situation or your journey with anybody else.
56:23
SPEAKER_03: I think that's really, really important.
56:25
SPEAKER_03: I think you become really, really down about yourself when you see other people doing more than you when you think you're in the same boat as them, but you think just because you've had a child at the same time, therefore you're in the same boat, but you're not.
56:37
SPEAKER_03: Um, so I'd say absolutely take out any comparison um with other parents, particularly mothers that are doing it.
56:45
SPEAKER_03: Um, that would be like a big tip of mine.
56:47
SPEAKER_03: And it would also be like, don't rush, running's going to be there.
56:52
SPEAKER_03: Um, and you've got to kind of make it work for you in a sustainable way.
56:56
SPEAKER_03: So if you're too exhausted, like don't do it, like it's not worth putting your health or your happiness at risk to do.
57:03
SPEAKER_03: Um, so take your time, don't rush, make sure that it's the right thing for you at the time.
57:08
SPEAKER_03: Um, but also I would say making use of your time when you do go for your runs is important.
57:16
SPEAKER_03: So rather than just thinking, I'm gonna go for like a gentle run every single time, maybe go for a shorter run but make it a little bit harder, just small things like that, those sorts of changes.
57:25
SPEAKER_03: Again, we're all in such different situations that it is difficult to give like an overall tip.
57:30
SPEAKER_03: But I would say your approach and your mentality towards it needs to be flexible and just make sure you don't compare to anybody else.
57:40
SPEAKER_00: Touching on that a little bit more on the running side.
57:43
SPEAKER_00: Um if you could share two, three, and I'm sure there's a million tips for this, but for a runner to have continued progress and success like you've been having, what would that be?
57:54
SPEAKER_03: Um I think going back to what I said about those like three key runs that can you do in a week.
58:03
SPEAKER_03: So, yeah, your tempo, your interval, your long run, if that's what your goal is, because not everybody has the same goals, do they?
58:08
SPEAKER_03: Um as well.
58:09
SPEAKER_03: But I think like being consistent is probably the best thing that you can do.
58:14
SPEAKER_03: Um, and also making sure that if you find something a bit sore, like a niggle or a small injury, like stop, stop doing stop doing that.
58:22
SPEAKER_03: Like I think making sure that you know when to stop and when to push is really important within a longer time frame of just being just as consistent as you can possibly be.
58:33
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
58:34
SPEAKER_00: Last one here.
58:35
SPEAKER_00: I'm curious.
58:35
SPEAKER_00: This one just popped up as I was saying though, because you mentioned headphones a few times.
58:40
SPEAKER_00: What tunes go on on the race or training?
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SPEAKER_03: I do actually have different playlists that is like 10k, 20 miles, marathon, 5k race.
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SPEAKER_03: So I have slightly different songs for different types of runs.
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SPEAKER_03: During training, I tend to listen to podcasts um because they're a really good way to just like switch off.
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SPEAKER_03: So I listen to a lot of podcasts during my training runs.
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SPEAKER_03: But if I'm doing like intervals, um I will have something like upbeat and fast on.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, so there are they're different songs through different playlists, but they're often obviously like very upbeat.
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SPEAKER_03: I tend to be more like rock orientated.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: There's quite a lot of Bruce Springsteen on my running playlists, um, as well as like Mumford and Sons, but also some like club stuff from the 90s, some of the stuff I like grew up with in the noughties.
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SPEAKER_03: It's a big mix, but it has to be upbeat.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, and a faster tempo for my faster runs, and then maybe some more chill one for like the 20 miles.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, so yeah, music is quite a big part of it, actually, for me.
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SPEAKER_03: I've realized saying that.
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SPEAKER_00: No, I can relate to some of the rock.
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SPEAKER_00: I do uh I I'm one of those crazy people who know headphones anymore, but when I do have to run on the treadmill, I I have to use headphones, which sometimes I do just because it's too hot or or we might get a snowstorm here.
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SPEAKER_00: It snows a lot here.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so then uh I'm more rock-based, but it's really more the speed workouts, um, that kind of stuff.
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SPEAKER_03: Distract from the pain as well, I think, with like speed workouts.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, it's interesting because for some of the league things I do with my club, you're not allowed to wear headphones.
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SPEAKER_03: So you end up like, Yeah, yeah, you can't wear them.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_03: Um, it's just the England athletic rules, which is you know, it's what it is.
1:00:24
SPEAKER_03: Um, but because I I wear the like um shocks headphones anyway, so I can hear the bone conducing ones, yeah.
1:00:30
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I use bone conducting ones anyway.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, that's quite tricky if you're doing like a really rough race and you normally rely on music and suddenly you can't is it's a difficult thing to change to.
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SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I really admire people that run without music, but uh I I need it.
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SPEAKER_00: It was uh it was an acquired thing, and then you get used to it, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: But well, Emily, I want to one thank you for sharing so much insight, you know, sharing everything about running and motherhood and PBs and and everything out there um in England.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh it's been enlightening to to hear you know the differences of this side of the world versus that side of the world.
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