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Facts Over Feelings · Shawna and LaLa: Life Beyond The Mic

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  Speaker 1: From the heart of the city, where the beat meets
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  Speaker 1: the rhythm of your day.
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  Speaker 2: It's Shawna M.
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  Speaker 3: What's up? You're listening to Shawna and Lalla. Check us
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  Speaker 3: out at Shorna and Lala dot com on all social
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  Speaker 3: media platforms at Shawna and Lala. You could follow me
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  Speaker 3: on Instagram at the Real Shawna May.
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  Speaker 4: Can check me out at Bella Underscore Lalla one two five.
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  Speaker 3: How disappointing was that storm this weekend?
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  Speaker 4: I know, I I didn't know whether to be happy
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  Speaker 4: or like, you know, because I don't want any more snow.
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  Speaker 4: But we don't need anymore No, yeah, we don't need it.
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  Speaker 4: But if you're going to talk about a blizzard and
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  Speaker 4: this what they were calling it, this crazy name.
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  Speaker 3: Like they were calling it. I heard they were calling
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  Speaker 3: it the Blizzard of six. Yeah, and they were saying
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  Speaker 3: that it's going to be similar to the Blizzard of
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  Speaker 3: ninety six. Now, I don't remember the Blizzard of ninety six.
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  Speaker 3: I was not here. I was in Disney World for that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked about that the last last now storm.
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  Speaker 4: You were saying that, did we Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't remember. But I don't need we don't
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  Speaker 3: need anymore. So now no, And this was just like
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  Speaker 3: a joke, you know, like we had plans and we
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  Speaker 3: canceled them. And then it's funny because my mom's friend
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  Speaker 3: was having a surprise fiftieth birthday party and she we
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  Speaker 3: had woken up and I said, are you sure the
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  Speaker 3: party is still on? I said, you know it's it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be storming, and she goes, no, that you
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  Speaker 3: know the party starts at twelve instead of what at one. Well,
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  Speaker 3: we get there and nobody was there.
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  Speaker 4: God, they forgot to tell you.
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  Speaker 3: They forgot to tell us the party was canceled. So
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  Speaker 3: we hung out. It was nice, you know, just to
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  Speaker 3: kind of like hang out and talk. But it was
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  Speaker 3: just it was so funny, like she kept saying, She's like,
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  Speaker 3: Shawna is never gonna come over again, Shawna is never
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  Speaker 3: going to come to a party again. Is never ever
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  Speaker 3: gonna come to my birthday party ever again. So the
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  Speaker 3: joke of the whole day was that there was there
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  Speaker 3: wasn't even birthday cake. There was no food right either,
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  Speaker 3: There was no food, no drugs, no nothing, because the
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  Speaker 3: party was canceled and the cake people called her boyfriend
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  Speaker 3: to come get the cake. Oh, my god, he forgot
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  Speaker 3: to call a cancel.
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  Speaker 4: That sucks because then if they do have are they
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  Speaker 4: planning another party?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so, I don't know. I mean maybe
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  Speaker 3: they are, because she said to me, well, she said,
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  Speaker 3: we'll have you over this week for cake when he
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  Speaker 3: goes and the cakes.
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  Speaker 4: They gotta make use of that cake. You know, cakes
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  Speaker 4: are expensive.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I asked, I said, you know, I keep
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  Speaker 3: hearing about this cake, like, where did you get it from?
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  Speaker 3: And they said it's a place in Peak Skill, which
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  Speaker 3: is like an hour from us, And they said it's
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  Speaker 3: it's her favorite place. And she's like, if you haven't
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  Speaker 3: been there, you have to go there. I am not
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  Speaker 3: a big cake person, but I think I need to
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  Speaker 3: try this cake. The storm they were saying was going
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  Speaker 3: to start.
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  Speaker 4: At one, yeah, and it really did.
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  Speaker 3: Start snowing around ten o'clock here.
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  Speaker 4: At night, right in the morning, Okay, but it.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't sticking, and it just it wasn't sticking. So the
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  Speaker 3: whole entire time that we were there, I was just
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  Speaker 3: checking my cameras.
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  Speaker 4: I know, whole entire time. It was not what was expected,
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  Speaker 4: but Long Island and the city got hit way worse
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  Speaker 4: than us.
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  Speaker 3: So they did. Yeah, Westchester got hit. They got two feet.
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  Speaker 3: My aunt's brother lives in Long Island and he got
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  Speaker 3: over thirty feet of snow thirty inches.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, not thirty feet. E'ven done. He's covered. He can't
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  Speaker 4: get out.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why I keep saying that forty feet
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  Speaker 3: thirty feet thirty thirty inches.
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  Speaker 4: Snow, that's snow would get in.
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  Speaker 3: I just I can't. I can't get over that they
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  Speaker 3: got over thirty inches. That's yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It has to do with like the coastline and all
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  Speaker 4: that too sometimes, but yeah, anyway, we're over it. Apparently
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  Speaker 4: this week we're gonna have a few more snow shadowed
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  Speaker 4: showers scattered through. And I'm just as as everyone we're
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  Speaker 4: waiting for the winter to be over because the seasonal
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  Speaker 4: depression is at all time high. Thank god I got
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  Speaker 4: away when I did, but I'm I'm starting because it
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  Speaker 4: gave me like a little bit of a break. But
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  Speaker 4: I feel bad for the people who haven't, Like you've
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  Speaker 4: gone anywhere warm, and you're just suffering from that lack
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  Speaker 4: of vitamin D and lack of the sunshine, And it
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  Speaker 4: really takes a toll on our mental health, it.
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  Speaker 3: Really does, And we were supposed to go away twice
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  Speaker 3: and due to my stomach issues, we have not gone away,
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  Speaker 3: so it is my fault kind of yeah, but I
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  Speaker 3: am looking for to going away in like March or
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  Speaker 3: April and just getting away, going to a beach and
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  Speaker 3: relaxing exactly. Yeah, I don't even care at this point.
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  Speaker 3: If it's the freaking Jersey sure.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, then you have to wait for the summer for that.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, because it's not gonna be warm March or April,
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  Speaker 4: well no, no, but yeah, you got to plan it.
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  Speaker 4: That's what your goal should be. I told you focus
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  Speaker 4: on getting healthy so you can go there.
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  Speaker 3: And I think I'm gonna make one of those vision boards.
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  Speaker 4: You should. It helps. I totally believe in manifestation and
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  Speaker 4: setting a goal and just picture it every day and
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  Speaker 4: it really makes a difference.
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  Speaker 3: Well, my screensaver is a beach.
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  Speaker 4: A beach. Yeah, stare at it and you got it? Like,
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  Speaker 4: all right, what's how do I make this happen? What
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  Speaker 4: is my goal to accomplish this? I gotta get healthy,
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  Speaker 4: I gotta do this. I gotta do that and write
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  Speaker 4: it out, manifest it, think about it and get it done.
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  Speaker 4: But how's your stomach been. Is it getting any better?
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  Speaker 4: You feel better?
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  Speaker 3: I feel a little bit better. I have good days
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  Speaker 3: and my bad days. Still swollen, still hurt. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: gagging anymore.
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  Speaker 4: That's good.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not throwing up. Yeah, so I am a little
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  Speaker 3: bit better. The doctor did call me last week, and
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  Speaker 3: he he didn't call me. His office called me and
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  Speaker 3: said that some of my tests came back abnormal and
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  Speaker 3: he wants to see me. So I said, okay, what
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  Speaker 3: do you have open or when does he want to
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  Speaker 3: see me? And the lady goes, he's booking in July
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  Speaker 3: right now.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 3: So I start laughing and I said, well, since he
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  Speaker 3: wants to see me, I said, I have an appointment
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  Speaker 3: at the end of March. I said, but do you
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  Speaker 3: think I can get in earlier. So she's like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: we'll have to send a message. So then two people
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  Speaker 3: called me and they're like, yeah, we can't fit you in.
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  Speaker 3: So the doctor wants to see me. My tests came
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  Speaker 3: back abnormal.
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  Speaker 4: But well you can come in July.
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  Speaker 3: But you could come in in July.
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  Speaker 4: By that time you'll be dead. I don't know, yeah, something.
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  Speaker 3: Something might you know, maybe I'll have a rupture I mean,
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  Speaker 3: who knows, Oh my gosh at that point. But I
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  Speaker 3: just I find it hilarious. Really, I find it ridiculous
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  Speaker 3: that this is our medical care.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just they're overwhelmed. There's not enough doctors, there's
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  Speaker 4: not enough hours in the day, there's too many people sick.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what it comes down to. Human society is
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  Speaker 4: just getting sicker and sicker and sicker. It's not good.
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  Speaker 3: I spoke to his assistant and I asked her, I said, well,
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  Speaker 3: can you see me? And she said I just saw you.
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  Speaker 3: I said, I know. I said, but the test is abnormal.
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  Speaker 3: Something is wrong. Yeah, And she's like, well, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what's wrong. She's like, you have to speak to him.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like pulling teeth.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: And then the best part is they put me on
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  Speaker 3: this new medication. It's called IBS Rella. It's supposed to
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  Speaker 3: be for IBS constipation, supposed to like it's like a
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  Speaker 3: clear all basically all in one pill. And so she,
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  Speaker 3: the assistant calls me and says, listen, your pharmacy doesn't
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  Speaker 3: sell it, so you have to go through the specialty
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  Speaker 3: pharmacy and they'll mail it to you. I said, okay.
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  Speaker 3: So I call the specialty pharmacy and they're like, well,
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  Speaker 3: we don't carry it, so we can't help you. You
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  Speaker 3: have to get it from your local pickup pharmacy, which
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  Speaker 3: is CVS. I call CVS. I'm like, well they told
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  Speaker 3: me that, you know that I had to go through you.
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  Speaker 3: And the girls like, we don't carry it. It's a
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  Speaker 3: new medication. We don't carry it. We can't help you.
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  Speaker 4: Eh, there you go.
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  Speaker 3: So I look on the specialty pharmacy app that they
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  Speaker 3: gave me and they do carry it. It's a nightmare,
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  Speaker 3: but they won't mail it to me. So how am
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  Speaker 3: I supposed to get this medication?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It's insane. So they're discussing with insurance and all that.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, you know what to do. I'm like, this
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  Speaker 3: is insane.
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  Speaker 4: It's never never easy. Nope, never easy. Speaking of pharmaceuticals.
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  Speaker 4: I got into another Internet fight. You know that I
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  Speaker 4: love doing that, right.
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  Speaker 3: You were always fighting with somebody. I know.
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  Speaker 4: I'm so bad. My husband yells at me, my sister
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  Speaker 4: yells at me, my friends yellly like stay off the internet.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, no, I it's not that I enjoy it.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to argue with anyone, but I just
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  Speaker 4: can't stand ignorance and like the facts. It's people doing
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  Speaker 4: feelings over facts. It should be facts over feelings, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And I got an argument about botox, and I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you guys know, I'm very into not putting crap in
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  Speaker 4: our bodies, obviously, and botox is something that is full
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  Speaker 4: of crap. It's a toxin. So I follow this influencer
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  Speaker 4: she's she's she's in her thirties, and she put up
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  Speaker 4: a video of her face and said, this is thirty one.
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  Speaker 4: No about botox, no filler, no surgeries. This is normal too.
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  Speaker 4: And I love that because I I turned, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I turn forty, and I have been just inundated. Everything
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  Speaker 4: I see online and everything I'm seeing from people I
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  Speaker 4: know is botox and fillers and botox and fillers and
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  Speaker 4: plastic surgeries. And it's been getting worse and worse and
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  Speaker 4: worse the more. It's just become so second nature that
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  Speaker 4: that is skincare nowadays. It's not hey, take care of
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  Speaker 4: your skin. It's not drink water and eat healthy. It's oh,
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  Speaker 4: get botox when you're in your twenties, as preventative measures
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  Speaker 4: prevent the signs of agent by getting botox in your twenties,
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  Speaker 4: and that discussed me. I'm not going to beat around
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  Speaker 4: the bush. It absolutely disgusts me so because we are
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  Speaker 4: telling these young, beautiful girls in their twenties that, hey,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, you need to change your face and
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  Speaker 4: you need to inject a neurotoxin into your skin so
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  Speaker 4: that you're you look beautiful and that you fit in.
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  Speaker 4: And I have a daughter and I don't want her
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  Speaker 4: to ever feel that way. And so anyway, the girl
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  Speaker 4: I put up so I wrote back to that influencer
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  Speaker 4: and I said, oh my god, I love seeing this.
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  Speaker 4: I love this. You look amazing. I'm forty and I
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  Speaker 4: feel the same as you. I said, you know, I've
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  Speaker 4: had I do some facials, but I've never and I
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  Speaker 4: will never inject a neurotoxin into my skin. And that
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  Speaker 4: I fear for the future of these ladies in their
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  Speaker 4: health and I feel and your doctor, Shana's doctor told
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  Speaker 4: me too. He agreed, there's going to be a ton
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  Speaker 4: of side effects and health related issues in the future
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  Speaker 4: for all these women who are constantly getting this neurotoxin
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  Speaker 4: injected into their skin. Monthly, weekly, whatever. I think it's
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  Speaker 4: monthly or every few months. And then the lip fillers
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  Speaker 4: are another thing. The fillers they're just fighting in emris
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  Speaker 4: in cat skins of the brain. I think it's MRI
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  Speaker 4: or cat skin that they're seeing the filler gravitate. If
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  Speaker 4: they have it in their cheeks or their lips, it's
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  Speaker 4: gravitating and they're finding it in the brain and other
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  Speaker 4: parts of the head.
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  Speaker 3: So I would not put it past that. I got
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  Speaker 3: botox for my migraines. Yes, it helped for a while.
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  Speaker 3: I think I got it done for like five or
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  Speaker 3: ten years, and it did work. But the more I
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  Speaker 3: got it, I had to get it every three months,
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  Speaker 3: and the longer that I went along with it, it
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  Speaker 3: didn't last as long. I had to get other things
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  Speaker 3: in between. And then I've just one day had a
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  Speaker 3: reaction to it.
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  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: I swallowed up like a chipmunk and like I couldn't
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  Speaker 3: feel my face.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you had their bad reaction.
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  Speaker 3: It was horrible, And my mom kept saying to me
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  Speaker 3: for months, your face is lopsided. Look at your face.
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  Speaker 3: It's lopsided. It's lopsided, and she'd say it's from that botox.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, my it's the back of my head. No,
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  Speaker 3: not realizing.
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  Speaker 4: That, you know, yeah, it's in your bloodstream, it's in
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  Speaker 4: your Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So now that I haven't done it, I've noticed I'm
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  Speaker 3: still swollen, my face is still puffy, but I have
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  Speaker 3: noticed the my face is a lot more symmetrical.
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  Speaker 4: That's good.
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  Speaker 3: So it must be like coming out of my system
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  Speaker 3: or something.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what botox is? Do you ever hear
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  Speaker 4: of botulism?
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I know that's what it is.
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  Speaker 4: But and what botulism does is it it's like Bell's palsy.
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  Speaker 4: It freeze it.
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  Speaker 2: People.
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  Speaker 4: Have they ever see their haze like dish like lopsided
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  Speaker 4: like you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, he told me that it could happen to me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And women are like, give it to me.
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  Speaker 5: What my skin?
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  Speaker 3: He said. If I give you too much, he said,
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  Speaker 3: your your face will be like, yes, like sagging, paralyzing.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, oh, my muscles will be loose, and
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  Speaker 3: he's like they'll be loose, all right, But he's like,
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  Speaker 3: you do not want that. He said, you'll have to
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  Speaker 3: wear a neck brace to hold your head up.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, I don't think so now.
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  Speaker 4: And I was at that point where her and I said,
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  Speaker 4: you give botox for migraines. The women who are doing
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  Speaker 4: this to themselves monthly or every few months, however it is,
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  Speaker 4: is this gonna be bad? He goes, Oh, it's gonna
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  Speaker 4: be horrible. It's gonna be There's gonna be so many
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  Speaker 4: health issues auto moon issues like fibromlasia stuff that they're
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  Speaker 4: not gonna say, oh, this is from the boatox. They're
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  Speaker 4: just not gonna know why it happened to them. And
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna see more and more of that and cancers.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm that So, I mean, I'm getting away from
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  Speaker 4: the original stories that I just wrote to the girl,
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  Speaker 4: like I'm worried for the future of these young girls
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  Speaker 4: and the health effects that many women are going to
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  Speaker 4: be experiencing from this constant filler in botox. That was it.
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  Speaker 4: And then this woman she wrote me and said, hey,
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  Speaker 4: why don't you mind your business and let people she
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  Speaker 4: use the F word, fin live their life And she
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  Speaker 4: did a yaw on emoji and I'm like, what what
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  Speaker 4: what did I say in there that made I was
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  Speaker 4: just being worried about people and saying I wish that
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  Speaker 4: they were you know that they're worried about their health,
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  Speaker 4: something's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you triggered her, I did, because she probably uses it.
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  Speaker 4: She does. She admitted that in another comment way too often. Yep,
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  Speaker 4: she said, I love my botox. Leave my botox alone,
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  Speaker 4: she wrote in a comment. Onto this girl's thing, and
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  Speaker 4: that's what happens. And this is where I talk about
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  Speaker 4: facts over feelings. Her feelings she got, but hurt she
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  Speaker 4: got in her brain. She feels guilty. She probably knows
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  Speaker 4: that it's not a good thing, but she doesn't want
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  Speaker 4: to feel judged. She doesn't want to feel like she's
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  Speaker 4: doing something wrong. So her reaction was to lash out
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  Speaker 4: at me when all I was doing was caring about
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  Speaker 4: people and voicing my own opinion and views, which is
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  Speaker 4: fine because that's what the internet's for.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, if you if you don't agree with them, yea,
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  Speaker 3: it is not okay that you voiced your opinion.
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  Speaker 4: No it's not, it's not. And then you could talk
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  Speaker 4: to me nasty. So I said, I didn't. I didn't
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  Speaker 4: stop anyone from doing anything with their life. I had
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  Speaker 4: my opinion. I go, I have the right to fear
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  Speaker 4: and worry about the future and the worry for my daughter.
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  Speaker 4: I have a daughter, you know, and I think it's
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  Speaker 4: just so commonplace right now now that these women there.
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  Speaker 4: I have friends who I love dearly who get it,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm not judging them, but they make me. I
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  Speaker 4: get self conscious in a way too sometimes, like I
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  Speaker 4: have I don't have wrinkles for forty I don't really
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  Speaker 4: have a lot of wrinkles. But if I scrunch up
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  Speaker 4: my forehead, you see all those lines, that's normal. I
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: know it's normal, but I didn't know that it's not
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: normal in today's age. Every time my friends are on
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: like talking on their stories or something, they'll say, oh,
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: don't look at my foreheadlines. I'm getting botox this week
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: so that they'll be smooth. And I'm like, wait, we're
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: not supposed to have foreheadlines, like when we talk, I'm
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: not talking about ones that are there when you're not
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: speaking or moving your face when I raise my eyebrows.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: They don't want that. So then I got I was
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: filming a video of me at my daughter and I
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: looked at my forehead and I'm like, oh my god,
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: I don't want to share this because look at all
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: my foreheadlines when I talk. And then I'm like, what
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: the hell's wrong with you, Lauren? You are letting them
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: get in your head. That's not I'm normal. My forehead
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: is normal, you know. Theirs is not. And that's fine.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: They can do that. The point of the story is like,
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: they're pushing this as normal that you cannot age. You don't.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: You shouldn't want to age, you shouldn't have expression lines
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: when you raise your eyebrows and talk, and that it
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: bothers me. We have little girls, and what are we doing?
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: But she I wrote back to her and said, I'm
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: not judging you. You could do what you want. I'm not
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: judging anyone. I'm just worried. And she said, well, botox.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: Botox has helped so many women, not just physically but mentally.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: It's a prescribed medication for a lot of condition and
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: it's better than the toxins that we consume every day.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: And I just I didn't write back to her, because
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: are you kidding me? You're gonna compare some toxins that
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: are in our food to a freaking botulism, a neurotoxin
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: being injected into your face for how many years? I
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: don't want to I don't want to hear it. So eh, anyway,
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: It's just that was my argument. It wasn't a horrible fight.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: I had to stop it because I knew there was
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: no winning with this girl. She got butt hurt, she
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: got offended, she got in her head about oh, this
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: woman is speaking facts. Everything I said was a fact,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: and she had to put her feelings into it. So like,
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: why do we do that? I was telling you right
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: about facts over feelings. Is like for me, I brought
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: up this breastfeeding versus formula thing. People. This is another
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: hot topic that I've gotten arguments about. Obviously, breast milk
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: is the best thing you can give your child, right,
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: but they say fed is best, which it is. You
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: want to feed your child formula or breast milk. You
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: want to make sure your child lives.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: But if you can't breastfeed, can't you go? You can
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: go to a milk thank Yeah, So why don't more
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: people do that? I think some women it's like harder.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: There's not a lot of resources for it, and some
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: woman might be weirded out, And I get it, and
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: that's fine. My argument is with the women who will
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: argue at me and say formula is just as good
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: as breast milk. And that's again feelings over facts. Where
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: I had my first child, I couldn't breastfeed. I breastfed
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: them a little bit, and I had to do formula.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: I never stood there and said because I was butt
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: hurt that I couldn't breastfeed. I never sit there and
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: said formula is better, formula is best. I was like, no,
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: I wish I could breastfeed, because breast milk is liquid gold,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: it's magic. It's the best thing you can give your child.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: But unfortunately I can't breastfeed, so I'm doing the second
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: best thing for my child and giving them formula. But
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: women can't do that. They get so butt hurt that
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: they will defend formula to the grave, you know, just
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: so that they don't get in their feelings and get offended.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: And that's what I hate. I hate that about not
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: just women, about society. We get to butt hurt that
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: we don't want to face the facts of things and
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: we have to get our emotions involved and make no
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: sense and just fight with people.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: So and formula is filled with sugar, so bad, corn syrup,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: corn syrup, corn yep, and they want to compare that
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: to breast milk, where i've my baby was sick and
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: by breastfed hurt.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Because my daughter was essentially breastfed, my body would produce
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: and stuff to help her feel better. It would be
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: like it would Oh she has I'm just gonna use
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: this as an example. Oh she has stripped throat. We
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: know how to fight that. Or if she has this virus,
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: we know how to fight Let's produce this. It's amazing.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: So babies, technically, if they're breastfed from birth, they don't
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: get sick.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: They do, they'll get they'll still get sick, but they
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: have they fight it off better. They can fight it
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: off better because my body is producing what they need.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: If my baby is low in something and I breastfeed
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: my body, my body will pick up. Oh they're low
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: on that. They need more of this, they need more
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: of that vitamin. Let's pull it from mom's body. Formula
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: can't do that, you know, So I that's I they
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: fed is always going to be best no matter what.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: I just don't hate them. When people get they want
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: to argue with me and say it's better than for
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: s milk, or it's just the same as like let's
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: just stick to facts here. I'm not judging you, but
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: don't speak crap just to make you feel better. And
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: that's all it is. You're making women feel? Are you
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: making people feel? I don't care, but let's not bring
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: feelings into this. Let's talk facts and I'll support you
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: no matter what you do. Take care of that baby.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: But that's the point of the same thing with botox.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: She's gonna fight that it's healthy for you and it's
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: better than eating a slice of ruad. So that was
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: my aggravation.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: I think you need to come up with a all
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: natural baby formula.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they have. I was looking because my friend she
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: had a baby, premature baby, and she reached out to me,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: knowing how passionate I am about what I put in
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: my body and my kid's body, and she said, Lah,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to formula feed my baby. Can you
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: find me the safest one out there? I know they're
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: not that great, can you find me? And I did
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: my research and there are a few that don't have
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: that corn syrup in it, and they don't have as
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: much sugars or bad sugars. Anyway, there's the goat breast formula.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Toe she has to formula feed him.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I am very.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Shocked because they the nick you push brust milk. She
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: pushed pumping.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she tried, but because the baby was born so
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: not so early, but early, she couldn't produce for some reason.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: She had a lot of trouble. She was trying to
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: pump even to get I told her, if you can
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: even get the colostrum, which is that first milk that
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: comes out, that's like really really good for them. It
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: helps with their their gut biome. I was like, if
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: you can even get that, she said she got a
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: little bit, So I was like, don't worry, don't beat
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: yourself up. It's hard. It is hard, and I feel
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: for women. I had so I struggled so much. It's hard.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Can she go to a bank.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: At this point? I don't think she is going to
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: because now that he's what two months or a month,
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: I can't remember a month old. Right now, he's doing
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: well in the formula, and you know, that's fine, and
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: she's not stressed, because sometimes it's a mental thing. Women
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: get stressed having to worry about breastfeeding and make it work.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: And it's a lot. It's like a third full time
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: job when you're breastfeeding. I miss it. I miss bonding
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: with my baby, but I don't miss the the stress
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: of Like I hated pumping, like i'd rest. You told me,
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: I just would whip it out wherever we were, you know,
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: like I didn't. That didn't bother me. But the pumping,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, I feel bad.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Every time I would turn around, You're like you had
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: her on it again. You're like a cow at this point.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: I know, I know it was. It was an experience
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: with Julina, like I did it for two years? Was
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: it almost two years? I don't think I made it
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: to the full two year mark.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: But but she never took a bottle until two years old.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, closer closest to two I think she was. Yeah,
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: I wish she did take a bottle because it was
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: I couldn't have anyone babysitter. She would not take the bottle,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: and we tried that in the beginning with her. She
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: took it for a little bit, but then she just
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: wanted the boob.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: But I wonder what it is like why all of
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: a sudden she took a bottle.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: I I just kept for I wouldn't give her. I
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: wouldn't give her the boob. I just kept saying, nope,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: but you're hungry, like you'd get in the bottle. And
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: she she ended up. It took like a two days,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: you know, I don't know not it was like a
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: day and a half. And then she finally took the bottle.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: And then she was obsessed.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Then she was obsessed at the bottle. Yeah, that was
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: the problem. She did that for a long time. We
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: just got her off of it, unfortunately, but it was
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: a comfort thing for her. So she was just she's
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: my comfort baby, my last baby, and that's what she wants.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: She wants comfort. She still sleeps with me. She's four
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: years old. She's still in bed with me, and I
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: wouldn't change it for the world. I love it. Even
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: my husband loves it. She just snuggles with us. We
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: know one day we're gonna miss it. We're gonna miss it,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: and she's not gonna be in our bed forever. She's
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: not gonna be in our bed when she's a teenager
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: or you know. So I'll soak it in. I'll soak
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: my last baby and all I want, you know, speaking.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: About organic alternatives, we're going to jump into an interview
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: that we did at the What She Said event down
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: in Hoboken, New Jersey. We are interviewing Cindy Yates and
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: she is the CEO of Piper Blue Organics and the
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: founder Jamie Jensen. She was great too. We her she
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: believes in everything organic.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she struggled with tons of health issues. She had
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: chronic kidney disease, and she realized, you know your kidney's
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: you shouldn't be having anything toxic with that. So she
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: wanted to eliminate toxins from her life and that's what
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: led her to create this organic and pure makeup has
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: it has no nothing bad in it, not even one
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: little tiny drop of toxins in it. So that's why
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: I'm so excited that they're sending us a box of
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: their makeup soon, and I am just so excited to
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: review it and use it on my own skin. I've
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: been using the face glass every single day, twice a day,
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: and it has been amazing my forehead. I put it
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: all over my forehead and I've noticed such a difference
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: there and under my eyes, so I'm happy. I use
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: it on my lips, yeah, for the dry lips.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Yes. And this winter is just killing me.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: I know that the air is dry, everything just dehydrated.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: So we're here today with Cindy Yates with Piper Blue Cosmetics,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: and these are just they're more than make up. We
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: just sat in listening to you and talking about it
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: and it's truly amazing. Shana will tell you, I'm very
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: into organic. I'm very aware of toxic stuff. And people
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: think you're crazy, you know, and it's kind of it
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: kind of sucks that it has to be that way,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: but we love that you try to empower women to
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: feel confident while knowing exactly what they're putting on their skins.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: So can you share the story behind how Piper Blue
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: was founded and what inspired the mission.
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so, my business partner, Jamie Jennison, she was very
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: sick with stage four kidney disease and she found she
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: was just inspired, but she just she was she didn't
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: want to go the regular route, right, and so she
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: literally started to heal herself by getting rid of all
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: the toxics. But she was a young mom, I mean,
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: you know, kind of relatively you Mary, and she's like,
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: I want to makeup again because she had taken all
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: the makeup everything out and so she went. She literally
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: went down in her basement and she started to cornulate
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: a product literally like her basement. That's amazing, and it
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: took her thousands and thousands of tries, and then when
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: she came up with this makeup, it was it was
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: a slam dun.
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: It was amazing.
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: And then she and I met through the Joy Project
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: for Women, which is one of my foundations and mainly
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: what it really is, it's just about helping women overcome
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: their struggles and finding joy through their struggles.
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: And I actually created.
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: It because of my little boy, Billy, who had Down
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: syndromes and he was just the light of my life,
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: right but then he passed when he was six, and
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: I know, so I kind of I lost my joy.
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: But when I found my joy was because I was
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: serving others, and that's really how the Joy.
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: Project came about. It's beautiful.
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: And Jamie and I found each other because we were
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: working with a group of women that were under major
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: key therapy and just cancer like just if. They just
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: weren't pretty and they didn't like it, and they were
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: always telling me, you know, I just don't feel pretty.
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: And so what we did is we found I found
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: the product Janie's product that was off hundred percent fuere.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: It was safe enough for chemotherapy. But then I also
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: found that it's actually relevant. I mean it's beautiful. I
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: mean it makes some organic you know products aren't great. Yeah,
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: they don't work, and that's the problem, right, but this
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: really does. And so that's why we're here at fashion
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: Week because we literally are showing people that you can
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: use an organic product with one hundred percent fewer and
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: get that beauty like that you want. Right, we need
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: to do your face, by the way, I would love something, right,
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: you would love it, and you.
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: Need to try it too, because you would just you
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: would just love it.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Yes, I mean I just turned forty and I'm not
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: feeling young anymore.
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: Well away it is twenty, right, if sixties?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: And right?
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: You look amazing.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: When I heard your age up there, I was like,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: she's lying, lying, you're lying.
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: What godless?
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: What makes Piper Blues products different from traditional I mean
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: you kind of went into that though, so like it's
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: I guess different from the traditional organic.
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: Yes, that's a really good question. So Jamie is a
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: master formula Okay, so she is. She formulates all of
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: our products. That's very different in the beauty industry because
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: most most companies send their products out to a manufacturing plan, right,
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: we do it all within within our own manufacturing plans,
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: and so that's the first thing that's different. The other
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: thing is different is that because of Jamie's background, she
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: knows we can't put any talks with it means zero
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: talxic like zero. So we just work really hard to
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: buy the ingredients all over the world and we just
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: have things like Cockadoo, plum, camel, camlu cami, which is
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: the highest level of its see and just lots of
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: really awesome products that just you don't find any the
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: other you know. So the fact that's it's the reason
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: why it's different is because it's just really.
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: Truly clean and you know, and we can we can
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: use it in the fashional history.
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: But but really being able to take our product and
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: make it ourselves and know everything that goes and know
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: that it's not one hundred percent pure, there's no company about.
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: The scary thing is I'm finding that a lot of
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: these organic companies they're really they're skimping, they're cutting corners,
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: they're lying, and it's really you get I feel overwhelmed
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: as a woman, as a mother, as a woman, and
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: it's just how do you know what's true anymore? And
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: I love hearing that that you guys are very strict
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: about that.
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we're really wanting to get the word out, and
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: we're also.
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: Even wanting to help other companies.
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: I've got on on on lives and many different interviews
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: and said, look, you guys and there, if you're a
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: product and you know you're not one hundred percent clean,
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: but we want to come to us, we'll teach you.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: We don't.
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: We don't.
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: We don't care about how we care about cleanliness and
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: making sure we're really taking care of We really do
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: feel that's beautiful.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: A lot of companies wouldn't do that, to just share
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: the knowledge to help make a better world, healthier, a
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: healthier world.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: Because women are literally, really really getting sick. They are
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: getting sick. It's really terrible what they put in products.
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: I know, it really is. I mean it's when you
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: went to see I didn't know that all this stuff.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: I didn't know the stuff telling that. She starts telling
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: me things. I'm like, stop telling me. It's too scario,
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: it's poop and the brownie.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: I'm using that story for my kids.
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: I'm using that for my son. Like, sorry, I don't
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: know where that came from.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: I love because it's real, it's wrong, and I love
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: that about you.
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: You everything about you is authentic.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: And that's why I would be able to trust your
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: brand because of that.
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: You know what I mean that I mean, I don't
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: know how to be any other way. That's good. That's good.
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: Not a lot of people are like that. Yeah, I
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: know that's true.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: So what's your favorite Piper Blue products?
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: Okay?
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: We have this brand new product, so Jamie and I
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: have been using it now for like four months, five months,
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: k and it was sort of an accident, and it
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: has all of our seven patents on it, okay, and
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: so there it's just it's it's the way that it's
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: it's way that the products are extracted. So there's seven
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: patents on the extraction process, okay. And these are these
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: are the products that was saying, like a Caama camo
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: and Chappie plumb and aga you know, a go ahey
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: I think because you say it, and algae. There's just
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: some really amazing products in this right, So we put
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: it into this cream or it's not even a cream, but.
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: It's like an oints and it just makes your skin
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: look blast. Really.
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: I guess that's why we called it face glass because
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: it literally makes me it looks blessing.
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: You know, when people call to you, they're like, na,
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: is that just wing? You're like, yeah, it's actually my skin.
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: So is that here? Now we're going to go.
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: I'll give you some person you can tell you if
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: you take a shout out, yeah, of course I listen.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: We're always trying to find good companies, organic companies, and
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: I'm so glad I have.
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: No prowm shouting you out every single day. I think
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: what you guys do well.
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: When I heard about you know, it's about overcoming obstacles, right,
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: overcoming struggles and you know, whether it's mental, whether it's physical,
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: whether it's a child blow, throw in the tankrum, like,
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: these are obstacles, right, And.
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: I when I heard your story when I registered, I'm like,
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: I have to be their.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: Friends, right, I mean your message is one of the
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: most important messages. It really is, because we all struggle.
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: But why do we try to cover our struggle?
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: Why do we do that? Because that struggle is what
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: makes us the strongest I mean you know we all
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: know that. Yes, so I when I yeah, when I
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: got your email, I'm like, I want to be their friend.
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: Yes, this is who we are. Hopefully we can stay. Yeah,
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: we will. So I've got your information.
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: So I'm going to send you an email and send
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: me your address and I'll send you, guys some some
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: fun to be great.
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: And I want to go to the booth then, yeah,
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: come and get some some free face glass. Yes, it
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: would be great.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Sindy, my pleasure. It's been amazing.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Where can our viewers and listeners find the products? You
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: have an Instagram, Facebook website?
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: Well, it's yeah, they can go to our website, right,
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: and it's just it's quite for Blue organic makeup or
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: actually it's just quite for blue makeup. And you can
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: go into the website and and order whatever you want.
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: You can get some samples.
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: And but really, the face glass, you guys, really, I mean,
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: I see my beautiful Jamie. I look at her face.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: I mean she's just because there is Seriously, I need
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: you to know this. I'm gonna get emotional, but she's
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: just so real all the way through, like she shines.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: It's because of her it's because of her heart, you know.
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: So it really the same way. Thank you, the same
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: We kind of match each other. She's much younger than me, but.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: We are younger. Thank you so much for meeting with us.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: You've been an amazing interview, and we're gonna go up
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: to her booth. Yeah, let's take some footage, okay, and
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: we're gonna happ into another interview right now with doctor
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Kara Wata. She is a BORED certified allergist, immunologists, lifestyle
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: and functional medicine physician, and we had such a great
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: conversation with her. We learned a lot and hopefully can
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: continue to learn a lot from her.
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: Today on the show, we have doctor Kara Wata, who
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: is a board certified physician specializing in adult and pediatric
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: allergy and immunology as well as a lifestyle and functional
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: medicine doctor.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: She focuses on helping patients with complex immune system challenges
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: like us, like allergies, autoimmune conditions, asthma, mass cell disorders,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: immune deficiency, chronic inflammation, and more, blending conventional medicine science
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: with holistic, personalized care, which is what we all need
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: these days.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah. She's also the founder of the Immune Confidence Institute,
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: and she hosts the Becoming Immune Confident podcast, So she
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: has a podcast like us, And yeah, that's awesome.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: And so what inspired you to become a physician and
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: specialize in allergy and immunology and everything else.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as I can remember back, you know,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: three four years old, when those first memories come, you know,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: come up. I remember getting that Fisher Price doctor kit
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: like that Christmas, and I idolized my pediatrician. The pediatrician
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: that I saw was the same pediatrician my mom and
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: all my aunts and uncle saw, and he also happened
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: to be a professor at the local medical school, so
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: got to meet med students and so.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: From an early age, although gosh, no one in my family.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Prior to this generation had been in healthcare, there just
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: was this interest in science and helping people.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: And frankly, it's one of the one.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Of those professions like teaching and other professions that you
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: get to learn about and.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Know about as a kiddo.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: That immunology piece came later, and really came with like
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: little breadcrumbs that I look back and go, oh, I
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: now put this together sooner.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I didn't decide on that until kind.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Of late in the game. I was in my third
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: year of residency. It just started my third year, and
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: residency is this time after after medical school where you
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: essentially are.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Getting some more on the job experience.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: And so my residency was in taking care of both
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: kids a pediatric's part and adults.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: And when I knew, I liked was taking care of
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: folks kind of across the age spectrum.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: But I finally had a chance to spend time without
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: patient docs that are practicing allergy immunology, and gosh, within
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: a week, I was like, oh, this like heaviness on
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: my shoulders like lifted, and I realized I had found
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: my people. Then when I looked back, you know, and
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: thought about, okay, what were my favorite classes in undergrad
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: my favorite class was learning about the immune system selves.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: It was kind of an offshoot of my biochemistry major, and.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: A lot of the work.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Was detective work, so you got to kind of play
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Sherlock homes and kind of think through, Okay, how were
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: all these symptoms coming together? And so that's, you know,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: when I finally made that decision and signed up for
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: the extra two years of training, and.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: That was, oh gosh, over over ten.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Years ago now, and it's hard to believe how how
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: quick it goes.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Oh don what right?
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: I know?
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Ten years is like nothing right now. I'm like, I
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: just had this conversation with my husband. It's just crazy.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: My son he turned twelve, and I said, how how
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: was this? How this happens so fast? It's just really scary.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I had my first my second year of fellowship and
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: she just turned ten, and so yeah, I hadn't thought
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: of it in that context, but.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, right, So how do you blend conventional medicine with
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: functional medicine because a lot of doctors do not like
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: when you go the functional route. I know my doctors
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: are you know they they just want to prescribe medication.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: And kind of roll their eyes at anything other than
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: you know, farm pharmaceuticals.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's it's really challenging.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: And one thing that is really tough in how our
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: systems are set up now is most docs who are
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: practicing in a traditional insurance based system are the system
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: is almost forcing their hand and seeing more patients in
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: less time, and patients that are sicker are an't able
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: to get in as frequently as they need to write
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: like and so I think there is a lot that
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: plays into like, you know, how it can become a pattern.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: You know that I hear and I see from all
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: my patients of like, gosh, I just didn't feel listened
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: to or we wanted to kind of get this quick
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: answer and get folks out the door. And I think
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: in reality a lot of docs are in survival mode most.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Of their day. And that's not to like excuse.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Poor behavior, but maybe to provide some context of like
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: what's contributing to things. Yeah, I think my switch and
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: kind of my evolution. I've always had some interest in
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: those old you know, the things that mom would recommend,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: like chicken soup and what's the science behind that, and like,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: you know, some of these more holistic traditional stuff, to
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: the point where my yeah, my fellowship project, like my
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: my graduation project was looking at like what is the
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: signs behind yoga in asthma, you know, in these different
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: kind of an overview of all that. But really that
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: big push came when I was diagnosed with an autoimmune
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: condition gosh in twenty nineteen. And that condition is called
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Chogrin's disease, which if you see it spelled out, it
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: looks like a chair from Ikia.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: It's sjo g r e en and gosh.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: One thing that really struck me was what I learned
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: to pass the test about chogrins, and then what I
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: learned more from fellow patients. There were similarities, but there
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: was a whole lot more I learned from fellow patients.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: And it also very quickly learned that gosh, from a
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: treatment standpoint, we don't have anything there to this day
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: when we're recording this in February of twenty twenty six,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: there's no FDA approved treatment for that disease. And so
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I knew enough to be kind of dangerous in that
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I wanted to do something I wanted. I wasn't just
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: gonna sit there and just let, you know, let the
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: inflammation continued to like wreck my life. And so that's
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: when I got really interested in, Okay, how can we
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: use lifestyleist medicine, what's the science behind? Why why are
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: we seeing these increased rates of autoimmunity. I was diagnosed
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: with that condition within two weeks of my infant. My
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: second kiddo had an anaphylactic reaction to egg and we
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: had no family history of food allergy, and that just
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: seemed like really weird coincidence, and so it was really that,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: you know, that personal professional poll that kind of really.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Pushed me to learn more about.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: What else we can do and understanding with more granularity
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: what exactly is going wrong.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: They thought I had that I was having I always
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: forget the name of this gland. Oh the product, yeah,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: I guess so yeah, and it yes, and it swelled
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: up like a rock and it hurts so bad, and
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: I didn't know what was going on. So I went
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: to the emergency room. They had no idea what was
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: going on. They gave me a face X ray and
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: they're like, oh, we don't see anything, there's no infection.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: You might have to go for a cat scan. And
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: it took I went into a local moms group because
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: all the doctor's the emergency room had no idea. I
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: went to locals mom's group. I wrote my symptoms and
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: everyone said, it's that gland and you might have that issue.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: I mean I didn't, thank God, but that's the first
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: time I heard it was the the E and T
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: test tom me for that and he's like, no, you
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: don't have it, because I kept having the issue. But
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: it was just that it was blocked and I have
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: swollen my last whatever imaging showed that I've inflamed lymph
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: nodes or swollen or something like that in there. So
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on, but it hasn't swelled
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: up like that in a while.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: But yeah, thinking back, like you know, I gosh, I
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: got my diagnosis when I was in my early mid thirties,
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: I kind of lost well, yeah, I guess I feel
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: trying to do the mental math.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: That we're here, and you know, looking back, I had
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: had an episode of for me, it was the gland
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: under my.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Chin that salvery gland got that had a little stone
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: in there, and it was the summer before I went
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: to med school, so that would have been twenty two
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: at the time. And it's really fascinating to kind of
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: look back at like, oh, bread crumb here, bread crumb
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: here along the way. And it's hard when you're in
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: the day to day to sometimes step back and look
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: at all the pieces together. And I think that's really
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: hard for docs to do, especially in these short visits.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: You know, if you only have five or seven minutes
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: with your doc, how are they you know, how are
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: they going to put all those different pieces together?
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know, I get it. What are the
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: most common misconceptions that pations have about their immune system health?
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: And how do you help them, like give them clarity
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: and confidence with you know, going to you or.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: I think one of the common questions I get asked
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: is how can I boost my immune system? And I
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: like to say, well, maybe we can ask it how
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: can we balance it? Because for most of us, our
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: immune system is actually a little overactive in different ways.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: When we think of allergy, our body is overreacting to
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: stuff in our environment like pollen or peanuts or you know,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: a skin lotion that it shouldn't write.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: And then in the.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Case of autoimmunity, our body has made an inappropriate response,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: an attack response to our own parts and pieces, which
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: isn't supposed to happen. And so so you know, rather
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: than boosting, we want to work towards balancing, and balancing
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: is actually going to help us. Also as we think
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: about you know, not getting sick as often or not,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: you know, not getting sick and god just feeling like that.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Cold or flu like lingers forever.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I love going back to the there's pillars of lifestyle medicine,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: and you know these are the things that gosh like,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: most of us would love to spend more time talking
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: with patients about and don't always get a chance to.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: But you know, sleep, nutrition, getting movement and movement is medicine,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: and especially for women, having some focus at least a
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: little bit on some sort of strength training. Don't have
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: to be a gim bro, but some sort of strength
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: training to help with our muscle mass, because we do
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: start to lose muscle mass as we age, and that
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: increases as we go through that perimenopausal transition. But that
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: metabolism piece plays right into chronic inflammation, and so if
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: you have chronic inflammation, it becomes harder for the body
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: to create energy efficiently. That's why we often feel real
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: fatigued and just like well all the time. And also
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: if our metabolism is not doing great, uh, that also
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: can feed inflammation. The other piece that plays into that's
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: our microbiome. So here all the time about you know,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: our gut microbiome, but that microbiome, we also have one
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: on our skin, we have one in our airway, and
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: so thinking about ways to help, you know, help feed
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: the good gut, the good bugs in general, help help
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: minimize things that we're you know that we're exposed to
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: that might damage damage the microbiome.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: That can be helpful too.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: So some you know, what does that mean, So we
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: think about our airway, having clean air is really important,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: and uh, if you're if you're someone who's allergic to pollen,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: then renting off at the end of the day can
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: be helpful. Keeping your windows closed, you know, kind of
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: special during those high pollen times can be helpful. And
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: then using like a help of filter at home can
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: be helpful if you have indoor allergies. But it also
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: is like avoiding candles, avoiding plug ins, you know, kind
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: of thinking of those other things that are going to.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Smell nice, but.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: They have disruptors.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: When we think about you know, the food we eat, gosh,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I try my best to steer away from, you know,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: some of the there's a lot of diet culture that
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: has found its way into wellness. You know, it's kind
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: of gift packaged a little differently. So I love to
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: take the approach of what can we add a little
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: more than what can we subtract. You know, ideally we're
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: steering away from ultra processed foods.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: And the best way to describe those.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Are foods that, like, gosh, would be really hard to
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: recreate these in the kitchen if we tried, Like it'd
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: be really hard to make.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: A twigt bar, yeah or something like that. There are
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: some good recipes out there, but yeah, but or a cheetah.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Right, many of those foods have ingredients in them that
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: essentially chip away at the protective mucus lining in our gut.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: And if you lose that protective mucus lining, then that
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: can lend itself towards damaging the natural gut lining.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: So adding things in that.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: You know, a variety of colors, trying to get slowly
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: increase fiber.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do that too quickly because otherwise
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: that can be very uncomfortable.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: But slowly adding fiber in and then gosh, I know.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: One thing I've struggled with are you know, the screens
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: and you know, pointing to my phone for those maybe listening,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: but trying to set some good ground rules around sleep
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: with with trying to shut off the screens before bed one.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I'm not perfect.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I do use my kindle and at least second set
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: to a warm setting, I can turn down the brightness
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: and for me that kind of strikes this balance of
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: like I'm not on my phone, returning off the TV.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of winding down. But I also have a
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: seven year old who still lives in my room, and
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: so I.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Can't keep the light on to read a book.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I know, you know, it's trying to incorporate these things
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: that really, you know, are helpful and we know that
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: there's so much science behind them, but make them fit
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: our actual lives.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: It's yeah, finding that balance. We we were talking about
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: that on a few shows. That you have to make
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: it work for you because if you aim too high,
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: then you're going to fail. So finding something that works,
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: it's a balance. It's gonna slowly, you know, and then
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: you could change it, get a little harder, a little
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: harder to take away more. And I fully believe that.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of psychology behind that too. When
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: we think about building our resilience. If you're able to
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: keep showing up for yourself and prove, you know, you're
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: kind of proving to yourself you can do it, there's
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of benefits psychologically to doing that.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: As opposed you know, I want folks.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: To dream big, dream about feeling you know, back to
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: your one hundred percent self and also celebrate those little
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: tiny winds on your way to that destination.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: It's so important. You know, we don't give ourselves enough credit.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: No, our brains are programmed to be negative.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: I mean makes sense to survive that, you know, lion
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: on the planes, you know, and our ancestors are there.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: But also we are our toughest critic and so.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Self compassion comes into my conversations with patients and folks
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: and marking with all the time.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: So as someone who deals with IBS, chronic inflammation and anxiety, Yeah,
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: how do I know if my immune system is overreacting
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: versus responding normally?
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think listening to your body is first
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: and foremost right, and I would be curious to It's
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: not uncommon for me to hear from patients that they
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: notice that their their mood and their stomach symptoms go together,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: like will sometimes flare together. So, and I don't know
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: how much you you know, kind of want to share
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: on here, but that's a theme that I often will hear.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: There's this really powerful entity of the gut brain connection.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: And when I think about the gut and the brain,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: the immune system comes you know, right in there, and
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: it's not.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Even a third, it's like right in the same triangle
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: of you know, kind of communication.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: When we think about what's happening in IBS, there's there's
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: a lot going on.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: We've learned a lot.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: We've learned that a good portion of folks with IBS
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: it actually starts from an automm and type response after
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: food poisoning, and that can then make some changes in
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: how food moves through the trapsomotility or how things move through.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: And when there's changes in motility, you often will see
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: some changes in the microbiome. Sometimes when it gets really bad,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: we'll label it something called CIBO or small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: But not everywhere. It's a spectrum, right, So like that's
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: kind of.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: One extreme, but there are other, you know, more typical
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: IBS player that might kind of.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Be more of the day to day.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: And along with changes in the microbiome, you almost always
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: will see changes in permeability, so that leakiness of the gut,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: you know that we hear a lot about those two
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: things tend to go hand in hand, and when that
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: layer is more leaky, your immune system is going to
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: start seeing more things then it tips wood. It's going
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: to be seeing parts and pieces of food and you know,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: microbes that it typically wouldn't see, and often that will
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: fuel an inflammatory response, which.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Keeps the lining leaky. And it's this whole like uh.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so often when I'm talking with folks about
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: are like, where can we kind of like make some
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: headway on each of these different little aspects to the
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: call it the perfect storm, But where can we you know,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: take away some things that are contributing to the leakiness.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Where can we start just gently adding in things that
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: are going to help repair the barrier? How can we
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: support the healthy microbes. There's a great framework and functional medicine.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: It's remove what's a problem, replace what's missing, reinoculate, so
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: kind of help feed the healthy bugs, repair the lining,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: and then rebalance, which is where that gut brain connection
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: comes in. And there's actually some really great data on
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: use of mindfulness, but also a.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Gut directed hypno therapy for helping symptoms too.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah. For Shauna, I had Crohn's disease or well they
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: thought it was also reclinitest when I was little, and
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: I now that I'm older, I realized that my brain
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: and my gut were connected in a way of stress
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: and anxiety. I would stress out because I was worried
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: about my having an accident, let's say, oh my god,
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: and I would give myself the accident because my brain
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: I was stressing so much. And Shauna right now she's
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: having symptoms of I feel like it's an anxiety thing where.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's definitely anxiety.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: We go, we have to go on a long trip.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: She's immediately getting sick in that morning of the day
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: of because and then having diarrhea and then getting you know,
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, this is anxiety. Yes, you have IBS,
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: but I think your anxiety is triggering the gut to
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: act up, you know what I mean. And I feel
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: like that's like a big connection.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: Also, don't eat the day before because I know, all right,
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: I'm going on a two hour car ride.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I gotta.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: You don't wanna you want to empty the tank so
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: to speak.
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't want to be sick.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: And then once I get to the event, I'll eat
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: a little bit, but then I'll stop because I have
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: the two.
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: Hour ride home and it's horrible.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: Once I get home, I'll eat like it's it's really bad.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: It's hard, and it's hard to break that cycle. I
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: see a lot of folks with a particular kind of
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: family of conditions called mass cell disorders, which are like
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: allergy cells that have gone rogue, and those cells communicate
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: a lot with our nervous system. Many of them are
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: actually touching some of the sensory nerves. But you can
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: imagine if in both of these structures, a lot of
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: them are in the gut, they're found in our skin,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: in our airway too. But if those structures are those
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: parts of our body that are supposed to help us
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: know if we're safe or not safe in our environment,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: they get input to say we're not safe. That feeds
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: fear right and hypervigilance and kind of being like, oh,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: we got to be out there ready.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: And so it makes sense that, like you know, from.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: A evolution standpoint that if you know you had a
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: bad run in with a particular food or a situation,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: that that would prime us to be more worried about
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: it moving forward. You know, so your buddy eats some
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: bad berries and you know they have a bad outcome.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: You're not going to go eating berries.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: From that bush.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: No, No, no, and.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: So that's hard to break out of, right, And that's
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: where kind of part of that whole immune confident kind
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: of plan, where it's like comes from, is it really
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: does take some almost an act of rebelliousness sometimes to like,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: you know, get to that point where like, Okay, we're
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: going to take this baby step, but we're going to
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: try it, and we're gonna, you know, no matter what happens,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: we have our own back and.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Try to take those next best steps forward.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's very hard, it is.
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: Did you talk about the immune confident approach or.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: Not so much?
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: So often we'll use I have developed this framework called
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: the Immune Confident Framework, which is really to recognize what's
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: going on.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: And I think that can be from symptom tracking to
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: just having like an more open dialogue with yourself.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: I know, for me, gosh, I was in survival mode
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: for so long that it took a while I was
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: gonna say, I mean it was more than a minute
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: just to kind of really take stock of all all
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: that I've been through this, you know, the symptoms I
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: was dealing with. The second is to reclaim to really
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: kind of you know, like, gosh, I am going to
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: take some ownership in how I respond to, you know,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: circumstances that frankly may really excuse mellionis suck, you know,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: and and and switch that frame to being you know,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: in control. And then the third is rebel, so pushing back,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: pushing back against our own limiting beliefs, gosh, pushing back
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: against a medical system that was not all built for
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: complex chronic conditions, where I would say even for women
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: in general. And then to rise and to you know,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: find this place where, you know, eventually find a bit
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: of a balance between Okay, what I'm doing, what I
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: can do, accepting what I can't, where you know, being
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: happy with where things are in the here and now,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: and also still wanting for more and better and and
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: system change.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: And all of that.
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: It's a process. It's a big lifestyle changes. And I
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: think that's the hardest for people is to kind of
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: change what they're we were saying, what they're used to.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: They're they're daily things and you have to push through
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: if you want to get better. Some people don't want
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: to put the work in. They just want a magic
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: pill from a doctor, a magic Oh it's gonna but
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: you got to put the work in.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: I looked for it. It's not out there.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, looked for that.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Too, and frankly, my my search for it, I ended
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: up with a pretty severe.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Liver injury with a super food that was not so
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: super for my liver.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: But no, and I think it's being patient with the
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: fact that when you you do have to keep showing up,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: you do have to keep putting in the time and
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: the effort. But when you do those, those games do
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: gather momentum over time. And gosh, as I look back
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: where I am now as compared to you know, shortly
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: after I was diagnosed, when that whole liver debacle, that
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: was probably the major low point, I'm a I'm a
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: totally different person.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Inside and out.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: Brankly, yeah, it takes a toll on you and it
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: changes you in different ways.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: So if our listeners want to work with you, how
• 1:01:10
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• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: The best place to find me.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: So my website is doctor k a r a Wata
• 1:01:17
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• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Our podcast is pretty much switched all the way over
• 1:01:23
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• 1:01:26
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• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: I am immune confident MD awesome.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Doctor Kara Wata for coming on
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: the show today. We learned a lot.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we'd probably talk for hours on this though. Yeah,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: you know I can't.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: I have to like hold, I have to throttle myself
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: because I definitely know it out. But thank you so
• 1:01:50
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• 1:01:53
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• 1:01:54
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