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The #1 Test Every Woman Needs if You've Ever Dieted with HTMA Expert Rachel Mahalow RD/N · Nourished Fertility

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And now we're gonna talk about our incredible guest expert and actually our
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HTM a, our hair tissue mineral analysis, our functional lab expert at the practice.
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Rachel.
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Rachel is an absolute guru, and I mean that when I say guru in all things htma,
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she is so incredibly gifted and taking her extreme knowledge and expertise.
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In these mineral tests and making it extremely easy to understand, uh, what
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is that saying from Albert Einstein?
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Like someone who clearly knows what they're talking about, who's
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an expert, can explain it simply.
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Well, that is Rachel.
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She is incredible at giving our clients in our premier programs and in our
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fertility clarity packages to a really simple understanding of the complexity of.
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When I'm not even trained on, 'cause it's such a complex test,
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a hair tissue mineral analysis.
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That is why I've hired Rachel because it is such an incredibly advanced test.
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I want someone at the practice who exclusively does that for us.
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And that is Rachel.
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So I asked her to come on the podcast today to explain.
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Everything you need to know about hair, tissue mineral analysis, if you've
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been following along on Instagram, if you've been listening to the podcast,
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if you are on my email list, you've heard me talk time and time and time
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again about my absolute adoration for this test, and there's a reason
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why it is like the foundation to how we now work with our clients.
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You'll understand that and so much more in this episode.
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Without further ado, let's jump into this guest episode with our
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functional lab, HMA expert, Rachel.
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Hello, Rachel.
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Welcome to the Nursing Women Podcast.
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I am so excited you're here today.
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Yeah.
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Thanks Victoria.
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I'm so excited to be here and chat with you a little bit more
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about hair mineral testing.
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I can't wait.
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And for everyone who's listened to the intro of this podcast, Rachel is our
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guru, all things HMA at the practice sheet is our functional lab expert.
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But before we talk about the HMA, Rachel, do you just wanna like
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briefly kind of intro yourself?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Awesome.
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So, um, like Victoria mentioned the functional lab expert at, uh, her company.
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And really what we do with hair mineral testing and why I'm so
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deeply passionate about it is that because it really does give that
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foundational assessment of how your body is or is not resilient to stress.
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And we can kind of think of stress in many different buckets, but at the
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end of the day, when you can really see the data clearly and how it's
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impacting your nutritional status.
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With, uh, hair mineral testing, it really helps to move the needle
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on certain, you know, lifestyle interventions, um, ways that you
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can adjust your diet for the better.
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And I like it because it really gives you that long-term information that you need
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no matter where you are in your life.
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Um, so that is my favorite part and why I'm so passionate
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about hair mineral testing.
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You are so passionate and you also know so much about it.
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I feel like every time I go through a protocol that you've
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written, I learn so much.
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So it is incredible to see you in action with what you are
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obviously so passionate about.
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Um, and I love how you just spoke to the HMA, and one thing I think is just
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important for anyone who's listening to this, watching this is that.
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Everyone, truly everyone can benefit from a hair tissue mineral analysis.
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So we're gonna focus today on, you know, our people, which is
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period recovery and fertility.
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However, every woman I believe should do an HA, and I honestly
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think everyone should do them once a year because it really does kind of,
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again, that's that long-term health approach and helps you make really.
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Thoughtful, intentional.
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Mm-hmm.
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Dietary and lifestyle changes that were custom to what your body needs.
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Wouldn't you agree?
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Yeah, a hundred percent.
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And that really is, I'm glad you brought that up, because it really does act
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as that almost baseline assessment or just barometer, you know, depending on
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what life kind of throws at you, um, which, you know, we cannot predict,
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but it's ways that you can kind of, you know, support your body moving
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forward, which is the best part.
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Yep.
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Okay.
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Let's just start with like the basics.
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What the heck is an H two A when people say that?
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What is an HMA and why is this test so important?
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Yeah, so nice and simply put, I love this test because you can do
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it at home, which is the best part, and it's a small sample of hair.
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You collect in the comfort of your own home, and you basically send this
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hair sample to the lab and it gives us results and personalized information
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about how your body is responding or not responding well to stress over the last.
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Three to four months.
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And like I said in the beginning, stress is very subjective.
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So I like to always break it down into how yes, it can be a lot of emotional
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and psychological states for women.
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Uh, you know, stress.
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I never, I always say, we don't wanna get rid of all your stress.
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That's not the.
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Part, but it's really just about making your body resilient.
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And also with that resiliency you can kind of be able to approach different
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things that come out you in life much more quicker and with a better,
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like, adaptation to things with nutrition and lifestyle and you don't
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feel like it takes you down so hard.
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Um, so that's the best part about this test, is it gives that nice
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average assessment, which compared to blood work, which is usually a.
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Snapshot in time.
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We like to see those trends and the averages when it
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comes to hair mineral testing.
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Now let's talk about kind of the main things that when you're going
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through a protocol with one of our premier clients, what you address.
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So one of the first things you see you address with them is the metabolic type.
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So can you explain a little bit about how does it even assess
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metabolic type and then what is the slow versus the fast and then like.
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1, 2, 3, 4. Like kind of explain like the differences in how
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a, how a test may come back.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So when we look at the metabolic type, it's usually at the forefront of the test.
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So we definitely address it first and foremost.
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And really what it does show us is whether your body is consistently
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living in more of this rest and.
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State, which is, you know, a scientific term, parasympathetic
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state, or the fight or flight, which is that sympathetic state.
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Um, I always like to say too, with this test is there's no ideal state,
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uh, no ideal test or perfect test results, but we do want to make sure
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that your body is adapting properly and there's ways that we can look at
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that through the totality of the test.
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Uh, so with that, there's four different subtypes, right?
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You have subtype one, subtype two, subtype three, and four.
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I like to think of subtypes one and two as really your body's first
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alarm stage, which is really nice because when I see a lot of these
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tests, most women are coming to me.
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When they're in like subtypes one usually or two, which is good because that
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kind of is that foundational start of like, oh yeah, things are in balance.
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We wanna correct properly.
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But that just leads to, you know, better long-term success overall.
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When we start to get into subtypes three and four, there's usually
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what I like to say, just more imbalances or desynchronization
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between different body systems.
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Uh, so it's a lot more of kind of.
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Making sure that we're laying the foundation and then also realizing like
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things didn't get like this overnight.
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So it is going to take some time to kind of rebalance and remineralize.
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But um, you know, it really gives us that difference in like, you know,
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maybe it's the first alarm stage or maybe we're more in this like,
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deeper stage of undernutrition or just overall like intense stress that
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just hasn't been dealt with properly.
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Okay, that makes so much sense.
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But then when it comes to like, let's say you're a slow three or
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four or fast, three or four, what is.
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Like the differences versus slow versus fast, and what does that
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indicate what's going on in the body?
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Yeah, so usually when you're in this slow three or four subtype, we kind of look at
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that as like a chronic depletion state.
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Meaning like your body has probably been under a intense amount of stress
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in different, you know, buckets or categories for a very long period of time.
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Uh, you know, to what extent.
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Your body is in those stress states, depends on like the person and, you
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know, once we go into their lifestyle and kind of look into those areas.
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Um, so with that, we kind of look at that as like things have been going
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on for a very long period of time and now it's kind of like a what
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goes up must come down scenario.
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So when we have the slow three and four, a lot of the times we see nutrients
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that are pretty low in terms of the nutritional elements area of the test.
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And then when we have this fast three or four, it's just this over exaggerated
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state of being in this fight or flight.
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So it's like a constant pattern of, you know, seeing these
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minerals being extremely high.
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'cause the body is just using them up so rapidly and there's just this
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fast approach to the metabolism in which you can't really hang on to
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these minerals because it just has to get, you know, use them so quickly.
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Um, so we have, yeah, usually what you'll see there is just basically the
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individual is usually like more anxious.
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There's just a lot of need for tons of nutrients and.
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You know, we kind of see more of this like burnout stage.
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I feel like we get a lot of slow ones and slow twos, but I also see a lot of fast
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forwards with our clients, which makes so much sense given that like they're
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impaired loss and they're struggling so much with like everything from a
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nutritional status because of the chronic dieting and everything, like the over
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exercising and the high stress level.
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So I always think I get it.
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So.
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Helpful to like clearly see the impacts of it all on your body.
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'cause it, yeah, the tests don't lie.
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They, they very much show what's going on in the body.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I like it for that.
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And I speak from personal experiences.
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I had to clearly say, like you mentioned in the beginning, you know, it is really
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good to get that baseline assessment maybe even once a year if you know.
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It's practical for you, but I think it just gives a really nice visual and
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really hones in the point of like, what got you to this point is probably not
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going to be the same thing that gets you, you know, feeling better or, you
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know, rebalancing, remineralizing, whatever term you wanna use.
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So I personally had that eyeopening experience a couple years the same ago,
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where I was like, yeah, like clearly what I'm doing is not as advantageous as I
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might think it is, as much as it might say online or as much as I might read or,
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you know, look to different people for.
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Information like I, you know, your body best, so if this is what it's telling you
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and this is the information that's clearly being laid out, you know, you kind of have
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to do things a little differently now.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But I feel like the data is what allows you to take it so seriously.
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That's what I love so much about the data.
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Okay.
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Speaking of data, you mentioned nutritional elements, which I know is
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the next thing you go through when you go through a protocol with a client.
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And one of the things I love Rachel, about your approach to it is you
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do focus often on those four Mac.
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Grow micro minerals, calcium, magnesium, sodium, and potassium.
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But you'll also look at the entire, uh, kind of the mineral status across the
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board, and you're all about like not.
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Identifying just one singular problem, but looking at it as like a whole picture.
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So share a little bit more about that with us and what the nutritional
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elements portion of the HMA, what that, um, what that indicates to us.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So, uh, that's a good point.
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Like we mentioned, we already talked about the metabolic type, which
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I'll look at, and then I also look.
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Point blank, like it's largest part of the test when you first pull it
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up is really that holistic overview.
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So either I'll see minerals that are usually in this very low range,
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or occasionally they're a little bit higher, which once again is
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just showing us that your body is currently under this active stress.
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State.
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So most of the time the clients that we see minerals are definitely depleted.
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Um, and that is something that we look at off the bat, and that can
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be due to a number of reasons.
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But most notably, you know, I'll always recommend just making
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sure that you're eating enough.
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'cause that is just one thing that will definitely help.
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You know, it makes sense, right?
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If you're eating enough calories, eating enough certain nutrients,
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your mineral levels are likely going to be higher in general.
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So that's just something to think about as well.
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And then, yeah, like you mentioned, you know, these nutritional elements
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or minerals, they don't work in a silo, they don't work separately.
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It's all a, you know, communication system.
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So it would really be a disservice if I only looked at things in an individual
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component versus looking how they interact with each other, which is
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why I do focus so heavily on those.
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For macro minerals because I look at it as like you're getting
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the most bang for your buck.
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These are like almost the main control center of everything else.
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So when we can kind of rebalance and remineralize the calcium, the
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magnesium, the sodium and potassium, we tend to see a lot of success with
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rebalancing the other minerals as well.
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Yeah, that makes so much sense to me.
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One thing I think is really interesting about these tests is sometimes clients
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will be like, you know, when I see a test when it's low, they, they tend to.
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Understand that that means their mineral status obviously is low, but when it's
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extremely high, they are often like, does that mean that I'm over mineralized?
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Yeah.
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And you do such a great job of explaining like, no, that means your
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body is actually releasing it too much.
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Tell us a little bit more about that and how a high does that always mean?
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There's actually a high amount in your body.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, we definitely do our due diligence and I love your approach as well.
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'cause we do have the blood labs, which is always nice to just compare
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to just make sure, you know, we're getting that complete assessment.
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But most of the time when I see high values, which isn't all the time,
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but a few outliers will show up, is that it's just showing that there's
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like this loss of energy through tissue, which is your hair, right?
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You have your hair, tissue, um, hair, tissue, mineral analysis tests.
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And really what it's showing us is your body is compensating in a way where
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it's just almost like churning out this.
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Particular mineral, let's just say magnesium for example.
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That was like a personal, personal one for me.
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My body is always using tons of magnesium, which is a response
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from the nervous system, right?
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We want to be able to use magnesium, but we don't wanna like completely deplete it.
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So when we see these high values, once again, it goes back to
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what goes up must come down.
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So likely, if you have a high value of magnesium currently, there is a chance
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that if it's not corrected and it's not.
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Uh, renourished properly that you can have a low eventually, right?
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What goes up must come down type scenario.
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Uh, so for me in particular, I really had to focus on, you know, why, well
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asking why is my magnesium so high?
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Why is my body using it so rapidly and why is it being lost?
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Like, why can't my body hold onto it in particular?
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So that was really important data and then I was able to look at
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it and compare it to blood work, which we do do, um, with the tests.
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So that's just an example.
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Cool.
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Okay.
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What about toxic elements?
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What can you see in a hair tissue mineral analysis of the toxic metals
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someone may have in abundance in their bodies that they need to then detox?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so I always like to say with this part in particular,
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we're never looking to.
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Create crazy detox protocols.
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If anything, I just, no, you guys never do that.
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It's always just like a, here is a handful of things you can do to, to Yeah.
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Help to support this.
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Yeah.
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And I never wanna overwhelm or scare anyone, so really, I like to think of it.
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Well point blank.
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We're always exposed to toxins.
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Like that's just a matter of fact.
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So it's really just about, like you said, you get the data, you're
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now aware of which ones are more prevalent in the body, essentially.
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And what are those sources?
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So it's just a matter of like looking at it as low hanging fruit.
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Like if you have the capability, if you have, you know, the financial means
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to kind of find non-toxic ingredients or just look at things like that, by
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all means, like that's an easy way to kind of decrease the toxic burden.
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Um, but at the end of the day, when you do support those macrominerals,
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like calcium, magnesium, sodium, potassium, you can bet that you are.
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Helping your body's natural detoxification systems, which are things like your liver.
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Sweating is an easy, you know, detox ability, uh, urination, which
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is just proper hydration going to the bathroom properly each day.
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So those are all like natural detoxification processes that we
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can all, you know, benefit from.
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But at the end of the day, we're never trying to, you know,
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eliminate them completely and make it this whole overhaul.
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It's just about like supporting that natural process.
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Okay.
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Very interesting to know.
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Okay, last question.
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As far as the HMA goes, I wanna dig into a little bit more is the significant ratios.
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This is actually my favorite part.
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When you guys do protocols.
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Yeah.
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Um, when you share like the, what the client needs to do, this is the part
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I think's personally most fascinating.
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So explain what the significant ratios are and maybe pick like one or two,
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like as the examples of like, yeah, for example, like what is a calcium phosphorus
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ratio and why is that important?
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Perfect.
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Yeah, so the, um, significant ratios, I believe, if I'm looking at it correctly,
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some I usually, um, glean over.
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It's about six different ratios I don't put up.
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Yep.
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I've got one pulled up.
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Yeah.
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Six.
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I know.
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I'm like so used to seeing it.
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So there's six different ratios.
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Usually I touch on at least the main four of those.
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And really what we look at with significant ratios and why I love this
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test is because it is that holistic, zoomed out overview of your body's.
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Systems, the body systems do not work separately, so we really do
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have to look at it in totality of what the ratios are telling us.
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So for example, you have your nervous system ratio, which like you mentioned,
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is that calcium to phosphorus ratio.
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And then we can go, you know, to the right from there.
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And you're kind of looking at, after that, you're looking at your energy,
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your cellular vitality, how your body is actually properly using nutrients.
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You know, taking it into the body and using it for energy.
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And then we can also look at your, um, thyroid ratio and then
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we also look at your adrenals.
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My favorite one and one that most women get the most information from
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is looking at the adrenal ratio.
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And that is your body's main stress response ratio.
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How your body is using cortisol, all that good stuff.
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Uh, so when that is significantly low, which is that sodium to magnesium there.
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What we're really looking at is that the body has once again just been
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compensating for a very long time without the necessary raw materials,
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which is just your nutrients, right?
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Your calories, your certain micronutrients.
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Uh, and a good example of this and why I like it for specific periods
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of time is I'll usually have women come to me after, I don't know.
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Six, four to six months of a really like stressful event in
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their life or something like that.
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I had a client once come to me after, um, you know, someone passing in her
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family and that is like a serious, you know, stressful life event.
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And we could clearly see how.
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Her nutrition lifestyle just wasn't supporting that response.
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So then we retested, which is my favorite part about these tests, and
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you could clearly see how the body, based on her recommendations and her
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plan, that she was able to basically support that body system and that
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process with her, you know, nutrition, mineral, mocktails, all that good stuff.
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Uh, so that's just one ratio in particular I love to look at.
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And then we also can look at blood sugar ratio, which is the next.
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One.
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And that will also really help us understand, you know, are
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you eating enough calories?
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Is there a nice balance of macronutrients like proteins, carbs and fats in the diet?
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And you know, how is your body responding as well?
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There.
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So fascinating.
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Okay.
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Overall, if you're speaking to a woman who, let's say, has dieted her whole
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life exercises so much, has lost her period, but wants to get her period back,
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wants to properly support her health, and ultimately wants to fall pregnant,
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why is this test such a foundational move for her to make as far as really
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supporting her body from the inside out?
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Yeah, I guess big one sentence overview is that this tests meets you exactly
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where you're at, so it is going to give you that foundational level support based
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on what has maybe, you know, occurred in the last three to four months.
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But it really does give that overview of, you know, all the things prior to
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that, and it meets you exactly where you're at with your personalized data.
22:18
And it gives you specific.
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Recommendations that you can take forward in order to recover your period.
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Uh, just have better over long-term hormonal health, less symptoms related
22:30
to, you know, any period symptoms.
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So that is just something that I think is, you know, you can't really replace having
22:38
that information and to guess would, um, you know, definitely take a lot more time.
22:44
So I think, you know, having that under your belt is huge.
22:49
So what I hear you saying is save you time and money.
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Know what your individualized, unique needs are based off of what your body
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is telling you, and have really an, an empowering way to look at, oh,
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like there's easy, simple things.
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That's another reason why I love this test is they're such simple,
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but again, intentional to this.
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Your body specific needs of recommendations of easy
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ways you can really make.
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A huge difference in your health.
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I mean, it, I, I will never forget taking my own HA and I just made a
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few tweaks and I mean, it just, it completely changed my energy levels.
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I still can't get over it to this day.
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I know.
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Yeah.
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I like that part.
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You keep mentioning it about the intentionality and I think what's
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really nice too, like going into the new year, by the time we're recording this.
23:29
Is, you know, there's so much to be said about like slowing down.
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That was really the main thing I gained from this test is like realizing, wow,
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I really do need to assess all those areas that the stress bucket is kind
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of being overfilled with, and just kind of take it out layer by layer.
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And then, like you said, just be as intentional as I could.
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And part of that was getting support, seeing the information,
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and then, you know, having a system in place to slowly implement it
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wasn't about rushing through it.
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It was about, you know, being intentional, like you said.
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Yeah.
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And you do such a great job of articulating that
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when you get the protocols.
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Okay.
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Rachel, this has been incredible.
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Thank you so much for your time coming on the podcast, explaining the
24:06
basics of the HMA with us to it today.
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Yeah, thank you, Victoria.
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My pleasure.
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Rachel, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today.
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Thank you, my incredible community for listening to today's episode.
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