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Blood on the Ground, Nest Cams Smashed, & Back Door Left Open | What Happened to Nancy Guthrie? · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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The search for kidnapped 84 year old woman Nancy Guthrie is now
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in its fourth day and more and more is leaking out from sources
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that seem to be directly connected to the investigation.
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Though I should say we can't verify that.
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I just, there are some reporters that I trust who say that they
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have sources. There's some people that I
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really don't trust all that much.
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And in this case, it's reported that I do trust.
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But things have been leaking out, including information about
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DNA evidence, about forensic digital evidence and maybe even
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a suspect. Though I think we need to be
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very careful about this in our discussion.
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You know that we will because here on this channel, we do our
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best to avoid the sensationalism and true crime.
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We want to cut past the fluff. We want to cut past all the
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sensationalism, but there might be.
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We're going to be very careful. We're going to temper our words
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and our thoughts with humanity and with compassion.
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But we're going to talk about it.
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Stay with me. This video contains mature
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themes and discussions intended only for adult audiences.
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Viewer discretion is advised. Well, hello there, my friend,
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and welcome back to another true crime conversation with me,
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Gavin Fish. I am so glad that you've joined
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me from wherever you are joining me.
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Is that the way to say that from wherever from which you are for
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to be possibly wherever you're joining me from?
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I know we're not supposed to dangle those things, but
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wherever you're joining me from, I am certainly glad that you
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are. And you know what, guys?
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Before we get into the case, OK, today has been a remarkably good
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day. Let me tell you why.
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OK, I got a text from my sister. This is all right.
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This might be the earliest tangent in the history of the
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show. Oh my goodness.
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This is, I don't even know if this qualifies as a tangent.
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It's not tangentially connected. It's just story time.
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But listen, I got a text from my baby sister today saying, hey,
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do you remember? And she gave me the name of a
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person. I was like, yeah, yes, of course
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I remember that person. I was in love with that person
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in 6th grade. She was my girlfriend.
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She was my one and only for 6th grade.
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Gavin Fish. And anyway, it turns out that
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her sister watches the old show and was talking to her sister
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about it and she's like Gavin Fish.
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Is that the same? That is the same Gavin Fish.
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Anyway, that led to us being reconnected for the first time
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since like 9th grade. That would be 1990.
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That's something like that. Anyway, what a terrific day.
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And then guys, and then I got reconnected.
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Speaking of high school with we, he and I have been Facebook
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friends for a while, but today we actually spoke, and that is
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my high school photo teacher, the guy who who set me on a path
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for my life, certainly one of my top two teachers.
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I think he's tied for first place.
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And my 6th grade teacher also tied for first place.
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But yeah, so I've been in touch with my 6th grade photo, not 6th
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grade, sorry. My high school photo teacher had
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him for three years and basically the the hobby that I
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love and have loved since I was 13 years old is is partly due to
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him, which and anyway, hopefully he and I are going to get
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together sometime soon. So what a great day, right?
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Great day. Now yesterday at the end of the
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show, I left you at the cliffhanger.
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I asked you guys, did you notice anything different about the
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background? Now I'm going to give you a
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hint. Right now the background is back
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to the way it was before, but yesterday.
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I'm so excited about this, guys. Yesterday I had AI had another
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thing on the desk behind me next to the typewriter.
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I'm going to show you I had this camera on on the desk.
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This is a Mamia RZ 67 Pro One. It was manufactured in 1980.
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Now I am no stranger to the medium format camera, but I have
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wanted this camera since about 1990.
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And I took possession of a terrific example of the model
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just yesterday. And hopefully as, as I set up my
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or reset up my darkroom, I will be using more of this camera and
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it will probably be on the desk behind me from from here on out.
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You guys who who don't know me well, I am a photography nerd
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and I love cameras. I love mechanical things.
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Listen to this. Just listen to this.
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This is a, this is a twin lens. I'm sorry, single lens reflex,
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medium format. Listen to this.
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Hold on, hold on. Oh, such a great sound.
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Such a great sound. All right guys, enough of this
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jocularity, enough of this horsing around.
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We have got a very important case to talk about today and
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that is the case of missing 84 year old Nancy Guthrie.
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Nancy is the mother of today host and anchor Savannah
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Guthrie. She has been missing since
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Sunday, the last time she was seen.
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I should say. Maybe the better way of saying
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it was Saturday night around 93945.
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She has a heart condition. She was taken, according to the
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sheriff, She was kidnapped. She's not missing.
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She did not wander off. She did not.
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She does not have cognitive issues.
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She is sharp, she is bright. She is with it and and she is no
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longer. Her whereabouts are no longer
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known. She is a woman who it's
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described she can't go more than 50 yards without help, right?
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She's she's an aged person and she wouldn't be able to just
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wander off. Plus there was some evidence
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left behind showing some foul play.
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Now yesterday we introduced ourselves at least on this
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channel. I know a lot of you have been
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following this since Sunday, but we introduced ourselves to the
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case. We took a look at the press
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conference that the sheriff there in Pima County, Arizona is
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the Tucson area held. There was some maybe what's the
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word that I'm looking for? I don't know.
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There was, there's some thoughts that the sheriff really didn't
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share anything. I actually disagreed.
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I think you had to read a little bit between the lines, but there
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was there was some new information shared there.
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Now today it seems like there's more, but it's coming in
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unofficially. A couple things.
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This happened actually yesterday.
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And so actually, if you're new to the channel, I never strive
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to be the first to break news like I'm not in a position to.
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I'm, I'm a dude who's an enthusiast and a journalist out
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here in Western Pennsylvania. I'm not on the ground.
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I'm not boots on the ground. I, I wish I was, though Probably
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not. I don't, you know, my traveling
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days are behind me, but it's not like I'm out there in Arizona
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and knocking on doors and and stuff like that.
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Fortunately for us, there are reporters, very, very good
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journalist like Brian Enten, who is who is boots on the ground
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and is giving us some good reports.
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So I never strive to be the first to to share anything.
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What I do strive to do is, is dig in, go deep down the rabbit
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hole, look at the different angles, be thoughtful and and I
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guess inquisitive about the things that we learn.
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OK, so the first thing that I want to bring up is, is this
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photo right here, which is a photo from News Nation.
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It was, I think, captured by either Brian Anton or one of his
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producers showing what appears to be blood spatter, blood
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droplets on the front porch of Nancy Guthrie's home.
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Now, we learned from the press conference yesterday and let's
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see if I can push the right buttons here.
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Let me from this press conference yesterday that they
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had been able to get DNA evidence from, and we'd learned
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this before, but they it was reiterated yesterday that they
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had been able to get DNA evidence from the crime scene,
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but that at least so far, none of it pointed to a suspect.
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If there is this much evidence on the front porch, then perhaps
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there's even more inside. Now, the sheriff has not told us
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why he believes it's a crime scene.
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He just says because of our experience, we saw several
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things in there that lead us to believe that she was kidnapped,
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that she was taken, that this is a crime scene.
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Now. I don't know.
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I don't know if police have taken swabs of this of this
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evidence and we can we can zoom up in on it a little bit.
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Let me see if I can see fish, see if see if we can maybe get a
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little bit bigger here. Goodness, yeah, maybe maybe just
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bring it up right in there. They do look like droplets that
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have fallen down though there is a little bit of misting, you
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know, in in some of that. I I don't know if this
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particular piece has been swabbed and has been taken for
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evidence, but it that does seem like an not an insignificant
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amount amount of blood. Of course, police would say it
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appears to be blood. We don't know that it's blood
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until it is tested. A reporter like myself sitting
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in my office in western Pennsylvania, I can look at that
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and say, yeah, I think the likelihood is it's blood.
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But I also wonder if there's this much blood on the front
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porch, will there be more in the in the house?
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Now, the other thing in this photo that I wanted to bring up
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to you and we'll talk about this a little bit is the mount for a
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Ring doorbell style camera. I'm not saying it's a Ring
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camera, but like a video conference style doorbell
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camera. And of course, the doorbell or
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the camera itself is missing. Now, the sheriff yesterday and
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before said that cameras were smashed, that they were taken in
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for evidence. Don't know if this is 1 or not.
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The other thing is we don't know if this had anything to do with
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the crime that apparently has occurred here or if it is
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something like, I don't know, she cut herself while opening a
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letter or, or had a bloody nose or, or something.
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We don't know that this is necessarily directly related to
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the crime scene, but I do. I mean, I think that the
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likelihood is that it is related to the crime scene.
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You know what I forgot to do? You know what I forgot to do?
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Guys, I just love doing this. I forgot to ask you, wherever
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you're joining from, please tell me in the comments section.
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I just love knowing where you're coming.
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the hot dish, Wild rice in Minnesota.
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Nice people. Yes, indeed.
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And I do love myself a good hot dish.
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Thank you very much for being here, Robin.
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Man, I just refresh. Let's just see if you guys are
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checking in. I know a lot of people check in
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San Jose. Emmy is here, Oregon is here.
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Jacksonville, FL is here. Thank you very much.
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Do do, do, do, do, do, do do Kentucky, but from Kansas,
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Northern New Mexico, England is here.
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Blitzkrieg is saying, hey, police are denying Banfield's
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claims. We're going to get into what
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Banfield said. OK, Now Ashley Banfield is a
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reporter that I admire and respect.
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If she says that she has a, a source, she has a source.
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I, I, I mean, we have to have her skeptical hats on.
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That's what that hat is back there.
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That's my skeptical hat. We, we need to wear those every
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once in a while. But I do think that Banfield has
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a good source and we're going to talk about what she said,
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including the prime suspect. But we're going to be careful
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about it because listen, when when investigations begin,
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there's there's an order to them, right?
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So they have to suspect everybody and they usually start
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with family. So if you take anything from
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this here podcast here, I am not saying that the person that
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Ashley Banfield says is a prime suspect.
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I'm not saying that person is. I'm just, but we're going to
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talk about it a little bit. Let's see Libu Grizzly first
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time as a member. Look at that little shark tail
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right there. Looking good from Brazil.
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see Lakeland, FL, South Lake Tahoe, Kansas.
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Thank you very much. Rochester, NY.
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It's a couple more before we go. Perth, Australia, you might have
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you might be the winner for far farthest away.
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Bermuda. Happy hump day from Bermuda.
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So very cool. So, so, so very cool.
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Thank you very much for tuning in.
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OK, before we get to Banfield, let's talk a little bit about
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what has been reported in the print media just a little bit.
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This one on page 6, this was from earlier today.
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I have one from earlier today and one from later this
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afternoon from CNN. So page 6 says FBI agents visit
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Savannah Guthrie's sister's house as desperate search for
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mom Nancy continues. It's written by Antoinette
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Bueno. Law enforcement agents,
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including FBI and sheriff's were photographed leaving Annie's
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home after a 2 hour meeting Tuesday afternoon where Savannah
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is also believed to be. Officials said nothing as they
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left the property. Savannah and Annie's 84 year old
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mother, Nancy Guthrie, has been missing since Sunday.
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Annie was the last person to see Nancy after bringing her back to
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her house from dinner Saturday night.
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Police believe Nancy was likely abducted from her home in
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Tucson. A spokesperson for the Pima
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County Sheriff's Department told Page 6 Monday that investigators
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believe Nancy was quote, taken from the home against her will,
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possibly in the middle of the night.
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And there's a little bit of information coming from Ashley
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Banfield on that. Again keeping our skeptic hats
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on. But I, I, I tend to believe that
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there is a, a, a well placed source there.
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An alarming new footage News Nation posted Tuesday and
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apparent blood trail that was seen outside the door of Nancy's
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home with a dark with a dark blood splatter or spatter
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noticeable on the brown tiles leading up to the door.
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Of course, that is that is what we have been looking at over the
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last couple of minutes. Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos
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appeared on CNN Monday night and said that based on his fifty
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years on the job, he had a gut feeling Nancy was abducted.
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This is an elderly woman in her mid 80s who suffers from
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ailments. She couldn't go 50 yards.
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He pointed out. There is that picture that we
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that we talked about before. Nanos also told Us Weekly that
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Nancy's disappearance has been tough on Today Show host 54 and
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her siblings Annie and brother Cameron.
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Savannah's husband Michael Feldman exclusively told Page 6
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on Tuesday. This would be yesterday morning
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that he doesn't have anything new to report in the search for
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Nancy. The public relations and
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communications consultant, 57, added that he's just being
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responsive, but feels mostly unhelpful in the devastating
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situation. One of the things that I really
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admire about this family guys, is and if I could add the
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Sheriff's Department and I, I guess by association, the FBI
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here, they are utilizing the media in order to get more word
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out there, more tips. And I think that that is a smart
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thing to do. I just, I don't know, I just
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really hate it when when they will lock themselves down, they
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won't say anything. Now.
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Now there are certain things that they can't say to us.
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They can't tip us off on a lot of things and we respect that
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and understand that. But the things that they can
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tell us, I'm glad they do in order to get more eyeballs on
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this. Maybe somebody has seen Nancy
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somewhere, maybe they saw her driving in a car, maybe they
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checked their Ring cameras or Nest cameras and they they have
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they have seen her. It's possible, right?
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And this reminds me in this, don't worry, I'm not segueing
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into sponsored content here, but I just want to say that it's
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been reported that this little area that Nancy Guthrie lives in
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is more of a rural area. The the home lots are like an
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acre all the way up to like 4 acres.
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I've heard there are no St. lights and so it's very dark.
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It's probably the way people like it out there, right?
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But guys, if you don't have cameras on your house that can
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see in the dark, please get them there.
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There are cameras now that see full color in the dark and full
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HD, please. And it's not much of an
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investment and I, I don't want to like downplay it.
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Money's money and money's tight for everybody.
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But get get cameras. OK, You don't have to get a
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subscription. You can you can order really
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great systems that can see in the dark, can do so in color and
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and in cases like this could really, really help authorities.
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But anyway, enough of that ramp. I'm I'm really grateful that.
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That the Sheriff's Office and the Guthrie family are being
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responsive to the media in such a trying, difficult, difficult
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time. I mean, their mother is gone
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and, and how, how could life be any more stressful or
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overwhelming than than that, right?
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It's comparison is the thief of joy, of course, but you guys
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know what I'm getting at. They're they're in a tough spot
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here and my heart goes out to them.
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And, and we certainly are. And, and they have called for
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prayers. They've called on the public for
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to join them in prayer that their mother Nancy can be
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returned to them. And I encourage you, if that is
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something that you do, to join in, however it is that you do
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it. OK.
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The next article I want to show you came from CNN.
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Before we get into a Banfield stuff, let me bring it up right
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here. Savannah Guthrie's mother's
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missing. This came out this afternoon.
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Sheriff probes possible ransom notes.
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While pacemaker data could speak to timeline, There were
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questions about a timeline in the in the press conference
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yesterday. Sheriff was a little cagey about
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it and I'm not, I don't, I don't want to mischaracterize the way
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he was. He has good reason to be that
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way, but he was pretty cagey about it.
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He's like the timeline we have is 9:45 PM to 11:00 AM.
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That's that's the timeline. But there is information coming
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out that that speaks to maybe when Nancy Guthrie went missing.
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And then we'll talk a little bit about these ransom notes that we
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talked a little bit about yesterday.
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Some of the most recent evidence in the desperate search for
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Nancy Guthrie, who wrote this, by the way, Amy wrote Andy Rose.
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Thank you, Andy. Some of the most recent evidence
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in the desperate search for Nancy Guthrie, the 84 year old
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mother of today host Savannah Guthrie is also among the cases
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most disturbing purported ransom notes sent to media outlets.
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Investigators have not confirmed whether the three similar notes
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are legitimate, but the sheriff of Arizona's Pima County said
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Tuesday he was absolutely not dismissing them.
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When the note comes to us, it's like any piece of evidence,
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Sheriff Chris Nanos told CBS News.
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You give it to us, you give us a lead, we're going to look at
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every aspect of that lead and work it as a lead.
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Meanwhile, and by the way, if this just turns out to be sick
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pranksters, like, dude, all this stuff is traceable.
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OK, if you, if you think you have an untraceable e-mail, I'm
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telling you, you don't. OK, Can I just talk about this
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for a second? This is a bit of a tangent, but
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no, it's germane. OK, it's germane.
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I'm not going to get into total the total details here, but let
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me just tell you how the Internet works, OK?
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The Internet is distributed, meaning there is no central hub
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to the Internet. It, it, it lives on a
23:17
distributed network of routers and switches and hubs and all
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all those devices, servers and devices and so forth, right?
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Every time a a message is sent, even if you have a VPN, it and I
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mean VPNs could help, but every time a message is bounced around
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that distributed network to the place that it needs to go, it is
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logged in a router. OK, many of those routers are
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are also distributedly shared. So it's possible to find all of
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those things. An then when you take into
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consideration treaties, I know that there are very good VPN
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services out here, out there that purport not to record
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anything or they have delete schedules and so forth like
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that. I'm telling you, if I'm telling
24:23
you that in many cases, what you think is protecting you or
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giving you anonymity is not because of treaties that are in
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place, international agreements. OK, So even if somebody thinks
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they have an untraceable e-mail, it's going to be traced.
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I promise you it's going to be traced.
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That's just my opinion. Just my opinion, but anyway, OK.
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Meanwhile, investigators are examining evidence that could
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speak to the timeline of the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie,
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who authorities believe was taken against her will from her
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Tucson area home over the weekend.
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Her pacemaker last sent a signal to her iPhone around 2:00 AM on
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Sunday, according to a source briefed on the investigation.
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Don't know who the source is. It's an unnamed source.
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You know how I feel about unnamed sources.
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But according to this source, her iPhone was left at the
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house. Now, what does this mean?
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I don't think that it means her heart stopped.
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I don't think it means that. I think that this is a modern
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pacemaker that connects via some sort of low voltage connection
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like Bluetooth or private Wi-Fi, most likely Bluetooth.
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And once it gets past a certain distance, it it can't, they
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can't connect. I certainly hope it does not
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mean that the heart stopped. I, I think what it means is that
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the person, the pace holding the pacemaker was taken far away
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from the phone that was left at the house.
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Even as more more information about the investigation is
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coming out, local law enforcement pushed back on
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claims that detectives have identified a suspect in the
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case. We're going to get to this.
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The Sheriff's Department asked the public Wednesday not to
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spread rumors about who may be responsible for the
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disappearance, saying they're speaking with, quote, anyone who
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may have had contact with Misses Guthrie.
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While we appreciate the public's concern, the sharing of
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unverified accusations or false information is irresponsible and
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does not assist in the investigation.
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The department posted on X. And while I really appreciate
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and respect what it is that they posted publicly, I also, I also
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know that it's all right to talk about these things.
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And as long as we do so in a way that is tempered with compassion
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and humanity, we do it responsibly.
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We understand that or we can we can talk about the nuance of it,
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not not just blare out rumors. I think that we're safe to talk
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about these things and we're going to get to that when we get
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to Banfield a little bit, OK. Media outlets received alleged
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ransom notes. At least three different media
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outlets, TMZ and CNN Tucson affiliates KOLD and hey Javi,
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can we take that one? Can we do a second tape?
27:27
Well, can we fix that in post KG UN report they received ransom
27:34
notes earlier this week demanding millions of dollars in
27:37
Bitcoin for Nancy Guthrie's safe return.
27:43
Oh, that's that is guys. Oh, OK, hold on.
27:47
We, we have a tangent, everybody.
27:49
We have a tangent. That was what we were.
27:56
What we need a sound for a Stinger for is when I yawn, I,
28:01
we, I, I was asking my mods, what was it that we said
28:05
yesterday? Because because it's not that
28:07
I'm tired. It's I, I'm first of all, I'm
28:11
off caffeine completely and have been since August.
28:14
And I, and I don't know, I just, I think it's my breathing when
28:18
I'm, when I'm reading, I, I tend to yawn for some reason.
28:21
I, I exhale all the way. My body goes.
28:24
We need, we need oxygen in here, Gavin.
28:27
And yeah, so we need it. We need a yawn button.
28:33
Help me remember that. Help me remember that hobby,
28:37
will you? Will you remind my mods that I
28:39
need a yawn button? OK, Going back.
28:42
Here we are. Let's see.
28:45
The outlets also describe the notes or the outlets say the
28:48
notes also describe specific evidence in Guthrie's home,
28:52
where authorities say she was last seen on Saturday night.
28:54
Nanos has declined to confirm whether those claims match the
28:57
crime scene, but told CBS News investigators did not share the
29:02
note with Savannah Guthrie. OK, in response for a request
29:08
for comment, yeah, we read that yesterday, OK, blah, blah, blah,
29:14
blah, blah, blah, blah. It may or may not be a value,
29:16
Fabian Pacheco said. But it's still considered
29:18
evidence. It's still considered a lead.
29:21
OK, so that's pretty much, oh, investigators process evidence.
29:26
Yeah, we, we heard about that. We heard about that.
29:29
So now let's go to the Banfield thing then.
29:32
Then this is what happened yesterday evening.
29:36
Ashley Banfield on her podcast, What is her podcast called?
29:41
I can't remember. I can't remember the name of a
29:47
broadcast. It doesn't matter.
29:48
On her podcast said that she had good reliable sources close to
29:55
the investigation who told her a couple of things.
29:58
OK, now I've got notes that I'm not going to show here that I
30:01
just kind of took as I was as I was watching the the video of
30:07
her podcast, OK. Banfield attributed to law
30:12
enforcement sources that there is particular attention being
30:16
paid to Nancy Guthrie's son-in-law, a guy named Tomaso
30:20
Sione. Now, if I could just offer just
30:27
a quick little, I don't note to Banfield who I respect, it's not
30:34
Thomas O, at least in in my experience, Tomaso, but it
30:39
doesn't matter. OK, so we talked about the OK.
30:43
So according to Banfield, there were Nest security cameras in
30:49
the home, plural more than one and not Ring camera specific
30:54
Nest cameras. No one.
30:56
The sheriff at his press conference talked about how they
30:58
were talking to different different corporations trying to
31:03
get more information. Banfield is saying that those
31:07
that at least one of those corporations is Nest.
31:11
If I remember correctly, Nest is owned by Google.
31:14
Let me let me look at that. Who owns Nest?
31:18
Who owns Nest? I think it's Google Alphabet,
31:23
who is Google's parent company. Yes.
31:28
And I wonder, I thought that Ring might have been related
31:30
somehow, but no, Ring is owned by Amazon, so Nest is owned by
31:34
Alphabet, which is Google's parent company.
31:36
So Banfield is reporting that there were at least two Nest
31:42
cameras at the home. Could have been inside the home,
31:45
could have been outside the home again when we looked at this
31:50
photograph. And let me get to a place where
31:54
I can drag it up. This does look like a Ring style
31:59
or a Nest security camera mount that is missing though we do not
32:03
know if it was missing because it was broken and then taken by
32:09
police or taken by a suspect. We don't know.
32:12
What we know is that looks like a Nest or a Ring camera style
32:18
doorbell mount. That's all I can say for sure.
32:22
But according to Banfield, that there were there was more than
32:25
one Nest camera and more than one was destroyed.
32:31
You know, what she said is that suggested some sort of planning
32:36
and familiarity with the property.
32:38
I'm curious what you guys think about that.
32:40
To me, that's if, if this is true, it does feel like there is
32:45
familiarity, right? Either that or somebody who is
32:49
just a thorough criminal. But I think that I think that
32:56
criminal is stupid if they think that smashing the cameras is
33:00
going to is going to somehow destroy the evidence.
33:08
It certainly would keep new evidence from being collected,
33:14
but I don't know. It seems like, well, and you
33:19
guys know, my iron law, my iron law of criminal mastermindry is
33:22
that if you think you have what it takes to be a criminal
33:25
mastermind, that is evidence in and of itself that you do not
33:28
have what it takes to be a criminal mastermind.
33:29
I stole that, by the way, and then named it my iron law.
33:32
I'm a thief. I'm a thief.
33:35
But, but anyway, does that point to planning, familiarity with
33:44
the property? I don't know that it points to
33:46
planning. It may point to familiarity
33:50
though. I mean, if you just have
33:52
familiarity with Nest, you know what those cameras look like,
33:55
you could you don't necessarily have to know what the property
33:58
is, though. This property, if I could show a
34:00
photo of it, let me, let me just look up.
34:07
It's a it's a single story brick home.
34:17
Let's see if I can get a give me a second.
34:26
Yeah, I'm going to. I'm just going to kind of zoom
34:28
in on this. This is what the home looks
34:31
like. It looks like it has a little
34:32
casita out the back, has a pool in the back.
34:35
But this is a brick home and it looks like a secure home.
34:40
Like when we look at this photo, I mean, it has a has a storm
34:44
door on it has a deadbolt. And of course, you guys, you
34:47
know that I've talked about this before.
34:48
Those, those locks are kind of easy to get into.
34:53
But but it does look like somebody who has spent a little
34:57
bit of time trying to secure their home at the very least,
35:01
right? It also looks like the kind of
35:02
home that might be collecting rainwater with that white roof.
35:07
What do I know? But anyway, so I mean, if
35:14
somebody comes at 2:00 in the morning to that house, are they,
35:19
you'd think that there would be some sort of indication that
35:22
there has been some jiggering with the with the locks or
35:29
something like that. I haven't, I haven't seen that.
35:34
Let's see. But OK, familiarity with the
35:37
property, I don't know. Law enforcement, according to
35:41
Banfield, has taken the damaged cameras into evidence.
35:44
They're attempting to retrieve any available cloud footage.
35:47
They say that they are having delays obtaining that data.
35:52
According to Banfield, the investigators believe the
35:54
abduction occurred around 2:00 in the morning, based on data
35:57
from Nancy Guthrie's pacemaker. It says Banfield said the
36:01
pacemaker was connected via Bluetooth to her Apple Watch and
36:05
her iPhone. Investigators believe the
36:08
disconnection of that time reflects physical separation
36:10
from the device. Is not a medical event.
36:13
If it were a medical event, it would be logged as such.
36:17
OK, this one. According to Banfield, the back
36:22
door of the home was reportedly found wide open.
36:26
Now that I want to look, and if you guys will just bear with me
36:31
for a second, I want to look at here's another picture of the
36:38
home. Let me see if I can make it
36:44
bigger for you. Let's go right there and then.
36:52
Can we kind of zoom in so it doesn't look like there are bars
36:55
on the windows or anything like that?
36:56
But what I'm wondering is about the access to the back of the
37:04
property. Let's see aerial view.
37:09
Let's see if we can see a good aerial view here.
37:21
OK, So it almost looks like maybe this area of the house is
37:27
the garage and you pull in behind any and you pull into the
37:31
garage. Looks like she's got.
37:33
I mean, the thing about this neighborhood is they've got so
37:36
many of those cactuses and desert landscaping that are
37:41
tall. I mean, they're some of these
37:43
look like they're 1520 feet tall.
37:46
Very difficult for neighbors to see anything.
37:49
But I don't know where the back door is.
37:51
I imagine it's on the back, right?
37:53
Would somebody go through maybe this little gate right here?
38:00
Let's see if I can like, well, that doesn't look like a gate.
38:03
That looks like it's cover. It's like a cover up of the HVC
38:09
system. Maybe you just go through back
38:10
here and open up the gate. Either way, Ashley Banfield
38:14
reports that her source says that the back door of the home
38:19
was found wide open. It's raised questions,
38:24
obviously, about how the suspect or suspects entered the house,
38:27
whether there was a confrontation there and why, if
38:30
they entered the back door, was there blood at the front door.
38:33
Again, we don't know that that blood come came from a
38:37
altercation or from from anything having to do with a
38:42
crime. We just, we just believe that
38:44
that's blood at the front door. Oh.
38:50
Banfield also reported that a vehicle belonging to Nancy
38:55
Guthrie's daughter Annie has been towed and impounded as
39:00
evidence. Annie and her husband were the
39:03
last known people to see Annie or Nancy alive, having dropped
39:09
her off at her home around 9/30, 9:45 PM the night before.
39:15
So I don't know that that is true.
39:17
I, I'm just, I just know that. Banfield reported it.
39:21
Now, according to Banfield's. Well, according to Banfield, her
39:25
source said that Annie Guthrie's husband, Tomaso Sione, I did
39:30
grab a picture of him. Is it irresponsible to show a
39:34
picture of the guy? Let me just put it this way.
39:39
OK, guys, we know that in before I, I am going to show his
39:43
picture. But before I do, let me just let
39:48
let's talk about the nuance of this, OK?
39:51
And let's talk about how the police have said that, you know,
39:56
these these rumors are untrue. Let's start there.
40:00
OK, but #2 in any investigation, especially of an 84 year old
40:07
woman, I would imagine that the first people that you would look
40:11
at is or are the people closest to her, the people she was last
40:18
seen with. And you would you would go with
40:21
that inner circle 1st and then work out from there, right?
40:27
So it could be that Tommaso is a or is or was considered a
40:35
suspect because he was one of the last people to be seen with
40:41
Nancy or to see Nancy. It also could be on the other
40:46
side of the spectrum that they have evidence, maybe DNA, maybe
40:50
something else, maybe camera evidence that shows that he
40:54
might be the suspect. When we say prime suspect, that
40:58
doesn't mean, hey, police have zeroed in on this guy.
41:01
This is the guy. No, it just means that maybe
41:03
this is the first person they're looking at, right?
41:06
Let's take the let's take the actual meaning of the word
41:08
prime. So what Banfield is reporting is
41:12
that her source is saying that Annie Guthrie's husband, Tomaso
41:17
Sioni, is being closely examined and may be considered a prime
41:23
suspect. And then again, and Banfield
41:28
emphasized what I just emphasized, the family members
41:31
are routinely the ones that are scrutinized and looked at first
41:35
in cases like this. So it does not, it does not
41:39
constitute even anything anywhere remotely approaching
41:46
proof of guilt. OK.
41:48
I, I just want to be very clear about that, right?
41:51
It just means that she's saying her source is that Tomaso Sione
41:56
is being looked at closely and that's it.
42:01
Let's see the last thing last. No, a couple things that I,
42:05
let's bring up Nancy Guthrie here.
42:08
Mansfield said her sources said that investigators believe the
42:12
perpetrator was someone familiar with Nancy Guthrie, her
42:16
routines, the layout of her home, abducting an 84 year old
42:20
woman with medical needs, mobility needs would be a
42:24
significant burden on the assailants, the kidnappers.
42:29
So this might suggest a personal motive or maybe a financial
42:35
motive of rather than like a random crime, like a random
42:38
break in and try to try to steal valuables kind of thing.
42:47
Banfield says that investigators are conducting extensive cell
42:50
phone and geofencing analysis. They're canvassing
42:54
neighborhoods. They're following up on tips.
43:00
Let's see. Yeah, I think the, I think that
43:04
those ransom messages probably are being treated with due
43:10
skepticism. I mean, you send it to TMZ.
43:13
Come on. So anyway, anyway, those were my
43:18
notes from Banfield's podcast, from Ashley Banfield's podcast.
43:22
Again, a reporter that I admire and respect and, and feel like
43:29
probably is a responsible journalist on those things.
43:33
And this is coming from somebody who makes at least part of my
43:35
living as a journalist, though I am the local guy, right?
43:39
Local local reporter. So let's check in with all y'all
43:46
and see what you guys are thinking here let me refresh my
43:50
screen and scroll on up here. See what?
43:56
OK Moni Moni is taking care of me.
44:00
The hobby button. Oh, there needs to be a hobby
44:01
button and a yawn button. Yes, thank you very much.
44:08
New connection on Nancy Guthrie. It's on World News with David
44:12
Muir, says Dandelion. Let me let me just do a quick
44:15
little search on that Nancy Guthrie breaking news, see if
44:30
anything's coming up. I don't see anything newer than
44:44
let's see, here's here's one from Newsweek.
44:47
Let me mute the tab just in case.
44:50
President Trump called Savannah Guthrie.
44:53
OK, We learned that expert warns public to beware of social media
44:59
claims and theories. Yeah, we need to.
45:01
We need to be skeptical for sure.
45:06
News conference scheduled for tomorrow at 11 AM Mountain, so
45:11
that that'll be 1:00 PM my time. Yeah.
45:21
Ransom note was sent to a local Arizona news station.
45:26
This is yesterday. Not saying that it's somehow the
45:38
ransom is connected to her net worth.
45:39
Give me a break. So the map shows difficult
45:44
terrain. Yeah.
45:46
So I I I haven't seen anything new, Dandelion, but I will.
45:50
I will check it out after the show.
45:51
OK. Eleanor from Uniontown, PA.
45:55
Welcome. Welcome.
45:56
Cochran 10. Shut up.
45:59
Cochran 10. Pennsylvania.
46:00
William Eastlake. I I think I might know you.
46:02
Welcome. Cochran's in my neck of the
46:05
woods, a beautiful little town. Oh, OK, so Mamma Mia says major
46:11
police presence at Nancy's house right now.
46:15
So let me let me just go over to NBC News real quick and see if
46:27
there's anything. Anything that I'm seeing or
46:37
maybe let me just let me try News Nation.
46:45
I always do that mistakes News Nation, now.com or maybe one of
46:51
the local local stations might might have it.
46:59
KGGUN might have something I don't.
47:08
I don't see anything live, but but that that's fine.
47:12
We're going to we're going to run out of time.
47:13
Thank you very much for that, for that comment.
47:15
I will. I will be taking a look.
47:19
Let's see. Yeah, you got to put GF in front
47:25
of your comment for me to to be able to see it.
47:28
Star Flower says. I believe the white roof is
47:30
designed to protect the home from heat, not rain.
47:32
Collection feature. You're probably right.
47:34
That's that's out in the desert there.
47:38
Vexatious pair says. Is Gavin aware they're putting
47:40
the crime scene tape back up and that law enforcement is at Miss
47:43
Guthrie's house? Thanks for letting me know.
47:45
I will check that out. Pretty awesome.
47:49
I am. I am.
47:51
I like Banfield. Yeah, I do.
47:56
Polly says is it not routine for the last person known to see her
47:59
to be questioned intensely? I think that is pretty standard.
48:02
Yes. And I and I think I've been
48:04
pretty clear about that. Let's see.
48:09
Mooney says many chatters are saying Brian Anton is there as
48:11
we speak of crime scene tape has been put back up.
48:14
Emmy says they're putting crime scene tape back up.
48:17
Good, good, good. Putting crime scene tape back
48:20
up. Brian Anton, is there good heavy
48:23
police presence at the house right now?
48:26
Excellent. Excellent.
48:27
So something's happening. Maybe we'll have to break back
48:31
in here in a little bit with with new news.
48:35
And yeah, we might do that. I wonder, says Hannah Belle, if
48:41
the blood is from when the person smashed the camera.
48:44
If so, then that would be somebody other than Nancy,
48:46
unless it was Nancy that smashed the camera, which seems kind of
48:50
weird to me. Seems kind of weird.
48:54
But guys, tell you what, I will keep an eye on this, but for
48:58
now, why don't you and me move on into three questions, shall
49:02
we? Hobby.
49:03
It's three questions. Pow.
49:11
OK guys, in this segment, I answer 3 questions that you sent
49:15
in to me. And what I hope you do is answer
49:16
these questions as well. You can send questions in to me.
49:19
3 questions at gavinfish.com. It's all spelled out.
49:21
Three questions at gavinfish.com.
49:23
I solemnly promise to answer all of your questions in full, and
49:27
if they're good, if they're good questions, please put in the
49:30
live stream how you would answer the question and I will give you
49:35
ample time to do that before we finish.
49:39
Question number one, Gavin, have you ever eaten crawfish?
49:42
Indeed I have, though not in quantity.
49:47
When we moved to Northern California as a kid, we could go
49:51
and catch little crawdad. We call them crawdads or
49:53
crayfish, but little crawfish, and I did, we boiled 1 and I had
49:59
a little piece of it when I was maybe 10 years old.
50:03
Since then, no, not really a seafood guy question #2 And get
50:08
to the right screen. You often say something along
50:11
the lines of if you think you have what it takes to be a
50:14
criminal, that's proof that you do not have what it takes.
50:16
How do you explain cold cases like Jon Benet Ramsey and Amanda
50:19
Winkowski or Ellen Greenberg, for that matter, or David
50:23
Elmquist, for that matter? Actually, it's very simple.
50:26
OK, if you have a Police Department that wants to solve
50:35
the case and is not colossally hose up in their investigation
50:40
of the case, it's very difficult to get away with a violent crime
50:43
like this. It's hard.
50:46
I explained cold cases like Jon Benet Ramsey and Amanda
50:49
Winkowski exactly that way. The city of Buffalo, NY, Erie
50:55
County, New York colossally hosed up in their investigation
51:00
into Amanda Winkowski. And then their incentives flip.
51:04
Their incentives go from hey, I want to solve a crime to hey, I
51:07
don't want people to know that I didn't solve this crime.
51:10
Same thing with Jon Benet Ramsey.
51:12
Same thing with David Elmquist, Same thing with Ellen Greenberg.
51:16
Time and time and time again, I'm a big believer in incentives
51:22
dictating what human behavior is.
51:26
If you don't know what I mean, read economic.
51:28
I'm sorry, Freakonomics or Super Freakonomics?
51:31
Both really. They're Freakonomics is my
51:34
favorite book that's ever been written.
51:36
I think. Question #3 what is your
51:39
favorite snow day activity? Do you snuggle inside or tackle
51:42
the great outdoors? Listen, my idea of camping, just
51:49
as an example, my idea of camping is a three star hotel,
51:56
OK? I don't go in the outdoors.
51:58
I just don't do that. I don't, I'm not an outdoor.
52:01
I mean, look at me, do I look like an outdoor kind of guy?
52:04
No, I am a stay inside, light a fire in the fireplace, read doom
52:12
scroll, chat with friends and family.
52:15
That is what I do. I do not tackle the great
52:19
outdoors now in short bursts. I I like I like going on walk.
52:24
Like today I went for about an hour walk outside is, I think it
52:28
was 17°, but not because I really wanted to.
52:34
I guess it was because I've committed to myself that I will
52:37
go on a walk three days a week trying to say goodbye to Fat
52:43
Gavin over here. Got it.
52:45
Got to be active. So yeah, I am an indoor cat.
52:49
That is what I am. Now.
52:52
I would love to know your answers to these questions and I
52:54
hope you tell me in the in the chat while we take a look at
52:59
some other headlines. Here we go.
53:06
True crime headlines, how? OK, a couple headlines that I
53:10
want to bring to your attention tonight is that Neil Langston,
53:16
who is an associate and friend of singer David, has appeared
53:21
before a grand jury. Jury.
53:23
Not a jury. A jury in the Celeste Rivas
53:28
investigation, at least according to DMTMZTMZ, says that
53:34
Neo showed up Wednesday to a Los Angeles courthouse, where a
53:37
grand jury has been convened since November to gather
53:39
information on the death of Celeste Rivas, whose dismembered
53:43
corpus was found last September inside David's Tesla.
53:45
Remember, he was Neo, was arrested in Montana and
53:51
extradited back to California where he then made bail for the
53:56
purpose of testifying before the grand jury.
54:00
He was mum as he was peppered with questions.
54:04
The deputy DA as well as they should be.
54:08
Neil is in front of the grand jury for about 30 to 40 minutes
54:11
according to TMZ headline #2 and this shocked me.
54:17
The mother of missing children, Lily and Jack Sullivan actually
54:22
talked as written by Allie Thompson and Angela Mclevore,
54:27
who have done terrific reporting on this case.
54:30
Just a couple of paragraphs of it.
54:32
This was reported by the CBC in an In an exclusive interview
54:36
with CBC News, Cindy Murray says the nine months since her two
54:40
grandchildren went missing have been torture.
54:43
Wait a minute. I thought I said mother.
54:45
Hold on, blah blah blah. In an In an exclusive interview
54:49
with CBC News, members of Melia Brooks Murray's inner circle are
54:53
sharing new details about her life at the time of the
54:56
disappearance and how the family is coping as the tragedy
54:58
continues to unfold. Quote, frustration comes to
55:01
mind, especially when you sit there and you kind of feel like
55:04
your hands are tied and there's not much that you can do,
55:06
Angelina Maloney, Arsenal, Brooks Murray's chotted best
55:11
friend, said during a recent interview.
55:13
So Brooks Murray is not spoken publicly about the case apart
55:16
from one media interview during the initial search and a written
55:19
statement she released through a volunteer search group.
55:21
She's been heavily criticized on in comments on social media for
55:24
remaining silent as armchair salutes have speculated online
55:28
about what happened to her children.
55:30
So this is more like close friends are are talking about
55:35
Malia. Malia isn't talking about
55:37
herself either. So apparently the loved ones are
55:41
saying that Malia Brooks Murray is taking it day by day.
55:44
And then the last one that I want to bring to you, alleged
55:47
Charlie Kirk shooter Tyler Robinson, her heads back to
55:50
court to try to oust prosecutors from the case.
55:54
This written by Andy Babineaux, Elizabeth Wolfe and Nick Watt
55:58
for CNN. Charlie Kirk's alleged shooter,
56:01
22 year old Tyler Tyler Robinson, sat stoically in the
56:04
Utah courtroom Tuesday as the judge heard arguments over
56:06
whether the prosecutor's office, which is seeking the DEP against
56:10
him, should be tossed from the case.
56:14
Robinson's defense attorneys have argued the Utah County
56:17
Attorney's Office mishandled a potential conflict of interest
56:19
after discovering the prosecutor's teenage child was
56:22
in the crowd when Kirk was fatally shot.
56:24
OK, it's an argument, not a particularly good argument, but
56:28
it's an argument. The 18 year old, who is a
56:31
student at UVU did not see the fatal moment or witness anybody
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in the crowd who may have been a suspect, prosecutor said.
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So, yeah, prosecutors are saying there's no conflict.
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Defense saying, oh, definitely contact here.
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I think that's probably going to land in the prosecution's favor.
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Now. Let's go.
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Those are your headlines. Let's see what you guys are
56:54
saying over here. Let's bring it up here.
57:02
Boom. Sharky Sharona.
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For what it's worth, I busted out the it's three questions
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with Gavin Fish in the kitchen today.
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I was making English muffins. Awesome.
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It's a great little Jingle, right?
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How about lions roar when you yawn?
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Oh, Susie Q, that is a great idea.
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Lion roar. That is funny.
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That's a good idea. That's a good idea.
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Maybe it could have little bubble.
57:27
Sounds like it's a lion underwater roaring or something.
57:34
Is scrub trauma says. Wonder if they got cloud info
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back and saw something on the Cam videos that that sent them
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back to the house. I don't know, Tina Lucille says
57:44
to question one. Yes, love crawdads.
57:46
Question two, law enforcement incompetence.
57:48
Same thing as me, Question 3 Let my dog dog run wild in the snow.
57:52
You know, our first dog loved that.
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He loved when we moved to, we moved from Sacramento to Reno,
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NV and we had a, we had like 100 year storm come through the
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first weekend that we were there.
58:10
In fact, I was back in California and Kimberly and the
58:12
kids and the dog were there, and they tell stories of him jumping
58:16
and just disappearing, and then he'd jump up out of the snow and
58:19
disappear. He just loved it, loved it,
58:21
loved it. Mooney says best camping
58:23
experience was camping in Acadia National Park, Maine, in the
58:26
winter on a huge rock. So much fun.
58:28
But I was much younger. Very good.
58:32
Joe the cat. Sarnia says you're not fat.
58:36
Walking is good for us Joe Thank you.
58:39
But I'm still overweight. I've lost 75 ish pounds, a
58:43
little bit more now, but I still got a good 30 to go man.
58:48
And so I am in the process of saying goodbye to Fat Gavin for
58:52
the rest of my life. And yes, walking is good for us.
58:56
And Tina, you're right, I did forget about checking in with
58:59
what your answers were. I was just, I was so worried
59:02
about ending on time. Sorry about that.
59:06
Garth Bennett says I play games on my Switch with my switch to
59:10
with my friend from the UK when I'm snowed in since my boys are
59:13
grown doing the video game thing.
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Very good. Let's see.
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Yeah, I, I need to, I need to get I, I will check what's going
59:26
on there. Brandon said 5 minutes ago.
59:28
Grid search happening in the wooded area around Nancy
59:31
Guthrie's house right now watching it with our drone.
59:34
Oh, wow. OK, wow, Joe says, can your
59:46
people reach out to Billy Bush hot mics?
59:48
You should be on his show. Well, that implies that I have
59:52
people. I have volunteers.
59:57
Joe, if you would like to be on volunteer and reach out to Billy
1:00:00
Bush to be on the hot mic, I would love to be on Billy Bush's
1:00:03
podcast. I'd I'd love to.
1:00:06
Ohio Paw Mom says you need a cartoon of a lionfish roaring
1:00:10
underwater. That.
1:00:12
OK, guys, this is smart. This is smart, Reuter says.
1:00:20
I hate camping too. Well, yes, I do have Javi.
1:00:23
You're right. You're right.
1:00:24
I have Javi. Javi is my producer.
1:00:28
Javier is a good producer. He switches buttons.
1:00:31
Well, no, he doesn't switch buttons.
1:00:33
He pushes buttons. He switches levers, you know, he
1:00:37
he spins rotating wheels. You know, he he does that sort
1:00:43
of stuff. He doesn't really reach out to
1:00:46
other. He's my producer.
1:00:47
I need a booking producer. That's what I need.
1:00:50
Guys, thank you so much for tuning in.
1:00:52
Those of you who stayed at the end, I really, really appreciate
1:00:55
you want to just quickly give a quick plug for the website like
1:01:02
I always do. You're always welcome to reach
1:01:05
out to me on my website by clicking on the envelope in the
1:01:07
upper right hand corner. There's lots on the website,
1:01:09
lots of case files. There are crime cod articles,
1:01:12
which is my true crime website. There are blog posts.
1:01:16
There's just so much there. But if you want to reach out to
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me, this is the best place to do it.
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Or click on the little fishy icon that will take you to the
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If there's just a couple more Tina, Tina says disguise your
1:01:44
voice and pretend you're an assistant for yourself.
1:01:47
Wouldn't be the first time somebody's done that.
1:01:49
Funny. I, I do have the best mods and
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the best chat. That is true.
1:01:55
That is true volunteers, each one of them.
1:01:59
And if you would do as Nightbot says, please buy my lead mod,
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Autumn a coffee. She is our Wrangler and she is
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amazing. Thank you guys for joining me.
1:02:14
We'll be back tomorrow night, 6:00 PM Eastern.
1:02:17
I will keep my eyes on this because there might be breaking
1:02:20
news. But anyway, I will we'll keep
1:02:26
our eye on this and maybe come back to it.
1:02:29
I, I do want to talk a little bit about the Tempe case.
1:02:32
So that might be tomorrow because we got, we got some
1:02:37
information out of the autopsy report that tells me that a
1:02:41
magazine was emptied on that couple.
1:02:44
So maybe we'll do that tomorrow. Depends on what's happening on
1:02:47
this case. Either way, I hope that I see
1:02:49
you there, 6:00 PM Eastern right here on this channel.
1:02:51
And until then, I bid you adieu and I hope to see you tomorrow.
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