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Willy's Wonderland vs Wild at Heart · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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Hey everybody, it's producer Peter.
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The recording with our friend Lunchbox, Nick Cage, artist and tattoo artist got a little
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funky with the audio.
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We ended up having to use sort of our scratch track from discord to make sure everything
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was as audible as possible.
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And it's not perfect at all times.
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So I apologize for that.
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But I think you can still get the gist and have a good time with us.
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So thanks for listening.
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Yeah I love the fact that we had to have a conversation about your government name and
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your actual name.
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I probably forgot your government name, but I do thoroughly respect the application of
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the term.
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How did you end up as Lunchbox?
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Well my name I was born with was a little too common down in California where I was
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going to college.
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There's like five of us in the circles.
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We all ended up getting nicknames.
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It originally came from dogma.
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The sound Bob was called Lunchbox once.
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And between that just my eating habits back then kind of stuck.
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And then I kept it professionally because like my names were way too common.
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Matthew and Chris are names people forget all the time.
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Yeah that makes a ton of sense.
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It's surprising how often people forget their artists name.
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They just go into a tattoo shop.
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They're like I don't know.
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It's like out of the ages and tattoos.
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It's like that's not a good clue man.
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He's like mid height.
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He had short hair.
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So yeah no people remember this much more.
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I get a lot more comments on my name than they used to.
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I have a very generic appearance so I blend into a lot of.
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It's fucking true.
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Every time I go out I see someone who I think is you but it's not you.
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Because I don't go out.
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Just one of those faces.
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That's part of it.
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Yeah.
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That was your first clue.
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It's beyond just face.
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It's like a walk in a body too.
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You're just like an everyman.
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Just a confidence.
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Yeah.
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It's the confidence.
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Yeah that's really what gets it.
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It's a confidence man.
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That's it.
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Yeah exactly.
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You get it.
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Now that I think about it I don't ever see you out.
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I see you in my house and I see you at the bar.
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Yeah.
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But never in between.
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I've got a tunnel.
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It takes me between the two.
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So are you just the silver four door car of people?
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Because like that's what I drive.
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I get it lost in a parking lot all the time.
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Like I constantly forget where I park because it has no distinguishing features.
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I actually tried to go the opposite way when I bought my last car and I bought just a bright
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orange Subaru.
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I always can find that.
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Yeah it was good for like a couple months and then all of a sudden it's like there's
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three bright orange Subarus on my block.
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Every time I see one I'm like oh it's Nick.
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It's not.
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They're foreign this neighborhood alone.
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Not including when you come to visit.
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It's the burden of being a trendsetter.
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I guess.
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Everybody kind of looked at me in that thing and it's like oh yeah you know that kind of
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looks like it was me driving it like you get a gauge of like how good you would look whenever
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I sit in a vehicle and you're like yeah.
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OK that could work.
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See I don't see that.
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I don't look anything like you.
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No I mean maybe if I sat in a front of a taco truck.
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Whoa alright.
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What?
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Sean likes to eat.
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I do.
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And I do like tacos.
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Tacos are good.
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Undeniably.
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They look at you like you're a little bit weird.
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They don't know what I look like Peter.
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That's true.
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Yeah they do.
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They look at your face all the time on the art.
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That's fair.
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They don't know which one is which.
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You're the one that looks like everybody.
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What was the last drawing I had posted?
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And can I post pictures in this channel?
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What number did I get to?
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The answer in general is X-Men 97 is so good.
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It is.
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It's great.
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Is it?
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I've been hearing that.
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It's amazing.
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I got a Cyclops tattoo because I got so into X-Men 97.
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That's pretty hardcore.
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It's right next to my Magneto tattoo that I've had for 10 years now.
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Oh god it's Brent Ryan versus Bill Furpo.
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Fucking Bill Furpo.
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I hate that that is a name that I just always remember.
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What's that from?
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Trapped in Paradise.
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Oh.
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No full disclosure I have not watched all of these.
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You haven't watched all of them?
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Not all of them.
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I've watched a lot of them.
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What's your body count at this point?
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I don't know what my body count is.
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I've seen most of the Nick Cage movies or at least the relevant ones I feel.
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I thought I had seen a lot of the relevant ones before too but it turns out I had only
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watched like seven Nicolas Cage movies.
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Now you've watched like 70.
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Yeah.
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I think it's over at 74.
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74?
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Yeah.
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I haven't started, because we were gonna watch Unbearable Weight of Massive Town.
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My brother got this idea for us to watch everything that was even vaguely mentioned in that movie.
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Okay.
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So you've seen The Crudes?
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Yes.
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I watched The Crudes too.
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I had a friend, we had a friend of ours who watched it with us just describe The Crudes
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one.
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Hey, we figured that'd be good enough.
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And it was.
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I lost at all.
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Yeah.
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I feel like you've probably got the gist pretty easily on that one.
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Yeah.
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that you watched that you regretted watching.
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I think there were some stinkers in there.
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There's got to be.
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Was it guarding tests?
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Candy Corelli's mandolin wasn't as boring as I expected it to be.
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Oh, that was like shockingly not terrible.
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It's so mediocre.
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It's so it's just fine.
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Yeah, I would.
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I would also describe it as shockingly not terrible.
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Like, how about that?
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Yeah, perfect.
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That's also what we came to last episode.
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Yeah, again.
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Again, like I'm sure like the first time we watched it, we're like,
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I don't know, it's fine.
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Yeah, but it's not that other movie.
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So it was better than whatever it was that other time.
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Yeah, yeah, like I know there are worse engagement for sure.
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Well, I'm just going to jump right in here.
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Otherwise, we're never going to get to it.
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Welcome to Kate. Welcome back to cage match.
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Colon around about way of meeting Nicholas Gage.
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I'm your host, Sean, here with my co-host colon Nick.
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So you came in real hard on that colon and I got excited.
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I wanted to colon.
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And our son colon with acid yellow.
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Sorry. Oh, boy.
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Yeah. So what do we do here, Sean?
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We here we take 64 Nicholas Cage movies as decided by us
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in bracket style March Madness down to the two
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catious films as decided by Nick and myself and sometimes Peter.
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Yeah, but never our guests.
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No, sorry, lunchbox.
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It's fine. Also, who are you?
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Who are you and why are you in our discord?
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I was invited.
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I started a year and some odd time ago.
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Started the challenge of drawing every Nick Cage.
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And now here I am.
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It's a beautiful endeavor.
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It is like there's certain sin to it.
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I started to worry like maybe like a dozen in the end,
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but like really after you've drawn him like 20 something times,
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you kind of get like a Stockholm syndrome for it.
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I feel. Yeah, we feel that we get it.
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Yeah, like you see his face in your dreams and stuff.
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We've been doing this for nearly what two years?
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Yeah. Two years in July.
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Yeah. Two years.
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Yeah, it's a long time.
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I've been doing this for at least a year.
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Been drawing for longer.
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But drug Nick Cage for a year or so.
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It would be amazing if that was the way you started getting into drawing.
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Kind of like the guy who was drawing in diesel every day.
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I just have to draw this man.
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And like this is going to look like my fashion in drawing.
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He's my muse.
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I must paint you.
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There was a guy who is drawing Mike Trout every day until like something happened.
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I was like, that's weird.
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Like I didn't really follow it.
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So I don't know if they improved or not or if they even stuck with it.
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I saw like five Mike Trout drawings and I was like, that's a really weird thing.
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Also, what a great name.
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Thanks. Yeah, thanks for a lot of this.
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I mean, we wouldn't have found each other if not for Reddit.
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So there you go.
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So, you know, there's something it did.
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Star-crossed lovers.
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Do you have a favorite Nicolas Cage you've drawn so far?
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Oh, man, there has been some.
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I think it's a draw him with the helmet on.
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I enjoyed that.
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That was a good one.
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I liked drawing red just because I like red.
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Big fan of Mandy.
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I actually wore my cheddar goblin shirt for like, you know, sick.
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Oh, yeah.
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Nice representation.
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I think I didn't want to seem like I came in biased, but I I'm wearing my wild at heart shirt today.
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So I'm all nice.
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I mean, I tried to go.
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I do want a Willie's Wonderland shirt.
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You wore a Willie Wonderland shirt.
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I want one.
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You're not on camera.
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You could just say you're wearing a Willie's Wonderland shirt.
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Say it now.
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Take a fresh take.
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Now I've already admitted I haven't.
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I refuse to lie.
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Good.
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The sin would be just vocal.
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We'd hear it.
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We could tell why I wasn't your choice.
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I'm integrity.
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Yeah, you're integrity.
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Said no one hosting a Nicholas Cage podcast.
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Definitely not this podcast.
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You know, it was fun was drawing the animated cages because it was kind of like this little island in the middle of all of his face is I get to draw something actually different.
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Wait, did you draw G Force?
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Yeah, yeah, I drew them all from G Force not long ago.
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Yeah.
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Speckles.
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But I know what his character look like and I know its name, because that's what I said all the time.
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Unfortunately, I remember all of the hamster names from that.
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I was like, why is that stuck in my brain?
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Okay, so there's Darwin, Juarez, Blaster and Hurley.
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Yeah, what about Steve Buscemi?
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I can't remember what the mice were named.
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He was a hamster.
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Hamster whatever fucking same thing.
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God damn it.
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Respect the film.
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Respect the craft.
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I don't know.
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His name was probably like nibbles.
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That sounds pretty good.
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I believe that I'm not going to check.
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Good enough for us.
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We're a serious podcast.
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Well, speaking of animated cages, I think we do have to discuss briefly the Spider-Man noir is happening.
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Yeah.
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Live action.
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Spider-Man.
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Yeah, this week in cage.
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Yeah, seems like that's going to be a real deal.
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You know, we might be living at the end of days, but fuck if it isn't a ride.
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Yeah, I think it's a ride.
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I think it's a ride.
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Yeah.
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So the surfer got a six minute standing Oh, at Cannes.
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I know.
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They say it's like a real return to like a Mandy ask kind of performance.
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Pretty excited for the surfer.
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And we also have long legs.
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Which continues to show us like nothing.
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Yeah.
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I think the cage is a current trajectory and like more horror and creepy shit.
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Yeah.
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Creepy shit films.
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I think, you know, he's moved past action.
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He's too old for that.
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Well, and definitely romantic comedy is out the window at this point.
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I beg to differ.
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We could have a return to figure.
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I mean, it could be like an about Schmidt situation.
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Mandy's a love story.
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He's old at this point.
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Mandy is a love story though, like I will agree with that.
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It's a lost love story.
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Sorry, spoilers.
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I mean, like unforgivens kind of a love story, right?
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That's not a big age movie.
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There are movies that other people read.
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It was a Clint Eastwood movie.
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We don't watch those.
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We don't have time.
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I don't have time.
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I'm about to have a baby.
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I mean, not me, but.
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Oh, geez.
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It's fine. It's fine.
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You're a man. You can say it.
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That's true.
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Don't limit yourself.
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You're a man.
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The world's your oyster.
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Give birth.
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You're a white man.
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True.
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So as I was saying on this podcast, we take two Nicholas Cage movies and decide which is the best cage film as decided by Nick and myself.
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And this week we are discussing David Lynch's Wild at Heart and some other guys.
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Willie's Wonderland.
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Some other guys.
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Willie's Wonderland.
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Nailed it.
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I want to talk about Willie's Wonderland.
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Mostly I want to talk about the character of Tex.
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McAdoo.
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Tex McAdoo.
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And why does he have a fake mustache on?
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Well, because he's from Texas, so he needs a mustache.
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But I'm sure they found the actor like a week beforehand.
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I just love his shitty and grin is like, and now you're an employee.
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Yeah, it just seems like such an odd thing.
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OK, so you confirmed that the mustache was fake.
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Oh, it's hella fake.
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It looks like it's a piece of paper with like nine hairs across.
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At least it wasn't CGI.
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Take that, Joss Whedon's Justice League.
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You had a relevant hot take.
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Well, that was a removal removal of a mustache.
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Right. Yeah, that's fair.
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Yeah, this is the inversion.
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OK, you got me there.
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I would love to see a fake like CG added mustache that like kind of slides in the frame and like animation doesn't snap.
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That filter.
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Yeah, every once in a while it kind of disappears and you have dog ears, a big tongue that just licks the audience.
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You got it. It's a terrible movie.
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So Lunchbox, had you seen Willy's Wonderland at this point?
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No, no, this is the first time.
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This is the first time I've seen Willy's Wonderland.
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It was OK.
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How do you feel about our namesake here not having a single line of dialogue?
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That I liked.
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Actually, one big criticism I'd have, I think the movie could have done better with less dialogue, even with a silent protagonist.
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I feel like there was too much talking in the movie.
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Yeah, those kids do talk a lot.
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It's mostly exposition.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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Like I think in my notes I wrote, I wrote where there was two separate exposition dogs that just tell you a story.
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I mean, you could have cut dialogue in the super happy fun room or whatever when the kids are getting down.
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You just need like sex, sex, sex.
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Oh, quick look over.
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Sex, sex, sex.
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And then like the alligator is doing like nothing now.
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So also I think it would have been great if the gator popped up out of the ball pit.
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I was going to say that's my biggest beef with this movie is no kid dies in the ball pit by the alligator.
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Yeah, why was there no monster in the ball pit?
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I watched this with my wife and she said it was like, oh crap, a ball pit.
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You know, there's snakes in that thing.
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Like I don't like ball pit.
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So it's a good there's just be in a ball pit.
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Relax.
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Crocodile just sits up like the undertaker.
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This is kind of like wasted opportunity.
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The movie like a couple more good decisions and they would have had a pretty solid like B or like if Sam Raimi had made this, it would have been great.
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Fuck. Yeah.
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If it was like puppets instead of like an excess of CG and if like they didn't talk so much because I feel like it definitely took me out of it every time they talked and then got all CG.
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They cut around for them.
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Our puppets like the ostrich was a puppet.
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Yeah, I want you to tell him.
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Ostrich is pretty solid.
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They had the goods like Sub Zero spine.
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Like that one was good.
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That was a big fan of that one.
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The ostrich and the gorilla are the two best fight scenes.
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I feel I really enjoyed the nighty night fight again.
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Enormous thick foam sword and like just suspending disbelief and being like that could totally cut a person in half.
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It's like four inches of foam, but it could.
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Yeah, it's got it's got Satan's edge to some sort of lacquer on it.
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How long do you think he's taking those breaks?
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I mean, he's taking a full 15, maybe just a 10.
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Yeah, it seems like a 10.
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How often did he take a break?
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Because he's taking him like he's taking like six in that one evening.
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One night, I guess, Tex never said how many breaks to take and he never takes a lunch.
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So he doesn't take a lunch.
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That's true.
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Just punch pop.
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He also renovates her business in a night, which seems a little much.
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Where did the teen bodies go?
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Yeah.
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That was my I didn't think about this my first viewing and I thought about it today.
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A bunch of teens died, but he finished cleaning that place up.
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So are they just like in the dumpster?
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Yeah, like they held up their end of the deal.
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He agreed to this.
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I think the animatronics eat them.
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He did spend extra involved.
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And that was all great.
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Everything was a pinball machine, including his improvised disco dance.
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That was my favorite scene for sure.
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It just like power move at the end.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I like the kind of frosted lens, like kind of soft colors, like beaming through as he's just.
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Oh, he's fucking feeling that.
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Yeah, he's tripping out on whatever drink he's drinking.
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He's gotten in the zone.
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It's the pinball.
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The first one is that they spent a lot of time on the pinball machine.
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They do spend a lot of time with the pinball machine.
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And I like that.
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It's a nice break from the ridiculousness of the premise of the movie.
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Is this a sequel to Tommy, the pinball wizard?
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Yeah, the pinball pinball barbarian.
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Where are we going to go with that?
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Now, for headcanon, it makes me enjoy the movie to believe that this is just red on his way back from somewhere.
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This is just like a noteworthy experience for him.
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My headcanon is he's a high level like fighter or something that just happens to be in a low level dungeon.
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He just has to clear it like it's less work for him to just do the quest than to go around and get his car fixed elsewise.
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So he just shows up and it's like, fine, I'll kill your little monsters, but you're not going to get a word out of me for it.
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I think he was a form in a former life. He was a costume mascot somewhere.
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No, you think he's a water baby with water, baby.
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What does that mean?
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What does that mean, Nick?
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I'm assuming it means he has water for brains.
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Oh, I got you.
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OK. Ostrich comes to life, tries to kill you.
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Maybe that's a one off. You go back to clean when the gorilla like
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surprises new say bots into the into the bathroom and gorilla greetings you.
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All right. Maybe just preemptively take out a couple more animatronics.
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Yeah, like he has some weird moral code against killing them when they're not trying to kill him.
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Like beat the shit out of those fucking things.
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To be fair, the like constraints of the quest were not killed the animatronics. It was clean up.
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Clean up. Yeah. Yeah. If we're talking about quests, you're right.
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That's actually wasting time destroying the robots.
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It just takes away from the amount of cleaning.
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It's vandalizing the property you're restoring anyway.
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At some point, he was going to have to buff Willie's tough.
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I do like how him and Willie, when they have their fight, Willie kicks his ass, throws him in the ball pit, then just like goes for a pee.
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Yeah. Just walk wanders off so he can get up and go like load up his burlap sack with punch pop and
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like tape a broom handle together instead of, you know, going and picking up that shotgun.
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Yeah. I don't know how the sack of soda was the most effective way.
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Well, when Willie stepped on the shotgun, he broke it.
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So the shotgun was out of commission.
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Here's something I noticed on this viewing when the sheriff gets like smacked in half, when it cuts back to so cool,
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when it cuts back to Willie, the top half of the torso is just in the side of the camera.
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I'm assuming it's just hanging from like a gurney or something.
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So it's just like hanging there. There's just a fist hanging there.
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There are some could be embedded in the wall, but probably not.
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Yeah. So speaking of the burlap sack of punch pop, I love that he has that nice car.
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And like by all accounts, like does not look to be a vagrant, carries all of his shit in a burlap sack.
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Like one used potato sack. Show me a better sack.
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Bindle. I don't I'm not. Yeah.
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All right. I take it back.
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Thank God this isn't a visual medium for everyone else yet.
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Yeah. Find us on YouTube.
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I was on a porn club account going. We stopped on that idea.
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Yeah. Well, I just haven't had time to pursue it again.
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So you keep getting distracted. Yeah. Every time I log in, like something else comes up.
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It's sort of like edging for us being on that.
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I think this is a very fun movie. I think it's a very low commitment film.
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Like you don't need to ask much of yourself and you shouldn't ask much of this movie or your wife.
21:41
The thing about wife, my wife, until 13 minutes into this movie, thought we were watching a Willy Wonka movie.
21:49
Oh yeah. OK. Different.
21:51
Like when does Gene Wilder come out? It was often a very strange start.
21:58
Nick Cage is a mute Willy Wonka. Yeah.
22:01
She was rolling with it for 13 whole minutes. So I found myself.
22:04
I mean, I was watching on Hulu, which I think everyone probably was.
22:08
And you can skip like 10 second increments on Hulu like really rapidly.
22:14
And I found myself only jumping to the fight scenes because I just didn't give a shit about anything else.
22:21
They don't really build the tension between those terrible and like building any sort of tension.
22:26
It was just stuff happened. Yeah.
22:28
And like the the cuck dude, like who fucking cares?
22:31
Like you're pining after Liv and then the weird like chameleon is going to try and fuck you or whatever.
22:38
And you deserve to die.
22:40
Yeah, like the terrible, the terrible teenagers were just regular terrible, not like satire, terrible like the Tucker and Dale kids or something like that.
22:49
Yeah, I love that movie.
22:52
See, Doug or Dale's great because it's a good comedy and a good horror.
22:55
This was not good at either one of those.
22:57
Like I think somebody made your mom and dad episode that it was not a good horror movie.
23:02
It's not a good comedy movie.
23:04
It's not like something like the Evil Dead show where they do a good job both.
23:10
That's terrific because that's my opinion of mom and dad.
23:14
I have the exact opposite opinion here where it's like it's not like a great comedy.
23:19
It's not a great horror, but I don't know.
23:22
I feel like it's at least there's more commitment to I don't know.
23:26
Maybe I just like the character of the janitor more.
23:29
I do like the character of the janitor more than Brent.
23:32
There's something charming about this movie that I'll watch it.
23:36
I don't think I would say no if somebody was like, want to watch it.
23:40
I was like, sure. Why not?
23:42
But it's a little commitment for me. It's like it is 90 minutes.
23:45
You can just kind of go in and out of I do love I do love all the songs.
23:50
It's weird that it ends on Free Bird.
23:53
Yeah. Our second was so strange.
23:56
Like had they just because I mean, they made up new fucking songs for this movie.
24:00
Had they just made up a free bird esk tune.
24:03
Nobody would have thought twice about it.
24:05
That would have been fucking funny.
24:06
Also, for the license and right to play free bird, you could have like
24:10
made the Willy fight actually look good.
24:13
Don't call it the Willy fight.
24:16
It was. I mean, when Nick Cage pulls out his tummy sticks and
24:22
I do want the Willy's Wonderland theme to have it for reasons that are not going to go into.
24:29
So creepy.
24:31
It's a.
24:32
I respect it.
24:33
And we want you to have fun.
24:35
Hey, shoulders, knees and toes and toes.
24:39
This is still the only time that I ever hear anything beyond that part of that song ever.
24:45
And then I have to remember that it's like, oh, yeah, it's like shins and hips and tummies.
24:51
And no, that's years.
24:53
That's the weird horny version that they made. It is not that.
24:56
Those hips don't lie.
24:58
That's the Shakira version.
24:59
I disagree.
25:00
That's the if you sing it to a child, you do not do the tummies and hips.
25:04
I disagree.
25:05
I don't remember a second part of the song or second verse.
25:08
Like I remember that there is a second verse and it it does talk about other body parts.
25:14
Eyes, ears, mouth and nose, head, shoulders, knees and toes.
25:18
OK, but where do the tummies and the hips come in?
25:22
For killing teens. Nice.
25:25
Get us out of this one.
25:29
Some teens die in a wild at heart, so wild at heart.
25:31
Now we got to talk about the matrix.
25:36
You get segue now.
25:38
Take it back.
25:39
That was really grasping to
25:43
you don't need to get us out of there.
25:44
What teens died in that.
25:46
The car crash.
25:47
Oh, I mean, the people who are who are teens.
25:51
I mean, to be fair, if this were the 90s, we could be plain teens.
25:54
That's correct.
25:55
The other half of the Twin Peaks cast when they die.
26:00
Right. All right.
26:00
Yeah. Also, one of the two is Audrey Horn.
26:04
So there was that one of like six Twin Peaks people in this.
26:08
I forget how many. Yes.
26:09
Now we'll get yeah, we'll get into that in a minute.
26:11
You got to still talk about one more thing on Willie's Wonderland.
26:14
And the Willie's Wonderland, the matrix of Willie's Wonderland,
26:16
whether it's a good movie, a bad movie, a good Nicholas Cage performance,
26:20
a bad Nicholas Cage performance or somewhere in the middle.
26:22
Where where do you rank this film in this cage?
26:26
They're not great movie, but the cage performance was solid.
26:29
I think the janitor was the strong point of the whole movie.
26:31
That's how he overcame all those obstacles through strength.
26:34
Yeah, that's true.
26:36
The sheer tyranny of will.
26:39
Disgumption is too far.
26:41
Yeah, I'm with that assessment.
26:43
It is not a good movie like on paper.
26:46
This doesn't fly.
26:47
It's a great Nicholas Cage performance.
26:49
It's magnetic.
26:51
I'll use that magnetic is a good word for it.
26:53
Yeah, I am not not a good film, but a very entertaining performance
26:58
by Nicholas Cage.
26:59
I forgot when he is going to fight the fairy and the chameleon.
27:06
And he's got like is the menage a tour, a tour.
27:08
And you know, he it just like when he even profiled and he just starts
27:12
shaking when he kills a siren, Sarah.
27:16
Yeah, Sarah, siren or siren, Sarah,
27:19
by like snapping her neck.
27:22
Oh, with his legs, with his legs.
27:24
So he's just sitting on her face.
27:26
And I'm like, oh, you can't can't show this in England.
27:29
Did they face sitting in porn?
27:33
What? Oh, this would have been like a decade and a half.
27:36
We got to talk to Darryl.
27:37
Oh, I mean, that's Darryl right now.
27:39
Darryl. Yeah, Darryl.
27:40
Darryl, can you watch me sitting porn?
27:42
Can you sit on a face?
27:44
Sit aloud.
27:45
Now, the funniest part of the movie probably I found probably was
27:48
when he took his break in the middle of a fight and just handed the girl the blade.
27:52
That was one of my favorite parts.
27:55
That's what I wanted to know.
27:56
How long his breaks were, because like, how long was she fighting that chameleon?
28:00
Yeah, like how long was she just alone trying to stab that thing?
28:04
At least 10 minutes.
28:05
BBC article. Why are people face sitting outside of Parliament?
28:09
Why are people face sitting outside of Parliament?
28:12
So it was only a decade ago now.
28:14
That's still relevant.
28:15
Yeah, they banned a bunch of different sex acts in porn in British,
28:21
including face sitting.
28:22
Do they return them to the people?
28:24
Put them right back on the faces.
28:26
I'll do my research tonight.
28:27
Prohibition all over again.
28:29
Yeah.
28:30
So with face sitting instead of
28:33
a face sitting, where do you put this movie on the grid?
28:38
Bad, good, bad entertaining.
28:39
Yeah, I'm with you.
28:41
I had a good time.
28:42
I skipped most of a 90 minute movie by fast forwarding.
28:45
Yeah, I was going to say, it hardly qualifies as watching the movie.
28:49
That's like how most people watch porn.
28:52
You're just fast jumping through to the parts that are like,
28:56
until the face, it gets gooey.
28:57
That's good. Yeah. Until the face sitting.
28:59
Yeah. And then you're like, OK, I've seen enough.
29:01
I'm curious.
29:02
What was your favorite animatronic death in this?
29:05
Favorite animatronic death?
29:07
Not Willie's. He just kind of smashed him.
29:10
I liked the collie sticks he made out of like a mop.
29:14
And then the spine rip might have been my favorite because that was pretty good.
29:17
I remember the face sitting one.
29:19
The gorilla gorilla gets a curb stomped into a urinal like.
29:23
It's not necessarily the killing, but I'm still really a big fan of Tito
29:27
getting hit in the balls with the shotgun. Yeah.
29:31
Why did we have that?
29:32
Why did we make this curse? How does it feel?
29:34
Things feel pain. Bad idea.
29:37
Yeah.
29:37
You know, it was a brutal curb.
29:39
Stomp is when he killed that guy at the beginning of all the dark.
29:41
Oh, man.
29:44
OK, yeah, that's our transition.
29:46
Wild at heart. Yeah, that's not a bad segue.
29:49
Sorry, did step on your toes.
29:51
No, it's fine.
29:52
I'm not good at them, apparently.
29:55
I don't know why you're sour about this now.
29:57
You've had two years to learn how to segue that movie.
30:02
It starts fucking right right in there.
30:05
Yeah, starts out hot.
30:07
Credits over fire is our introduced to this movie is just.
30:12
This is so David Lynch and I
30:16
forgot how wildly David Lynch this movie is.
30:21
He is just the third main character.
30:25
Yeah, I love it.
30:27
I mean, you've got the weird high voice guy for no reason.
30:29
You've got the weird like murder of the mom's boyfriend.
30:34
Like, fuck, it's so David Lynch.
30:36
And the guy who quacked at the bar and spoke to me.
30:41
What do you tell me?
30:42
We weren't the pigeons spread diseases. Yeah.
30:46
Which is not the only enigmatic character he beats, because you also have Pete
30:52
from Twin Peaks. I forget what his character was.
30:54
Double off something.
30:56
He goes on about his dog and how his dog bites sometimes.
31:01
And you probably picture his dog.
31:03
Well, that was the guy that was that was a racer head to write.
31:07
Yes, he's the racer head guy. Absolutely.
31:09
This this movie is fucking wild.
31:11
So Peter and I watched this one to get.
31:14
Yeah. And weird on top.
31:18
Peter and I watched this one together in about 10 minutes into the film.
31:22
Peter looks at me and goes, is David Lynch a good director?
31:28
And I didn't have an answer.
31:30
Have you watched David Lynch make quinoa?
31:32
I have not, but I'm going to.
31:34
I have. I've been waiting.
31:36
Wait, is that on Pornhub or?
31:38
No, you can find it on YouTube or whatever.
31:40
It's cowards.
31:42
So he did like a series of things at one point.
31:45
I don't know. He was just posting videos like he would post the weather report
31:48
every day. But he would read the weather.
31:54
I'm aware of.
31:55
I want to pull the numbers out of a jar.
31:57
For this quinoa one, it's like a black and white video that he shoots at night.
32:01
And he's making quinoa.
32:04
He's telling you his quinoa recipe and he's just smoking over this pot
32:09
of water while it boils.
32:11
And then he goes outside to have a cigarette.
32:13
He just like rambles at you for like 20 minutes while the quinoa sets.
32:19
And then he goes back in and makes himself a plate of like barely visible quinoa.
32:25
Because it's nighttime and he's got like two lights on and it's in black and white.
32:29
And he just eats quinoa and probably smokes another cigarette while he does it.
32:33
OK, so he is a good director.
32:35
He's insane. I don't know.
32:37
I'm pretty sure I told this story when we first did Wild at Heart.
32:41
But I used to work at a Barnes and Noble and the person who like got guests to come
32:45
talk there, got David Lynch to come talk about a book he'd written.
32:49
But David Lynch won't do a public appearance if he can't smoke quinoa.
32:52
But David Lynch won't do a public appearance if he can't smoke inside.
32:55
So most places have to like get special dispensation from like the city to have
33:00
like indoor smoking just so he'll come and talk.
33:04
That is a power play.
33:06
David Lynch and David Chappelle like they're going to smoke.
33:11
So this movie is crazy.
33:14
I love it and hate it.
33:17
Like, I think it sucks and it's amazing.
33:20
It kind of describes David Lynch for me in general.
33:23
Like, it's a whole thing of he wants you to feel things.
33:27
And that's not always a good feeling he wants you to have.
33:32
No, he definitely keeps you like from being comfortable.
33:37
No, I feel disconcerted and very uncomfortable at certain parts of a lot of his movies,
33:42
especially anytime Bobby is on screen.
33:44
I just like feel slime on me.
33:47
So Bobby Peru, Willem Dafoe's character, he has such a profound impact on me
33:54
when I think about this movie that I forget that he's only in the last like 30 minutes.
33:59
And his head gets blown off.
34:01
Yeah. With the spine still attached.
34:03
Yeah, that's gross.
34:06
Not as gross as his teeth.
34:07
What's really impressive in this movie is I think this is the creepiest
34:11
Willem Dafoe I've seen and he can really play creepy.
34:13
Like this is creepier than poor things Willem Dafoe.
34:18
Yep. No, wait.
34:20
I don't know what's worse, his mustache or his teeth or his like persona.
34:25
Yeah, his personality.
34:27
Every single thing about his character is gross.
34:30
Oh, man. I will tell you, the thing that lives rent free in my brain
34:33
from this movie is Mr. Big Round Balls.
34:36
Oh, yeah. What a weird like is that a compliment or an insult?
34:40
It's like I had a friend of mine who in college would just his insult was
34:44
your big dick bitch.
34:46
And it's like, thank you.
34:52
So I got a question for all of you.
34:55
Fuck Mary Kill Bobby Peru's mustache,
34:58
Bobby Peru's teeth and Bobby Peru's personality.
35:01
Oh, boy. The mustache.
35:03
You know, OK.
35:05
No, no, no, no, no, no.
35:07
Mary, the mustache, the mustache.
35:09
Kill the teeth.
35:10
Fuck his personality.
35:12
And there's no good options here.
35:15
They're all terrible.
35:17
God damn it, Nick.
35:19
You know what?
35:19
I think I'm going to fuck the teeth because they're small
35:22
and I don't think they'll get in the way.
35:24
They seem pretty gross and jagged.
35:26
Yeah, they're not going to offer up a lot of resistance.
35:29
This podcast is over.
35:31
I'm turning this podcast around.
35:33
Mary, the mustache and definitely kill his personality.
35:37
All right. Lunchbox, your take.
35:39
Oh, I don't know if I'll play this game.
35:42
Go ahead. Get canceled with me.
35:44
Mustache is maybe the most appealing.
35:46
So maybe very bad. Kill his teeth.
35:49
Oh, what does that leave?
35:50
Oh, that leaves me.
35:51
I'm talking about personality.
35:53
Also, I mean, the guys in this room seen my attempts at relationships.
35:57
I like an abusive relationship.
35:59
Oh, I don't like myself that much.
36:01
Don't don't be in a Bobby Peru.
36:04
If there's one thing everyone should take away from Wild at Heart
36:08
and this podcast, don't be Bobby Peru.
36:11
Don't talk about yourself in third person.
36:13
It don't take a leak in for the Lord Lord earn against your will.
36:19
Apparently, he actually did.
36:21
He accidentally non-functioning toilet.
36:24
But why did they why did they use fake audio for that?
36:27
It's so bad.
36:29
It's just like somebody dumping a bucket of water.
36:32
Well, they probably just looped it in.
36:34
So just to make it, you know.
36:37
I'm going to put my own version of that audio in right now.
36:41
I'm going to go dump a bucket of water in the yard.
36:57
The thing that sticks out that will not leave my brain
36:59
is the close up of Bobby Peru smiling with the stocking over his head.
37:05
Oh, yeah.
37:05
Also, why why stocking like how is that a convincing.
37:09
Because it's a classic.
37:11
Yeah, but it it is a class.
37:13
It's a fucking classic.
37:14
I mean, look at raising Arizona.
37:16
Look, they're just holding up a seed bank.
37:18
Is it supposed to be like a dark stocking?
37:20
Is that going to like because like they just look like them,
37:23
but their noses are slightly smashed and you can't tell their hair.
37:26
And I don't know, maybe from a distance.
37:28
Let's go get some stockings.
37:30
All right. I have some.
37:31
Some. Well, I don't want to wear your stockings.
37:34
And I don't want your giant head to stretch them out.
37:36
I would stretch the crotch part out really hard.
37:40
Then I'd put it on my head.
37:41
All right. So lunchbox, give us a give us a like top level
37:45
review of this movie.
37:46
Like what happens? Give us the overall story.
37:50
The overall story.
37:51
Geez, that's a way too many notes on all that hard.
37:55
So that could be problematic.
37:57
But what general stories you would have the love story between sailor and Lulu.
38:02
It starts off with fire and the curb stomping
38:07
at the very beginning of it.
38:08
Well, technically banister stomping.
38:10
But it's a pretty normal scene where they're just like at some gala
38:13
or something, take fear.
38:16
And this guy just casually talks to him.
38:18
And it's like, hey, I got hired to kill you.
38:20
And it just whips out a knife, tries to kill him.
38:22
It's head smashed.
38:24
Do do do.
38:29
Oh, I didn't get any metal.
38:31
But I looked it up.
38:32
It was Slaughterhouse by Power Man is that heavy metal song
38:36
that constantly plays.
38:37
Oh, that makes sense because they were all excited about Power Man playing.
38:41
Yeah, it's the band they go to see.
38:43
Yeah.
38:45
I know where this.
38:46
Yeah, Power Man knows Elvis.
38:47
They're classic.
38:49
They're classically trained.
38:51
I forgot how long that scene goes on for.
38:53
He sings the whole song.
38:55
Yeah, it is.
38:56
Yeah, like the whole song.
38:57
This is like what?
38:58
At the beginning, after he gets out of jail and they go to the concert
39:01
and then the dude starts dancing with Lula,
39:03
Saylor gets all caught up in his dancing.
39:06
And then Saylor fights, stops the entire concert
39:10
to confront the dude and smash his face into a cigarette.
39:13
But the crowd and then he sees the concert with
39:17
he just gets the toss of a mic and just crew insert.
39:20
And then they go back to the room.
39:22
I love how he's just like,
39:24
you guys seem like real solid fellows and you got real big energy.
39:28
And like he calls Elvis big.
39:31
He's like, you guys, you know, this one hit it.
39:35
So he's been like, what, 20 minutes just driving
39:37
and banging in hotel rooms, smoking a lot of cigarettes.
39:42
I tried to count in the movie.
39:43
There's like 30 cigarettes smoking.
39:45
So this way.
39:47
Oh, so he does double dip a couple of times.
39:50
Yeah, this would be like the David Lynch equivalent of a
39:55
a drinking game, just a smoking game, just smoke
39:58
when they smoke and see if you can. God.
40:00
Put down a pack and a half of cigarettes in two hours.
40:03
Oh, I love the first time I saw the movie,
40:06
but she told him she was pregnant.
40:07
He lit two cigarettes.
40:09
I thought he was going to give her one.
40:11
I'm like, OK, we're going to have to start smoking with two cigarettes.
40:16
Yeah, he does that in prison again, too.
40:18
Later on, it's so good.
40:20
It's like this is how he deals.
40:23
Well, right into his son, he's never seen her daughter.
40:26
Peter and I were trying to figure this out.
40:28
How many films does Nick Cage miss like large swaths of his children's lives
40:33
because he's in jail?
40:34
Because there's a lot of crossover with Connery, except it's his kids.
40:38
Stolen.
40:39
Mm hmm. And he again gets a stuffed animal for the kid.
40:43
He has sailor has trouble getting the stuffed animal.
40:46
This kid for the record.
40:48
Yeah, no, he walks up and hands it to him.
40:50
Well, like so easy.
40:52
How hard, how difficult was that?
40:54
But then he does have an anxiety attack and bolts moments later.
40:58
I shouldn't be a daddy.
41:00
We're skipping right to the end, but he has an anxiety attack.
41:03
Oh, it's the break speed off of us gangsters
41:07
and then Laura Palmer and gives him some advice.
41:10
What does she tell him?
41:11
Like it's with your wild at heart.
41:13
Don't give up on love.
41:14
So he's like, all right.
41:16
I wrote down the specific line he told her.
41:19
But just saying,
41:20
uh, I'm a manslaughterer and a robber and I didn't have parental guidance.
41:27
I just love how they keep saying manslaughterer.
41:30
That's how is that the preferred nomenclature?
41:34
Yeah, manslaughter.
41:35
Well, he calls himself a murderer and like a larder and calls him out for it.
41:38
Yeah. Yeah.
41:39
She's like, you're exaggerating.
41:41
Just a manslaughterer.
41:43
I love the scene where at one point they jam out with the gas station
41:48
and it's like tapping along and like slaves them off.
41:51
And she smokes in the car in front of like three no smoking signs with the gas pump.
41:55
And then they're driving down the road like sailors sleeping.
41:59
And Lou was trying to like find some music.
42:01
And like literally every station she turns to is like rape, murder, slaughter,
42:06
a bunch of dead turtles, like probably a bunch of dead animals.
42:10
A bunch of dead turtles, like probably using the corpses of the river.
42:15
And she just has a panic attack and pulls over on the side of the road.
42:19
So they have to find some metal thrashing out.
42:23
Did he really flip out of that fucking car?
42:25
I hope he did.
42:26
It looks like it didn't look like it was cut.
42:29
Based on everything I've seen interview wise from him in that time period.
42:36
Yeah, I'd say he did.
42:37
He probably did do that back flip out of the car and then like, oh, wow.
42:41
Didn't you go on a talk show and do like a flip?
42:44
It was like super.
42:46
Yeah. Yeah, he was hyped.
42:49
Yeah, he was hyped for that maybe.
42:51
He understands how to make a movie Texas style.
42:56
I didn't see any cowboy hats, but yeah, they didn't make that porno Texas style.
43:00
And I wonder what do they mean by that?
43:02
And then they show you what they mean by that.
43:05
Everything's bigger in Texas.
43:06
Everything's bigger in Texas.
43:08
And don't forget the silent cowboy and I'm assuming more than a producer
43:12
who just stared down.
43:15
It was just the cowboy and the business
43:17
to stare down sailor as he was gone.
43:19
He's right.
43:20
We're so far out of gas, I think.
43:24
This movie's so fucking wild.
43:26
Yeah. At heart.
43:28
I don't know.
43:28
I just feel like so much of it is like these weird vignettes and like
43:32
none of it really matters.
43:34
It's just sort of adventures of sailor and Lula.
43:37
Well, it's based off of a series of shorter pulp novels. Right.
43:41
So which I mean, it makes perfect sense that that would be
43:45
how this shook out, but it is pretty weird to watch as a sequence.
43:49
Yeah. Yeah.
43:51
I mean, it's tied together about as well as it could be, I think. Yeah.
43:55
A little more coherent than most of David Lynch's other stuff, though,
43:58
because he's not always the biggest fan of like
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a literal logic, a kind of dream logic.
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And time is fluid.
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So like it's a lot more structured than it's difficult work, I'd say at least.
44:10
But it does have like the big grand of vignettes on the road,
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kind of like the straight story did.
44:16
I did enjoy how no villains in this movie
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got their comeuppance except for Bobby Purdue.
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Peru Peru.
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Yeah, Bobby Peru got his head.
44:27
Yeah, the mom never got her way.
44:30
In fact, her photo melted when it got wet.
44:34
They did the wicked witch thing.
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She was the wicked witch.
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For the water on the picture.
44:40
She didn't have a mental break.
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So she kind of hurt.
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Yeah, she got broken mentally.
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And that was great.
44:46
But Santos didn't have anything bad happen to him.
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No. Other than I guess he didn't get that pussy. No.
44:54
And what's her face? Isabella Rossellini just books it.
44:58
She's just gone in the wind with her bad hair.
45:01
Yeah, weird wigs.
45:03
So many weird bad wigs in this movie, but like clearly bad wigs.
45:08
I think Lynch just doesn't give a shit about that kind of stuff.
45:11
Yeah, I think he's got an aesthetic that kind of borders on like
45:16
more mental fuckery than visual
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cohesion.
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That's a necessity.
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Yeah, I think that's a good assessment.
45:27
Yeah, I love it, though.
45:30
I really do enjoy it.
45:33
Josie and I were watching this and we're like, man,
45:36
it's probably about time to watch Mulholland Drive again.
45:39
Again, probably.
45:42
I so backed up wild at heart.
45:44
I loved the like, oh, man.
45:46
So I'm I really enjoy it.
45:49
I get into the the weird and wildness of a David Lynch aesthetic for the movie.
45:54
And I'll only talk about this one like for this moment.
45:58
But everything from like the cuts to fire
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and like the the memories, like the way he shows memories, the
46:07
a really saturated filters on the lenses and everything.
46:12
It's such a he's a better Wes Anderson.
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Like he has his own clear style that nobody else can do.
46:21
I'm so mad that I actually really agree with you.
46:23
Like this is fucking spot on.
46:25
Yeah, like nobody makes a David Lynch movie, but David Lynch.
46:29
Like nobody makes a Wes Anderson movie like Wes Anderson, but you could.
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And you just need to know
46:38
130 like famous people to fill out the cast.
46:43
One Bill Murray.
46:45
Yeah. But I don't know.
46:47
I don't know something about David Lynch's style is so
46:52
just unbelievable to me.
46:54
And like, I just never know what's going to happen.
46:57
And so when I watch one of his movies, I'm like, oh, fuck.
47:00
Why is it this now?
47:01
Oh, OK. Like, oh, this room's all made out of giant red curtains.
47:06
Cool.
47:07
Well, oh, this is 30 minutes now.
47:09
OK, we're doing that.
47:10
Well, when Peter when Peter asked me, is David Lynch a good director?
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My only thing was, I think he's a good director for David Lynch films.
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Yeah. Yeah.
47:18
He's quite good at those. Yeah.
47:21
Not for the typical film, although he did almost make a star
47:24
which would have been bizarre.
47:26
I cannot imagine.
47:29
David Lynch is a rebel moon. Yeah.
47:32
Well, OK, just he made Dune.
47:35
So let's think about David Lynch's Dune.
47:38
Yeah, I try not to on a regular basis in a Star Wars setting.
47:43
So he's had Toto do a soundtrack.
47:45
Would Star Wars just be all yes?
47:49
Maybe. Yeah.
47:51
I want I want backward talking Darth Vader.
47:54
Yeah, that would be such a movie.
47:56
If only we could live in that reality one day one day.
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But it would be it would be very unique to be the most unique Star Wars movie
48:04
they made.
48:04
It could just be a one off single episode of The Mandalorian and I'd be happy.
48:10
Yeah, if only we could get that 45 minutes of just like David Lynch
48:14
Star Wars story, that'd be pretty great.
48:16
It would just be the Christmas special backwards.
48:19
Oh, I like that.
48:21
You mean Tobor, it's robots spelled backwards.
48:24
Tobor, it's robots.
48:27
So on the grid of good movie, good cage, bad movie, bad cage, good, bad, bad, good.
48:33
Where do we put Wild at Heart?
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I think it is a good movie that is weird and I hate and love.
48:40
And it is a great cage performance. Now.
48:43
OK, I'll answer this.
48:45
But I also want to say like of the matchup, I think it's just awesome
48:49
that we had these two movies that have different approaches to the language
48:54
with Nicolas Cage saying nothing in one film and the almost romanticized
49:00
approach to language that you get in this movie because it like
49:05
they don't talk like people.
49:06
Like they're talking almost like it's a period piece.
49:10
But the period could really be, I mean, anytime pre cell phone.
49:14
Yeah. Just I don't know.
49:16
I love the way they said things like when they get in the car
49:20
to when Saylor and Lula get in the car to take off and it's like stab it and steer.
49:25
It's like that's a fucking great way to say just punch it, Chewie.
49:30
Yeah. Even mentions how she has a strange way of saying things.
49:35
Yeah. And it's the whole cast like everybody just talks kind of strangely.
49:40
But there's just a love affair for talking
49:44
and like the way you can say things in this film.
49:48
Well, you mentioned how like David Lynch has his signature.
49:51
Like if you know what to look for, you can tell some things to David Lynch thing.
49:54
And like odd dialogue is definitely one of them.
49:57
Like you have some pretty natural dialogue in Twin Peaks.
50:00
It was really just David Lynch doing David Lynch.
50:02
It's weirdly timed dialogue.
50:05
People almost seem out of sync.
50:06
Yeah. Like there's almost a meter to like how he writes things out
50:11
or has people say it that just kind of like throws it.
50:15
Yeah. Like working in a odd way, not like not the kind you usually see.
50:20
It's a very unique kind.
50:22
Yeah. It gets your attention for sure.
50:24
And it made me pay attention.
50:27
I could pull up any scene in this movie and be like, oh, man, I fucking love this.
50:31
I love this line right here just because of delivery or oddness.
50:37
I took note so many lines they they said because they were just great one liners.
50:42
I forget what the last thing you think.
50:44
Give me your top quote.
50:46
I do like the last one he told his what was the last advice he gave his son was
50:52
they win before you end up dancing at the end of a rope with no music.
50:57
The last advice he wanted to give his son before leaving his life forever.
51:01
Yeah, he's something he met like 10 minutes ago. Yeah.
51:05
Yeah, he's somebody just that the car is like, you know what?
51:08
You guys would be better off without me.
51:10
Peace. And Pace just gives him his cool look.
51:13
His cool guy face like, oh, I'm intimidated by this new daddy.
51:20
New daddy.
51:22
That envy the line.
51:24
My favorite line is probably the the line with the good witch.
51:27
The I'm a manslaughter and a robber and I didn't have parental guidance,
51:32
which he brings up at the beginning of the movie by telling her about
51:36
when he's describing how he started smoking at four years old, I think.
51:41
And he's like, my mom died of cancer.
51:43
My dad died of cancer drinking.
51:45
Pretty much everybody in my family died of that.
51:48
But I didn't really have much parental guidance.
51:49
At least that's what the public defendant kept telling me.
51:53
Yeah. And I like I was like, he was a good man.
51:55
He's stuck by me.
51:57
That's the closest to a father figure he ever had was his public defender.
52:01
Yeah, so that's the only guy he's had in his life.
52:06
It's like this.
52:08
This is a great, great film and such an interesting performance from that cage.
52:14
And one I don't think we've seen a performance like this.
52:17
We haven't seen from him really since.
52:19
It is pretty unique amongst the.
52:21
That's might be the lynchiness of it.
52:23
This film definitely came out in 1990 and it's a
52:28
before his big action movie turn
52:32
and kind of after some of his more adventurous early films,
52:38
Vampire's Kiss and stuff like that.
52:41
I don't know. It seems like it's such a first wave cage kind of film.
52:46
It was definitely a good peanut butter jelly of weirdness.
52:49
I think even read he got him out of method acting
52:52
because David Lynch was kind of looser with the script and rewrites
52:55
and wanted him to like play with the character more.
52:57
So I think it ended up influencing him a lot from what I read at least.
53:01
But it is a good blend. It's not his typical weirdness.
53:05
Yeah, I mean, you get a little bit of just David Lynch leaking in.
53:10
And it's really nice.
53:13
But there's the important thing of that was his actual jacket
53:16
that he gave Laura Dern afterwards.
53:18
So that's insane that it was just out of his closet.
53:21
It wouldn't be the first time he's brought his own personal properties
53:25
because like, well, maybe it was the first.
53:27
It might have been the first. Yeah.
53:29
But the car that he drives in Sorcerer's Apprentice was his car.
53:34
And that's pretty cool, too.
53:36
Well, and one thing I don't think I've heard anybody mention
53:38
is that that jacket is in a video game series.
53:41
Like there is a primary character in the Yakuza game series that wears that.
53:46
Majima wears that exact. And he's my favorite character in the whole series.
53:53
And it also represents individual freedom.
53:57
And whatever the line was.
54:00
Yeah, I've been trying to find like a good quality snake skin jacket
54:06
for the last two years now.
54:07
And I got to say, it's not something I'm going to find online.
54:12
I'm going to have to start going to like snake dealers.
54:14
Snakeman. Yeah, snakeman.
54:16
And start talking to.
54:18
This is how we actually meet Nicolas Cage.
54:20
You just in like talking to a snake dealer. Yeah.
54:23
Oh, I'm also Nick Cage's snake guy.
54:26
It would be beautiful.
54:27
Can we get that guy on the podcast? Probably.
54:31
I'll throw back in to where we were and say that I fucking love this movie.
54:35
It's a great movie and a great Nicolas Cage.
54:39
I'm high on this horse.
54:42
So I shouldn't be smoking horse.
54:44
Don't smoke horse.
54:46
That's when you get that weird high voice and talk about pigeons
54:49
or whatever the fuck. High on a horse.
54:51
That could be sniffing glue.
54:53
Oh, yeah. Get that hoof.
54:56
I'm a hoof man myself.
54:58
Huffing mouth disease.
55:00
You don't eat it.
55:01
All right. So what movie goes forward?
55:04
And we'll pitch it to lunchbox first.
55:06
Yeah. Which movie do you think should go forward?
55:08
Did I need to do the good cage?
55:11
Well, I mean, I went into this bias.
55:13
I think it's great cage. Great movie.
55:15
Even one of the lower David Lynch movies is better than most other movies.
55:19
In my opinion.
55:20
Yeah, they just offer so much.
55:24
They're rich in world setting and for nothing else.
55:27
And click. Oh, God.
55:29
Don't even. OK, we're going back.
55:32
We're talking about Dell.
55:33
Yeah, I love Dell.
55:35
I'm making a sandwich.
55:37
I love Crispin Glover and I love Crispin Glover.
55:40
I'm so glad you said that.
55:41
I had a whole like page on Dell.
55:43
He's one of my favorite bits of the movie.
55:45
It's the same thing for something that's like two minutes long.
55:48
Yeah, it's our second Crispin Glover
55:51
like cameo in a Nicolas Cage movie.
55:54
And it's just insane.
55:57
It doesn't leave an impression.
55:59
The guy obsessed with.
56:00
Who has cockroaches in his underwear.
56:02
He was putting a cockroach on his butthole.
56:05
On his anus.
56:06
Yeah, right on his anus.
56:08
Also like middle of the night in the dark.
56:10
Isla sandwiches.
56:12
What are you doing, honey?
56:14
I'm making my.
56:17
He's just destroying the sandwiches like he makes sandwiches
56:20
and then dices them up like with his face.
56:24
Oh, yes.
56:25
I just can't get over his weird like weird butthole dance with the roaches.
56:29
He's like, rising around.
56:32
He doesn't look sad, though.
56:35
I mean, would you with roaches on your butt?
56:38
Check back next week.
56:41
Let me see if that was on the something.
56:43
Yeah.
56:44
OK.
56:45
What are you going to rock paper scissors?
56:47
Well, I was going to finish this up real quick
56:49
so that I can get distracted again.
56:52
Get high on that horse.
56:53
Yeah. Lunchbox.
56:54
Your opinion. Yes.
56:55
My pain was wild at heart.
56:57
Well, yeah. Not to lead the witness.
56:59
Yes.
57:00
All right, Nick.
57:01
I'm a wild at heart guy.
57:03
This is definitely my movie.
57:04
You're wearing the shirt.
57:05
I was going to say Primal, but I guess I guess I'm outvoted here.
57:09
I'll go wild at her.
57:10
Hmm. If primal's on the table,
57:13
I'd have to go wild at heart.
57:15
Yeah. But I mean, I'm not going to say anything.
57:17
This is a great movie.
57:18
It's fucking weird and I am uncomfortable, but I really like it.
57:23
And Willy's Wonderland is fun and people should watch it.
57:25
It's 90 minutes.
57:26
Fucking crush it. Yeah.
57:27
But it's only 20 if you skip all of it like Peter did.
57:30
Yeah, man. It rules just like kind of get all to the action.
57:34
You know, that might be a better way to watch that movie.
57:36
You can skip all the teenagers doing dumb shit
57:39
and you can just get like him fighting robots and playing pinball and dancing.
57:43
It rules. Yeah.
57:45
I think it would have been way better if it was just no dialogue
57:48
and fighting monsters.
57:50
There's like a couple lines of dialogue from the sheriff.
57:52
Look at guy who owned the place at the beginning and end of the movie.
57:55
That's all you need. Yep.
57:58
You know, it just came to me now,
57:59
but I do really like that he doesn't talk much like Link never talks.
58:04
So he's just your silent protagonist.
58:07
I did have a thought of he very much seemed like a video game protagonist.
58:11
He was literally just walking around quietly dealing with problems,
58:14
taking quests as presented to him and doing the quest.
58:18
Yeah, he would engage in conversations.
58:20
Now, if only the D and D players would do that.
58:23
Oh, well, shit.
58:26
Thanks for being here. Lunchbox.
58:27
Do you have anything that you want to pitch and promote?
58:30
Yeah. Where can people find you? Yeah.
58:32
I'm always terrible at this.
58:34
You can find me on Instagram is the main place I post my art at lunchbox underscore
58:38
ink with the K because I think I'm clever.
58:41
That's where I post all my drawings and my tattoo stuff, which is my day job.
58:44
I manager over a tattoo shop over by UNCC over here in Charlotte. Cool.
58:50
And then I do digital illustration and such on the side when I'm not busy drawing.
58:54
Mo
59:24
I'm going to remember again if I do.
59:25
That's awesome.
59:26
I hope it's exactly the same.
59:28
He has 118 films and he's five upcoming on according to be including another
59:36
Lords of War, which is now the Carpenter's Son.
59:40
Oh, yeah. The horror Jesus movie.
59:42
Yeah. Horror Jesus.
59:43
The Gunslingers, Long Legs and Noir TV series.
59:48
I'm assuming that's Spider-Man.
59:50
Yeah. But it only says two episodes.
59:52
Interesting. We'll find out.
59:54
So one hundred and twenty something cages on the horizon.
59:58
One hundred and twenty three.
59:59
Yeah, you got it.
1:00:00
Yeah, I can do this. It's like 50 something more.
1:00:03
It's great.
1:00:05
I feel like I hope they've gotten better as I've thought.
1:00:08
Do you have a favorite Nicholas Cage hairstyle or hairline to draw?
1:00:13
Oh, that's a really good question.
1:00:15
I appreciate that question.
1:00:17
Raising Arizona hair is fun.
1:00:19
Oh, like those fights. Good hair.
1:00:21
I've got to do a lot of long hair cages, a lot of facial hair cages.
1:00:26
I like drawing the facial hair cages.
1:00:27
You know, you get some more distinct.
1:00:29
You know, you get to have some fun in the chin area instead of having to get it
1:00:32
just right.
1:00:33
I will say I do not care for his beard in Willy's Wonderland.
1:00:38
I think it needs to come back along the under jaw portion more.
1:00:43
Agreed. Like he cuts it too far away from the Adam's apple.
1:00:47
Not his strongest beard he's had.
1:00:49
It's not like red.
1:00:51
It's not like drive angry or yeah. Yeah.
1:00:54
Or Pete.
1:00:55
He was solving. Yeah.
1:00:56
Beard makes a good beard.
1:00:57
Pigs a good beard.
1:00:59
And he wears a union suit.
1:01:01
I think it's at a list of like the Ray Ray Ray, his facial hair or body.
1:01:07
We talk about Stern and Bush.
1:01:08
I go by Stern and Bush a lot.
1:01:10
Which Sean's ex wife apparently.
1:01:14
Yeah. Meredith sent me a voice message last week being like,
1:01:18
you're going to think I'm stupid for this, but
1:01:22
I thought you were saying Stern man Bush for the longest time.
1:01:25
Not Stern and Bush.
1:01:27
Which is 100% what it's going to be from now on.
1:01:29
It is a stern man Bush.
1:01:31
Just a gruff pubic area.
1:01:34
Yeah, you get it.
1:01:36
Hmm. Stern man Bush.
1:01:37
So you need to rate the Bush and the like facial hair her move,
1:01:43
which while that art did have stern and Bush some, I believe.
1:01:46
They did. He did.
1:01:48
Also, how far back the hairline is.
1:01:50
The that too.
1:01:51
The chest hair in Wild at Heart always gets me because it looks like
1:01:55
he had it shaved in like a capital I and then grew the pack hair back out
1:02:01
like he had shaved it away previously.
1:02:03
It's just thicker in the center and the underlining.
1:02:07
Well, because Valley Girl would have been around before that.
1:02:11
So he probably was shaved.
1:02:13
Yeah. Is that the one review that's on the beach and had like a Y on it?
1:02:17
It looked like it was in a permissible shape.
1:02:19
Yeah. I remember Valley Girl.
1:02:22
It looks very strangely intentional.
1:02:24
Like God doesn't grow a facial just hair in this sort of shape.
1:02:30
Our God does. Nicholas Cage.
1:02:33
Last thoughts, anything?
1:02:35
Both these movies are worth watching. Go watch them.
1:02:37
Yeah. But definitely watch Wild at Heart when you're ready to pay attention.
1:02:41
Oh, yeah.
1:02:42
Willy's Wonderland. You can chill.
1:02:44
Yeah, that's Willy's Wonderland while you make dinner. Yeah.
1:02:48
But yeah, thank you for being here.
1:02:50
And anyone who is interested in chatting with us,
1:02:54
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1:03:17
Well, thanks so much for coming on.
1:03:18
Yeah, it was really nice to talk to you.
1:03:20
Thanks for having me. It was fun.
1:03:22
Yeah. Sometime when I go visit my brother down in Orlando,
1:03:25
I'll have to stop over
1:03:29
North Carolina and maybe get get a Nicolas Cage tattoo from you.
1:03:32
I have to tattoo Nick Cage at some point on somebody.
1:03:36
I am amazed you haven't.
1:03:38
Yeah, I don't know how I haven't.
1:03:40
Like I'll do it on myself. I need to tattoo myself several times.
1:03:43
I just started the project of tattooing my left arm, which has been fun.
1:03:47
Yeah, I hope to be your first person.
1:03:51
They're not non self non person.
1:03:53
Your first non person to tattoo Nick. I'm Nick.
1:03:58
You should get the pig from pig.
1:03:59
Oh, you should.
1:04:02
All right, man. Well, thank you so much for being here.
1:04:03
Thank you very much. Thanks for having me again.
1:04:06
You guys are. Bye bye.
1:04:10
Thank you.
1:04:13
Bye bye.
1:04:19
Now, just in case we need it,
1:04:21
I'm going to say we're going to talk to Darryl real quick about Bobby
1:04:25
Peru and put it in right here.
1:04:29
OK, we'll edit that out when we never get a hold of Darryl.
1:04:33
Correct. Yeah, OK.
1:04:39
I haven't seen that movie in such a long time.
1:04:41
My my real solid only memory of it.
1:04:44
Wait, there were tiny people in it at some point.
1:04:46
And then I think there was the like trash man,
1:04:51
like not trash person.
1:04:54
Let me rephrase.
1:04:55
There was the person by the dumpsters.
1:04:57
That's like a jump scare with the classic David Lynch like bar.
1:05:03
Just read trash bag out of nowhere.
1:05:06
Yeah, trash man.
1:05:08
That's all I remember.
1:05:09
I think there's a dead person.
1:05:10
Oh, no.