Latest / The Dr. Psych Mom Show with clinical psychologist Dr. Samantha Rodman Whiten / CEO's/Entrepreneurs: What Unique Relationship Issues Do They Have?
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- 0:05Hi everybody, and welcome to this episode of the doctor.
- 0:08Psych mom show today, I'm going to be talking about the unique
- 0:11relationship issues of CEOs, / entrepreneurs.
- 0:15I've written a lot about self-made, men and talked about
- 0:19that. So there's going to be some
- 0:20overlap with that. But there's a specific kind of
- 0:24personality type that I'm going to talk about today before I get
- 0:27to that, please do subscribe, my most recent subscriber episode
- 0:31was women, hate argue hours but I think God only Remembers but
- 0:35tomorrow's or in two days it's going to be unique relationship
- 0:38issues of doctors. So I'm going to do CEO /,
- 0:42entrepreneurs, doctors and lawyers.
- 0:44And then potentially I'm going to do other ones, you know, that
- 0:48comprise a large percent of my clients because that's, you
- 0:53know, who's relevant to me and who comes to see me.
- 0:56All right? So anyway let's Dive Right In.
- 0:58So what I'm talking about here is not so much like the
- 1:01corporate CEO type as like the guy who come up with his own
- 1:06product and basically made his own idea into a company and I
- 1:13work with a lot of these guys and in this I'm going to be
- 1:17talking about men who do this because that's the majority of
- 1:22the people I see in this situation and their marriages,
- 1:24they marry a kind of specific kind of woman so it can give you
- 1:29some, you know, like a little window into the fact, if you are
- 1:33in this situation on either side, Either the wife or the guy
- 1:37that you're not alone and that there are specific ways that
- 1:41this relationship usually goes and specific challenges.
- 1:44Okay? So let's look at the personality
- 1:46type. If you're the kind of person
- 1:48who's going to come up with your own idea and build it into a
- 1:51company, you're kind of an unusual person.
- 1:54Right? You're very unique and the most
- 1:59the biggest difference between these guys on other successful
- 2:03intelligent clients that I have. Is not in the successful or the
- 2:07intelligent. It's in the don't give a shit
- 2:09part like what I call the honey badger.
- 2:12Remember the honey badger on YouTube.
- 2:13Just Honey, Badger. Don't give a shit.
- 2:15You can Google this. You don't need to.
- 2:18It's really not that you don't need to.
- 2:20But anyway, there's a little honey badger, we go around being
- 2:23narrated and it was like Honey Badger.
- 2:26Don't give a shit honey badger. See something he wants.
- 2:29He just does it. Okay, that's like this
- 2:31entrepreneur guy. He just don't give a shit.
- 2:35Shit. And usually he has lower levels
- 2:37of fear and lower levels of rejection sensitivity than the
- 2:41average person. Which is why he was able to take
- 2:44what many people questioned being a good idea because people
- 2:47question every idea that isn't successful yet and he don't give
- 2:50a shit. So he was able to power through
- 2:52anyway. These guys on the positives,
- 2:55well first we'll do the positive so the don't give a shit.
- 2:57Obviously could go either way on the positive.
- 3:00They're very coachable. These are the people where they
- 3:03just love therapy. Oh my God.
- 3:05Love it. Like they love therapy.
- 3:06They love coaching and particular.
- 3:08They've had coaches before both fit in terms of sports because
- 3:12these guys are often have been athletic, and I'll get to why
- 3:16that is in a bit. That's my next big thing but
- 3:20they've been coached before, they have no rejection
- 3:23sensitivity. So these guys are like you tell
- 3:26him something. You'd be like oh you know you
- 3:28could do this better they're like so happy.
- 3:30But first I'll question you like 15 times.
- 3:32Why why could I do it better? Why is the way I'm doing it now?
- 3:35Not working because of the way I'm doing it.
- 3:36It does this, this this, what are you saying to me?
- 3:39And basically, if you, if you build a strong case, then they
- 3:42will literally switch. But they're doing that's
- 3:44unusual. It's unusual for somebody to not
- 3:46be very personally tied to a behavior and that is good.
- 3:51It can be linked to narcissism, right?
- 3:53Just like kind of thinking, everything kind of that, you're
- 3:56just such a great guy anyway that it like doesn't even matter
- 3:59any individual Behavior can be changed and you're still like a
- 4:01great guy so it can be linked to that, but that's also For better
- 4:05and For Worse doesn't have to necessarily be linked to that
- 4:09you know. And I'll talk about that as a
- 4:11potential issue being too self-absorbed.
- 4:14Right. But but in its best form, these
- 4:18people are just like the most coachable people ever because
- 4:21they just hate inefficiency. They love to be productive.
- 4:25So if they're going to have a 45-minute session, I'm going to
- 4:28tell them bullet points a through, you know, Jay to work
- 4:32on. They're going to fucking work on
- 4:33them. The ones that make sense to
- 4:34them. Are going to really work on, you
- 4:36know, and they'll work on it with the next thing that I'm
- 4:40going to talk about which is extremely high energy.
- 4:42So my friend dad starting over, I think I saw did a little video
- 4:47on this with somebody about like what's the secret behind
- 4:49successful men? They're very high energy.
- 4:52Well, that's true behind successful people in general but
- 4:55no more. Do you see this?
- 4:56No greater example is in the CEO entrepreneur guy.
- 5:00This guy usually sleeps very little, you know, and does it?
- 5:05Need to sleep more and just is unusually high energy.
- 5:09So that's why usually they were athletic.
- 5:12When they were young, they had like so much energy as a teenage
- 5:15boy that they needed in a best-case scenario.
- 5:17They got it out in sports, in a worst case.
- 5:18They got it out in delinquency, you know?
- 5:20But in a best case, they were on the football team and the
- 5:23basketball team and the baseball team, I like all the teams, you
- 5:26know, and that's just because it's a very high Baseline level
- 5:30of energy. So so far, we got that they're
- 5:33coachable and there's Smart obviously successful and
- 5:37high-energy what's not to love, right?
- 5:40So now let's go into what's not to love.
- 5:41What are their wives? Usually say they got low empathy
- 5:45you know, while they may be very personable guys and some of them
- 5:48are not, some of them have created their own businesses
- 5:51because they cannot get along with with other people.
- 5:53Particularly if they have ADHD or something, entrepreneurs
- 5:56often have ADHD and so like they just can't do anything boring
- 6:01and they don't really like Authority.
- 6:03So you know, like they I do their own thing and so.
- 6:07But anyway, so the, the high energy and coachable - and all
- 6:12of these things are great. But then, they don't have
- 6:15empathy for people who aren't like that, because they're so
- 6:18unusual on certain domains that they just cannot even really
- 6:21imagine what it's like to be a low-energy and secure person.
- 6:26And what am I describing many women?
- 6:28Honestly you know my it's it's I talk constantly about there are
- 6:33very high rates of depression And anxiety diagnosed in women
- 6:37and forget about what's not diagnosed, you know, because
- 6:40most people don't get anything diagnosed.
- 6:42So they're very high rates of depression, anxiety, and women,
- 6:44and both of these things. Make people rejection sensitive
- 6:47insecure and low energy anxiety. You don't always have to be low
- 6:50energy, depression, you certainly are as a woman.
- 6:52I've written about this all the time, atypical depression,
- 6:55Google it or look it up on my show but it anyway.
- 6:58So what happens is, I see this all the time.
- 7:01The man is in his 20s or 30s. He marries a woman that's at
- 7:04really Apex of her mental and physical health.
- 7:07That's not had any children that is just floored and adoring, you
- 7:12know, floored by him so impressed by him and adoring,
- 7:15and her libido is artificially inflated as I've discussed in
- 7:19the honeymoon, stage is this little era where your libido is
- 7:23at its Max. Now, these guys between their
- 7:25high energy and the fact that they, you know, can create a
- 7:29schedule where they can work out multiple times and days of dyes
- 7:32their libido. Also stays very, very high.
- 7:35Hi. Usually the entrepreneur guys.
- 7:37Like this are very high libido. So finally, they met their match
- 7:41or maybe close to their match. They think in bed and she's also
- 7:45does sports. Or it goes least goes to the
- 7:47gym. And she's up for anything, and
- 7:49she's adorable, and beautiful great.
- 7:52They get married. So what happens?
- 7:54Obviously they have children and her any latent mental, or
- 7:57physical, health issues, that you was going to have come out
- 8:01with the stress and with the hormonal changes on the
- 8:03biological changes and Just literally does not understand,
- 8:07literally, he doesn't understand at all, and he thinks she's
- 8:11bullshitting because in his mind, the only way, like, even
- 8:15with the flu, these men usually go to the office or they at
- 8:18least are answering their emails.
- 8:19So they're unusually high energy, unusually high like a
- 8:23freak energy, you know, and I'll admit it, you know what they
- 8:27laugh, you know, if you say that but the women are normal and
- 8:33within normal. So within So before let's say
- 8:36they, they got married and everything.
- 8:38They were, let's say, at the, in the plus one standard deviation
- 8:42for energy and now they're in the minus one standard
- 8:45deviation. So there's still an average, but
- 8:47they're on the, the, the opposite side of the mean,
- 8:50right? The guy just literally doesn't
- 8:52understand. He doesn't understand low libido
- 8:54because he's never had it. He doesn't understand low energy
- 8:56because he's never had it, and he doesn't understand rejection
- 8:59sensitivity, because truly he's never had it.
- 9:01So now, he feels like he's walking on eggshells around.
- 9:05Somebody that he frequently feels must have bait and switch
- 9:07to him because he cannot possibly understand because
- 9:10these guys don't have ups and downs there.
- 9:14I read something once called the hypomanic American entrepreneur.
- 9:17Was the title. That's the truth.
- 9:19You know, a lot of these entrepreneurs CEO guys are in a
- 9:23constant state of hypomania, you know, and hypomania is little
- 9:27Mania. So, like a manic episode.
- 9:29For example, is when you gamble away all your life savings and
- 9:32you, you know, start a business and it fails.
- 9:35As and you sleep with, you know, 30 prostitutes, that's like a
- 9:38manic phase for a guy with bipolar disorder.
- 9:41Let's say hypomania, it doesn't have to be in context of bipolar
- 9:46disorder can be kind of almost a constant state and that's what
- 9:49this article was saying that many entrepreneurs have.
- 9:52And that's what I think too. Is there in this lower level of
- 9:56mania? We're just, they have so much
- 9:58energy. They do build businesses, but
- 10:01they don't have the impeded judgment that you have it, a
- 10:04full-blown manic. Episode.
- 10:05So the business is work, the ideas work, everything works,
- 10:08you need less sleep, but you always need less sleep.
- 10:11So they're basically all the ways a little bit Manic and
- 10:15then, the wife, if she turns out to be depressed or anxious,
- 10:18she's like, on the opposite side of the spectrum.
- 10:21They literally cannot understand.
- 10:23They think she's lying, like, who would need nine hours of
- 10:26sleep? Well, a depressed person would,
- 10:28or a person who just needs a lot of sleep, but they've never
- 10:30needed nine hours of sleep in their life.
- 10:32These are people that tell me I didn't sleep last night and they
- 10:35They look the same, like they present the same in the session.
- 10:38So, you know, it's very hard to empathize with something that
- 10:43you've never experienced the average man.
- 10:45Although has more physical energy than the average woman,
- 10:47still has felt felled by episodes of depression, or low
- 10:51energy, or physical illness, or things like that.
- 10:54I'm not saying these guys don't get sick, they're not like, you
- 10:56know, superhuman but think the sickness is not doesn't come out
- 11:00the same way because of naturally, super elevated,
- 11:03energy levels, So, they just cannot understand.
- 11:06And so, and the rejection sensitivity.
- 11:08So this is how usually goes. We have a session, I say, you
- 11:11got to work on this. This this, this they say, okay,
- 11:13fine and I turn to the wife and if I were to use the same tone,
- 11:18she would burst into tears so I don't use the same.
- 11:21Do you know? And I say maybe you could work
- 11:23on this one thing, right? And so then sometimes he'll be
- 11:26like we're why do I get like three things to work on?
- 11:28She gets one thing to work on well because she's a like a more
- 11:31normal person that would, you know, be overwhelmed.
- 11:35I'd buy the idea of three things to work on it one.
- 11:37So of course we're going to get there over time, but instead,
- 11:41you got to look at yourself as a non normative person.
- 11:44That'll be like, oh yeah, you don't like these three things
- 11:46about my personality. I'm gonna think about that.
- 11:48All right, well, maybe I'll try, why not?
- 11:50Let's not like an average way to respond.
- 11:53It's the way to respond. That is characteristic of
- 11:55somebody with no fear and this is like for better and For
- 11:59Worse. No fear is is endemic to this
- 12:02character when else can this Relationship, go awry, another
- 12:06area related to lack of empathy is if this guy has a sensitive
- 12:11child particularly sensitive son then he's going to be like what
- 12:15in the fuck, you know, because this kid is nothing like him.
- 12:18And this kid is more like the mother in that, they are
- 12:21rejection sensitive and they may cry and like let's say they do
- 12:25bad at baseball. So the dad is this entrepreneur,
- 12:28CEO guys. Like alright, you did bad at
- 12:30baseball so you're not so good at baseball.
- 12:32I'm gonna get you a coach right? And then you're going to get
- 12:34better at Baseball and the mothers like he hates baseball,
- 12:38he cried the whole season because he's so shady, a
- 12:40baseball. Why does he have to do baseball,
- 12:42you know, and so the father cannot really empathize with how
- 12:46the average person especially or sensitive person in particular
- 12:50would feel about being so bad at baseball for an entire season.
- 12:53They cannot really imagine that level of humiliation because
- 12:57they don't really get that feeling the same way so they can
- 13:01get it. And so then it turns into a
- 13:03conflict where the mother thinks.
- 13:05The father's being a huge asshole and she becomes a mama
- 13:07bear and comes out and protect her kids against him and it
- 13:11becomes me versus you in the marriage.
- 13:13Visa Vie parenting. And that's another very big
- 13:16conflict area that I work with couples on.
- 13:19And now the last one, of course, goes a long with, you know, the
- 13:25very nature of a large change in in financial station.
- 13:31And I've talked about this, a lot with the have an episode
- 13:34called camp, Buy Me Love. So a lot of these guys are
- 13:36obviously making a lot of money and sometimes that happens very
- 13:39quickly. And anything, any change that
- 13:41happens, very quickly is destabilizing to the person and
- 13:44to the relationship. So that what that means is that
- 13:49this guy's very, very happy makes a lot of money and the
- 13:52wife may not be so happy like. Yeah, okay.
- 13:55But like it's nice but she doesn't necessarily want
- 13:58whatever the hell is going to come with that.
- 14:00She liked it more when he was starting out and they were like
- 14:03more normal. But as the money gets more and
- 14:06more frequently, the wife, despite what you know, the
- 14:09manosphere says about women being gold diggers, the wife
- 14:12gets very uncomfortable and she feels like now all the things
- 14:16he's forcing her to do. She has like, no excuse, not to
- 14:19do. So, he'll want a like you let's
- 14:21say, oh, why don't we go on Safari?
- 14:22That'd be like a cool family vacation, why don't we?
- 14:25You know, take the kids out of school, which is going to go
- 14:28around on a boat. We're gonna do World schooling
- 14:31or like, you know because these are outside the box thinkers.
- 14:35So they'll be outside, the box was parenting.
- 14:37They'll be outside the box with do the kids really need to go to
- 14:39school. They'll be outside the box with
- 14:40everything and the woman is like, I don't want to go on
- 14:44Safari. I barely want to get on a plane
- 14:46at all, you know, I I'm tired, we got these children, they have
- 14:49their activities. I want a nice normal life, so
- 14:52this guy doesn't want a normal life.
- 14:53He's never wanted a normal life. He doesn't really have a desire
- 14:56to fit in that much, you know, so they can come into conflict
- 15:00over this. Particularly when the money
- 15:03makes these problems. Relevant.
- 15:05So the guy in the man's mind. He'll say.
- 15:08All right. Fine.
- 15:09I want to take the kids out of school for your, I'll hire
- 15:11tutors. Now, you don't have anything to
- 15:12say and she doesn't have anything to say also because
- 15:15she's the personality type, that was so wowed by him in the
- 15:18beginning, was somebody who had nothing to say, you know, whose
- 15:21struggles with expressing herself and being assertive that
- 15:25person is drawn to the entrepreneur CEO guy like a moth
- 15:28to a flame. She's so fascinated by him and
- 15:31she'll also deal with what does as I alluded to earlier.
- 15:34Times come out as pretty narcissistic traits, you know.
- 15:37So she'll deal with that because he's so amazing.
- 15:40She's never seen anybody that can exert themselves and move
- 15:44through life like a hot knife through butter.
- 15:46But then when he says no here, I'm going to give you like this
- 15:49PowerPoint of reasons why we can do whatever I want now because I
- 15:54have made it so we can afford it.
- 15:56Then she frequently doesn't know how to say but I don't want that
- 15:59I've never wanted that. I just wanted really like a nice
- 16:02happy family life with it, kind of alpha.
- 16:05Husband. But now it's gone beyond that
- 16:08into where he's out earned, any boundary in his mind or any
- 16:12social construct, he doesn't have to play Within the, the Box
- 16:16anymore. So he's very mad that she still
- 16:19wants to. Now where else, of course, does
- 16:22this, you know, where is this relevant with the sex life?
- 16:25So Can't Buy Me. Love as I talked about not
- 16:28podcast when men make a lot of money and it doesn't have to be
- 16:31all at once or in this, you know, amazing.
- 16:34Amazing way or you know, whatever that I'm saying with
- 16:37these specific guys who have this idea and then it you know
- 16:40turns into a reality or that's a unique situation.
- 16:43But with anybody makes a lot of money, any man who makes a lot
- 16:46of money or any woman, but for the women it's really not
- 16:49usually about sex. It's about other things like
- 16:53deeper fulfillment. As I discussed in the podcast,
- 16:56the wife who wants more and her annoyingly satisfied husband
- 16:59that Dynamic amplifies when there's more money as well.
- 17:02But in this specific case when the man has so much Money.
- 17:05But he wants to be, not only so much money by the way, but also
- 17:10an outside the box thinker in every way he wants to have the
- 17:13love life. Commensurate with this with
- 17:16this. I ideology of I can do anything,
- 17:18I want. If I just try hard enough and
- 17:21then frequently, he still can't get laid for shit with his wife.
- 17:25The woman that he loves with whom.
- 17:26He wanted to build this loving relationship because obviously,
- 17:29any man can cheat, but, you know, who cares?
- 17:33Like they don't want to cheat, you know. 80% of men don't
- 17:36cheat. So therefore it doesn't really
- 17:38make a difference that they can, it just makes it seem more
- 17:43unfair that the woman will not sleep with them or be
- 17:46affectionate to them or be happy with them or whatever the case
- 17:49may be. Because in every other aspect of
- 17:52their life they get what they want.
- 17:53And so that can that the end and sometimes you know, before
- 17:58therapy they can actually say things like this.
- 18:00Basically, like you are the only person that that acts like this.
- 18:04With me, you are the only person.
- 18:06I can't convince of anything. You are the only person who
- 18:09actively dislikes me, you know that may not be true.
- 18:12You know what a certain point you just surround yourself with
- 18:14zika fans and therefore everybody likes you because
- 18:16everybody's working for you, you know but but still it feels to
- 18:19the man like she is the only bottleneck in his life and
- 18:22particularly sexually which is the most important thing.
- 18:25Even for these guys, you know, that are coming up with their
- 18:28own ideas and do all these things and living you know this
- 18:31wonderful life, it others would think they could still be
- 18:34extraordinary. Narrowly miserable if they're
- 18:36not having sex. And, and as I've discussed so
- 18:39many times, not just about sex. It's what sex means.
- 18:42Now for these guys, it doesn't just mean love, it means it does
- 18:48mean, it means play too, but it also means like, outside the box
- 18:54like thinking, so they don't just want sex.
- 18:57They're always very high, libido least when they're younger, but
- 19:00they want like Like an interesting exciting sex life
- 19:05that is in a ratio with the how they view everything they want.
- 19:09An interesting exciting, exciting outside the box version
- 19:12of everything. So the sex life is no different,
- 19:16you know? And so, if not only are they
- 19:18stopped from getting this interesting outside the box, sex
- 19:21life, you know, where they're engaging in fantasy play and and
- 19:24whatever else, you know, whatever their Kink is, or
- 19:27explore and Kings, or whatever. Not only are they stopped from
- 19:30doing that, which they feel they were We're in for, but they're
- 19:34not even having sex at all. It can seem extremely unfair and
- 19:40not understandable and they get kind of matter than the average
- 19:45person. Because usually they're used to
- 19:47things going their way even when things are hard.
- 19:50So, these are the guys who really try to hack their wife's
- 19:53sex drive, who are reading everything under the sun, the
- 19:57same, as they would do, Infinity research to create a new widget
- 20:00in their business. They do Infinity.
- 20:02Research about their wife sex drive, and how to be a better
- 20:05lover. And how did this?
- 20:06And how to that and HRT and everything.
- 20:09And the more that they research it, of course, she feels like
- 20:13she's, you know, I always say like, a Sudoku puzzle that he's
- 20:16trying to solve. She feels more and more
- 20:18emotionally distant from him. He doesn't listen to her about
- 20:21the fact that some more empathy would go a long way or that,
- 20:24maybe they should just stay home for a weekend, or that she
- 20:27doesn't want to go do World schooling or like, whatever the
- 20:30case may be, you know, And they just use World School accessible
- 20:34on a TV show. I don't yet have any clients
- 20:36that want to do World schooling but this is when you travel
- 20:40around and the children learn from every place you go to about
- 20:43the world. Are you stabbing?
- 20:43Sounds cool. In theory, if you have Infinity
- 20:46energy, which egg is exactly my point.
- 20:48That women usually don't have and these men, especially do.
- 20:52But anyway, so the wife is like, why are you researching ways to
- 20:57give me, multiple orgasms. I would just like to kind of
- 21:01cuddle and hang out. Out and talk as a first step.
- 21:04And he is so through Ward. It Feels So thwarted, and
- 21:09restrained, and constricted that it's like almost impossible for
- 21:13him to see, you know, that her perspective.
- 21:16And this is, of course, what couples counseling can help
- 21:17with. And again, these guys are very
- 21:19responsive to therapy as long as they click with the therapist.
- 21:22Because as you may be able to tell from what I'm saying, they
- 21:25don't click with everybody, all right?
- 21:28So if you are in this situation, uniquely, this is a podcast that
- 21:32I would anybody in this situation should share it with
- 21:35their spouse, either the wife or the husband.
- 21:37Because, as I said, these guys uniquely like to hear feedback
- 21:40about themselves and the woman feels understood by what I've
- 21:44said about what his problems are.
- 21:46So this is one that, you know, usually I say listen, don't
- 21:49share my stuff. If they don't want to hear it,
- 21:50just summarize it. But this is one, I can't
- 21:53imagine. Anybody would really take
- 21:54offense to because I think it's really fairly straightforward
- 21:58and unbiased on both sides of the positives and negatives.
- 22:02And in this Dynamic but I mean, who knows maybe.
- 22:05Yeah, maybe I'm wrong. And if your wife says listen I
- 22:07really don't want to hear you ever suggest another podcast by
- 22:10this fuck ever again. Then, although she said this
- 22:14fuck, she would probably like the podcast.
- 22:16But if she says that woman or something, just don't send them.
- 22:19Listen to them and process them. And talk about the ideas that
- 22:24will do more for your relationship than anything.
- 22:26All right? Hopefully you found this
- 22:27interesting and I'll talk to you all soon.
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