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[#11] Naked Awareness Spontaneously Arising (Oct 2026) · Lama Lena Teachings

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  SPEAKER_00: Tell me when I'm live.
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  SPEAKER_00: You are live.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I need to hear those words.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was just getting there, as you asked.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hi.
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  SPEAKER_01: So apparently, I am alive.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is our day for the Guru Rinpoche text that we've been working on for a while.
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  SPEAKER_00: So with that said, let's go ahead.
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  SPEAKER_01: Remember the beginning of everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Arising of Buddhicita and the Taking of Refuge,
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  SPEAKER_01: which combine together in Guru Yoga, if properly done.
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  SPEAKER_01: You see, it's about the recognition that all Buddhas of the fourth time,
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  SPEAKER_01: that's all Buddhas of the past, all Buddhas of the present,
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  SPEAKER_01: all Buddhas of the future, in the eternal now beyond time and space,
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  SPEAKER_01: They are all Buddhas.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that these Buddhas arise from sentient beings,
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  SPEAKER_01: each single sentient being
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  SPEAKER_01: at their time of recognition.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there is no separation between your root guru,
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  SPEAKER_01: the lineage in which they have received their teachings,
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  SPEAKER_01: Kuntuzangpo, Kuntuzangmo,
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  SPEAKER_01: Dorjichang, etc.,
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  SPEAKER_01: who are symbols of primordial Buddhahood and all Buddhas
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  SPEAKER_01: of the fourth time, which is in no way different from all sentient beings
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  SPEAKER_01: of the three realms.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is why both Bodhisitta and Refuge are contained in Guru Yoga.
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  SPEAKER_01: Guru Yoga is not about some guy sitting on a throne.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a symbol for those who happen to want that particular symbol and think it's pretty.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's much deeper than that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't get caught up in the personalities of those who teach.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're all weird.
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  SPEAKER_01: . . . . .
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  SPEAKER_02: Kuntuzangbo gompo ye, Dorje Sampagarab dorjitam,
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  SPEAKER_01: Shere singe bardushin labdi.
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  SPEAKER_01: De dammapsan tatta tusum chi, Zobchen
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  SPEAKER_02: jupe lama la solo wadeb.
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  SPEAKER_02: Urgyen bhamma junila solo wadib.
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  SPEAKER_01: Durjichang, Chichelo Narudang,
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  SPEAKER_01: Marpa Milagompo Tsatsapa, Na Pupadang,
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  SPEAKER_01: Palden Drupasuk, Karkyu Lama
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  SPEAKER_02: Namla Soluwa Debe,
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  SPEAKER_01: Ochen Lama Namla Soluwa Debe,
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  SPEAKER_01: Ndruchen Lama
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  SPEAKER_02: Namla Soluadev.
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  SPEAKER_02: Kaginwari Lama Namla Soluadev.
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  SPEAKER_01: Shakya Lama Namla Soluadev.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nyandudayundran Lama Namla Soluadev.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ahadib, Palkandujongdangi
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeramaypa,
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  SPEAKER_01: Gungarabdurjijyantragpa,
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  SPEAKER_01: Jethidangnisumeipay,
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  SPEAKER_01: Palamanamchitante,
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  SPEAKER_01: Erchong.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: What chapter did they think we were on?
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  SPEAKER_00: 18.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then, as for the instruction for exhausting
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  SPEAKER_01: The six extremes and overthrowing them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even though there exist a great many different views that do not agree among themselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: This mind, which is your own intrinsic awareness,
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  SPEAKER_01: is in fact self-originated primal awareness.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mind, what do we mean by mind?
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  SPEAKER_01: Sem. Semnique.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is both the thinker
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  SPEAKER_01: of the thoughts and that which is beyond thought.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thoughts are small.
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  SPEAKER_01: They tend to be specific and very fast moving.
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  SPEAKER_01: They arise and they vanish quite quickly and then you get another one,
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  SPEAKER_01: then you get another one, then you get another one and so ad infinitum.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not the what you're thinking that matters.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who cares what you're thinking?
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  SPEAKER_01: You care what you think?
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  SPEAKER_01: You shouldn't.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you care what you think, go into a small room by yourself for 10 minutes
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  SPEAKER_01: and say out loud everything you think.
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  SPEAKER_01: This will bring to your conscious attention just how stupid most of it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, another person or two have braved the weather.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're having floods down here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my front porch is still above water.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it's up to the first step.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, slightly below, but it's trying to get there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, small puddle.
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  SPEAKER_01: Needs boots.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wear shorts.
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  SPEAKER_01: Unchat, please.
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  SPEAKER_01: These were thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: About the rain, about the flooding, about how to get about in the flooding.
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  SPEAKER_01: See them?
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  SPEAKER_01: All gone.
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  SPEAKER_01: They happen and then thoughts move on to the next thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where?
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  SPEAKER_01: Where does this occur?
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  SPEAKER_01: Not what.
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  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter whether you think about the weather or persimmons.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or how to make pickled pork.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can think all sorts of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can think about all the ways that people have wronged you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whether they actually did or not, you can find some way to feel righteously angered.
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  SPEAKER_01: Should you choose, you can think about all the kindness you have received in life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you can find some way to feel grateful, should you choose.
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  SPEAKER_01: But really, you're not that much in control of what's coming through,
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  SPEAKER_01: and it's mostly pretty silly.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, don't pay it.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, never mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: Look past the itty-bitty, silly,
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  SPEAKER_01: mundane, foolish thoughts that we all think.
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  SPEAKER_01: At the vast openness
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  SPEAKER_01: in which they arise and vanish.
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  SPEAKER_01: Phenomena, stuff, inner phenomena, thoughts,
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  SPEAKER_01: feelings, sensations, outer phenomena,
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  SPEAKER_01: rivers, trees, weather, objects, furniture that needs dusting,
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  SPEAKER_01: All phenomena, whether inner or outer, is arising in your mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you think you see a coffee cup in the hand of me,
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  SPEAKER_01: you are making several assumptions due to past experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: Most people who know me know the requirements of coffee.
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  SPEAKER_01: In order to be at least a kinda sorta maybe nice person.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those who have met me without coffee understand the safety of placing a coffee cup in my hand.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because of this, everybody assumes that it's coffee in this opaque jug.
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  SPEAKER_01: Might be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Might be whiskey.
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  SPEAKER_01: Might be coffee with whiskey.
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  SPEAKER_01: Might be plain water.
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  SPEAKER_01: Might be Dootsie.
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  SPEAKER_01: Assumptions occur based on past experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if your past experience,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is the stories you tell yourself about the past,
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  SPEAKER_01: is mostly stories about people being mean to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: You will project that onto your current experiences,
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  SPEAKER_01: whether it is currently happening or not,
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  SPEAKER_01: and it will prove you right that the world is a mean place,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is your assumption.
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  SPEAKER_01: If your past experiences Have been mostly of people being kind to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then you will project that upon what is happening in your current reality.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you will create experiences that prove you right.
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  SPEAKER_01: The world is a nice place.
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  SPEAKER_01: All you've got are stories.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you see an object, you don't see
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  SPEAKER_01: A mug.
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  SPEAKER_01: What you see is in your eyes, there's cones and rods.
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  SPEAKER_01: You see shape.
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  SPEAKER_01: With the rods, you see shapes, gradations of color,
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  SPEAKER_01: but it's all in black and white and shades of gray.
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  SPEAKER_01: With the cones in your eyeball in the retina, you see color.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're up in here as the channels go up and carry it through here,
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  SPEAKER_01: where they go around here and then they go back down to the heart.
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  SPEAKER_01: So somewhere up around here,
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  SPEAKER_01: the shape and the color come together and become a thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is why this is the chakra of form, the OM, the seed syllable of form.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you decide that this shape and color, which you have seen many times before,
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  SPEAKER_01: is Lena's coffee cup.
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  SPEAKER_01: Might be.
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  SPEAKER_01: They'll never really know.
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  SPEAKER_01: None of us will ever really know.
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  SPEAKER_01: So these phenomena Inner and outer,
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  SPEAKER_01: which are not actually separate since the outer is made of the inner
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  SPEAKER_01: and they're all stuck together in a bilbla,
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  SPEAKER_01: entanglement, creates your reality.
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  SPEAKER_00: So mind is where this happens.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your mind is the thinker of thoughts, the feeler of feelings,
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  SPEAKER_01: the perceiver of perceptions, the experiencer of experiences.
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  SPEAKER_01: In order for all this to fit in your mind, it's gonna have to be pretty big.
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  SPEAKER_01: For instance, think of the galaxy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Think of The local galaxies
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  SPEAKER_01: which orbit around a still point in a formation called
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  SPEAKER_01: the local group.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is astronomy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Note that they have discovered that there are quite a number of still points
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  SPEAKER_01: with local groups of galaxies orbiting around them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it seems that a not very local
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  SPEAKER_01: but more local group of local groups Are orbiting
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  SPEAKER_01: in a pattern around another still point.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can imagine this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it's big, but you can imagine it.
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  SPEAKER_01: As far as your imagination extends, your mind extends.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty big.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let us be on the same channel with when we say mind, what we are talking about.
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  SPEAKER_01: Big, vast,
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  SPEAKER_01: contains the ideas of red,
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  SPEAKER_01: yellow, blue, square, round, geometry,
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  SPEAKER_01: algebra, physics, science, myth,
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  SPEAKER_01: But is not limited to this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Therefore, it is bigger.
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  SPEAKER_01: Too big to actually have such characteristics encompass it.
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  SPEAKER_01: For it encompasses them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Following me so far?
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  SPEAKER_01: So, this is why we say it is empty.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is not empty.
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  SPEAKER_01: Shall we say empty of thought, assumptions, perceptions and movement?
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  SPEAKER_01: It is empty of characteristics because it's too big
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  SPEAKER_01: to be stuffed into any such definition.
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  SPEAKER_01: So big it doesn't even have
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  SPEAKER_01: a center or an edge.
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  SPEAKER_01: Imagine that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now this mind, which we all have,
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  SPEAKER_01: relates to the world as I, me.
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  SPEAKER_01: When we speak of awareness, natural awareness, intrinsic awareness means natural awareness.
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  SPEAKER_01: When we speak of natural awareness,
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  SPEAKER_01: that's what's looking out from behind your eyes As most Tibetans
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  SPEAKER_01: and Westerners experience it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Very visual cultures.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's what's listening out from behind your ears.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's that which feels tactile sensations.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this mind, which is your own intrinsic awareness,
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  SPEAKER_01: the looker, the seer,
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  SPEAKER_01: the hearer, the feeler,
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  SPEAKER_01: is in fact self-originated primal awareness.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is, it's always been there.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not always been thinking the same thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not always followed the same patterns.
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  SPEAKER_01: In previous lives and in future lives, your patterns will be different.
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  SPEAKER_01: Take this to heart if you're stuck in a difficult one.
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  SPEAKER_01: So self-originated means nobody made it.
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  SPEAKER_01: God didn't make it.
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  SPEAKER_01: You didn't make it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your parents didn't make it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's always been there.
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  SPEAKER_01: This primal awareness is not what is aware
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  SPEAKER_01: That's changing, that's moving.
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  SPEAKER_01: The awareness is the seer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, I'm giving you this in its most minimalist version.
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  SPEAKER_01: In actuality, the awareness is
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  SPEAKER_01: Is supported by being aware of this and that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Without needing support.
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  SPEAKER_01: Trying to point at dancing stillness.
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  SPEAKER_01: That infinite vast awareness just as it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Without all the things it projects and becomes aware of.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is in and of itself both enlightened and confused.
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  SPEAKER_01: That which arises within it is frequently confused.
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  SPEAKER_01: It itself is completely aware and open and enlightened.
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  SPEAKER_01: These two realities are not in disagreement with each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is the essence of Dancing Stillness, Trultra.
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  SPEAKER_01: With regard to this,
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  SPEAKER_01: the observer
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  SPEAKER_01: and the process observing are not two different things.
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  SPEAKER_01: What I just said, the seer, the observer,
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  SPEAKER_01: the awareness and that which it sees and the process
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  SPEAKER_01: of seeing are actually not separate.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the dancing stillness
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  SPEAKER_01: where the moving that which is there
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  SPEAKER_01: from beginningless time has never moved inherent stillness,
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  SPEAKER_01: the vast openness of mind itself and all that which dances within it is not made
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  SPEAKER_01: of anything other than it does not come from anywhere else is arising
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  SPEAKER_01: and vanishing right there.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it has no inherent existence other than this.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you look and observe, see if you can see
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  SPEAKER_00: the one who is looking and observing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or in the text, when you look and observe, seeking the one who is looking and observing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Since you search for this observer and do not find any such one that is separate
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  SPEAKER_01: from the observation or the observing.
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  SPEAKER_01: But take a minute to look at this.
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  SPEAKER_01: You, looking out for behind your own eyes,
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  SPEAKER_01: seeing whatever things are in front of you, making assumptions about them,
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  SPEAKER_01: Being changed by those assumptions.
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  SPEAKER_01: I assume that I am broadcasting this randomly to sentient beings.
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  SPEAKER_01: This assumption changes me.
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  SPEAKER_01: You assume that I am whatever you choose to assume I am.
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  SPEAKER_01: That assumption changes how you feel about my words.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you see the entanglement here?
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  SPEAKER_01: How we're all sort of stuck in a bilblah of existence together, changing each other,
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  SPEAKER_01: creating each other, with nothing at all being changed or created?
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  SPEAKER_01: Watch it happen for a moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Look out from behind your eyes and try to see the looker.
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  SPEAKER_01: Close your eyes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is no one in there anymore without looking?
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  SPEAKER_01: It ends.
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  SPEAKER_00: Having your eyes open or closed in this moment actually change anything?
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  SPEAKER_01: About where or who or what the looker is when you take away sight.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can also stick your fingers in your ears and take that one away.
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  SPEAKER_01: It won't make any change.
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  SPEAKER_01: What looks? Try to find it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Take a moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you look and observe, seeking the one who is looking and observing
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  SPEAKER_01: in this very moment, do this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't think about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Look.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't argue with me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't argue with yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: And don't try to put it all in words.
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  SPEAKER_01: You'll flatten it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just try to find the seeer right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing to find.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing which is red, nothing which is blue, nothing which is round,
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  SPEAKER_01: nothing which is oblong,
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  SPEAKER_00: nothing which is to the left or the right,
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  SPEAKER_01: nothing which is inside or outside.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can look in all the directions you can imagine
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  SPEAKER_01: and not find the one who looks.
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  SPEAKER_01: Poetically, this is called staring into your own eyes and trying to see who's in there.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's an analogy. Don't actually get a mirror and try this.
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  SPEAKER_01: It won't help.
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  SPEAKER_01: Search. Find the observer.
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  SPEAKER_01: As you look and look and you seek for as long as necessary,
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  SPEAKER_01: To discover that you are not
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  SPEAKER_00: finding anything in there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you can make up a story.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh yes, there's a dragon in there.
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  SPEAKER_01: A unicorn, an octopus.
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  SPEAKER_01: In my last life I was a daka, a dakini.
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  SPEAKER_01: A cloud.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you can make so many stories,
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  SPEAKER_01: but you're making them up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Be aware.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cleanly without stories. Take a look.
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  SPEAKER_01: See if you can see the looker.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is in the not finding him
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  SPEAKER_01: That your view is exhausted and overthrown.
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  SPEAKER_01: In that moment, do not attempt to save yourself by sticking something in there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thus, even though it is the end of your view,
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  SPEAKER_01: It is the beginning with respect to the totality of yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: View, Tawa.
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  SPEAKER_01: We all have a view of mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: We look at mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when you seek the looker who looks,
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  SPEAKER_01: there is no one looking.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in that recognition, the view collapses.
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  SPEAKER_01: All your assumptions and belief systems and descriptive words and experiences
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  SPEAKER_01: about it go...
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  SPEAKER_01: And you're left
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  SPEAKER_01: with naked awareness.
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  SPEAKER_01: Which arises spontaneously when you leave room
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  SPEAKER_01: for it by letting go of all the assumptions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Both the view itself and the one
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  SPEAKER_00: who is viewing, seeing, looking.
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  SPEAKER_01: Are not found to exist anywhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: Don't plug this hole with the story.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the first instinct when you first see this is to go eek, shove, shove, shove,
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  SPEAKER_01: shove, stuff in it.
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  SPEAKER_01: See if you can refrain for a moment from making up a story.
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  SPEAKER_01: Although the view and the one who is seeing the view,
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: the seer and what is seen,
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: are not found to exist anywhere.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: Without its falling excessively into emptiness and non-existence,
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: even at the beginning, at this very moment,
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: Your own present awareness,
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: just as it is, becomes lucidly clear.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Just this is the view
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: or the way of seeing of the great perfection of Zogchen.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: Therefore, understanding and not understanding Are not two different things.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: If this chapter went in,
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: you understand how confusion arises as wisdom and wisdom as confusion.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: So it's worth putting some attention into.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: Are there questions?
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: One moment.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: Here it is.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: One of our Spanish viewers asks,
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: does consciousness need a body to, quote, realize,
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: end of quote, that is to be aware of itself?
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't really work like that.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: You see, The concept of body.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: A jellyfish has no nervous system, but it has a body.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: Can it think?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: A star has no nervous system.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: Does it even have a body?
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: Is it alive? Does it think?
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: Beings who are made of mathematical sets
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: and constructs in that way,
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: living off in the seventh dimension, do not have what you would consider a body,
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: but they have what they might consider their form
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: as differentiated from a different
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Equations form.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I would say not a body as you think of it,
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: but generally sentient beings define themselves within some kind of boundary.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: However big that boundary is,
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: does the galaxy think it's a being?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: Do the stars?
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: Do the planets?
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: We talk about this planet, Gaia, and her immune system,
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: the Mamos, as
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: if she were a woman.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: Does she think so?
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: You...
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you have a nervous system and flesh and blood, but you also have a biome,
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: which has a great deal of effect on what you do.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: There is a parasite that spends part of its life,
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: in order to reproduce,
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: it needs to be in a cat and in the feces of a cat.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: However, it also has part of its life cycle in rodents and other mammals.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: Generally, a being
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: who has this parasite who is not a cat becomes fond of cats
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: and goes towards cats even if they're a mouse,
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: which is how the cats eat the mouse and catch the mouse because it's lost its fear
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: of cats.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: Think of it. Are you a cat person?
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: You or it?
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: There's many others. There's things that kids get that makes them want to eat dirt.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: It lives in the dirt.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: There's, well, you ever have a yeast overgrowth?
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: They like sugar.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: You get a yeast overgrowth and man, you want sugar.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll pass you a question that Lama Yeshe once gave me on this topic.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: There was a poor man.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: He had no money.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: But he did have a yeast overgrowth in his biome.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: So he wanted sugar.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: Those yeast wanted sugar so much that this poor man stole a donut and ate it.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Later, both he and the yeast died, although this occurred at different times.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: Who got the karma of
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: stealing the donut, him or the yeast?
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: As they went on to incarnate separately.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: Lama Yeshe was very good about gifting questions rather than answers.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: So think about it.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: Do you actually have a body?
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: How many people do you share it with?
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: When you reincarnate, Which part of you will reincarnate to your future life
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: and which part of you will go off with some aspect of your biome
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: and incarnate somewhere else as a jellyfish?
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: Will you and the jellyfish that was once you ever come back together again and be you again?
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: Or will you fragment and become something else?
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: Think about it.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then realize that whatever is the reality,
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: you will never be able to conceive of it with thought.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: So let go.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: Relax.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: And allow your awareness to be naked just as it spontaneously arose.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Without your needing to add anything or subtract anything.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: Leave it be.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: The question is, is confusion arising as wisdom and wisdom arising as confusion
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: the same as Heart Sutra?
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: Samsara is nirvana, nirvana is samsara, samsara is not other than nirvana,
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: nirvana is not other than samsara?
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: They're asking if what you've described is similar to that.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: Both these things point to the same thing.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: Both the Heart Sutra, And this particular chapter that I just read you and talked
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: about with you.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: They point to the same thing, but they are not the same thing themselves.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm pointing at my nose.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm pointing at my nose.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: Not pointing in the same direction at all.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: Even though I'm pointing at the same thing.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: And the two hands are quite different from each other.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: Here I'm seeing...
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: Wait a minute.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: That wasn't what I was looking for.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: Different thing.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: The question is, this one got something just now.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: Crystal clear like the Dharmakaya, really, really pure, white light crystal,
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: no fear, beyond anger.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: Will I lose this or get to keep it?
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: You cannot keep it.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: You've already killed it.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: You put it in words.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: You twisted it.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: You made it fit into concepts.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: As it first arose for you, It was not within concept.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: It was what it is.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: Now what you have are simply words that you might remember.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: But the feeling is gone.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: You cannot keep anything that arises.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: For the arisings are moving.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: What you can can do is by using tantric methods,
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: change the pattern so that this sort of thing arises more often.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: You can remember that you felt this, saw this,
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: even though you cannot remember exactly what you saw.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: The memory has value.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know it's out there someplace.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: That you personally are capable of seeing this.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: However, you will find a way to distract yourself from it shortly.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: You will crave something.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: Or you will become angry at something.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: Or you will become afraid of something.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: And all of these emotions are Excellent distractions
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: from innate naked awareness.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: Don't fear them.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: Don't hang on to them.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: When distractions arise, do not fight with them.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: It gives them energy.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: Simply go, uh-huh, next.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, look at it go.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: One time, my teacher.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: This may be a story which some of you have heard, but it is nonetheless a valuable one.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: It was late at night after supper.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: We were still sitting at the dinner table in my house in, where was that house?
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: San Francisco.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: And He was touring around and I was traveling and translating for him.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: And he had been on the phone with his people in India where he was building
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: a monastery for Ziggur Rinpoche
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: who found other solutions to his life.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, this was being built.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: And Before he left,
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: there had been money gathered and he had left it with them
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: to build a set of outhouses, a set of bathrooms.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: And he said to build it over there because if you built it on the place
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: that the plumbing was easiest to do for,
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: it was near a sacred tree of the Indians and it would make them angry and there'd be
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: a flap. So build it over there.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: So he gets on the phone with them and I'm hearing just, you know, his side.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you built the bathrooms over by the sacred tree, did you?
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: And what happened then?
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, people were angry, were they?
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: And now you're asking me what you should do about it?
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, here's what you have to do.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: Tear them down and rebuild them over in that other corner
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: where I originally told you to build them.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you spent all the money I gave you for it already, did you?
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: All right, I will send you some more money.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, do you understand now?
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, bye.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: And he sat there silently staring at the wall with his eyes doing pinwheels.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: He said, Lena, do you know what those fucking idiots just did?
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: And he went through the whole story.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I told them to build it over there.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: And they built it over here.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_01: And those goddamn idiots.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: And they spent all their money building it over here.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: Now I've got to raise more money for the goddamn idiots.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: And you and I, we both understand that these are nam talks and feelings.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: And we're just going to let them be that.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: But do you know what those goddamn idiots just did?
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: And he went through it quite a couple of times before he ran down.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: And we went on to other things.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: I found that to be an Excellent teaching.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: He had been delightfully patient with them.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: He had not popped off at them and made the situation worse.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: But he did have very strong feelings about it,
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: which he sat and expressed in a way that they would do no damage
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: without believing they were real, but simply allowing them to be felt.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: Without inflicting
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: them on anyone who would be troubled by it.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't particularly troubled that he was pissed off at them.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: I was often pissed off at them myself.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: They were a bunch of idiots.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: Still are.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: Although some of them have grown up nicely.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: So it's okay.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: To have feelings and distractions.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: They are not evil.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: They only become problematic when they get stuck in your craw.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because you are trying not to feel them. No.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: Try not to inflict them on anyone else unless you have a good friend who you say, I got to vent.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: Would you sit still for me to vent at you for a few minutes?
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: Then you can vent.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: But don't inflict them on the subject of your feelings.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: That will just create a further flap.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: Because then they'll have to justify and go back and have their feelings about your feelings.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: You see how this goes?
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: So go ahead and have feelings of emotions.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: Don't suppress them.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: Feel them.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: They are physical sensations.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: When you're pissed, man, your body feels it.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay, let it feel it.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: Don't fight it.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: Don't suppress it.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: Don't act on it.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_01: Without suppressing it, do not support it by acting it out.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: Just feel it.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: Something happens if you are able to do that.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: But I am not going to tell you what it is.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: Because I don't want you to fake it.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: And people do, even to themselves.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: Next question.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: One viewer asks, how...
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: Looking for the looker and not finding it,
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: I experience the impulse to try to cling to something.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_00: What do I do in that moment?
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_01: Recognize the impulse as an emotion.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's somewhere on the order, probably of fear, anxiety.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: With nothing to stand on, will I fall?
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well, as Trungpa said, I've already gone off a cliff with you guys.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's the bad news.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: The good news is there's no bottom to hit, so it's not a problem.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: So notice that you feel that.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: Don't suppress the feeling.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: Don't flap to try to fulfill the feeling or make it better.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: Just feel that.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: Leave it be.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: Don't fix it.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: If you can do that, something happens.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_01: Do we have many or are we running out yet?
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: Just a couple here.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'll do them before I go on.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: How do we...
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see, how do we directly experience, I think they mean distinguish,
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: dharmata from just another nyam?
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: You don't attempt to distinguish it.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: For those are nam talk making value judgments.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: This is good and that is not.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_01: This is what I should have, feel, do,
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: and that is just not what I should have, feel, and do.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: And these things get in your way because they're made out of your assumptions,
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: which is what your personality is made of.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: So say that question out loud again.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm missing something in it.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, here's the way it was written.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_00: How can we distinct,
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_00: directly experience dharmata from just another nyam?
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: So you don't want to try to take things apart and say this is a realization, this is a nyam.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: Because it doesn't matter.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: You're having an experience.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: One of the odd things, and this is spelled out in Mahamudra but not in Maha'ati.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of stuff is spelled out in Mahamudra that in Maha'ati they don't talk about.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_01: You're just expected to flop into it
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: while flailing after being dropped off a cliff
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_01: by your teacher.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: Slightly different methods.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: It is a matter of...
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: As you have experiences,
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: and an experience caused by meditation is by definition
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: a nyam. It comes and goes.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's an experience.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: But look at who you are, your personality.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_01: Where'd you get that?
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: How did it form?
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: How...
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_01: Is it different now than
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_00: when you were
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: 14?
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_01: Unless you're 14 listening to this, in that case, from when you were seven.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: How did it change and what changed it?
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just the hormones.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just the biome.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: You had experiences.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: You fell in love.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: You fell out of love.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: You interacted with people, books, songs, and movies.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: They influenced you and they changed you, didn't they?
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_01: Things you read on the internet, TikToks.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_01: How many of you are made of TikToks?
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: Be careful of that.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's a trap for certain generations.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: So as you experience nyams, they change you.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: This is not a bad thing.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: For instance, a simple example in Mahamudra.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: As we run around in our daily lives before we encounter Mahamudra, we have no stillness.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: We have no concept of stillness, except as something moves slower, such as a rock.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: Rocks are moving, the planet is moving, the solar system is moving, everything's moving.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_01: You don't even notice that there might be something that doesn't move.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: Space, nobody notices space in daily life,
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: just like fish don't notice water.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: So...
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_01: Once you are taught to notice stillness,
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: you slow down and begin to reflect stillness.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: This makes a big change in a person's personality,
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_01: especially if they've got ADD and they're all over the place, scattered,
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_01: running from one thing to another.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: And you teach them to sit down and be still for 10 minutes looking at a pebble,
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: which doesn't do anything.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: Eventually, they find the inner stillness to rest
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: in beyond paying attention to the thoughts.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: It takes a while to find that.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_01: But people do.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's a nyam, yes, because it comes and goes.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_01: But since you are made of nyams,
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: you're made of experiences, your personality.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_01: Your personality is changed by the experience of meditating.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: By the experience of reciting sadhanas and mantras, if done properly,
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: not just to count the numbers, they change you.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_01: So nyams aren't bad, they are useful.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_01: When you change from a busy buzz
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_01: Running about in all directions,
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_01: trying to satisfy your desires and get away from what you're scared of.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: To someone who can actually sit down and be still occasionally.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's a big change.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_01: When you are still, there is an openness that arises.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's natural, it's open awareness.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_01: It arises out of stillness, but it is not the same as stillness.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_01: Stillness is half.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's the blank side of the piece of paper.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_01: Phenomena is the written side, but it's still the same piece of paper.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_01: Once you have practiced Trultra Naljor and have had the experience of even glimpsing
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_01: that, it will change you.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: To the ability to find the stillness in the movement.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: And the movement in the stillness.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: Once that is obvious and natural to you, you're not the same person that started.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: Your sight is clearer.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_01: Gewa arises instinctively instead of dig butt.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because you're not a ping pong ball between two passions, two paddles of passion.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_01: Doink, doink, doink.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: Do you see that?
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_01: So don't bother trying to figure out
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_01: if it's a nyam or a realization.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: They actually all come to the same thing.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_01: That is not a useful question to you.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: Do not try to get anything back which has occurred.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_00: Go forward.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_01: So if you get a nyam that really has a wonderful and profound effect on you,
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_01: don't try to get it again.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_01: Try to get the next one.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's better.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_00: The question is, how do we delineate experience versus concept?
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_00: Both feel like and look like the same thing unless this is a mistake.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_01: Concept is made of thought.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: Experience is made of a stack of perceptions.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_01: They're defining words.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_01: A perception is made of a combination of thoughts, feelings, and sensations.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_01: So sensations arise of the six senses.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_01: You tell a story about what those sensations mean.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_01: You have feelings about the story you told.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_01: This all together becomes a perception.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: When you stack perceptions in a row through time, they become an experience.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_01: Perceptions are just of the moment, but you get perception, perception, perception,
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_01: perception, perception.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_01: It now makes a clump of experience.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_01: So a thought
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_01: concept is part
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_01: of an experience,
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_01: but there is much more to an experience than just the thoughts involved.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_01: It contains the sense, physical sensations of the six sense organs
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_01: and the stories you told yourself about those sensations,
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_01: which led to the emotions that arise from that.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: And an ongoing bunch of these going one to the next to the next of the next.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_01: Did that make some sense to you, hopefully?
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_00: Next question.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_00: Is there no satisfaction and no dissatisfaction in realization?
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to an extreme.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_01: I cannot answer that in words without confusing you.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_01: Your statement is to either or.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_01: And just doesn't fit into the box you're trying to put it in.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: Can't answer that one.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_00: The same infinite space speaks through you and listens within me.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_01: Why not?
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_01: What do you mean why?
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because it is the same space.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: How many times have I said we're all in this together?
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, that's what I mean.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_00: How did you realize the difference between relative and absolute,
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_00: and how do you constantly remember Sambodagaya?
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you've got two questions there.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: I do not differentiate between relative and absolute.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because why bother?
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: And Sambhogakaya is completely obvious.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's as obvious as life force, as my breathing.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_01: My ability to think is Sambhogakaya.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_01: How could I not notice that I think things and feel things?
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, I mean...
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't bother with the difference between relative and absolute because that's just
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: an intellectualization and should go on Reddit.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_01: And constantly remember Sambhogakaya.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_01: Sambhogakaya is constantly obvious.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_01: How could you not...
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_01: Notice it continuously.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think it is that you have to remember?
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to remember, you just have to notice it.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think therefore I am.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's Sambhogakaya.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_01: So every time you think, the very ability to think, not what you thought,
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_01: what you thought is pure bullshit.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_01: The ability to think is aliveness.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_01: Sambhogakaya is aliveness.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's the crystal in the middle that the clear light nature of the Dharmakaya shines
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_01: through shattering into the rainbow colors of Nirmanakaya.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_01: Nirmanakaya contains phenomena.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_01: Dharmakaya is infinite, vast, open, empty awareness.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_01: Sambhogakaya is the vitality of that.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_01: In every moment that you are alive, how could you not notice this and have to remember it?
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_01: I feel, I am, Sambhogakaya.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure what you remember.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's the end of the on-topic questions.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's do chapter 19 before we're done.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_01: You guys can eat a little bit more.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_01: Although there exists a great many different meditations that do not agree
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_01: among themselves, oh yeah.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_01: Your own ordinary present awareness is directly penetrating.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_01: This here, right here, right now.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing fancy, nothing, oh wow.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_01: Just that.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_01: The process of meditation and the one
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_01: who meditates are not two different things.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_01: You do know that just sitting down to meditate in whatever you're doing,
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_01: if taught properly by a decent teacher, changes you.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to slow you down
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_01: And deepen your perspective at minimum.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_01: If you pay attention, it's going to help open your mind.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_01: Unless you wiggle like a trout on a string.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_01: In which case at some point, you'll just give everybody a good laugh.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_01: Poor Rinpoche.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_01: Boy, did I wiggle like a trout on a string.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_01: When you look for the meditator who is meditating or not meditating,
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_01: take a moment and do that.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_01: Since you have searched for this meditator and have not found him anywhere,
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_01: and yet he is obviously present.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_01: At that time your meditation is exhausted and overthrown.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_01: Don't try to fake this.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_01: Just because somebody said you're not going to find it anywhere,
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_01: don't then decide because you intellectually understand this
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_01: that your meditation must be exhausted and overthrown and you don't have
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_01: to make any more meditation.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_01: Don't fake realizations.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_01: Keep practicing.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_01: Don't cough.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_01: Thus, even though it is the end of your meditation,
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_01: this is the beginning with respect to yourself.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_01: The meditation and the meditator are not found to exist anywhere.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_01: Without it falling under the power of delusion,
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_01: drowsiness, or agitation,
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_01: Your immediate unfabricated awareness becomes lucidly clear.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_01: Always was.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_01: And this unmodified state
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_01: of even contemplation is concentration.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's backwards.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_01: Therefore, remaining in a calm state or not remaining
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_01: in a calm state are not two different things.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_01: I got to word this a little differently for you guys.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_01: I see where it's pointing, but it's not obvious in English.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_01: When you have practiced meditation of whatever kind,
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_01: Dzogchen, Mahamudra, Shinne, Latong,
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_01: All the ruchens.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_01: Even the just sitting there.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_01: At some point you need to turn around and gaze
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_01: into your own eyes and find
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_01: that there is no one there
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_01: that can be grasped or defined.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_01: That doesn't mean
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_01: No one there.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_01: That means nothing definable, graspable, or findable.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_01: And yet the experience of awareness continues.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it's a nyam.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: It comes and goes.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_01: You go unconscious, you go to sleep, you go to dream time, you're somebody else.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_01: You reincarnate, you're somebody else.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_01: But there is always
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_01: a
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_01: vitality, an aliveness, regardless of what form it takes.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_01: The form is temporary arising shaped by the thoughts, the stories, the emotions,
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_01: the experiences,
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_01: the phenomena that's bouncing off it that it is creating.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_01: But when you try to find the experiencer
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_01: of the form, you can't.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_01: And yet experience occurs.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_01: Don't go nihilistic on me and say there's nobody there just because you can't find it.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_01: Don't go religious on me and say, yes, there's a spirit, there's something there,
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_01: even if I can't find it.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_01: Don't go with ises or isn'ts.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_01: Remember Saraha, all ises and isn'ts aren't.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta keep that one in mind if you wanna remember anything.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_01: Remember quotes from some of the greats.
• 1:09:15
  SPEAKER_01: Even though the meditator nor a thing
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_01: that is steady and can be called a meditation
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_01: Are actually not found to exist as things in places.
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_01: Nonetheless, the three jewels,
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_01: the vast openness of awareness,
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_01: in all its potential liveliness,
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_01: Manifesting, well, no, in all its potential vitality,
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_01: manifesting as creative liveliness.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_01: So the stillness manifests as the moving.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_01: And the moving contains and is intrinsically the stillness.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_01: And the one who sees this, although unfindable,
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_01: Cannot be fully negated.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_01: So don't go around saying you don't exist or I'll hit you upside the head.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_01: And you will notice that it hurts.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_01: Do not fall under the power of the delusion of is-is and isn'ts.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_01: The drowsiness which happens in the beginning whenever sine is attempted.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_01: Whenever you try to focus on the stillness, you fall asleep at first.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_01: And you think, oh, that really soft, sweet, blissful.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_01: That must be it.
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's a nap.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_01: And Boucher was very good about pointing out that difference.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, dear, that isn't Sine, that's a nap.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_01: I was watching you.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_01: The youngest apprentice at the ceremonies, when they go on for a really long time,
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_01: always has a bowl of rice.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone has a bowl of rice for offering.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_01: But their job is to see if they can get a grain of rice into the mouth of any snoring adult.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because when the adults, the old folks especially, doze off in ceremony.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_01: So that's the job of the kid.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_01: There's always a kid.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_01: A little apprentice, you know, somebody 10, 12, 14,
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_01: and they stay awake by monitoring, seeing, you know,
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_01: if they get it and cause them to go, they feel very rewarded.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_01: There's different ways you can slide off of this to protect yourself from it, and you will.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to slide off of what's being pointed at here again and again and again.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_01: You just get up and dust yourself off and get back on the frigging horse.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_01: Every time.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_01: Your immediate unfabricated awareness, just as it is, unfabricated, you didn't fix it.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_01: It hasn't been repaired or made into anything it wasn't already.
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_01: Awareness, awakeness, aliveness.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_01: Be lucidly clear, they mean obvious.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_01: This unmodified state, It isn't like this because you poked at it.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's like this because you didn't.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_01: Evenness.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody comes to the teachings.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's how it works.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_01: This unmodified state, unchanged, unmade, uncorrected,
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_01: left as it is state of even contemplation is concentration.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_01: This is not concentration by holding still.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_01: This is not concentration by intellectual movement.
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_01: If you're trying to learn and understand a physics theorem,
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's a different kind of concentration.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_01: I wish that we had two different words for it.
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_01: This concentration is open,
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_01: permits all occurrences to arise,
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_01: is responsive to occurrences,
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_01: doesn't grab anything.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_01: Therefore, it remains steady.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_01: What they're calling remaining in a calm state.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_01: But remaining in a calm state and having an intense feeling,
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_01: not remaining in a calm state, becoming agitated,
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_01: are not separate because the underlying contemplation
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_01: of awareness doesn't do anything.
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to make it do anything.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to fix it.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Questions on this one?
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Have a think, you all.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_00: One question is, if consciousness comes and goes moment by moment,
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_00: what accounts for our continuous awareness of the senses and thoughts, et cetera?
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_01: Excellent question.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_01: Go find out.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_01: This is what accounts for the awareness. Get a look at it.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Go look at that awareness that has apparent continuity.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Find it.
• 1:15:59
  SPEAKER_01: Take it apart. See what it's made of.
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_01: Not intellectually.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_01: Do not attempt to fix it.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we homo sapiens with the little hands, monkey hands,
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_01: we're always trying to fix something.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's not broken.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_01: You're fine.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_01: You're not broken.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you find that your biome is out of balance and needs correction.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_01: Kimchi is good.
• 1:16:45
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you find that your brain chemicals are out of balance and need correction.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Some medications,
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_01: if used carefully with consulting an expert on what they do,
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_01: may be useful to balance that out.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_01: These are physical illnesses.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_01: Treat the physical illness.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because whatever happens, one does not abandon common sense.
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_01: That goes without saying, so the Tibetans never say it.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_01: Because, well, of course you don't abandon common sense.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_01: Then you're a dead yogi.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_01: And what benefit is that?
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_01: So Westerners who have grown up
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_01: with guardrails everywhere are not
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_01: as well trained
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_01: in common sense as Tibetans.
• 1:17:57
  SPEAKER_01: And therefore, if you don't say it to them, this is an analogy.
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_01: Please retain your common sense while doing this exercise.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_01: If you're going to do a burning blue Vajra, do it on something soft, not on a pile of rocks.
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_01: Little things like this.
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_01: I find myself, when I think in Western, realizing that I have to remind y'all.
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_01: But sometimes I forget and I think about it in Tibetan and then I forget
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_01: that because a Tibetan wouldn't think that.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_01: Did I answer that question, Nyandu?
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see.
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_00: Looking back in chat.
• 1:18:45
  SPEAKER_01: Do you guys have any questions?
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_00: There is another question here.
• 1:18:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_00: One of our Spanish viewers asks, so when the body dies,
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_00: does the mental continuum have or not have awareness of being?
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_00: While it has no body, before it has another body?
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it has awareness of being.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_01: In the gap.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_01: And remember, you go through the gap every night as you go to sleep as well.
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_01: There's a gap there too.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_01: So you lose consciousness at one point.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's like fetus wave sleep, or is it called alpha?
• 1:19:42
  SPEAKER_01: The sleep with no dreams.
• 1:19:45
  SPEAKER_01: But then you wake up into like a dream body.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_01: There's detailed descriptions of how it proceeds.
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_01: You've got a certain amount of time there in the beginning.
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_01: Where you are awake, you are alert.
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_01: You remember the personality you had.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Your personality is very much similar, but all illnesses are gone,
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_01: both mental and physical.
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_01: You can think clearly in this without your previous trips on it patterns.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_01: This can last up to three days.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have great power at this time,
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  SPEAKER_01: but most people expend it being upset
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  SPEAKER_01: that they're dead rather than going off
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  SPEAKER_01: on an interesting adventure in the bardo.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can choose any pure land at that point and go directly there,
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_01: or you can choose a rebirth at that point.
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  SPEAKER_01: You may not be able to sustain it
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's the time you can aim.
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  SPEAKER_01: After which, like a bird that flies into the sky and leaves its shadow
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  SPEAKER_01: behind on Earth, must eventually land.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when it does, it will come together with its shadow analogy.
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  SPEAKER_01: So your channel formations will return.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that will contain the shadow of your karma.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_01: So yes, you're still there in the beginning,
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_01: but you will have experiences there and they will change you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some of them are quite intense.
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to go deep into Bardo teachings here because I have done
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  SPEAKER_01: that in other places in great detail and I know that that's out online.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you're truly interested, go have a look.
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  SPEAKER_01: Other questions?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's see.
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  SPEAKER_00: Isn't it the case that once this state is glimpsed, the end of suffering is realized fully?
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  SPEAKER_01: What state?
• 1:22:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's how the question is written.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think they're referring to enlightenment?
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  SPEAKER_00: Nirvana?
• 1:22:19
  SPEAKER_01: Not exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have a question for you then.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is the first moment of enlightenment
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  SPEAKER_01: the same as the second moment of enlightenment?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or is it different?
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  SPEAKER_01: That was a gift from Lama Yeshe too.
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  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
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  SPEAKER_01: So you get enlightened.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then what happens?
• 1:22:52
  SPEAKER_01: There's another moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it the same as the first one?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it different?
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_01: He had the best questions.
• 1:23:07
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 1:23:13
  SPEAKER_00: I have a kitty that's not well.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_00: When does anticipatory grief become a spell we inadvertently cast on ourselves?
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  SPEAKER_01: When it causes you to behave peculiarly.
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  SPEAKER_01: When it
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  SPEAKER_01: causes you to behave in ways that are perhaps sabotaging.
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  SPEAKER_01: Kitties have lifespans.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's natural to want to spend time with them near the end when you realize the end is coming.
• 1:24:05
  SPEAKER_01: And that's natural.
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  SPEAKER_01: Grief is a natural emotion.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't worry about anticipatory grief,
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  SPEAKER_01: which can be actually harder than the after grief.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do it like working with emotions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let it be grief.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't fight it.
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_01: They say grief is one of the hardest ones,
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  SPEAKER_01: but to have
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  SPEAKER_01: loved is better
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  SPEAKER_01: than not to have loved.
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  SPEAKER_01: Even though grief is a part of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: To feel is better than not to feel.
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  SPEAKER_01: Jellyfish have my sympathy.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_00: The next question.
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  SPEAKER_00: How can we know if we've fallen into intellectual analysis?
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because it fits in words.
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_01: If you can talk to yourself about it, that's intellectual analysis.
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  SPEAKER_01: Put it down.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was easy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Got another one?
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  SPEAKER_00: One moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is said samsara and nirvana are one.
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  SPEAKER_00: During a breakup, when I stripped the stories from the unpleasant feelings
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  SPEAKER_00: in treksha, it dissolves in minutes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is this aversion or correct practice?
• 1:25:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's correct practice.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_01: Working with emotions.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:26:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just looking at that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, there's a step you may be missing because it's still got its underwear on.
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_01: You strip not only the story but the words unpleasant about the feeling.
• 1:26:43
  SPEAKER_01: So you haven't gone quite far enough in stripping it.
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  SPEAKER_01: The statement that the feeling is unpleasant...
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  SPEAKER_01: Jealousy, grief, whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is part of what it's dressed in.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have to let that go too.
• 1:27:08
  SPEAKER_01: So that it is completely naked.
• 1:27:12
  SPEAKER_01: Then it won't vanish.
• 1:27:17
  SPEAKER_01: But it will relax into its natural state.
• 1:27:22
  SPEAKER_01: Which is...
• 1:27:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well worthwhile doing.
• 1:27:30
  SPEAKER_01: And no, I'm not going to tell you the answer because you'll fake it to yourself.
• 1:27:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's the problem with everybody here reading all
• 1:27:39
  SPEAKER_01: the books first is they know what's supposed to come next.
• 1:27:43
  SPEAKER_01: So they kind of make it come next instead of letting it naturally arise.
• 1:27:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so the first piece isn't quite done.
• 1:27:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so later on, at some point, things don't work and you have to, wait a minute,
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_01: let's go back to the beginning.
• 1:28:02
  SPEAKER_01: What'd you miss?
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_01: What'd you jump over?
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_01: So try not to,
• 1:28:12
  SPEAKER_01: and this is something we do with everything.
• 1:28:14
  SPEAKER_01: You're cooking dinner, right?
• 1:28:16
  SPEAKER_01: And instead of being in the chopping of the vegetable,
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_01: you're in what it's going to taste like and what bowl you will serve it in.
• 1:28:29
  SPEAKER_01: You're not where you are.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_01: You're in the next thing.
• 1:28:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's okay when cooking dinner does no harm, except possibly, you know,
• 1:28:40
  SPEAKER_01: a knife cut on the fingers because you weren't paying attention.
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_00: But don't do it with your practice, okay?
• 1:28:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's more important.
• 1:28:54
  SPEAKER_00: Do we have any more?
• 1:28:57
  SPEAKER_00: Let me see. Yes.
• 1:28:59
  SPEAKER_00: First, follow up to the question about realization and the end of suffering.
• 1:29:05
  SPEAKER_00: They say they were referring to the state of natural primordial awareness.
• 1:29:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that is the end of suffering.
• 1:29:14
  SPEAKER_01: However, it is not the end of feeling.
• 1:29:24
  SPEAKER_01: Suffering is a layer superimposed upon things.
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Just as that layer is made up of calling an emotion unpleasant.
• 1:29:39
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for clarifying.
• 1:29:43
  SPEAKER_01: And do we have another one?
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see which one I have here.
• 1:29:50
  SPEAKER_00: The question is, when I look directly at experience, thoughts, sensations,
• 1:29:56
  SPEAKER_00: and perceptions, Are constantly changing,
• 1:30:00
  SPEAKER_00: yet the awareness itself doesn't seem to change.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_00: Is this what Dzogchen refers to as Rigpa?
• 1:30:09
  SPEAKER_01: This is what Dzogchen refers to as meditation.
• 1:30:13
  SPEAKER_01: You're doing it right, keep doing it.
• 1:30:16
  SPEAKER_01: Rigpa is simply the word for awareness.
• 1:30:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's not anything profound.
• 1:30:22
  SPEAKER_01: Rig is the verb to see.
• 1:30:26
  SPEAKER_01: You'd use it to say, I saw him in town yesterday.
• 1:30:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, kat sang ngakwarang tram lah red song.
• 1:30:32
  SPEAKER_01: Rig.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pa is the E-R suffix, the do-er.
• 1:30:40
  SPEAKER_01: So rigpa is simply the seer.
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's not something profound you're trying to catch.
• 1:30:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's what's looking out from behind your own eyes and always has been.
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 1:30:56
  SPEAKER_00: The rest of the questions are off topic from the test.
• 1:30:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going there.
• 1:31:01
  SPEAKER_00: I did that last week.
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_01: We can do another one of those at some point.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, we're about an hour and a half.
• 1:31:10
  SPEAKER_01: So next time we're on chapter 20.
• 1:31:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I want to remind you guys,
• 1:31:17
  SPEAKER_01: if you want any specific retreats of things that have been done, I don't know,
• 1:31:23
  SPEAKER_01: Bodicita, working with emotions, working with thoughts.
• 1:31:29
  SPEAKER_01: Or something that hasn't been done that you got an idea for.
• 1:31:33
  SPEAKER_01: If it hasn't been done, you got an idea for it, email me.
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_01: Or Jan, who still helps with scheduling there.
• 1:31:44
  SPEAKER_01: Or Karen, who also helps with scheduling.
• 1:31:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um...
• 1:31:52
  SPEAKER_01: And if we want a retreat that's already been done, there should be signups on the website.
• 1:31:57
  SPEAKER_01: And you need to know that we ignore those until there's at least 50, 60 names in one of them.
• 1:32:05
  SPEAKER_01: Then we say, okay, there's enough interest to do it again.
• 1:32:09
  SPEAKER_01: So don't wait until to sign up to get your name in there.
• 1:32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Until other people make 50, you end up being on a waiting list
• 1:32:19
  SPEAKER_01: then because once we announce it, a whole bunch of people jump in.
• 1:32:24
  SPEAKER_01: So that's how you make them happen.
• 1:32:27
  SPEAKER_01: Just letting you know.
• 1:32:30
  SPEAKER_01: Also, I've talked about this before.
• 1:32:34
  SPEAKER_01: For those of you who are in the time of life
• 1:32:39
  SPEAKER_01: where you have more money than time,
• 1:32:43
  SPEAKER_01: This is where you hire someone to mow the lawn instead of doing it yourself.
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_01: You maybe have somebody come in and deep clean your house every so often instead
• 1:32:54
  SPEAKER_01: of getting down on your hands and knees and scrubbing the floor under the radiator.
• 1:33:01
  SPEAKER_01: When you reach that stage of life where you're raising your kids,
• 1:33:05
  SPEAKER_01: you're looking after your parents and you're working your job.
• 1:33:10
  SPEAKER_01: So you have no time.
• 1:33:12
  SPEAKER_01: But you're earning okay.
• 1:33:13
  SPEAKER_01: You have a bit of money.
• 1:33:16
  SPEAKER_01: One of the things that Tibetans do is they find a yogi who has no money but plenty
• 1:33:22
  SPEAKER_01: of time because they live in a cave by begging.
• 1:33:27
  SPEAKER_01: And they share practice with them.
• 1:33:30
  SPEAKER_01: So they sponsor the yogi's food and the yogi practices with them,
• 1:33:38
  SPEAKER_01: as them, for them.
• 1:33:40
  SPEAKER_01: And so the two practices combine and synergize.
• 1:33:46
  SPEAKER_01: Remember me talking about how we're all in this together?
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's a way of actually making use of it if you find you don't have enough time
• 1:33:56
  SPEAKER_01: at this period in your life to do as much practice personally as you'd like.
• 1:34:03
  SPEAKER_01: You still have to do some.
• 1:34:05
  SPEAKER_01: This doesn't let you out of some.
• 1:34:09
  SPEAKER_01: But if you can't do as much as you'd like, you can sometimes merge with a yogi.
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_01: If you want to do this, you've got to send me an email that you want to do that.
• 1:34:19
  SPEAKER_01: And please don't combine it with all sorts of personal stuff.
• 1:34:23
  SPEAKER_01: Because the email that says you want to do that goes to the people who help me find
• 1:34:28
  SPEAKER_01: the right person.
• 1:34:30
  SPEAKER_01: So say a little bit about yourself.
• 1:34:33
  SPEAKER_01: And we'll find you somebody that's a match.
• 1:34:36
  SPEAKER_01: Say if you have a preference like, oh, you lost your mom and you'd like an old lady.
• 1:34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Or you want a monk because you really like monks.
• 1:34:51
  SPEAKER_01: Or a nun.
• 1:34:52
  SPEAKER_01: Or you have to see what you want.
• 1:34:57
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't know what you want, just send it like that.
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_01: I want somebody.
• 1:35:03
  SPEAKER_01: If you want a child, we have little monklets,
• 1:35:10
  SPEAKER_01: usually from very poor families that are in the monastery.
• 1:35:15
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a different situation.
• 1:35:18
  SPEAKER_01: We also have some nunlets, both up at the caves and in the Kanuri nunnery.
• 1:35:27
  SPEAKER_01: The little ones, they're not really practicing that much, they're learning.
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_01: But they're so cute.
• 1:35:38
  SPEAKER_01: Essex, Evan. Yes, Nan.
• 1:35:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, just wanted to also put in a mention for our translators.
• 1:35:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I forgot that.
• 1:35:47
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, those of you who have been listening in a language other
• 1:35:50
  SPEAKER_01: than English, guess what?
• 1:35:55
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody volunteered their time to put it in your language.
• 1:36:00
  SPEAKER_01: They won't keep doing that if you don't thank them.
• 1:36:05
  SPEAKER_01: At least you send them an email saying thank you.
• 1:36:09
  SPEAKER_01: If you want to be really nice, you send them a PayPal
• 1:36:13
  SPEAKER_00: saying thank you.
• 1:36:15
  SPEAKER_01: Or a gift.
• 1:36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Some incense.
• 1:36:20
  SPEAKER_01: Something.
• 1:36:23
  SPEAKER_01: As a token of appreciation.
• 1:36:27
  SPEAKER_01: It encourages translators to keep translating.
• 1:36:32
  SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, they have jobs and lives too.
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_01: And they do this by volunteer.
• 1:36:37
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody charges for anything.
• 1:36:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's just the way we work.
• 1:36:43
  SPEAKER_01: So please do think of your translator.
• 1:36:46
  SPEAKER_00: And at the very least, send them a really nice email.
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_01: And more if you can.
• 1:36:54
  SPEAKER_01: And with that, I think we should sign off and let you all go on about your Sunday.
• 1:36:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, dedicate marriage.
• 1:37:21
  SPEAKER_01: Ngau Pa Marsho
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  SPEAKER_01: May all beings be free.
• 1:37:31
  SPEAKER_01: And we are all in this together.
• 1:37:37
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Nyando.
• 1:37:38
  SPEAKER_01: You can turn me off.