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EP 9 | Cuck...holding? · Around the Kinky Kampfire Podcast

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SPEAKER_05: I don't have a thing.
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SPEAKER_05: I don't have a thing.
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SPEAKER_06: No, it was on the whole time.
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SPEAKER_06: She just wasn't close to it.
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: There was no levels.
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SPEAKER_06: It's turned down.
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SPEAKER_06: I can barely hear it.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because you said your mic was too loud.
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SPEAKER_06: Um well I think it's too loud on the recording.
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SPEAKER_06: I can hear you.
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SPEAKER_06: Can you?
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: You didn't have it on before.
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SPEAKER_06: You can hear me good?
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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unknown: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Like levels.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome everybody to the kinky campfire around the podcast thing.
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SPEAKER_00: We're going to do another episode.
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SPEAKER_00: We were just talking about stuff, so now we're just going to bring it in.
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SPEAKER_00: I should have just been recording and spliced it all together.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, but we're going to do introductions first and then we're just going to go back into whatever or change the topic.
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SPEAKER_06: Can I restart this?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: To my right.
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SPEAKER_06: No, no, hold on.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: This is you're listening to Around the Kinky Campfire.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you can do that too.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: They got the music.
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SPEAKER_06: Around the kinky campfire.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: Uh, I've changed my name.
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SPEAKER_06: I'm going to be Esme.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, to my left.
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SPEAKER_00: She's going to introduce herself first.
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SPEAKER_00: Going afterwards.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what you said.
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SPEAKER_00: To my left.
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SPEAKER_00: I said to my right.
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SPEAKER_00: I always do my right.
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SPEAKER_00: Do you not?
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SPEAKER_06: Oh, I'm so sorry.
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SPEAKER_00: Could you be here for all of our conversations?
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SPEAKER_06: I heard I really heard to my left, and I even watched his hand.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm just gonna I'm gonna copy and paste all our conversations, and I need you to do it.
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SPEAKER_06: Oh my god, did he really?
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SPEAKER_06: He did.
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SPEAKER_06: I'm so sorry.
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SPEAKER_00: To my left, I guess we have Ezbe.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there we go.
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SPEAKER_00: And to my right, we have Dame.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
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SPEAKER_00: Dame is constant here.
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SPEAKER_00: We got a bunch of guest stars and Dame is here with us the whole time.
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SPEAKER_00: And I am Mo the Plumber.
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SPEAKER_06: Alright.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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SPEAKER_06: I like that.
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SPEAKER_06: That's fine.
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SPEAKER_06: I like Mo.
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SPEAKER_06: Mo's good.
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SPEAKER_06: Moe's good.
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SPEAKER_06: I'll take it.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, just wait.
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SPEAKER_00: We got other episodes coming up.
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SPEAKER_00: We got more stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so.
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SPEAKER_06: Esme, Mo, and Dame.
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SPEAKER_06: Got it.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so we're talking about uh we were starting talking about cut colding and cut cleaning.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Because we recently listened to a podcast and we except too.
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SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna fill everybody in.
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SPEAKER_01: I didn't understand the assignment.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so nice.
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SPEAKER_00: You know why?
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SPEAKER_00: And then I I w I read it or I was listening to it.
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SPEAKER_00: I read it because there's subtitles on.
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SPEAKER_00: But I was listening, reading it, and watching it.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh the podcast, I don't know if I want to name it right now because I'm gonna bash it a little bit.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm not gonna name it.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I wouldn't.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm not gonna name it.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a couple other podcasts to listen to that are pretty freaking good.
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SPEAKER_00: But this one in particular was more now now to give the caveat, they're more on the lifestyle, which is weird because they have a lifestyle, we have a lifestyle, but it is the swinger lifestyle.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Um that's what the whole podcast is.
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SPEAKER_00: So the podcast host doesn't know anything about kink.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, swingers are for the audience distinctly different from the community that we are sorry, not the community that, but let's say the podcast topics that we talk about, because none of us am I true about this?
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SPEAKER_06: None of us are swingers in the in this little group.
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SPEAKER_06: Well, I'm just saying.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay, I mean we couldn't.
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SPEAKER_06: See, this is why we needed to talk about this because you keep forgetting about that.
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SPEAKER_05: I will say that I have been to swinger parties and I am I have um gone as a unicorn.
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SPEAKER_05: Really?
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SPEAKER_05: Yes.
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SPEAKER_06: I think I could do that.
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SPEAKER_05: She's told us that.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't know if I could be able to do that.
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SPEAKER_06: She's told us that I do chapstick.
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SPEAKER_06: She told us that.
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SPEAKER_00: Anyways, I remember.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna forget that.
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SPEAKER_05: I don't remember.
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SPEAKER_05: I have experience in the swinger community, and I'm actually still active a little bit.
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SPEAKER_05: See yes.
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SPEAKER_00: This is why I sent the video for somebody to watch because I need those perspectives because I don't get any of that.
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SPEAKER_00: Because um, okay, so there was that one and then another one.
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SPEAKER_00: But this one, uh, the interviewer was interviewing uh I guess she's a content creator.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't catch all that part.
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SPEAKER_00: She's a content creator for the their lifestyle.
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SPEAKER_00: But what happened was she had been in an abusive relationship with a narcissist that was gaslighting her.
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SPEAKER_00: She got out of that and met her new partner, James, which is crazy.
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SPEAKER_06: Oh, is this the cuck holding thing?
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, cuck queening thing.
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SPEAKER_06: Cut queening, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So for the people out there that don't know the difference, cuck holding is when the male is really simple basic explanation.
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SPEAKER_00: The male is made to watch cut queening is for the female.
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SPEAKER_00: Made to watch what made to watch their wife or girls fuck somebody else.
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SPEAKER_06: Or get fucked by somebody else.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, get fucked by somebody.
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SPEAKER_00: They pretty much um that's the basic really thing.
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SPEAKER_00: There could there's a bunch of other stuff in there.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's say just for simplicity.
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SPEAKER_00: We can talk about hot wifing and all that swapping and all that other stuff, but I'll leave it to our expert to explain that to us because I just I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: He's looking at you, kid.
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SPEAKER_00: I just I'm looking around like she's looking at fucking expert.
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SPEAKER_00: So what happened on this uh this um this interview is she met her new partner who actually was gave her a very secure attachment um in their relationship and then um had experience with their lifestyle and the kink lifestyle.
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SPEAKER_00: So it was actually a Dom too, and it was explaining to her about BDSM and what it all was, and when she found out about it that she realized that she was into that and also got a little turned on by watching her partner have sex with other women.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh at first he wasn't into it cu 'cause he thought it was a trap, like most guys would.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I would as well if I hadn't experienced that.
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SPEAKER_00: Um so basically what he did was he waited her out, got her a little frustrated, and like did a little mind game thing, was like, okay, now I see that you actually want this to happen because you're getting frustrated about it, whether it is or isn't happening.
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SPEAKER_00: And basically uh the rest of the podcast, she just told stories about that.
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SPEAKER_00: But she had to talk to the interviewer because interviewer didn't know what BDSM was.
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SPEAKER_00: She's like, what does BDSM mean?
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SPEAKER_06: That was so weird.
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SPEAKER_00: And then the the woman that she was interviewing didn't really understand what BDSM was either, or the the actual clinical definition.
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SPEAKER_06: Clinical.
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SPEAKER_06: The clinical definition.
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SPEAKER_06: The BDSM.
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SPEAKER_00: She didn't know what it meant.
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SPEAKER_06: She got it kind of right.
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SPEAKER_06: It was very slow.
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SPEAKER_06: She's like, oh, bondage, discipline, and they had been together for seven years.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like dominance and submission.
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SPEAKER_00: You're a content creator, and you're taught it.
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: My issue is when you're a content creator and you say that you're part of these lifestyles, but you don't know the definition.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_06: I think she just likes to talk about her fucking.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: That's another thing about the swingers, they like to talk about their fucking.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: So the rest of it's like, eh.
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SPEAKER_05: It's the common denominator.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so Dame, do you want to uh tell us a story about this?
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SPEAKER_00: Because I still I'm still learning.
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SPEAKER_06: What story?
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SPEAKER_00: I want to know like a cook-holding story.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to understand that whole thing.
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SPEAKER_05: No, so my thing is is like, so the question I would ask is if you were with a partner, uh, so you are just for the sake of the audience, you are cis male, straight, right, and your partner's ish, a little curved, but your partners are all female, female bodied.
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SPEAKER_05: Okay.
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SPEAKER_08: Right.
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SPEAKER_05: Um so if you and your partner you wanted to explore cuck holding, it would be you you watching your partner being fucked by somebody else with the purpose of degradation and humiliation on you.
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SPEAKER_05: That's cuck holding.
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SPEAKER_05: So it would be whether or not you have this kink of degradation and humiliation, of feeling like one, like you're not good enough, you're not big enough, you're not hot enough, you don't fuck well enough, like your your partner can't be satisfied by you.
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SPEAKER_05: So they have to seek this bull to fuck them and make you watch how how um insignificant you are sexually.
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SPEAKER_05: That's cuck holding.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And the bull is the one with the bigger with a big dick.
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SPEAKER_05: It's the guy usually with the big dick, big muscles, can fuck really well, like like a pro.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: Like not, I mean, we're not paying, we're not saying pro as in he's getting paid to do this, which they uh do have those.
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SPEAKER_05: But we're just saying he's he's like the stunt double coming in.
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SPEAKER_01: Stunt cuck.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, stunt cock.
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SPEAKER_06: He's the stunt cocktail thing.
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SPEAKER_05: But the whole purpose is not for you to enjoy what you're doing.
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SPEAKER_05: The whole purpose, like cuck holding can involve you, you as in the person watching.
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SPEAKER_05: The whole purpose is not for you for actual enjoyment.
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SPEAKER_00: A lot of times they enjoy that though.
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SPEAKER_05: They but that's the whole it's their kink.
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SPEAKER_05: They do, but they don't.
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SPEAKER_05: It's just like pain.
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SPEAKER_06: Like pain hurts, but you enjoy it.
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SPEAKER_06: Here's where okay, I've asked about the motivation of it.
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SPEAKER_05: Well, I mean, that'd be like in any that'd be like asking anybody what's the motivation behind degradation.
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SPEAKER_05: I asked though, and I or humiliation.
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SPEAKER_06: I got one answer, and obviously it's never gonna be the answer for everybody, but I was just really curious about does somebody have any answer for this?
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SPEAKER_06: And the and I I even I loaded the question, of course, because that's what I do.
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SPEAKER_06: But I was like, is it is it about because you're so secure with yourself in every other part of your life and you know you're such a worthwhile person that it's the physical stuff that just doesn't matter, and they said yes.
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SPEAKER_05: Or it could be or it could be when you think of think like I am not a skinny woman.
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SPEAKER_05: Okay, I know I got curves, I know I got extra pounds on me.
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SPEAKER_05: That booty you're kind of hot though.
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SPEAKER_05: I was talking about that last week.
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SPEAKER_07: Got that booty.
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SPEAKER_05: But I will make comments about my body so that if other people do it, it doesn't get to me.
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SPEAKER_05: Ah, okay.
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SPEAKER_05: So it could be something, it could be that they're insecure about the size of their penis.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: And so if they own this and they make this their kink, the humiliation, the degradation of the sign of their penis, or whatever.
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SPEAKER_05: Right, yeah, then it doesn't matter what anybody else does.
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SPEAKER_05: It turns that that degregation turns that insecurity turns into a pleasure.
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SPEAKER_00: So you're self-deprecating as a joke, or are you just doing it to beat everybody else to it?
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SPEAKER_05: It could be either.
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SPEAKER_05: You could you could do it as a it could be a um it's think of think of an elementary school, the class clown.
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SPEAKER_05: That's usually the class clown, usually, yeah, it's a defense mechanism.
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SPEAKER_05: The class clown usually.
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SPEAKER_05: Oh, for me, yeah, for you I make jokes about my body as a self-defense mechanism, so that if other people see me as overweight, then I'm like, I already know it.
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SPEAKER_00: So you make jokes, you don't do it like seriously.
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SPEAKER_05: No, I make jokes, it is kind of serious.
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SPEAKER_05: No, it is serious.
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SPEAKER_00: No, this is there's a difference between like the every joke has a little bit of truth in there, but some people are like serious, like, uh, I don't like my forehead.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's like, okay, but if you make a joke of it, more people they get offended.
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SPEAKER_05: Like, oh yeah, it's like a foreign.
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SPEAKER_05: No, no, no.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm talking about they they're self-deprecating.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: They more people are like, oh ha ha, you're making a joke of it.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not as oh yes, it's like one girl with a big head.
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SPEAKER_06: Doesn't make it.
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SPEAKER_06: I know my head's fucking huge.
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SPEAKER_06: That's how you know we're gonna get to that.
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SPEAKER_06: That's how we're gonna get to that.
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SPEAKER_00: That's how most comedians make like the more they get better because they're self-deprecating, it's kind of funny.
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SPEAKER_00: I just know there's always a nugget of truth.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, there's a nugget of truth, and also they make a joke out of it.
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SPEAKER_00: Because I've known people that do it seriously and just like kills the mood in the room, and then some people make a joke, like, I got a big old head.
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SPEAKER_05: But I mean it also goes back to people.
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SPEAKER_05: It goes back to the degradation or humiliation scenes where people do well, like the small penis scenes where like like the whole purpose is to make them feel insignificant because of the size of their penis.
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SPEAKER_05: You know, yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: Realistically, guys know the size of their penis.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, they know if whether they have a big penis or not.
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SPEAKER_00: That is true.
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SPEAKER_00: Not a true.
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SPEAKER_00: I am a cis male.
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SPEAKER_00: You know the size of your penis.
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SPEAKER_00: I will tell you something.
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SPEAKER_00: I will tell you something right now, okay?
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SPEAKER_00: I've never ever sent a dick pic.
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SPEAKER_05: I've never decided like that has nothing to do with you knowing the size of your penis.
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SPEAKER_05: That does.
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SPEAKER_01: You like, I have an impressive piece.
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SPEAKER_05: Let me show the world.
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SPEAKER_00: It has nothing to do with the.
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SPEAKER_04: You sent a dick pic?
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SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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SPEAKER_04: You sent a dick pic?
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SPEAKER_04: I have.
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SPEAKER_00: Your dick?
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SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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SPEAKER_04: I own a few.
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SPEAKER_04: I wear my dick.
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SPEAKER_04: I can send a flogger toy.
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SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
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SPEAKER_00: That's your that's a dick that you have.
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SPEAKER_04: How about if you find a pair for who you're talking to?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you have a dick.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: That's not your dick.
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SPEAKER_00: Diggs.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, it is a bottom.
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SPEAKER_05: It is my dick.
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SPEAKER_05: I bought it as you don't.
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SPEAKER_05: I wear it in the bottom.
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SPEAKER_06: Like, is that your hair?
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SPEAKER_06: Like, is that your real hair?
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SPEAKER_06: They're like, yeah, that's my hair.
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SPEAKER_00: Never have I once looked at my dick and was like, somebody needs to see this.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna take a picture and send it to somebody.
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SPEAKER_06: Oh, it's not about that's not what we're talking about either.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, can I yeah, can I explain the thing?
13:17
SPEAKER_05: You can keep now he's talking to you like he talks to me.
13:19
SPEAKER_05: Thank God I was waiting for this.
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SPEAKER_05: Can I explain the thing?
13:21
SPEAKER_05: You're absolutely welcome to keep up the delusion that you're giving yourself to avoid the question I'm asking.
13:26
SPEAKER_05: There you go.
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SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
13:27
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I will say I will say one more thing and then you can ask your question.
13:32
SPEAKER_00: Not every guy knows that their dick is big.
13:35
SPEAKER_06: Usually it's not.
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SPEAKER_06: So that's fine.
13:37
SPEAKER_06: See, is everybody happy with their dick though?
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SPEAKER_06: No.
13:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that's probably part of that's part of it too.
13:43
SPEAKER_00: But some people have like big dicks and they still into color.
13:45
SPEAKER_06: It's just body dysmorphia.
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SPEAKER_06: Yes.
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SPEAKER_06: It's not even about big dick.
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SPEAKER_06: What is your question?
13:48
SPEAKER_06: I think I'm ugly.
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SPEAKER_00: I just wanted to do I just want to disprove your point.
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SPEAKER_00: Not all guys know that.
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SPEAKER_00: And I made a little joke to her as guys.
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SPEAKER_05: I'm not saying that guys, I will agree with you that not all guys know the value of their dick.
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SPEAKER_05: I'm saying all guys know whether they have a small average or large dick.
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_05: Bullshit.
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: As a guy, I'm telling you right now, no.
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SPEAKER_05: The only reason why I know there's enough locker rooms and porn that you guys have interacted with that you would know this.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't I don't know if you know.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: She just knows she likes it.
14:23
SPEAKER_06: A lot of porn.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that's all I know.
14:24
SPEAKER_05: And if you look at the city, that would be like that would be like you telling, wait a minute.
14:28
SPEAKER_05: That would be like you telling a woman that we don't know the size of our tits.
14:32
SPEAKER_05: You have a grade.
14:34
SPEAKER_06: You have a grade.
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SPEAKER_06: Mine are 36C, but I don't know if that's big or small, or I don't like compare it.
14:40
SPEAKER_01: I just know the size of the It also depends on which region of the world you're in.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and I know like how how, you know, I know that this is bigger or smaller or whatever, or that I like it or that I don't.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't know if it's big.
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SPEAKER_00: And also that's really subjective, the size, and isn't 34 C in centimeters or inches?
15:00
SPEAKER_01: 36, isn't it?
15:01
SPEAKER_01: Inches, so it could it's something else in a different country.
15:04
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
15:04
SPEAKER_01: So you don't know what the average is.
15:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but there's no measurement for a guy.
15:09
SPEAKER_05: No, there is.
15:09
SPEAKER_05: It's a tape measure.
15:10
SPEAKER_00: No, and I've never done that either.
15:12
SPEAKER_00: But guess what?
15:13
SPEAKER_00: Guess what?
15:14
SPEAKER_00: Five and a half to six is the average for the American male.
15:18
SPEAKER_00: Like, what is your what it what's a big size for you?
15:21
SPEAKER_05: It depends on how are we measuring?
15:22
SPEAKER_05: In inches.
15:23
SPEAKER_05: Are we measuring around or long?
15:24
SPEAKER_05: Long, in inches.
15:27
SPEAKER_05: How are we measuring?
15:28
SPEAKER_05: How yeah, I don't know.
15:29
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so you don't know big labels.
15:31
SPEAKER_00: In length.
15:32
SPEAKER_05: In length to me, anything over hard?
15:35
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
15:36
SPEAKER_05: Anything over six to seven inches is large.
15:38
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
15:39
SPEAKER_05: That's large for you.
15:40
SPEAKER_05: Seven and over for me is large.
15:41
SPEAKER_05: I would say seven and over is relatively seven and over is large.
15:44
SPEAKER_00: Do you know what the average size in America is?
15:47
SPEAKER_05: Five and a half inches.
15:48
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
15:48
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
15:49
SPEAKER_00: That's a whopping five and a half inches.
15:50
SPEAKER_05: It's hard.
15:51
SPEAKER_05: Five and a half inches.
15:52
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:52
SPEAKER_00: That was a whopping five and a half inches.
15:54
SPEAKER_00: I watched a documentary.
15:55
SPEAKER_00: They said a whopping five and a half inches.
15:57
SPEAKER_00: Have you talked to guys in a locker room?
15:59
SPEAKER_00: That's tiny.
15:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:00
SPEAKER_01: All my life growing up, that was tiny.
16:02
SPEAKER_01: To guys in a locker room.
16:05
SPEAKER_05: To the guys that in a locker room that are willing to show off their penis, or ones that are like, yeah, and I've I'm not going to try to disprove it.
16:10
SPEAKER_05: Here's the thing.
16:11
SPEAKER_00: Here's the thing.
16:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a big old thong, exactly a big hanging foot.
16:16
SPEAKER_00: In in the locker room, the guys that thought they were big would show it off.
16:21
SPEAKER_00: Everybody else would keep it in a package.
16:23
SPEAKER_00: Like those are the guys where it's not.
16:24
SPEAKER_05: It means you had a conscious thought of whether or not your penis was big.
16:28
SPEAKER_05: Or if it was proved my point.
16:30
SPEAKER_00: You said conscious thought.
16:32
SPEAKER_00: Yes, you said no.
16:34
SPEAKER_00: You just you just said no.
16:36
SPEAKER_06: What if you're like, you know, 10 inches?
16:38
SPEAKER_01: The conscious thought was they thought it was big.
16:40
SPEAKER_01: Doesn't mean it was big.
16:41
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but that's the whole point about cuck holding.
16:44
SPEAKER_05: It's a psychology, it's a mental game.
16:47
SPEAKER_05: They don't think they're adequate enough to satisfy their woman.
16:51
SPEAKER_00: They could have 10-inch dicks and they're still like oh, I'm so small.
16:54
SPEAKER_00: I'm talking about your comment that all guys know that whether they're small, big, and large.
16:58
SPEAKER_06: But they do.
16:59
SPEAKER_06: They do not.
17:00
SPEAKER_06: I'm telling you right now.
17:01
SPEAKER_06: I don't know if my labia are.
17:03
SPEAKER_06: I've bought I have some body dysmorphia.
17:05
SPEAKER_06: I think I'm ugly.
17:06
SPEAKER_06: I think I'm fat.
17:06
SPEAKER_06: I have no idea.
17:08
SPEAKER_06: And everybody thinks I'm insane.
17:09
SPEAKER_06: They think I'm nuts, and I'm like, this is what I've been told.
17:11
SPEAKER_06: This is my mental model of myself.
17:13
SPEAKER_05: I mean, doctors have been telling me for years that I'm morbidly obese.
17:16
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, well, they're fucking stupid.
17:18
SPEAKER_05: No, I'm not kidding.
17:19
SPEAKER_05: That's what they tell me.
17:20
SPEAKER_04: Yes, they tell me that too.
17:21
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
17:22
SPEAKER_00: But it's a that there's there's this weird scale that they bullshit.
17:25
SPEAKER_05: But I'm 5'8, 215, and we're a size 14.
17:32
SPEAKER_05: Yes, I mean I get the same thing too.
17:34
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
17:34
SPEAKER_05: You're good.
17:35
SPEAKER_00: 5'11, 260 is good.
17:39
SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, no.
17:40
SPEAKER_00: So back to cuck holding.
17:41
SPEAKER_00: No, no, I'm gonna stick with guys things.
17:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm shocked I'm talking about no, I want to talk about the guys' thing.
17:46
SPEAKER_00: Not all guys know this, and I want to tell my joke too, because my my polyamory joke is like, how many partners is too many partners?
17:54
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, ten, because maybe if I had ten partners all telling me I had a big dick, then I'd believe it.
18:01
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's a good sample size.
18:04
SPEAKER_06: 30 is actually a sample size.
18:06
SPEAKER_06: But you laughed.
18:07
SPEAKER_06: But laugh because you're a name.
18:09
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, whatever.
18:09
SPEAKER_06: He's working on it.
18:10
SPEAKER_06: I'm working on working on his material.
18:11
SPEAKER_00: I'm lame.
18:11
SPEAKER_00: You both laugh.
18:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:12
SPEAKER_00: You both laugh.
18:13
SPEAKER_00: I laugh because I'm but my point is I actually don't know.
18:16
SPEAKER_00: If a woman didn't say, hey, I like your cock, or it's just nice.
18:20
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
18:21
SPEAKER_06: Or like I actually don't know if it's big or not.
18:23
SPEAKER_06: I have no idea.
18:23
SPEAKER_06: I just like how do you not?
18:25
SPEAKER_06: I don't know the measurements.
18:26
SPEAKER_06: I don't have to be.
18:27
SPEAKER_06: It's all subjective.
18:28
SPEAKER_06: I'm telling you, you can't be the judge.
18:30
SPEAKER_06: What your vagina is like a fucking bucket.
18:32
SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
18:33
unknown: Oh my god.
18:33
SPEAKER_06: What if what if I'm you know hung open like what is a big vagina?
18:38
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
18:38
SPEAKER_01: What's a what's a big vagina and a tight vagina?
18:41
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
18:42
SPEAKER_05: I mean, like if you can throw a tennis ball through it without it touching walls, that's a big note.
18:46
SPEAKER_01: But if you're a person with like a 10-inch uh dick that's uh around, then that's not that's not big to you.
18:52
SPEAKER_01: That's really tight.
18:53
SPEAKER_06: Have you ever hold on?
18:54
SPEAKER_06: It's all subjective.
18:55
SPEAKER_06: It's all subjective somebody with a real tiny dick.
18:58
SPEAKER_06: Real tiny.
18:59
SPEAKER_05: Um, I refuse to fuck somebody with a ridiculous dick.
19:02
SPEAKER_05: Oh, that's right.
19:03
SPEAKER_05: We talked about that.
19:03
SPEAKER_05: You walked clean out, you're like, I'm not sure.
19:05
SPEAKER_05: I did on one guy I did.
19:07
SPEAKER_06: Yep.
19:07
SPEAKER_00: I do know how to do it.
19:08
SPEAKER_00: In my defense, I was 19.
19:10
SPEAKER_06: That doesn't matter.
19:11
SPEAKER_06: It's fine.
19:12
SPEAKER_06: You walk right out.
19:12
SPEAKER_06: I did.
19:13
SPEAKER_05: I walked out like we did the whole flirting like back in the day when you went to bars and you picked somebody up at a bar and you drank and you flirted and you danced.
19:20
SPEAKER_05: You did the whole song and dance like birds do, like the whole mating thing.
19:24
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you caught all over the place, and then you decide whose house you're going to afterward, and you do the awkward ride to somebody's house, like you usually follow the other person because you don't want to be reliant on being stuck there.
19:34
SPEAKER_05: Hold on, I have a flashback.
19:35
SPEAKER_05: Sorry.
19:36
SPEAKER_05: So you follow the person awkwardly to their house, and then you have to awkwardly walk in and figure out like, are we gonna sit down?
19:41
SPEAKER_06: What about when it's not awkward?
19:42
SPEAKER_05: No, it's always awkward.
19:44
SPEAKER_05: No, when it's not, yeah, it's not, yeah.
19:46
SPEAKER_05: And so then we like go into the bedroom, we're talking, and like you start stripping down, and he was proud.
19:51
SPEAKER_05: Like he did the whole bathroom first thing where like he went to the house.
19:56
SPEAKER_05: No, he knew he didn't.
19:58
SPEAKER_05: He was trying to use confidence to compensate.
20:00
SPEAKER_05: Ah, okay.
20:01
SPEAKER_05: There's some guy.
20:02
SPEAKER_05: So like he leaves, like he I go to the bathroom to do the like I have to leave the bathroom, the the lady thing.
20:08
SPEAKER_05: And so when I came out, he was butt ass naked, laying on the bed, like like spread eagle just laying there.
20:16
SPEAKER_05: Um but I mean we did the cacaw dance, the whole leg like up and he's no like just like laying all on his back, like comfortable, like and doing a wish I had a camera on.
20:25
SPEAKER_05: In in his defense, we had cacaw danced all night long to get to this point.
20:31
SPEAKER_05: I go, I go, I come out of the bathroom like ready to strip, and I'm like, I sit on the bed.
20:38
SPEAKER_06: You left him, you were clothed and you left him naked.
20:40
SPEAKER_06: You walked out of the house.
20:42
SPEAKER_06: That's fucking bad.
20:43
SPEAKER_06: That is wait.
20:44
SPEAKER_06: I did.
20:45
SPEAKER_00: Wait, I want to hear the rest because I need to know if he was like fully hard or he tried, it might not have even mattered.
20:51
SPEAKER_05: It didn't even matter.
20:53
SPEAKER_05: Savage, that's fucking like I so I was like, oh, I love it.
20:58
SPEAKER_05: Going to get undressed, and like I got partially undressed.
21:01
SPEAKER_05: So like thinking maybe he's a grower.
21:04
SPEAKER_05: Like thinking he's a grower, like because that's a legitimate thing.
21:08
SPEAKER_05: Growers and showers.
21:09
SPEAKER_06: Oh yeah, that's true too.
21:10
SPEAKER_05: So I was like, okay, this like there's still time to salvage the cacaw dance of the night that I did.
21:17
SPEAKER_05: Or target for this.
21:18
SPEAKER_05: Oh, did and yeah, I got tipsy for this.
21:21
SPEAKER_05: And um as I'm getting undressed, and like he is getting hard, and then I was like, that that was it.
21:29
SPEAKER_05: Like it it legitimately could have clinically been described as a micro penis.
21:34
SPEAKER_06: Wow, I think I have also fucked a micro penis.
21:37
SPEAKER_06: I'm not positive.
21:38
SPEAKER_05: And so I I bold faced, I just stopped and I was like, I can't do this.
21:42
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
21:42
SPEAKER_00: And you knew it was you saw you knew it was fully hard.
21:45
SPEAKER_05: It was fully hard.
21:46
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
21:47
SPEAKER_05: And I was and he's like, What are you talking about?
21:49
SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, I I can't I can't do this.
21:52
SPEAKER_05: I said, I can't in good faith do this with you.
21:54
SPEAKER_05: I was like, I gotta go.
21:56
SPEAKER_05: I was like, I gotta go.
21:57
SPEAKER_05: And he's like, Are you fucking kidding me?
21:59
SPEAKER_05: Like he got all pissed.
22:00
SPEAKER_05: And everything, and I'm like, like you getting pissed off is not actually wanting me to stay any more than I thought I didn't want to.
22:07
SPEAKER_05: And I did, I got dressed and left.
22:10
SPEAKER_05: No.
22:10
SPEAKER_05: Good.
22:11
SPEAKER_06: Have you ever asked anybody?
22:13
SPEAKER_05: I never saw him again either.
22:14
SPEAKER_05: But I was 19.
22:15
SPEAKER_05: 19.
22:16
SPEAKER_05: You're not gonna do that.
22:17
SPEAKER_06: I think I was 19.
22:18
SPEAKER_06: Have you ever asked anybody?
22:19
SPEAKER_06: Is it in?
22:23
SPEAKER_06: Oh wow, have I?
22:24
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
22:25
SPEAKER_06: There you go.
22:26
SPEAKER_06: Think about that one for a while.
22:27
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, let me think about that.
22:28
SPEAKER_06: I was 19 too.
22:29
SPEAKER_00: That's good on you for uh for walking out, though.
22:32
SPEAKER_06: I should have walked out.
22:33
SPEAKER_05: I don't think I have.
22:34
SPEAKER_05: I don't think I've ever asked that question.
22:36
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
22:37
SPEAKER_05: I have asked the question, did you come?
22:39
SPEAKER_05: Walk out.
22:40
SPEAKER_05: That's different.
22:40
SPEAKER_05: That's different.
22:41
SPEAKER_05: But no, I don't think I've ever fine.
22:43
SPEAKER_06: They can hide that at the time.
22:44
SPEAKER_06: But no, I never asked, are you in?
22:47
SPEAKER_06: Just keep going.
22:48
SPEAKER_06: Awesome.
22:49
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, sometimes I can.
22:50
SPEAKER_05: But yeah, I did walk out.
22:51
SPEAKER_05: Great.
22:52
SPEAKER_05: I never saw them again.
22:53
SPEAKER_05: But you gotta remember, this is back pre-cell phone.
22:55
SPEAKER_05: That doesn't matter.
22:56
SPEAKER_05: Pre-social media.
22:57
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I didn't know.
22:58
SPEAKER_05: Like if you didn't exchange numbers at the bar, you had no way of knowing who this person was or like how to get a hold of them.
23:04
SPEAKER_05: So this was like ask him if it was in.
23:06
SPEAKER_05: Well, it didn't get a chance.
23:07
SPEAKER_05: Good.
23:07
SPEAKER_05: Like, yeah, good.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:10
SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't have done that at night.
23:11
SPEAKER_00: I did.
23:11
SPEAKER_05: I walked out.
23:12
SPEAKER_00: I couldn't, yeah.
23:14
SPEAKER_05: And then called my girlfriend.
23:15
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
23:16
SPEAKER_00: So I wasn't doing well.
23:17
SPEAKER_00: I did the girlfriend.
23:18
SPEAKER_06: I had somebody going down on me, and I just I laughed and I got up and I was like, Yeah, I gotta go.
23:24
SPEAKER_06: I've stopped people going down on me.
23:26
SPEAKER_05: I stopped, I was like, nah no, I gotta go.
23:28
SPEAKER_05: I I've stopped, I'm like, you need to stop.
23:30
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
23:31
SPEAKER_05: And they'd be like, what?
23:32
SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, okay, so if this is something you really want to do, you're just gonna either have to listen or we need to stop.
23:37
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, I just laughed and left.
23:39
SPEAKER_06: I was also very drunk.
23:40
SPEAKER_05: They listened.
23:41
SPEAKER_05: But I mean, like, I have stopped people.
23:43
SPEAKER_06: Good.
23:43
SPEAKER_06: You should.
23:44
SPEAKER_06: I mean, I this was somebody I like to know.
23:46
SPEAKER_05: I mean, would a guy not stop a girl if it was hurting or bad?
23:49
SPEAKER_06: No, I would hope.
23:50
SPEAKER_06: I would hope.
23:51
SPEAKER_06: You are a damn why.
23:53
SPEAKER_06: I why?
23:54
SPEAKER_06: I hope that I would be stopped because then they can correct it a little bit and be like You would never stop and correct a girl if they were doing it bad.
24:02
SPEAKER_05: He never does.
24:02
SPEAKER_05: Or hurting you.
24:03
SPEAKER_05: Nope.
24:04
SPEAKER_06: I have no idea.
24:04
SPEAKER_06: I get no feedback.
24:05
SPEAKER_06: Zero.
24:06
SPEAKER_06: He's just like you could keep doing it.
24:07
SPEAKER_00: That's not true.
24:08
SPEAKER_00: Not now, not with a partner.
24:09
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I have in the past just like kept going.
24:11
SPEAKER_06: Why?
24:12
SPEAKER_07: Oh, the one that hurt?
24:13
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, why teethy?
24:15
SPEAKER_00: Apparently it would hurt.
24:16
SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say very teethy.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: I let her keep going.
24:18
SPEAKER_00: You just let her do let her think that she knew what she was doing.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: No, no, she was very enthusiastic about it.
24:24
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I thought he was a good one.
24:25
SPEAKER_00: And then wondered why, like Wow, you're not coming.
24:29
SPEAKER_06: So there's a blowjob, but you're also trying to kill her.
24:32
SPEAKER_06: I don't know if you know this.
24:32
SPEAKER_00: There's a but he was gonna blow job.
24:35
SPEAKER_00: There's a there's a thing called CBT.
24:37
SPEAKER_05: I know.
24:38
SPEAKER_00: And see, the B for me is definitely out.
24:42
SPEAKER_00: But the C you you can kind of hit it in that a little bit.
24:46
SPEAKER_00: Okay, that makes sense.
24:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, teeth the teeth is fine.
24:48
SPEAKER_06: This is the value of this podcast, yeah, because I learned that kind of stuff, and then I can use it.
24:53
SPEAKER_06: So it like I work through the triggers of all the other bullshit because I learn interesting little things that I get to use.
24:58
SPEAKER_00: And she forgot because of it.
24:59
SPEAKER_00: The little nuggets.
25:00
SPEAKER_06: No, no, I knew that, but I didn't know.
25:01
SPEAKER_06: I actually no, that's not true.
25:03
SPEAKER_06: I actually did remember that because sometimes I do use that a little bit.
25:06
SPEAKER_00: We've talked about this, so this is this podcast is evidence because all the times we've talked about it.
25:11
SPEAKER_06: Whatever.
25:12
SPEAKER_06: I know I told you this in the beginning.
25:16
SPEAKER_06: We have so squirreled from the topic.
25:18
SPEAKER_06: That doesn't matter.
25:19
SPEAKER_06: I feel sorry for our listeners.
25:21
SPEAKER_06: They like the squirreling.
25:22
SPEAKER_01: You think squirreling is bad.
25:24
SPEAKER_01: Every other podcast squirrels.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: And apparently, people like the squirreling.
25:27
SPEAKER_01: Everybody loves the squirreling.
25:28
SPEAKER_01: Would you listen to me?
25:29
SPEAKER_01: Do you think I started this thing?
25:30
SPEAKER_01: Because I just got a thing in my ass.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh let me.
25:33
SPEAKER_00: No, I did research.
25:34
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: I don't doubt it.
25:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:36
SPEAKER_00: Apparently people like the squirreling.
25:38
SPEAKER_05: It's okay.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:39
SPEAKER_00: People needed to know.
25:39
SPEAKER_00: And also, apparently, women need to know that all guys know that their dick is big.
25:45
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
25:45
SPEAKER_05: Or small.
25:46
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
25:46
SPEAKER_05: And I still don't believe you.
25:48
SPEAKER_05: I think a man knows if his dick is small.
25:50
SPEAKER_05: Oh, that is not true.
25:52
SPEAKER_06: You just proved it by your story.
25:54
SPEAKER_06: Think about vaginas.
25:55
SPEAKER_06: You just proved it on my story.
25:56
SPEAKER_05: I'm not saying he didn't know his dick was small.
25:58
SPEAKER_05: I was saying he was very confident that it didn't matter.
26:02
SPEAKER_00: Uh I would beg to difference.
26:04
SPEAKER_05: I think he knew.
26:06
SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
26:07
SPEAKER_05: I could not have been the first person that reacted.
26:09
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna I'm gonna send you another podcast.
26:13
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
26:13
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna send you another podcast where the the lady is a comedian and she had sex with this famous uh baseball player, and because of his thing, he just thought like, oh my dick's huge, and it ended up being small because nobody told him because he was a baseball player.
26:29
SPEAKER_00: Fuck.
26:30
SPEAKER_00: Played in the MLP.
26:32
SPEAKER_01: It's like a bat.
26:33
SPEAKER_01: It's all subjective.
26:35
SPEAKER_01: It's all tiny little thing.
26:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so yeah, guys don't know.
26:39
SPEAKER_00: Guys don't know.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: I just luckily haven't been more.
26:42
SPEAKER_00: Like a Blueville slugger.
26:44
SPEAKER_06: I just always from a PES to spend the one you get from the trophies, yeah.
26:50
SPEAKER_05: But yeah, I mean, the one that you get in the boxes like your like your pop boxes up there.
26:55
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
27:01
SPEAKER_06: We're on point tonight, man.
27:03
SPEAKER_00: We shouldn't talk about those guys.
27:05
SPEAKER_00: Micropenis is an actual thing, it's very sad.
27:09
SPEAKER_05: But it's a thing.
27:10
SPEAKER_05: Hold on.
27:10
SPEAKER_05: It's a truth.
27:10
SPEAKER_05: Wait a minute.
27:11
SPEAKER_05: Why is it sad?
27:12
SPEAKER_05: Wait a minute.
27:12
SPEAKER_05: We're not shaming them, though.
27:14
SPEAKER_05: No, no.
27:14
SPEAKER_00: But I'm saying, I know you're not, but I'm just saying.
27:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but why is it you're shaming them?
27:18
SPEAKER_00: Why is it?
27:19
SPEAKER_00: Micropenis is a very tragic condition.
27:22
SPEAKER_05: Why?
27:22
SPEAKER_00: Because it's very hard.
27:25
SPEAKER_00: It's so there are women that are cool with that.
27:29
SPEAKER_06: I wonder about trans people.
27:32
SPEAKER_00: I don't even know.
27:33
SPEAKER_00: You threw a whole nother squirreling thing in there.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, but I know there are women that are cool with that, but then they're also aromantic and asexual women that really don't need it, so they wouldn't want to have sex, but it's like I think it's there's a thing where for me, I like to satisfy my partners in all areas.
27:52
SPEAKER_00: And also sex for me is not for me.
27:55
SPEAKER_00: That's why I think it's sad.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: It's very subjective when I say it's sad because for me, it's about satisfying my partners.
28:01
SPEAKER_00: I could have masturbate and be fine.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: But like I just realized recently that sex is for my partners.
28:07
SPEAKER_00: That's why I wouldn't even want it.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: Like a threesome is not in my mind.
28:11
SPEAKER_04: What if your partner liked it?
28:13
SPEAKER_00: Then I would do it for them, but both partners or whoever is involved would need to like it.
28:18
SPEAKER_00: Just like sex in public.
28:19
SPEAKER_00: I just that doesn't do anything for me.
28:21
SPEAKER_00: But if my partner was like, hey, let's do this, I want to do this, and I would do it for them.
28:25
SPEAKER_00: And uh there's plenty of times like I'm raising my hand.
28:28
SPEAKER_00: There's plenty of times where sex has happened and I like wasn't on my mind, but they wanted to do it, so I did it.
28:37
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
28:38
SPEAKER_05: You sound like 80% of the married women in America right now.
28:42
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
28:43
SPEAKER_05: He's a married one.
28:44
SPEAKER_05: So why why is it any special for you when that's what 80% of American women that are married go through on a regular basis?
28:51
SPEAKER_00: Because I'm like, yeah.
28:52
SPEAKER_05: Also, um It's like, oh my gosh, it's a thing because me, man, now think of this.
29:00
SPEAKER_05: Meanwhile, women have been dealing with this shit.
29:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, good for y'all.
29:03
SPEAKER_00: I can't do anything about them, but I can do it from I can say this for myself.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: That uh uh what was I gonna say?
29:10
SPEAKER_00: I forgot now.
29:11
SPEAKER_00: You distracted me.
29:16
SPEAKER_00: But anyways, that is why I said that because there are guys that I'm a basic white girl, apparently.
29:21
SPEAKER_00: I like white claw.
29:22
SPEAKER_00: I'm a basic white.
29:23
SPEAKER_05: And you are a basic white girl.
29:24
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so 100%.
29:25
SPEAKER_00: There I'm just saying there are guys that do that stuff.
29:27
SPEAKER_05: As he holds his white claw.
29:28
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
29:29
SPEAKER_06: Yes, yes.
29:30
SPEAKER_06: He's a basic bitch.
29:31
SPEAKER_06: This is for the record, he's a basic bitch.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: We've always I like it.
29:35
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so yeah, I'm just saying there are there are people, there are guys out there too.
29:39
SPEAKER_06: I think about trans people with that, because I'm attracted to everybody.
29:44
SPEAKER_06: I'm pansexual, so I I don't mind.
29:46
SPEAKER_06: And I was like, just out of curiosity in my head, I was just kind of going over this thought experiment.
29:50
SPEAKER_06: Like, uh what would I do with the penis of a trans man?
29:55
SPEAKER_06: Because if they're transitioning, it's a large clitoris.
29:59
SPEAKER_06: Let's say they're pre-surgery and it's just a growing clitoris.
30:01
SPEAKER_06: Or if they're post-surgery and it's been uh it's a reconstructed penis, or I actually not reconstructed, it is a constructed penis.
30:09
SPEAKER_06: What would I do?
30:10
SPEAKER_00: It's not it's kind of not up to you, too.
30:12
SPEAKER_00: It's it's up to them because it they if they have the uh the gender reassignment surgery?
30:17
SPEAKER_00: No, it's the um whether they like the fact that they have a penis or not, I forgot the word of sometimes they don't do bottom transitioning, is that what you mean?
30:24
SPEAKER_00: No, no.
30:25
SPEAKER_00: There's um no I'm not talking about surgery part of it.
30:27
SPEAKER_00: It's just whether they like the fact that they have it goes back to like the body dysphoria.
30:32
SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah, yeah.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: There's a there's a word for it, but okay um some uh just reading from Rabbit don't even like Reddit that uh don't even like to be touched.
30:42
SPEAKER_00: Really?
30:42
SPEAKER_05: Yes, because it's triggering to them.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a it's a genital dysmorphia thing.
30:47
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
30:48
SPEAKER_06: I forgot the word for it, but um so you would have to ask them like Imagine I had a partner though that did and that considered that a penis.
30:55
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
30:56
SPEAKER_06: Had a surgery or had um hormone therapy and was growing a clitoris into a you know uh morphed penis.
31:03
SPEAKER_06: I guess that's exactly what it is, the same damn thing.
31:05
SPEAKER_06: Or had reassignment surgery and had skin grafts and whatever and tried to create a penis.
31:10
SPEAKER_06: What would I think about that?
31:11
SPEAKER_06: Because it's not gonna be eight inches long.
31:14
SPEAKER_06: I'm pretty sure.
31:15
SPEAKER_06: Maybe they could be.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: I think they could change it any length.
31:17
SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
31:18
SPEAKER_00: I think they can change it any length.
31:19
SPEAKER_05: I think it just depends on how you feel about penises in general.
31:22
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
31:23
SPEAKER_05: And what how do you feel?
31:24
SPEAKER_05: How do you feel about penis?
31:25
SPEAKER_05: How do I feel about dildos matter?
31:27
SPEAKER_06: Right.
31:27
SPEAKER_06: How do I feel about dildos instead of penis?
31:29
SPEAKER_06: How do I feel about like being pegged instead?
31:30
SPEAKER_06: Let's say that we're only we can only do pegging.
31:32
SPEAKER_06: How do I feel about pegging?
31:34
SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
31:35
SPEAKER_05: Well, so if it's a woman doing to you, we don't really call it pegging, we just call it strap-on-play.
31:39
SPEAKER_05: I don't pegging is for men.
31:41
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
31:42
SPEAKER_05: Oh, for men with ah, okay.
31:43
SPEAKER_06: If it was strap, yeah, it'd be strap-on-play.
31:45
SPEAKER_06: So if if I had a trans partner.
31:47
SPEAKER_05: Trying to be picky.
31:48
SPEAKER_06: No, that's good.
31:49
SPEAKER_06: Perfect.
31:49
SPEAKER_06: I have no idea.
31:50
SPEAKER_06: I didn't know that either.
31:51
SPEAKER_06: That's good.
31:51
SPEAKER_06: So it's only pegging if it's a uh woman doing it to a man.
31:55
SPEAKER_05: Because you're doing it analyzing.
31:57
SPEAKER_05: You could peg a woman straight, but it's still just a few.
32:00
SPEAKER_05: No, like strap on play, then good.
32:01
SPEAKER_05: I don't know the terminology.
32:02
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so okay, so if it's strap-on play, and I thought, is that adequate for me?
32:07
SPEAKER_05: Is that adequate for you?
32:08
SPEAKER_05: I was thinking.
32:09
SPEAKER_05: Is it adequate for you if you get to pick the pe if you get to pick the dildo?
32:12
SPEAKER_05: Or does it matter?
32:13
SPEAKER_05: I would have them pick it.
32:14
SPEAKER_06: I'm glad you just asked me that.
32:16
SPEAKER_06: I know.
32:16
SPEAKER_05: Because so if you would have them pick it, what difference does it make the size of the penis that you can do?
32:20
SPEAKER_05: Actually, it doesn't.
32:20
SPEAKER_06: That's what I thought.
32:21
SPEAKER_06: I actually was like turned on.
32:22
SPEAKER_06: Like I would want their natural penis, whatever they choose.
32:25
SPEAKER_06: Or whatever they choose.
32:26
SPEAKER_06: Or vagina, whatever they choose, because it's theirs.
32:28
SPEAKER_06: Right.
32:28
SPEAKER_06: So I would just be happy with that.
32:30
SPEAKER_05: Because you're dim.
32:31
SPEAKER_05: But this one's not about it's not about the the actual body part, it's about the connection you already have with the person.
32:36
SPEAKER_05: Except that one motherfucker with that little penis that was uh that yeah, that was that guy was an apple.
32:41
SPEAKER_06: And that's when I didn't care.
32:42
SPEAKER_05: And then I was like, is it really about the penis?
32:44
SPEAKER_00: Is somebody identifies as a man?
32:46
SPEAKER_05: No, like pegging, like you my understanding, and I'm sure somebody in the community will prove me wrong.
32:52
SPEAKER_00: And we're here for opinions anyway.
32:54
SPEAKER_05: Go ahead, prove us wrong.
32:56
SPEAKER_05: Pegging is when a woman fucks a man in the ass with a strap on.
32:59
SPEAKER_05: That's pegging.
33:00
SPEAKER_05: But if a woman, if a woman fucks another woman with a dildo, that's like strap play.
33:05
SPEAKER_05: That's a few.
33:08
SPEAKER_05: Well, I mean, you don't fuck with a vagina.
33:11
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
33:12
SPEAKER_00: I'm talking about the strap-on play.
33:13
SPEAKER_05: Right.
33:14
SPEAKER_05: If I put a strap on on and fuck her, we're having strap-on play.
33:17
SPEAKER_05: If I put a strap on and fuck you, I'm pegging you.
33:21
SPEAKER_00: But whichever hole.
33:23
SPEAKER_05: I would think so, yes.
33:24
SPEAKER_05: If it's in her ass or in her vagina, I'm I'm doing strap-on play with her.
33:28
SPEAKER_05: But if I'm fucking you, I'm pegging you.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: What if it's uh somebody that identifies as a man?
33:33
SPEAKER_05: What hole am I hitting?
33:34
SPEAKER_00: Either one.
33:35
SPEAKER_06: I would think it would be pegging if it's if I was a um non-binary, let's say, let's say I I had all my female parts, but I was a trans man.
33:46
SPEAKER_06: Then I would call it pegging.
33:47
SPEAKER_06: I would call it pegging how you identify.
33:50
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
33:50
SPEAKER_05: I would make sense.
33:52
SPEAKER_05: I would I would call it pegging because I'm respecting how she how this person identifies.
33:55
SPEAKER_00: Right.
33:56
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter which hole.
33:57
SPEAKER_05: Right.
33:57
SPEAKER_05: Um, it's not about the hole at that point.
33:59
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's about the person who has gender identity.
34:02
SPEAKER_00: So if you're getting interesting.
34:04
SPEAKER_00: Fuck with a strap on and you're not.
34:05
SPEAKER_05: Again, I'm sure there's somebody in the community that's gonna leave me through the cool.
34:10
SPEAKER_05: I'm coming at it from my experience.
34:12
SPEAKER_00: That's why we are seeing enemies, and it doesn't matter if we're right because it's our opinion.
34:16
SPEAKER_06: We're the authorities here.
34:17
SPEAKER_06: Right.
34:17
SPEAKER_06: No, we're gonna have to listen to this.
34:19
SPEAKER_06: Did you see the disclaimer?
34:20
SPEAKER_06: Did you hear the disclaimer?
34:21
SPEAKER_06: I heard the disclaimer.
34:22
SPEAKER_06: There's a disclaimer about it.
34:23
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I'm gonna take that definition.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: So I like strap on with somebody that identifies as a male.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: Doesn't matter which one.
34:32
SPEAKER_06: I'm I'm enjoying that definition.
34:34
SPEAKER_05: A female person who is sexually penetrating somebody who identifies as a male.
34:38
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
34:39
SPEAKER_06: Is pegging.
34:39
SPEAKER_05: Is pegging, is what I'm gonna go with.
34:41
SPEAKER_06: I would think it's got to do with a dominant submission kind of thing, too.
34:44
SPEAKER_06: It's not just regular old sex.
34:45
SPEAKER_06: It is very specifically like I am.
34:48
SPEAKER_06: Well, I mean, there's a power exchange with that.
34:50
SPEAKER_06: Yes, right.
34:50
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, there's a power exchange that naturally goes hand in hand with pegging.
34:55
SPEAKER_05: It's just how deep do you take that power exchange?
34:57
SPEAKER_05: There you go.
34:57
SPEAKER_06: I think I bet it's yeah, in my own.
34:59
SPEAKER_05: And what's the purpose of the pegging?
35:01
SPEAKER_05: Because there can be different levels of purposes.
35:04
SPEAKER_00: Why is there a power exchange?
35:05
SPEAKER_05: Oh, how would you would you like to get into that?
35:08
SPEAKER_06: Am I talking too loud?
35:09
SPEAKER_06: Am I am I talking too much or anything?
35:11
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
35:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's a power exchange with our original topic with uh cuck holding and cuck queening, too.
35:15
SPEAKER_05: So in the natural in the natural in the natural science of of sex, right?
35:20
SPEAKER_05: Do men get fucked in the ass?
35:23
SPEAKER_00: Right.
35:23
SPEAKER_00: No.
35:24
SPEAKER_05: No.
35:24
SPEAKER_05: Right.
35:25
SPEAKER_05: So now we're talking about a power exchange because we're in theory, based on genetics and history, we're forcing you to do a sexual act that's not natural to you.
35:37
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
35:37
SPEAKER_06: It's a dominant play.
35:38
SPEAKER_05: Is it like a which is a power play?
35:40
SPEAKER_05: It doesn't have to be feminizing to be a power exchange.
35:43
SPEAKER_06: I think it's more of a yeah, it's a power exchange.
35:46
SPEAKER_06: Relieving them of their autonomy somehow.
35:48
SPEAKER_00: So do you believe any position where a penis goes into vagina that the person with the penis is the one in ch in control?
35:58
SPEAKER_05: Oh fuck that.
35:59
SPEAKER_05: No, I've had plenty of penises in me and I've been in absolute control of the situation.
36:04
SPEAKER_05: So power I'm saying you're trying to, you're, you're, you're analyzing apples and oranges.
36:12
SPEAKER_05: Take one thing at a time and analyze each one thing at a time.
36:14
SPEAKER_05: If I, as a woman, put a strap on on and I fuck a man's ass with that strap on, I'm pegging him.
36:22
SPEAKER_05: It is a form of power exchange.
36:25
SPEAKER_05: Because we are we are we are having a a sexual act that is in theory not natural to have in control space.
36:40
SPEAKER_05: A man's giving up the power.
36:43
SPEAKER_05: They're physically giving up the power to be fucked.
36:46
SPEAKER_05: They're going against their natural dominant whatever.
36:49
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
36:50
SPEAKER_05: I mean, if you look at the gay culture, they're still a top and a bottom.
36:56
SPEAKER_05: Is that not a power exchange?
37:01
SPEAKER_05: If you look at vanilla sex, is there not some form of power exchange?
37:05
SPEAKER_05: Is not one person on top of the other?
37:07
SPEAKER_06: I'm always the boss.
37:10
SPEAKER_05: Think about it.
37:11
SPEAKER_05: Why do you think why do you think it's so intriguing for a woman for a man to have a woman ride him?
37:17
SPEAKER_05: Because for a moment they don't have to be in control.
37:24
SPEAKER_05: And why do you think it's so intriguing for straight, non-kinky women to ride a man?
37:29
SPEAKER_05: Because for a moment, they get to control the whole fucking thing.
37:33
SPEAKER_05: Is that now a power exchange?
37:35
SPEAKER_05: Because you've got you've got to think power exchange doesn't necessarily just translate kinky.
37:40
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
37:40
SPEAKER_05: Power exchange can be any time one person has a little bit more control over the person that they're with.
37:46
SPEAKER_05: In vanilla.
37:47
SPEAKER_05: That's a power exchange.
37:48
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
37:48
SPEAKER_05: Even in vanilla.
37:49
SPEAKER_05: In vanilla, a blowjob could be a power exchange.
37:52
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
37:53
SPEAKER_05: Depending on how it's done from either person.
37:55
SPEAKER_05: 100% right.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: My thing is who in order for power to be exchanged, somebody had to have had the power in the first place.
38:05
SPEAKER_00: So who are you saying has the power in the first place?
38:08
SPEAKER_05: It depends on how you start.
38:11
SPEAKER_06: Personality types, physical strength.
38:13
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's it's it's it's objective to the individuals doing the act.
38:17
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, the relationship.
38:18
SPEAKER_05: A woman can have a lot of power if they are being fucked traditional missionary style.
38:26
SPEAKER_05: They can still have a lot of power.
38:27
SPEAKER_05: How many men how many women fuck back?
38:29
SPEAKER_05: So, how many women have you ever fucked where they've closed their legs on you intermittently just to fuck with you?
38:36
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
38:36
SPEAKER_05: That's a power exchange.
38:40
SPEAKER_05: They're stopping you from doing something.
38:44
SPEAKER_05: It's a fight.
38:44
SPEAKER_05: It's a yeah.
38:47
SPEAKER_05: How many times have you been fucked by a woman and you've laid on your back and let her ride you?
38:54
SPEAKER_05: That's a power exchange.
38:56
SPEAKER_05: You're letting her control.
38:58
SPEAKER_05: Power exchange is about control.
39:01
SPEAKER_05: Somebody is controlling something over somebody else, right?
39:04
SPEAKER_05: I mean, if we want to get bare bones into a power, what a power exchange is somebody has some kind of definitive control over somebody else in some aspect.
39:14
SPEAKER_05: Let's just bare bones it.
39:15
SPEAKER_05: Even if it's just little psychological stuff.
39:17
SPEAKER_05: Right.
39:18
SPEAKER_05: Think of control as anything.
39:19
SPEAKER_05: It can be control over anything.
39:21
SPEAKER_05: Or they just feel like they have a power.
39:23
SPEAKER_05: You're letting their power out.
39:25
SPEAKER_05: You are coming at it from a kink aspect where when we think of power exchange, we're thinking I'm not thinking about I'm not thinking about kink exchange, just trying to figure out who has the power in the first place.
39:36
SPEAKER_05: It depends on I mean, it just depends.
39:38
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
39:39
SPEAKER_05: Because, okay, so think of it this way: you're having sex with a woman and she's underneath you, and and you're literally fucking her.
39:46
SPEAKER_05: And women get it put into positions where we really have we're just laying that, we're getting fucked.
39:51
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
39:52
SPEAKER_05: Your legs are in the air.
39:53
SPEAKER_05: That's it.
39:54
SPEAKER_05: You're you're laying there, there's nowhere to go.
39:56
SPEAKER_05: You're literally just getting fucked.
39:58
SPEAKER_05: I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
39:59
SPEAKER_05: I'm just saying that's what's happening.
40:01
SPEAKER_05: How many times have you been in that situation and she moves a certain way, or she closes her legs, or she clinches, or she she pulls you out of her for no reason other than just to fuck with you.
40:14
SPEAKER_05: She's she's exchanging power with you.
40:17
SPEAKER_00: All the time.
40:18
SPEAKER_00: That's not true.
40:19
SPEAKER_00: Lots of the time.
40:20
SPEAKER_00: That's not true.
40:21
SPEAKER_05: She's exchanging power with you.
40:23
SPEAKER_05: Some of the time.
40:23
SPEAKER_05: And then like so you go from that position of times.
40:26
SPEAKER_05: So you go from that position of fucking where you're fucking her missionary style, her legs are in there, you're bracing her legs from the back of her knees.
40:33
SPEAKER_05: All of the things are good.
40:34
SPEAKER_05: And then out of nowhere, she push you up and you flip, and you're now on your back and she's riding you, and you're laying there.
40:43
SPEAKER_05: It could be a power exchange.
40:47
SPEAKER_05: Why are you laughing?
40:50
SPEAKER_00: But I get what you mean as a dominant person.
40:52
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I get that happens.
40:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
40:54
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
40:54
SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, that is really happening.
40:56
SPEAKER_00: That doesn't really happen.
40:57
SPEAKER_05: I am not going to talk whether you two do this or not.
41:01
SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying I get what you're saying.
41:03
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I'm just, yeah.
41:04
SPEAKER_00: My thing is who has the power by default, but yeah.
41:07
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
41:07
SPEAKER_05: It can be a form of power exchange.
41:09
SPEAKER_05: So when a woman bends a man over and starts fucking him in the ass, that is a power exchange.
41:17
SPEAKER_06: He can walk away any fucking time he wants, technically.
41:20
SPEAKER_06: He's choosing not to overpower her.
41:22
SPEAKER_06: It's a psychological.
41:27
SPEAKER_00: Well, we know it's all psychological.
41:28
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
41:29
SPEAKER_06: Plus, there's chloroform.
41:31
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so pegging is that's not especially legal, everybody.
41:35
SPEAKER_06: For anybody who wants to fuck around.
41:38
SPEAKER_00: We're not gonna talk about your weird stuff.
41:40
SPEAKER_00: What?
41:40
SPEAKER_00: My weird stuff?
41:41
SPEAKER_00: Your edge play.
41:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
41:43
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, we're never talking about that.
41:45
SPEAKER_06: That's the yeah, no.
41:46
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so bring it to bring it back around.
41:48
SPEAKER_00: So yes.
41:50
SPEAKER_00: Power exchange, cuck holding.
41:53
SPEAKER_00: Uh how do we even get onto that point?
41:55
SPEAKER_06: Are you gonna unsquirrel us?
41:56
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, or are we?
41:57
SPEAKER_06: We're gonna go back up through the stack.
41:58
SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, we gotta We're getting close to the end here again.
42:01
SPEAKER_06: Are we back up through the conversational stack?
42:03
SPEAKER_06: So we started with cuck holding, but we were gonna talk about bradding.
42:05
SPEAKER_06: That's not happening.
42:06
SPEAKER_06: No.
42:07
SPEAKER_06: And I'll have to wait for another one.
42:08
SPEAKER_00: No, that'll be the next one.
42:09
SPEAKER_00: No.
42:09
SPEAKER_00: This one was specifically about cuck holding.
42:11
SPEAKER_00: We started, yeah, we started with cuck holding.
42:13
SPEAKER_00: And cuck queening.
42:14
SPEAKER_00: Well, it's about the humiliation.
42:15
SPEAKER_00: We did the definition of pegging now, so you know the difference.
42:18
SPEAKER_05: By definition.
42:19
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
42:19
SPEAKER_05: I'm not saying it's a definition.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: If you're living, if you're listening to this podcast, that's your definition of pegging from now on.
42:28
SPEAKER_06: Write the book.
42:28
SPEAKER_00: For as long as you're listening to this podcast.
42:31
SPEAKER_00: It's my opinion, and that's what happens.
42:33
SPEAKER_06: We have a disclaimer for that.
42:34
SPEAKER_06: Keep drinking more wine.
42:36
SPEAKER_06: We we got there.
42:36
SPEAKER_06: Hold on, let me unsquirrel us.
42:38
SPEAKER_06: So we started with cook cucking, and we got into uh the humiliation, which got us into the micro penising, which got me into like the trans talk, thinking about like what is the definitions of of penises and how important is this to you?
42:52
SPEAKER_06: And then we started talking about what about strap-ons.
42:55
SPEAKER_06: That's how we started to get into the pegging because I said, Oh, pegging, and then Dame said, Ah, let me correct you about pegging.
43:02
SPEAKER_06: It was pegging only if it's female to male, and then we started talking about control dynamics.
43:06
SPEAKER_03: Pegging is a sexual practice in which a woman performs anal sex on a man by penetrating his anus with a strap-on dildo.
43:12
SPEAKER_06: Well, fuck me in the ass.
43:14
SPEAKER_06: There it is.
43:14
SPEAKER_06: Has to be that's the official that's the official definition of the.
43:21
SPEAKER_06: Oh, okay.
43:23
SPEAKER_06: From the internet.
43:25
SPEAKER_06: From the internet.
43:26
SPEAKER_06: We've gone to the internet.
43:27
SPEAKER_06: All right.
43:28
SPEAKER_06: Okay, so Healthline, Healthline.com.
43:31
SPEAKER_06: Okay, perfect.
43:31
SPEAKER_06: Healthline.
43:32
SPEAKER_06: Yep.
43:32
SPEAKER_05: Says the definition feature, uh, the defining feature of pegging is that there is a strap-on and anal sex, not the gender or assigned sex of the partners doing it.
43:42
SPEAKER_05: Perfect.
43:43
SPEAKER_05: There you go.
43:43
SPEAKER_00: Oh, specifically anal sex.
43:45
SPEAKER_05: So it's there's specific uh there's a there's a strap on and anal sex.
43:49
SPEAKER_05: That's how the that's how pegging is defined.
43:51
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
43:51
SPEAKER_05: So I stand correct.
43:52
SPEAKER_05: I'm kind of just figuring out the like intimate.
43:54
SPEAKER_05: No, no, you're still right.
43:55
SPEAKER_00: I still I still deem you as correct.
43:57
SPEAKER_05: I'm kind of going with the intimacy.
44:00
SPEAKER_05: Urban dictionary still still does it as a woman inserts a strap on dildo into the anus of a man.
44:05
SPEAKER_05: But health Urban Dictionary is often right.
44:07
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
44:08
SPEAKER_05: So that's Urban Dictionary.
44:10
SPEAKER_05: But Healthline is saying that it it's a strap on and an anus, regardless of the identification.
44:16
SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
44:17
SPEAKER_06: I can go with both.
44:18
SPEAKER_06: I I bet uh non-binar binary people, our NB friends, would probably go with the uh healthline definition.
44:24
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's it's much more inclusive.
44:26
SPEAKER_06: Um shit, I forgot what I was gonna say.
44:29
SPEAKER_00: Caqueening.
44:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:31
SPEAKER_06: Are we going back to that?
44:33
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
44:34
SPEAKER_06: We can s we can keep talking about it in the next one and then go to Bradding or not.
44:37
SPEAKER_06: We can wrap it up here and you can.
44:38
SPEAKER_00: No, we don't need to bring it to another episode.
44:40
SPEAKER_00: We just talk about Bradding.
44:43
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
44:44
SPEAKER_00: Um, so yeah.
44:46
SPEAKER_00: How do we wrap this up?
44:47
SPEAKER_00: Which kind of went down a little trail here.
44:50
SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, the podcast I listened to, she was she was cut queening, and I just got triggered because she was talking about it.
44:57
SPEAKER_05: So when you say she when you say she was cut queening, what was she doing?
44:59
SPEAKER_05: Okay, how did she how did she describe it?
45:02
SPEAKER_05: For somebody who didn't listen to the podcast.
45:04
SPEAKER_05: I did.
45:05
SPEAKER_06: You want me to describe it?
45:06
SPEAKER_06: I didn't what how did she describe it?
45:08
SPEAKER_06: I I actually really paid attention.
45:09
SPEAKER_06: I was in my car and I listened very like uh closely because I was triggered as fuck because that bothers me.
45:15
SPEAKER_06: So I really wanted to like understand where she came from.
45:17
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't 100% cut queening either, but go ahead.
45:19
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I I I don't know what the definition is, so I don't know if it was a hundred percent or not, but I'll just I'll default.
45:24
SPEAKER_06: Keep talking.
45:24
SPEAKER_06: Um so the lady was uh yeah, like Mo said, in an abusive relationship, got out, got together with her then boyfriend, who had a nice stable relationship.
45:37
SPEAKER_06: They went on a vacation and went to a strip club, and all of a sudden, she just got this idea that this beautiful woman was dancing, and she uh was attracted to this beautiful woman, and then she kind of discovered, Oh, I think I'm kind of bi.
45:55
SPEAKER_06: And then later she saw her husband enjoying another stripper, and all of a sudden also got triggered and said, I want to see him fuck somebody.
46:06
SPEAKER_06: In her brain, within one night, the the the binary switch just flipped from zero to one, and now all of a sudden she just wanted to see her then boyfriend fuck another girl.
46:17
SPEAKER_06: She wanted to watch it because she was so turned on on her own being bi.
46:21
SPEAKER_05: But see, that's what that would be the the distinct difference, is it turned her on.
46:26
SPEAKER_05: It did.
46:27
SPEAKER_05: Where with cuck holding, it's meant for humiliation.
46:29
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, this is the opposite.
46:30
SPEAKER_06: This is cuck queening, it turns her on.
46:32
SPEAKER_06: It turns her on.
46:33
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
46:33
SPEAKER_06: And that was something that I that's like the ultimate for me.
46:37
SPEAKER_06: I don't understand how that can turn you on.
46:39
SPEAKER_00: And also, so we gotta break down that definition because is it still cucking if you get turned on, right?
46:46
SPEAKER_00: By seeing the sex or turned on by being humiliated.
46:49
SPEAKER_06: And they were in the same room together.
46:50
SPEAKER_06: Like this was legit.
46:55
SPEAKER_00: Well, no, she didn't just watch either.
46:56
SPEAKER_00: She was like Oh, she was helping.
46:58
SPEAKER_00: She was playing with the girl, too.
46:59
SPEAKER_06: She uh did aftercare with the girl.
47:01
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, she played a little bit, so she was intimately involved.
47:04
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I don't know if that's considered cucking.
47:07
SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
47:07
SPEAKER_06: I'm I'm fascinated by that though.
47:09
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so they're just describing it as cut queening is just when a woman watches another her partner have sex with another person.
47:15
SPEAKER_05: But co cuck holding is technically when a man watches his partner have sex with another man, but we know the psychology behind it is actually deeper rooted in humiliation and degradation.
47:27
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
47:28
SPEAKER_05: Where the cut queening is is not rooted in that degradation.
47:33
SPEAKER_05: No, no, there is there, but it's not as deeply rooted.
47:37
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
47:37
SPEAKER_06: So like the the core belief of cuck holding.
47:40
SPEAKER_05: To be honest with you, what she's describing just sounds like an opening it sounds like swinging.
47:45
SPEAKER_06: Almost threesome, yeah, because she was like helping, she was like cleaning them all.
47:48
SPEAKER_05: It just sounds like cuddling with the girl, and I was like, really?
47:51
SPEAKER_05: It just means that you're open to your partner fucking somebody else.
47:54
SPEAKER_06: So they they they became friends with this the girl that they met, and they actually have like a you know friendship, so they kind of all know each other, and that's a little less scary.
48:01
SPEAKER_06: And I actually I I thought that sounds a little easier somehow to me, and I'm not sure.
48:07
SPEAKER_06: I'm not into humiliation, that's a hard limit for me.
48:09
SPEAKER_06: Absolutely not.
48:10
SPEAKER_06: Like, I already have enough problems.
48:11
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but if you're turned on by watching it, it's not humiliation.
48:14
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
48:14
SPEAKER_06: How is she turned on?
48:15
SPEAKER_06: That's more the idea of like that's just people's personality.
48:18
SPEAKER_05: Well, I mean, it could be it could be that she's turned on because she's getting to watch live porn with somebody that she actually likes to fuck.
48:27
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I'll watch that by looking down.
48:30
SPEAKER_00: She she was attracted to the girl, yeah.
48:32
SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
48:33
SPEAKER_05: No, I mean like that the guy's her partner.
48:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
48:36
SPEAKER_05: She likes to fuck him, she thinks he's hot.
48:38
SPEAKER_00: Oh, and she found the girl attractive too.
48:39
SPEAKER_05: How would she found the girl attractive?
48:42
SPEAKER_06: She likes to watch her partner fuck other girls because he's like this big dude and she just likes to watch his body move.
48:47
SPEAKER_05: And I was like, Well, well, that's a that's a that's a that's mine thing.
48:51
SPEAKER_05: Like, how I like have you ever gone to a club and watched your man go out on the dance floor and dance and see other girls try to hit on him?
48:59
SPEAKER_05: And you're like, that's my man.
49:00
SPEAKER_06: Okay, that's different a little bit.
49:01
SPEAKER_06: But if it was what I'm standing with them, I think I'd be pissed.
49:04
SPEAKER_05: Oh no, because you could see that doesn't piss me off.
49:08
SPEAKER_05: Like, I actually thoroughly enjoyed me, that might be the problem with the baby.
49:13
SPEAKER_05: If he didn't come home with you, but like if I'm out with with my guy and I see another woman flirt, uh-huh, I sit back and watch the fucking show.
49:21
SPEAKER_05: Why why is that okay though?
49:22
SPEAKER_05: Do you know he's coming home with me?
49:24
SPEAKER_05: Because I know he's coming home with me.
49:25
SPEAKER_05: I don't if he was and see, and the thing is is if he doesn't come home with me, then I never had him to begin with.
49:32
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
49:33
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna table that because that's that's gonna be after the podcast work there, because I need you to work on that.
49:39
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because if he's with me, I know he's with me.
49:42
SPEAKER_05: And if he goes with that, he was never with me to begin with.
49:45
SPEAKER_05: There you go.
49:46
SPEAKER_05: That's right.
49:46
SPEAKER_05: So I sit back and enjoy the show because I'm like, huh, this is gonna be entertaining.
49:50
SPEAKER_05: I wonder what's she gonna do?
49:52
SPEAKER_05: Because I already know what he's gonna do.
49:54
SPEAKER_05: I don't.
49:55
SPEAKER_05: No, you do, you don't believe it.
49:57
SPEAKER_00: Oh no, Dave, Dave.
49:59
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna have to take that to we're gonna wrap it.
50:04
SPEAKER_05: I'm not the type of person that would like walk up to the bar and stand between them or like makeup.
50:08
SPEAKER_05: Oh no, I wouldn't have to do it.
50:09
SPEAKER_05: I would I would eventually go back to the bar and and you know, hey, because I mean I want my drink, but I'm gonna say, fuck you, I guess I'm leaving by, get an Uber home.
50:19
SPEAKER_05: But like to me, if my man goes out on the dance floor and a woman dances up on him, I'm just like, oh, he's hot.
50:27
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, like that's my man right there.
50:29
SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
50:29
SPEAKER_05: No, I mean, like now, if they're inappropriate, okay, that's different.
50:33
SPEAKER_05: But I'm just gonna do it.
50:34
SPEAKER_00: What if he engages and starts dancing with her?
50:36
SPEAKER_05: Well, I mean, dancing necessarily isn't inappropriate.
50:40
SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, what do you consider inappropriate then?
50:43
SPEAKER_05: If he started kissing her on the dance floor, okay, started like touching her inappropriately on the dance floor, that's different.
50:51
SPEAKER_05: But just like walking home and never talking to you again.
50:53
SPEAKER_05: I'd be like, shh that's my man right there.
50:55
SPEAKER_00: Dancing is fine, but then kissing's too far.
50:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
50:58
SPEAKER_05: Kissing's intimate.
51:00
SPEAKER_05: Kissing's very intimate.
51:01
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
51:02
SPEAKER_00: I think dancing's intimate too.
51:03
SPEAKER_06: It's all intimate.
51:04
SPEAKER_06: The whole thing's intimate.
51:05
SPEAKER_06: People are usually just awkward.
51:07
SPEAKER_06: Life is intimate.
51:07
SPEAKER_06: I need more wine.
51:08
SPEAKER_06: Life is intimate.
51:09
SPEAKER_06: On that note, let's wrap it up because I think we have something to talk about.
51:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we gotta take this to the real world because guess what?
51:17
SPEAKER_00: That's gonna be a long, long discussion.
51:20
SPEAKER_06: Is it or is it a short discussion?
51:21
SPEAKER_06: We've been working on that for a few years now.
51:23
SPEAKER_00: This has been another episode of I like how you are taking my host duties.
51:28
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
51:28
SPEAKER_00: Whatever.
51:29
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so cuck holding is just watching, not humiliation part of it.
51:32
SPEAKER_05: Not necessarily true.
51:34
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
51:34
SPEAKER_00: So cucking.
51:36
SPEAKER_00: Apparently, cucking is just watching.
51:38
SPEAKER_05: Cuck holding is just watching.
51:40
SPEAKER_05: Is watching your part what a man watching his partner have sex with another man.
51:44
SPEAKER_00: And then cuck queening.
51:45
SPEAKER_00: We'll just say cuck queen.
51:47
SPEAKER_05: Cucking is basically watching your partner have sex with somebody else.
51:50
SPEAKER_05: Someone else.
51:50
unknown: Yeah.
51:51
SPEAKER_05: That's that's it.
51:52
SPEAKER_05: We can just keep it superficial.
51:54
SPEAKER_05: What is voyeur?
51:54
SPEAKER_05: Oh my god.
51:55
SPEAKER_05: No, no, we're gonna voyeurism something totally different.
51:57
SPEAKER_05: Nope.
51:58
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
51:58
SPEAKER_00: Well, this has been another episode of campy kinky campfire.
52:04
SPEAKER_00: Around the fire, campy.
52:06
SPEAKER_00: Around the campy, kinky, can't you?
52:08
SPEAKER_00: I just can't.
52:09
SPEAKER_00: I'm a Mo the Plummer.
52:12
SPEAKER_00: Oh my well, you just change it all up now.
52:14
SPEAKER_00: So to my left now, if you want to jump in.
52:16
SPEAKER_00: This is a to my left we have and to my right we have Dame.
52:22
SPEAKER_05: Yes, we have Dame.
52:23
SPEAKER_05: Bye.
52:24
SPEAKER_05: Hello, bye.