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Playboy · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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  Speaker 1: Hey, tolerators, listens to all the men I've tolerated before
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  Speaker 1: with Nandley Katona, your weekly look at everyday misogyny. Today,
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  Speaker 1: we are welcoming back Channa's to the show. You will remember, hey,
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  Speaker 1: You will remember Shadas from our episode on the Dallas
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  Speaker 1: Cowboy Cheerleaders. We will be continuing this theme of wait
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  Speaker 1: are women being treated well and paid fairly to be
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  Speaker 1: under this much male gaze theme by discussing Playboy spoiler alert,
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  Speaker 1: They're not. And as per usual, no, Shaudaz, what made
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  Speaker 1: you do such a deep dive on Playboy?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I am interested in anything that's cult coded, cult
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  Speaker 2: like coded, anything that has anything that's not the norm
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  Speaker 2: of the way that people live, anything kind of seedy too.
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  Speaker 2: Is those things really really interest me? And Playboy is
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  Speaker 2: all of that and then some and more so. My
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  Speaker 2: peak interest in Playboy probably would have well probably would
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  Speaker 2: have started when I was little and just seeing the
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  Speaker 2: Playboy magazines and seeing like sneaking a Playboy magazine though
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  Speaker 2: although my mom didn't have Playboy, you know, she was
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  Speaker 2: the single mom growing up. But when I did see them,
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  Speaker 2: rarely somewhere at a family member's house or at a
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  Speaker 2: friend's house or something. I definitely like would sneak peek
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  Speaker 2: inside and like the women all looked so to me,
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  Speaker 2: so beautiful, and you'd always hear growing up, Oh, I
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  Speaker 2: read Playboy for the articles like wink no drink wink. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but they although they did have great articles and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of famous people and famous writers would write for
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  Speaker 2: a Playboy.
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  Speaker 1: I was cursory looking at Playboy covers and being like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I would read a majority of these articles, like yeah,
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  Speaker 1: James Baldwin I think was someone that would that has
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  Speaker 1: written for Playboy. So yes, it's But then I think
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  Speaker 1: in the early two thousands with The Girls next Door,
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  Speaker 1: I used to watch that and then have been reintroduced
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  Speaker 1: to it since it's on I don't know where else's streams,
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  Speaker 1: but it streams on Amazon Prime, and it's like it's
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  Speaker 1: like my like, like what's the word comfort show, It's
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  Speaker 1: like my cover which it twisted comfort showed a little
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  Speaker 1: bit twisted.
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  Speaker 2: But I love the show and I love uh. I
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  Speaker 2: just think it's so it's kind of soothing, like all
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  Speaker 2: those early two thousand imagery, and it's very like tongue
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  Speaker 2: in cheek, it's very cute. It's actually a very cute show,
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  Speaker 2: but there is obviously darkness underneath that as well.
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  Speaker 1: So you know I grew up well, I guess I
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  Speaker 1: was like a teen, but I was in that era
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  Speaker 1: of like middle school teendom into high school where like
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  Speaker 1: every girl had foil Playboy Bunny logos on every notebook
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  Speaker 1: and every folder. Yes, and if we were going to
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  Speaker 1: the tanning bed, which I was not because I have
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  Speaker 1: olive skin, I didn't need to brag. Uh, you could
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  Speaker 1: put the Playboy Bunny sticker on your ass and be
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  Speaker 1: branded by Hugh himself in.
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  Speaker 2: Your remember that. I remember all the merch in the
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  Speaker 2: the shirts and everything Playboy.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And Holly Madison said something on the documentary I
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  Speaker 1: watched today, which was The Playboy Murders, about how Playboy
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  Speaker 1: was kind of the first time where sexuality and women's
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  Speaker 1: nudity was just mainstreamed and accepted as okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I see that, which should be so empowering. But at
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  Speaker 1: the center of all of it is this really old, decrepit,
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  Speaker 1: egotistical man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Through the eyes, yes, it's okay for women who
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  Speaker 2: look a certain way and let's face it, act a
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  Speaker 2: certain way, all through the lens of this one man,
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  Speaker 2: Hugh Hefner, and I mean and everyone else under him
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  Speaker 2: in the company and everything like that. Then yes, nudity
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  Speaker 2: is okay and beautiful and all of these things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so it's so weird because to me, like
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  Speaker 1: a twenty something Hugh Hefner hasting and cutting up a
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  Speaker 1: magazine with like bought pictures of Marilyn Monroe and and like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, selling a door by door, it sounds
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  Speaker 1: so lame. It sounds like we would be making fun
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  Speaker 1: of him on TikTok. But the amount of respect that
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  Speaker 1: Hugh Hefner garnered from other men and then in extension,
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  Speaker 1: women who wanted to be respected by ben right.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, he started the company I mean blossoms from
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  Speaker 2: a woman who didn't want her photo out into the public.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he built this on literally the back of
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  Speaker 2: a woman.
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  Speaker 1: A woman who had a woman who had already been
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  Speaker 1: objectified to the point where it was killing her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and what else did she have sacred? I mean her,
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  Speaker 2: I mean her naked body exposed like that to two
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  Speaker 2: millions and still to this day. And also, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even brete this down. But also, don't forget
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  Speaker 2: he's buried next to her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, because he's a creep.
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  Speaker 2: He bought the crypts next next to her, like right
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  Speaker 2: next to her where she's buried in Holly, I forget
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  Speaker 2: the name of Hollywood. I forget the name of the cemetery.
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  Speaker 1: But no, it's dark, it's we how we were talking
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  Speaker 1: about Love is Blind and Glamorous Trash book Club and
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  Speaker 1: or was it when was I? I feel like I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about this all the time where it's like this
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  Speaker 1: guy is literally a nicely disguised in cell and we've
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  Speaker 1: all just given him a platform, but he is just
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  Speaker 1: like a creep who wants to be buried on top
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  Speaker 1: of Marilyn Monroe.
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  Speaker 2: Like that's weird, Yes, that's very weird. Like you have children,
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  Speaker 2: you have four children, you have ex wives, you have
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  Speaker 2: but a woman he didn't even know.
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  Speaker 1: No, he got to call one time on the phone
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  Speaker 1: to be like, I've bought your photos and I'm doing
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  Speaker 1: this with them, and because she didn't think it would
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  Speaker 1: go anywhere, she's like, I don't even care anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Oh really I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like, I don't care. That's at least Holly
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  Speaker 1: Madison telling have story of it that she was just like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care whatever, but yeah, it is. It is
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  Speaker 1: hard to believe. And then by the time I was
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  Speaker 1: in college, I was watching Girls next Door every day
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  Speaker 1: because e was my favorite channel. It was like the
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  Speaker 1: one good channel we had on our campus. And I
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  Speaker 1: do I love Holly.
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  Speaker 2: Who is your favorite? Who is your favorite? Girls?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's Bridget.
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  Speaker 2: It's like Sex and the City, like who's your who
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  Speaker 2: are you? Or you a carrier or you? So you
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  Speaker 2: are a Bridget.
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm a Holly because Holly is so type
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  Speaker 1: a and the like rainleader of it all. But I
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  Speaker 1: think I love how adorable bridge it is and how
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  Speaker 1: she's kind of the fun one.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, who is your favorite at the time? And who's
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  Speaker 2: your favorite now?
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  Speaker 1: I think Bridget was always my favorite, although I will
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  Speaker 1: say that as an insecure woman in my youth because
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  Speaker 1: I never felt like I got to be the leader
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  Speaker 1: of the pack at all. I would always like gravitate,
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  Speaker 1: gravitate to whoever was the leader of said group. So
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  Speaker 1: it probably was Holly, It probably was Ginger Spice. It
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  Speaker 1: probably was like you were you were always competing to
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  Speaker 1: be the one that was on top.
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  Speaker 2: H Yeah, Yeah, my favorite was always Holly's and it's
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  Speaker 2: still Holly. I just thought she had this kind of
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  Speaker 2: awkward sense of humor that I just found hilarious, And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: she's still my favorite. I love Bridget, though, I do
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  Speaker 2: love Bridget Kendra.
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  Speaker 1: She's rough.
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  Speaker 2: It was rough at the time, but not as much
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  Speaker 2: as the rewatch. The rewatch is very rough, the kind
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  Speaker 2: of and she's annoying. She's annoying, but I don't follow
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  Speaker 2: her for that because she was I mean, she wasn't
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  Speaker 2: that much younger than them, Let's be real. She was,
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  Speaker 2: but but they were all They were all young and
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  Speaker 2: just came from different backgrounds and it was a different time.
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  Speaker 2: She does a lot of cultural appropriation, which is very cringey,
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  Speaker 2: very gross, very cringey. But you know, she's changed hopefully
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  Speaker 2: since then. She was always my least favorite, to be honest.
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  Speaker 1: I know, and I will say that in present day
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  Speaker 1: Holly is still a pretty good contender to be everyone's favorite,
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  Speaker 1: because I think after Hugh's death, she is doing a
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  Speaker 1: lot of hustle work to give people the truth. Like
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  Speaker 1: this Playboy murders documentary I thought was going to be
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  Speaker 1: really sick. It's so good it's on MATS. I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was going to be really stupid, but like Holly,
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  Speaker 1: because she knew these women personally, is humanizing even when
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  Speaker 1: they're the murderer. She's like, you know it. It was
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  Speaker 1: just probably hard for her because you're used to being
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  Speaker 1: an object of someone's affection and then that was what
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  Speaker 1: you built a career on and then you age out
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  Speaker 1: of that. Like the way that Holly has crafted this
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  Speaker 1: series with hair and is like making sure that people
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  Speaker 1: are understanding why playboy leads to this and how ye
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  Speaker 1: playboy makes choices that makes women unsafe and objects of
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  Speaker 1: obsession and violence and things like that. Have you read
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  Speaker 1: her book too, No, I've only listened to Chelsea's episode on.
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  Speaker 2: Her Book's really good. I highly recommend it. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's really good and I'm not surprised from your like
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  Speaker 2: your description, like, I'm not surprised that she's going that
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  Speaker 2: route with with the show as well. I listened to
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  Speaker 2: her do you listen to you don't listen to their podcast?
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  Speaker 2: You know? The podcast is really good too. It's deep dives,
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  Speaker 2: you know, And I like that She's Yeah, she's kind
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  Speaker 2: of kind of reflecting a lot, and I think she's
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  Speaker 2: doing that through sounds as if she's doing that through
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  Speaker 2: the show, although I haven't seen it yet, but it
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  Speaker 2: sounds really interesting well.
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  Speaker 1: And I think also like for someone who was half's
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  Speaker 1: number one girlfriend so late into his life, she does
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  Speaker 1: still carry this like matriarchal grace to where she's like,
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  Speaker 1: I care about the women. I always wanted to care
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  Speaker 1: about the women. And I think in the stimpets that
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  Speaker 1: Chelsea went over in her book, you can tell that
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  Speaker 1: she's like, you know, I wanted the women to care
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  Speaker 1: about me too. And when I was a playboy on
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  Speaker 1: my way to becoming a bunny, on my way to
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  Speaker 1: becoming a girlfriend, it was the Hateful Seven or whatever
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  Speaker 1: she calls them, and they were always Muan girls, the
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  Speaker 1: moon girls, and they were always just in competition with
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  Speaker 1: one another and just like drawing short sticks on who
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  Speaker 1: had to cuddle shit you that, and like they were
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  Speaker 1: over it, and she wanted to bring like sub nobility
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  Speaker 1: and grace back to that role.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think she kind of even passed the book.
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  Speaker 2: She kind of reflects back and was like, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: hated these mean girls, but really at the root of
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  Speaker 2: that was tap like pulling the strings and making them
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  Speaker 2: hate each other and like putting all these jealousies towards
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  Speaker 2: each other and like playing these games and like crying
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  Speaker 2: and like doing all these like manipulation and manipulative games
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  Speaker 2: to the girls to the point where they, Yeah, they
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  Speaker 2: did hate each other because of it.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's a crime that Hugh's ego got to make
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  Speaker 1: as much money as it did. Yeah, and who knows
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  Speaker 1: where it ended up after he died. And I hope
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  Speaker 1: to his kids in Crystal.
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  Speaker 2: I perhaps so too. Yeah, Crystal is another role kind
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  Speaker 2: of odd duck.
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  Speaker 1: I think she's kind of like a dark hole, like
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  Speaker 1: out of Yeah, and I.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of love her, But at the same time, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a little suspicious of her as well. She's kind of
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  Speaker 2: like this what do they call it? An enigma reped
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  Speaker 2: in a riddle, reped in a like I'm not quite
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  Speaker 2: sure what her deal is. Ultimately, I think, hey, good,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm all for any woman that
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  Speaker 2: wants to get their bag and you know, right until
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  Speaker 2: that man is in the grave, Like whatever you gotta do, girl,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's I support. I support women.
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  Speaker 1: I sport women, and Nicole Smith died.
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  Speaker 2: However, I think I'm not sure exactly what her role
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  Speaker 2: is now with Playboy and that whole like with the
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  Speaker 2: organization of it. And because she does I believe, I
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  Speaker 2: could be wrong, but I read her book as well,
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  Speaker 2: but and I believe that says in the book. I
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  Speaker 2: believe she is the one that has like the scrap
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: books and things because he had a lot, like I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, I could be wrong, by I believe it
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  Speaker 2: was like hundreds, if not thousand, scrap books something crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm out and there's a lot of nudes in there,
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  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of like and not like nudes
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  Speaker 2: like oh, from and I don't know, it could be
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  Speaker 2: nudes from the photographers as well, but I believe a
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  Speaker 2: lot of candid dudes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of we're just having fun in a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of obscures and I think a lot of and
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  Speaker 2: I could possibly be a lot of nudes that were
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  Speaker 2: not like consented, And she has all of that, and
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of as a woman, I think, to have
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  Speaker 2: all that and just kind of block it away. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think that's right. I don't know. I think either
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  Speaker 2: you need you need to have someone go through that
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: stuff because some of that could be archives. Some of
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  Speaker 2: it I don't know what you could do with it,
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  Speaker 2: museum pieces, whatever you wanted to do. But some of
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  Speaker 2: that should be either destroyed or should be given back
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  Speaker 2: to the people or something. I don't know. It needs
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  Speaker 2: to be gone through. It needs to be.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that is an icky thing to be just
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  Speaker 1: like inherited. Yes, like what what a dark thing to
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  Speaker 1: just have in your house or like in your possession. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: your rights and then not know what to do with it, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: or know what, know what you're doing to it? And
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think it's a little controversial what how
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  Speaker 2: she's handling some of the items, but other than that,
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  Speaker 2: I don't And I don't know. I'm sure she was
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  Speaker 2: she was inherent, you know. I'm sure she has some money,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of money, I hope, so I hope so too.
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  Speaker 2: And I hope, I hope a lot went to these
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  Speaker 2: kids as well. But I know the mansion it was sold,
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  Speaker 2: which is interesting because I don't know. I'm kind of
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  Speaker 2: conflicted because, like I said, like Playboy apart from like
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  Speaker 2: you Happener, which is hard to like, you know, separate
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  Speaker 2: the art from the artist. But it's like, could they
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  Speaker 2: have turned the mansion into like a museum, a Playboy
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  Speaker 2: museum or something like that, like or I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: There is so much like entertainment history within Playboy, but
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  Speaker 1: also there's like a lot of sordid things. Because the
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  Speaker 1: thing about Playboy that I think Holly and probably other
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  Speaker 1: women who are out of that lifestyle grapple with is yes,
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  Speaker 1: I was paid sometimes to be the object of men's affection,
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  Speaker 1: but that meant that my job was for men to
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  Speaker 1: treat me like it was very very possible for them
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  Speaker 1: to be able to date me or in some ways
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  Speaker 1: own me and my body. And Hugh did act with
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  Speaker 1: those girlfriends, we learned from Holly's book, like he owned them,
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  Speaker 1: like there were curfews, there were there weren't paychecks, there
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  Speaker 1: were allowances like things like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a conflict with any woman that
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  Speaker 2: would be in a situation like that, because there are perks,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like any woman, well aside from let's just
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  Speaker 2: take it, like aside from being a girlfriend. There are
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  Speaker 2: women that love Playboy and wanted to be and like
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  Speaker 2: fought to be in Playboy, and you know, there are
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  Speaker 2: a lot of opportunities after that. Or some woman just
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  Speaker 2: wanted to be in the magazine just to like I'm
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: going to show my grandchildren one day, like look at
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  Speaker 2: your grandma is a hot MoMA or whatever you know,
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  Speaker 2: like and then and then there are yeah, like the
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  Speaker 2: girlfriends who wanted to be there to get something out
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  Speaker 2: of it, even even if you were there because yeah,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I love I love you guph or whatever. Like let's
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  Speaker 2: just say like, oh, they loved it for his personality
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  Speaker 2: or it wasn't pless, but say they were there for that.
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  Speaker 2: You still were there for some sort of so you
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  Speaker 2: had some sort of agenda, you had some sort of
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  Speaker 2: goal in mind, what to you had an expectation, I
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  Speaker 2: would say.
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  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, And I think that's that's always the kicker
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  Speaker 1: with jobs like this and like acting jobs in general,
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  Speaker 1: modeling all of it, where it's like, my success isn't
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  Speaker 1: always in my own hands and then what is offered
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  Speaker 1: to me and what is denied me? And this is
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  Speaker 1: I mean any woman person of color in this country,
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  Speaker 1: queer person like very often do we get to be
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  Speaker 1: the people who shape our own destinies. There's always some
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  Speaker 1: old white man with an ego problem behind the scenes
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  Speaker 1: being like not her but not not the mouth the one,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, I can't fault any woman who went into Playboy,
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  Speaker 1: did a shoot, became a centerfold, gotta cover, became Playmate
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  Speaker 1: of the Year or whatever, and then when I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a girlfriend for the free rent and food, yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, yeah I get that. Now, let me ask you,
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  Speaker 2: because they seem to have a different answer, but do
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  Speaker 2: you think being a girlfriend is sex work? You know?
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  Speaker 1: Do we classify the nude photo shoot? Says sex work?
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  Speaker 1: And to me it is all sex work because of
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  Speaker 1: the intent behind it. But then that falls in line
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  Speaker 1: with like the Demi Moore doing sex work, Dolly Parton
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  Speaker 1: doing sex work because they're on covers, so it's hard
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  Speaker 1: and I get why people wouldn't want to drop the line.
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  Speaker 1: And I think because so often they were in positions
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  Speaker 1: where they had to simulate sex with him or sex
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  Speaker 1: with one another for his gaze. Yes, yeah, that's how
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  Speaker 1: you'd qualify that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. How do they get.
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  Speaker 1: Away with not qualifying it as that?
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I think because they say it's not It wasn't that
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: they were there and they were a girlfriend, so which
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: I agree with. I mean, I think I think if
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: you your definition, if you were the one doing the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: work and you or whatever, the work, you were there,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: you were whatever, And you say no, I didn't feel
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: it was that. Then I think that's the answer. Then
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: I guess that's the answer. But but yeah, there's a great,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: definitely a great. It's a very great.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Are going back to the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders thing where
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: it's like the pay also didn't justify the work. It's
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: not like you'd get called into that bedroom for poor
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: no Wednesday and you have to you know, do things
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: to huge Hugh Hefner. Never Huge Jack Wait a minute,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I would, but never now that he'd never asked me
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: to do that. But you have to do things to
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Hugh Hefner while he's watching porn or whatever. It's not
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: like he slipped you an extra fifty's. It almost feels
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: like being a girlfriend is the elite status. But it's
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: not actually the success point you think it is, because
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: it's the women in the grotto and in the casinos
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and in the at the parties who are getting tipped
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: and they have financial independence, which is women's power in
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: this world.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's funny how he created a status symbol
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: under the guise of giving them more power and in actuality.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: What he did was put them in servitude is the
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: word I used today.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. And it's so wild that he built
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: this whole world, this very insular world, to just fulfill
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: his own need. I mean, I guess I don't know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure there are many hues like people out there.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know who else is doing what other billionaires
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: or multimillionaires are doing this now, I'm sure a lot.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: He was an aries too. Aries, man, what do you think?
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Just looking at I notice.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: He's a determined even well yeah, I mean billionaires by
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: entire islands to do things or other billionaires that were
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: never supposed to know about until one of them gets
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: arrested and then there supposedly tapes some paperwork and he
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: never got right.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: He died right, let's see, in twenty seventeen, So he
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: died right as or before me to kind of movement
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: was setting off. And plus he was really he's ninety one,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I believe when he died, So he's really old at
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: that point. I don't know, we're not really checking too
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: many like ninety year olds.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: And I think it's like, and this is going to
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: be a gross thing to say, but I think the
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: like girlfriend deviliniation. Part of it also gives him like
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the cover of mutual consent. So it's like women probably
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: were sexually assaulted in a large number in that fucking
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: grotto and in parties and all of it, but the
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: girlfriends were consenting. And if a girlfriend said I'm not
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: feeling it tonight, he'd pushed, but he didn't push hard.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: And like, you were allowed to leave the room. You
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: weren't like shackled to anything or under but you were
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: kicked out, but you were you were fired out.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: So it's like if you're not here to fuck, let's
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: just you know, yeah then by but yeah, so it's
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: that you or you were scared that you were going
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: to get kicked out.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it is still like he manipulated away, and
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: this is how patriarchy and misogyny work. He manipulated it
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: in a way to where he was getting everything that
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: he wanted and no one could call it illegal because
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: he's like, uh, they were my girlfriends. Of course me
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: getting to touch them whenever I want is fine, and
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: of course they probably don't have grounds to sue me
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: or whatever. I mean, one of them did in this
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: murder documentary, one of them did try to sue him.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: It was a centerfold and her husband was shot by
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: a fan. Oh my god, a fan. So I don't
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: know if they still do this, but you used to
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: be able. When playmates wanted to be Playmate of the Year,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: they would give you a one nine hundred number and
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: you could talk to the fans and you would make
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty dollars for every three hours that
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: you were on the hotline. And then it's another one
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: of those things where Holly is like mush access. Yeah,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: why would you ever do that? That's not safe. This
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: is how obsessions start. And some guy got obsessed with
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: this woman and went to the tanning salon that her
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: husband owned, assuming she would be there, ran into him.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: He said, hey, buddy, it's time to get lost, Like
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: what's going on? And he shot him and then shot himself. Yeah, so,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: like there there are reasons why tragedies follow Playboy brand.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: He put a lot of women in danger.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I know, there were a lot of women that were murdered,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: like Dorothy Stratton was murdered, a lot of you know,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of women lost jobs because they did Playboy too,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: you know, or were ostracized for doing Playboy, just you know,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: because they families or whatever.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Holly also takes it to the point where she's like, hey,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: if Playboy has a tragedy, it's not that Hugh cuts
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: you a check to make sure that you're good for
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: the next six months. He buries you, he erases you
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: from the brand, he doesn't want to talk to you
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: about it. There are no safety holds in place for
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: women who are just chucked out of the mansion and
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: are now considered unemployable.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: And I think they do that to this day because
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: you don't see anything about like Girls next Door on
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: like Playboy's Instagram now nothing, And you'd think this they
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: would be like promfiting off of that because that was
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: such a huge thing back then and now that's kind
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: of like whatever's nostalgia comes back and is seeing a
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: huge deal now with like Paris and Nicole or like whatever.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: So you think they would try to profit off of that.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I am so surprised that it's so easily accessible on
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Prime even that they haven't even buried it on a
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: freebie or a two B or something. Well maybe because
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: it was on e oh maybe yeah, yeah, so it
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: wasn't like it was like Playboy after Dark or something. Yeah,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: because they do have like Playboy TV and Playboy Radio.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, they and they, and they had their hands in
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of Playboy clubs, like Playboy merch Playboy Store,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Playboy everything. They had Playboy like slot machines, they had
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: so everything Playboy and so many like Playboy collabs even like.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: And that might be what leaves the worst taste in
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: my mouth is when I'm quote unquote because it does
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: feel like capitalism, and it does feel like COVID layoffs
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: where I've just been left off in the cold and
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: no one's checking on me.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, And that's the thing with Playboy, Like they didn't
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: pay the women very well.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: No, and it's not like they got any like.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: And even for like pay Playmate of the Month, Playmate
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: of the Year that they used to get I'm not
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure the amount. I think play may of
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: the Year go fairly good amount. I think like one
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars or something like that, but I think
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: for Playmate of the mom they were only paid ten
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: thousand total and only in installments. I believe his how
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: it worked, and it's not like if you had the
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: most popular cover. You were paid and like you were
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: given a bonus or anything like that, I don't think.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: And they owned the rights to those photos. So once
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: you and once like once you took a picture with Clayboy,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: they owned that photo, even if it was just like
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: a test photo or you were just like a girl.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I think they had like like Cybergirl was kind of
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: like not in the magazine, but it was on like
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: the online. They own all those photos and they still do.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: And I know that Playboy still exists day, but I
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: wonder if he was twenty years younger and he was
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: like still alive having to run this business. I wonder
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: how it does compete to now this new age of
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: sex work in pornography, where women and performers are taking
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: ownership of their own brands through things like only fans
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: and you porn and people and like more amateur stuff
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: is coming into the forefront thanks to the pandemic and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: things like that. Like how does Playboy like there's always
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: gonna be like some seventy year old white guy who's
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: like I remember the golden age of porn when they
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: when they all dress like bunnies.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but well, just the brand Playboy. Now
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: they're all faltering. I mean they're not They're not doing well.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I don't believe I see more kids rewatching days than
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I do the Girl's next Door, right.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that is a fall of Playboy. I mean,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I think if Playboy got more involved, they probably would
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: be making a lot more money. I think, especially with
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the Girl's next Door, because that that boosted the brand then,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: because they weren't doing well then either. But but just
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: to just to make a point, Hugh Hefner wasn't running Playboy.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: His daughter, Christy was running Playboy. Christy took over Playboy.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Let's see, I looked at this is I got this
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: from Wikipedia. I don't know the exact dates are correct,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: but she took off. She took over Playboy in I
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: believe nineteen eighty after Hugh after he had a stroke
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: and he stepped down. So Christy Haffner actually was running Playboy.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: But he was still approving like they May of the Month,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I believe in play May of the Year and stuff
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: like that. Like he was still approving all these things.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: He was still a multi millionaire. He still had the mansion,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: which was a huge part of that brand. But he
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: didn't own the Playboy mansion either. The company owned the
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: mansion and he paid rent, I think, which so I'm
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: not sure exactly like if he was given like a
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: studle like, I don't know how that exactly worked. I
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: wish I did know, though, And I don't know if
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone knows exactly how that whole thing,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: like how he was getting his money or what.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Do we know anything about Christy? Is she like the
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: NEPO baby with the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders, who's like, who
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: cares if the cheerleaders can't eat?
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I think she's very private, harry like buttoned up from
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: the pictures I've seen of her, very like average white
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: lady looking businesswoman looking.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: If AI created business lady, it's crazy, Yeah.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: It's her. She seems very like serious, like about her
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: business kind of thing. I don't know her personality. I
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: don't don't I'm not sure. I'm not sure exactly she's
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: kind of she's private, I believe, I don't. She's not
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: come out with a book or anything like that. I
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: would buy it though, if she ever Yeah, Christie, right.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: That Christie, come on, because she probably grew up in
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: the mansion.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, could wait, he had a mansion. No, maybe not
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: this mansion, uh me pop perhaps, but he had a
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: mansion in Chicago that was the first mansion. And then
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I think sold that or it was just or it
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: was just offices or something. I'm not sure, and then
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: moved to the LA I will say that, like.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: For Playboy, I understand why there's a lot of pride
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: when you do do it like. But I will say
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: that it is a completely different risk for Dolly Parton
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: to be on the cover of Playboy than it is
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: for Susie Nichols from Shobogan, Ohio to be on show. No,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: she was in she was just in the Bunny, the
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: classic black Bunny, uh Corsa with the wouldrant it would
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: so quick, Dolly, you have the show, Dolly, you paid
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: so much for them, you gotta show up. But you
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, it is a different level of.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: It's so different.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say Brooke Shields because her mother
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: abused her to the end and back, and Brook Shields
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: was new in front of us way too often without
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: her own consent, but.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Was nude in Playboy too as a child. Right, I
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: believe that came out in her book.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she. I think it was like that
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: pose that you'll do where you're covering up your own
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: boobs and you're looking over your shoulder. So I think
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: she was at least topless, and she was probably in
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Levi jeans. Wasn't Levi jeans the or Jordaic jeans. She
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: had a genius something nothing between me and Mike Calvin's.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so poor Brookshields. But I will say that,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: like when you're Demymore and you do Playboy, you're probably
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: gonna still get work. But if you're Susie from Ohio
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and you do Playboy because you need to pay off
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: your student debt for your teaching career, it's going to
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: be a little bit harder to get a teaching child.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: And you can't say no as Susie as to me.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: You can say, I'm coming in, I'm doing this pose here,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: or I'm wearing this thing m h and this is
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: covering that and this, and that's the end of it.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: You take it or leave it. But if you're Susie,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: they're gonna say open your legs, open your you know,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: let's not that they were really out open your legs.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Type of magazine. But but you know what I mean,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: they're they're saying, no, you need to show them things
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: and this and your ship, everything is going to be
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: shown and this is how we're posing you, and this
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: is what you're wearing, and or you know, hit the road.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Do you find the Playboy photo shoots and photo concepts
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: very I feel like Playboy also had the reputation of
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: being like artistic unity and I'm like, is that what
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: we're going with, Like it's real creative what we're doing here. Yeah.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I think they had the reputation of being like more artistic,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: more classy. This is classier. This is what is artistic
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: and classy. And the women are the beautiful women, but
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: they're also the women that are approachable or girls. Next
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: story is you know, like to say, do I find
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: that beautiful? I mean, to be honest, yes I do.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what I mean.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Do I find it artistic?
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's artistic. I don't find it necessarily
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: like creative, although I do find that the aesthetic that
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: the girls not to bring up the girls in the
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: store again, but let's bring them up again. They had
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: this aesthetic that was very femy very like boopy do
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: kind of if you know what I mean.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: No, you could like women could be friends with them,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: men could date them, like yeah, fun fun, let's.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Put it that way. It was very fun. The aesthetic
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: was fun. They had like Halloween theme photos, shoots, they
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: had like I remember Kendra did like a Christina Aguilar.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: They had like pop culture referenced shoots. I think Holly
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: did like a Western theme, so you know what I mean.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Like it was very fun and I thought that was
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: so cool. They were always in of alert track suit
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: just like me. Yeah, me and Holly and are powder
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: blue of alert trecks suit.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: With juicy on the ass.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the look.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, they were very millennial. I think that's why we
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: love them because I'm like, they are a time stamp
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: on the Honestly, the shoots.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: That they did though, were very timeless. Yeah, well you'd
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: have yeah, because those were different references or different themes
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: that were totally timeless. So I just I find that really,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I just find that really cool. But
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: they had to kind of I mean again, that was
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think that was humane idea And you would
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: have just had them like in you know, a silk
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: teddy on a rock, yeah, and soft lighting and you know,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it would have looked nice, beautiful, flowy, whatever,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: but not I think they really And again I think
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: because women were involved and more involved in more taking
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: like taking the reins on their image is why the
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: the image was more attractive like to me.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Well, and I was shocked as I was watching documentaries
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: and looking stuff online or whatever that I was like,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you know, these women aren't knocked out fly me to
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Milan gorgeous women. These women are hot girls at the
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: bar that I'm also intimidated by. So the approachable was
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: the appropriate word to use.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, they are very yes, relatable approachable. However, like, don't
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: get it twisted. These girls knew how to pose and
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: like knew how to like make themselves look look knockout,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But were they Cidey Crawford,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Linda Evangelisa and Niama Campbell know they weren't, you know,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: at the same time, but you know what, And I
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: was just thinking, like their aesthetic was and it was
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: so popular then also because like I like, I was
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: just saying it was attractive to women and that wasn't
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: what Hugh Hefner was going for he was attracting men.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, It's like how my whole theory is that men
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: truly only love men, and therefore like we just kind
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: of get left to our own devices because no one's
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: actually paying that close up attention to us. It's like,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: have you seen White Lotus?
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, only wanted to, though I haven't seen this new
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: one yet.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: So my sister just finished up season two yesterday when
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I was working from her house, and she told me,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: She's like, what is up with Aubrey Plaza's husband. He's
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: making her miserable and I want him to be the
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: dead body in the ocean by the end of all
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: of them. And I laughed and I was like, his
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: whole thing is he wants to fuck theo James. I go,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: they want to fuck one another? And she goes, no,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: that jets. She goes That jet ski scene is one
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: of the most ironic things I've ever watched on TV.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: And at the end, I screamed at the TV, we
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: get it. You're coming like you've made each other orgasm.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Good on you? Why go back?
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Was that when we got into the fight?
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Ye, yeah, yes, yes. And his whole thing was like,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: did you try to touch my wife. But like also
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: like he showed up naked in Aubrey Plaza's hotel room
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: and when she's told her husband, he was like, whatever,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: that's just how he is. She's like, why are we
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: hanging out with these people? Right, She's like what is happening?
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: But I'm always like, it's because he's in love with him, yes,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: And it's because so much carries over from Grecian times,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: and in Greece it was very well taught that men
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: could only have true love for other men because they
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: were on the same playing field.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of there is a rumor that Hugh Hefner
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: was in fact, well he was you know, he has
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: had experimented with and he was fluid, done everything. Yeah,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: he's very fluid, and he was admitted that to that.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: But there was a rumor that him and doctor Saginaw
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: for his longtime doctor and best friend, I guess, were
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: in love with each other. But I don't know if
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: that's true, And there are people that say that that's
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: just like theory, confiracy or whatever, but I don't know,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: it's I don't who knows.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: The like love and romance, coseplaying of the Girl's next
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Door and the girlfriends and the mansion too, is like
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: such a mind fuck because I believe sometimes on episodes
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I was sold that Holly and Hugh Hefner loved one
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: another for boyfriend.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Girlfriend Yes, because I think you think, oh, if she
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: she likes it, then I love it, Like Okay, you know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: but you really you really, because you really can't if
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: you're trying to put yourself in her shoes. There's no
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: way she can be in love with them. There's just
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: no way. And I think she even fools herself or
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: just try to convince herself that.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: She's in love and it's and again it's like, why
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: can't men just love us instead of just like cause
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: playing to love us and like building us in an
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: hire like sex Fiel Disney World to pretend to love
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: us and have you You haven't seen Companioning yet, but
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: do you know what it's about?
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Vaguely? I haven't seen it, though I really want to
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: see it.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: It's really good and you would really love it. Yeah,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: but it's another twisted it's twisted, and it's another movie
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: about like the after effects of when women are objectified
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: to the extreme, like Blink Twice and such okay.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, blink twice. I've definitely seen in yes.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, rough movies, but my favorite movies of
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: the past couple of years, Like yeah, me too, and
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's this whole thing of like if you
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: put as much effort into like loving the idea of
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: us and instead working on yourself to the point where
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: you're likable and could invest in someone else, I feel
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: like you still get the same gratification.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know why he felt the need
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: to have so many girlfriends up until his dath, right
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: or I mean when he died, he was just he
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: not to say you had that many girlfriends, but he
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: was just married to Crystal at the end, in the end,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: but well into your eighties, I just feel like, God, like,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: aren't you exhausted from it all?
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Like don't you want someone to hug you and mean it?
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: But I think, Okay, I'm jumping around here, but hear
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: me out. I believe there's a bit, not a bit,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: there has to be some pedophilia with this, with this man,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: especially with the Shannon twins of it all, who were
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I believe eighteen barely eighteen, and they moved in and
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Dave accounted for, like just being traumatized.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Is one of your books in your stack, that playground
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: book about the girl whose dad becomes best friends with
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Hugh Hefner when she's twelve.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: That's doctor Saginor. That's the doctor that was like his
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: best friend. And I believe Jennifer Saginor who wrote who
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: is this? Who wrote the book? The book's not that great.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I will say the book is not great, but it's
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: very interesting. It has some interesting parts, but like towards
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: the end, it kind of drags on. However, U. Yeah,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: she grew up and saw like so many inappropriate things,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: and her father was awful person.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: And she was a teenager in a sapphic relationship with
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: one of the playmates, and then he was like, if
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: you're gonna kiss her, I'm going to watch. And she
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: got to be in the bedroom. And I not what
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: her official age would have been when that was happening.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Ten. I believe, Oh God, I don't know about the
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: if you kissed her, I want to watch? Is that
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: something she said in one of the things?
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: No, because I know she felt very.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Oh because there was From her account, allegedly, she says
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: she invited her into the bedroom with another woman and
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: she started crying.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, and then she was allowed to leave.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, and she laughed and he is like, well, she's
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: crying now, so I guess.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Well she's got to go or whatever.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Like sorry, I guess he doesn't get hard from crying.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: No children, no movie. She did have a relationship with
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: his girlfriend at the time, who she says in the
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: book is a different name, so she doesn't name her,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: but if you do the time, you can figure out
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: who it is. Sure I wrote her name somewhere, but
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: I won't here. But yeah, no, but Carrie Le allegedly
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: allegedly allegedly but no.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: So like I think when I think that, when like
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: you have that like, well anything goes in the lagoon mindset,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: then literally anything fucking goes. And we see that in
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: over sexualized populations and situations all the time. Like I
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: watched that shitty show on Hulu that I Love tell
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Me Lies, and one idiot brought his sixteen year old
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: sister to a frat party and you just watched her
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: be preyed on. And I was like, why would you
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: bring a sixteen year old to the to the to
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: the roofie house. Why, like, do you not care about
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: your sixteen year old sister, Like.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Right, it's that yeah, and it's that like gross catch
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: twenty two where it's like or I don't know, kitch
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: twin two is the right race, but it's like, yeah,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: the girl in this inappropriate place. But then it's like
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: why did you bring the But it's like why is
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: this place inappropriate? And like allowed to exist? Like it's
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: like those two things are just like ah, and and
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: the thing about the Playboy, the Playboy Mansion is a
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: whole another character and like it also CD and gross
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: underneath as well, Like the Playboy Mansion was a place
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: where people gross. A lot of older gross men and
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: just like famous people and like whoever star movie stars
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: because you have to loved a movie star or any
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: star and all these just like young, beautiful whatever women
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: that were there were just like like hunted ish. It
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: feels like it was like oh, like yeah, like you said,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: prayed upon at this place. But this place was also
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: a place where you know, so many people worked. There
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: was free food there, there were parties there. It was
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: a place where a lot of people felt like it
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: was their safe space. It was a place where you know,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: people felt like they could go and be themselves or
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: could or felt like they were like a family there,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Like it was very much family ish oriente.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Because they did a lot of so weird.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they did a lot of family like events
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: there as well, so there were children there, yes, like
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: for Easter and for like the holidays and stuff.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: It's part of the normalizing that everything's fine here even
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: if anything goes. It's the complete opposite vibe that I
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: believe sex dungeons have, where it's like there are rules
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: and contracts and things that you are allowed to say
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: and things that you can say to get out of things,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: and all of that. Were like, that's the safer space
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: than a fuck boy lagoon at the mansion because you're
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: probably not getting groped against your will by Jack Nicholson
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: at a sex dungeon.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: And he built it that way for that by design.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Because when you go there and people are working there
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: and people are friendly there, and you're getting free food
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: and free drinks and free everything, and you can have
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: sex and it's free and you can be nude and
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: you're feeling so great. Then if something bad happens to
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: you or whatever, Bill Cosby, like you know, tries to
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: slip you a quaylude or whatever like you feel, Oh well,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: but this place is still a great place, you know
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: what I mean, just because that one bad thing happened,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: like no this and I think that's kind of the mindset.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, And Holly says that it was very easy to
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: fall into that.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, how bad Bill Cosby is actually banned from
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: the Playboy mansion.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Sad damn it, Billee, how.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: What do you think? I don't know. I'm not sure
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: exactly what he did, but you know, it had to
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: be something really bad.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: It had to have been like disfigured one of the
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: women to where like Hugh didn't think she was pretty anymore,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: or something like allegedly, but you know, it does have
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: to be like something that like personally pissed off Hugh. Yes,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: and had nothing to do with the safety of women
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: and children.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, agree, agree, Yeah, or something that threatened him like
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: legally or with the police or something like that, although
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: a lot of ex cops and police like worked there
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: as security.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: So I is Christie's mom, Hugh Hefner's only wife that
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: was like quote unquote enorm me. He did have one
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: wife that was not a playmate, and she got to
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: live at the like she still very much got to
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: be like around.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: I mean Kimberly. I So he had two Christy and
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: David with his first wife, Mildred, and then they divorced
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: in like nineteen fifty nine. And then he I'm looking
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: at my notes too, by the way, just like what
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: I am in't saying. But and then his second wife
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: is Kimberly Conrad, who was a playmate. Although I'm not
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: sure if she was a playmate before they got married.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: I think maybe after they got married. But anyway, yes,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: and Kimberly is very private, like she has not written
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: a book. I don't see her often in articles or
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: anything like that. I don't believe she was has been
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: involved in any documentaries but her, and she has two sons,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Marston and Cooper. With you have her and they were
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: married for like a long almost twenty years because well
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: they were no, they were married for a while and
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: then they got separated and stayed separated for several years
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: until they divorced when I believe one of his sons
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: turned like when the youngest son from eighteen, I believe
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: he divorced her.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Also, I will say this as a child, I grew
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: up obsessed with I guess what I would call brothel culture.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Like I loved the book about a brothel. Oh same,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I loved a TV show about a brothel. But at
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: the head of all of the literature and or shows
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: I loved about brothels was a man, damn. And there's
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: a different vibe. The thing that gets me, that punches
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: me in the gut all the time about these rich
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: men who give women quote unquote the high life and
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: the only cost is you have to be willing to
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: do whatever whenever. Is that at no point are they
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: gonna throw a couple extra hundred bucks to make sure
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: that you have private security to walk you to your
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: door to your car, or you know, give you some
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: sort of retirement plan, or make sure that when you
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: say this guy on the hotline's creep, he's banned from
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: the hotline. And like the way that men won't protect
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: women who are serving them, compared to mad dams who
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: are like, these are my girls, and they will be clean,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: and they will be healthy, and they will be and
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: we have buddy over here who will walk you to
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: your car every night, so no one's just hanging around
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: in the parking lot to get to you or whatever.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: That's the kind of shit that gets me on board.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm on board with this.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: The Heidi Flaes of it all, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: don't get that vibe from Hugh Ethner at all, like
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: that he was protective of the women in his life.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe certain women though he was. There
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: were certain women that worked for him. Let's say Mary
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: and Mary I forget her last name. There was a
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: woman named Mary that worked for him for many many years,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: was his private secretary who I believe he was fond of.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: And I think maybe Kimberly. She lived right across the street.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Like you were saying, I think there were certain pick
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: and shooes women that he may have felt protective over.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: But otherwise no, I don't think. I think once he
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: was done with you, or you were or you were
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: done with him, then he was like goodbye. Although he did,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: he was smart and most of his life maintaining good
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: relationships like with his axes and past girlfriends. He did
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: seem to have like an open door policy. Not open
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: door like they could be a girlfriend again, but open
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: door like they can come to parties, hang out, da
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: da dah, like and that's what I mean about the
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: mansion being this kind of like safe space for for anyone. Yes,
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: you're welcome, come, eat.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Play, which is what Michael Jackson did with never One.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like do we see where we're all going with?
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, the thing about the mansion too, And this
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: is in Crystal's book. It's very moldy, like they found
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: all kinds of like black mold. It's gross, people said
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: when I think, even like Holly Madison Mighte who said this,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: like when she first went to the mansion and once
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: like this, you know, the grandness of it all kind
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: of wore off and you realize, oh, this one smells
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: like dog shit and the carpets are really gross, and
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: like this is like the whole thing is like first
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: is very outdated. It's like from the seventies.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: So my experience with kind of wealthy to wealthy white
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: men is that they truly don't believe that they should
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: ever have to spend their money on upkeep. That's why
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: they say rich, yes, But it's also why you walk
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: through their homes and you're like, nothing is nice here.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: It's like when I'm watching Southern term and I'm like
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: all of you are too rich to be this dehydrated
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: and bad looking, like you shouldn't be aging this quickly
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: because you're rich. If I'm doing it off of my
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: seven dollars, Saravey, you should be light years ahead of
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: me when it comes to the fountain of you check
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: right right.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen Shep in a while because I haven't
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: watched the show since. I think since Through and Left,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen it.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Always looked Whitney's melting like Elon currently and I'm like,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: why are you melting, Whitney? You have so much money.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Your mother isn't melting. Why are you what's your name?
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Pat? That's right?
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Sure, we are coming up on that hour. And I
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: turned out we.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Need to get to Pignic or everything well for the
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: baby oil of it all.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: That's why there's so much mold in the mansion because
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: of baby oil everywhere.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Baby oil, Like I think we have to just I mean,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: he was grossed by using baby oil as louve. That
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: is disgusting. I'm sure all these women can never smell
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: baby oil ever again. And now we have Diddy to
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: bring that back. He had to have gotten that idea,
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: I think from you have.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know where where do men any if there's
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: any men that ever listen to this or women do
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: not just throw it out. It's not lube, it's you.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: We're going to make yourself sick.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to give you a UTI big time.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: We make loop companies make lube. That's called lube for reasons.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: It's because that's what you're doesn't use it.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Anymore, I would assume, like actually never, I don't even
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: for my babies. I never bought baby oil, so I
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: don't know how much it costs. But lube is not
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: is not inexpensive. I mean it's not expensive.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: I have to imagine that baby oil gives that like
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: kind of shiny effect that like tanning oil gives. You
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like where like all of a
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: sudden you're slick and you're shiny and youthful because you
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: have baby oil off.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: But do you think he's rubbing it all over himself?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: No, I think I think the women have to be
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: coated it oiled up.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Well, supposedly in the not supposedly so. I read somewhere
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: that in the bathrooms on a tray was Kleenex, pepto bismal, vasoline,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: baby oil, and sunscreen.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: What do you think about the pepto bismal.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Well, no, one that's just consider it. It's the most
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: considerate thing he's ever done. Because hot girls have ibs
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: and I wish more clubs would put pepto in the bathrooms.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Oh well, I heard it was because people, especially back
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: in the day, we're doing like coke.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: What does pepto do with coke?
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: I guess it stops you from like shooting your pants
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: or something. I don't know.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that you should. This is how
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: much I've never done about coke.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: That's what I just heard.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't know that coke. Did you
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: shake yourself? I'm gonna have to text some people to
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: be like, have you ever shot yourself on coke?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Maybe there's someone that does, is doing coke right now
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: listening and they're like, no, that doesn't.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Please tap in. I assome. It was so like Jack
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Nicholson wouldn't get hot her heartburn while he was like
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: pressing up some girl he didn't ask the name of.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: I've never rot Jack Nichols. I love Jack Nicholson as
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: an actor, Like, don't get me wrong, I love like
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of his movies are great, but never found
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: him attractive.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson is just the like only seedy old man
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: I know has been to the Mansion.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, James Kahn, Yes, obviously, Bill Cosby, like all of them,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: All of them have Becaprio, like all of them. Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: there's there was this thing called pig Night, which I
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: learned from a documentary. It was this took place in
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: the seventies and what they You're gonna hate this.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: They did.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: And by they, I'm not sure who wrangled these women.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: They wrangled women who were sex workers, and they brought
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: them to the mansion. Supposedly the doctor checked them. I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: don't know how you check for. I guess checked for
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: like outward signs of uh STIs but or SDD. I
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: don't know what you're saying, STD or okay, so STI
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: and would check them and then they would proceed to
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: perform acts on these u uh ladies. And I guess
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: laugh about it. And it's called it pignite, and I
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: just find that's so important.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: And in twenty twenty four, that's how we got the
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: movie Blink twice Starry Channing tape, Oh very much. That Yeah,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: that vibe. The only other thing I wanted to mention.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: Was well the whole like, like, how Hugh Hefner some
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: people believe he is sort of this like civil rights
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: kind of.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: Who because and I I just think he was equal
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: opportunity sexist, like yeah, just because he had.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Black women on covers and it just bec there wasn't si. Yeah,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: there wasn't segregation at his parties and back in the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: day when there was segregation. I just feel like he
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: was just an equals opportunity.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Was he donating to the NAACP or was.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: He just literally I think that NAACP had him as
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: something like or touted him at one point as like
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: some in some sort of leadership role. So yeah, this.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Is how you know it's the man's world. Because someone
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: was like, thank god that Hugh Avner is also objectifying
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: black women exactly. Yes my face, I will say something
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: about Pig Night. It really does like leave a dark
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: spot on my soul to know that you can have
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: all of the access to the women in the world,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: be paying them, be wanting them to be knocking at
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: your door, thousands of pictures set every month to be
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: playing made of the month, all of it, and yet
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: it still won't ever be enough, because what you really
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: want to do is embarrassed women, because that's what they
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: were trying to do, was embarrassing women who were also
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: just trying to make their rent. And it is like,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: and that's where the cruelty part comes in, because it's like,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: why is it that you have everything that you want
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: and yet you still have to somehow show us that
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: you're better than us and that you hate us.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: Because men like this cannot stand a smart woman. No,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: they just can't, and they can't handle it. They can't
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: handle a woman on their own level. And that's why,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, the big thing I need not to compare
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: it to men that date younger women, but there is
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: a through line, I think, because they want what's.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Easy and controllable and controllable yeah, which yeah, yeah, which
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: is why he with the girlfriends on allowances instead of
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: paying them salaries.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: M hmm, And which is why they were young, yeah
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: to them young. And none of these women were women
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: that were a you know, necessarily aside from Bridget who
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: had her degrees and she really but she had an
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: you know, she had her goals as well, like within Playboy.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: She wanted to accomplish certain things in Playboy as well,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: but like a kindre like or even Holly like, she didn't,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: she says in her book she needed a place to stay. Yeah,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: or else she was going back to, think Oregon or
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: Alaska or wherever she was from.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: Was Holly the one that they used to make fun
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: of because she could read, Like she would openly read
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: books and they'd be like, what the hell, I don't know,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Know what that sounds about, right, Holly.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I think she said.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: That she couldn't use her brain, so she felt stupid
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: at one point, like she was going stupid because he
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: he his root. Oh we didn't talk about his routine either,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: That's the whole thing. Like every day was the same,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: every year, the same parties, everything, every meal he ate
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: was the same, everything the same. He liked his women
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: to look the same, like he liked a certain look.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: He liked very much a routine that man had and
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: to be in that. Like, don't get me wrong, Like listen,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: I'm yourrius too, so I get it, Like I love
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: a routine. I love a control. I love all that,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: but to be in that with someone I would you
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: just go insane?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: No, because it drives to be crazy, because like, I'm
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: so tired of men just not being able to get
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: over themselves, because we all have a day to live through,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: Whereas like you and I can have our routine interrupted,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: be irritated, and get over it all within three minutes
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: so we get to eat or go to the movie
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: or do whatever we've promised kids or significant others. Whereas
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: men are like I didn't have my Chicken and Stars today,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, convenience time inconvenience. And then you
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: tell them something like well they were out of Chicken
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Stars at the store. And then they're like, why are
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: you picking a fight with me? You know I love
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Chicken and Stars. Why are you trying to tell me
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: that's wrong? And it's like, it's that what I'm trying
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: to tell you. I was trying to give you a fact.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Because he didn't have to and he didn't want to.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: He paid people to do that, He paid women to
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: be there. Yeah, And I just think what a sad,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: sad human being that you had to have been to
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: do that, to really didn't really have much love in
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: the end.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: No, it's to your kids, That's about it.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: Again. It's like he was the original in cell because
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: he knew that he was like so insecure that the
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: only way that he was going to be able to
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: get the kind of woman he could fantasize about one
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: team is through objectifying them and paying them. It doesn't
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: mean in the end.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, in his younger days, the women that were
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: with him did seem to genuinely love him. Probably probably,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: I mean I think he I mean I think he
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: definitely fumbled with Collie for sure. Yeah, I think he
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: could have possibly, I mean, if he treated her well,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: I think she maybe would have loved him.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Could you imagine I and he had all of America,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: if not the world, being in love with the scoofy
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: old man who only wears bathrobes and has all these
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: pretty ladies Like we loved him. We were like what
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: you loved it?
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: Ate it up? And God didn't. And but it's so
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: obvious now, like now watching it, I'm like whoa, yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: like why is this old man with these twenty year
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: old women? Well, and it's happening, and it's also so
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: obvious because of the work of women to be like, hey, actually,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: I'd like to talk about the real story. I'd like
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: I'd like to talk about what we all actually experienced
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: and how it was probably mass trauma. Like yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: are you ready.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: To move on to lessons and manifestations?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: What do you think is your biggest lesson from doing
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: your own personal deep dive of Playboy?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: I think a big lesson is to be careful that
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: be careful about being manipulated, be careful of being exploited,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: I think, because that's what was happening, And be careful
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: of my own kind of like desires for wanting to
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: be a part of something, you know, without really checking
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: it out first, you know what I mean?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, because I love to fall in love with a
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: friend with like a new friend, Like you meet them
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, we're best friends and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: I love you, and then find out three weeks later
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: that I don't actually like them at all. I am
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: so guilty of that.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I think, Yeah, I'm guilty of that too,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: but I think it's helped. It's helped. I think reading
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: these ladies' like stories too, like whether I agree with
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: them or not, or whether I whatever. It's so helped
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: learning from their not mistakes, because I don't think, I
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: don't think any of these things are their fault and ultimately,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: but learning like just to be cautious, Yes.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I think also I've learned the importance of
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: the work doesn't end once you're out of the bad situation,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: because now so many women are using their platforms to
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: actually tell the true story. Like I'm blown away by Holly.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Holly's brave, She's brave, she's brilliant, She's so
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: well spoken, which I know is like a dumb thing
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: that we're not even supposed to say, but like, truly
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: like the work that she is doing after Playboy, I
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: would call in important and great work and quality work.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: And I don't think we would have seen that coming
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: episode one of the Girl's next Door.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, agree, yeah, I never would have thought she would
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: have written a book or exposed so many things that
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: she's exposed, and it's continuing to expose and put so
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: much information out there, and I think warning a lot
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: of women that could see themselves in some of these
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: herois situations like heron' hero in some harrowing situations.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: Well and also like leading people like well, not like
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: you and I because you and I do have empathy
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: for these women, but like leading the masses into Let
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: me walk you through how things like this happen. Yes, agree,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: Let me walk you through why a woman ends up
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: in a situation like this. Let me walk you through
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: why you should be thinking about. Is the woman that
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: I am paying to spend time with me safe?
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: Am I making that woman unsafe by being a person
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: in their life? Mister I'm calling the hotline for twenty
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: out of twenty four hours a day, like not healthy?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Not healthy? And what is our responsibility to well? And
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: not even our RESPONSI what is what is men's responsibility
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: to making the world safer for women in general? Well?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: I feel I do have a responsibility a way too, though,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: because like we said, I mean, I was watching it,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: I loved it, didn't have a second thought, nurse, and
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: I'm still watching it. I still watch it. Obviously, I
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: have different feelings now.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: And we're lucky that it worked out for Holly Bridget
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: and Kendra, And probably a lot of it is because
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: they were in the public eyes so much that it
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: would be harder for bad things to happen to them exactly.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Think about all the women that didn't have that, those opportunities.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: All they had, unnamed women in bikinis who were just
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: put the followed to their cars. I mean we talked
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: about with Dallas Coway cheerleaders too, like geotagging their cars,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: finding out where you live, finding out where your boyfriend works.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: Like I just like would love to feel like I'm
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: not in constant danger all the time.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Same, yeah, same. You don't have to be a woman
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: nude in a magazine to have a man follow you.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: You could be in a bathroom chill and hair mess,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: new makeup, and a man will still try to stop you.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I was going to take a nap,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: or I was going to take a walk today after
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: work because it's really nice outside. But my period fatigue
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: hit at the very end of my ship, so I
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'll set an alarm and I'll take
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: a nap. And I nap too long and I started
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: to lose the light and I was like, it's not
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: worth it. I won't enjoy my walk even if I'm
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: in a quote unquote nice neighborhood. I'm like, they just
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: allow men anywhere I don't.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: Walk around here, which is pretty nice, you know, pretty
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: safe in the daytime by myself. And I never wear headphones,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: Like I never get to listen to music.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like then the only.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: Time I get to listen to music is in my car.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: And then it's like, I don't want to take the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: dog because the dog's a pain in the ass. And
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: then you have to like be diligent about the dog
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: and like picking up after the dog or whatever, and
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: sometimes you just want to enjoy your walk. But I
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: was like, but then I'm on target if I don't
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: take the dog. At least if you have a dog
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: with you, people think twice about approaching you.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't imagine what these women that literally are
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: exposed exposing themselves, what they have to deal with, as
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: far as the harassment that they get, not only from
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: men but from women as well who harass them, call
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: them names, from religious people or those you know, religious
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: fanatics or whatever, and obviously people commenting on their body
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: and their looks.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know well, and Holly does say she's like,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: there's no after care for it, there's no preparing yourself
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: for it. And then there's also Playboy never had anything
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: put into place for you to like we had all
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: of those training days for what because you never taught
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: me how to like actually deal with the backlash and
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: people knowing me in this way, and like because they
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: get what.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: They want, which is the money from the women the
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: company is who the company is built on. That they
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: don't take care of these women, Like a lot of
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: companies don't take care of the people that work for them.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: But what would be my mom? So I do this
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: a little sick ceremony when I get in the car,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: and it's like I get in the car and I
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: put on my seatbelt and then I go, well, men
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: can be anywhere, and then I lock the door. And
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: that's my reminder to lock my door. They let men
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: be anywhere, and I lock my door.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: And one time I said it in front of my Bob.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: We were in the library parking lot, and I went,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: they let men be anywhere, and I locked the doors. No,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: I locked the door because she was going to stay
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: in the car when I ran in to get my
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: book by pickup, and so I went, Mom, they let
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: men be anywhere, and I locked the door so she'd
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: be safe, and she physically turned to look around, like,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: is a guy approaching the car? I was like, no, Mom,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: but he could.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: Yes. I had a friend have a man in her
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: car when she was coming out of the store.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: My nightmare, my literal, I always.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: Know she did and I didn't even think of this,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if you have this for on
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: your key ring. She pressed the alarm.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Alarm, yeah, and he ran out of the car. That's smart, Yeah,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: I would be.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I wouldn't even.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: That because depending on where you're part, what if he
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: sees you, and he sees you do a one eighty
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: and try to get back into the store like it's
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: a confrontation. Oh that's quick thinking what it's because honestly,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: if he's in my car, he has access to my car.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Bat because after this election, I was like, I'm getting
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: a bat.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe I should get one too.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm getting armed up. Ray key knives bad because
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: they be letting men everywhere.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: They got them in my house right now.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: What would be a manifestation that you would want to
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: add to this conversation at the collective because of Playboy,
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  Speaker 1: I would.
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  Speaker 2: Like to manifest. I would like to manifest some sort
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  Speaker 2: of back. I don't know if preparations is the right word.
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  Speaker 2: It's preparations for the women whose nudes, especially for the
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  Speaker 2: women whose nudes are in some sort of locked storage
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  Speaker 2: facility somewhere, past playmates as well. If this company does
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  Speaker 2: doesn't go breakrupt and just falter and just you know,
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  Speaker 2: lie into dust, I would hope that the past women
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  Speaker 2: as far and as well as the women in the
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  Speaker 2: future who want to be a part of the company
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  Speaker 2: would get there their do what they're doing, what they're owed.
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  Speaker 1: That's my manifestation, and I think my manifestation too, is
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: that that sex work becomes more of a woman dominated field,
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  Speaker 1: that it's women at the forefront of things like sex
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  Speaker 1: work and magazines that are going to feature women in
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  Speaker 1: the nude, and ways that women are making money off
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  Speaker 1: of their sexuality, like that includes stripping, that includes you know,
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  Speaker 1: or lesque, titty shows, last showgirl type deals in Vegas,
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  Speaker 1: all of it. Like, I want women more at the
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  Speaker 1: forefront because I do believe that we are empathetic and
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  Speaker 1: I do believe that we believe in our art and
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  Speaker 1: our sexuality, and we would do it in a way
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  Speaker 1: where women are safer.
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  Speaker 2: Amen. I love that women, like being the owners of
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  Speaker 2: this of that business instead of like a only fans
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  Speaker 2: where like they're working like have a woman CEO of
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  Speaker 2: a OnlyFans type of thing and then branch from there.
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  Speaker 1: Like yeah, because and again, like my controversial Queen Taylor
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  Speaker 1: Swift is one of the only women, one of the
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  Speaker 1: only women. She's one of the only artists who the
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  Speaker 1: entire time her dancers and her crew are on tour
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  Speaker 1: with her, they have full benefits. And I think she
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  Speaker 1: extends it six months to a year after a tour wraps,
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  Speaker 1: because it's not like you get a job immediately.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And it's like you could be sore for a
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  Speaker 2: while after.
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  Speaker 1: That, right, I mean the air tour was like what
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  Speaker 1: fucking fifteen years long? Shaking off shaking it off well,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: And also like and that's the entertainment business, like you're
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: not guaranteed your next job a week after your last
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: job ended. And uh so she's one of the only
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  Speaker 1: artists that does it. David Letterman made fun of her
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  Speaker 1: one time and she said, well, I'm one of the
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: only people who does that, and she said something along
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: the lines of, but I know I'm not the only
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  Speaker 1: one who can afford to do it, thank you, and
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: she gives these people bonuses like unheart of So again,
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  Speaker 1: I do feel that, like I've been told to stop
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: alienating men from the conversation and the solutions, but I
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: do feel like they have to be like put to
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  Speaker 1: bed before and we come up with the solutions and
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: then they have to just sign on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Why yeah, why.
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  Speaker 1: Let me need men to be They're not doing that,
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  Speaker 1: They're not doing a great job. They've kind of ruined everything.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Have an eight hundred page book about how women used
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: to be in charge of their villages and the village's
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: spirituality and social ladder and all of it. And then
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: white men showed up and have you ever heard of
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Jesus and colonized everything?
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  Speaker 2: Right, well exactly, and when they weren't really like, not
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: to get all like religious, but Jesus himself had women
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: at the forefront of his own business.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: No one wants to talk about it, right, No.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: One, Mary Magdalene and the other married.
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  Speaker 1: No, Jesus loved s and his Yeah, historical historical Jesus
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: loved sex workers women, probably the gays, sand poores and weed. Okay,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: I hang out with historical Jesus every day. Of the
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  Speaker 1: Week and carbs and booze. You show me white Jesus
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't want to know him. I
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: don't want to see him. Right, and he was brown.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: Jesus was brown, thank you. But you show me white
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  Speaker 1: people's Jesus, and I'm like, I don't want to know him.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: I don't want to talk to him. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to see him. He hates gay people, he hates right,
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  Speaker 1: it's like he hates women. I don't want to. I
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: don't want to. One of my other fun manifestations, I
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: would like to run into Holly Madison the next time
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: that I'm in Disney World, which should be twenty twenty eight,
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  Speaker 1: because I would like to tell her personally that I
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: am very proud of her. Yeah, Holle, if you're listening,
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  Speaker 1: we're proud of you, Holly. Maybe I'll just tag you
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: on TikTok can. Yeah, she might be I hashtag it
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: with her full name, probably I am. I'm just like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm very proud of what you're doing with this legacy.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: I was kind of proud of you of what you
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: were doing it with it when you were head girlfriend,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: because I do think that you did a lot to
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  Speaker 1: make that a more positive community or people tried. She tried,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: her fucking tried, and you know you don't have to.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: She made it look fun. They both did. Bridget I
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: think Bridget was actually the one that was the uh
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: the leader of that whole movement, yea to make the
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: and hey boy mansion more fun and like.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: Beamed and like. And Holly was like, what if we
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: got a new carpet right rid of the smell? Like,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: and what if we got a cleaning service in here? Everyone?
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: While let's just she was out here. Yeah, she was
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: like picking up the poop and shaking out the dust.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: She's like, come on, let's fix this. Hollywood had a vision.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: She had vision for sure.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Hollie was like, I love dogs, but this is a lot.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Should uh do you have anything that you want to
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: plug or recommend to people?
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: Oh? I yeah, I mean while we're on I mean, besides,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: you know, to all the men I've tolerated before podcasts,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: besides listening to this podcast, I would I would look
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: into listening to the Girls Next Level podcast if you're
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: interested in Playboy and it's a good like listen from
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: the beginning, yeah, and you can skip around to you
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: could rewatch the episodes and then and then listen to
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: the podcast after it's it's really it's really interesting to
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: get these behind the scenes accounts, and I think the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: I think Holly and Bridget are really good at telling
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: their story.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: They are very charismatic, which I guess you have to
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: be to be.
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  Speaker 2: I would read some of the books too. Some of
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: the books are I think any of the Oh no,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: that's a lie. Some of the books that don't weren't
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: that great b M.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: Chana's for the personal ranking of the book, we don't.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: We don't have to put those people all blast on
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: a hot bike on whose books are good?
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Holly is really good. Down the rabbit Hole is
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: it really good? Gives you a good kind of all
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: way overview too.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: I'll try to link Chelsea's episode on Holly. That was
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: a great episode because it was a good I remember
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: just being like I was on my way to goat
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: yoga when I was listening to it, but I just
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: remember being like, God, it's just like really nice to
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: hear Holly side of it. I don't know, yeah, I
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: mean right in the fields. Well, Chana's thanks for being back.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: What cold do you want to do next.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Well, you know I've always been wanted
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: to do my return to UZ episode with you that
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: is like a whole nother like Psycho. As far as cults,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: I'm so scared of return to I know we should
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: do a scary We always are talking about, like we
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: should do like some sort of final girl like, Yeah,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: we just like review a bunch of Like I don't
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: have scary movies or something. I have to see Command
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: Companion though you do. Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna try
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: to watch it this week.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: My hope is is that Annie sees Companion soon and
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: then we talk about Link twice Substance in Companion as
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: the tripe that does.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: I will be sad for that episode. I love me
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: some Annie, Annie and Annie. I love an Annie episode.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: Annie. Annie and I went and saw Substance together. It
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: was like our first little date after I moved back.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: I was like, let's go see a substance.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: I recommended it to a patron and she came back.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: She came in today, actually slightly older woman, and she
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, that movie you recommend it,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: but she loved it. Like I had to fast forward
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: a couple of the glory parts because I couldn't take it,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: which is fine, but she was like the part where
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: am I spoiling? No, no, no, the part where she's
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: going out on the day. She said, it just broke
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: my heart. Yeah, I said, it's so good. Well, everyone,
• 1:31:16
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• 1:31:26
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• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: my sister lets me posts of every once in a while.
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  Speaker 2: They're so cute.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: They're the only men I trust. They are two and
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: eight weeks old. And then, remember, tolerated. You don't have
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: to smile through anything you're tolerating, including making a bunch
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: of men money while they oggle you but not having
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: health insurance. Smiles are for joy o