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305. A survivor, a mother, a 12-year-old stepping into the world: Is this protection · She Rises with Ashy & Tijana

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  Speaker 1: I need your advice.
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  Speaker 2: Are you okay? What happened?
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  Speaker 1: Promise it won't be too much. Bring it in. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to our bestie segment. This is the place for you.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, everybody. Welcome back to She Rises with your favorite
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  Speaker 2: podcast host, Ashley and Tiana. Welcome back. Why am I
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  Speaker 2: talking like a news reporter? We love this time of
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  Speaker 2: the week when you girls get to write in your
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  Speaker 2: anonymous submissions where you're in a sticky situation or you
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  Speaker 2: want outside perspective, outside advice. It is going to be raw, real,
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  Speaker 2: and honest, just as if we were in the same
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  Speaker 2: situation as you. So I know today's one is a
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  Speaker 2: little bit heavier. Do you want to read out the
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  Speaker 2: submission today?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Okay. Trigger warning, ladies. Hi, ladies. I need a
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  Speaker 1: reality check on a parenting dilemma that's been on my
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  Speaker 1: mind a lot lately. I'm raising two awesome brave girls.
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  Speaker 1: They're seven and 12 and full of life. I'm also
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  Speaker 1: a survivor of childhood abduction and trafficking. Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Over the years, I've put in so
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  Speaker 1: much work, therapy, coaching, and all kinds of modalities to
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  Speaker 1: process what happened and overcome my own fears so I
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  Speaker 1: could live a quote unquote normal, healthy life that I
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  Speaker 1: feel fulfilled with. But here's where I'm running into a wall.
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  Speaker 1: As my daughters get older and take on more independence,
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  Speaker 1: especially my 12 year old moving into these preteen years,
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  Speaker 1: a whole new layer of fear has kicked in. It's
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  Speaker 1: no longer about managing my own personal triggers anymore. It's
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  Speaker 1: about watching them step out into the world and having
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  Speaker 1: my brain scream at me to protect them from things
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  Speaker 1: that I know are real. I know as parents, we
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  Speaker 1: know that the world can be scary. We hear about
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  Speaker 1: these things and we teach our kids about stranger danger.
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  Speaker 1: But when you've lived it, the basic chat doesn't feel
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  Speaker 1: like enough. But I also don't want to put in
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  Speaker 1: my experience and my fears onto them and hold them back.
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  Speaker 1: It's really hard to separate normal parental precaution from triggers
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  Speaker 1: and real experiences. I want my 7 and 12-year-old to
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  Speaker 1: grow up confident, adventurous, and trusting without making them feel
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  Speaker 1: like danger is around every corner. I also want them
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  Speaker 1: to have enough awareness to try to be safe, but
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  Speaker 1: I would love to know how to teach them that
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  Speaker 1: age-appropriate safety and situational awareness without passing on my own trauma. Girls,
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  Speaker 1: where is the line between being a smart, protective mom
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  Speaker 1: and letting past fear run the show? Is there more
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  Speaker 1: that I should be doing for them? Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a tough one. I'll be really honest with you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really scared for this stage. I'm really scared for
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  Speaker 2: the teenage years. I've always said it. I'm most worried
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  Speaker 2: about the teenage years where you somewhat lose a bit
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  Speaker 2: of control over them. Whereas when they're like four, you
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  Speaker 2: have control over the whole life. You're with them all
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  Speaker 2: the time. You're protecting them all the time. You filter
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  Speaker 2: out what they can see, who they hang around with,
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  Speaker 2: what they're watching, what they're doing. But as they get older,
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  Speaker 2: they have more freedom and they want to go out
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  Speaker 2: and do more things. And it's really tough. I honestly
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  Speaker 2: don't feel like I'm going to have much helpful advice
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  Speaker 2: here because I feel like I'm going to go through
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  Speaker 2: this as well. But I think because you have been
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  Speaker 2: through what you've been through, I think it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be really beneficial for them to actually know what can happen.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, age appropriate, I probably wouldn't be telling my
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  Speaker 2: seven-year-old your whole story yet because her brain's probably not
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  Speaker 2: quite developed enough to process that. But as your daughter
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  Speaker 2: starts going into her teen years, absolutely want to get
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  Speaker 2: her to watch Taken. Yeah. I'll be telling her the things.
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  Speaker 2: I have full open conversations about pedophiles about online grooming,
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  Speaker 2: about street safety with Taj. I have spoken about all
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  Speaker 2: that with him. If you asked him what a pedophile
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  Speaker 2: is or what online grooming is, he would be able
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  Speaker 2: to tell you. He has a full understanding about it. And, yes,
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  Speaker 2: does it scare him a little bit?
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: But I almost want him to be a little bit
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  Speaker 2: aware and scared that these things can happen rather than
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  Speaker 2: being completely oblivious and just trust every man and his
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  Speaker 2: dog when they offer candy. Like, no way. I want
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  Speaker 2: him to have street smart to know what can happen.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're going to do a really beautiful job
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  Speaker 2: of explaining it to your girls. And also, yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: have to be aware, I suppose, not to project all
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  Speaker 2: of your fears onto them. It's a tricky one.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry for what you went through.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: That was horrific. I can't even imagine what you have
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  Speaker 1: gone through and what you hold and carry and relive
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  Speaker 1: and all of the things. So I really do hope
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  Speaker 1: that you have some kind of outside support, whether that
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  Speaker 1: be with someone like a therapist or a coach or
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  Speaker 1: even family or whoever it is that you can lean on. Consistently.
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  Speaker 1: Consistently to support you through this, right? Because obviously- you know,
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  Speaker 1: on top of being a parent, you're also navigating, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Your own trauma.
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  Speaker 1: Significant trauma.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And again, like I haven't been in your position in
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  Speaker 1: terms of like, I don't have any children, but from
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  Speaker 1: a standpoint of like my mom teaching me certain things,
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  Speaker 1: like she can be quite anxious. Like I'm one of
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  Speaker 1: five children, four of us being girls. So for her,
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  Speaker 1: she was also similar to you actually in the sense
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  Speaker 1: of always being overly scared and like just cautious of
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  Speaker 1: like the things that can happen in real life because
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  Speaker 1: of your real life experiences.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And my mom also had that kind of level of
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  Speaker 1: fear as well. And because of that, she was overly
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  Speaker 1: cautious around situations, teaching us things. I remember us being
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  Speaker 1: inside time zone and I was probably like, yay big.
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  Speaker 1: So I would've been like six or seven, all of
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  Speaker 1: my older sisters, two years, four years, five years, six
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  Speaker 1: years older than me. And she'd put us in time
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  Speaker 1: zone and she'd be like, girls, can you notice anything?
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  Speaker 1: I'd be like, nope, nope, nope. And then my sister
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  Speaker 1: Shanta would be like, that man is following us. He's
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  Speaker 1: been like, kind of like lurking around us kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: And she always had That's cool.
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  Speaker 2: I like that.
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  Speaker 1: She was like teaching us in real time of like
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  Speaker 1: how to be situationally aware of like what's happening around
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  Speaker 1: us and in an environment where time zone is like distraction, dopamine, lights,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, distraction, where you're pulling your focus out
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  Speaker 1: of your real life. She put us in that environment
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  Speaker 1: and goes like, what are you paying attention to outside
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  Speaker 1: of your environment? So my mom did things like that
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  Speaker 1: often for us. And I remember even when I went
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  Speaker 1: overseas and I was like 17, my older sister and I,
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  Speaker 1: we went overseas for a month and then another time
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  Speaker 1: again for three months outside. traveling the world in Europe.
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  Speaker 1: And she basically just sat me down and was like,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to watch take him like before you go,
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  Speaker 1: because I want you to know what can happen. Don't
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  Speaker 1: talk to anyone who's a stranger. You know, there are
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  Speaker 1: going to be men who are super friendly with you.
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  Speaker 1: And what it did was when I was over there,
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  Speaker 1: it actually did allow me to have like situational awareness. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously by then I was quite older, but in
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  Speaker 1: saying that it did make me turn around and check
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  Speaker 1: behind me when I'm walking at night, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: then I wouldn't go into dark places at night or,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when they were meant on the gondolas in
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  Speaker 1: Italy being like, there's a house party at our house tonight.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, no, we don't go. It's things like that.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know if any of that is helpful
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  Speaker 1: to share, but that's kind of like what my mum
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  Speaker 1: has taught me. And I think as much as it
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  Speaker 1: has made me a little bit anxious, it also has
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  Speaker 1: made me really street aware.
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  Speaker 2: So can I ask, do you think your mum did
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  Speaker 2: a good job? When you become a parent, will you
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  Speaker 2: copy and repeat what she did with you? Or would
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  Speaker 2: you not do it as much because it's made you anxious?
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  Speaker 2: Like what would you do.
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  Speaker 1: Now going through that? I think my mum is a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more anxious than the way that I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I would approach it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so how would you approach it differently?
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  Speaker 1: I think like what you said of having open conversations.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think having open conversations of letting them know not
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  Speaker 1: to be fearful, but just to know that there are
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  Speaker 1: things that they need to be aware of, I think
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  Speaker 1: is really important.
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  Speaker 2: Education for me, that's what I talk about.
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  Speaker 1: And I think from your standpoint as well, what you've
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  Speaker 1: been through, you have more contacts than most people, which
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  Speaker 1: is both unfortunate and in some way fortunate.
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  Speaker 2: A blessing, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, my mom, for argument's sake, she looks on
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  Speaker 1: crime shows and goes, oh, I learned this, this, this,
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  Speaker 1: and this. And if you need to get out of here,
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  Speaker 1: then you can push through and, you know, break through
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  Speaker 1: the fucking. The car thing. I know what she's going
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  Speaker 1: to say.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like she learns these things through crime shows. And unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: and fortunately, you've also been through that yourself. So you
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  Speaker 1: have more context of, what they do, how it happens,
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  Speaker 1: what you need to be aware of, what the circumstances are.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Watching that and living through it.
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  Speaker 1: You fucking have lived through it. So you have context
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  Speaker 1: and like, again, age appropriate. But when it comes time,
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  Speaker 1: you can share the story of what you went through.
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  Speaker 1: what you looked out for, how you got out, like
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  Speaker 1: all of those things if you feel ready and comfortable
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  Speaker 1: to have that conversation.
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  Speaker 2: And also age appropriate but maturity appropriate. So I think
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  Speaker 2: like Taj is quite emotionally intelligent.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, so emotionally intelligent.
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  Speaker 2: Very aware.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But like maybe your daughter, I said show her, take
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  Speaker 2: a movie, maybe 12 is too young. But maybe when
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  Speaker 2: she's 15 and she's 16 and she's, oh, mum, when
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  Speaker 2: I leave school at 17, 18, I'm going to do
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  Speaker 2: a gap year and go couch surfing and travel all
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  Speaker 2: over Europe. That's when it's like, okay, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: just have some conversations about things that can happen and
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  Speaker 2: Might not happen, but let's just like make sure that
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  Speaker 2: you're super aware and that you've got the knowledge and
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  Speaker 2: the education to protect yourself. So I'd be having those conversations.
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  Speaker 2: Same with drugs. Like I am very big on like
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  Speaker 2: not wanting my kids to trial drugs because you don't
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  Speaker 2: know what's in them. You don't know how your body's
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  Speaker 2: going to respond. You don't know who's around you. Like,
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  Speaker 2: so I haven't said to Taj, don't ever do drugs.
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  Speaker 2: Drugs are bad. But I have spoken about what happens
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  Speaker 2: to people that do take drugs. And I've showed him
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  Speaker 2: clips online, like, you know, the streets in Seattle, there's
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  Speaker 2: just people on, it's not ice, it must be something
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  Speaker 2: else where they're just They're literally frozen in a position
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  Speaker 2: for hours on end or they're scratching and they've got
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  Speaker 2: all the scabs. And I've shown him videos. Like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I think he's very emotionally mature and I thought he's ready.
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  Speaker 2: And he was asking all the questions of like, why
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  Speaker 2: do they take it then? Why do they do that?
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  Speaker 2: And we've had really good conversations around that. So he
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  Speaker 2: has made up at the moment and said like, I
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  Speaker 2: never want to try drugs, but I do want to
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  Speaker 2: have a sip of beer one day. Is that okay? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, look, mommy and daddy don't drink anymore.
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  Speaker 2: We don't think it serves us. We don't value it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think there's any benefits to it. However, you know,
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  Speaker 2: some people like Aunty Didi, she likes to have a
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  Speaker 2: wine every now and again with the girls, but it's
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  Speaker 2: in control. It's with a meal and it's not done overboard.
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  Speaker 2: So if you want to try a beer one day,
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  Speaker 2: we can get you a beer and you can see
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  Speaker 2: if you like it. You might even hate the taste.
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  Speaker 2: We just have this casual conversation about it. But I've
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  Speaker 2: shown him what can happen when you take drugs. And
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  Speaker 2: I do want him to be a bit scared of
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  Speaker 2: it and a bit wary of like, is this worth
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  Speaker 2: risking my life for? No.
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  Speaker 1: No. It's like almost presenting all of the information, allowing
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  Speaker 1: them to decide for themselves and make a conscious choice
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  Speaker 1: for themselves instead of deciding for them, which I think
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  Speaker 1: is really cool.
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  Speaker 2: My friend's mom in high school gave her a book.
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  Speaker 2: It was about this girl who took one ecstasy pill.
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  Speaker 1: She died.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. So her sister wrote this book about it. And
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  Speaker 2: I remember my friend in high school, she read it
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  Speaker 2: and she still has never touched any drugs, doesn't drink
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  Speaker 2: like she is straight away because of that book. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So I think educating them in that way is really
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  Speaker 2: powerful as well.
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  Speaker 1: It's scary.
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  Speaker 2: It's a scary world out there. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you'd be open to it, but I would love to
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  Speaker 2: have you on the podcast if you were open to
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  Speaker 2: sharing your story, because I think that could help also
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  Speaker 2: so many other mums that are sitting where you are
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  Speaker 2: right now going, gosh, I don't even know what goes
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  Speaker 2: on in the world. It might be totally oblivious. to
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  Speaker 2: what can happen. And you talking about it also might
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  Speaker 2: help you figure out how you want to teach your
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  Speaker 2: daughter in it, because what you share, you might have
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  Speaker 2: some moments as well. So I know this is anonymous,
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  Speaker 2: but if you ever wanted to come on, we'd love
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  Speaker 2: to have a conversation with you as well.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. That would be incredible to share your story. And
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  Speaker 1: also just like to create some awareness on what you've
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  Speaker 1: been through and for anyone who may have either been
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  Speaker 1: through it, going through it or, you know, just to
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  Speaker 1: protect themselves in the future because it is unfortunately a
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  Speaker 1: really harsh reality of life and something that we do
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  Speaker 1: have to be cautious about as women.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen on TikTok lately about
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  Speaker 2: women that are traveling solo to Europe. They're sharing their stories.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have to send you one. There's one girl, she
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  Speaker 2: shared a story of how she said it was textbook
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  Speaker 2: like taken. She was like at the Eiffel Tower and
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: then these two guys, like attractive guys, some are coming
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  Speaker 2: and talking to her and asking if she's alone and
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  Speaker 2: She said, no, I'm not. And with like my boyfriend,
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  Speaker 2: my brother, whatever, they're just like back at the apartment.
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  Speaker 2: And then she went to get on a train and
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  Speaker 2: they followed her on. And then there's two other men
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  Speaker 2: that came on and they were all texting and talking
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  Speaker 2: to each other. So she got off, they followed her,
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  Speaker 2: got on the next train. So she got on the
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  Speaker 2: phone to someone back in Australia. talking to them, like
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  Speaker 2: sharing her location. And then she went and sat next
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  Speaker 2: to someone else, like a lady who spoke their language.
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  Speaker 2: The person in Australia knew the language they were speaking
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  Speaker 2: so she could understand what they were saying. Yeah, she
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: was about to get put in a situation where she
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: was going to get trafficked. And is that the word trafficked?
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, she shared her health story and how she
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  Speaker 2: got out of it. And it was like, whoa, this
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  Speaker 2: does happen. And obviously, like I said, you've experienced it.
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  Speaker 2: So it's really great. You've got such good awareness. And
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  Speaker 2: I think you're going to be able to teach your
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  Speaker 2: girls so much that a lot of moms probably wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be able to teach because they haven't been through what
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  Speaker 2: you've been through.
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  Speaker 1: And I think as well, the fact that you even
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  Speaker 1: have this level of self-awareness that you don't want to
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  Speaker 1: impact them just tells me everything I need to know
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  Speaker 1: about what a great mother that you are and what
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  Speaker 1: you're going to be moving forward. And like, again, even
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  Speaker 1: if there is a little bit of a crossover, like
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be your journey to work through
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  Speaker 1: and like just getting that support that you can.
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  Speaker 2: The Apple tracking devices. I don't know if as a
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  Speaker 2: mom that would make you feel better. You can put
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  Speaker 2: it in the shoes, in the school bag.
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  Speaker 1: Bags.
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  Speaker 2: I remember one of my girlfriends when she went to Europe,
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  Speaker 2: she told me she was couch surfing. by herself.
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  Speaker 1: That's wild.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, absolutely fucking not.
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  Speaker 1: You're not.
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  Speaker 2: I offered to pay for her accommodation because I was like,
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  Speaker 2: you can't go couch surfing.
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  Speaker 1: That's not safe.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, what do you mean I can't? And she
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  Speaker 2: did it. And I just remember freaking out. She told
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  Speaker 2: me this one story when she went to Italy and
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  Speaker 2: it was like this windy road where no houses were
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  Speaker 2: and there was one house at the top of the
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  Speaker 2: hill that she was going to couch surf on. And
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  Speaker 2: she went there. I'm like, babe, no, like this is
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  Speaker 2: stressing the fuck out. And I got her to send
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  Speaker 2: me her location, like check in with me as much
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  Speaker 2: as she could. And she was fine, thank goodness. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, no, That is not safe.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even walk at night by myself. No. Or
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  Speaker 1: too early in the morning if it's too dark. I'm like, mm-mm.
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  Speaker 2: No. Which is, yeah, so I think your mom's done
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: a really good job of that. I don't remember my
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: mom having conversations with me about that, but I'm like
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: your mom. I watch a lot of crime. I like
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: to know if I'm ever in this situation, what can
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: I do? What can I do?
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: What are my options?
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: I like to be very aware of that. So that's
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: why I would love to have you on the podcast
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: because I would love to learn from you as well.
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: And I think so many other people could learn from
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: your experience. But it's really great that you've had the
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: support and you're super self-aware. And I think you sound
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: like an incredible mum to do a really good job.
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: So be kind to yourself.
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: So proud of you for getting this far and sending
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: you so much love for all of it.
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: So much love.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: We'd love to hear from you. Definitely. All right, lovely.
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: I hope this has been helpful. And thank you for
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: bringing it in with such vulnerability. We appreciate you.
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: All right. We'll see you girls next time.