Latest / Wits & Weights | Strength & Fat Loss Over 40 / Why Building Muscle Beats Weight Loss for Body Recomposition After 40 | Ep 418
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- 0:01Philip Pape: When you focus on losing weight, you get smaller.
- 0:04Philip Pape: When you focus on building muscle, you get better.
- 0:06Philip Pape: Most people chase the scale.
- 0:09Philip Pape: They cut calories, they add cardio, and they try to watch that number drop.
- 0:13Philip Pape: But then six months later, they're frustrated because they still don't look like they lived.
- 0:18Philip Pape: And their metabolism is worse than when they started.
- 0:21Philip Pape: Building muscle completely changes the math.
- 0:24Philip Pape: It improves how you partition nutrients, how much you can eat, how easily you lose fat, and how good you look at any weight.
- 0:31Philip Pape: Today I'm breaking down why muscle is the primary driver of body recomp.
- 0:36Philip Pape: Not despite weight, but regardless of it.
- 0:39Philip Pape: You'll learn what actually changes your body composition, why weight loss can backfire, and the exact path to follow if you want to transform how you look and feel.
- 0:49Philip Pape: Yet, many of you, most people, obsess over that number, that scale number, like it's the only thing that matters.
- 1:33Philip Pape: I'm gonna show you today why building muscle is far more valuable than losing weight for body recomp, for health, for longevity, for metabolism, not because muscle magically melts fat, it doesn't, but because muscle changes every equation in your favor to make all the other stuff so much easier.
- 1:53Philip Pape: So if you've been frustrated that all this hard work in the gym, in the kitchen isn't showing in your physique, this episode will help you reframe all of it and stick around to the end, where I'm gonna share one daily habit that accelerates muscle growth without any additional training.
- 2:10Philip Pape: And it has nothing to do with supplements or meal timing or any of that.
- 2:15Philip Pape: And it even surprised me when I first discovered it.
- 2:18Philip Pape: All right, let's start with the obvious problem.
- 2:20Philip Pape: The scale measures total body mass.
- 2:23Philip Pape: That's it.
- 2:24Philip Pape: It is the pull of Earth's gravity on your body.
- 2:27Philip Pape: It doesn't distinguish what's inside your fat, your muscle, your water, your glycogen, your bone, all of that.
- 2:33Philip Pape: When you lose 10 pounds, the scale said you lost 10 pounds.
- 2:37Philip Pape: But if five of those pounds were muscle, you just made your body composition far worse, not better.
- 2:45Philip Pape: Now, most traditional weight loss advice ignores this in the interest of admittedly selling a program or selling quick results or selling what the industry has sold for many years, and that thin is somehow better.
- 2:58Philip Pape: And the typical advice is simplified in its finest is eat less, move more, create a calorie deficit, just be consistent, all the platitudes we hear all the time.
- 3:08Philip Pape: Now, none of that tells you what you're actually losing.
- 3:11Philip Pape: Okay.
- 3:12Philip Pape: Yeah, you're losing weight on the scale, but in chasing weight loss alone and getting smaller, you won't necessarily get leaner.
- 3:20Philip Pape: You won't necessarily get stronger.
- 3:22Philip Pape: You're definitely not necessarily getting healthier.
- 3:25Philip Pape: Now, the little caveat to that is if you have a lot of weight to lose and the excess body fat or body weight in general is putting you in a state of poor health, almost any form of weight loss is going to be a net positive from where you're at.
- 3:38Philip Pape: But it's still even better to focus on doing that while building muscle.
- 3:43Philip Pape: Research shows that up to 30 to 60%.
- 3:46Philip Pape: It's a big range.
- 3:48Philip Pape: You know, I you can cherry pick studies to find all these numbers, but even as little as 25 or 30% of your weight loss on a typical diet is lean mass, muscle.
- 4:00Philip Pape: That's not great.
- 4:01Philip Pape: Like that's not what we're trying to do.
- 4:03Philip Pape: Especially we see this in older populations, you know, women and men over 40, anyone under-eating protein, anyone for sure who is skipping resistance training.
- 4:11Philip Pape: In fact, that is the biggest reason this happens.
- 4:13Philip Pape: And we see this a lot today on the GLP1 medications when it comes to the whole muscle loss argument.
- 4:19Philip Pape: They don't cause the muscle loss, but they cause rapid dieting in people who are not resistance training, which leads to muscle loss.
- 4:25Philip Pape: And when you lose muscle, why do I care about this?
- 4:28Philip Pape: Why do I talk about this on the show so much?
- 4:30Philip Pape: Why are there arguments between muscle and fat?
- 4:32Philip Pape: I don't think they're mutually exclusive or muscle and weight loss.
- 4:36Philip Pape: I think they both can happen and help each other.
- 4:38Philip Pape: But what happens when you lose muscle?
- 4:40Philip Pape: It's not good.
- 4:42Philip Pape: First, you know, your metabolism is going to be lower.
- 4:44Philip Pape: You're going to have poor metabolic health, not just from the calorie deficit, but because you are losing this very expensive, we call it metabolically active tissue.
- 4:53Philip Pape: Muscle requires a lot of energy to maintain.
- 4:56Philip Pape: If our body had its druthers, it wouldn't try to keep muscle because it costs so much and you're trying to survive.
- 5:03Philip Pape: You're trying to store energy.
- 5:04Philip Pape: You're trying to store fat.
- 5:05Philip Pape: Your body would much rather you sit on the couch and just store fat and live for another day in terms of uh not starving, but it's definitely not the same as living a good life and thriving.
- 5:15Philip Pape: So less muscle simply means a lower daily energy expenditure, you're burning fewer calories, and of course, you know down the line how this can make other things harder.
- 5:24Philip Pape: The second thing that happens when you lose muscle is of course your strength drops.
- 5:28Philip Pape: Now, this sounds, I guess, contradictory in the sense that building muscle requires building strength.
- 5:33Philip Pape: Building strength builds muscle.
- 5:35Philip Pape: So obviously, when you lose muscle, you lose strength.
- 5:38Philip Pape: And conversely, if you drop strength because you're not training, you're gonna lose muscle.
- 5:42Philip Pape: Anyway, the point is this affects everything in your life.
- 5:45Philip Pape: It affects not only how you train, but even if you don't care about training, which we should have a talk, it's how you move through your life.
- 5:52Philip Pape: You become weaker, you become less capable, you become more fragile.
- 5:56Philip Pape: And you know what?
- 5:56Philip Pape: Other people now, you have to depend now on other people.
- 5:59Philip Pape: Do you want that?
- 6:00Philip Pape: Especially as we get older.
- 6:01Philip Pape: I'm not talking about 25-year-olds.
- 6:03Philip Pape: Okay, if you're a little bit less strong or more strong at 25, it's probably not gonna make as big a difference.
- 6:07Philip Pape: But when you're 60, 70, 80, that becomes a massive quality of life concern, a health span concern.
- 6:15Philip Pape: And that's so, so critical today when we look at what happens with a decline into age, with age-related disease, with, you know, assisted living and frailty and all of that stuff, right?
- 6:28Philip Pape: You just become weaker and more fragile, which is definitely not what you want.
- 6:31Philip Pape: And then the third thing that happens when you lose muscle is your insulin sensitivity worsens.
- 6:36Philip Pape: And I wanted to point this out specifically because muscle is where your body stores glucose.
- 6:42Philip Pape: Muscle loves carbs.
- 6:44Philip Pape: This is why we talk about the value of eating carbs on this show versus the narrative out there of about low carb and losing weight and all that.
- 6:52Philip Pape: Muscles love carbs.
- 6:53Philip Pape: When you lose muscle, you lose that carbohydrate storage capacity.
- 6:57Philip Pape: And then what happens?
- 6:57Philip Pape: Well, that means more of that glucose from the carb stays in your bloodstream or gets stored as fat, which is why we have to distinguish hey, are you sedentary and not lifting?
- 7:06Philip Pape: In which case, eating a lot of carbs is not going to help you, or are you lifting weights?
- 7:11Philip Pape: Uh, in which case it's fantastic, and it improves your insulin sensitivity, which improves your metabolic health as well, inflammation, all of that.
- 7:19Philip Pape: So the question is not, how do I lose weight?
- 7:22Philip Pape: The correct question is, how do I change my body composition?
- 7:27Philip Pape: All right, that's really what we're trying to do.
- 7:29Philip Pape: Now, there are deeper reasons we're doing this.
- 7:31Philip Pape: We're not addressing here.
- 7:32Philip Pape: That goes to mindset and identity, and maybe I'll touch on it here and there.
- 7:36Philip Pape: But at the end of it, you know, when we think mechanistically, are we trying to lose weight?
- 7:40Philip Pape: No, we're trying to improve our body composition because of the other things we just mentioned, especially metabolic health and longevity, which a lot of people are get surprised about when we talk about muscle because they're thinking bodybuilding and strength and lifting.
- 7:54Philip Pape: They're not thinking the wonderful health results that that gets you, plus the food side, right?
- 7:59Philip Pape: What it allows you to eat in terms of flexibility and enjoyment in life, personally.
- 8:04Philip Pape: So, weight loss, here's the thing.
- 8:07Philip Pape: So they're not mutually exclusive.
- 8:09Philip Pape: Weight loss can improve your body composition, but it can also destroy it depending on if you are also losing muscle.
- 8:15Philip Pape: Muscle gain always improves your body composition, just period.
- 8:20Philip Pape: So that's the first, I guess, insight may or may not be surprising you, but it's it's interesting to think about that way in that weight loss is neutral at best, because even if you are training, you're lifting weights, you're eating protein and holding on to your muscle while you lose weight so that it's fat loss, that's beneficial.
- 8:41Philip Pape: That is beneficial.
- 8:42Philip Pape: I'm not gonna say it's not, but it's I'll say neutrally beneficial because it's the best you can do in either direction until you add more muscle.
- 8:49Philip Pape: Whereas gaining muscle is a net positive by definition.
- 8:53Philip Pape: In other words, it shifts the whole equation up.
- 8:56Philip Pape: So let's get into some of the details related to the power of muscle here.
- 9:00Philip Pape: Most people think muscle boosts metabolism.
- 9:03Philip Pape: I hear it all the time.
- 9:03Philip Pape: I know coaches talk about it on social media.
- 9:05Philip Pape: They're like, yeah, you build more muscle and you burn more calories.
- 9:08Philip Pape: Now that's technically true that muscle tissue burns a little bit more at rest than fat.
- 9:15Philip Pape: It burns about six to nine calories per pound per day compared to like two for fat.
- 9:20Philip Pape: So usually I tell people, okay, assume an extra five calories per pound of muscle, upwards of maybe 10 at the most, but let's say five.
- 9:28Philip Pape: So if you add 10 pounds of muscle, you're burning an extra 50 to 100 calories a day.
- 9:32Philip Pape: It's not nothing, but it's not the sole reason we do this at all.
- 9:36Philip Pape: It's also not the real story, however, because I did an entire episode of this in the past that you do technically burn a lot more calories when you build more muscle beyond just the resting calorie burn from the tissue.
- 9:49Philip Pape: The real metabolic benefit is what muscle does as a cascade into your entire metabolic system.
- 9:57Philip Pape: This is what makes it really powerful, why I love it so much.
- 10:00Philip Pape: First, muscle increases your carbohydrate storage capacity.
- 10:03Philip Pape: We've already mentioned this.
- 10:04Philip Pape: Every pound of muscle you add gives you more glycogen storage, which means less glucose floating around in your blood or getting shuttled into fat cells.
- 10:14Philip Pape: Second, muscle improves insulin sensitivity.
- 10:16Philip Pape: Also, something that I've mentioned.
- 10:18Philip Pape: When your muscles are active, when they're growing, they pull that glucose out of your bloodstream more efficiently.
- 10:24Philip Pape: That lowers your blood sugar, that reduces your insulin spikes.
- 10:28Philip Pape: Now, I don't have any problem with blood sugar spikes.
- 10:30Philip Pape: Those are natural when you eat carbs, for example, but it levels everything out more.
- 10:35Philip Pape: And then along with a good balanced diet with plenty of fiber and protein, it just makes fat loss easier.
- 10:40Philip Pape: It reduces energy, crashes, it makes you not have to worry at all about your blood sugars.
- 10:44Philip Pape: You shouldn't have to use a continuous glucose monitor at all.
- 10:47Philip Pape: Okay.
- 10:47Philip Pape: None of my clients do.
- 10:48Philip Pape: I don't.
- 10:49Philip Pape: You don't need to if you're lifting weights, if you're living a healthy lifestyle.
- 10:52Philip Pape: And I'm not talking about the diabetic population, totally different situation.
- 10:56Philip Pape: Third, and this is an interesting one, okay?
- 10:59Philip Pape: The act of building and having muscle increases your nutrient partitioning.
- 11:04Philip Pape: Now, this is just a fancy phrase.
- 11:06Philip Pape: We like to throw around these phrases of saying that your body preferentially sends those nutrients that you consume toward muscle growth instead of fat storage.
- 11:16Philip Pape: And the more muscle you have, it feeds into this process.
- 11:19Philip Pape: The more likely the calories you eat are used to build and repair tissue rather than get stored as fat.
- 11:26Philip Pape: And again, stick around to the end because I have an extra tip that is going to accelerate this process massively in a surprising way that you might not realize.
- 11:37Philip Pape: Just stick around.
- 11:38Philip Pape: It's pretty exciting.
- 11:39Philip Pape: All right.
- 11:40Philip Pape: Fourth, muscle allows for higher training volume.
- 11:43Philip Pape: So again, this is an upward spiral.
- 11:46Philip Pape: The more muscle you have, the stronger you have, the more weight you can lift, and the harder you can push in the gym and the more volume and can lift.
- 11:52Philip Pape: And it feeds on itself because obviously you need more volume and you need more stimulus to build the muscle, but you also can do more with the muscle.
- 12:01Philip Pape: It also means you recover better, you tolerate more work.
- 12:04Philip Pape: We call that work capacity.
- 12:05Philip Pape: It's kind of like a form of cardiovascular health from your lifting and your muscle.
- 12:10Philip Pape: You know, people who have more muscle tend to be just more athletic in general, even if they're not endurance athletes, and they can go longer sessions in the gym.
- 12:19Philip Pape: And that means more calories burned as well through training over time.
- 12:22Philip Pape: So it all feeds on itself.
- 12:24Philip Pape: All right.
- 12:24Philip Pape: The fifth thing here about muscle as a powerhouse is it supports your daily movement.
- 12:30Philip Pape: When you're stronger, you tend to move more.
- 12:32Philip Pape: You tend to want to move more, you have more energy.
- 12:34Philip Pape: You take the stairs and see the elevator.
- 12:36Philip Pape: Sometimes you even want to show off, right?
- 12:37Philip Pape: You're strong.
- 12:38Philip Pape: So you're going to help carry the groceries or you're going to lift the water bottles.
- 12:41Philip Pape: You know, I've had 65-year-old female clients who tell me stories about, you know, men in their lives who she offered to carry the big thing of water bottles for them.
- 12:50Philip Pape: Oh, don't do that.
- 12:51Philip Pape: It's too heavy.
- 12:51Philip Pape: She's like, What are you talking about?
- 12:52Philip Pape: I can lift more than you.
- 12:53Philip Pape: Okay.
- 12:54Philip Pape: You know, you carry all your grocery bags in one trip, you know, with all the fingers.
- 12:58Philip Pape: You know what I'm saying?
- 12:59Philip Pape: Like two bags per finger kind of deal.
- 13:01Philip Pape: You can play with your kids or grandkids without getting exhausted.
- 13:03Philip Pape: Like these are lifestyle things.
- 13:05Philip Pape: These are functional things.
- 13:06Philip Pape: Okay.
- 13:07Philip Pape: Having more muscle and training, it increases your knee in general.
- 13:11Philip Pape: In fact, just the training sessions alone are like a form of steps you're getting that other people aren't getting.
- 13:16Philip Pape: And that burns more calories every day as well.
- 13:18Philip Pape: Okay.
- 13:19Philip Pape: So if you add it all together, muscle doesn't just burn a few extra calories of rest.
- 13:24Philip Pape: It transforms how your metabolism functions, really, your whole identity.
- 13:28Philip Pape: It makes you more athletic.
- 13:30Philip Pape: And this is why people with more muscle can eat more food, they can stay leaner, they have better health markers, even at the same body weight as someone with less muscle.
- 13:40Philip Pape: And that's really important.
- 13:41Philip Pape: I've had clients who have a lot of muscle and they're technically overweight, and they might actually have a decent amount of body fat that they really need to lose for other reasons.
- 13:49Philip Pape: And they might even be kind of sedentary other than their lifting sessions.
- 13:52Philip Pape: But because they have all that muscle, all their blood markers are better than another person at that same weight just because of the muscle.
- 13:59Philip Pape: And that's why I think it has a net positive and shifts the whole equation up.
- 14:03Philip Pape: And then body fat is just this extra thing that you may or may not need to shift to put you into the best health of all.
- 14:11Philip Pape: All right.
- 14:12Philip Pape: So now let's talk about what happens when you chase weight loss without prioritizing muscle.
- 14:18Philip Pape: Now, hopefully, if you're listening to this podcast, you understand the value of resistance training.
- 14:22Philip Pape: Although I have seen people come into our Facebook group recently or like, I'm having issues with XYZ.
- 14:28Philip Pape: I'm trying to eat more nutrients, I'm trying to eat more fiber.
- 14:31Philip Pape: What do I do?
- 14:31Philip Pape: I'm like, are you lifting weights?
- 14:33Philip Pape: Are you resistance training?
- 14:34Philip Pape: No, no, I'm not.
- 14:35Philip Pape: Like, okay, let's put that in there and you're gonna see everything else shift for the better.
- 14:41Philip Pape: If you don't do it, if you don't resistance training, and sometimes I say lift weights and resistance training as interchangeably, as interchangeable, I really mean resistance training, putting mechanical tension or resistance on your skeletal and muscular system.
- 14:56Philip Pape: But for many people to do that beyond a few weeks and months means getting some sort of weights or machines involved to get the loads needed to keep progressing.
- 15:05Philip Pape: Even if you're 80 years old, you're still gonna have to get some light dumbbells or something at some point to start progressing.
- 15:11Philip Pape: If you don't, what happens?
- 15:13Philip Pape: Well, you're gonna end up smaller, softer, weaker, hungrier, metabolically compromised, you're gonna have less energy, you're gonna have fewer food choices, and you're going to have a lower quality of life.
- 15:23Philip Pape: How can I paint the picture any clearer?
- 15:25Philip Pape: Like the issues we have today with obesity, which come from overconsumption of food, are only compounded by the lack of muscle.
- 15:34Philip Pape: And when someone starts to prioritize muscle, it accelerates the process of losing that fat and getting better metabolic health, as I've mentioned multiple times on this episode.
- 15:44Philip Pape: But even just the idea of losing a bunch of weight on GLP ones and not lifting weights, or just going on an aggressive diet and doing, you know, carnivore or a vegan diet or keto or whatever, low carb, and then you drop a bunch of weight, you drop 20, 30, 40 pounds, but you're not lifting weights, you're gonna fall into this skinny fat trap.
- 16:03Philip Pape: You may not like the term skinny fat, but you know what I mean.
- 16:06Philip Pape: You lose weight, the scale drops, everyone congratulates you.
- 16:10Philip Pape: Maybe that's what you're looking for.
- 16:11Philip Pape: Maybe you congratulate yourself and you're proud of yourself, and that's great.
- 16:14Philip Pape: It's good to be proud of an accomplishment that you worked at.
- 16:16Philip Pape: But when you look in the mirror, you don't see what you want.
- 16:19Philip Pape: You don't see muscle definition, you see loose skin, you see a soft, flabby midsection, you see flat shoulders, you see weak arms, you feel terrible, you're tired all the time.
- 16:28Philip Pape: If this is triggering you, then good.
- 16:31Philip Pape: Because I want to be there with you in the idea that, you know, we need to kick ourselves in the pan sometimes and take advantage of that self-love we have for ourselves to think about the long term and our metabolic health and our function for the rest of our life.
- 16:48Philip Pape: And so these are symptoms that you're not doing that, right?
- 16:50Philip Pape: Maybe you're cold, you're irritable, your workouts suck, you can't recover, you're constantly hungry, and you're stuck and feel like you're gonna make it worse because if you eat more, you're gonna gain fat right away because you know your metabolism's kind of suppressed and you don't have muscle and you're not lifting.
- 17:06Philip Pape: If you keep dieting, though, you're gonna keep losing muscle and feel worse, and you're gonna have to diet on much lower calories.
- 17:11Philip Pape: All right.
- 17:12Philip Pape: This is the cycle that I think most people experience with traditional weight loss.
- 17:15Philip Pape: Tell me if I'm not correct.
- 17:16Philip Pape: Like I would love somebody to reach out to me and say, no, you know what, I lost a bunch of weight and I didn't lift weights and it improved everything and I'm better for it.
- 17:24Philip Pape: Okay.
- 17:24Philip Pape: And again, I think there are corner cases where people had a lot of weight to lose, and losing the weight improved their health dramatically.
- 17:30Philip Pape: I'm not talking to those people.
- 17:31Philip Pape: I'm talking about once you've dealt with that and you're kind of in the area most of us float in where, yeah, I have 20 or 30 pounds to lose, maybe 40 pounds to lose.
- 17:39Philip Pape: That's where the muscle part of the equation is going to make a huge difference in and of itself.
- 17:44Philip Pape: Okay.
- 17:45Philip Pape: Now, why does this cycle happen with us?
- 17:47Philip Pape: Why does this happen in the world to so many people?
- 17:49Philip Pape: I think it's because weight loss encourages the exact behaviors that make fat loss harder later.
- 17:56Philip Pape: And that is low calories, sometimes low protein because you're not thinking about protein.
- 18:02Philip Pape: You're just trying to drop food out of your diet, no resistance training, lots of cardio.
- 18:07Philip Pape: Okay, that's going to make fat loss harder later for sure.
- 18:10Philip Pape: If that's a surprise to you, we can get into why.
- 18:12Philip Pape: You create a big energy deficit and your body adapts by lowering your metabolism.
- 18:17Philip Pape: It increases your hunger hormones, and it's going to start breaking down your muscle for energy.
- 18:22Philip Pape: It's got a couple of places to grab energy, your fat cells and your muscle.
- 18:26Philip Pape: Well, if you're not training, it doesn't need your muscle.
- 18:28Philip Pape: Beautiful, expensive tissue.
- 18:30Philip Pape: It can just, when I say break down, it's not like it like destroys your muscle.
- 18:34Philip Pape: It's just your muscle starts to get smaller and not rebuild.
- 18:38Philip Pape: And instead, that energy gets reserved for your body because you're in a deficit, right?
- 18:42Philip Pape: You lose weight, but you also lose that tissue that makes fat loss possible and sustainable.
- 18:48Philip Pape: You're not just losing fat, you're losing muscle.
- 18:50Philip Pape: The research on this is clear.
- 18:51Philip Pape: I've mentioned before the biggest loser study is an example of the extreme where contestants lost hundreds of pounds through extreme calorie restriction, through tons and tons of exercise.
- 19:01Philip Pape: It looked like torture.
- 19:03Philip Pape: But because they also lost so much lean mass, their metabolisms tanked hundreds and hundreds of calories.
- 19:10Philip Pape: And then years later, most had regained the weight, but their metabolisms were still suppressed because they lost a ton of muscle.
- 19:17Philip Pape: All right.
- 19:17Philip Pape: And because they had done it for so long.
- 19:19Philip Pape: There was another study that found people who diet without resistance training lose significant muscle mass, even in moderate deficits.
- 19:27Philip Pape: I often talk about 500 calories as a reasonable deficit below which you're not going to lose muscle, but that assumes your resistance training.
- 19:36Philip Pape: If you're not resistance training, you're still going to lose some muscle mass.
- 19:40Philip Pape: And then when you regain the weight, guess what happens?
- 19:42Philip Pape: You it becomes comes back mostly as fat or pretty much entirely as fat.
- 19:47Philip Pape: So if you lost 20 pounds and 10 of those are muscle, and you gained the 20 pounds back, all 20 pounds are fat.
- 19:53Philip Pape: You've just now lost 10 pounds of muscle.
- 19:55Philip Pape: And your body composition ends up worse than before you started.
- 19:58Philip Pape: This is why I don't.
- 19:59Philip Pape: Recommend aggressive weight loss, or there's a protocol I have for rapid fat loss, very specific terms, unless you're doing everything possible to preserve muscle.
- 20:12Philip Pape: High protein intake, you know, and it's high by the standards of average society, but it's not high by reasonable standards for what's necessary based on the evidence.
- 20:23Philip Pape: But high protein intake, progressive overload with your resistance training, right?
- 20:28Philip Pape: Training with good intensity so that you actually build muscle, plenty of recovery, keeping your deficit moderate.
- 20:35Philip Pape: If you're going to lose weight, lose it the right way.
- 20:37Philip Pape: Do it that way, right?
- 20:38Philip Pape: So you're then it's fat loss.
- 20:40Philip Pape: Otherwise, you're setting yourself up for failure.
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- 22:06Philip Pape: All right, let's get back to why building muscle beats weight loss for body recomp, because that's what we care about, right?
- 22:13Philip Pape: Not just weight loss.
- 22:14Philip Pape: So one of the biggest myths in fitness is that you can't build muscle and lose fat at the same time.
- 22:20Philip Pape: We call that body recomposition.
- 22:22Philip Pape: Or that building muscle makes you bulky, especially for the women.
- 22:25Philip Pape: Oh, well, I don't want to look like that.
- 22:29Philip Pape: I don't want to build muscle and look like that.
- 22:31Philip Pape: You're not going to.
- 22:31Philip Pape: I'm going to say that right now.
- 22:33Philip Pape: Or that focusing on muscle means you have to accept higher body fat.
- 22:37Philip Pape: Like you have to do these big surpluses.
- 22:39Philip Pape: But that's not true either.
- 22:41Philip Pape: All right.
- 22:41Philip Pape: So these are all myths that I like to burst on a regular basis or bust, whatever the word is.
- 22:46Philip Pape: Because building muscle makes fat loss exponentially easier.
- 22:51Philip Pape: Okay.
- 22:52Philip Pape: It doesn't make fat loss harder, it makes it easier.
- 22:55Philip Pape: And it's going to lead to the ability to do both more easily, the ability to get stronger and leaner, not bulky, and the ability to do it without necessarily going into a big surplus.
- 23:06Philip Pape: All right.
- 23:06Philip Pape: Here's why.
- 23:07Philip Pape: First, muscle increases your training capacity.
- 23:11Philip Pape: I alluded to this already, but when you're stronger, you can lift heavier weights, you can do more volume, you could push harder in your training sessions and your workouts.
- 23:19Philip Pape: That means more calories burn during training, and higher post-exercise energy expenditure, which is a phenomenon that a lot of you may be familiar with from some of the research on high-intensity interval training.
- 23:31Philip Pape: Well, you get the same thing when you're training hard with weights, which is awesome.
- 23:36Philip Pape: Okay.
- 23:37Philip Pape: But yeah, you can get it from sprinting and hit as well.
- 23:40Philip Pape: Second is that muscle improves recovery.
- 23:44Philip Pape: Okay, cool, right?
- 23:45Philip Pape: Like the training of the muscle is a stimulus that can create fatigue and you need to recover from it.
- 23:50Philip Pape: But as you build more muscle, you have more recoverability.
- 23:53Philip Pape: You have better nutrient delivery, faster tissue repair, greater resilience to training stress, in fact, to stress in general and mental stress, believe it or not.
- 24:03Philip Pape: You have uh a better uh mindset when it comes to attacking problems in life.
- 24:09Philip Pape: You know how to deal with hardship a little better, and this actually improves your sanity just a bit too, right?
- 24:14Philip Pape: And offset some of the other stress in our life.
- 24:17Philip Pape: And so you can train more frequently without over-training, the more the better you get at it.
- 24:22Philip Pape: Third is that muscle preserves your metabolism during fat loss, which is should be obvious, but a lot of people just don't realize this.
- 24:28Philip Pape: Or I shouldn't say it should be obvious.
- 24:30Philip Pape: Obviously, you're trying to preserve muscle during fat loss, but people don't realize that when you diet and don't have the muscle, your metabolic rate is probably dropping a little faster, not just from the calorie deficit, but because you're losing lean mass.
- 24:43Philip Pape: Whereas when you hold on to the muscle or you've built more muscle, you tend to have a higher metabolic rate during the fat loss phase relative to what it would have been, not to other people, but to your own baseline.
- 24:55Philip Pape: And I've seen this in my own life over the last five years.
- 24:57Philip Pape: Every time I've gone through a bulking cycle and built more muscle, it's been a little bit easier to do a dieting phase.
- 25:03Philip Pape: Is this universal?
- 25:05Philip Pape: I don't know that that's necessarily true, but on average, that is true.
- 25:08Philip Pape: The fourth thing here is that muscle makes it easier to stay consistent.
- 25:12Philip Pape: Why is that?
- 25:13Philip Pape: Well, when you're strong, when your training is progressing, you feel great, you have energy, you want to keep going, you're getting PRs.
- 25:20Philip Pape: These are mentally intrinsically rewarding.
- 25:23Philip Pape: Intrinsic motivation is so far more powerful than anything else, than willpower, discipline, whatever.
- 25:28Philip Pape: The word discipline maybe is the outcome of having this kind of motivation, but it's definitely different than willpower.
- 25:34Philip Pape: You don't need it.
- 25:35Philip Pape: You just need to get progress from your actions, and that will motivate you.
- 25:40Philip Pape: Fifth, muscle allows you to eat more food.
- 25:43Philip Pape: Come on, we love this.
- 25:44Philip Pape: I should have led with this one, guys.
- 25:45Philip Pape: You know, because of the metabolic benefits we discussed earlier, better insulin sensitivity, higher nutrient partitioning, greater training capacity.
- 25:52Philip Pape: You can maintain or lose fat generally on higher calories when you have more muscle, you eat more carbs, you just eat more food in general and more of the types of food you want to eat.
- 26:01Philip Pape: You know, very flexible diet.
- 26:02Philip Pape: So if I gave you a concrete example with numbers, you have two people and they both weigh 150 pounds.
- 26:09Philip Pape: Person A has 100 pounds of lean mass, and person B has 120 pounds of lean mass.
- 26:17Philip Pape: So person B has gained 20 more pounds of muscle through their training.
- 26:20Philip Pape: Person B, the person with more lean mass, can eat probably three to 500 calories more per day and maintain the same body fat percentage as person A because they have more muscle driving their metabolism.
- 26:32Philip Pape: And the fact that they have more lean mass at the same weight also means they have less fat mass, right?
- 26:37Philip Pape: So when both people decide to lose fat, person B can create a deficit on higher calories and can eat more.
- 26:43Philip Pape: Person A might have to drop further to see the same rate of fat loss.
- 26:47Philip Pape: And you tell me who's gonna be more successful long term.
- 26:50Philip Pape: So it just makes it easier, which is also why I have I have episodes coming up, or at least one episode coming up as we get to the new year about why I think building muscle first might be the way to go for a lot of you.
- 27:00Philip Pape: So stay tuned for that.
- 27:02Philip Pape: Make sure you're following the podcast to get that episode.
- 27:04Philip Pape: But who's gonna be more successful?
- 27:05Philip Pape: Who's gonna feel better during the process of fat loss itself?
- 27:08Philip Pape: And then who's gonna maintain the results after the diet ends?
- 27:12Philip Pape: I don't even have to say who it is, right?
- 27:15Philip Pape: So if you do want easier fat loss, for many of you, it is gonna be to build muscle first.
- 27:19Philip Pape: And uh remember, I've got a surprising daily habit for you at the end of this episode that is going to speed up muscle growth without any extra training.
- 27:28Philip Pape: All right, let's keep going.
- 27:29Philip Pape: I'm packing a lot into this episode.
- 27:31Philip Pape: I want to talk about body recomp specifically.
- 27:34Philip Pape: Body recomp is the process of simultaneously gaining muscle and losing fat.
- 27:40Philip Pape: It is what some would call the holy grail of physique development because you are improving body composition without changing scale weight.
- 27:48Philip Pape: And why that's a holy grail is because people say, okay, I don't need to diet, which nobody likes dieting, and I don't need to gain a bunch of weight that comes along with some fat.
- 27:56Philip Pape: I don't want to do that either.
- 27:58Philip Pape: I want the sweet spot in the middle.
- 28:00Philip Pape: Most people I think are doing it wrong though, okay?
- 28:02Philip Pape: They usually focus on losing fat and hope that the muscle follows when they're thinking body recomp.
- 28:10Philip Pape: They still have in the back of their mind, like, okay, but I want to lose fat as part of this process.
- 28:13Philip Pape: And I think that's backward.
- 28:14Philip Pape: I think effective recomp starts with biasing toward muscle building.
- 28:20Philip Pape: And, you know, as you're developing that muscle, the fat loss becomes a natural byproduct of all the things we just talked about: the training capacity, better metabolism, nutrient partitioning, muscle protein synthesis, all of that.
- 28:34Philip Pape: And the research does support this, where even trained lifters, even trained lifters, yes, can gain muscle at maintenance calories if they're eating enough protein and following progressive overload.
- 28:45Philip Pape: And we know this because there are some very jacked, very strong people out there who are big proponents of not having to go into big surpluses.
- 28:53Philip Pape: Okay.
- 28:53Philip Pape: There is a certain level of surplus that will speed up the process.
- 28:57Philip Pape: But if you're looking for a fairly quick process without the extra fat gain, body recomp is totally possible, but it has to be biased toward building muscle, which means biased toward maintenance or slightly above maintenance rather than a slight deficit.
- 29:12Philip Pape: Some people will argue with me.
- 29:13Philip Pape: Some people say, look, if your goal is really to lose fat and body body recomp is the side effect, then you focus on fat loss.
- 29:20Philip Pape: True, true.
- 29:20Philip Pape: But if your goal is body recomp itself, including the muscle gain and you want to ensure muscle gain, I think you need those resources coming in.
- 29:28Philip Pape: You don't need a big surplus.
- 29:30Philip Pape: You, especially if you're beginners, uh a beginner or you're detrained, you're gonna respond really well to that stimulus from the training.
- 29:37Philip Pape: And then if you are more of an advanced trainee, it's just a matter of making sure you've got enough of that fuel coming in, you know, at least maintenance or very slight surplus, which is what I call aggressive maintenance.
- 29:49Philip Pape: Some people call it lean gaining, but I'm talking about very slight, like 50 to 100 calories at most, maximum, over your current maintenance, where you're not trying to bulk, you're not trying to cut, you're optimizing for, we'll say the highest quality muscle gain with the lowest possible fat gain within that time span so that you don't need to cut off the fat.
- 30:10Philip Pape: If you want faster muscle gain, yeah, ramp up that surplus a bit more, get a little fat for the ride, and then cut it off later.
- 30:17Philip Pape: But not everybody wants to do that.
- 30:18Philip Pape: So the key variables with all of this, kind of to tie it in a bow, are going to be that high protein intake, 0.7 to 1 grams per pound of body weight, progressive resistance training, right?
- 30:29Philip Pape: Focused on the big compound movements and progressing in weight reps and/or sets over time, adequate recovery, sleep stress management, deloads if you need them, listening to your body and your fatigue, calorie intake that is at or slightly above maintenance, enough to fuel training and recovery, but not so much that you are gonna have excess fat gain.
- 30:52Philip Pape: And that is gonna be the sweet spot for body composition, even when the scale doesn't move.
- 30:57Philip Pape: And maybe the scale drifts up slightly, but it's gonna be so slow it shouldn't matter.
- 31:00Philip Pape: And it's probably coming because you're gaining muscle.
- 31:03Philip Pape: What you should see is that you lose inches around your waist, your clothes fit better.
- 31:07Philip Pape: You see muscle definition, you feel stronger, you feel more capable.
- 31:10Philip Pape: And then six months later, because this doesn't happen overnight, six months is not that long, guys, with the years and years you've been spinning your wheels.
- 31:18Philip Pape: When someone asks you if you lost weight, you can say, Hey, you know what?
- 31:21Philip Pape: I didn't.
- 31:21Philip Pape: I built muscle and I got leaner, right?
- 31:24Philip Pape: That's that's kind of a cool thing to be able to say.
- 31:26Philip Pape: Like, I don't want to.
- 31:27Philip Pape: People might see it as you lost weight because you look better.
- 31:30Philip Pape: And that's what people are expecting, but that's not really what happened, right?
- 31:34Philip Pape: You actually built muscle, you got leaner.
- 31:36Philip Pape: Um, and that's what body recomp is.
- 31:38Philip Pape: So, what should you actually do if you want to prioritize muscle for body recomp?
- 31:44Philip Pape: Number one, we mentioned protein.
- 31:47Philip Pape: I would achieve this by prioritizing protein in every meal.
- 31:51Philip Pape: If you can have protein in every meal, that's gonna be a great start because many of you aren't even doing that.
- 31:55Philip Pape: And if you're eating three, four, maybe five times a day, probably three or four, then it's gonna be a great start to getting the muscle or getting the protein that you need.
- 32:03Philip Pape: The second thing is related to your training program.
- 32:05Philip Pape: I'm gonna suggest that three days a week is plenty for a beginner.
- 32:08Philip Pape: For those of you who are a little bit more advanced, four days is usually plenty as well.
- 32:12Philip Pape: A lot of you like to train five days, that's fine.
- 32:14Philip Pape: But getting your squats, your deads, your presses, maybe some form uh uh, you know, some back movements in there for sure, forms of rows, pull-ups.
- 32:22Philip Pape: I don't care if you use barbells.
- 32:24Philip Pape: Machines are fine too.
- 32:25Philip Pape: You know, I love barbells, of course, because of the progressive objective nature of them, but machines can be very effective as well.
- 32:31Philip Pape: As long as you're tracking and aiming to add weight or reps every week.
- 32:34Philip Pape: And again, my app, Fitness Lab, can help you do that.
- 32:37Philip Pape: It can write you a program or it can help assess your current program.
- 32:40Philip Pape: Step three is about the eating side of it.
- 32:43Philip Pape: You know, if you're new to training or you're carrying extra body fat, you can eat it maintenance and still build muscle while losing fat, as I mentioned.
- 32:50Philip Pape: Um, tracking your food, weighing and measuring your food, identifying how many calories you're actually eating and comparing that to your weight is gonna give you a good idea.
- 32:57Philip Pape: Are you roughly where you need to be?
- 32:59Philip Pape: Or are you actually losing weight?
- 33:00Philip Pape: You don't want to be, because that means you're not resourced enough to build the muscle, and we need to bring those calories up, you know, or do you want to make it where you go into a very slight surplus and really um ramp up that muscle growth without the fat gain?
- 33:13Philip Pape: And then, of course, recovery.
- 33:15Philip Pape: I mean, we we we can't emphasize enough the power of sleep, of having sufficient sleep, of managing your stress, of managing your fatigue.
- 33:25Philip Pape: If your low back is constantly fatigued from your lifting, you've got to look at something.
- 33:29Philip Pape: It could be your form, it could be your recovery, it could be your food.
- 33:32Philip Pape: We don't want to add to that fatigue.
- 33:33Philip Pape: We want to manage it well.
- 33:35Philip Pape: And of course, you're gonna track all the right things when it comes to body comp, not just your scale weight.
- 33:40Philip Pape: So measurements, photos, strength progression, how your clothes fit, and biofeedback as well.
- 33:46Philip Pape: And ultimately, you just want to be patient and strategic about this.
- 33:50Philip Pape: Okay.
- 33:50Philip Pape: Building muscle takes time.
- 33:52Philip Pape: I usually suggest something like six to nine months of building, where if you're gaining a half to a pound of muscle per month, you're probably doing great.
- 34:00Philip Pape: I know a lot of you are like, I'm gonna gain 10 pounds in the next six months.
- 34:03Philip Pape: As a beginner, maybe over a year, you know, six to 12 pounds of muscle is totally reasonable.
- 34:08Philip Pape: You know, men and women, obviously, men can probably gain more absolute uh quantities of muscle because of their weight, but men and women can gain muscle at the same rate, percentage-wise.
- 34:19Philip Pape: Just keep that in mind.
- 34:20Philip Pape: So if you're a large larger woman, I don't mean large, like big or heavy, I just mean scale weight-wise, you know, let's say you're 160-pound woman versus 120-pound woman, um, you're gonna gain the same rate of muscle as 160-pound man.
- 34:33Philip Pape: That's my point.
- 34:33Philip Pape: Okay.
- 34:34Philip Pape: And that's gonna completely transform your physique.
- 34:37Philip Pape: And then, you know, being strategic about all of this and planning it out is gonna really serve you well.
- 34:42Philip Pape: Listening to this podcast, you'll get a lot of tips on how to do that.
- 34:45Philip Pape: All right.
- 34:46Philip Pape: So we talked a lot about physique and performance, but let's just take a quick pit stop here to talk about health and longevity, because muscle mass is one of the strongest predictors of long-term health outcomes.
- 35:00Philip Pape: Sarcopenia, which is the loss of muscle mass and muscle function with age, is a stronger predictor of mortality than obesity.
- 35:11Philip Pape: People with higher muscle mass have lower risk of cardiovascular disease, have better glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity, they have stronger bones and lower risk of osteoporosis, greater functional independence as we get older, what we talked about before, lower risk of falls, fractures, frailty, one of the leading causes of death, not proximal causes, but it, or what's the word I'm looking for?
- 35:36Philip Pape: It leads to the chain of hospitalization and polypharmacy that ultimately leads in death for many.
- 35:43Philip Pape: It's sad to say, but it's true.
- 35:45Philip Pape: And of course, having more muscle is better recovery as well from illness and injury.
- 35:49Philip Pape: You know, people who are stronger tend to get through sickness faster.
- 35:52Philip Pape: You know, they can recover faster from injuries, recover faster from surgeries.
- 35:55Philip Pape: So muscle is like that metabolic retirement plan.
- 35:58Philip Pape: I think I've used this analogy before.
- 36:00Philip Pape: You know, it's it's like those deposits in the bank that compound over time.
- 36:03Philip Pape: So it's never too late to start.
- 36:05Philip Pape: Start right now.
- 36:06Philip Pape: You're not just going to improve how you look.
- 36:07Philip Pape: I know a lot of you want to chase that, but really you're setting yourself up for decades of better health, more independence, better quality of life.
- 36:15Philip Pape: Especially important for those of us who are already over 40.
- 36:17Philip Pape: I'm I'm 45.
- 36:18Philip Pape: I started doing this properly, properly as in lifting weights, eating in a flexible way to support my health and training when I was 40, like around turning.
- 36:29Philip Pape: I was 39 going on 40.
- 36:30Philip Pape: So if you're over 40, and if you build your muscle now in your 40s, your 50s, your 60s, wherever you are, you're gonna create that massive buffer against age-related decline that everyone else experiences.
- 36:41Philip Pape: You're gonna be in the elite small percentage of people who others will not have to, or who you who will not have to depend on others when you get when you're 70 years old.
- 36:51Philip Pape: You know, maybe when you're 95 or 100, you have to depend on some people for a few things, but you're gonna be among the small percentage with who turn it around, who start to build the muscle back, who avoid the muscle loss, who is going to make the fat loss easier if that's what you want.
- 37:06Philip Pape: And you're gonna be far off than your peers at that age.
- 37:10Philip Pape: And that's where we want to be.
- 37:11Philip Pape: That's why I'm so passionate about this topic.
- 37:13Philip Pape: I see it with parents and grandparents.
- 37:15Philip Pape: I see it with others who are in the older population, the decline happening with those over here versus those who get into lifting weights and resistance training, even when they're already 70 and they've never done it before, and all of a sudden things start to turn around.
- 37:27Philip Pape: It's it's a beautiful thing to see because muscle's not just about aesthetics, is it?
- 37:31Philip Pape: Right?
- 37:31Philip Pape: It's living that strong, capable, independent life for as long as possible.
- 37:36Philip Pape: So here's what we've covered today the scale doesn't measure what matters.
- 37:40Philip Pape: Muscle drives your metabolism.
- 37:42Philip Pape: Weight loss without muscle is going to backfire, and building muscle makes fat loss exponentially easier.
- 37:47Philip Pape: If you take nothing else from this episode, remember this stop chasing weight loss and start building muscle.
- 37:54Philip Pape: That is a foundation everything else builds from.
- 37:56Philip Pape: Now, before we wrap up, here's the strategy I promised earlier the daily habit that accelerates muscle growth without adding anything else to your training.
- 38:06Philip Pape: Before I do, let me tell you about something that can help you implement everything we just discussed.
- 38:11Philip Pape: If you're ready to build muscle the right way, if you want personalized coaching that adapts to your schedule, your preferences, and your goals, but without the price of hiring a coach, check out Fitness Lab.
- 38:21Philip Pape: It's my AI-powered coaching app.
- 38:23Philip Pape: It gives you workout guidance.
- 38:25Philip Pape: It can actually write your program for you and adjust based on your biofeedback, insight on your nutrition, feedback on your meals, recovery strategies, movement, sleep, all of it, all through a conversational interface that is really smart, that learns from you and it gets smarter over time.
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- 38:55Philip Pape: All right.
- 38:55Philip Pape: Here is that muscle building accelerator I promised.
- 38:58Philip Pape: Wanna know one of the fastest ways to speed up muscle growth?
- 39:03Philip Pape: Add 30 minutes of walking per day.
- 39:06Philip Pape: Walking doesn't build muscle directly, obviously, but it enhances recovery, which is where muscle growth happens.
- 39:14Philip Pape: Daily walking increases blood flow to your muscles, it clears metabolic waste products, it reduces your cortisol levels, it improves sleep quality.
- 39:23Philip Pape: All of these factors amplify your body's response to training.
- 39:27Philip Pape: Studies show that people who walk eight to 10,000 steps a day build muscle faster than those who don't, even with identical training programs.
- 39:36Philip Pape: The best part is that walking does not interfere with recovery the way that some higher intense forms of cardio do.
- 39:44Philip Pape: It is low impact, it's low stress, and it actually speeds up the repair process.
- 39:50Philip Pape: So my recommendation is to add a 30 minute walk after lunch or dinner.
- 39:55Philip Pape: It will aid you in your digestion, it's going to lower your cortisol, it's going to improve your blood.
- 39:59Philip Pape: Sugars, it's gonna improve your sleep onset if done after dinner, and it will set you up for better recovery overnight.
- 40:05Philip Pape: So I started walking a lot more back in 2021 after I had back surgery, and I noticed how much it helped with my strength training and my recovery and my overall movement.
- 40:15Philip Pape: It also made fat loss easier and eating easier because it improved, increased my expenditure without changing anything else.
- 40:21Philip Pape: It helped my joints feel better, it helped my sleep, and of course, it improved body composition.
- 40:26Philip Pape: So if you're training really hard but not recovering as well as you'd like, and your steps aren't up there, or you're not taking those daily walks, add the daily walk.
- 40:34Philip Pape: If you're already walking a lot, the other hack I have for you is to stand up and walk around for two minutes every 30 minutes during the day.
- 40:41Philip Pape: These are the simplest interventions that actually work without adding anything more to your training.
- 40:48Philip Pape: All right, until next time.
- 40:49Philip Pape: Keep using your wits, lifting those weights.
- 40:51Philip Pape: And remember the scale doesn't measure transformation, but muscle does.
- 40:55Philip Pape: This is Philip Pape, and I'll talk to you next time.
- 40:58Philip Pape: Beer on Wits and Weights.