Latest / From Sad Pick Me Girl to Alchemist / Episode 21 - Your Purpose Isn’t What You Do — It’s Who You Are
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- Denise: Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of From Sad Pick Me Girl to Alchemist. Today I'm so excited to have Deborah Roque here. She is a medium and healer, and I'll I will let her talk a little bit More about what she does, but I also want to explain how we connected and why I decided to have her on the podcast. And if you're new here, I talk all things self-love and spiritual healing because that is what helped pull me out of a really dark part of my life. And it was first a podcast that introduced me to the world of I was already familiar with spirituality, so I don't want to say that it it introduced me to spirituality per se, but it really helped me dive deeper into other modalities to pull myself out of Depression, toxic relationship cycles, and really just an unfulfilling life. So I connected with different healers that provide a variety of services that I felt align with what I believe in. And with that, Deborah, I will let you explain a little bit more about what you do and how you help others to clear some of the blockages to living a fulfilling life. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yes, so thanks Denise. I really appreciate you having me here and you know just trusting me enough to bring me onto your show and share a little bit about you know what I do and who I am. And yeah. So as far as what I do, so I I'm a medium and I think that being a medium people have these preconceived ideas of what mediumship is supposed to look like or or what the purpose of mediumship is. And I think I was one of those people too for a very long time before I became a medium. just so that everybody's aware, I wasn't always a medium. I became a medium literally two years ago. so before this I was doing tarot reading, and I had started my own spiritual journey back in twenty fifteen when my father passed away. and that's like a whole story in itself. but Two years ago that changed because you know I had been doing tarot for eight years already, and I felt like, you know, with everything that I had learned and that I was learning and the healing that I was doing for myself, because I too had gone through my own, you dark period and everything, and I was able able to pull myself through that. There was something inside me that knew that there was more, but I couldn't really pinpoint or put my finger on to what that meant or what that looked like. And so I decided to go more the paranormal. Route, I suppose, which is also, you know, part of the umbrella of spirituality. And starting to get curious and mess around with things that probably I didn't really understand. and then somehow I remembered that I was a conduit and a vessel for spirit, for consciousness, for the divine. And one thing led to another, and suddenly I was. channeling information and and beings and entities, which then led me to have a very, very serious and a very, very arduous and even to a certain extent traumatic initiation through the beings themselves. And somehow I survived and now I'm here. Now what do I do? What was the purpose of that? Why did I go through all this, you know, crazy stuff? I realize it's because there's a big shift happening in the world, right? Where people Denise: Yeah, definitely. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: are coming Yeah, people are coming into a realization that there's more to this life than we've been taught or what we've been told, and that our experiences aren't meant to be dismissed or diminished in the way that they are because there's truth in them. So something that I'm able to do as a medium now is tap into that truth. and my specialty as a medium is to s to not only tap into conscious entity, so consciousness. So I can channel direct consciousness directly. I'm a pure or direct channel for consciousness, which means essentially I can channel anything from, you know, deities to angels to spirit guides to ancestors aliens it doesn't matter and even objects which people tend to not realize that objects have consciousness too as the universe is all thought so I channel things and the whole point as to why I channel them is to obtain truth and this truth is supposed to help people remember who they are at their core their higher self their soul whatever you want to call it and through Through this remembering, you're able to embody your purpose, embody who you are, and live that out in this 3D reality. And I do so primarily not only through the channeling of these conscious beings, typically one spirit guide. So I did I I get to connect you to your own spirit team. And that's amazing because they know you the best. but also by accessing the subconscious realms where your soul essentially sits. Like everything that you have been and have ever or ever will be, and you know, are and have existed with is in the subconscious. Denise: Mm-hmm. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: and so I get to sort of navigate that with people and help them unearth or remember these these very deep, profound truths of who they are, who their soul is. and why they're here and help them sort of overcome the obstacles that's keeping them from living this truth in in this life. Denise: That's amazing work. And I want to also go back to how before you started, what was your belief system then? Because I know that you said it completely transformed and I'm just curious how that looks now versus what it looked like before you went two years before, right? You said you started two years ago, so before that. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yeah. So I would say when I started I was I believed because I had been doing tarot for the eight years. So when it came to like the spiritual path. I believed in energy. I believed that there was something greater for us, like, you know, source or God or univer whatever you want to call it. and I believed in this, but there's a difference between believing and knowing, right? And so I think at that point I was definitely in the belief mode. Like, I believe this could exist. But there was always that doubt, right? But before that, before my father passed, I was actually an atheist. I didn't believe in anything. The only thing Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: that you could possibly tell me to like get me to admit that there existed was alien life. And the my logic at the time was, well, obviously if we're if we exist, why wouldn't other life exist in the earth, right? But I never thought that it was divinely orchestrated by some sort of like, you know, God or anything. That it that wasn't something that I ascribed to at that time. So I was a complete atheist. but then my father died and I felt him come to me, which at the time I didn't realize that that was what was happening. I thought it was some sort of like psychological manifestation of fear or anxiety and so I kind of pushed it aside. but then things started happening to me that I couldn't deny. And I did the you know what any true scientist, because I've been trained in the sciences, I was getting a PhD at the time too. So it was this whole thing. What any true scientist would do is to lean in and explore and get curious and and start asking The questions. So that's what I did. and then it kind of led me to a whole rabbit hole of things that have been occulted or hidden from us for millennia at this point, that we really didn't understand or didn't know existed. And then from there I just started to do the thing that you know, they say in all these texts, which is trust yourself, be true to you. And as I did, things started to unfold and then I started to believe in bigger things, but again, belief and knowing are not the same. once I became a medium though, that that just became pure gnosis. Like it was just like, Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: I now I know. Like d there's no like, I believe this or I believe that. It's like, no, this is the truth. Denise: Right. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: And nothing can ever kinda get me to go back to wherever I was back then. Denise: Yeah. Once you s once you're so that it's ingrained in you and at this point there's ever you have seen enough evidence to yeah to hold that belief or not even belief, to hold that knowing is what we wanna say. Yeah. And so that's what Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Denise: stood out to me when I reached out to people about being on the podcast and healers specifically, because I remember you saying that you were atheist before. And to me, it's always interesting to talk to people who have either been skeptics or are in the science field because a lot of people are in this bridge period where they're like, well, I Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Mm-hmm. Denise: don't know that if I quite get it. Like I think we're a part of something bigger. But I think once you make that leap and you it becomes goes from belief or suspicion to knowing, your life starts to shift Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Mm-hmm. Denise: and you really learn to live in alignment. So I want to go back to what you said first off about spirit guides, because some people might not be familiar with what that means. And I wasn't a few years ago. So I'd like to get your input on that and also how how and why is knowing your soul's purpose is so important for all of us. So it's a two-part question. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. It's a two-part question. So let's start off with the spirit guide question. So spirit guides are essentially souls, beings, entities, you know, that have made a promise to guide you and protect you in this lifetime. Okay, these are essentially soul connections that you have made in other lifetimes or other aspects of your existence. so I I work with spirit guides literally every day. so what I find to be more prevalent in spirit guides is you Usually they are some sort of family connection that you've had in past life. So, how it works is you're a soul, you go through existence living out your life and your incarnations and everything, and you meet other souls, and then you form these bonds. And these bonds can look like anything from parents to grandparents to siblings to children to lovers to partners, you know, whatever. And that bonds are so strong, some of these bonds that we create in our lifetimes that you know. Know we make promises or covenants really, and spirit guides are just an example of very, very strong covenants, bonds, or soul connections that you've made that and they have stuck with you, and they say, Okay, well, we're gonna help you evolve, we're gonna help you grow, we're gonna protect you, and we're gonna make sure that you remember this, and then you know, continue in your purpose. and people can have at least in this lifetime, like as in their incarnation, at least two is usually like bare minimum. minimum. but anything can happen. I mean, I've seen people with like, I don't know, plenty. but that's the whole purpose of a spirit guide is that they are there to specifically, they are bound to you specifically and help you specifically grow and evolve and become and remember. And they can be anything, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, friends. It doesn't matter from other lifetimes and iterations. They're Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: not necessarily guides from this life. And that's something that a lot of people confuse. They're like, yeah, 'cause you know, my grandmother's my spirit guide. I'm like, mmm not necessarily. They not that Denise: Hmm. Right. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: they can't guide you. Right. Not that they can't come and protect you and guide you and be with you, but they are not specifically assigned as a spirit guide. That's a little there there's nuance to that. but that Denise: Excellent. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: maybe a p that it could be that maybe your grandmother is actually a spirit guide and you ja you guys just happen to incarnate together so when she passed then she became part of your team again. That's totally Denise: Mm, okay. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: possible. But it just depends on the promises that have been made, the contracts or whatever you want to call it. I never try to use that word because that you that word is so misused. Contracts. yeah it is so mis Denise: Soul contract the soul contracts? I u I use it a lot. no Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: it's misused. Because people Denise: what? Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: have this idea like you make these promises before you come to Earth and it's not necessarily like that always. So in again, the truth is stranger than fiction. But that do soul contracts exist? Of course they do. but not at the I guess the prevalent level that everybody assumes they do. And that's just like a whole nother thing. But anyway, the point is that that those are spirit guides. Spirit guides could be basically anything. And it's just really a promise and an and an an or an assignment that they have to like live your per help you live your purpose. Now the purpose. well I'm gonna ask you, Denise, what do you think your purpose is? Denise: So I think my individual purpose Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: No. One's purpose. What is purpose? Denise: Yeah. So I think our purpose here is what we designed or contracted rather, right? I know you that word It seems like you're on the fence about it. But either way, what we contracted to learn in this lifetime and to bring to the world. So when you reach a level of consciousness, you're able to spread that to the other people. But it takes you remembering what you came here for. So what that is is going to look different for everyone. And until you uncover that, you won't live your highest timeline. So I do think that some people there is free will, right? So sometimes in this lifetime, maybe you don't uncover that, but you do chip away at some of the lessons that your soul is aiming to learn. So I guess how far you ascend. Ascend is really up to what you choose to do on this earth. And so I think a lot of us can maintain that we'll call it fear of visibility, fear of vulnerability, whatever it is, you stay in that box and you won't necessarily ascend to where to your highest possible timeline because you choose to err on the side of caution and kind of stay with the fear limiting you versus using that fear to catapult you into higher timelines. That is my view on it. I don't think everyone will live out their full purpose in every lifetime. I don't think that's the point, but the point is that you ascend on some level. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yes. That's very interesting. So then if your purpose is to embody or to live out the per something that you designed before, how do you get to that information? Like how do you remember that? Denise: Connecting with yourself and your guides. I think that's is the biggest thing. Cutting out the noise and remembering who you are aside from everything that you hear. And that is takes a lot of unlearning because we come here forgetting who we are, right? We don't and the point is to uncover that bit by bit. And I think it's connecting with ourselves, sitting with ourselves, sitting with the fear, which I've done a lot of these past two years, and I can say that it's still it's challenging. It's very difficult. And I also I consider myself to be spiritual, but I don't have I haven't cleared the connection like you have to guides or anything like that. So I am still in this phase where I'm like, I know it to be true, but I don't have those in the way that you do, right? Those those concrete evidences. I don't have that. So th that is why I I at Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Mm. Denise: least like to share my journey because I'm kind of in this in-middle phase where I want to help peer bring other people to this because I know this is the answer to living out what you came here to live out. But I'm also walking it right now. And I'm not quite there Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Right, and Denise: yet. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: I mean I n none of us are, right? Just because I have Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: this like access, I guess, to the real the spirit realm, and to the unknown that I do doesn't mean that I've quite figured it out. for myself entirely, right? I mean, it's constantly growing and changing and evolving. And it's as you said, it di it depends highly on one's choice. but it's really interesting because you know, we're still on the topic of purpose. And I think, you know, we keep doing this thing where when we talk about purpose, we're like, it's this thing I'm supposed to live out. it's this thing I'm supposed to do. Do you understand? And a lot Denise: Yeah, yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: of individuals have that, I guess pr kind like preconception or idea of what purpose is. So what I have found and because I work with I have students, you understand, I are that I work with on a weekly, bi-weekly, monthly basis, with their spirit guides. And a common theme that I find with individuals is that people kind of don't understand that their purpose really isn't anything outside of them or anything that they're supposed to do. That's not purpose. Purpose is who you are. That's it, it's your existence. And so now how that manifests, how you decide to embody that. Is part of the journey, and this is where your free will comes into play, and you know you live it out as you deem fit, and by remembering or by remembering who you are. yes, you're more likely to be aligned and live the purpose, but people don't really understand what that means either. And so the way that I have learned through the spirit realm and the spirit guides and because I'm learning too as I speak, you know, to different guides and how they guide their s their their human, you know, like I'm channeling what they're guiding, their their their wisdom. Denise: Mm. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: And each and every guide that I have channeled, like, it just does not fail. And I have done this like at this point it's been thousands, right? All of them say, What is your truth? Your purpose is your truth. What is true to you? Right? But the problem Denise: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: is that a lot of individuals do not know how to discern what is true for them versus what they believe may be true because of ego. Remember, ego is a big kind of like thing in our journey. Not that it's a bad Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: thing. Denise: Right. No. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: It's not a bad thing, but it could be quite an obstacle. So you have ego and then you have spirit. So what is the ego saying versus what is your side, your, as you say, higher self or your soul saying, right? And another thing that I have found that a lot of people mistake too is like, well, we have to ascend, we have to ascend, we have to ascend. I'm like, yeah, you do. Ascending is definitely a thing that we want to do. It's part of the evolution process. However, you cannot ascend unless you descend. Denise: Okay. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: And a lot of people don't understand that. They're like, Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: yeah, but I want to ascend. And I'm like, so how do you expect to ascend if you do not first descend first? Everything's on a spectrum, right? You kind of have to have both. Denise: Interesting. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Life is a paradox. So Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Pete, this is why the subconscious and the subconscious realm, or what people call shadow work, is so important. to the soul's evolution because there is no ascending unless you go in and under to transform, transmute, alchemize. This is where alchemy comes in too. But there's just you cannot do that, right? You cannot go and say, I'm gonna be this higher self, this higher being, and completely ignore what's in the subconscious, whether that's your wounding, whether that's your programming, whether that's your trauma, whether those are insecurities, whether that's a you know limiting beliefs. Cannot do it. There's just it's absolutely impossible. And by doing that, by the descending you're able to sort of unlock the different layers of the subconscious that, you know, chip away at your truth and then you start to learn discernment. Well, this is actually really me versus this is what I was told to be versus this is what I learned to be. And so that's Denise: Right. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: part of like the journey and the journey to purpose. But purpose really isn't anything that you do. It's really who you are. Denise: Amazing. That is a frame the way that you put that is something that I had not heard of. And it's funny because when you mentioned the D Send, I was smiling because I was like, That explains a lot because I feel like I was on the D Send these past couple of years immensely. And as Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yeah mm. Yeah. Denise: the name of this podcast goes, I believe in alchemization, but I believe that in order to have been able to alchemize it had to go through it. We have to go through some pain. And Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yes. Denise: some unveiling of who we are and the role that we play in the unhappiness, in the unf unfulfillment, whatever it is that we're dealing with. And so when I was saying that, I think that right now I'm at this point where I'm ascending, but I haven't quite and like you were saying, you never really get there, but I'm still on this like still coming from the descent, if that makes sense. Like I haven't fully popped Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yeah. Yeah. Denise: up from the descent and and I'm meeting a lot of triggers and things that I'm seeing that are like, are you gonna accept your old ways or are you really who you say you are? And if you really Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yes. Denise: are, then then you uncover what's for you. But if you're gonna go back, then that means you haven't fully integrated what you said you did. And so Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yeah. Denise: I'm having I'm living that in real time right now, and it's it's hard because it's So easy to go back to the familiar and the old. And I'm like, I Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Mm. Denise: know how this plays out and you know what's gonna happen. So why? You know better. And so Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yeah. Yeah. Denise: it's really interesting when you said that I was like, my goodness, I that's so a beautiful way to put purpose and is it like knowing who you are and your truth and what that is. And a lot of the times too people think that purpose means I wanna say career. And it it to some extent, right? You live out your purpose and it does like what you d Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Mm, yeah. Denise: you want to enjoy your life and you want to not sit there and work this job that's sucking the life out of you just because you were told that's what you should do. So I wanna get your take on what how that works because I do think part of it is that you won't fully live a fulfilled life if you don't let go of safety. But I think a lot of the times right now people are so afraid because how do you make a living, right? You you're in this bridge period, but if you don't make the leap, then you still stay in this cycle of unfulfillment and those jobs take a lot of our lives and a lot of our energy. So it's still energy. We're human and we only have so much capacity. So I would like to get your take on that. The people that are in this bridge period where they know they're not meant to do what they're doing now, but they're scared of what that looks like if they let that go. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Right. One of the things that I help individuals understand is that very thing that you're asking. Like what I am afraid. I'm in this in between. I don't know what's gonna happen. How do I get through this? And one of the more recent lessons that I've learned not only for myself, but you know, through my I guess my own learning process through the guides is that the antidote to fear, right? Isn't necessarily bravery. So if you're in this in-between, right, and you know that you're supposed to be going somewhere, you're supposed to be doing something else, you know, and you're like, no, I just I just gotta I gotta do it scared. Like I gotta I gotta be brave and just step into that. You understand? Yes, you do, but if that was the true, I guess, antidote to fear, more people would do that, right? Because, you know, it's a choice. You just say, no, you know, F this. Like I'm just gonna go and do it because I know I gotta do it because this is what's going to get me out of this funk or this fear. Like I'm not gonna be afraid anymore. Well, that's not necessarily true, right? Because the antidote to fear isn't bravery. As a matter of fact, it's Truth and through truth it's trust. So one of the things that I have noticed that a lot of people in this in-between space are missing, like they are missing, is trust. You do not trust that you can make this decision and you will be taken care of. You do not trust that you can make this decision and you will be successful. You do not trust that you will make this decision and you will be secure. There is a lack of trust. And so Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: people stay in this in-between space because they don't trust what's going to come through or what's going to happen. It's like they feel like they need a safety net. Not understanding that the universe itself is a safety net, right? Now there has to be caution, right? Because trust without caution is carelessness, right? So there isn't it's not to say I trust this blindly. Do you understand? The trust has Denise: Right, yeah, I do. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: yeah, it doesn't, it's not like this. you know, impulsive blind trust that you say, F this, I don't care. I know that the universe is gonna catch me. Hold on. Do you understand? This Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: is where the trust in yourself comes through. Because let's say you trust yourself, right? Like fully, wholeheartedly, a hundred percent. Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: And you know you're in this in-between space and you know you don't belong in this stupid job, this corporate life that's like sucking your soul, but you have to do more. But you know, you you can't make that leap of faith yet because you don't feel mm, maybe you've secured yourself enough to make the leap of faith. This is where sort of that balance comes in, where you say, Okay, I know. That in order to make this leap of faith, I have to trust myself and I have to trust the universe, right? But I can't do so blindly and just like take all my life savings and just put it all and like and that's it, like just let go. because I have a family. You know, I have to think about, you know, what the family is and then like the family's well being. Well, so that what you do is you, if you really trust yourself, you say, Okay. I'm gonna do what I need to do to set it up. I'm gonna do like some risk assessment. It's kind of like a risk assessment. And Denise: Right. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: you say, Maul, I can only do this, this, and this at this point because this is what I'm allowed. You know, reality, like realistically speaking, right? Denise: Capacity, yeah. Right. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Okay, then you do that, you trust yourself, and then you say, Okay, I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna let go. I trust that at least this is gonna take me to wherever the next step is going to be. Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Do you understand? And then you do that and you let go. You have to let go of the outcome. You have to let go of what you think is gonna happen. You have to let go of the expectation. You understand? You do the little bit of calculation given what your circumstances are. You trust fully in yourself and your capacity to know that you're not going to completely just make a bad, you know, decision or be completely impulsive where you lose everything, but at least that whatever it is that you're doing is enough to take you to the next step. Because I think Denise: Right. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: some People think that you're supposed to make this leap that's supposed to take you into this like millionaire life, like lifetime or timeline in an instant, and it doesn't work that way. These are like constant little steps that we're taking toward whatever it is that we want. The problem is that we're not trusting ourselves to get there, and then the you know, the inverse is also true. We trust ourselves so much sometimes that we do so impulsively, and then we lose everything. You know, it's a balance, Denise: Yeah, I don't know. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: where you can't just let go. Blindly, right? Because the universe wants you to trust in it blind. I mean, not blindly, it wants you to trust in it, you know, cautiously, Denise: Right. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: like intellectually, logically. There's still logic in all this. So, you know, it's saying, Well, what feels right to you? Does this feel right to you? Do you understand? Does this make sense to you at this moment? And if it if all signs point to yes, then what's stopping you? Trust yourself, go forward. You understand? and And that's kind of the antidote to this. If you're in that in between, it's like, okay, well what do you need to do to feel secure to take that next step? Do it. Trust yourself enough to do it and then take the step and then see where that takes you. You're not going to leap, you know, from what like, you know, from zero to a hundred. That's not the point. You understand? Usually those people that do do that end up losing things anyway. You want make sure that whatever it is that you're building is secure and stable enough that it continues to grow with you and that you don't lose that foundation. So just trust in the next step, whatever that Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: is. Believe in that and just do whatever you can with the capacity that you have and the security that you feel and just go. But you know, a lot of people seem to think that if this is supposed to happen in like an instant, and it's not like that. Denise: I feel like you're talk like you're talking to me directly right now. I was like, Okay, I understand. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: how about yan Okay Yes Denise: That's so funny because even with you mentioning that, it's the next steps. And I I've continued and I like to share these things because I want other people that are in similar situations to understand sometimes it doesn't happen overnight. And I'm a very much like, Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Mm mm. Denise: everything's supposed to happen like this, right? And it's not, but you slowly unveil Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yeah. Denise: it. And I've noticed as I started sharing things, what my feel my purpose is has changed. I thought I wanted to help women, Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yes. Denise: but now it turns out that more men reach out to me about the things that I share. And so it's like I Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: perfect. Yes. Denise: I'm slowly saying, it's not gender specific. It's not solely women. Men are dealing with these things too. And I can connect with men on a different level because I see them for who they I see souls, right? I see who people Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yes. Denise: are at their core. For better or for worse, I've learned sometimes you just gotta see that and like know that Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yeah, I know. Denise: that part is not. So when you were speaking right now, this is part of what I say when you do live in alignment, you encounter people and you have conversations, even if like right now, this conversation is a s a signal to me. on my end that I am on a path that is for my highest timeline. Because I wouldn't be sitting here listening to this message that you are saying for everybody, but it is like you're talking to me. And so though Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yes. Denise: and that was not planned. And that's part of why Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: No. Denise: I think you just trust in the universe and trust that you're taking the necessary Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Mm-hmm. Denise: steps and understand that things don't happen overnight. And right. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: No. Very rarely. Mm-hmm. Denise: And you have to kind of go through these little processes. And sometimes you think it's all a climb, but it's not all a climb. Sometimes you follow a couple of steps. You go keep going. And that helps build the character because we never stop. Life is kind of just all about ups and downs, right? We never get to a point where Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yeah. Denise: we're just coasting up continuously. And I think that's what I've always thought. I thought, I'm gonna reach this point Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Right. Denise: and I'm gonna be like, yes, I've made it. But I think even th there's always a new Step we'll call it or whatever, a ladder to climb. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yeah, absolutely. And that's what I you know, we tell All my students know this where it's like healing is cyclical. It's it's it's it's spiral. Do you understand? It kind of comes in cycles and phases and sometimes you're going up, up, up, and then you go back down and then you go up again and you keep sort of doing this dance until like it clicks and then when it clicks, now you've like unlocked a new level, and then now you go through that level and you do the thing. And so yeah, you're going I mean, I guess ideally you should be going that I guess that upwards trajectory, but what people don't realize it's not a straight line. It's kind of like undulating. Like you kind of like snake Denise: Yes. Yes. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: through the thing. So you're high and then you're low. You're high and you're low. But over Denise: Yep. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: the course of time, you kind of see the points sort of rise, but you can go down or up that line at any point. Denise: Right. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Mm-hmm. Denise: And that is something that I think is so important to understand because if you go down per se, you will sometimes think, my gosh, maybe I'm not doing what I need to be doing. Maybe this is not, maybe I'm not Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: yes. Denise: on the right path. And I've done that to myself a lot. So it's Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yeah. Denise: very important. And that's why I think it's also really good to get the help of healers like yourself. Because when you're Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Thank you. Denise: feeling like you need a little bit of clarity, when you're feeling like you're not sure, even if let's say I was a medium myself, if you hear things from somebody else sometimes, I think there's just something else to it, and I feel like that's why some certain people come into our lives. Like if you f find some there's always we need help, all of us at some point. And so we need to acknowledge Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: All of us, yes. Denise: that even if we have our connection to the divine, sometimes you do need another human's help. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: absolutely. Absolutely. Mm-hmm. Denise: And do you do you find yourself getting the help from other healers as well or we'll call it guidance, whatever it is? Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yeah, well I do and it's interesting because for me, you know, I find my it's so interesting. I find myself getting the help not only from other healers and I don't trust a lot ever well, I'm just gonna have to say I don't trust a lot of like people who say that they're healers until I speak to them. Why? Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Because everybody's at a different level, right? So I'm not saying that they're not Honest or they're Denise: Right. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: not doing the good work. What I'm saying is that maybe at the level that they're at isn't the level that I'm seeking. Do you understand? So when Denise: Right. Yeah. The level of expertise. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: right. So when I meet with other healers and psychics and mediums, I'm like, this is great. And I feel like I can learn a little bit from everybody. Like I never am just like whatever. But there are there is a certain level of trust where like I'm I'm still kind of trepidatious because I don't know what level they're in. Do you understand? So I won't blindly be like, my God, just because you're a healer and Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: psychic, like I'm gonna totally trust you with whatever it is that I'm experiencing. No, I have to see first to see if there is alignment. Do you understand? Again, that trust in myself, right? Where I'm like, you can be whatever it is that you are and power to you. Just I don't know if this is what aligns to me at this moment. Right. Denise: Yeah, yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: so when it I have right now two significant mediums that I like really trust with like the things that I'm going through because they're the only ones at this time that I have met that like can see what I see and like can repeat or like reflect back to me what I've been experiencing effortlessly. Where as opposed some other ones haven't been able to do that. But at the same time, I'm Constantly learning from the individuals that I work with because it's interesting how their own experiences and their life also serve as like almost like a mirror to things that I've experienced or things that I've been through and you know how they go through it or what they're experiencing in life also is teaching me more about reality and about how Denise: No. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: reality rarely is, or actually as a matter of fact, reality isn't what we think it is at all, right? And so much truth can like exist. simultaneously. And I find myself learning and like being like humbled, like on a daily basis. when I interact with just anybody really, if you're just open and curious and enough to like really understand the person's experience and and be curious of what they're going through, you'll be surprised at what you can learn. But when it comes to like my own healing journey, I'm either just listening to my own teammates, like my spirit team, or like, you know, those that can really see what's going on within me at the it the truth, the level of truth that I'm at right now. So yeah. Denise: Yeah. And Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Mm-hmm. Denise: And that is part of what I want to do too is to help people identify the healers that are aligned with them because that's very important what you just mentioned Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yes. Denise: because I would be that person that was like, psychic medium, you can help me. And then that person I would talk to them and like you said, even if they were acting with integrity, there was just a level of resonance that wasn't there. And Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Right. Denise: I wasn't getting anything from it. Like and I was almost looking for people for answers and that's in one something. Yes, you do get some sort of clarity, but I wouldn't say you get a firm like, yes, this is what you need to do tomorrow. Like there is no A, B, C step once. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yeah, I know. Denise: You know, that it's not like a playbook. It's like you kind of take the guidance and you still have to listen to yourself and strengthen your connection with yourself and trust your intuition. And so that is what I was learning through. I went, gosh, the amount of psychic mediums I spoke to that I felt like were just Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Mm. Denise: very touched to the surface of what I needed. So it's I love what you're saying because it's like find what resonates Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yeah. Denise: That's why I have people here because I want people to listen and say, your your mind will know you have this interest. Like I really want to speak to this person. And I always encourage people to lean into that because that's your soul telling you something. If you have that curiosity, Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yes. Mm-hmm. Denise: even if you think it's weird and you're like, well, I've never done that before. I'm scared, but I'm really interested. That is something that you do. Do it. Try it. What do you have to lose from it? Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yes, I a hundred percent agree. And it's interesting when like I meet new people and they're like it two things. Either I've never done this before, I don't know what to expect. And I'm like, good. This is what you're gonna kind of expect at least from me, because you know, this is how I work. And then I have the individuals who are like, I've done this, but I've never really felt anything like you. And I'm like, Okay, totally valid. Like I understand. This is what you're gonna expect Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: from me. And then those are the individuals that like afterwards they're like, I've never ex I've never experienced anything like this. And they stick with me. You understand? And they're like, I'm gonna see Denise: Yeah. Right. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: you again. And I'm like, come on, let's do it. Like we're the more the Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: merrier, you understand? And I'm so blessed in that because I it's really validated even for me because as a as a medium and a psychic, you know, obviously there's these stereotypes and like people who think that, you know, we are whatever we are or this is how we work and operate. And another thing too, because this is so subjective, like it's very easy to think like I'm crazy. Like I am imagining all of this and I am nuts Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: and I should probably be institutionalized. but when I have these experiences and they happen so often, you understand, and people resonate in the way that they do and they keep coming back out of their own volition. I am not I don't sign any contracts. I don't I don't pe make people pay before my you know, before they see me. Like I This is an honor system here. Like you wanna come to me because you want to come to me. You pay me because you choose to pay me. You pay me what you can because that's what you can afford. That's it. Like there is not there is no like hidden anything. And so that's why when I work with individuals, for me it's so beautiful because these are people who are consciously making a choice to continue Denise: Mm-hmm. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: to come to me because there is something that I am providing to them. And to see them grow in the way that they have. I don't know. It they're so grateful. They said they you know, they tell me that I wouldn't be able to be where I am now and be as confident secure in myself if it wasn't that you saw me and you can help me see myself. Do you understand? And that's Denise: Yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: a beautiful thing. And I'm like, okay. So that's what makes me feel like I'm doing something right. Yeah. I'm just like Yes. Denise: Well, yeah, you're definitely doing something right. It is like we are we're humans, we still need a little bit of validation. I think and that never goes away. Do you it shouldn't be your main source of motivation, but we definitely need it. But yeah. Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: No, no. Yeah. We do. We do. Denise: And so I just want to thank you so much again for coming on the show. I am going to include Deborah's contact information here. And I strongly encourage if you're somebody who is feeling like you don't know what your purpose is and you feel like there's a nudge for something more and you want to connect to your guides, people like Deborah help immensely to get you even just started on the journey and what that looks like. remains to be determined, but you won't know until you take that first step and then bit by bit it becomes more clear. So Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Yes. Yes. Denise: thank you so much again for coming on. I so appreciate you and I'm so glad that we've connected. Yeah. Thank you Deborah Roque - Medium, Healer: Me too. Thank you for having me. Appreciate it. Denise: And thank you all so much for listening. I will see you all next week.