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Dan Werthman Pt. 2 - Practicing Healthier Systems
Leadership under pressure isn’t about having the sharpest argument—it’s about holding steady when anxiety spikes. We sit down with Dan Werthman to explore how family systems theory helps pastors lead with presence instead of panic, especially when shame, polarization, and perpetual urgency try to set the agenda. Dan shares a vivid case of an overfunctioning lead pastor and the underfunctioning culture that followed, showing how accurate naming, sabbatical rhythms, and clear responsibility can reset a team toward health.
Together we unpack triangles and the subtle ways pastors get pulled into…
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