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Why Young Black Men Need Mentorship Now More Than Ever | HDW Street Patrol with Brotha Harrold-Ep 12 · Sense Only

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_08: I don't think they really understand the black youth really.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_08: They just feel that they need to manhandle them because they because they obviously like play those mind games knowing that the black youth obviously they've got anger and they might not know all the rules of what the law's about.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_08: And because the police know that they take advantage of the young black brothers.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_09: One thing that crossed my mind before I knew what you did, I was like, would a part of your protection be protecting the youth from the police?
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_08: Even when the police obviously say, Look, stop there, brother, stop there, brother.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_08: And obviously some of the young people say, Am I under arrest?
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_08: And then obviously, like when you say obviously are you under arrest, they then want you to raise your voice.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_08: And if you raise your voice, then they've got a body cam on you.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_08: So even if they attack you, the body cam obviously is not gonna show them, it's gonna show you.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_09: Greetings and salutations.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_09: I'm your host, Alicia Mullings, and this is the Sense Only Podcast.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_09: This podcast is for those who are tired of the noise, distraction, and disconnection in the world.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_09: It's for those who know that we need to be the change that we want to see in the world.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_09: Today I've got another wonderful guest.
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  SPEAKER_09: We've got Brother Harold here with us.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_09: Welcome.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_08: Welcome, man.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_09: And please tell us everything that you do to contribute to the world.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, I do a lot with uh with the black community, black Miss Heritage community, supporting them through various ways.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_08: Um one of them obviously that I'm gonna speak about is the HDW Street Patrol, where that's just a new venture that I've just recently tapped into one year ago.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, and that's obviously like engaging with our young people on the streets, talking to them about any social issues they've got in the community, whether that's social issues with police, whether that's being always stopped and searched for the wrong things, or maybe colour of the skin, the way they look, or maybe that the way they're dressing, or maybe even being stopped because the police know that they don't know the law.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_08: Right.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_08: So obviously, HCW Street Patrol is just a way where we can show them obviously that we can support them rather than getting in these situations with the police.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_09: What are the type of things that you would say to them in terms of guiding them?
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_08: We'd say to them, look, come and do a workshop.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_08: We can do a workshop with you on how obviously that the basic steps work to know your rights.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_08: And then obviously you can tell us what you think your rights could be.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_08: And if that aligns obviously with what the workshop's all about, then we can we can get you on on board with the patrol as well.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_08: If you want to come on, yeah, if they want to come on board, obviously that rather than being someone you just being a victim on the streets every day, they can join our our movement so through that workshop of knowing obviously that about stop and search and knowing your rights, there's an opportunity to come on board with us as well.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_09: So what what areas do you cover?
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_08: So we cover obviously Lambeth, South, Craig, and and Sutton at the moment.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_08: So pretty much all all south based.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_09: How how often do you do your workshops?
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_08: Uh we do them once a month at the moment, once a month, yeah.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_09: Once a month.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_09: Is it is it you who conducts the classes, or do you have different different professionals who come in and teach on different?
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_08: Obviously, like it's mainly me and my volunteers, but sometimes we do invite obviously various guests to come in and obviously show some extra input, obviously, like so the youth can see that there's other brothers that come and obviously and want to share their experiences as well.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_09: So when you do the workshops, where even though you cover all those areas in South London, where specifically do you hold the workshops?
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_08: We mainly hold the workshops in Brixton itself.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_08: So Brixton there is mainly where we hold the workshops.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_09: Okay, that makes sense because it's um obviously easier to do it.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_08: It's central, yeah, essential to get to, yeah.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_09: Okay, that's good.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_09: What what made you, what inspired you to start this business?
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_09: Like what happened?
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  SPEAKER_09: Is there a story behind it?
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_09: Did you see something?
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_08: Well, pretty much, obviously, I've just obviously growing up, I've just seen a lot of things, obviously, like within the black community, black military community, obviously lack of support.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_08: I've seen obviously like the terror, obviously, like if you're that, obviously, colour of skin, obviously that all if you're that particular afrohead young man, or yeah, even the way you speak, obviously, like characteristics, like it's all against us, obviously.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_08: We know that already, it's all against us, systems against all of us.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_08: So we need to the way I see it is that we just need to be building our own solutions, our own institutions, and seeing how we can change and seeing how we can just make that narrative obviously like not just talk but interaction.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_08: Because yeah, without obviously without these institutions, we're just gonna see more of our brothers in situations where they're gonna be killing each other rather than knowing that there's an A game that we need to focus on rather than killing each other.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_08: Because we're killing each other because we don't know who we are, and that's and that's years of pain, years of pain, and no voice.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_09: Have you what has the response been like in terms of when you've approached young people and I guess told them about your movement?
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_09: How have they taken to it?
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_09: Have they rejected it?
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_08: Some young people obviously like they can see that this is a thing that's needed for them, and then some of them feel that the streets obviously is calling, so they must continue on the streets until they've been through enough pain on the streets to realise that this could be of some support to them.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_09: I personally have heard of other movements doing similar things to yourself.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_09: Have you have you guys have you got any plans to maybe link up?
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_09: Because I think it would make it.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_08: I'm looking, I'm looking obviously to collaborate with a few of the brothers obviously that are doing this stuff.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_08: I'm in talks, obviously, with a few.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_08: Uh one of them called Street Fathers.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_08: I'm looking to team up with them and see.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_08: Like I said, obviously, especially in the black community, I'm all for obviously working together.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, even though obviously something we're still developing and we don't do enough, but I'm all for that 100%.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_08: Not just me on one band.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I need about 10 or 15 brothers on board.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_09: Definitely.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_08: So we can make this thing a legacy, and it's all about a legacy building, foundation of growing.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_08: That's it, and it can it because it's so positive, it's only something that you can definitely continues and and it sticks and it sticks for life, sticks for life, and this this thing, it's not a joke.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_08: This is this is serious, yeah.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, yeah, because I was just thinking, literally thinking if everyone's covering different coordinates in like London specifically, if you're doing south and the others are doing north, west, east, and central.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_08: Just keep that momentum flowing, yeah.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_09: Basically, so I can I can I can already see the power of it and I can already envision it, but at the same time, it's it's people actually coming together because we can talk about it.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_09: That's right, somebody needs to actually execute it, and then we know we know everything that comes along with you in terms of egos and blah blah blah, but however we can focus on the positive in terms of the mission at hand.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_09: You know, um is there anything that regular people can do to I guess help or support?
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_09: What what help do you feel like you need?
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_08: Obviously, like some obviously like we're looking for always looking for donations.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_08: Like if anyone wants to donate something, obviously, like to help us grow the movement further.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_08: I'm happy for donations, yeah.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_08: Promotion, obviously, like obviously promotion on social media we're getting already, but yeah, donations, maybe moving down the line, some sponsorship as well.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_08: But yeah, just like just general support.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_08: Obviously, anyone that feels the movement and it's something that's close to your heart, just reach out to me, reach out to me and we can connect and we can talk.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_09: What's your plans?
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_09: What's your feet?
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_09: What do you envision for?
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_09: Because obviously you've already started and things are in motion and you're working in it.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_09: What's your what's your big vision for if there's if nothing was an obstacle and you can achieve what the end goal is, what would that look like?
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_08: So the end goal pretty much would be to have the HCW Street Patrol movement all over London, even some parts of outside London as well.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_08: So yeah, pretty all over London, pretty much having the movement consistently running, having a strong team, obviously, like of brothers and brothers and sisters within the black community on board and just pushing the movement so we can see like an upliftment for the youth.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_08: Obviously, we need the youth on board.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_08: We need obviously these youth on board, obviously, it's the next generation.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_08: We need coming, obviously, like and doing the works as well.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_08: So, yeah, pretty much just building up the next generation and seeing obviously what unfolds.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_08: But yeah, that's that's the plan, obviously.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_08: That to have this obviously like globally running and just obviously putting in the work for itself.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_09: How would people contact you or get in touch with you?
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_09: So, say for example, because at the same time, because of the circles that you're approaching, as we know, some can be quite dangerous.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, um, so as much as some people might have a desire to join whatever you're doing, what you're doing, yeah, we know we know the street level, we know that there's there can be repercussions and consequences of sexual.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_09: Of course, of course.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_09: So, say, for example, there was a parent or somebody who cared for a person who's somewhere in a challenging mix or maybe a dangerous mix, how could they approach you or say what would that look like in terms of you helping them with their person?
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_08: So we'd have to so pretty much we'd have to liaise um with the parent, obviously, of that young person, obviously address the situation, find out what's happened, obviously, like, and then obviously if we need to involve someone else, like a like a like a probation officer or someone else that's like around that young person, then we will.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_08: But yeah, we'd have to assess the situation, obviously, risk assessment we'd have to do, make a report, yeah.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_08: Obviously, like pass that on, obviously, like to whoever's next closest, obviously like reference the welfare of the young person.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_08: So all these protocols we'd have to do.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_08: Do you work alone or do you work alongside police or obviously like at the at the moment, obviously, like pretty much obviously, like just like your officers and probation officers have come on board, obviously, where we've liaised with them.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_08: We haven't really lays with police at the moment, but it's pretty much just like probation that we've we've obviously been lessing with at the moment.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_09: What's your what's your views and your stance of working with police?
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_08: Would you be for it or obviously like obviously my honest opinion about police is that I don't think they really understand the black youth really.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_08: They just feel that they need to manhandle them because they because they obviously like play those mind games knowing that the black youth obviously they've got anger and they might not know all the rules of what the law is about, and because the police know that they take advantage of the young black brothers because of that.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_08: So obviously, like I feel obviously like I could obviously even even if I do that decide to work with them, it could be challenging because obviously, like with them, they will they will make it difficult to understand where I'm coming from as a as a community-led movement, and where they're coming from as a government association, so that there'll be politics there.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_08: Keep it real, man.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_08: This is what we want here, so politics there, yeah.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, because I'm like my my stance also is because obviously I know that you do a street patrol, um, and what I'm taking from what I've learned about what it is you do, you're more so patrolling or educating the youth in terms of not creating yeah, bother within themselves.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_08: That's it, that's it.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_09: One thing that crossed my mind before I knew what you did, I was like, would a part of your protection be protecting the youth from the police?
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_08: I was just because it crossed my mind that obviously one of them would be because I as as we as we're discussing now, I've seen so much uh police brutality.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_08: Obviously, even when the police obviously say, Look, stop there, brother, stop there, brother.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_08: And obviously, some of the young people say, Am I under arrest?
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_08: And then obviously, like when you say obviously are you under arrest, they then want you to raise your voice.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_08: And if you raise your voice, then they've got the body cam on you.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_08: So even if they attack you, the body cam obviously is not gonna show them, it's gonna show you.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_08: Right.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_08: So you're you're the one that's gonna be the criminal, right?
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_08: Not them.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_08: So even though I've just said that, was that a part of the and and I feel that's what a lot of these movements should be doing as well.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_09: Well, definitely.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_09: We see that, and that's not to the period of UK, that's globally.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_09: We've seen everything that's happening in the world.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_09: Because obviously, the states, you know, yeah.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_08: If we look at obviously like the Jewish community, they've got that movement running, they've got that movement running for their people.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_08: So I'm seeing that why can't we have that for our people?
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_08: Because it's needed.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_09: And but the thing is we know the challenges we have within our community.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_09: You hand on heart, do you feel that that's achievable?
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_08: Because I think it's achievable with the right people on board, with the right organizations that know this must be done.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_08: But the people have got the same ethos as myself, and they know obviously like the protocols, they're happy to take the steps, plan of action as we use, then yeah, this thing can work.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_08: But consistency must be going, collaboration must be consistent, all these things must be rolling.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_08: The the right uh rolling of the dice has to keep them rolling.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_09: Right.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_09: What's your views on actually educating the police?
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_09: Do you do you feel like that's um a realistic venture?
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_09: Because obviously they need it, they need education.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_08: I think obviously it's something that could take a lot of time, to be honest.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_08: But obviously, I guess obviously I could I could potentially give it a go and see what happens, but it could take a lot of time because they're quite hard done by it, very stubborn as well.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_08: So it'll take a lot of a lot of energy to get them on to get even like to even get them.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_08: Obviously, getting them on side will be be impossible, but to get them to listen, it's a 60-40 chance.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_09: Anything's happening, anything can happen, you know, it's not necessarily impossible.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_08: Obviously, like at the moment, obviously, like it remains to be seen in it, but yeah, we see it, we see what happens.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_08: So, under HGW, obviously, under other than obviously the street patrol, we obviously do a lot of youth-led programs, so a lot of mentoring, youth work, again, obviously with the black community, where we touch on topics about lost roots and culture, the youth obviously not tapping into their culture because the westernized system in the school or the environment they're in has taken that away from them.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_08: So we tell them obviously about tapping into obviously things like Kwanzaa, obviously following that certain principles of Kemet, Mahat, tapping into all that.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_08: We mention those things in our youth work.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_08: Nice and our mentoring as well that we do with the black youth.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_08: And obviously, when we when we mention these things, obviously, like in a normal day-to-day basis, the youth they feel very they feel very empowered.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_09: That's good.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_09: So I was good because that was literally one of my questions I was gonna ask you.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_09: I'm like, how are they receiving it?
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_08: Because obviously, not only are they sitting there just talking to me and my volunteers and the rest of the team behind me, yeah.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_08: And it's not just a boring day where we're just talking about mental health or street culture, we we try to add something different because obviously, like where we see a lot of these organizations talking about the same thing, that's not really getting nowhere with the youth.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_08: Of course, you want it to be relatable to you, but you have to come from different angles.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_09: That's it.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_09: Definitely.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_08: Right, those different angles, there's no stance, there's no nothing.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_09: There's no there's no get-go for an even.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_09: And and these types of things, I feel like a big difference is the fact that, as you just rightly said, you're teaching them about themselves, but that and the beauty about themselves and their culture, and that automatically is gonna add to their self-esteem, and in terms of how they feel themselves and see themselves, and add to the pride.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_09: I feel like there's a pride that's missing.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_07: That's right.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_09: Because we've got so people have knocked us down so much and hidden the beauty and the greatness about us.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_09: All you can do is get to a point, I guess, in terms of hanging your head low instead of holding your head up high.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_09: That's right, that's right.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_09: So, I guess the work that you're doing, as well as you know, other people like us, people would have seen on this podcast more the guests like when the hander was here, yeah, etc.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_09: Instilling that love back in ourselves and the community back in ourselves, and and I guess not feeling alone anymore, knowing that as I say, we're reconnecting with each other as well as the beauty that is our culture and what is us.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_09: I can definitely see that that would make a huge difference, and it would it would create a shift, I can imagine it would create a shift within people in terms of how they carry themselves and how they step out into the world and how they relate with other people.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_09: It's a whole energy shift, you know.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_09: No, I love that, and um, it's good that you're doing that, and and thank you for the work that you're doing as well.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_09: Because especially as a a male and you're a younger male as well, guys that are closer to your own um age group, or you're more approachable, they can relate to you because you know it's like you're talking man to man rather than a serious elder talking down.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, it's 100% right, definitely 100% right.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_09: That's right.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_09: That's right, 100%.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_09: What feedback have they given you?
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_09: Have they what have they is there anything that's that stands out in terms of what a young person has said to you in terms of the work that you're doing and how it's affected them and how it's making them feel?
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_08: See, a lot of the young men obviously that we've worked with within youth work, within obviously mentoring, a lot of them have said, you know what, this is helping us to talk more, obviously, like about our issues, you know, like on a personal level, where as men obviously where we don't talk, yeah, but this is helping us to talk.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, because we're not just sitting there in silence and being forced to talk, obviously, like everything's flowing at our own pace.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_08: So as long as that flow of being able to express ourselves obviously amongst our own people and not feeling no shame or embarrassment behind it, this can flow at its own pace.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_08: So, like, yeah, a lot of them obviously are feeling that they're gaining a lot of wisdom from myself and those obviously that in the setup as well.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_08: So it's a lot of wisdom, a lot of obviously steps of growth as well.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_08: Just yeah, just like just coming from a personal aspect of knowing that obviously you're not alone, yeah.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_08: And obviously, like that line of respects as well, that line of respect, obviously, where we know the boundaries, obviously, and we stick by the boundaries.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_09: So it's things like this that just has it just literally has my brain just spinning because I'm like, and the thing for me, I'm I'm a kind of person I'm like, how can I help?
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_09: What can I do?
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_09: What do you need from me?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_09: And obviously, at the same time, I have to manage myself and then I can't do everything because I can't help everybody.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_09: I'm just trying to think, what does it look like because it's a good thing that you're doing, and as you say, that your fellow organizations are doing it.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_09: I'm just like, how can we gel everyone together?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_09: And you may like make a strong fist, because at the moment it kind of feels like everyone's separate.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_09: So you're all doing great stuff, but you're all separate, you were parties, you know.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_09: I'm like, do we need to put on an event or something?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_08: Or obviously, potentially at some point, an event could be good there.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_08: I don't see why not.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_08: Or even then, because of the people that you're drawing in, yeah.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_08: If there's rivals, that could be yeah, yeah.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_08: Obviously, like that's tackling obviously another post-code situation, yeah.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_08: So postcode situations must be addressed before everyone's in the same room, right?
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_08: So you have to put it down on paper as if to say that this is gonna be an experience for you because you're from northwest, you're from south, or you're from east.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_08: So maybe you might not like each other, but you have to get to know each other on a personal level today.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_08: Because you're both experiencing something different to what he's experiencing.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_08: So if you can share that within an activity or even just talking on a platform, then I cannot.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_09: Do you guys have relationships with like okay?
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_09: Because we obviously we know this post-code wars, so obviously there's gonna be somebody somebody or somebody's at the top that owed the OGs, the elders, and stuff.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_09: So therefore everybody else listens to them and follows suit.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_09: Do you is there a possibility of you guys having relationships with these people to because everything that you just said, I get it, it makes sense.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_09: Are they open to that though, in terms of their mentality?
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_09: Do they see the bigger picture?
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_09: Because obviously everyone's they've they're operating and doing whatever they're doing for their own reasons, but obviously there's lives really being affected.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_07: That's right, that's right.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_09: And as much as people are doing what they need to be doing, I think there's definitely still levels of care because at the same time, yeah, yeah, they are like a family within themselves.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_07: That's right.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_09: So yeah, so I'm like in terms of the the people running things and wanting better for people who are working for them and doing whatever, are they open to the bigger picture?
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_09: And furthermore, can you guys even get to them?
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_09: Can you talk to them?
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_09: Are these can you access these people?
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_08: I'd say I'd say obviously at the moment there's there's a small percentage that we can accept that we can access and they're accessible obviously for coming around.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_08: Obviously, when it comes to solutions like this and obviously prospects of obviously like sharing obviously like what they feel and what needs to be changed, obviously, like within our community as young brothers.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_08: But I feel it's just a sense, like I said, it's a sense of trust in it.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_08: Obviously, like they obviously, if they feel that they trust us, they'll come around.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_08: If they feel that something's holding them back and they're not ready, they're not gonna come around.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_08: So it's it's a line of patience, in it just a line of patience, and just waiting for them obviously to come around.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_08: But yeah, it's patience.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_08: A lot of this is patience, yeah.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, but um, yeah, so that's that's that's one angle that we come from, and we also come from obviously like football as well, where because we know that football is another thing that brings a lot of our young black brothers together.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, so we use football as another tool to bring them together.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_08: That's another way where we try to tackle the postcodes, try to show them listen, it's not just about kicking the football, yeah.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_08: It's about you talking about what this football's doing for you.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_08: So when you're kicking this football, as b as brothers, should we say, as African or Caribbean brothers, or Nubian brothers, should we say, what's that football doing for you?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_08: Is it better to kick that football or hold a gun and point the gun at you?
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_08: Which is better?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_08: And they'll tell us.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_08: They'll say the football's better.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_08: Then some of them will say that.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_08: We have to pick up something for our protection on the streets.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_08: And then obviously they elaborate the reason why they feel protected by holding that knife.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_08: Because they've seen so many people become victims, as we're seeing on a constant basis now.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_08: There's a stabbing every day, or there's a gunshot every day.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_08: And then obviously we we turn to Sadiq Khan and say, look, Sadiq Khan obviously say for London.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_08: That's just a whole joke that is.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, it's just chatting.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_08: He's he's a puppet at the back.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_09: 100%.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_08: And he ain't gonna do nothing.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_08: Or the people that have even any glimpse of respect for him, you're wasting your time because he's manipulating everyone.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_08: There's a money-making pull.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_08: What you need to do is come around your people and forget about the dramas of the government.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_08: Because they're doing their scenario.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: He's government, Sadiq Khan's government.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: And he's not gonna help you the way you think.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Unless you're around unless you're one of his people, that is.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_08: But I'll mention obviously a few of the projects we got coming up.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_08: So we got a project called HDW Afro-Caribbean Tennis, obviously, like which we're gonna be in collaboration with an organization called Black Tennis Mentors.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_08: Again, that's for our community.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_09: That's so random, but I love it.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_08: So anyone obviously like who like anyone who likes tennis, you want to let off some steam, obviously, like if you're going through a time where your mental health is is not where it should be.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_08: Come and mingle with other young black brothers or sisters to come and enjoy the vibrations.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_08: Come and learn some new skills.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_09: Okay, nice guys because it's like what made how did you come with that idea?
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_08: Obviously, it's just just like spin at the spin of the moment.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, spin of the moment.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_08: It's just something that I've seen, you know.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_08: We don't really see much tennis, obviously, within the black community.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_08: We see obviously, of course, we see that the regulars, obviously, like the Venus will we see them.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, apart from them, we don't see anything outside of that amongst our own community alone.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_08: So I thought, you know what, there's an organization here that's obviously already started that black tennis mental.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_08: So we said, listen, why don't we not collaborate with these people and see what we can come up with?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_08: Where are they based?
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_08: They're based in Campbell.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_09: Mental health is mental health is such a thing.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_09: Um, and it's something I definitely highlight on this podcast.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_09: And I actually have a major project that I'm working on in line with mental health outside of this podcast, but I will tell you when we're off the camera because I'm not gonna announce it.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, also I know obviously that noise, no, also I know that within our community we have a lot of health issues, so like playing obviously active sports is needed rather than not having anything at all.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_08: Because I know that we're uh obviously a community that's very good at sports, definitely, but obviously tackling health is something that we must tackle as well.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_09: See, I just I had this conversation on the previous episode, like with people need people just need things to do.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_09: Um people need to be occupied.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_09: This is it, they just need something constructive to do and somewhere safe to go to do that, you know.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_09: Because as I was uh saying to my previous guest, Nahanda, you don't want to just be in the house, and it's unfair to even expect, especially young people, to just be locked up in the house because you feel like that's the safest place for them.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_09: People still need to go outside and go somewhere and do something, that's right.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_09: And this is when we were discussing in terms of youth centres and things that have been taken away, which would have back in the day been a place where young people could go be safe, still go learn something, still go and socially interact with their peers as well as others, and it was great.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_09: So, that being said, because that's something I really see as a major gap in especially British society, and I feel like it needs to come back.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_09: Would you agree?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_09: And if you agree, because this is something that you're actively doing, would you make that a thing to actually go back up to higher levels and be like, XYZ?
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_09: This is a fact of what we used to have.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_09: This is where I go crime was.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_09: This is clearly a major contributor to the decline that's happening socially.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_09: You like not see that?
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_09: How about we bring it back?
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_09: Take money out of the government putting, and because you want a solution, you could you like clearly clueless and don't have no solutions, or even if you do, you just don't care.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_09: It's a money-making thing, yeah.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_09: What do you think?
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_09: Is that a thing?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_08: I think it's something that yeah, I think it's something that needs to be tailored properly.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_08: Again, obviously, plan of action needs to be written on paper, and the right people that know that that platform, obviously, like from the way it was before, needs to be transferred into something that's unstoppable now.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_08: If that's really gonna happen.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_08: But yeah, no, that's a good incentive, obviously.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_08: But the right people need to be on on the ground for that or on the front line to make it happen.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_09: So there you go.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_09: It's a business for somebody who's more in the business and sort out youth centers.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_09: There you go.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_09: I'll give you that, I'll give you that for free.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_08: Obviously, with our voice.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, but we just need to tailor that in a different way and take action.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_08: All that power, obviously, that we've got and the structure.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_08: If we use that as a big collective, and we use it right, we're not talking about crime or nothing.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_08: We use it for drive and purpose, action, team building.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_08: And this is what we can do, and this is uh we pull together.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_08: Then that is gonna be a force to reckon with on a different level.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I see it so we talk about we're talking about all these Black Panther movements and all these other things, but we can but we can be that movement, but just on a different scale.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_09: It just means it just needs organization, that's all.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_09: We have to just get organized.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: We need people that are willing to be at the front of the hurdle.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: And that's and that uh risk taking that.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm one obviously for risk taking, that's what I do, what I do.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_08: I stand by that a lot, and I always I always say, listen, to a lot of the sisters in our community brothers, listen, if you're up for risk taking, then exact that's exactly what I want to see, and that's exactly what I like to hear.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_08: If I like that, obviously, then we can work.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_08: We can work.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_08: If if you're all about exactly where I'm coming from, obviously, like as an individual in the community, then I'm all ready to work.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_08: But yeah, we need to have a plan now, because we can't just be able to do that.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_08: Of course, the plan of action obviously like needs to be written down.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, and once that plan of action obviously has been agreed by all the parties on board or in place, yeah.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_08: We can work to execute that.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_08: Definitely.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_08: So that's pretty much obviously like the nutshell obviously like of street hardships, obviously, and what we're gonna be doing.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_08: Our response that's gonna be the nutshell of that program, right?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_08: And we want to achieve something from that program and still be putting that to action because it's not just about doing these programs, and then these programs, yeah, they run, they happen, people show up, they disappear.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_08: We want to see the run-ins, we we want to see the light bulb moment after that.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_08: We want to see the after-effects of these things being drilled into the young people and it's manifesting for them.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_08: Because as I said, obviously, being all about talk obviously is a waste of time.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_08: This is it.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_08: So I can't be all about talk.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_08: I have to be taking action.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, yeah, and that's what this podcast is about.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_09: It's for people who are taking action because the vision must be on the ground route, must be flowing division.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_08: Because without that vision, it's just hearsay.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_08: That's it.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_08: And hearsay, it's comedy, it's a joke.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, it's a joke.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_08: And me, obviously, that I'm not about comedy at all.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_08: So we've now got HDW, Afro-Caribbean, Kicks football tournament again for our community.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, that's another way where the youth can come together, obviously, not only kicking the ball, but they've got that roots and culture element where they know that this is not no gang they're against.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_08: This is them as young kings, obviously, that or young princes, as we say, coming together and using football as a tool to embrace that how they're feeling on that particular day, on how they can be feeling on a daily basis through using that tool.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_08: Right.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_08: The HEW's providing for them.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_08: And also obviously giving the parents obviously that some type of break as well.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_08: Right.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_08: Away from the madness that's going on for their sons.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_08: Or even if the parents want to come and see how this is helping their youth, they're welcome to be, they're welcome to be a part of it.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_08: Because we want more parents to come and see what's going on.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_08: Definitely, definitely.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_08: We want more parents to talk about what needs to be done.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_08: Share your stories with us and see how we can help.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_08: Because that's what we're here for.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_08: That's that's the whole reason why HCW is here.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_08: See how we can help in our community.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, absolutely.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_08: So any so any parents has got ideas to bring to the table, please do let me know.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_08: Love that.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_08: I know people I can link you up with.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_08: It's all good, man.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_08: Perfect, perfect.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_08: And obviously, like now, I'm gonna mention about another movement.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know if I've told you about this, but I've also got a movement.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_08: You're a busy guy.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_08: I love it.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, but I don't know if I told you about this, but yeah, I have got a I've got a major movement.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_08: Obviously, where I just started, obviously, just doing a few tournaments here and there, but now we're looking at a bigger scale now.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, so this movement is called the Pan-African Football League.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_08: Nice.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_08: But I'm looking to turn it into a Pan-African institute where I've got all the Saturdays.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_08: I'm sure you know about the Saturday schools that we've got.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_08: We've got quite a few African-led Saturday schools in London, and obviously the ones in Birmingham as well.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, so all these African-led Saturday schools, we want them on board.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_08: Nice because we because we know that they've got the ethos of what we're building.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, they follow those Mahat principles, they know about the Kemet, they know the key principles of where they're coming from.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_08: Definitely.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_08: They follow the Kwanzaa.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_08: It's embedded in them from when they were five.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_08: So Saturday schools they start from five to sixteen.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_08: Right.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_08: So that that knowledge and affrication is there.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_08: And those obviously that want to come and be a part of that, that movement is gonna be for them.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_08: Again, obviously, it's not just it's not just about kicking the football beyond that.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, it's about it's about our our community building our cult building our culture back up again.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, through football.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_09: And being together is the main thing.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_09: And I know and yeah, being together, and then through that.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_09: I think a good place for you to go is to um we've got the African African Center, yeah.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_09: I think it's near to is it near to Waterloo?
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah, like like yeah, kind of in between here.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_08: Waterloo South Bank here.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_08: That's it.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, so it's not far from Bury here.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_08: I've been there, been there once yeah.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_08: It's a bit, it's a good place and it's a good place.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_09: You know, then you're not having to do anything alone.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_09: 100%.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_08: I definitely, definitely, definitely something.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_08: It's definitely something that I'm thinking to tap back into at some point.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, man.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_08: Definitely at some point.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_09: Everyone just gonna need to just start linking up.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_09: Definitely, definitely, yeah.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_09: It's it's that much more powerful when we're working together.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_09: You use football as a mentoring tool, but what is like the deeper transformation that you're trying to achieve from that?
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_08: So deeper transformation I'm trying to achieve from that is show it, showing the youth that if you can use, if you learn something from the tools that we're obviously showing you and you're getting something from it, then you can create your own solution through that.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_09: I always say environment is everything, the right environment's what you need, yeah.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_09: And but the reality is there's a lot of people who can't just can't afford to move or whatever.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_09: So I'm like, of course, if we see that an environment is toxic and there's toxic behaviors happening there, yeah, yeah, it's a case of we have to put something in the environment to start cleansing it.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_09: And I'm like, in your in your thinking, what does that look like?
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_09: What what do you think could is a realistic um source that you can use to start cleaning up the environment?
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_09: People can't move, let's keep it real.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_09: England's expensive.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_09: It's like um, yeah, it's a whole story for it.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_08: I think obviously, like we obviously like I think we need our own housing association as our community.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_08: I think we need some type of housing for our community.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_08: Obviously, I can see that obviously, of course, a lot of us are having to get up and go out of the country or outside London.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_08: So we need some type of housing that can be presented to someone that works in the council and they support that.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_08: So that could help our community, obviously, on a housing level.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_08: I would say, but obviously, like from where you're coming from, I just say that we yeah, we need obviously that's one element is the housing we need, and the other element I'm saying is that it's having the role models that know that this work.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_09: I'm just I'm just trying to think because you know, one thing that we do have is a lot of property developers.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_08: We do, we've got a lot of people who are grouping big.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_08: But these property developers, we need them under one, we need them under one umbrella because they're all over the place at the moment.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_09: Keep it real.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_09: This is this is people's bread and butter, it's their business.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_09: People are making, I know personally know several people who are making millions from their their property portfolios and other people.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, and that and that bring it together, and that and that's a good look, obviously, and that's a and that's a good look on a good level.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, but housing association is something that we need for our community, right?
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_08: Because a lot of us are homeless on the streets, homelessness on the streets.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_08: That's a whole topic, and that and that is poverty.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_08: Definitely, and the people that do have money in our community because that there's a jurisdiction where they've signed contracts with the opposite community where they cannot their help is limited, right?
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_08: And if they help, they're penalised for helping their own community because they've signed a contract saying, look, I'll do minimal 20% for my community, but the rest goes to that community that's put me in the position I'm in now.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_09: That's mad, I never heard of that before.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_09: Okay, let's look into that.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, I know housing is like a major issue, so as I said, in environment, and then and that's not even just in London, it's not just in the world.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_09: That's globally, that's all over, all over the world, all over the world.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_09: Globally, and so I I hear you and I see you, but I'm like, what does that look like?
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_09: At the moment, it feels like a tall order.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_09: Because the thing is, I know certain places we can tap in to get the money for that, to be honest.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_09: But I'm like, who's gonna do it though?
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_09: Maybe that's something I need to put out, you know.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_08: Someone obviously like who's got the same type of passion like for action, like the way we like the way me I have myself.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_08: If someone's got that similar mindset to myself, being what you call like a goal getter or frontliner, and they're happy to put themselves up for the task, go ahead.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_08: That's what I say.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_08: Go ahead.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_08: Don't don't be ashamed of to put yourself at the front of the table.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_08: Because if you don't do it, who's gonna do it?
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_09: I hear you.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_09: So you see, with some of these like the young people, because we know at the same time a lot of things that are at home, yeah.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_09: So you know you can end up on the street.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_09: I'm like, what's happening in your in your house that you made it to the street, is what I'm saying.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_09: So I'm like, what have you seen in terms of homes and parents slash caregivers of these people?
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_09: Do they need some level of education, support, or whatever?
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_09: They need a hell of a lot, yeah.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, because I'm like, if you're coming I know certain families where people are not gonna end up on the road.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_09: No, no, no, of course.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_09: You know what I mean?
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, like literally um because they've got enough people contributing to their life.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_07: That's right.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_09: That even if the the parents or the um primary caregivers can't keep a grip of them, there's enough additional people in their life.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_09: That's right, that's right.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_09: To keep a grip on them so they don't make it outside them.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_09: So I'm like, because I'm very much a things that root level person I am.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_09: I'm like, what is the core of the problem?
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_09: Because we can be out here focusing on the things that that could um occur as a result of something.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_09: Um yeah, I'm like things stuck at home a lot of the time, and as you and as you've touched on in terms of care, Nahando and a previous um episode touched on as well in terms of a lot of the time we can't be overly focusing on the person who's gone rogue or the person who went upon the road or blah blah blah.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_09: They'd be like, hold on, where's this person coming from?
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_09: What's their foundation?
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_09: What's happening in their house?
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_09: Basically, we know there's a lot of work to do.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_09: Of course, of course.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_08: We know it's it's gonna have to get broken down into stages, into stages, yes, stage one, stage five, stage six, whatever, so on and so forth.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_08: That's it.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_09: Because yeah, a lot of problems that at home is what home are these people coming from?
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_09: What's the cult?
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_09: What's the culture like at home?
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_09: What is what is this?
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_09: What's the scenario at home?
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_09: Is there you know, is there neglect going on?
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_09: Is there the absence?
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_09: I know of people whose parents are just missing, they're just gone somewhere, disappeared into the wilderness, literally all of a sudden, yeah.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_09: You know, so therefore you can be like, You can't blame the youth because they're having to raise themselves, and then I know ones who have to then raise their their younger siblings as well, and it goes on and on and on.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_09: So we all so we already know that that then takes us over to the care system and social services and the gaps that's going on there, so that's a whole nother episode in itself.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_09: But I'm like, in terms of because you're actively doing work and you're helping the youth them, which is wonderful.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_08: Maybe there's like another branch you can integrate into what you're doing that people then step into the homes that these young people and see what's what's going on and see how it's because these homes need to be assessed, the workers need to be assessed, you need to be on, yeah, you need to be building reports with what's going on in these care homes.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_08: Reports need to be fully equipped and then reviewed shortly after that.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, but that's that's definitely an angle we need to come on on it on a different on a different frequency for sure.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_08: For sure.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_09: You know, like sometimes people have I know in past, I don't know if it's more of a thing right now where people kind of have a big brother, uh I guess it's mentoring, isn't it?
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_09: You have like a big brother type of standing dad, standing uncle type in your corner.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_08: In your corner, yeah, in your corner, yeah.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, is that something you could integrate integrate into what you're doing?
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_08: That's something obviously I'd say that we're kind of doing already, but it's something that I think obviously we need to push more in other areas where it's lacking for some people, which is something that, yeah, but we're we're progressing with currently now.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_09: Right, you're you're well done.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_09: Well done for stepping in to um to help, man, because there's a lot of work to be done.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_09: Um is there anything else that you'd like to share about your work?
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_08: So another thing obviously that I'd like to share about my works is that I want to see like this about African Saturday schools, obviously.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_08: I want to see an infrastructure, obviously, where those Saturday schools become a full-time institute for our young people, where rather than obviously not having a school to go to, you've got this school to go to.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_08: Because you're around your people, you're around what you're meant to be knowing, knowing who you are.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_08: So that's something that I want to see become a full-time thing within our community, because that we're not getting nowhere within the schools that we're sending our children to.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_09: How would you encourage people to go to them now?
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_09: Because we, as I've discussed in a previous episode.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_08: So, how would I encourage them?
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_08: So, how I would encourage uh parents obviously that don't know about the Saturday schools is that come and see me on a per come and see me on a personal level, reach out to me, I'll give you the knowledge that I know about the Saturday schools and things that I've seen, the aisle with the Saturday schools.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_08: And I'll tell you the importance of why your son or daughter needs to go there.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_08: And I'll tell you the importance of why we need to make it a full-time reality.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_08: Because again, obviously other communities have got their thing running full-time.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_08: So, why are we just running on a Saturday or just on a Monday one day a week or two days a week?
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_08: Right.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_08: We need that running at least four times a week.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_08: That's a lot of work, my friend.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_08: It is a lot of work, yeah.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_08: But if you're serious and we've got the right heads on it, then we can make it, I think.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_08: We just need collaboration.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_08: Collaboration and hard work is my middle name.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_08: Right.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_08: So we leave you to organize that then.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_08: Not not me or myself, not me or myself, but other other people other people on the ground.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_08: So people that are running the Saturday schools already, yeah.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_08: We need to put it all together as well.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_09: That's what I mean.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_09: So you're the one who's gonna put everyone together.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_09: That's it.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_09: That's it.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_09: Everyone on this show is now witness you say that.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, me, me, myself, volunteers, anyone who's on board, myself, we have to make it a reality now.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm down to do that.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_09: I like that, brilliant.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_09: Thank you so much for everything you're doing.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_09: I definitely send in all the positive vibes to you, man.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_09: Um, and covering over you.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_09: You're doing great work.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_09: I can see when you fully pull everybody together to support you, you know, you can make big moves.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_09: That's it.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_09: And um, thank you for showing up.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_09: No, I think we need more people like yourself in the community and taking action.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_08: Most definitely, most definitely.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_09: And on that note, another powerful episode.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_09: Um, please feel free to subscribe, share this episode with more people who need to hear it.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_09: Um, comment and let's have more conversations.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_09: Um with myself and brother Harold.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_09: We're here to talk to you and let's continue to pull together, take action and um make this thing happen.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_09: On that note, be blessed.