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[#8] Naked Awareness Spontaneously Arising (May 2026) · Lama Lena Teachings

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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, you are live.
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  SPEAKER_01: Good morning, everyone.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is our continuation of this period of time's Dzogchen text.
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  SPEAKER_01: Spontaneous Liberation by Guru Rinpoche.
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  SPEAKER_01: Chukku Kunduzangogamboy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dwarji Sempa Garab Dwarji Dang, Shere Singi
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  SPEAKER_02: Bardu Shin Labdi,
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  SPEAKER_02: De Dharma Zan Tata Tu Sum Chi, Dzogchen Jupe Lama La Sol La Wadib,
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  SPEAKER_02: Hergyen Pema Juni La Sol La Wadib,
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  SPEAKER_02: Dwarji Chang Chi Chilo Narudang,
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  SPEAKER_02: Marpa Milagompo Tatapa,
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  SPEAKER_02: Na Pupadang Palden Drupasuk, Kargyu Lama Namla Soluadeb,
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  SPEAKER_01: Ochen Lama Namla
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  SPEAKER_01: Soluadeb,
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  SPEAKER_01: Druchen
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  SPEAKER_02: Lama Namla Soluadeb,
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  SPEAKER_01: Shakyah, Lama,
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  SPEAKER_02: Nam, La, Solo, Ha, De,
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  SPEAKER_02: Shakyah, Lama, Nam, La, Solo,
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  SPEAKER_02: Ha, De, Shakyah, Lama, Nam, La, Solo,
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  SPEAKER_02: Ha, De,
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  SPEAKER_02: I have a joke for you all.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just
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  SPEAKER_01: now,
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  SPEAKER_01: While I was chanting the Guru Yoga Refuge,
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  SPEAKER_01: I was looking at a tigli and it wasn't moving.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, ah, how can I be like chanting and it not moving?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually making my chi move.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's weird.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I peered closer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fly on the curtain.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm going, my God, has it really stabilized while I'm chanting?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's never done that before.
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  SPEAKER_01: When your chi is moving, your tsa moves.
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  SPEAKER_01: The chi rides the tsa.
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  SPEAKER_01: When the tsa moves, the tiglies move.
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  SPEAKER_01: When your chi is fully settled in treksha,
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  SPEAKER_01: or in shine, let's say, With no thoughts,
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  SPEAKER_01: and the thoughts ride the chi, which ride the sa, which hold the tiglies,
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  SPEAKER_01: then the tiglies hold still.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can recognize a shine when the tiglies hold still.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes, when you are actually in treksha,
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  SPEAKER_01: where it is both shine,
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  SPEAKER_01: And thought, where you have actually completed the moving stillness,
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  SPEAKER_01: the Tiglis will stop moving.
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  SPEAKER_01: They'll just sit there in Trekkja.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you yourself must distinguish between Shinne and Trekkja,
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  SPEAKER_01: or rather in Mahamudra words, Shinne and Laktong,
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  SPEAKER_01: Direct seeing by whether the moving
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  SPEAKER_01: and the stillness exist
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  SPEAKER_01: as one thing simultaneously as both singularity and duality
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  SPEAKER_01: without conflicting itself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where you are able to think
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  SPEAKER_01: without the thoughts leaving any Apparent illusory residue.
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  SPEAKER_01: Without the thoughts disturbing the stillness at all, which is why the Tigglies are still.
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  SPEAKER_01: And yet without the stillness interfering with the thinking.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thinking while meditating the fullness of Treksha.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is much easier to do
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  SPEAKER_01: if you are well experienced in Shinnei.
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  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, you tend to,
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  SPEAKER_01: there are many ways in which you can fool yourself
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  SPEAKER_01: that you are in trekture and still thinking and in the stillness at the same time,
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  SPEAKER_01: but you really aren't quite.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your thoughts are still rippling.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your channels are still pointing at things.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is why Mahamudra is so much easier.
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  SPEAKER_01: For those who do not have some form of ADHD to begin with,
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  SPEAKER_01: it can be difficult with those whose minds just will not shut up.
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  SPEAKER_02: Then you have to go around the other way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Jump into the middle and drown a few times.
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  SPEAKER_01: Before you actually figure out how to swim.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's easier to stand in the shallow where somebody just teaches you emotions.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is why Maha Mudra is so nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: For those of you who can do shine, it makes the whole thing much easier.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that was your cookie.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's see, we did 10.
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  SPEAKER_01: Which simply repeatedly tells you to look at your mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: The key, not to think about your mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not to look at something with your eyes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your eyes are in the Dzogchen non-focus.
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  SPEAKER_01: Remember these points, when your channel is in alignment,
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  SPEAKER_01: when your channels are properly in alignment, your chi will settle itself naturally.
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  SPEAKER_01: When the chi settles, the thoughts will slow down.
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  SPEAKER_01: When they slow down, they're easier to work with.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's easier when you're first learning to drive a car.
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  SPEAKER_01: To drive slowly on the back roads and in a parking lot than it is to what I did,
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  SPEAKER_01: which was actually accidentally go over Highway 1's Devil's Pass in the rain
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  SPEAKER_01: in a storm because I couldn't figure out how to go over a lane to get off.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oops.
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  SPEAKER_01: My poor mama, who was teaching me to drive.
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  SPEAKER_01: A number of times they said to me and by a youth, both Lama and Mama,
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  SPEAKER_01: that someday I was going to grow up and have kids or students like me
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  SPEAKER_01: while laughing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, Chapter 10 is simply all
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  SPEAKER_01: about continuously resting
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  SPEAKER_01: into the emptiness nature of mind,
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  SPEAKER_01: Dharmakaya nature of mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: You do that with your eyeballs pointed straight ahead
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  SPEAKER_01: but not focused on anything.
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  SPEAKER_01: You start by letting them blur but after a time of that it's not exactly a blur
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  SPEAKER_01: and it's not exactly a point.
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  SPEAKER_01: Both the central vision and the peripheral vision become equally clear,
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  SPEAKER_01: is the way I would put it once you've got that right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not equally blurry, but equally clear.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're not clear like point focus, like when you're examining your fingerprints.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a different kind of clearness.
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  SPEAKER_01: You'll find it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your mind follows your gaze.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are so visually oriented as homo sapiens.
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  SPEAKER_01: We evolve to look for danger rather
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  SPEAKER_01: than smell for danger or listen for danger
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  SPEAKER_01: or even like certain things feel the ground vibration to know about danger.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it follows the eyes.
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  SPEAKER_01: What you do with the eyes is really important.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't close them.
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  SPEAKER_01: That will send you inward.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't look at things.
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  SPEAKER_01: That will send you outward.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is neither inside nor outside.
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  SPEAKER_01: Another direction altogether.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not above or below, to the left or the right, behind or in front, inside or outside.
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  SPEAKER_01: None of those.
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  SPEAKER_01: Something else.
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  SPEAKER_01: Since you are not habituated to looking in that other direction,
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  SPEAKER_01: it takes time to find it.
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  SPEAKER_01: What is that direction?
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  SPEAKER_01: How do you find it?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's where your thoughts are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Look at mind with mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not visually.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not even perceptually.
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  SPEAKER_01: For you are your mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: Your personality is made of all your decisions.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the experiences that arise from it
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  SPEAKER_01: Your experiences which create you
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  SPEAKER_01: as you are are
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  SPEAKER_01: a combination of thoughts,
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  SPEAKER_01: sensations of the six sense organs, the thoughts that ride the sensations,
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  SPEAKER_01: the feelings that ride the thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those three together are perceptions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Perceiving.
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  SPEAKER_01: And a perception, and another perception, and another perception linear in time,
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  SPEAKER_01: for a period of time, is an experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're a clump of experiences.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mind is where you notice your sensations.
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  SPEAKER_01: Note them, name them with thoughts, and have feelings of liking and disliking,
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  SPEAKER_01: which becomes much more complex as the story about them becomes more complex.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where all that happens, that's your mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: Turn the attention of your mind by wide opening it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your orifice of attention, open it wide.
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  SPEAKER_01: And allow your mind to experience itself.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was chapter 10.
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  SPEAKER_01: There exists no phenomena other than that which arises in the mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: Other than the meditation that occurs, where is the one who is meditating?
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  SPEAKER_01: When you see your mind with
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  SPEAKER_01: your mind, who sees?
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  SPEAKER_01: See the seer.
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  SPEAKER_01: The seer is the mind which sees itself the mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are disassociated.
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  SPEAKER_01: You think there's a you in your mind and you possess your mind and somehow you're
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  SPEAKER_01: in charge of your mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
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  SPEAKER_01: The tone of your mind, the feel of your mind,
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  SPEAKER_01: the thoughts of your mind are created
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  SPEAKER_01: by your past experiences which you create
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  SPEAKER_01: with your mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: You ever see those paintings of someone painting a painting of someone painting
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  SPEAKER_01: a painting of someone painting a painting of someone painting a painting?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Artists, I'd love one of those if you feel like getting creative.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just a little one on paper, put up on the wall.
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  SPEAKER_01: So your mind is meditating on your mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mind sees itself, recognizes itself as it is,
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  SPEAKER_01: and relaxes into that.
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  SPEAKER_01: There exists no phenomena other than that what arises from the mind,
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  SPEAKER_01: other than the behaviors that occur as a result of the thoughts which decide what
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  SPEAKER_01: to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where is the one who is behaving?
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  SPEAKER_01: In your mind, you are trying to decide.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whether to go out this afternoon or remain in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whether to purchase a such and such or not.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you think about how much money you have, whether you really need that,
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  SPEAKER_01: whether you have somewhere to store it, whether you feel like going out,
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  SPEAKER_01: what's the weather doing?
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  SPEAKER_01: You think all these things in your mind, with your mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: With your senses, you feel around to decide also.
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  SPEAKER_01: You sense things like what is the weather.
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  SPEAKER_01: You look at the computer to see what's in your bank account.
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  SPEAKER_01: You look at the shelves or the kitchen cabinets to see if you have a place
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  SPEAKER_01: to store it or how much room is left in the fridge.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of these you do with your senses, then you think about them.
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  SPEAKER_01: The thinker, the mind, mind thinks about them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mind makes a decision.
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  SPEAKER_01: Body does the results of the decision made by mind,
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  SPEAKER_01: causing experiences,
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  SPEAKER_01: linear perceptions in a clump to arise.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you decide to go out and you accidentally run over a cat and it's traumatic
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  SPEAKER_01: for you and the cat.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the people whose cat it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: And a whole mess occurs because you went out to buy a watermelon.
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  SPEAKER_01: You never know.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can't predict it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who makes these choices but a clump of thoughts,
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  SPEAKER_01: feelings, perceptions, experiences?
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  SPEAKER_01: Who's in there?
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  SPEAKER_01: Who's the you who's having the thoughts, feelings, and experiences?
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  SPEAKER_01: What is that you made out of?
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  SPEAKER_01: Go find it.
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  SPEAKER_01: The name of this practice is Rangrik.
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  SPEAKER_01: Self-seeing, self-looking.
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  SPEAKER_01: Rang, self.
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  SPEAKER_01: Rik, to see, like in Rigpa, the seer.
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  SPEAKER_01: So who is the one who is doing the things that causes the experience?
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  SPEAKER_01: The clump of experiences, is it not?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you have choices in here?
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  SPEAKER_01: But the choices you make are made according to your past experiences.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're the ones that inform you that you can make this choice or that choice.
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  SPEAKER_01: But they don't inform you that this choice exists because it's not in your past experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: There exists no phenomena
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  SPEAKER_02: other than what arises in the mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: Other than the Samaya vow that occurs.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where is the one that is guarding it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Samaya, Relationship.
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  SPEAKER_01: Relationship with the Dharma and with your teacher.
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  SPEAKER_01: Guard it well, for it's your ticket out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Out is in.
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  SPEAKER_01: There exists no phenomena other than what arises from the mind,
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  SPEAKER_01: other than the fruition that occurs.
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  SPEAKER_02: Where is the one who is realizing the fruit?
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  SPEAKER_01: Fruition refers to enlightenment here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who gets enlightened?
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  SPEAKER_01: What gets enlightened?
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  SPEAKER_01: Does something get enlightened?
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  SPEAKER_01: Go look.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who's trying to get enlightened?
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  SPEAKER_01: Who's doing all these practices to escape the mundanity of the gray worlds of the hustle?
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  SPEAKER_01: Go look.
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  SPEAKER_01: You should look at your own mind, observing it again and again and again.
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  SPEAKER_01: Key here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't think about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't add thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't get all tangled up in the feelings that will arise
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  SPEAKER_01: when you do this of hope and fear.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't worry about your perceptions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just look again and again and again
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  SPEAKER_01: Find the looker.
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  SPEAKER_01: You got homework.
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  SPEAKER_01: Questions here?
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a few.
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  SPEAKER_01: Give me on topic.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is this practice just a matter of trust that the lack
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  SPEAKER_00: of any particular experience goes on till months, years, or lifetimes later,
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  SPEAKER_00: a happy accident occurs?
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the act of looking again and again.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is not just of trust.
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  SPEAKER_01: Trust involves belief systems.
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  SPEAKER_01: You believe that there is such a thing as enlightenment.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is go look for yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hoo, hoo, hoo.
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  SPEAKER_01: You want to do it with a power animal?
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  SPEAKER_01: Top shelf deer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not the double-breasted chicken, yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the double-breasted chicken is funny.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is going to help you remember.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who sees that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Who feels that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Who thinks that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Although I can tell you out loud.
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  SPEAKER_01: That there is no thinker other than the thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is no feeler other than the feelings.
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  SPEAKER_01: No seer other than seeing.
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  SPEAKER_01: No perceiver other than the perceptions
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  SPEAKER_01: and no experiencer other than the clump of experiences.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can tell you that.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's worth diddly squat.
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  SPEAKER_01: Won't get you on the subway even.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, old New Yorker.
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  SPEAKER_01: You gotta see it for yourself real clear, which is why don't use trust.
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  SPEAKER_01: Use curiosity.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wonder
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  SPEAKER_01: If what she said is so, I won't know until I finish looking,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I won't finish looking until I see.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm going to keep looking to find out.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're far past trust here in Dzogchen.
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  SPEAKER_01: He ain't trusting nothing here, no faith.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're stepping past our belief systems in God,
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  SPEAKER_01: in the world, In gods, in the world, in everything. Those are fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those are dreamscapes.
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  SPEAKER_01: You play with them.
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  SPEAKER_01: You go on a fantasy over a beer
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  SPEAKER_01: with somebody pretending that the snake people
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  SPEAKER_01: of the desert are chasing you and you go play cowboys and robbers out
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  SPEAKER_01: in the desert running from the snake people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: It isn't real.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's play.
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  SPEAKER_01: All the stories about what's going on are just playful.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can have them.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can line your hat with tinfoil because it's fun to be trying to keep the CIA
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  SPEAKER_01: from hearing you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not because you really think they're listening through your feelings,
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  SPEAKER_01: but it's kind of fun to make that pretend.
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  SPEAKER_01: Creativity.
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  SPEAKER_01: In creating lives.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everybody does that.
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  SPEAKER_01: They make belief systems.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't fall in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_00: One question is, I have strong ADHD,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I have had spontaneous glimpses
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  SPEAKER_00: of seeing emptiness while I was in movement.
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  SPEAKER_00: Any advice on the practice to deepen these glimpses?
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  SPEAKER_01: When it happens, sit down and see if you can relax into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: On a wall, on a bench,
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  SPEAKER_01: on a tree stump, in a cafe,
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  SPEAKER_01: on the ground if you're in a park.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you think you can bring it on while walking, doing walking meditation,
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  SPEAKER_01: go do that in the park.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when it happens, sit down and see if you can relax into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you are walking, your chi is going to still continue moving.
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  SPEAKER_01: For this, take your double mind that needs to do two things at once.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have one of them look at the moving, the other one look at the stillness,
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  SPEAKER_01: and try to see the sameness in the two.
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  SPEAKER_01: So one part of your, because you like to do two things at once,
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  SPEAKER_01: you seem to have the kind that wants to, can't just do one thing,
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  SPEAKER_01: needs to twiddle it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you've got the type of ADHD that needs to twiddle it,
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  SPEAKER_01: one part of your mind twiddles the moving,
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  SPEAKER_01: And one part of your mind relaxes into the stillness.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: And when you've got both balanced evenly, you bring them together as a singularity.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: Try that one.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: One moment while I find it.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: Every now and then, everything starts to vanish.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: All the senses seem to dissolve, especially when I'm driving or walking.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to mess around with it.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: Any advice?
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: Pull over.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: Pull over to the curb immediately.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: If you're walking, sit down.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: You may have a form of petite mal epilepsy, which can cause this sensation.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: Or you may be having a meditative accident of falling into shiné unintentionally due
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: to past life practices.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: So first, talk to an MD about these experiences.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Don't mention while driving.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: They'll take your license away.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: But let's find out if it is petite mal, in which case you really shouldn't be driving.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: Or if it's a meditative accident,
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: tell the doctor your guru sent you because you reported these experiences
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: and they needed to rule out this having a physical cause before working with it
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: as a meditative accident.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: And would they run you an EKG and check for petite mal seizures?
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's not likely to be that,
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: but I'd hate to try to fix it with practices if it was
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: that, because that won't work.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: Next question.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: One of our Spanish viewers asks,
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: so when you look around and don't see anyone, do you wake up?
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Do you not remember the Zen saying,
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water?
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing happens.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: Don't you understand?
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  SPEAKER_01: Everything opens.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: 10,000 billion universes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right here, right now.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: Do not try to build a belief system around what you think is gonna happen.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: You'll screw it up on yourself.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you saw the clarification,
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: The question was about looking inside and not finding anyone.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: And?
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: Just adding that to the...
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: The question was about looking inside
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: and not seeing anybody there.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, look outside and make sure they're not out there anywhere, too.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: Who didn't see anybody?
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: Keep looking.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: Who is having the experience of looking inside and not seeing anybody?
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: Remember the painting of the painter painting the painting?
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: Of the painter painting the painting?
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: Of the painter painting the painting?
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: I had one in a children's book on the cover.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: I was very small.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: I used to stare at it for hours.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, one more and we're going to go on.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: The question is, how can we react less or be less distracted
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: to the pain slash discharge that comes from completely letting go?
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: Pain?
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's very relaxing.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: If you are getting pain from the release there,
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: I would recommend some Vajrasattva
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: to smooth out whatever cricks there are
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: in the channel that she is now sometimes going through.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's not supposed to hurt.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: Hurting is, in this case, your body telling yourself that it has a problem somewhere.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Pain in Chinese medicine Asian medicine, which includes Tibetan,
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: is clogs in the channel and the chi bumping into the clogs.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: Stagnation hurts.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: There are two things you can do about stagnation.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: You can either slow the chi down so it doesn't bump as hard,
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: but then that diminishes your energy levels.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: Or you can find ways to flush that through.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: So, Vajrasattva and prostrations, both,
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: are really powerful ways of flushing it through.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: Prostrations, whole body exercise,
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: with qi running up and down in it.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: If you will look online in the nundro that I have taught,
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: it tells you how to do your prostration so that the qi goes...
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like a toilet plunger on you.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Body, speech, and mind of all Buddhas.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Standing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Recognize yourself as being all Buddhas of the four times, among and is.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: Until that, after a moment, seems to wear off in your fucked up self again.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: Gathering up your body, speech, and mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: And offering it to all Buddhas of the four times.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: Clean, clear, standing up as all Buddhas of the four times, body, speech, and mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: Standing there with that for the moment that it lasts.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: When your ignorance asserts itself again with
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: thoughts and
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: gathering it up by body,
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: by speech, by mind, offering it to all Buddhas of the four times, letting
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: it all go, goes out, goes to the lineage tree, standing up as that,
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: the entire lineage tree of all Buddhas of the four times.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: Rest in that while standing. Horse stance.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Don't lock your knees.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: That should clear it.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: See, it's not just the going up and down when you do prostrations.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's the mental, visual aspect as well.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just saying Vajrasattva's mantra.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's feeling that We used to call it conditioner.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's like silky like hair conditioner entering your central channel.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: And you know how if you've been riding on a motorcycle without a helmet
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: and then you've got to get that out of your hair?
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: Or if you've been up in a cave for a month and haven't bothered to comb it
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: and you want to actually now comb it and not a chance, it's gone and matted.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: You wet it down and you put massive amounts of conditioner in it.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: So that's going on inside all this stuff.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: Slippery, smooth white light is going in your central channel
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: and from all your chakras spreading out through all the little channels
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_02: and smoothing
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: them so you can get a comb through.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: And filling you with that light.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: Very powerful, but you've got to feel it.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: Think it.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: Perceive it while you're doing it, both of them.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: Either of these should take care of the problem and then you come back to Dzogchen.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: In the old days, not in Tantra but in Dzogchen,
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: nundros were not always required for every person.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: It depended on their circumstances and their needs.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes only one or two practices.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: Vajrasattva removes the doubts and guilts that clog you up.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: Prostrations deals with the egocentric bits of thinking you're wonderful
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: or thinking you're terrible.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: Really, Michael, you should do some.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Mandala dislocates you in the time-space continuum if done properly.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: Guru Yoga, the final piece,
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: merges your mind with the lineage.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's damn useful, but you gotta do it right.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: The only reason we say 100,000 of each is because it usually takes that many
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: for somebody to get an entire mala round of ones done properly,
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: which is really all it takes.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: One mala round done properly, 108.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: Keep doing until you've managed that.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: Simple.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to do the next chapter while Nyandru can bring me more coffee.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's apparently a three cup morning.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: Lilith, do you need coffee?
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, I'll follow you. Okay.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: You You'll hear this from the kitchen.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: This is chapter 12.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: When you look upward into the space of the sky outside yourself,
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: if there are no thoughts occurring that are emanations being projected,
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: And when you look inward at your own mind inside yourself,
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: if there exists no projectionist who projects thoughts by thinking them,
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: then your own subtle mind will become lucidly clear
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: without anything being projected.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: So guys, this is another exercise.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: Put on a hat.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: You do this with a hat.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: It is very important in the Tibetan system not
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: to let the sun shine on your head
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: while practicing out of doors.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: This is probably due to the altitude.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: Just to be safe, even if we're at sea level, let's follow it.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: So go out somewhere, down by the bayou is a good spot.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: Morning and evening, when the shadow of the tree is long,
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: if you lie down on your back on a carpet,
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: because there's prickly things in the grass, so you bring out a carpet,
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: a blanket or something, picnic blanket, lie down on your back,
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: And look up at the sky.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: If you can get high enough, if you have a mountainside nearby,
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: which we don't here in the swamps of Louisiana,
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: then go on top of a mountain and look straight ahead at the sky.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: Or a cliff over the ocean works good for that too.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: Either way.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: You can do it sitting if you can find a spot that you can do it sitting.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: You can do it lying on your back.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: Let your gaze do the Zogchen gaze, which is straight ahead from your nose.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're lying on your back, it's straight up.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: Your head's in the shadow of the tree.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: So there's no sun on your head,
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: but it's blue sky overhead because it's morning or evening, so the shadow's long.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: You can use an umbrella instead of a tree.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: Or a hat just, you know, shading you a little bit.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: But a hat's going to be hard at that point.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: Hats are good for when you do it sitting, not lying on your back.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: I like tree shadows for this.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: Relax.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: Relax all your muscles and gaze into the empty sky.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: Remain awake.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: So don't do this when you're short of sleep or you're just going
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: to fall right asleep while you're doing it.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: Let your eyes rest in the sky.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: Until your thoughts finish themselves and aren't bothering much.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: They are not distracting you.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: You're not really thinking much.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's not exactly shiny.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: There's no focus.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: You've got the Zogchen gaze going but aimed at the sky.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing stimulating your eyes.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: Do stop thinking about the sky after a while.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: This takes a while.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: You lie there until you stop telling yourself stories about what you're doing.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: Relax into a sort of a open treachery with your eyes aimed at the sky.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: Until no thing appears to be happening.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: Let your internal display run down, which it will project on the sky.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: Some people, when they first do that,
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: they see faces and they watch the tigglies drift by and they're all very busy
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: for a while.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: So you got to keep doing this until you finally relax and stop doing shit around it.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: First, it's all exciting.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: I got a new practice, a new position.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's not going to work that day.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: Keep at it.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: Until it becomes ordinary and you relax into it and you stop telling yourself stories about it.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: Once it's not doing anything,
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: look at the seer of it, the experiencer of it not doing anything.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: If you are not creating anything out of it,
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: then there is no creator
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: to create those thoughts by thinking them.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: If you're not thinking, there is no thinker.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: Is there something else in there?
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: Don't think about that.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: Feel for it.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: If you do this properly, your own subtle mind will become lucidly clear
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: without anything being projected.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: Since the clear light of your own intrinsic awareness is empty, it is the Dharmakaya.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: This is like the apex of the sky when the sun rises.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: A clear, cloudless, illuminated sky.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: Even though this light cannot be said to possess a particular shape or form,
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: nevertheless it can be fully known.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_01: The meaning of this, whether or not it is understood, is incredibly significant.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking here about rigor.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: The seer.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: Seeing itself as the innate vitality of the universe.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: But that's a story.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: I took something that was without words and put words upon it to point at it.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: Hand me my bell.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: There's one up on a shelf there.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_01: This is a bell.
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  SPEAKER_01: It rings.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: This is a finger.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: It points at the bell.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't ring.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: And it never will.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: Please understand the difference between a finger and a bell.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: This is vitally important.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: All the words I give you, all the words you're finding in the book are fingers.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: Only by doing the practices yourself can you find the bell it points at.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: Questions?
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: One question is, I looked, And nobody is there, I suppose.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_00: And at that moment, everything collapses for a brief moment and everything comes back again.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_00: So is this the practice we should repeat again and again?
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: Because right now you suppose.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: The reason it collapses is because you then think about it and suppose about it.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: You stop that. Just do the practice.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_01: Try not to talk to yourself about what happens in your practices.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: Unless you're asking your teacher a question, and even then,
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: use as few words as possible.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_01: Show them mentally.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_01: I have to have you in one of the small groups to hear you well.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's just how I focus in.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: Rather than telling me a whole big story about the experience and the practice,
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_01: use about four words to give the experience and the practice and then return
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: to that experience mentally and sit in it.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_01: I will ask any questions I need to specifically,
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_01: but that's a lot easier to to see what you're talking about than fishing
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: through and it came from the left and it moved to the right and it did this
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: and then it did this other thing and it was on a Tuesday you see and it might be
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: because I had this for breakfast.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_02: Mercy.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_00: Next question.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: One of our Spanish viewers asks, I tried searching but didn't find anything.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's as if the search itself is what you're trying to find.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_00: And since that's impossible,
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: you eventually have to reach a point where you have to give up the search.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_01: Don't give up.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: Not yet.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: Rest and relax in the not finding.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: Remain there.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: If it moves, it's moving.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: Guess what?
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: The signs of a nyam are that they move.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_01: Comes and goes is what they're called in Japanese.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_01: Because they come and go.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: Never trust anything that's moving.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_01: Don't take refuge in anything that's moving.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because it will drop you on your head at the wrong time.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: One moment.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: Let me know if we run out of good questions.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: No, this question was posted in two different versions.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let me give you version one.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_00: If there is nothing other than phenomena which arises in the mind and none other
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: than experience, are we not always looking at or with the mind?
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_00: Can mind see itself as fire does not burn itself?
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_01: Fire consumes itself and goes out.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_01: I know what you're trying to say, though.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_01: I was just arguing your analogy.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, mind can see itself.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_01: It will be very surprised, but yes, it can.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_00: So the version two was, if there is only what arises in the mind,
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: are we not always looking at or hearing the bell?
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, but rarely noticing it.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_01: Remember from Flight of the Garuda,
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_01: the great roar of the dragon pervades all of samsara and nirvana?
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_01: How can you possibly not hear it?
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's too ordinary for you to notice and bother with.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_01: You want something fancy.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_01: Something that makes your ego feel good.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_01: Something that makes you better than the others.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: Higher.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_01: Give you a throne.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know how uncomfortable those fuckers are?
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_01: Try one once.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_01: They're just a piece of hard wood.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_01: They don't even have cushions on them, just a carpet.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: And there's really no good backrest.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: And your table's too far away.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_01: Not worth the effort.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: Let's see.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_00: Can you speak more about separating samsara from nirvana after Tultra and Aljor?
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_01: It comes before Trul Tranaljor, not after.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: And all it is is you becoming very clear, your own self,
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: by experience and by looking, what moves and what does not.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: It is the first step after Shiné without an object is accomplished.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: In Mahamudra, you have Sine with an object.
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  SPEAKER_01: At some point, you throw the object away and you remain doing Sine.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's Sine without an object.
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  SPEAKER_01: Resting without any thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: Single focus on the stillness.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now you begin noticing that the moving continues to exist even while you are single focused.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: On the stillness, you start becoming clear where they are different.
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  SPEAKER_01: What moves?
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_01: Thoughts move. You know that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Feelings move.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_01: Sensations move. They change.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: What changes and what doesn't may be said the same way as what moves and what doesn't.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same meaning here.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_01: Thoughts change, feelings change, sensations change from time to time.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: Since perceptions are a clump of those three, your perceptions change.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: So you will never stabilize a perception.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: If you think the perception of Dharmakaya nature of mind is what you're supposed
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  SPEAKER_01: to stabilize, you'll end up trying for several years.
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  SPEAKER_01: Without success.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's the Zogchen pitfall because they don't do this first.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_01: They do this after they try for several years without success.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_01: It makes them go in circles so fast
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_01: that when you finally poing them, they fall in.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_01: If you're lucky.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_01: If they're lucky.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_01: If they poing right.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_01: Usually teachers end up poinging you totally by accident.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it works. Sometimes students run away screaming.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_01: I've run away screaming a few times from Rinpoche.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_01: He laughs.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_01: Samaya was strong enough I always came back.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_01: So since perceptions are moving,
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: the perception of Tawa moves.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_01: Since Tawa is Dharmakaya, nature of mind, it is of the nature of stillness.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_01: Your perception of stillness moves.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_01: You can stabilize it.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_01: What will stabilize?
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_00: The question is,
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_00: if everything is stationary for this one, especially the Tawa,
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_00: except thoughts slash emotions slash clusters of emotions, i.e.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_00: perceptions, why am I still not like you is at peace?
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_01: Because you still desire peace.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_01: For as long as there is something you want, you prefer,
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_01: and something you want to get away from, bumpies,
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  SPEAKER_01: smooth, peace, om shanty,
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: and bumpy, not peace, ba-doing, ba-doing, ba-doing, ba-doing.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_01: When you have a preference between those two, it won't turn over.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_01: Give up.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_01: You're never going to get it.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_01: What you're chasing.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_01: The very act of chasing it makes it run.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_01: You're never going to get away from what you're fleeing.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they tell you if you see a wild carnivore on the mountainside, don't run.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: Don't run from bears, they'll chase you.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_01: If you run from anything, it'll chase you.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_01: A squirrel will chase you if you run away from it.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen it happen.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_01: Remembering, seeing certain unlikely things, chasing things that ran.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_01: I once chased a horde of suited Indian men,
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_01: probably about 20 of them,
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_01: down a beach for about a mile when I was stark naked.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think I had a belt or a stick in my hand that I was swinging.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_01: They all ran.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_01: I was way outnumbered.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_01: If they'd stopped to think for a minute, I didn't stand a chance.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_01: If you chase it, it'll run.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_01: If I had ran from those guys, bad deal.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_01: That was way too many.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_01: So, really, you're going to have to give up.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_01: Your hopes and fears.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_01: Can you?
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_01: You think there are no bumps out here?
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_01: My goodness, that would be boring.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_01: You should have seen me trying to die in India last year.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, God, was I sick.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Misha, for keeping me alive until I could take care of it.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_00: The question is, how deep does our self-deception go and how to overcome it?
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_01: All the way it goes.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_01: You don't need to overcome it.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_01: You don't need to make it go away.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_01: Don't run away from your self-deception.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_01: Don't try to beat it down.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_01: Giggle at it.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_01: And leave it be what it is.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_01: It never was anything at all.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_01: None of this shit that bothers you is made of anything.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_01: None of your issues are real.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_01: Trying to survive your survival reflex probably causes most of them
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_01: and your temper causes the rest.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_00: Give up.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_01: Don't throw.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: That feeds it energy.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_01: Don't grab that feeds it energy.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_01: Just let go.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_01: Let go.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_01: Relax.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_01: Leave it be. Don't pick it up again.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_01: Include a giggle.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_01: Humor is the lube and you always need plenty of lube.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_00: One moment.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_00: One question is, is mind and awareness synonyms here in the sense
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_00: the awareness is being aware of the things arising in it.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_00: And the practice is when awareness is being aware of itself.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's the question.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_01: Not synonyms.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_01: These two fingers from other directions point at my nose.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_01: Same nose, but they're not pointing in exactly the same direction.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I wouldn't say synonyms, but I would say they are two words referring you
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_01: to the same thing, which is beyond all words.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_01: Two ways of thinking about it.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_01: Awareness, seer, mind,
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_01: sem, or rather big mind, sem,
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_01: ny,
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_01: refer to the same thing.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_01: One more question, if you have a good one, and then I'm going to go on with one more chapter.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_00: The question is, someone in chronic anxiety states,
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_00: Comes to me regularly for support.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_00: Her biochemistry creates dream worlds that grip her and reinforce the anxiety.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_00: How can I assist her?
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_01: Take her to a psychiatrist who can help her deal with the biochemistry chemically.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's the answer.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_01: If your biochemistry is off,
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_01: You need to do something about that.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_01: There's different kinds of depressions.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_01: There's biochemical depressions and situational depressions.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_01: Or anxieties also.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_01: The situational ones...
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_01: That happened to say when you're over in the sandbox
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_01: as a military guy or woman,
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_01: when you're in battle, when you're in a war zone, you get anxiety.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, fuck yeah.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_01: And yet, if you're there long enough,
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_01: those on gates in your,
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_01: Nervous system gets stuck on and you come back with an anxiety disorder.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_01: By this time it's gone chemical even though it was situational to begin with.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_01: Take the fucking meds.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_01: Fix it chemically and then you can get behind it and push.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_01: And for the Spanish question, I'm the idiot Lena.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I was gonna, well, I'll take one and then I'll do this.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think we've gone through all the questions on this topic.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_00: There's one about not being able to let go.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_00: We can't let go.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_01: Nundro.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_01: If any of these instructions are something you can't actually do, take a step back,
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_01: talk to Dorit or me by email,
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_01: and let's find out what practice you can do to clear the glitch.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_01: Simple.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_01: Fix it.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not everybody can do all these practices right away,
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_01: and if you want to do them but can't,
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_01: then you do another practice to fix the problem so that you can do this.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_01: That seems so simple.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_01: Here's chapter 13, and that will be our last for today.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_01: This self-originated clear light, self-originated,
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_01: no cause, created itself.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_01: It has no cause.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_01: It has nothing that pre-caused it.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: The universe, as is perceived,
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_01: Indra's web, form, self-originated.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_01: Clear light, self originated.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_01: Which was from the very beginning was in no way produced by something before it.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_01: It is the child of awareness.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_01: And yet it is itself without any parents, how amazing.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_01: It is created by awareness.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_01: And yet it was never created.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_01: This self originated primordial awareness has not been created by anything.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_01: It does not experience birth, nor does there exist a cause for its death.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_01: How amazing.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_01: Unborn, undying.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_01: You.
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_01: Not little you.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_01: The personality, which is a clump of experiences and therefore moving and changing.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_01: Big you.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_01: Open awareness.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_01: There is no death.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: There is no end.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_01: There was no beginning.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_01: This is why I tell you to give up.
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_01: You're trying to find the end of samsara
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_02: and the beginning of nirvana.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_01: This is a joke.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_01: Although it is evidently visible, Yet there is no one there who seems to see it.
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_01: Although it has wandered throughout samsara, it has come to no harm.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_01: You cannot break awareness.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Personality, sure.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_01: You can ding them up all over the place.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_01: PTSD is real to the person experiencing it.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_01: They feel that.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_00: Big U.
• 1:12:18
  SPEAKER_00: Utterly invulnerable and unshakable.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_01: And you don't have to put it there.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_01: It is spontaneously self-originated,
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_01: uncreated by any cause.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_01: So you do not have to put forth any effort whatsoever for it to exist.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_01: How amazing.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_01: Even though it has seen Buddhahood itself,
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_01: it has not come to any benefit from this.
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_01: How amazing.
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_01: Unchanged.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uncreated.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Not an accomplishment.
• 1:13:26
  SPEAKER_01: Give up.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_01: But don't shove.
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Don't give up and throw away the Dharma.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_01: Just let go and stop scrabbling and grabbing for enlightenment.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_01: Don't throw away your practice.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Stop judging and stressing about it.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_01: Do it with ease.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Even though it exists in everyone everywhere.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yet it has gone unrecognized and unnoticed.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_02: Truly amazing.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_01: Nonetheless, you hope to attain some other fruit than this elsewhere.
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_01: Trying to get powers and magics and wows.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's amazing too.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_01: Even though it exists within yourself and nowhere else,
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_01: yet you travel the world seeking it.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh well, that was a lot of fun anyway.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay to have fun.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, they're not two different things, big mind and little mind.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_01: Personality
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_01: is not the same as awareness.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I refer to personality.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_01: As little mind, but it's not really mind.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's just this clump of crap called thoughts,
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_01: feelings, and perceptions, sensations,
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_01: and none of it's real, and you can't keep any of it.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_01: So there's personality.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_01: Awareness includes personality, but is not limited by it.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_01: For example, you are aware of your personality.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_01: I've never seen a Lama that didn't have one.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're noticeable.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_01: You're aware of yours and everybody else's, although you probably guess wrong about theirs.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_01: You probably guess wrong about your own, too.
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_01: On a good day, you think it's this, and on a bad day, you think it's that.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's just personality, tish-tosh, thoughts.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Awareness.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_01: Aware of that.
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_01: But is not limited in any way by that.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_00: The question is, do you think humans will ever get to the evolutionary point
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_00: where we collectively can let go?
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_00: And if so, what kind of shift will occur?
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_00: What's your dream?
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_01: Don't know.
• 1:17:13
  SPEAKER_01: Not particularly patriotic to Homo sapiens.
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure something will somewhere.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Whether Homo sapiens does that, oh fuck, we're still monkeys.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_01: What was it?
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_01: A demoness and a monkey mated and that made people.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_01: Makes sense to me.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_01: The only difference between demonesses and goddesses is how you feel about them.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_01: Apparently the monkeys weren't all that sure, which is why it was called a demoness.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Not sure that mating was consensual.
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_01: Wasn't there.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_00: Surprisingly, we may be running to the end of questions today.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, it was that kind of a teaching.
• 1:18:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think we may be at the end, guys.
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_01: Go do your homework.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Chapter 11.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_01: How does it all arise?
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Don't think about it.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_01: Look.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Chapter 12, working with the empty sky and look again.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Chapter 13, begin getting the joke and start laughing.
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_01: You will find this text where, somebody put into chat where you can get it.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's somewhere online.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_00: There is one more question.
• 1:19:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, wait a minute.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_01: This is, I'll tell you the title, the official title you should look it up as.
• 1:19:24
  SPEAKER_01: Self-liberation through seeing with naked awareness.
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_01: The text I have is in English and Chinese.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of Rinpoche's favorites, Wong Do Rinpoche.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think he taught it over in China.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Hong Kong.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_01: Give me the one more question.
• 1:19:52
  SPEAKER_00: The question is, why are these teachings said
• 1:19:56
  SPEAKER_00: to be guarded by bikinis and protectors?
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Some people are highly offended by these teachings.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_01: And will wish to destroy practitioners of them
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_01: and destroy these teachings.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's almost happened.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_01: This lineage has nearly been lost a couple of times because of attacks upon it.
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_01: It was a time when killing Bon,
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_01: conversion by the sword, was occurring in Tibet.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_01: These are Bon teachings.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_01: From Guru and Pushe also, so they re-arose in Nigma, but Bon had them long before then.
• 1:20:59
  SPEAKER_01: Some legends say that they were brought on a Garuda from elsewhere, long, long ago.
• 1:21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe by the demonists that mated with the monkey, who knows?
• 1:21:13
  SPEAKER_01: By the time airplanes become iron birds,
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_01: you realize that the translations get a little funky when you try
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_01: to figure out what might have actually happened.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_01: And anyway, nobody knows what's actually happening right now.
• 1:21:28
  SPEAKER_01: Go read the news.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Go read Fox and CNN,
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_01: The Guardian, and The New York Post.
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_01: These four will do you.
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then try to figure out what's really going on right now.
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_01: Just from those four sources.
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking to Americans.
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_01: You will probably have a similar stuff going on within your own country.
• 1:21:59
  SPEAKER_01: Unless it's highly, highly regimented.
• 1:22:03
  SPEAKER_01: Which ours is becoming so, but there's still free press, sort of, kind of.
• 1:22:12
  SPEAKER_01: Did I just answer the last question?
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think you did.
• 1:22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Go do your homework.
• 1:22:25
  SPEAKER_02: Ge-wadi-nyur-du-dag
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_02: Che-chi-sala
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_02: Salah, Go.
• 1:22:43
  SPEAKER_02: Salah Gopashur.
• 1:22:52
  SPEAKER_01: As all those who have walked before me, as all those who walk with me,
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_01: as all those who will follow after me will have done,
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_01: I dedicate any benefit from this teaching
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_01: To all beings of the three realms,
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_01: all Buddhas of the four times,
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_00: there is no difference.
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_01: We are complete, Nyandhu.
• 1:23:33
  SPEAKER_01: Coffee.