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NO SEX FOR 2 YEARS 🏜❌ - Tijana journey with celibacy · She Rises with Ashy & Tijana

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Speaker 1: Apodcay Production. Welcome to the She Rises Podcast. I'm Ashy
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Speaker 1: and I'm Siana.
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Speaker 2: This podcast is about female empowerment and encouraging you to
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Speaker 2: be your biggest, boldest, and most authentic version of yourself.
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Speaker 1: We help you shed the shame, grow to a new level.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna laugh, cry, and talk about the topics everyone
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Speaker 1: else is too afraid to talk about.
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Speaker 2: Get ready for your next level of self. Hello everybody,
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to She Rises Podcast.
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Speaker 1: We've got an exciting episode to day. Before we get
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Speaker 1: into it, what's your share of the week.
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Speaker 2: My share of the week is something that we've spoken
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Speaker 2: about in conversation and it's simply just when you feel something,
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Speaker 2: you heal through it. And it's something that has really
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Speaker 2: helped me on my journey and something that we've spoken
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Speaker 2: about in conversation around instead of feeling scared to look
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Speaker 2: at the things that maybe have hurt you in the past,
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Speaker 2: a wound, something that makes you sad, Instead of thinking, oh,
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Speaker 2: why is this coming up again? We shouldn't have to
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Speaker 2: feel this again. Just remember that every time that you
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Speaker 2: feel you heal a little part of that wound that
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Speaker 2: helps you heal through it, overcome it. And actually get
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Speaker 2: to the other side. So if you can always focus
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Speaker 2: on those things that will help you immensely to not
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Speaker 2: being so dysregulated when it does come up, and just
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Speaker 2: know that it's actually a part of the journey.
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Speaker 1: Love. That's beautiful. Mine was a quote I just tried
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Speaker 1: to find the clip because she explains it really well.
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Speaker 1: But what you're not changing, you're choosing. Yeah, it's hard hitting, though.
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Speaker 1: It is because sometimes I think we're a victim to
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Speaker 1: our situations or things that are happening, but like we're
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Speaker 1: actually choosing it if we're not changing it.
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Speaker 2: It's so true.
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Speaker 1: You have so much power to change so much in
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Speaker 1: your life, and even if you can't change it right now,
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Speaker 1: you can change the way that you view it or
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Speaker 1: the steps you take to change it. Later on, I
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Speaker 1: thought it's just so powerful.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. It's so true. It doesn't matter
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Speaker 2: what level you're at or how much personal development you've done.
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Speaker 2: It's like every level that's valid. It hits at different
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Speaker 2: points because it just is everything that you're choosing.
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Speaker 1: Today's episode, though, we're talking about you being a horny
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Speaker 1: little bit no joking seen the title, but your journey
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Speaker 1: of celibacy and not have sex for two years. Not
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Speaker 1: having sex almost two and a half years. Wow, I'm
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Speaker 1: so excited to learn and hear about your experience. So
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Speaker 1: why how tell me all?
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Speaker 2: It was a dry spell Sahara desert. When I was
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Speaker 2: growing up, I found myself get really distracted, especially in
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Speaker 2: terms of dating. So I would, you know, have all
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Speaker 2: these goals and aspirations and want to work through, like
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Speaker 2: move towards big goals in my life. But I just
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Speaker 2: had this like shiny object syndrome when it came to dating,
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Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, I don't know if you've
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Speaker 2: seen that video, it's like, oh, piece of candy. Like
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Speaker 2: that was me with dating. Like when I was dating somebody,
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Speaker 2: I brought this fulfillment and excitement and newness into my
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Speaker 2: life that I maybe felt like I didn't have before
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Speaker 2: or I didn't know how to bring into my life
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Speaker 2: without it being because of somebody that I was dating.
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Speaker 2: You know, it was like everything felt a little bit
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Speaker 2: bland and a little bit boring.
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Speaker 1: And it is exciting meeting someone boring together.
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Speaker 2: And then when you meet somebody, you're like you're going
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Speaker 2: off and doing all these adventures and you're doing date
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Speaker 2: nights and you're spending time together and you're making conscious
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Speaker 2: effort to do things that are like adventurous.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: So I went through this period where I was just like,
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Speaker 2: you know, maybe a couple of months, I date somebody,
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Speaker 2: and then you know, I'd be on the next person
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Speaker 2: and i' date somebody for another couple of months. And
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Speaker 2: I just remember thinking to myself, I'm never going to
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Speaker 2: achieve what I want if I keep getting distracted like this,
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Speaker 2: because every time I dated somebody new, it's like all
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Speaker 2: of my goals just like went out the window.
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Speaker 1: They were the focus, they were all where your attention went.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that person became my everything, that all my focus.
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Speaker 2: It was like everything else that was important to me
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Speaker 2: was no longer as important to back seat took a backseat. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And then I just decided one day, I was like,
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Speaker 2: you know what, I'm never going to be able to
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Speaker 2: heal my relationship with myself until I actually build a
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Speaker 2: relationship with myself. And so for me, it was like,
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Speaker 2: I need to stop doing this. I need to stop
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Speaker 2: getting distracted. This isn't about anybody else, this is about me,
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Speaker 2: And it just became about I want to learn how
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Speaker 2: to reconnect with my body. Again you know myself, my needs,
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Speaker 2: what I was wanting, my future goals, and being able
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Speaker 2: to commit to those things and really be able to say,
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Speaker 2: I know how to commit to myself. It was really
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Speaker 2: hard in the beginnings because it's almost like once you
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Speaker 2: make that declaration of like I'm doing celibacy, it's like
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Speaker 2: the universe puts all these opportunities in front of you
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Speaker 2: for like, you know, men who you know are right
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Speaker 2: up your alley, or somebody that you're attracted to, somebody
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Speaker 2: that you gel with, or someone you have really good
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Speaker 2: banter with. In my head, I'm like, oh, but I
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Speaker 2: know I said this, but that guy or that man
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Speaker 2: or you know. And yeah, it was a really interesting
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Speaker 2: thing in the beginning because I was just like so
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Speaker 2: horny all the time, you know, and I was like,
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Speaker 2: because I missed it, uh huh. But the interesting thing,
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Speaker 2: and we had this conversation earlier, is when you don't
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Speaker 2: have it for a while, you actually don't crave it
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Speaker 2: as much.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that, But then when you.
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Speaker 2: Do start having sex and being more intimate more often,
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Speaker 2: you do crave it more often. Yeah, But I never
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Speaker 2: also wanted to have like one night stands or anything
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Speaker 2: like that, it's not really like up my alley. So
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Speaker 2: it was that I would date someone for a certain
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Speaker 2: period of time, be intimate with them, and then if
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Speaker 2: it didn't work out, I'd be like, Okay, that's fine.
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Speaker 2: Well at least I had the intention of dating them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh so interesting. So also, can I ask, you've
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Speaker 1: done an episode on the sex tape? Did that have
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Speaker 1: any influence on you doing this?
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Speaker 2: Yes? Because I got to a point where I didn't
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Speaker 2: want to have new intimate partners anymore. Yeah, Like I
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Speaker 2: just was so terrified as well to some degree that
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Speaker 2: I was like, I have to bring this baggage with me.
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Speaker 2: People may not accept me for it. What if I
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Speaker 2: find somebody that I love and that I want to
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Speaker 2: be with forever and then they don't want to be
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Speaker 2: with me. And it was just like I was realizing
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Speaker 2: that I was opening myself up to new people all
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Speaker 2: the time that maybe I wasn't that serious about and
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Speaker 2: I just felt like I was giving away my energy
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Speaker 2: for nothing, you know. And then I just got serious
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Speaker 2: with myself and I was like, I just only want
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Speaker 2: to invite people into my space and also into my body.
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Speaker 2: What's interesting is in the beginning, I was like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 2: this feels weird, like I want to bring that excitement in.
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Speaker 2: But the more I did it, the more I realized
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Speaker 2: how powerful it was. It was like two months went
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Speaker 2: past and then, you know, I got tempted by somebody
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Speaker 2: and then I said no. And then I was so
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Speaker 2: proud of myself and I was like, oh my God,
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Speaker 2: like I don't need somebody else to make my life fulfilled.
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Speaker 2: I don't need somebody else to bring adventure into my life.
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Speaker 2: And then the journey became about reconnecting with my body
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Speaker 2: and my pleasure and self pleasure, slowing down, getting to
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Speaker 2: know my body again without only feeling pleasure when somebody
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Speaker 2: else was touching me so cool, you know, and there
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Speaker 2: was like rebuilding that relationship with myself.
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Speaker 1: It's such an energy exchange. Having sex is an energy exchange.
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Speaker 1: Just doing that with whoever, just like actually be with you.
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Speaker 2: I think a part of the reason as well is
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Speaker 2: like a little bit of that experience. And then the
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Speaker 2: more times that I would experience things with different men,
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Speaker 2: like I would date or whatever, and then I'd have
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Speaker 2: a not so good experience, I'd be like, why did
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Speaker 2: I do this to myself again? You know why did
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Speaker 2: I let this person in? And I started to get curious,
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Speaker 2: and I was like, why am I letting these people
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Speaker 2: into my body and into my space and giving them
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Speaker 2: everything that I have when I'm having this exchange. And
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Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I need to adjust the standards
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Speaker 2: that I have for myself and who I'm letting into
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Speaker 2: my space, because when I think of my body and
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Speaker 2: I think of me letting their energy into my body,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, that's a lot of fucked up energy, you know.
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Speaker 2: And it just became like I need to raise my standards.
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Speaker 2: And the more time that went on, as I did it, yes,
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Speaker 2: I was tempted along the way, but the more that
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Speaker 2: I said no to the external, the more I said
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Speaker 2: yes to myself. And I just with every decision to
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Speaker 2: say no to other people, I strengthened that bond with myself.
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Speaker 2: And because I was like learning how to self pleasure
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Speaker 2: again and connect with my body in a deeper way
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Speaker 2: and like giving myself what I needed, I just felt
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Speaker 2: more fulfilled within myself. And then I was like, oh
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Speaker 2: my god, I love me. Yeah, I love me like
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Speaker 2: anyone else. Dating other people just for excitement or for
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Speaker 2: whatever need isn't the answer, it's actually to go within.
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Speaker 2: And let's say six months went by the importance of
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Speaker 2: not letting just anybody in became stronger and stronger, and
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Speaker 2: I was just like, absolutely not things that I would
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Speaker 2: have allowed six months prior. There's no way in hell
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Speaker 2: I would have let that person near me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you are so strong on your boundaries
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Speaker 1: and where your energy goes, and it's such as an
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Speaker 1: inspiring thing, and I think you'd hope every woman can
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Speaker 1: get to that point and work on that and man like,
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Speaker 1: it's really important to protect your peace and your emotional energy.
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Speaker 1: Were there men along the way that you like would
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Speaker 1: still see and go on dates and then they would
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Speaker 1: try and you would explain.
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Speaker 2: That I was choosing intentional celibacy.
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Speaker 1: Was there like pressure around it? Like if you were
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Speaker 1: dating someone, You're on a date with a man and
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Speaker 1: then he tried to be intimate with you or suggest something,
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Speaker 1: You're like, oh, well, how did that conversation go?
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Speaker 2: So that's the thing, Like I was so strictent with
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Speaker 2: my celibacy that I wasn't allowed to talk to any
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Speaker 2: men on social media because I wasn't allowed to date,
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Speaker 2: I wasn't allowed to be intimate with anybody, entertain anybody
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Speaker 2: with anybody like that was how strict I was with
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Speaker 2: my intentional celibacy because at the time I didn't have
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Speaker 2: any self trust Like I naturally it can be a
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Speaker 2: flit and I can fully own that, right, but when
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Speaker 2: I was younger, I didn't have any boundaries around that,
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Speaker 2: so it was like I would get myself into trouble,
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Speaker 2: into situations where I'd like overly flirt and then get
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Speaker 2: myself into a situation. So I was like, this for
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Speaker 2: me is me honing in that sexual energy and not
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Speaker 2: like giving it out so freely. And it was like
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Speaker 2: learning to harness that and control that energy for myself,
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Speaker 2: be like I don't need to direct it at men
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Speaker 2: to have sexual expression, you know.
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Speaker 1: That's so cool.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a really interesting thing.
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Speaker 1: So interesting. I couldn't imagine not having sex for Steve
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Speaker 1: for more than a month, let alone two years. And
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Speaker 1: I think I've always been in relationships, so this is
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Speaker 1: just so such a different thing for me to hear. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't know how it would go down if I
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Speaker 1: said to Steve, I wanted to be celibates go on
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Speaker 1: my cluny journey, but I would love to talk more
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Speaker 1: if you're open to it about your self pleasure practices
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Speaker 1: and how that journey went on. Because I'm thirty six
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Speaker 1: years old and I feel like it's only the last
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Speaker 1: maybe two years that I've really learned to explore that
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Speaker 1: and enjoy that and see how that looks and feels
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Speaker 1: and bring different things in for myself. And I have
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Speaker 1: a beautiful sex life with Steve, but I also wanted
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Speaker 1: to strengthen that relationship with myself, and I wanted to
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Speaker 1: get to know my body more, and I wanted to
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Speaker 1: have that beautiful intimate time with myself. Yeah, I don't
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Speaker 1: even know the reason why. I just felt I felt
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Speaker 1: this poor to it. I've really enjoyed it, and it's
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Speaker 1: really nice, and I feel like it's helped me be
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Speaker 1: more connected to myself and therefore more connected to Steve.
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Speaker 1: I've known my body more, so I can voids and
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Speaker 1: communicate what I want more in our sexual intimate sex life,
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Speaker 1: and it's just been really beautiful. And I love myself
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Speaker 1: more now and that's been really nice. I'd love to
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Speaker 1: hear your journey as to how that started, how that
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Speaker 1: is from back then to now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always known that I've been quite sexually curious,
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Speaker 2: like just in terms of pleasure. But then once that
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Speaker 2: event happened with the sex tape, I complain letely shut down.
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Speaker 2: So after that, I don't think I self pleasured for
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Speaker 2: like a good three years, Like I was completely shut
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Speaker 2: off to my body to pleasure to even if I
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Speaker 2: were to date somebody after the fact, like I was numb.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't really feel much. I was putting on a show,
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Speaker 2: and I was, you know, doing the whole like porn
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Speaker 2: presentation of like how a woman should be whilst having sex,
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Speaker 2: you know, making noises even though it didn't feel good,
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Speaker 2: and just things like that. So it was like I
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Speaker 2: was presenting because I was trying to portray that I
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Speaker 2: still had that when I had lost that, and it
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Speaker 2: was a really good experience. So to have to go through,
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Speaker 2: you know, through that period of like not connecting with
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Speaker 2: my body, I just remember the stories that I would
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Speaker 2: tell myself and it was very much like, you aren't
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Speaker 2: deserving a pleasure. You don't get to have this, This
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Speaker 2: isn't sacred anymore. Why would you want this when it's
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Speaker 2: something that everyone has seen. How I interpreted the video
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Speaker 2: was that when people shamed me and judged me and
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Speaker 2: ridiculed me, judge me all the things. I took that
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Speaker 2: as I'm judging you for being a sexual.
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Speaker 1: Being right, and I can understand why, you know.
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Speaker 2: It was like, well, they're slutshaming you, they're sluts shaming me.
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Speaker 1: You're doing is wrong.
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Speaker 2: What I'm doing is wrong. Yeah, And so then I
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Speaker 2: internalized that and I was like, what I'm doing is wrong.
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Speaker 1: I need to stop.
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Speaker 2: I need to stop. I shouldn't want this. Why should
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Speaker 2: I want this? I shouldn't want to explore myself. I
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Speaker 2: remember like doing all this research about like de armoring
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Speaker 2: and how you can remove like store trauma from like
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Speaker 2: the inside of your pussy, like from the walls, from
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Speaker 2: experiences that you've had because I was numb and I
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Speaker 2: remember like trying to go through that. I highly recommend
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Speaker 2: this book. It's called Pussy. It's a pussy Reclamation. It's
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Speaker 2: a really really good book. If you're feeling disconnected from
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Speaker 2: yourself and your sensuality, and.
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Speaker 1: Even if you're not, would you still recommend it because
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Speaker 1: you learn so much?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, Well, even the word pussy. So for me,
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Speaker 2: before I read this book, I would call it a
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Speaker 2: vagina very medical term, very like, do.
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Speaker 1: You know what, I don't really say that word until
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Speaker 1: you came in my life, and now I'm like, pussy, pussy,
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Speaker 1: it is.
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Speaker 2: It feels so powerful, it is, and it's such powers too.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, vagina, it does not sound sexy. But I remember
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Speaker 1: the first time you said it. You were in there
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Speaker 1: in the gym. Oh my god, I haven't shared this
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Speaker 1: with you. We were talking about gluten and you looked
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Speaker 1: at me and you're like, obviously you're very attractive, and
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Speaker 1: you were like, yeah, it really affects my pussy looking
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Speaker 1: around the gym, Like does she just say that in
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Speaker 1: the gym? Because I don't use that, And now because
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Speaker 1: you just say it so freely, it's really nice. It
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Speaker 1: does sound nicer than vagina.
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Speaker 2: You know you haven't told me yet. Does all the
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Speaker 2: things to my gun?
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Speaker 1: The podcast is bringing it all up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a funny story, Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, No,
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Speaker 2: it's true because I used to be like that too.
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Speaker 2: I used to say vagina. I felt this dirty connotation
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Speaker 2: around having more sexual yeah, and being like naturally, we're
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Speaker 2: like we need all these fem fresh fucking items, and
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Speaker 2: like when you get a wife and we're gonna clean
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Speaker 2: and like don't bleed too much or you know, there's
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Speaker 2: just a lot of like, oh my god, I need
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Speaker 2: to be cautious and self conscious of this. And when
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Speaker 2: I read that book, it allowed me to take back
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Speaker 2: the power of saying the word pussy so cool, you know,
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Speaker 2: and it just feels empowering. It feels like a beautiful thing.
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Speaker 2: It makes me feel grateful to have a body that
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Speaker 2: can create life and to experience the level of pleasure
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Speaker 2: that we can. My first journey, the first start was
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Speaker 2: dimoring dearmoring. So anyone listening, I recommend you just researching
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Speaker 2: it and trying it home.
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Speaker 1: Even a nutshell, what is dearmoring?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So basically what you'll do is you get like
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Speaker 2: a glass wand or something like that, and you like
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Speaker 2: massage the inside of your pussy, like the pussy walls
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Speaker 2: where you're feeling a little bit of pressure where it
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Speaker 2: feels a little bit hard. And what happens is like
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Speaker 2: you actually end up releasing emotion. And I was telling
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Speaker 2: actually this actually earlier where I had an experience where
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Speaker 2: I did this in the shower and I felt my
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Speaker 2: mind immediately want to stop. My mind was like nope,
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Speaker 2: don't want to do this. Don't want to do this anymore.
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Speaker 2: I want to stop. I want to get out of
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Speaker 2: the shower. And I just kept going and kept pushing
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Speaker 2: through that resistance, and I just cried and cried, and
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Speaker 2: it was like so healing, like something that I had
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Speaker 2: never experienced before but got to experience in that moment
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Speaker 2: and was like wow, like I actually see how this
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Speaker 2: so powerful and like what I'm holding on.
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Speaker 1: Too from similar to like a Yoni massage, because that's
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Speaker 1: what they do. Have someone else do it for you.
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Speaker 1: I could imagine spots where you're storing a trauma.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's just like you being able to do
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Speaker 2: it at home if you like, maybe you don't feel
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Speaker 2: comfortable to do Yes, how beautiful, which we've spoken about
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Speaker 2: we're considering, yeah, yeah, and then taking it slow with
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Speaker 2: myself so like I just used to always use vibrators,
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Speaker 2: and I found that that made me desensitized, so desensitized
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Speaker 2: to pleasure, to my physical touch, to the physical touch
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Speaker 2: of my partner, would take me longer to reach an orgasm.
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Speaker 2: So I stopped using those. I literally banned myself from you,
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Speaker 2: threw it on my toys like all that sort of stuff,
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Speaker 2: and started to just like explore myself with my hands
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Speaker 2: and like take a little bit more time, and when
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Speaker 2: I wanted to rush, I would stop myself. And then
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Speaker 2: I did this online course from like something called like
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Speaker 2: tantric Alchemy or something.
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Speaker 1: It's really old.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so cool. She takes you through like
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Speaker 2: a clit orgasm, g spot or cervical orgasm or something
16:06
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, it's wild. Yeah, And she takes you
16:09
Speaker 2: through different stages and it's like an hour and a
16:11
Speaker 2: half process for each of them. Yeah. It's just about
16:14
Speaker 2: like slowing down, slowing down and like making your self
16:17
Speaker 2: pleasure practice slower, more intimate, more gentle, like allowing your
16:22
Speaker 2: body energetically to open up. And I still have so
16:26
Speaker 2: much work to do in this area because I still
16:27
Speaker 2: hold a lot of shame from those experiences. But slowing
16:30
Speaker 2: down has been the best thing. And I notice I
16:33
Speaker 2: just feel more open to pleasure when I can just
16:36
Speaker 2: be slow, be gentle, even just when you're getting out
16:39
Speaker 2: of the shower. And I used to start because this
16:41
Speaker 2: used to ick me out and be like, oh, I
16:42
Speaker 2: don't want to like sit there and you know, self
16:44
Speaker 2: pleasure for half an hour, make it a practice. And
16:46
Speaker 2: I used to judge it because it used to be like, oh, well,
16:48
Speaker 2: like who has the time, But then I just started
16:50
Speaker 2: I'd get in the shower, have a shower, get out,
16:53
Speaker 2: and I'd just like put oil all over my body
16:55
Speaker 2: and just like real slow, just like I'm so grateful
16:58
Speaker 2: I step my body and just like you know, in
17:00
Speaker 2: moments where I felt uncomfortable whatever, I would just like
17:03
Speaker 2: hold my body or like run my like along my
17:06
Speaker 2: arm or my legs like you would get a partner
17:07
Speaker 2: to two. Yes, but it's like bringing those practices in
17:10
Speaker 2: for yourself and then you genuinely want to learn how
17:13
Speaker 2: to like touch your body in a really soft way,
17:16
Speaker 2: you know, and it's just so like it ends up
17:18
Speaker 2: being once you can move through the shame, it's so
17:20
Speaker 2: like nice and feminine, it just feels good. You know.
17:23
Speaker 2: It gets to be about pleasure, yes, and.
17:26
Speaker 1: A whole experience. And that's where I feel like I've
17:28
Speaker 1: taken that into my sex life with Steve as well
17:30
Speaker 1: as like taking it slower and making all experience. And
17:34
Speaker 1: I think vibrators are great. They have their time and
17:36
Speaker 1: place that we shows conversation this morning, as they do
17:39
Speaker 1: desensitize you and it's just like even the orgasm is
17:42
Speaker 1: not as good. Yeah, I don't think personally. I think
17:45
Speaker 1: when Steve or myself is using hands and taking time
17:49
Speaker 1: and it's like this beautiful massage and it's intentional and
17:52
Speaker 1: it's loving and it's nice, you get that build up
17:55
Speaker 1: of the orgasm and it's so much more intense and beautiful. Like, yeah,
17:58
Speaker 1: the whole experience is compared to just like getting off
18:01
Speaker 1: from a vibrator, which takes you literally two minutes.
18:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it's like you in and out and
18:05
Speaker 2: you're done. Yeah, Like that's all good and well. Like
18:07
Speaker 2: when you don't have the time or anything.
18:09
Speaker 1: For sure, And I'm a parent, I get at times
18:11
Speaker 1: not in our favor, so sometimes you got to do yes.
18:14
Speaker 1: But if you can find time to bring this in
18:17
Speaker 1: more often, yeah, it'll make such a difference. And it
18:20
Speaker 1: just makes you so much more connected to yourself.
18:22
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I love that. I feel like you're very,
18:26
Speaker 2: very embodied in like your sexual energy. What has that
18:29
Speaker 2: been like for you in terms of like your self
18:31
Speaker 2: pleasure journey. I'd love to know.
18:33
Speaker 1: I feel like when I talk about sex, there's parts
18:35
Speaker 1: that I won't share, just purely for Steve's respect. He's
18:38
Speaker 1: a very private person. He's like, well, you share a lot,
18:41
Speaker 1: but I just speak of my experience. I suppose when
18:44
Speaker 1: I first met Steve, I was so close minded and
18:48
Speaker 1: even growing up like I was the good girl. I
18:50
Speaker 1: was the girl that didn't sleep around. Like I still
18:52
Speaker 1: haven't even moved off my hand, Like that was my rule,
18:55
Speaker 1: don't ever move off your hand. As to how many
18:57
Speaker 1: men I would sleep with, and I've only been with
18:59
Speaker 1: three men in my life actually proper sex, and they've
19:02
Speaker 1: all been beautiful partners, which I kind of hope Tala
19:05
Speaker 1: really find someone even to lose opportinity to. We Instep
19:08
Speaker 1: were having this conversation the other day that she finds
19:09
Speaker 1: someone that really respects her body and does put pressure
19:12
Speaker 1: on her and it's really gentle and slow. Because most
19:15
Speaker 1: of my friends they speak to it's like, oh I
19:16
Speaker 1: lost it at fourteen. It was horrible. It hurt I bled.
19:19
Speaker 1: They really like fast and hard, and it just mine
19:22
Speaker 1: was the opposite. I was with him for like six
19:25
Speaker 1: to eight months. I think it was a long time,
19:26
Speaker 1: and he was a bit older than me. As I
19:28
Speaker 1: date the older man, there's no pressure. It was beautiful
19:32
Speaker 1: and even when I said I was ready and like
19:34
Speaker 1: I was ready. I was like, give it to me.
19:36
Speaker 1: He was like, are you sure, Let's take this nice
19:38
Speaker 1: and slow. I was like, get your clothes off ready,
19:40
Speaker 1: but he took it so slow and it was so beautiful,
19:43
Speaker 1: but I still just had I don't know if the
19:45
Speaker 1: word is shame. I think it's more judgment around doing
19:49
Speaker 1: different sexual acts. I thought it was dirty and bad
19:53
Speaker 1: and I never used that word slutty, but I think
19:56
Speaker 1: in my head it was. And then I met Steve.
19:59
Speaker 1: He's just the most open, carefree, like whoo, like up
20:02
Speaker 1: for anything and hearing about just different experiences or different
20:06
Speaker 1: conversations that we would have. I was like, whoa, this
20:09
Speaker 1: is a lot. But it was really cool because it
20:11
Speaker 1: opened up my eyes and it didn't feel so taboo
20:13
Speaker 1: or like bad or dirty or wrong. And then I
20:17
Speaker 1: met Megsie and she is the most free flowing, fluid,
20:22
Speaker 1: loving human. She doesn't see it as like I love
20:26
Speaker 1: this gender. I just love people, I love energy, I
20:29
Speaker 1: love humans, I love love And this is the way
20:32
Speaker 1: that she describes it. So when I started to talk
20:35
Speaker 1: to her more about different experiences and the way she
20:38
Speaker 1: views love and pleasure and sexuality and sensuality and experiences,
20:42
Speaker 1: it just opened up my whole mind and I was like,
20:45
Speaker 1: maybe I am into that, Maybe I am curious what
20:48
Speaker 1: would that look like? And I started just to get
20:51
Speaker 1: more curious. Yeah, ask more questions. And if she listens
20:54
Speaker 1: to this, she would laugh because I'd just be like,
20:56
Speaker 1: and what happened then? And tell me about this what
20:58
Speaker 1: you do in this situation? But can you actually do that?
21:00
Speaker 1: Like I was just so curious, and she's always so
21:02
Speaker 1: safe and open between her and Steve, which is just
21:05
Speaker 1: really cool to let go of the old judgments I
21:08
Speaker 1: had around sexuality and now as a thirty six year
21:11
Speaker 1: old woman, I am very in touch with my sexuality,
21:14
Speaker 1: my body, and I'm super curious and it excites me
21:17
Speaker 1: to have these conversations Like, yeah, you guys, could hear
21:20
Speaker 1: the conversations we have this morning Metiana? Good lord, Well
21:24
Speaker 1: it's so exciting is we're in the car and we're like,
21:26
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so fun to talk about,
21:28
Speaker 1: like the possibilities and like even fantasies, Like it's not
21:32
Speaker 1: spoken about enough, but like everyone has fantasies and even
21:36
Speaker 1: if you never act on them, to be able to
21:39
Speaker 1: talk about fantasies with your partner, like Steve and I
21:41
Speaker 1: talk about then I'm like, even if we never acted
21:43
Speaker 1: on this, so fun to talk about it. And it
21:46
Speaker 1: does make me so horny and turn and vice versa,
21:49
Speaker 1: and it's like you get to bring that playfulness in. Yeah,
21:52
Speaker 1: And it's just like I love having a partner that's
21:55
Speaker 1: so open minded.
21:56
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:56
Speaker 1: It's only the last year or two that I've really
21:59
Speaker 1: got more connected to my body instead of experimenting with
22:02
Speaker 1: self pleasure and how that looks and feels for me.
22:05
Speaker 1: But at the start it was with toys, I was like,
22:07
Speaker 1: this can't be all it is.
22:09
Speaker 2: Yeah.
22:09
Speaker 1: I remember listening to like a few different podcasts and
22:12
Speaker 1: just following some UNI specialists and different people makes it
22:15
Speaker 1: had posted and just learning about making it experience and
22:18
Speaker 1: getting more in touch with your body. And the practice
22:21
Speaker 1: for me is very slow. Like when you're saying slow,
22:24
Speaker 1: I'm like, I resonate so hard. And also mirror work, yeah,
22:27
Speaker 1: which I know people use mirror work just to reconnect
22:30
Speaker 1: with themselves, but I love to do that sexually. Yeah.
22:32
Speaker 1: And I love being able to connect with myself like
22:35
Speaker 1: that and love my body. And I know it might
22:37
Speaker 1: sound a bit woo and like would I want to
22:40
Speaker 1: look at everything legs open with the mirror. But yeah,
22:46
Speaker 1: at first it was really uncomfortable and I was judging
22:49
Speaker 1: myself and I was judging my body and picking bits apart,
22:51
Speaker 1: and even the way, you know, after having a baby,
22:53
Speaker 1: my skin looked wrinkly like whatever it was. I was
22:55
Speaker 1: just like, oh my gosh, no, no, no, we're not
22:58
Speaker 1: doing that. This is not what this is for. This
23:00
Speaker 1: is a practice of self love and getting to know yourself.
23:04
Speaker 1: And now it's like, I really do love myself so
23:07
Speaker 1: much and I love each of those practices. I don't
23:09
Speaker 1: do them super often. It's more like if Steve goes away,
23:13
Speaker 1: because I prefer to be intimate with him than by myself.
23:16
Speaker 1: But I love that there's no shame as I'm talking
23:19
Speaker 1: about it like there's no shame. It's actually really enjoyable,
23:22
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about it more so that
23:24
Speaker 1: more women can start to get more connected to their
23:26
Speaker 1: bodies and learn more about their bodies. And you don't
23:28
Speaker 1: have to do it in front of a mirror. But
23:30
Speaker 1: like you said, it could start with the oil, and
23:31
Speaker 1: then it could just start with like just holding your pussy,
23:35
Speaker 1: even just massaging it. Don't even have to go internal,
23:39
Speaker 1: use wands, or anything like that, just like massaging and
23:41
Speaker 1: like getting to know it more and what does feel
23:45
Speaker 1: good and you can just take it step by step
23:47
Speaker 1: and all at your own pace. But I think it's
23:50
Speaker 1: a beautiful journey everyone should go on. And I did
23:52
Speaker 1: book in a Yoni massage, remember, Yeah, but it's literally landed.
23:57
Speaker 1: It was on a Friday, and I was due for
23:58
Speaker 1: my period on a Friday, and as you guys know,
24:01
Speaker 1: I'm on blood thinners, which is like a crime scene
24:04
Speaker 1: or on my period, I literally can't even go for
24:06
Speaker 1: a walk, like it's just it's so bad. Yeah, So
24:09
Speaker 1: I had to cancel and postpones. I'm hoping to get
24:12
Speaker 1: it done. She's in Tasmania, so next time she comes
24:14
Speaker 1: to the Gold Coross, I think it's January of February.
24:17
Speaker 1: So I hope to get that done. But like I
24:18
Speaker 1: can't wait to come on the podcast and share my
24:20
Speaker 1: experience for that, because that's really edgy for me to
24:22
Speaker 1: have another female go internal and external and like explore that,
24:28
Speaker 1: explain that. I don't think I have any store trauma
24:30
Speaker 1: with it, but maybe I do from my birth with Targe,
24:32
Speaker 1: because that was really traumatic. And see what comes up
24:35
Speaker 1: and see how freeing that is, to release anything, and
24:38
Speaker 1: they've just opened me up more, Like I want to
24:40
Speaker 1: be more open for myself and for Steve.
24:43
Speaker 2: What a cool experience. I feel like we should book
24:45
Speaker 2: in and then report.
24:45
Speaker 1: Back one hundred percent. It'd be such a cool podcast.
24:48
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I talk about it openly for.
24:49
Speaker 1: Sure, would be so nice.
24:51
Speaker 2: I think this conversation I know me too. I think
24:53
Speaker 2: I would love to come back to the fantasy's part
24:56
Speaker 2: because it's something that is so taboo that like you
24:59
Speaker 2: don't really have a lot of people that you can
25:01
Speaker 2: talk about with that sort of stuff. It's like, yeah,
25:02
Speaker 2: you've got your close friends and you talk.
25:04
Speaker 1: About to get judged.
25:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, you talk about deep stuff, and it's like as
25:06
Speaker 2: soon as it hits to the sexual side of things,
25:08
Speaker 2: it's like what are they into, what do they like?
25:11
Speaker 2: What are they not okay with? And then it's like
25:13
Speaker 2: you automatically have this resistance to sharing. But I feel
25:16
Speaker 2: like even with us, like we're just from the get
25:17
Speaker 2: go just like so open about curiosity and like things
25:21
Speaker 2: that we might want to explore or like scare us,
25:24
Speaker 2: but still we're curious. Yeah, that's the conversation we've had
25:27
Speaker 2: is like even like if we talk about threesomes or
25:29
Speaker 2: just anything like that, I'm like, as a fantasy, I'm like,
25:32
Speaker 2: I'm all for it, Like I would try both, like
25:36
Speaker 2: two men or two women. Yeah, but then I'm also
25:38
Speaker 2: like to actually act that out. I'm like, do I
25:40
Speaker 2: have the balls to do that?
25:41
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like you know, and I was sharing
25:44
Speaker 1: with you this morning too, and we've spoken about many times,
25:46
Speaker 1: but like even being intimate with a woman, Like I've
25:48
Speaker 1: kissed women before. We're talking about in high.
25:50
Speaker 2: School, Like, oh my god, me and my girlfriends all
25:52
Speaker 2: the time.
25:53
Speaker 1: I am drawn to women, and I'm attracted to women, but.
25:56
Speaker 2: They're so beautiful.
25:57
Speaker 1: They're so beautiful. They're even more beautiful than men. But
26:00
Speaker 1: I've never explored actually being sexual with one. But I'm
26:04
Speaker 1: definitely curious. But do I actually have the braver to
26:08
Speaker 1: do that? Who would that be with? I feel like
26:10
Speaker 1: I would need a connection. It's just interesting to talk
26:13
Speaker 1: about and explore, so you might not ever, but it's
26:16
Speaker 1: really important I think to not shame or push it aside.
26:19
Speaker 1: If that's coming up and that is a fantasy of
26:21
Speaker 1: yours or something you're curious on, explore it, like just
26:24
Speaker 1: letting it be there, letting it be there without judgment.
26:26
Speaker 2: Like what about when my friend sent me that thing around?
26:29
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, the Melbourne guy. Yeah, yeah, let's talk
26:32
Speaker 1: about the Tantrasentual Massage guy. The description on the website,
26:38
Speaker 1: I was like, oh.
26:39
Speaker 2: Like we were, we were reading this this morning.
26:41
Speaker 1: The experience he takes you through. So basically, it's this
26:43
Speaker 1: guy in Melbourne and it's for women or for couples,
26:48
Speaker 1: and he literally on the website like takes you through
26:50
Speaker 1: a whole process of what his I don't say ceremony,
26:53
Speaker 1: but it's not what histric massage. It is a tantric massage,
26:57
Speaker 1: but you're fully naked. He starts with your body and
27:00
Speaker 1: then obviously like moves down to your pussy and takes
27:03
Speaker 1: you through. You're only mapping your massage and just all
27:06
Speaker 1: these other different experiences with your body, and it just
27:09
Speaker 1: sounds so amazing. Yeah, and your partner can watch if
27:13
Speaker 1: that's what you're into as well, or if you're single
27:14
Speaker 1: and wanted to experience that. But it just sounds like
27:18
Speaker 1: such a beautiful, spiritual, sexual pleasurable experience.
27:22
Speaker 2: It's so cool as well because he's got like a
27:24
Speaker 2: full description of the different stages that he runs you through.
27:27
Speaker 2: So obviously it's like a really safe container and it's
27:30
Speaker 2: very spiritual by the looks of it, Like he seems
27:33
Speaker 2: very spiritual. He does workshops with women and things like that,
27:36
Speaker 2: so it's all about what he does. But it's even
27:39
Speaker 2: like reading, you know, like all us Gellies are into
27:41
Speaker 2: like smart books. Yeah, it's like reading his website is
27:44
Speaker 2: like almost like a smart book in itself, Like it's
27:47
Speaker 2: just very descriptive but also very soft, and it's very
27:50
Speaker 2: like specialized around being gentle, being nurtured, being yeah, being
27:55
Speaker 2: like loved on almost, but it's very about caring for
27:58
Speaker 2: you and your body, pleasuring you, like getting to that outcome.
28:01
Speaker 2: That's not the main focus. It's more about your experience. Yeah,
28:05
Speaker 2: the lead up, I feel like that's so important for
28:07
Speaker 2: with it. I know it's important for me, like if
28:09
Speaker 2: I don't have like a lead up of being turned
28:12
Speaker 2: on or like four play or having started from the
28:15
Speaker 2: beginning of the day, you know, say with like somebody
28:17
Speaker 2: that I'm dating and it like go all day, Like
28:20
Speaker 2: it takes me a little bit longer to like kind
28:21
Speaker 2: of get there at the effort.
28:22
Speaker 1: So many women it takes like twenty to forty minutes.
28:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, otherwise I'm in my head and I'm not fully present,
28:27
Speaker 2: and then it's not as good of an experience. So
28:30
Speaker 2: it's like that like mental foreplay of like conversation and communication, safety,
28:35
Speaker 2: little touches, just the whole lead up of all of that.
28:37
Speaker 2: I feel like it's such an important part.
28:39
Speaker 1: Of my Johnich it really really is. So he takes
28:41
Speaker 1: you through like it's an hour and an hour and
28:43
Speaker 1: a half experience before you even get to the end
28:46
Speaker 1: of orgasm.
28:47
Speaker 2: Yeah.
28:47
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was really interesting. Yeah, there's just so
28:49
Speaker 1: many cool things you can explore by yourself, with your
28:52
Speaker 1: single or in a relationship. I think I would want
28:54
Speaker 1: Steve there, Yeah, I think, yeah, I wouldn't want to
28:56
Speaker 1: do that.
28:56
Speaker 2: It's like feel him, more comfortable with him.
28:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's an experience with your partner. But if
29:02
Speaker 1: I was single, Yeah, also doing that by yourself, that's
29:04
Speaker 1: beautiful to give that to yourself. Yeah, what about you?
29:07
Speaker 2: I think I would like When I was reading, I
29:10
Speaker 2: was like, we should look this. You go first, and
29:17
Speaker 2: so how's your experience?
29:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what. It also made me think, true,
29:20
Speaker 1: this is stuff that you could bring into your partnership
29:23
Speaker 1: as well, like it makes me think, oh, maybe Steve
29:26
Speaker 1: would like a really beautiful experience where I spend an
29:29
Speaker 1: hour loving on his body and like massaging him first
29:33
Speaker 1: and getting him really turned on and taking him through
29:35
Speaker 1: this experience. Like that's something you can also bring in,
29:37
Speaker 1: Like if you're like, fuck, no, I'm not getting some
29:39
Speaker 1: other man in my relationship, Yes, fair enough, you do
29:42
Speaker 1: you everyone's different, all in your own time.
29:46
Speaker 2: More episodes on the podcast, But how cool.
29:49
Speaker 1: To like even just go, oh, I can make my
29:52
Speaker 1: experience with my partners longer, more pleasurable, more enjoyable, more
29:55
Speaker 1: lead up. Yeah that's so cool. Yeah, maybe think about
29:58
Speaker 1: that this morning, be like, I actually want to do
30:00
Speaker 1: that more for Steve.
30:01
Speaker 2: So cool.
30:02
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love these chats me too, and I'll want
30:05
Speaker 1: some more chats. Let us know we can bring more
30:07
Speaker 1: sex talks to the podcast. I love it.
30:09
Speaker 2: I love it. Honestly, there's seriously needs more time and
30:12
Speaker 2: space for conversations like this, because when you are holding
30:15
Speaker 2: sexual shame, you feel so alone in it because you're like, well,
30:18
Speaker 2: this isn't a normalized conversation. You know, no matter where
30:21
Speaker 2: you are on the scale, no matter what you like,
30:23
Speaker 2: what you don't like, wherever you lie on the scale
30:25
Speaker 2: of how much you explore your sexuality, Like that's okay,
30:28
Speaker 2: but it's like you don't have to feel like alone
30:30
Speaker 2: in it, you know, And it's just pleasure in itself
30:33
Speaker 2: is something that we all get to experience, and without
30:36
Speaker 2: the shame, it's so much more fun and you can
30:38
Speaker 2: bring fun and playfulness to connect with your partner more,
30:41
Speaker 2: or to connect with yourself more, or to connect with others,
30:44
Speaker 2: like whatever it is you're into. So yeah, I just
30:46
Speaker 2: think it's a cool conversation to have.
30:48
Speaker 1: It really is. And if you're resistant to this or
30:51
Speaker 1: you've listened to this and you're having like a response
30:55
Speaker 1: or a judgment around it, being like, oh my god,
30:56
Speaker 1: they're slutty or they're dirty, or like whatever's coming up
30:59
Speaker 1: for you, Like that's okay. I understand that because I
31:01
Speaker 1: used to be like that as well. And it's still
31:03
Speaker 1: itchy for me to talk about, like it is edgy,
31:06
Speaker 1: but it's more exciting for me now rather than like
31:09
Speaker 1: shaming on myself. Just sit with that and see where
31:12
Speaker 1: along the lines, who's told you that you're dirty or
31:14
Speaker 1: slutty or girls that do this or guys that do that.
31:16
Speaker 1: It's wrong. And I actually like start to unpack that,
31:19
Speaker 1: because I actually don't even know where mine came from.
31:22
Speaker 1: But I had made a rule book of like what
31:24
Speaker 1: was good and what was bad, what would be accepted
31:26
Speaker 1: by my future husband. I used to think, why would
31:29
Speaker 1: anyone want to marry me if I've had sex with
31:31
Speaker 1: twenty other guys. I want to be pure for him
31:33
Speaker 1: and I want him to feel special and I want
31:34
Speaker 1: him to know that I've waited for him. And there
31:37
Speaker 1: was so many other guys that I could have but
31:39
Speaker 1: I wanted you know, they're just stories and not the truth,
31:41
Speaker 1: and like, of course Steve would have still loved me
31:43
Speaker 1: if I had had a pass and different experiences. But
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Speaker 1: I had to unpack re all that came from and
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Speaker 1: why I was thinking that, And I didn't want to
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Speaker 1: be judgmental towards myself or to others. I wanted to
31:53
Speaker 1: be open minded. So I had to really lean into
31:55
Speaker 1: it and get comfortable being uncomfortable by having more conversations
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Speaker 1: and asking more questions to Megsie or listening to podcasts
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Speaker 1: or YouTube videos and exploring that. So if anything's coming
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Speaker 1: up for you and you feel a little bit like, oh,
32:06
Speaker 1: I don't know about this, conversation. I get it, but
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Speaker 1: just like sit with it. It doesn't have to be yeah,
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Speaker 1: a negative thing or a taboo thing or an uncomfortable thing,
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Speaker 1: or it doesn't. It gets to be fun. And also
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Speaker 1: ask yourself, like who doesn't want more pleasure? If you
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Speaker 1: were going to sit back and say I don't care
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Speaker 1: about that, I don't want more pleasure, I think you're
32:23
Speaker 1: lying to yourself. To be honest, why would you not
32:26
Speaker 1: want more pleasure with your body and your partner and
32:29
Speaker 1: with life you get to live once. Let's bring in
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Speaker 1: more pleasure, more fun.
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Speaker 2: I love it. And just to add to that as well,
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Speaker 2: like when it comes to the perspective that you might
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Speaker 2: have on this conversation of oh wow, I can't belie
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Speaker 2: they're talking about that, or I would never talk about that,
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Speaker 2: it's like, yes, I absolutely understand it because I've been
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Speaker 2: there and I've done that, you know. But it's like
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Speaker 2: this is where you get to clock your own projections
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Speaker 2: as well, because a lot of the times it can
32:54
Speaker 2: actually stem from our own judgments that we put on ourselves,
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Speaker 2: we will put on others. So say, for example, if
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Speaker 2: maybe for you this feels really edgy and it's something
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Speaker 2: you know you would never speak about the moment that
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Speaker 2: you hear us talk about it, You're going to be like,
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Speaker 2: I would never do that because you don't, because you
33:09
Speaker 2: don't give yourself permission to actually explore those conversations. And
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Speaker 2: that's actually where the work starts is looking at those Wow,
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Speaker 2: where are the limitations that I have on myself? Because
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Speaker 2: the limitations I have on myself, I'm going to put
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Speaker 2: on others too. And it's a really powerful place to
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Speaker 2: unpack within.
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Speaker 1: Yourself, isn't it. The moment you're judging someone else, you're
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Speaker 1: judging yourself. And I could feel that if I judged
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Speaker 1: other people for sleeping around, I was just judging myself
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Speaker 1: because I had those rule book as to what I
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Speaker 1: had made up in my head that was right or wrong.
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Speaker 1: It always a reflection backay ye, all right, guys. If
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Speaker 1: there's any other questions, this is what our forum's for.
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Speaker 1: We absolutely love our forums just where we can extend
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Speaker 1: the conversations. You can ask us questions, you can chat
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33:52
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Speaker 2: See you in the next episode, ladies. Bye bye.