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Trust Economy and Our Media · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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  Speaker 1: Hey, Tileer readers. This is to all the men I've
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  Speaker 1: tolerated to before. With Nanley Katona, your weekly look at
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  Speaker 1: everyday misogyny. We have Kat Steinberg as our guest today,
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  Speaker 1: another great creative I've met through my writing journey. Kat
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  Speaker 1: is the editor in chief of She Knows, an inclusive
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  Speaker 1: community for parents that recognizes the challenges that living a full, vibrant,
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  Speaker 1: busy mom life presents while also acknowledging the good stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Kat is here today to talk about women's media, something
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  Speaker 1: we're calling the trust economy, and the importance of women
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  Speaker 1: led media.
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  Speaker 2: Kat.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the team.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much for having me, Natalie, that
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  Speaker 2: was a wonderful introduction.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much. This is the second team
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  Speaker 1: we've been on because we were in a writing cohort together,
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  Speaker 1: so it's just nice to spend time with you.
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  Speaker 2: It's nice to spend time with you too. And not
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  Speaker 2: only were we in a cohort, it was a small
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  Speaker 2: group and we met at ten pm, which was so
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  Speaker 2: late for me. It was a real labor of love
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  Speaker 2: to start working and turn my brain back on from
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  Speaker 2: ten to eleven. So great to be here at a
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  Speaker 2: reasonable hour.
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  Speaker 1: Also, when I flew out to Alabama to be in
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  Speaker 1: Chelsea Davante's first movie. I think I'm allowed to talk
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  Speaker 1: about it now. I don't even know. Several people have
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  Speaker 1: seen the movie and we're like, you're there, You're in there,
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  Speaker 1: we can see your full face. So I think I
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  Speaker 1: did to.
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  Speaker 2: Take a movie at south By Southwest, and I want
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  Speaker 2: to say it's an instant classic. I know I might
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  Speaker 2: be biased, but I can't help it. Like being in
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  Speaker 2: her writing cohort, my expectations were already sky high and
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  Speaker 2: it exceeded all of them, Like it's just a beautiful
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  Speaker 2: ode to female friendship.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and it was so funny, the one scene that
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  Speaker 1: I got to see over and over again because I'm
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  Speaker 1: in it, and so I cannot wait until I get
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  Speaker 1: to see it in all of its glory. But when
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  Speaker 1: I got to Alabama and I showed up with a
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  Speaker 1: full face of makeup and an actual coordinated outfit to Kara,
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  Speaker 1: our Mentor was like, that's a new look for you,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, well, that's because you see me
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  Speaker 1: at nine pm shrouded in a blanket with my cat
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  Speaker 1: fighting me because I'm back on the computer.
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  Speaker 2: I love that you got to meet Takara in person.
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  Speaker 2: She is also the best.
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  Speaker 1: She's the best. They were all the best, Maria's dancing videos, everybody, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: it was the best. But enough about them, they're not here.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you talk about a little bit more about yourself.
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  Speaker 1: She media, and she knows and give people the timeline,
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  Speaker 1: the background, all of it.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds great. So I have been in media for
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  Speaker 2: way too long. I was there for I feel like
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  Speaker 2: the dawn of the Internet, and I worked at places.
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  Speaker 2: My first job actually was in print at The Week magazine,
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  Speaker 2: which was a very cool job, and I got to
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  Speaker 2: work with such an eclectic bunch of people. We were
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  Speaker 2: doing the news of the week, and we'd scan all
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  Speaker 2: these different clips and it was a way for me
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  Speaker 2: to sort of understand a little bit about what we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about today, how different publications portray the same event. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so it was like a really interesting lesson in perspective
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  Speaker 2: and editing and just understanding the different points of view
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  Speaker 2: and the voices of each of the different magazines because
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  Speaker 2: we consolidated it. And then from and then I really
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  Speaker 2: entered the women's lifestyle space hard. I went to I
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  Speaker 2: Village and Aol, I worked on a TV show aimed
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  Speaker 2: at women's lifestyle concerns. I went to Nickelodeon. I actually
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  Speaker 2: even wrote some musicals and plays with a friend that
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  Speaker 2: I met at AOL. I took a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a detour and did some amazing work supporting immigrants and
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  Speaker 2: immigrants rights at a nonprofit for six years, and then
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  Speaker 2: I came back to media to run She Knows because
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  Speaker 2: I'm just really interested in what it's like to raise
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  Speaker 2: a teenager, being that I have one. I have a
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  Speaker 2: twelve year old, and I think that there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of parenting information out there for when you're pregnant and
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  Speaker 2: when you have a really young toddler, and there's a
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  Speaker 2: real need for community and support, but a lot of
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  Speaker 2: times people who have teenagers need the same amount of support,
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't see a space for that, and I
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  Speaker 2: thought She Knows was becoming that space where I could
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  Speaker 2: get all the expert advice. I could also learn from
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  Speaker 2: our Team Counsel, which is a group of one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and twenty teenagers that informs us about what are they thinking,
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  Speaker 2: what are the trends, what are they wish parents knew
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  Speaker 2: about them, how are they relating to the world. And
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  Speaker 2: because your own kid's certainly not going to tell you
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  Speaker 2: at home ever, they're going to close the door. She
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  Speaker 2: knows it's going to help you understand. And we really
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  Speaker 2: aim to be that connective tissue between parent and teenager
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  Speaker 2: and just support you on this journey when everybody's hormones
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  Speaker 2: are crazy. Everyone's hormones are out of control, and it
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  Speaker 2: just makes for like a banana soup.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I So I used to teach, and I taught
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  Speaker 1: kindergarten for one year and then I was like no,
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  Speaker 1: And then I went to fourth grade where they can
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  Speaker 1: use pencils and like describe things to you. But while
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  Speaker 1: I was teaching, I did our middle school drama club
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  Speaker 1: and so with teenagers. And then when I moved from
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  Speaker 1: teaching to working in theater, I did our after school
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  Speaker 1: camps and our summer camps, and those were mainly also
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  Speaker 1: geared towards teens. And I very rarely get nostalgic for
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  Speaker 1: like how I used to like be the hip lady
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  Speaker 1: that made all the teens dreams come true when it
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  Speaker 1: came to like theater. But my sister has recently just
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  Speaker 1: started teaching middle school and her and I were talking
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  Speaker 1: about her students yesterday, and I was like, sometimes I
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  Speaker 1: do miss it because I feel like I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I am constantly like why isn't there a twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: six version of now? And then how will the girls
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  Speaker 1: learn that they're the most important to one another? And
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  Speaker 1: then a teenager should be able to pop up and
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  Speaker 1: be like, miss Standley, you're being crazy. The movie you
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  Speaker 1: are describing is this current movie? And I'd be like,
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  Speaker 1: you're right, I didn't know that. I don't have cable anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Who does? But I would want to know what that
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  Speaker 2: movie is and I want to rent it, or maybe
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  Speaker 2: I don't, I want the option to rent it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And then sometimes I'm on Netflix and it feels
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  Speaker 1: like teen horror is having a resurgence, which I love.
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  Speaker 1: Teen horror race is. Yeah. And the last time I
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  Speaker 1: interacted with teens or even I just college age youth.
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  Speaker 1: I went to the reboot of I Know What You
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  Speaker 1: Did last summer. Oh, and these girls watched the movie.
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  Speaker 1: It was probably two o'clock on a Tuesday afternoon, because
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  Speaker 1: I go to cheap movie Day and I go when
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  Speaker 1: I hope no one else is going, And so these
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  Speaker 1: two young women were sitting next to me, and I
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  Speaker 1: could hear them as the credits were rolling be confused
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  Speaker 1: about the I Know What You Did Last Summer franchise
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  Speaker 1: and I had just listened to a podcast episode about it,
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  Speaker 1: and I and teen slashers are like my passion. So
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  Speaker 1: I was like, well, actually, the original I Know What
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  Speaker 1: You Did Last Summer was a very bad adaptation of
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  Speaker 1: a book. But then the guy who was writing the
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  Speaker 1: movie got obsessed with the Hookman folklore, so he took
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  Speaker 1: the folklore of the hook Man and he took this
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  Speaker 1: book and he made what sub would argue a terrible movie,
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  Speaker 1: but a movie that I love to watch. And I
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  Speaker 1: loved this movie because it played into all of the
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  Speaker 1: nostalgia of the first movie. And they're like, you're telling
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  Speaker 1: me that there's an original movie of this, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I'm telling you that there's upward to like
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  Speaker 1: five other movies in this franchise.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're doing the most important work.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, and they're all on Netflix. Because I
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  Speaker 1: watched the first two before I showed up today.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know how deeply you were embedded in the
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  Speaker 2: teen space. So can I ask you a slang question?
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  Speaker 2: Because we also we posted teen slang the week because
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  Speaker 2: there's some translation necessary for sure, And I hear at
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  Speaker 2: home a lot chat which might not be old or new,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm curious, what words have you learned?
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  Speaker 1: Oh good lord, it's so hard because I and it's
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  Speaker 1: probably again whatever spectrum of my brain is on or
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  Speaker 1: deep emotional trauma. But I just adapt everyone's vernacular. If
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  Speaker 1: I spend more than two days in Nashville, I come
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  Speaker 1: out sounding like Dolly Parton because I just want all
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  Speaker 1: of Nashville to accept me. So I just go into
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  Speaker 1: stores and I'm like, hey, y'all and they're like and
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  Speaker 1: people are like, where did this accent come from? And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just trying to fit in. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Every once in a while, my sister will
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  Speaker 1: throw out middle school slain. I know that six' seven
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  Speaker 1: is currently a big, one BUT i also know that
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  Speaker 1: it has no. Definition they just say it to say
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  Speaker 1: it to infuriate.
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  Speaker 2: Us, yes, yes that's all. True and six, SEVEN i
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  Speaker 2: think is on the. Decline so you, know, listeners send
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  Speaker 2: in your guesses as to what the next six seven
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  Speaker 2: is going to. BE i am.
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  Speaker 1: CURIOUS i don't, know BUT i do, like, oh WHEN
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  Speaker 1: i used to like CALL i, missed like the slaying
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  Speaker 1: of the pandemic when we were all calling things like
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  Speaker 1: bangers and bops AND i was like that slaps like
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  Speaker 1: these very active slaves that my friends were, like you
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  Speaker 1: have to stop calling things a bop And i'm, like
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  Speaker 1: it's a, mood it's a, vibe it's a. Bop they're, like.
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  Speaker 2: NO i love. Bop we're going to keep.
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  Speaker 1: Bop we got to keep. It like there was such
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  Speaker 1: wholesome slaying happening during the pandemic And i'm, like bring that.
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  Speaker 2: Back but it's a beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Thing, yeah it's a beautiful. THING I so we are
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  Speaker 1: here today to talk about she, knows and you've already
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  Speaker 1: started to touch on how it's different than other mom
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  Speaker 1: focused media because you are making sure to cover motherhood
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  Speaker 1: in the entire spectrum and not WHAT i would call like,
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  Speaker 1: mommy BECAUSE i feel like there are a lot of
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  Speaker 1: mommy blogs that you're right are peered towards toddler's and
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: currently my nephews are only three and one years, old
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  Speaker 1: SO i only have access to toddlers. Currently BUT i
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  Speaker 1: do know that my three year old is bossy now
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  Speaker 1: and he's going to boss me like hell when he's.
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  Speaker 2: Thirteen oh, Yeah and you, know my daughter showed who
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  Speaker 2: she was before she was a year and it's the
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  Speaker 2: exact same. Person and just to be, clear there's a
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  Speaker 2: deep need when your kids are toddlers for all these
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  Speaker 2: publications and support and, advice AND i just think there's
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  Speaker 2: less of it when your kids are. Teenagers but they're
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  Speaker 2: the same. People they just have this need to. Individuate
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  Speaker 2: they're trying to find, independence they're wanting, boundaries but they
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  Speaker 2: need to push against. Them it's just a complicated. Moment
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  Speaker 2: and because they're experiencing so, much LIKE i, said, hormones
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  Speaker 2: but more than that, too they have a different world
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  Speaker 2: to grow up. In you, know WHEN i was growing,
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  Speaker 2: up my parents had no idea WHERE i was at any,
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  Speaker 2: time never, ever and you just had to meet your
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  Speaker 2: friends and agree to meet there and that was. It
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  Speaker 2: there was no constant. Contact and if you weren't invited
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  Speaker 2: to a, party you didn't necessarily know it until much,
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  Speaker 2: later until somebody slipped up and mentioned the party in
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  Speaker 2: person in your. Face so it's just a very different
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  Speaker 2: environment with different. Stressors AND i think as a, parent
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  Speaker 2: when you grew up in a very different, time which
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  Speaker 2: is every. Generation it's important for you to understand how
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  Speaker 2: your kid is, responding and that's a tough. Job so
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  Speaker 2: we really do rely on the advice of. Experts we
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  Speaker 2: also rely on kids that are not our own to
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  Speaker 2: help us and help, them you, know be more. Candid they're, like,
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  Speaker 2: well you're not my parents, either SO i can tell
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  Speaker 2: you what's really.
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  Speaker 1: Happening, yeah which is so. Special AND i love when
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  Speaker 1: kids have a like a safe space to kind of
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  Speaker 1: like let it go and like maybe ask an adult
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  Speaker 1: for help BECAUSE i. Don't the team media THAT i
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  Speaker 1: was taking in was not Just. Slashers it was also
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  Speaker 1: The Pretty Little, liars the One Tree, Hills oh left,
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  Speaker 1: It And i'm, like where are all these? Parents no
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  Speaker 1: one has talked to a parent in? Seasons and my.
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  Speaker 2: Hot take for what was the show With? Belly why
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  Speaker 2: AM i blanking on the.
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  Speaker 1: Name with oh H, NOW i know what you can
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  Speaker 1: Edit the SUMMER I Turned Pretty summer.
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  Speaker 2: Hated my hot take for the summer THAT i Turn
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  Speaker 2: pretty is that the best relationship was With belly's mom And,
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  Speaker 2: conrad BECAUSE i thought it was really beautiful How connord
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  Speaker 2: was going through all this stuff and he turned To belly's,
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  Speaker 2: mom whose, Name i'm Also.
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  Speaker 1: Laurel, right, yeah it's something like, that and it might
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  Speaker 1: Be laurel BECAUSE i can PICTURE tv Clueless. Laurel.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah there was one scene in the car between them
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  Speaker 2: AND i was, LIKE i REALLY i thought it was
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  Speaker 2: just like a beautiful depiction of exactly what you. Said
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  Speaker 2: it was a vulnerable, space a safe. Space and the
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  Speaker 2: car honestly is WHERE i get the most information. Too
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  Speaker 2: it's something about being able to both of you look straight.
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  Speaker 2: Ahead it's like this very parallel play and kids will
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  Speaker 2: really tell you a. LOT i feel like a car
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  Speaker 2: ride is WHERE i get the most, information and being
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: In New, york it's really hard to get a car
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  Speaker 2: ride In.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no uh. NO i Watched The summer AND i
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  Speaker 1: turned pretty in like a fuch, state AND i was, like,
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  Speaker 1: Wow Team media is way prettier than it was WHEN
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: i was growing. Up and it just wraps up real
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  Speaker 1: quick because they only have ten. EPISODES i, GO i
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  Speaker 1: had to. Watch my sister tried to Rewatch One Tree
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  Speaker 1: hill and she called me and she, GOES i just
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: watched an entire episode and it was Just lucas And nathan,
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  Speaker 1: walking AND i was, like, yeah because they're mad At
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  Speaker 1: dan and why do you kick them off the? Bus
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  Speaker 1: and she's like, okay but it was fifty minutes of
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  Speaker 1: them just. Walking AND i was, like, ah that's called
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  Speaker 1: a filler. EPISODE i. Go when you have twenty four episodes,
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  Speaker 1: seasons hitt have something happening in every, episode that's.
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  Speaker 2: MADNESS i, know we got a full twenty two to
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  Speaker 2: twenty four. EPISODES i, mean we didn't know how good
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  Speaker 2: we had. It Now i'm lucky IF i get. Eight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah anything in your great.
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  Speaker 2: Episodes was my so called life that one season that
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  Speaker 2: would be like three seasons now OF.
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  Speaker 1: Tv yeah, Yeah well in De, grassy episodes are like
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  Speaker 1: thirty episodes, long the, good like the old Fashioned. Grassy it's.
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  Speaker 2: Incredible i'm ready for a renaissance of team. Shows hopefully
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  Speaker 2: co watching, too because, clearly look at, Us i'm watching
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  Speaker 2: the same. STUFF i want a, good you, know twenty episode,
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  Speaker 2: run that's WHAT i. WANT i want people.
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  Speaker 1: Walking the only REASON i got to See One Tree
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  Speaker 1: hill in its entirety when it's syndicated is because we
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: got the soap network for a mistake one, summer like
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  Speaker 1: it just added itself to our cable SO i would
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: wake up it'd be like three episodes Of, charm three
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: episodes Of One Tree, hill and then three episodes Of
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  Speaker 1: Beverlee hills NINE o two one. Oh so my mom
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  Speaker 1: would also just sit down and be like is it
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: nine oh two one oh? Yet AND i was, like,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: no and you missed? Er she's, like din. It and
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  Speaker 1: that's HOW i got to watch all the. Shows but
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  Speaker 1: you have to commit your entire body to the, lineup
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  Speaker 1: WHICH i think is something else that kids are missing.
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  Speaker 1: Nowadays they don't have to dedicate time. Slots, no if
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  Speaker 1: you missed, it that was. It if you missed, it
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  Speaker 1: that was. IT i, mean right, NOW i guess we have,
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  Speaker 1: Euphoria but that show stresses me. Out that was a
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  Speaker 1: hard watch for. Me, yeah And i'm still watching it this.
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  Speaker 1: Season i'm not sure. WHY i think it's just to
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  Speaker 1: remain in the. Discourse but that is my worst? Nightmare
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  Speaker 1: is a? Parent, well also it should be like a
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  Speaker 1: team's worst. Nightmare, yeah what are the teens think About?
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  Speaker 2: Euphoria i'm gonna ask them right after.
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  Speaker 1: This please do tell me, more please. Do i'm too
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  Speaker 1: scared to start season three because of all the stills
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  Speaker 1: THAT i just keep seeing of, it And i'm like
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  Speaker 1: maybe season three isn't for.
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  Speaker 2: Me season three has really taken a. Turn.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah when we were growing up and we were
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  Speaker 1: these teens that our mothers had to or someone had
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  Speaker 1: to raise, us how do you think misogyny shaped our
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  Speaker 1: mother's experience when it came to like mother based or
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  Speaker 1: women based.
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  Speaker 2: Media, yeah that's a really interesting question BECAUSE i see
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the same things coming back THAT i
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: dealt with as a, kid one being the Iconic Cape moss.
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  Speaker 2: Quote nothing tastes as good as skinny. Feels AND i
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  Speaker 2: think my, family but also probably many families had this
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  Speaker 2: unconscious pressure on their daughters or. Sons who, knows BUT
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  Speaker 2: i can speak from my experience as a girl growing
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  Speaker 2: up in this world or someone who identifies as a.
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  Speaker 2: WOMAN i consumed a lot of media with people who
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: were impossibly. Thin, yeah and that was almost, encouraged you.
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  Speaker 2: KNOW i can say my mom was on and off
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  Speaker 2: weight watchers, frequently AND i enjoyed those frozen, meals the chicken.
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  Speaker 2: Fettucini you, know it was, delish. INCREDIBLE i loved. It
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  Speaker 2: but those products sent a, message, right all of the
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: THINGS i was. CONSUMING i think even on NINE o two, one,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: oh there were episodes About. Bolimia there were episodes about
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: just trying to be As hollywood beautiful as you could,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: be and that really sunk in and colored my. Existence
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: AND i think it just speaks to the power of.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Media granted we were all watching the same thing because
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: we had put four or five, channels BUT i don't
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: THINK i received a lot of counter programming about, it
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: and that's. DIFFICULT i don't know how you viewed.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: It, NO i very much remember there being a lot
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: of you, know are we still allowed to say heroin
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: che because that's what the nineties was it. Was and
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: my sister AND i just had a pretty in depth
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: conversation because we are two women who have always lived
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: in bigger, bodies and we were talking about, how, like you,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: know our bodies have been smaller than they are, currently
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: they've been bigger than they are, currently and at the
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: end of the, day it never improved or hindered our
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: life that. Much but the world wants you to be
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: so convinced that it. Does like no one wants you
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: to be in a in a bigger, body and just like,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: content let alone, happy and every it feels like every
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: time someone in my peripheral life like really dedicates themselves
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: to a diet or a TikTok cleanse or exert sizing
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: more than they are used. To that, like it becomes
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: such a topic in our relationship and the relationship surrounding, me, like,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: well you, know so and so is training for a five,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: K and THEN i just, go you, KNOW i hate,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: running AND i don't understand why it's a. Hobby, NO
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: i don't like. It the Fastest i've ever ran IS
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: i was on the elliptical AND i was Reading The,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: martian and every Time mars got really tense for, him
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: my heart rate would also, spike AND i just found
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: myself moving, faster like to try and get the chapter with,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: over like or something, like oh, NO i don't like,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: this so Now i'm running, faster just in. Solidarity but
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: it's truly the only TIME i felt called to.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Run and was that the one where they form potatoes potatoes, yeah,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: yeah And mars and it was all that, starch just
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: forcing your body.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Emotionally, EMOTIONALLY i just really he felt for, him and
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: it's the last TIME i felt something for a. Man
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: BUT i do feel like it's so and now you're
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: raising a twelve year old, yeah AND i feel LIKE
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: i feel like WHEN i was growing, up my mother
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: never talked to me about bodies, directly but the world
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: and how the world made her feel about her body
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: made me, go, oh MAYBE i should be feeling about
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: my body a certain. Way and if she was doing weight,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: WATCHERS i too was doing weight. Watchers she used to
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: bribe me to go to curves with, like she'd be,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: like the bead stores just next, door and if you
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: do the whole, Circuit i'll give you twenty dollars to go.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Wild because the flip side of being a mother is
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: you have to do something with these kids in order
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: to do something that you want to. Do so IF
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: i had to be somewhere when she was going to,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: curves so she was, like, so now go to curves
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: with me and we'll go to The barnes And noble.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Afterwards BUT i do feel it coming, back AND i
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: FIND i loved pandemic TikTok it was so fun and
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: we were all just dancing and making funny. Noises but
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: now every third TikTok ad is just like, a, hey
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: did you get this lip? Plumper And i'm, like, no
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: my lips don't need to be plumped or hey do
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: you have this slimming swimsuit and it's, like, NO i.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: DON'T i have a regular. Swimsuit AND i.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Think to some, degree media doesn't always create the, problem
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: but it reflects back the problems that are already emerging
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: that have come from social media or you, know trends
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: that are somewhat out of our, control and are is to, say,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: hey this is, Happening we're going to cover, it and
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: we're going to reflect back what we see happening in.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: SOCIETY i also think there are moments when the media
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: can be problematic in terms of what photos you select
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: of a celebrity can really tell a different, story and
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: it can tell a specific story and what the caption
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: is under. That you, know if you see an emaciated
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: skeleton walking down a runway and or at a red,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: carpet are you, saying you, know looks? Amazing and that
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: sends a message to young people all over the.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: World, well and another thing that's currently happening to young
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: people all over the, world but mostly in this, country
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: is that we're killing media literacy on. Purpose so as
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: a thirty seven year old this past, Year i've lived
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Through taylor swift announcing an engagement and a new album
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: of the movie centers being an undeniable box office smash
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: hit and things like. That And i've watched publications that
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: were usually pretty LIKE i could trust this, publication be, like,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Actually sinners is a bad, movie because why would vampires
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: ever be in The south of all? Places and it's,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Like i'm pretty sure that's where all the vampires. Are
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: that was my. Understanding that's What Anne rice told. ME
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: i believe An, rice BELIEVE i believe. Women and, then you,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: know at thirty seven years, OLD i also have to
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: live with the fact that new people are Finding Anne
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: rice's literature and being, like, nanty this is fucked. Up
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: And i'm, LIKE i, know and my mom handed it
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: to me WHEN i was fourteen to be LIKE i
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: like these books and you will, too BUT i and honestly,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: LIKE i don't want to slip like slander. Anyone but
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: the way that headlines are starting to really lean, conservative
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and the way that they're talking about people of color
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: and immigration and art made by women and people of
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: color is you can Just i'm constantly, like why aren't
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you patronizing?
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: ME i think it really has been a more hostile
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: time for women and women artists and female driven storylines
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: in the past couple of years for reasons we all
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: know and don't have to get. Into BUT i think
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: it's more important than. Ever as you said at the
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: top of our conversation about the trust, economy Which i've
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: been REALLY i don't know harping on for lack of
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: a better, word is figuring out those publications who you
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: can trust to tell those stories that aren't being told.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Everywhere AND i think it's moved away a lot from
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: simply the name of a publication to a certain, authors
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: certain writer that's either has their own platform on you,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: know substack or ghost Or instagram or, TikTok and then
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: who are also a part of. Publications we're very thoughtful
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: about our coverage that she, knows you. Know we talked
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: a lot about the movies that are portraying motherhood in
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: a certain, way and we Covered Adam's apple For South By,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: southwest which was a story of trans. Youth AND i
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: think it's just important that you find those voices and
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: those artists who are telling authentic stories that are, EXPLAINING
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: i don't know what life is like in this modern
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: society and it's at a premium now because there's so much,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: slot because there's so MUCH, ai because we're all gaming an,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: algorithm because a lot of publications maybe have been bought
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: by certain people with certain.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Agendas since you brought up movies and how they depict,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: motherhood have you seen IF i Had lakeside pick.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: YOU i really wanted to see. It it evoked such
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: a visceral reaction from me just watching the snippets THAT i,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: did AND i was, LIKE i don't know If i'm
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: strong enough to see this right. Now but we did
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: interview the director and she's a, hero loved.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: HER i SO i watched. IT i had wanted to
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: see it in the movie, theater but movies don't stay
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: very long in the theaters unless they are The mario.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Movie so it's, like if you're not on your app
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: at the right, day you're gonna miss the movie That,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: LIKE i didn't get to See forbid And fruits in
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: it at South By southwest or in the movie, theater
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: And i'm still mad about. It BUT i SO i watched,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: it AND i texted my horror. FRIENDS i was, Like,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Hey i'm going to Start IF i Had lakeside pick
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: you and like grown women who do not even have.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Kids it's texted me. BACK i turned it off in fifteen.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Minutes it was too. STRESSFUL i can see, it But i'm.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Sick AND i do love when horror movies depict just
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the nuance of motherhood being a horror in, itself Because i'm, like, yes,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: YES i.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Mean it's it's a REAL i think you said it
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: best with. Nuance BUT i wanted to circle back to
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: something you said earlier about horror having this moment, right,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: like why do you feel like horror is doing the
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: best job right now at telling authentic stories OR i
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: just feel like it's the most exciting genre at the.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Moment, NO i very much feel the exact same. Way
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: we've done like three episodes On horror And Final girls in.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: General BUT i think it's honestly because no one takes horror,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: seriously which is odd to say because this Past Oscars
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: sinners was the most nominated movie In oscar, history and
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: then the year Before Subs Demi moore won A Golden
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: globe For substance for The substance AND i was as
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: a horror, FAN i was like on the edge of
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: my like no one could tether me down about, that
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: AND i was, like that's, right BECAUSE i told you
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: horror is the feminist, genre AND i told you it's
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: the only one that actually depicts what women are going,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: through and then it also turns us into a hero
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of the, times like we got to escape
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: our own. Circumstance SO i think unfortunately horror gets to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: make all of these leaps and bounds when it comes
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: to the female experience because no one's taking it, seriously
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: so they kind of get to do whatever they. Want
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: AND i feel like there's been a long history of
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: people just kind of schlepping off horror as like some
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: trash genre Where i'm, LIKE i could literally do fifteen
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Ted talks if they would let me on How, barbarian
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: a movie written and directed by a, man is rooted
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: in every woman's, experience and every male character in that
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: movie represents a man that women have to low key,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: ask AM i afraid of? You CAN i trust?
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: You? Yes i've really Enjoyed barbarian in a way that is.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: SURPRISING i don't even know IF i should say the word,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Enjoyed LIKE i was really invested in the.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Movie we went and Saw barbarian in the theaters after
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: a book club and in person book, club it was
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: LIKE i was, Like, hey they're going to Do barbarian
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: at nine. O'CLOCK i think we should. Go and it
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: was like, me my Friend, sam maybe another friend and
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: some guy from book, club and then like a smattering
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: OF i think movie theater employees who were like watching
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the last movie of the night AND i we clapped
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: when it was. OVER i had never felt more seen
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: in a. Movie and THEN i had to go listen
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: to men talk about the movie and they were like
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: and the biggest twist of all was that they thought
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: That Scary Scars guard was going to be the worst,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: man and it turns out he wasn't even the. Villain
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: AND i was, Like scary Stars guard was a different
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: type of. Villain he's the nice guy villain that pushes
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: and pushes and pushes on your boundary until you are
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: drinking his tea or his glass of, wine or you're
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: unlocking your bedroom door just in case something might happen
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: that would be. SPICY i, go he's the worst kind
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: of villain because no one actually perceives him as a.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Villain AND i think that was a lot of What
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Promising Young woman really held up as. WELL i think
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: it Was Adam brodie's character who was like the nice guy,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: yes and then he was.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Well and they Had Promising Young women did like a
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: litany of oh you think this guy's a nice guy,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: bam and you'd be, like oh, no not a nice,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: guy And barbarian did it With Justin lan, too and then,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: yeah and then people had to remind me that there
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: was an unaired episode of that Stupid Ashton kutcher. Show
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: what was that called was punped. Punk there was an
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: unaired punked episode where they like Made Justin lan believe
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: he had like asked an unair age girl on a
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: date or, something and he had like a complete Like
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: i'm not going down for the, smeltdown so not to be.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Trusted can you Be? Justin BUT i also read an
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: article and a take On Promising Young woman that there
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: are some people who think That Promising Young woman is
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: actually supposed to be really strong satire and if we
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: hadn't been in the pandemic when a majority of us watched,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: it it would have become more of a cult classic
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: just because it is kind of campy and, silly AND
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: i was, like, yeah it makes the perfect use Of
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Paris Hiltan's The stars Have. EYES i mean the stars are,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: blind stars are, blind but starts the stars have.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: EYES i mean that's your horror movie right, There the
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: stars have.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Eyes you're, Writing, yeah a zodiac based horror movie about
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: the stars always watching. Us AND i already have my.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Ticket and that's Why capricorn's lives are. Hard go to,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: GOAT i, agree go to GO i BUT i love
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: promising young women My some of my friends are, LIKE
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: i don't, understand like movies that are just rooted in.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Revenge what's the. Point AND i was, like, well the
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: point is is that you married your very nice first
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: boyfriend And i've had to slumt on dating apps with
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: gas lighters and manipulators and cheaters and all of. It
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and SO i have some revenge THAT i could kick
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: up IF i really needed.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: To, well just to Play devil's. Advocate Isn't John wick
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: an entire four part series about? Revenge maybe?
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Five? Yeah because of the dog, Right i've never watched
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: it BECAUSE i know that the dog gets GOT i,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: know too.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Hard animal cruelty can't do.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: IT i can't do. It they tricked me into SEEING
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I Am legend by being, like don't, worry it's a zombie.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Movie and Then Will smith has to you, know sing
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to his dying, dog AND i was, Like i'm never
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: recovering from.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: This too, hard too.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: HARD i cried throughout the Entire New Muppet movie as an,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: adult and my dad took me to the movie mistake
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: and he was, like why are you? Crying what is?
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: HAPPENING i was, LIKE i don't want to live in
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: a world where The buppets are a roll a. Bit
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: how did we like this? Happened he's, like when was
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: the last time The muppets were ON? Tv why would
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: we let that? Happen though.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: It's, True you're, right why did we let it? Happen
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: we have to ask ourselves the tough.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Questions, yeah AND i think it's Because Miss piggy is
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: too powerful and men know. It she empowers us too
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: much icon she's an.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Icon but, Yeah i'm curious like this in this space
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: right where there is a lack of trust, overall and
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: you need to earn the trust from your. Audience AND
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: i think certain directors do earn my trust AND i
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: go see them AND i believe their stories And i'm
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: invested in their. Stories you, know who are you trusting right? Now,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Like i'm just curious who your people.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Are who DO i trust right?
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Now That's Chelsea, debontez who we both.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: TRUST i Trust. Chelsea, yeah maybe that's. Well and If
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: i'm going to Trust, Chelsea i'm going to Trust Ashley
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Nicole black executive. PRODUCER i believe at least a producer
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: credit and writing credit On shrinking because this season Of
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: shrinking was some of the best Television i've. Watched AND
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: i made sure to post on one of her videos
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: AND i was, LIKE i need you to know just,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: PERSONALLY i enjoy hanging out with that cast so, Much
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: like WHEN i get to turn that cast on for twenty,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: minutes it's a rip roaring good. Time AND i love
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: each one of them as. Individuals WOULD i Leave jimmy
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: alone with the? Baby, no BUT i Love, jimmy wouldn't
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: leave him alone with the. Baby but who DO i trust?
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Currently it's so, Hard Ryan. COOGLER i used to Trust
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Emerald funnel and then we Had Horning.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Heights you Watched Wathering.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: HEIGHTS i didn't watch. IT i just watched all the discourse,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: happen and then people told me it was kind of,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: boring SO i didn't go see. IT i was, like,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: well if it's not gonna be fun, SKANKY.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I think you should watch it as it's streaming starting.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow oh does it start tomorrow's? Streaming but yourself to
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: a stream? Yeah, Oh. GRETA i Trust. GRETA i cannot
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: wait for Her narnia. ADAPTATION i believe she's also. Doing
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: is she doing this new mini series On pride And
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: prejudice on The Bennett's.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Sisters, OH i don't. KNOW i have to look that up.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: BECAUSE i remember that preview coming out before The narnia,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: preview AND i was, like why Is greta showing me
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: this when she could be showing me A narnia. PREVIEW
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I Gina. Davis she has a whole institute on how
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: to make sure that people are equally represented in, media
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: and THEREFORE i trust. HER i Trust JOHN. M. Chew
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Those wicked movies really got, me AND i trust. Him
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: he seems very. Kind AND i still Trust Lenn Manuel.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: MIRANDA i do trust. HIM i DO i trust. HIM
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: i went and Saw Michelle bhuteau at The Chicago theater
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, ago AND i trust her and
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: so Does lenny kraviats so wait? What oh, YEAH i
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: won't spoil her entire new, set but like the first
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes is about her finally getting to Meet Lenny. Kravitz,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: wow because in her last special THAT i think is
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: On hulu Or, netflix she does a tight five to
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: seven minutes about How Lenny kravitz followed her On instagram
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: and they were mutuals and her husband was, like SHOULD
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: i be worried About Lenny? Kravitz and she was, like
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: every husband should be worried About Lenny. Kravitz so, Yeah
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: i'm gonna be real with. You you should. Be i'm
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: going to open this marriage right up if he.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: CALLS i THINK i think that he has passed that
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: quality on to his, daughter because, Oh Hobby kravitz can
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: have anyone she. Wants you, know this engagement between her
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: And Harry styles has rocked my. World oh my?
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: God and you know what do you watch hacks? On? Ah? Okay?
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Did BUT i love this last episode Of. HACKS i
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: need to make a TikTok. On it Has conrad from
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: the SUMMER i turned pretty in it and he's a,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: musician And i'm, like, oh it was so nice Of
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: hacks to let me know just how insufferable it would
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: be to hang out With Harry. Styles thank you so.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Much so who the writers Of? HACKS i also trust.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Them it's just trust is such a tricky. Word because
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: a silly. STORY i was in a shop one day
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: and there were these, handmade repurposed denim jackets and one
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: of them had Posts malone on the, back AND i
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: cracked up because there was a significant part of my
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: depression around the release Of Tortured Poet's department By Taylor.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Swift that Post malone is on that people were taking
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: videos of his concerts and his stupid dances and then
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: putting the Saddest Taylor swift songs over, them and it
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: made me, laugh and it was like meditation for, free
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: AND i would just watch. Hours it was like me
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: watching when people take the sims and make them The
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: shrek characters and it's Like shrek had a baby with Snow.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: White that's. HILARIOUS i don't know. Why SO i told my,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: SISTER i was, like SHOULD i get this Post malone?
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Jacket and it Was International Women's, day so she tried
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: to text our mom and she was, like, Hey, Mom
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Happy International Women's. Day don't know if you Know namley
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: needs one hundred dollars for this Post malone, jacket but
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: she's a hyper focused on so if you could just
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: said that to, us that would be. Great AND i
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: was just like laughing so hard AND i tried it.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: On it fit like a, glove BUT i walked away
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: from it and my sisters, like do you want to
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: go back and get that? Jacket AND i, went, NO
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: i go BECAUSE i know the moment THAT i swiped
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: my card for this ridiculous jacket THAT i just think
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: is hilarious that a woman will come forward about Post
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: malone and why WOULD i waste the? Money, OH i just,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: know Like i'll jinx it BECAUSE i think Post and
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: then the women of color in my life were, like
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Post malone is a. Culture culture AND i was, like
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: you are, correct and that's WHY i don't have his.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Jacket oh my, god you were so close and it
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: was right there for.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: You it was right, there and it was so, funny
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: like it was just a ridiculously obnoxious. JACKET i can't
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: name one Post malone song Besides fortnite that Is Taylor swift's.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Song BUT i just thought that those videos were so
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: funny and comforting because they were ridiculous THAT i was,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: LIKE i need this. Jacket Post malone has become important
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: to my. Psyche it's kind of like how The Summer
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: house cast are the most important people in my life
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: currently AND i don't trust any of, them BUT i
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: will follow them into hell if that's where they want
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: to lead.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: ME i really THINK i need to get on board
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: With summerhouse because this latest scandal HAS i think IF
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: i would have been, invested this would have been a,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: GOOD i don't, know two weeks of my life WHERE
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: i would have an amazing parasocial relationship to the whole. Cast,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Yes i'd be living this.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Drama there's still, time is?
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: There SHOULD i catch?
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Up it's time you should just catch up on ten
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: whole seasons before this. Reunion i've done. It i've been
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: rewatching it during my quiet time WHEN i can't have
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: it be. Quiet So i'm Like lindsay yell At. Carl
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: This commanda scandal is so rot in everything that this
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: cast stands. For it's women betraying. Women it's a friendship
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: breakup it's men who just manipulate women to get. Ahead
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: UH i. AM i actually needed to text my Friend
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: annie to be, like we have to do A scamanda.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Episode it's everything AND i need to know from, you
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: just Because i've, been you, know pulled into this as
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: we all. Have it's like a gravitational force that we
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: all need to know about this summer house. Scandal what
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: is it About west that is making him so? Appealing
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: BECAUSE i saw some, PICTURES i saw some clips AND
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: i didn't get it.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Well and this is HOW i. Knew this is HOW
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: i knew THAT i view men on a spectrum that
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: other women don't because everyone tried to tell, Me, oh
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: he's so charming and he's so, funny AND i was,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: like he looks like one of my exes and they're, like,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: WHAT i, go he looks like one of my? Exes
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: like who hates? Me and let me tell you WHO
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: i don't trust kind of short, MAN i don't trust.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: THOUGH i was, like he has bad, skin he has
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: a constant sunburn all of the, time which is actually beer.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: RASH i forgot that the constant sunburn is in fact from,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: beer and that's what Turns ben red like that. ALWAYS
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: i never saw the lid appeal of, him even When
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: sierra was like entertaining, it even when like people were,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: LIKE i don't, Know he's just like so nice and
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: like so grounded and so, normal AND i was, like
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: he's not. Normal he's a people. Forget he's A TikTok.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Celebrity he is one of the original. Guys he's not
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: the talented, guy but he is the guy that watches
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the talented. Guy he has like a whiteboard and dry erace,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: markers and he explains all of The bravo and or
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: other REALITY tv, Drama like he makes a family tree
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: like a football, plan and Then west would watch. It
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: so he was already A TikTok, celebrity which is how
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: you get On Summer house is by being already kind
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: of fame. Adjacent BUT i didn't trust. HIM i have
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: to imagine That Jesse slomon smells bad because none of
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the women will kind of entertain. It i'm, like what
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: is it About jesse's vibes that are so repulsive that
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: they gravitate Towards west because he's actually. FUNNY i heard.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: That west was, funny and this was the whole, thing.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: And you know, what funny men did have me very
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: very commenced THAT i was straight for a very very long.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Time because people love to, laugh and when you're, laughing
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: you're usually not, afraid or you're forgetting to be afraid
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: of what's happening around.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: You you, Know funny is My achilles. Heel i'll do
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: just about anything IF i think you're, funny and funny
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: that you say. That because someone THAT i trust and
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: is actually coming to perform in my neck of the
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: woods soon Is Jenny, slake WHO i trust. Implicitly And
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: i'm always believed in comedy as the right messenger for
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: the truth BECAUSE i really think there are painful things
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: that people can't talk, about but if you're able to
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: make light of, it then it's okay and now you
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: can handle it and you can process it and you
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: can share in that. Moment and, actually we just are
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: launching our first comedy event For She knows On Mother's
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: day and on Her Mother's day Called Laughing Through. It
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: we're partnering With Underground Overground, comedy who does comedy and unusual,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: places and we're popping up AT Z bars and it's
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: all these comedians that are going to riff on parenting
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: because sometimes the moments when parenting is the hardest are
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: really hard and you do need to laugh through. It
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: SO i do trust a lot of. Comedians not all,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: meetings of, course BUT i think that comedy can be
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: used as a tool to really create, community bring people,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: together and there are some THAT i really do feel
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: LIKE i trust. You, obviously not last we saw what,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: happened but people who can be funny and, Insidious i'm, like,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: oh that's such a problem Because i'm laughing. First.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah it took me the longest of long times to
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: stop Trusting Whitney commings Because Whitney comings got me through
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of my codependency bullshit through therapy BECAUSE i
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: would take her bits and chapters from her book and
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: be LIKE i feel this, way and my therapist would be,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: like oh, okay AND i was, Like i'm not going
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: to say it Because whitney said it for. Me this
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: is HOW i, Feel and she's, like do you want
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: to describe the? Feeling AND i go, No i'd rather.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: DIE i was really great at. Therapy but also, like
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: so When Whitney cummings very very publicly just started to
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: go THE i was at a live show AND i
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: saw the writing on the walls AND i was, like,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: oh when He cummings is going to go the turf
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: route and this is and NOW i have to describe
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: my social media because this will be embarrassing for me.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Later oh But Taylor thomlinson is another. One So jenny's
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Lay Michelle, williams did you Watch dying For? Sex that
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: show was.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Beautiful Loved dying For. SEX i sobbed Through dying FOR
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: i was, like Give Michelle williams every award that you possibly.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: CAN i thought the writing was. BEAUTIFUL i thought the
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: relationships are. Beautiful it hit every.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Note yeah, Someone. Yeah it was just a great AND
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: i always have a soft spot For Michelle. Williams you're
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: not allowed to surprise me With Michelle williams because THEN
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: i am reminded that her Daughter matilda never got to
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Have Heath ledger as a. Dad and Then i'm just,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Weeping so please continue to cast her in sad stuff
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Because i'm weeping, Anyways LIKE i.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Be love that you're not allowed to surprise me With Michelle.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Williams, well because After prince, died people kept surprising me
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: with performances Of Purple, rain AND i was, like how
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: dare You i'm, Grieving i'm in a bold. Veil what
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: are you? Doing and it was the same When David bowie.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: DIED i hate to do, this BUT i do have to,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: ask Is beyonce coming out with A prince inspired rock?
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Album due to her latest, POST.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I, hope So, BEE i hope.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: SO i was Like Purple, RAIN i don't.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: KNOW i Loved Cowboy carter AND i still Love Cowboy
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: oh talking about how hard it is to lose trust
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: due to. Media as you, Know i'm going through the
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: hardest of heart breakups With Taylor swift because it turns
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: out that billionaires are bad even when they're pretty blonde
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: and they sing all of your. Feelings AND i fully
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: believe that she's to marry that big football man so
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: her daddy loves her and that they will then be
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: The republican Prom canane.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Queen BECAUSE i can't go on this journey with, YOU
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: i have to. SAY i went to The ears.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Tour so DID i my.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: DAUGHTER i. CRIED i also want my best. FRIEND i,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: cried AND I i guess.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Are three episodes of the show about?
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: You, YEAH i don't know THAT i am fully bought
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: in on any change of heart of, hers AND i
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: also have trouble believing that any narrative about her is
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: accurate because there's so much and it's it reminds me
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: how hard it is to know the actual. Person DO
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: i Think Joe alwyn was a superior? MUSE i absolutely.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: DO i think that you know his the body of
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: work that came out of her during their relationship will
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: always hit for. ME i don't know that The travis
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: era is hitting the, same BUT I i'm having trouble
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: reconciling the fact That i'll never really know Who Taylor swift,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: is and therefore it is hard for. ME i can't,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: disconnect BUT i also can't judge. Her so we've not broken.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Up taylor AND i are still in a relationship that
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: she doesn't know, about and she's still a very important
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: connective tissue between me and my, child AND i can't say.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, NO i respect, It and by broken, UP i
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: mean That i'm not listening to the new, music BUT
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: i still do the ten minute version Of All Too
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: well once a week because that is.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Therapy, yeah and you know what they have at a
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Karaoke And i've never turned it. DOWN i was, like ten,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Minutes i'm, sorry this.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Is it Has one time my friend got really drunk
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: at a bar and she's, like you don't. Understand when
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: you pay on the jukebox for two dollars for a,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: song you can get the ten minute version Of all Too,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: well and it's like three songs for your two. Dollars
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: you could just buy shake it, off but that's not
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: worth your. Money AND i was, LIKE i, understand she's providing.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Value he's giving us a, discount and we love. THAT
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: i but that does bring me into the REASON i
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: reached out to you to begin. With AND i was so.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Mad i'm always mad BECAUSE i just feel like she's
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: too young to be going through it. ALREADY i was
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: so mad at that soccer player for being like Chapel
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: rone bullied my kid in an airport and the entire
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: internet being, like of course she. Did she's a. Bitch
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: and you, Know chapelone is so ridiculously, talented and people
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: hate talented, women like and that's the end of the.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Lawn in the short of it is that people hate talented.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Women they don't know what to do when women are
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: undeniably talented and when that man was just like you should.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: HAVE i truly don't even believe that chaperone knew that
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: a child was in the, airport let alone bullied a.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Child but we figured out, that just like with The
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Taylor swift backlash on the last No The life of A,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Showgirl i'm always trying to make it That Pam anderson.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Movie but we found out that most of it was
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: like the same box that bully me on. YouTube it
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: was it actually real fans or real. Discourse, yeah AND
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: i think that's. Dangerous it's.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Scary, Yeah and it's scary because we inherently believe, it
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: because it feels like that could be the. Truth AND
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: i think about the messages THAT i received as a
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: kid to be, polite as you, know as kind AS
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: i could, be to be, forgiving to be, quiet to be,
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: pleasing and that flies in the face of a lot
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: of the multidimensionality that women. Are we should be able
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: to be many, things and you can be in a bad,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: mood and let's, say for, Instance Chapel room did yell
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: at a kid LIKE i don't, KNOW i do feel
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: like she's being her authentic. Self she is a person
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: THAT i trust to speak her mind and to be
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: exactly who she. Is and it shouldn't be a crime
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: to have a bad moment or a bad. Day but
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: the fact is we've been so conditioned to just take
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: it as. Fact now with all of, this you, KNOW ai,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: proliferation we. Can't and what you said about media literacy
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: is exactly, Right like we have to be teaching, kids
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: we have to be teaching ourselves to be, critical to
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: be critical. Thinkers and it does come for, WOMEN i,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: think disproportionately.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Well and it happen and even before it was happening
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: To Chapel, roon it was happening To Renee, rap WHO
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: i am a fan, of and HONESTLY i THINK i
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Trust Renee. Rap but you know there are people who are, like,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: well you, know all of this could be fixed if
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: these women would take THEIR pr training. Seriously and NOW
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: i kind of have a hot take ON pr AND i,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: wonder as someone who actually works in the, media what
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: you think of. THIS i think that people are so
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: desperate to have women and stars in general HAVE pr
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: training because it makes your average white man comfortable and
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: never having to face hard. Things.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Hmm i'll have to think about. THAT I i think
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: we like a certain as a. SOCIETY i think be
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: like a certain presentation of a. Woman you like it
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: even more when we can crack. It AND i don't
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: know if that's for the comfort of men or, not
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: BUT i think it's a dangerous place to be when
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: we are asking people to slack themselves only so we
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: can take a hammer to.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: It. Yeah, well and you, know at the before we
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: hit record and we were talking about kind of the
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: end name ceremony of the, episode and it was, like
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: don't worry if you can't think of A mai station
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: on the, FLY i always throw Out AND i Hope
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Amanda bndes had a good day like you AND i
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: lived through a very heinous part Of fame history where
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: we Watched amanda BND i could probably paint the cover
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: of the magazine With britney spears bald and smashing in
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: the car by. Memory IF i was a better, DRAWER
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: i would sketch it out right, now to be LIKE
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: i can do that from. Memory that is something that
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: is ingrained in my brain forever and for always and
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: now as a thirty seven year, OLD i realized that
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: that there was such a slow setup for us not
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: being able to Trust Amanda, Bynds Britney, Spears Jessica simpson
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: being able to govern what size her body was or
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: even reporting actively on the size of her body that there.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Was that it all came by a death by a thousand.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Cuts as to why When Britney spears went under a,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: conservatorship we were, like, yeah someone should be babysitting, her
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: like she's wild and her kids are in. Danger and
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: then you start to pay attention and you're, like oh,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: no they needed her money and they decided that they
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: should be the only people who have her. Money The
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Britney spears of it all still.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: HURTS i feel like she was so adept in navigating the,
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: media and you look back at those questions that she
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: was asked and she, navigated but she was given beautifully
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: and then you, know things happened and we all turned on,
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: her AND i don't, KNOW i. AGREE i wish her,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: well like ALL i. Want ALL i want is For
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: brittany to have a good.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Day her And Amanda, Vines AND i Guess Amanda vines
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: is going to be a nail tech but also possibly a.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: RAPPER i think the last TIME i heard as whatever
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: you want to, Do, Amanda i'm fine with. IT i
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: am whatever you want to. Do BUT i and to
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: think that. Well and So Sabrina carpenter is another one
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: of my pop divas who is kind of a controversial
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: figure because she's A disney star who's decided that she's
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: sexy and she is indeed.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Indeed but when.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Her Man's Best friend album came out and it was
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: kind of like her in a submissive dog pose with
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: someone off screen Holding alish or, whatever the internet went
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: wild and my sister coffee and she's, like, Listen i've
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: never listened To Sabrina carpenter before she. Goes but all
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: of a, Sudden i'm getting These juno poses all over my,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: TikTok and this is what people are screaming. ABOUT i, go,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: yes she. Goes it's truly the most sugary pop way to, be,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Like i'm sexy and SOMETIMES i too would do The
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Eiffel tower if you asked. Me go, right it's all.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Satire she's, winking she's having fun with, us and people
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: just cannot get past.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: IT i, Yeah Sabrina carpenter AND I i think are
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: still figuring things, out Like taylor AND i are still
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: in a, relationship But sabrina AND i are just trying
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: to you, know we're figuring.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Out. YEAH i do think That sabrina And chapel, too
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Because chapel will blur the boundaries when it comes to
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: her outfits and how she. PERFORMS i Think sabrina And
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: chapel will fall into this pop star queendom where it's,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: like we still very much want to view you as
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: someone who is safe for, teenagers but you are also
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: grown women who are making art about a grown woman's.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Experience so now we don't know what to do with.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: You AND i think the teenagers gravitate towards aspirational. Life
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: so there was WHEN i was growing, up you, know
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: seventeen MAGAZINE i feel like was read by twelve year
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: olds because it was, like, oh what would a prom be?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Like i'm picturing myself that. Way and so we have
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of artists now WHO i think teenagers look
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: up to because we're always at that age wondering what
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: will it be like for me WHEN i grew up
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: and who DO i want to? Become And i'm trying
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: on a lot of identities to figure out what feels.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Right SO i think we need to give a lot
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: of grace to our kids listening to a lot and
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: figuring things, out and also a lot of grace to
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: these pop stars or directors or authors who are making
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: art from their own experience and are sort of out
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: of control a little bit of how it's going to
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: be interpreted and how it's going to be.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: Seen, Yeah AND i feel like that patience wars thin
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: when you're looking at a female artist and you're, like,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: WELL i don't have any patience for you to upset.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Me, Yeah AND i think we've seen it so many
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: times where women are built up only to be knocked,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: down which is why it's important when you're in a
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: position to create a narrative as a member of the,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: media to think about women as three dimensional people and
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: think about that narrative as multi.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Layered. Yeah, well and you, know WHEN i was growing,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: UP i was very unsupervised when it came TO. TV
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: i was a high ability, kid so my mom would
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: just make me buy books based on, length and she was,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: like you can't read any of the middle school books
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: because you'll get through them in ten minutes And i'm
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: not coming, back so get a longer. Book i'd be, like,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: okay and my mom was actually kind of like WHEN
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: i was eight years old AND i had really bad
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: anxiety and induced. INSOMNIA i would come downstairs and my
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: mom would be watching Unrated Dirty dancing on one of
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: the women. Networks it Wasn't. Lifetime what was the other?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: One, Oh Lifetime Women's.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Network, right, yeah there Was, lifetime but then it was
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: the other one that had like, me, no it had
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: did you SAY? We it probably did be W E. Entertainment,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: yeah it was PROBABLY. We and when it would be
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: late enough at, night they'd be, like and now you
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: can have THE r rated version Of Dirty dancing with
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: the abortion and the.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Movies this is driving me. Nuts why DON'T i know this?
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Network it's the one that had snapped on, it SO
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: i think that IS.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: We?
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Okay the anama. IS i would sit down at all,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: eight at the ripe old age of, eight AND i
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: would watch the unedited version Of Dirty, dancing having only
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: seen the edited FOR tbs version Of Dirty, dancing And
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: i'd be, like, mom why Is penny? Crying why does
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: her tummy? Hurt and my, mom not wanting to explain
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: to me what an abortion, was was like leave me,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: alone AND i was, LIKE i, understand thank. You And
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: i'd be, like, mom when did they start having sex
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: in this? Movie and my mom want to explain to
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: me why they were having would be, like if you're gonna,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: talk just go to. Bed i'd be, LIKE i understand.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: THAT i would be quiet SO i could watch THE
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: r rated. Movie, HOWEVER i was also a girl who
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: in the third grade could not go See titanic in,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: theaters even THOUGH i was convinced my entire class had
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: gotten to and really one girl had gotten. Too oh.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Wow AND i talked to my parents every. DAY i was,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: LIKE i want to See titanic in theaters and they'd be, like,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: no there's, boobs And i'd be, like, OH i want
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: to See titanic in. Theaters it's a historical. Movie it's
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: part of my. Education and they'd be, like, no they
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: have sex in a, carriage AND i feel LIKE hi
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: went To honestly sex. Aside titanic is a scary. Movie
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: do not take eight year olds to see. It it's so.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Horrifying it's.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Alarming and NOW i feel Like i'm a member of
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: the orchestra just playing as the ship is going.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Down, yeah BUT i remember my we finally got the
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: TWO vhs set Of titanic because it was so, long
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: it had to be on two and my mom knew
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: the they were about to get down in the carriage
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: and she would probably have let it, slide but my
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: dad was with her because my mom was, LIKE i
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: just feel, like why should we monitor what the children are?
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Watching and my dad was, like go sit, upstairs AND
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: i like crept. UPSTAIRS i pretended to walk the rest
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: of the, stairs and THEN i crept back downstairs AND
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: i just like tilted my head SO i could see
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: that sweaty hand flop onto the stage coach AND i was,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Like i'm a changed. Woman titanic did that for, me
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: but it was so weird what my parents would and
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: would not argue about what was appropriate television for. ME
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: i REMEMBER i got to watch every episode Of friends
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: UNTIL i was old enough to understand what like serial
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: dating and having sex with a bunch of people would be.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Like and then my dad was, like no More, friends
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: because now you can comprehend. It AND i was, like,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: What we've been Watching friends as a family forever and they're,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: like no. More. YEAH i also wasn't allowed to Watch
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: josie and The pussycats because my parents knew THAT i
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: would want to be a rock star AND i would
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: run away to do. It and THERE i. Got and
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: NOW i watch jose and The pussycats every time it's ON.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Tv i'm, like, Oh, josie here we. Are BUT i
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: got to Watch selena every time it was ON. TVs
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: and a woman is shot and killed In, selena but
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Not jose in The. Pussycats riddle me. That riddle me.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: That and so When i'm talking to parents of children
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: And i'm, like, wow good on you for like monitoring
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: what your kids are. Watching considering that now we live
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: in the Digital internet, AGE i was, like my parents
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: couldn't even monitor WHAT i was watching on the super.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: STATION i, mean it's it's nearly. Impossible it is. IMPOSSIBLE
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: i think we're all tasked with rolling this rock up the,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: hill you, Know, sissaphene and it rolls back down on.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: You because there's so many, channels there's so many, platforms
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: there's so many, devices there's so many. Ways BUT i
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: think to fool ourselves into the idea that it is
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: possible for one person or two, people or however many
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: parents or parental figures or in your household to take
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: control is a little, unrealistic even though you try your,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: best you do your. Best AND i think back to
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: my parents who let me leave the house stay over
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: In New York city at my friend's, house whose parents
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: may or may not have been, home and all the
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: things THAT i was up, to and the freedom and
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: independence and the mistakes THAT i got to make because
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: there was no way to track me or monitor, me
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: and they didn't know WHAT i was up. To AND
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: i THINK i learned a lot that. Way SO i don't,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: know it's a difficult process of letting. Go AND i
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: think a lot about your moment of, like what is
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: our moment of? Transformation right in this, conversation.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Your kid is, twelve, right that's what you. Said so
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: that's around the same age as my best friend's. Kids
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: she has, twins And i'm always telling, Her i'm, Like
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: i'm pretty sure by the time we were the kids
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: the twins', age we stopped talking to our. MOTHERS i
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: never talked to my mother past age of. Twelve she
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: never knew IF i was at, McDonald's At Pizza, HUT
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: i was everywhere and, nowhere all at the same, time
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: and you would just get in your friend's mom's car
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: and you'd be, like, yeah take me to the. Movie
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: who cares if my mom? Knows? Yeah and no one
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: was calling my mom because that required a. Lambline it's.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: WILD i THINK i thought that the digital age would
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: make kids more independent, somehow AND i very and you
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: can tell Me i'm wrong about, this Because i'm not
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: actually raising. KIDS i very much feel like it's the.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: OPPOSITE i think there's a lot of research that's showing
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: that kids are not having the same rights of passage
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: that we, did AND i think that will continue to.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Evolve a lot of, TIMES i think The internet will
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: educate you very, quickly like what if you've been allowed
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: to Watch josie The? Busycats like who would you be?
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: Now a pop? Star You're?
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Carpenter you what you'd Be Sabrina carpenter.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Doing The Eiffel tower in the middle.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: GRANTS i think you learn a lot a lot faster
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: in some senses on The, Internet but it does take
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: you away from some of that in person stuff and
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: some of that community and, danger and it slows certain things.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Down SO i think we're all learning the dangerous impacts
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: that The internet can. Have While i'm not taking away
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: from some of the ways it probably does foster independence
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: in terms, of, OH i have a really niche interest
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: THAT i didn't know, existed and then you dive really
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: deep in that community AND i don't, Know i'm having
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: a job right now THAT i didn't THINK i knew.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Existed WHEN i was growing, UP i was, like you
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: can have a job That's internet, like, Yeah SO i
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: think the kids are actually learning a lot about, That
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: like what if there's a lot of future beekeepers and they're,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: LIKE i never would have known this except That i'm
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: on TikTok on be talk or whatever it. Is AND
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: i don't. Know it's always it's a give and, take,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: right you, know you have this, technology you think it's
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: going to do one. Thing we can't predict. It It's Jurassic.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Park life finds.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: A way.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: It. Is it is stunting them in some. WAYS i
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: do think the research has shown some of.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: That, Yeah AND i, think, well and now with the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: robot apocalypse upon us because OF, AI i can't wait
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: for all of the children to be, like why are
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: we so? Irrelevant And i'm, like because of THE, ai
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: no one curved that so here we. ARE. I, yeah
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: there are so many times where a kid will just
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: know something THAT i would have had no. Idea i'd be,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: like what does your algorithm look? Like give me your
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: pok tell me. That AND i would love for every
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: child to aspire to be a bee. KEEPER i find
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: bees to be so, cool and it's BECAUSE i listened
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: to one podcast episode about bees and they're like social
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: structure and all of the things that have to happen
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: for honey to be. Made AND i was, like, guys
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: bees are. Fascinating uh, yeah, YEAH i was like, EVERYONE
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: i don't know if you know. This bees smarter than
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: all of. Us and we do need kids to care
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: about the. BEES i wish more people would care about
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: the bees and less about mowing their. LAWNS i need
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: kids to be on the front lines being, like we're
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: done mowing. Lawns it's bad for the. BEES i want.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Kids independently discovering some niche, interest AND i hope it's
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: as pleasant as. Bees i'm obviously projecting THAT i want
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: them all to be into, bees BUT i do think
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of information out there THAT i didn't
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: have access, to and it's kind of exciting in.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: That my niche interest BECAUSE i was unsupervised in front
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: of THE, tv Was Christian. Slater so imagine IF i
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: had had the. Internet BECAUSE i got to Watch Christian
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: slater's dark rom Com Untamed heart where He's have you
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: seen that? Movie? Yeah no one else has seen that,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: movie but we're the only. Two were the only. TWO
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: i begged my sister to watch it with. ME i
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: assumed that she was watching it with me because we
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: both Watched welcome to The, dollhouse another niche interest of. Mine,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: oh brit lit brittlet was also my niche. Interest LIKE
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: i Loved Angus thons in full frontal snogging AND i
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: would read any book that was about a teenager In.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: Britain that's a great.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: Interest.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah But Christian slater And Untamed. HEART i watched it
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: every time it was ON. TV i know the movie by.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Heart and WHEN i described the movie to, people people were,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: like what are you talking? About AND i was, like,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Well Christian slater had a bab Boom kane's heart AND
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: i don't know why you can't follow this. Plot he
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: dies at a hockey. GAME i don't know.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: What are want they saying?
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Here People Marissa tomay is probably actually my first, crush
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: AND i keep giving it To Christian. SLATER i love that,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: movie And Rosie perez is in. It More Rosie.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: PEREZ i think you need an episode On Untamed.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: Heart i'll do. It i'll do it in a. HEARTBEAT
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: i tried to get The bechdel cast to put me.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: ON i wrote them a very impassioned email about, LIKE
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: i don't know if you've Seen Untamed, hearts BUT i
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: feel like we'd have a lot to talk about spam.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: Movies did you see the? Drama DID i convince you
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: you did? It did see? It how did you feel after?
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: It? WELL i suspected THAT i would feel this, way
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: but it was hard for me to get past the subject.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: Matter the idea of a school shooting was too close to. Home, yeah,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: personally AND i think it impacted my enjoyment of the.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: Movie but DID i Think Robert pattinson And zindea had incredible?
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: CHEMISTRY i sure. Did DID i think a lot of
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: him brought something to that movie that was A Junu
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: siqua Absolutely and the guy who played a lot of
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: him's husband was in A netflix series THAT i absolutely.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: LOVED i think it was Like lodge sixty nine or.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: Something, yeah he's a good. One he's like a SECRET
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: i got more of him and. Everything when he pops,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: Up i'm always, LIKE i know you AND i know
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: that this will be. Great.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: YEAH i need to place him now BECAUSE i feel
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: bad THAT i potentially misremembered this series that was gripping to.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: ME i THINK i watched in The pandemic and that
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  Speaker 1: YESTERDAY i drove by the mall Where i'm pretty convinced
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  Speaker 1: i was, like there used to be tigers at The
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  Speaker 1: BUT i probably Met Tiger. Kane my mom denies. It she's,
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  Speaker 1: nephews and one of the THINGS i like to do
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  Speaker 1: is to trick myself into believing that scary things are,
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  Speaker 1: happening and THEN i think about them and THEN i,
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  Speaker 1: like that's so bold to not even give people the
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  Speaker 2: Nothing, yeah they did a really good. JOB i think
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  Speaker 2: of making it look like a twist WHEN i was
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  Speaker 2: it's a premise AND i was, like that's, true that's.
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  Speaker 2: how do you really know? Somebody what is unconditional? Love
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  Speaker 2: what are we willing to forgive and? Accept and are
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  Speaker 2: you ever really do you ever really know the? Person you're?
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  Speaker 2: Right you ever really know yourself because you're always.
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  Speaker 1: so many layers to that, Movie like every line puts
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  Speaker 1: in another like little like edge in your brain where you're, like,
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  Speaker 1: well NOW i don't know WHERE i side with, again
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  Speaker 1: because her dad just said that she liked to play
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  Speaker 1: pretend a lot and that's how she was. Coping so
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  Speaker 1: NOW i never actually know if she meant it or
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  Speaker 1: if she was just play. Acting, yeah but it does
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  Speaker 1: repluct the trust economy Because Robert pattinson was going through
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  Speaker 1: the trust economy during the, movie and it very. Much
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  Speaker 1: there's so much to that, movie BUT i won't make
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  Speaker 1: you discuss it because it bothered you and it should bother.
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  Speaker 2: YOU i can't help. It BUT i want to explore
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  Speaker 2: that in a separate time because we are running out of.
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  Speaker 2: Art we are running AND i want to make sure
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  Speaker 2: we get to all the, things, yes that we need
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  Speaker 1: i think we've talked about everything on my outline just,
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  Speaker 1: naturally which is how this show. GOES i write an,
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  Speaker 1: OUTLINE i ignore, it and THEN i, go thank, god
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  Speaker 1: we did. It what is a lesson that you think
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  Speaker 1: we can take away from this episode in our conversation
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  Speaker 1: or about being a woman who works in media or
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  Speaker 1: has to intake media that's meant for.
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  Speaker 2: Women, YEAH i think the lesson here would be media
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  Speaker 2: literacy and if you are going to trust, someone make
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  Speaker 2: sure that you really make an effort to understand their,
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  Speaker 2: platform their, motivation what media they've been, taken and what
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  Speaker 2: narrative they're trying to. Push AND i think some media
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  Speaker 2: can be. Amazing i've learned so. Much i've learned from
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  Speaker 2: PEOPLE i didn't even know. ABOUT i FIND i go
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  Speaker 2: down rabbit. Holes but the key thing is not just
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  Speaker 2: to go forward without double checking or fact. Checking so you,
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  Speaker 2: know everybody should really invest in media. Literacy, no maybe
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  Speaker 2: we should teach a.
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  Speaker 1: Course, OH i like, it. Pattentent what is a manifestation
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  Speaker 1: that you would like to offer up into our general?
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  Speaker 2: COLLECTIVE i would like to manifest more opportunity for. EVERYONE
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  Speaker 2: i think we're all. Worried at LEAST i can speak for.
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  Speaker 2: MYSELF i think the specter of WHAT ai is going
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  Speaker 2: future looks like with the environment feels very do. Me
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  Speaker 2: SO i want to manifest creating hope in that, space
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  Speaker 2: and hope to me looks like. Opportunity and what can
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  Speaker 1: shitty email for me WHEN i was perfectly capable of
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  Speaker 1: writing a shitty. Email that's what always gives. Me i'm,
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  Speaker 1: like y'all are USING ai to write shitty Emails when
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  Speaker 1: Own you can do this on your. Own, Kat you're
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  Speaker 1: going to have to come back because we wit right
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  Speaker 1: Say but why don't you let the listeners, know thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much for, coming let them know where they
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  Speaker 1: can continue to see, you interact with, you and keep
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  Speaker 1: up with.
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  Speaker 2: You that's, amazing and thank you so much for having.
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  Speaker 2: Me it's been such an enjoyable. Conversation the time flew,
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  Speaker 1: And all of those links will be in the show
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