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82. Dorothy Beal, 44-Time Marathoner & Creator @MilePosts · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: Hey, Hurdler's Emily a body here with another episode of Hurdle,
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  Speaker 1: CEOs and athletes about how they've gotten through tough times
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  Speaker 1: hurdles of sorts by leaning into wellness. Episode eighty two
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  Speaker 1: coming at You Today with a runner and forty four
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  Speaker 1: time marathon her Dorothy Beal. Some of you might know
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  Speaker 1: her better, and she jokes about this today in the
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  Speaker 1: episode as her Instagram name, which is mile Posts. I
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  Speaker 1: was so happy to connect with Dorothy while she was
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  Speaker 1: in town to run the New York City Marathon last weekend,
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  Speaker 1: and she crushed it per usual, a sub four hour
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  Speaker 1: performance just one week after slaying the Marine Core Marathon.
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  Speaker 1: No code necessary. All right, let's talk about Dorothy. Dorothy
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  Speaker 1: is a powerhouse. There's just no better way to say it.
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  Speaker 1: This woman, like I said, forty four time marathoner. In
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  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen alone, she conquered six and in today's episode,
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  Speaker 1: she recalls a time where she wasn't actually that much
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  Speaker 1: of a runner at all after going through some tough
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  Speaker 1: times in college. It's something that her and I definitely
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  Speaker 1: bond over. In today's episode to reflex on a moment
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  Speaker 1: where she stepped on a scale and was just so
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  Speaker 1: beside herself as to how she got there. After graduating,
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  Speaker 1: she comes back to Virginia where she moves back in
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  Speaker 1: with her mom, and her mom suggests to her that
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  Speaker 1: maybe she trained for a marathon, and well, the rest
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  Speaker 1: is history. In today's episode, we talk about everything from
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  Speaker 1: what her favorite races have been to date to how
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  Speaker 1: she gets out there when she just doesn't have the
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  Speaker 1: motivation to run. She gets super honest about a dark
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  Speaker 1: time she had just a few years ago and how
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  Speaker 1: her dear friends and a few helpful followers helped her
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  Speaker 1: get through it. We also chat about her best running tips,
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  Speaker 1: including fueling strategy and how she makes sure to take
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  Speaker 1: her gatoryd and Durrance choose without fail within the first
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  Speaker 1: thirty minutes of a race every single time. I have
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  Speaker 1: no doubt you guys are gonna love this episode as
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  Speaker 1: always at Hurdle Podcast at Emily a Body. If you
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  Speaker 1: have a Hurdle moment of your own, share or just
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  Speaker 1: want to say hi, you know how to reach me.
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  Speaker 2: It's Emily at Hurdle dot us.
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  Speaker 1: And also just a quick moment of so much gratitude
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  Speaker 1: and appreciation for you guys. That always blows my mind
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  Speaker 1: when I post some travel plans on my Instagram story
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  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, there are like fifteen
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  Speaker 1: to twenty people that want to get together, lace up
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  Speaker 1: and logso miles. I am so grateful for this community,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm also just so blown away by the fact
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  Speaker 1: that you want to hang out with me, and that
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  Speaker 1: I can pop up in random cities like Denver and
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden and it's like I've got a
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  Speaker 1: built in group of people that just want to hang
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  Speaker 1: out and you know, enjoy each other's time. And I
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  Speaker 1: hope that in my little corner of the Internet. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you're learning a little something here and there with that,
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  Speaker 1: Let's get to hurdling.
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  Speaker 2: Today. I'm sitting down with Dorothy Beale.
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  Speaker 1: She is, as of tomorrow, a forty four time marathon her.
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  Speaker 1: How does it make you feel when I say that
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  Speaker 1: out loud?
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  Speaker 2: It makes me smile, but it also kind of freaks
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  Speaker 2: me out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me happy even doing them for a
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  Speaker 1: long time now, a long time.
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  Speaker 3: I ran my first marathon in two thousand and three,
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  Speaker 3: so yeah, it sounds like a lot, and it is
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  Speaker 3: a lot. But it's also spread out over sixteen years.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys might know Dorothy behind her wildly popular
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  Speaker 1: insane Instagram platform as well called Mileposts. When did you
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  Speaker 1: start doing that? Ten years ago?
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  Speaker 3: I had worked in the running industry prior to that,
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  Speaker 3: and I had.
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  Speaker 2: Decided that I wanted to stay home.
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  Speaker 3: I had just found out that I was pregnant with
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  Speaker 3: my second child and decided that I wanted to be
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  Speaker 3: a stay at home mom.
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  Speaker 2: But I also still had career goals.
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  Speaker 3: And like didn't want to give up on my own dreams.
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  Speaker 3: So I was like, I'm just going to start a
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  Speaker 3: blog about running. All my friends had blogs where they
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  Speaker 3: talked about their kids, and I was like, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: a mommy blogger. But at the time, I didn't realize
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  Speaker 3: that people blogged about running. Like I literally was like,
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  Speaker 3: I have this new idea, I'm going to blog about running,
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  Speaker 3: and then it just kind of took off, and I
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  Speaker 3: didn't realize that there was like tons of other people.
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  Speaker 2: Out there blogging or out running.
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  Speaker 3: So when I started it, it wasn't with the intention
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  Speaker 3: of it kind of like becoming a career.
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  Speaker 2: It was just like, I'm going to keep up with
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  Speaker 2: my contacts.
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  Speaker 3: Like it'll be a place where people, if they're interested,
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  Speaker 3: can easily be like, oh, what's Dorothy up to?
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  Speaker 2: And then it just kind of morphed into what it
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  Speaker 2: has become.
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  Speaker 1: So were you a really active kid? No, where did
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  Speaker 1: you grow up?
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  Speaker 3: So I grew up in Northern Virginia and my family
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  Speaker 3: was deeply religious, and women didn't do anything other than
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  Speaker 3: have kids and take care of them, and it was like,
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  Speaker 3: be fruitful and multiply was like your only goal in.
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  Speaker 2: Life as a woman.
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  Speaker 3: And so you know, my parents just they they didn't
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  Speaker 3: do sports, so they didn't even know to like put
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  Speaker 3: me in sports or to encourage me to be active.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I really did a whole lot of nothing
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  Speaker 3: in regards to being active. And then my freshman year
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  Speaker 3: of high school, I went to a school that required
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  Speaker 3: six seasons of sports in order to graduate, and so
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  Speaker 3: because of that, everybody made a team. Like you didn't
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  Speaker 3: get cut. It was just like you picked whatever sport
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  Speaker 3: you wanted to play, and then you were on the team.
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  Speaker 3: So someone from the soccer team called me and said, hey,
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  Speaker 3: do you want to try out for the soccer team?
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, well, do people get cut? And
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  Speaker 3: they're like nope, And I was like, yep, I'll try out.
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  Speaker 3: So I did soccer. And my friends still laugh about this,
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  Speaker 3: but I would fake hyperventilating in order to get out
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  Speaker 3: of running laps around the soccer field because I hated
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  Speaker 3: running that much. Hated running that much, hated running.
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  Speaker 1: We have that in common. When I was in high school.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't stand it, and I actually ended up as
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  Speaker 1: opposed to what your situation was, that no one got cut.
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  Speaker 1: People did get cut where I went to high school.
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  Speaker 1: So I didn't make the JV volleyball team because I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't run a mile in under ten minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so crazy. So intense. It's just high school sports,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it is crazy how you can go from
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  Speaker 3: hating something to then loving it so passionately, so passionately
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  Speaker 3: it makes It's like if you, if you really sit
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  Speaker 3: down and think about it, I love. What are other
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  Speaker 3: things in my life that I dislike right now that
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  Speaker 3: maybe five years from now I might come to appreciate
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  Speaker 3: and love?
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  Speaker 2: What call them? The list?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm like, ooh, what don't I like?
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  Speaker 3: I have to like really sit down and think about it.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have to marinate on that and maybe circle back.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So you would fake the hyperventilating yeah, get out
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  Speaker 1: of the running yep. So when did that kind of
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  Speaker 1: shift for you or did it shift for you at
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  Speaker 1: least in high school or was it later on?
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  Speaker 3: So I would, you know, every once in a while
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  Speaker 3: go run around my neighborhood as just like I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to try to and shape and it was probably like
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  Speaker 3: a fifteen minute run, but that, you know, felt like monumental.
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  Speaker 3: And then I went to college and like many college students,
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  Speaker 3: just partied way too hard and ate a lot of
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  Speaker 3: terrible food and didn't sleep, and I started smoking, and
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  Speaker 3: I gained a lot of weight, and then I gained
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  Speaker 3: even more weight, and I was always somebody who had
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  Speaker 3: struggled with social anxiety, and so it was just kind
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  Speaker 3: of like this perfect storm of I would drink and
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  Speaker 3: not feel those feelings and be more outgoing and have
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  Speaker 3: a bit too much fun, and then wake up in
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  Speaker 3: the morning regret everything I had done, feel so embarrassed,
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  Speaker 3: eat horrible foods to kind of like make myself feel better,
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  Speaker 3: and then do it all over again the next night.
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  Speaker 2: And I just got to this point where I.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't even really know who I was anymore, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like if you had asked me, like what do you
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  Speaker 3: like or what do you want to be, You're.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I just didn't know who I was, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So I came home on one break and the only
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  Speaker 3: pair of pants that I could fit into were a
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  Speaker 3: pair of sweatpants, and I climbed on the scale in
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  Speaker 3: my mom's bathroom and I saw a number that, like
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  Speaker 3: I would have never imagined in my wildest.
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  Speaker 2: Dreams was what I weighed.
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  Speaker 3: And it just was kind of like that moment of
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  Speaker 3: being like, how did like how did I let myself
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  Speaker 3: get to this point?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 3: And I think I just my whole future I saw
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  Speaker 3: like flash in front of my eyes, Whereas like you
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  Speaker 3: have a choice, like you can either go left or
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  Speaker 3: you can go right, and if you go right, like
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  Speaker 3: there's no there could be no coming back from it,
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  Speaker 3: you know, so you have to make a good choice.
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  Speaker 3: So my parents said that they would help me with
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  Speaker 3: anything to do with running. They bought me running shoes.
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  Speaker 3: They were like, if you want to do a race,
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  Speaker 3: we'll sign you up for a race. And like, I
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  Speaker 3: didn't want to be running, but I believed that it
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  Speaker 3: was the quickest way to lose weight. And I really,
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  Speaker 3: at that moment in time, thought that it was just
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  Speaker 3: the physical weight and if I lost the physical weight,
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  Speaker 3: then everything in my life would be fixed. And I
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  Speaker 3: didn't realize that it was really the emotional weight, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like the number on the scale changing wasn't going to
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  Speaker 3: do anything to make me happier. I had to like
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  Speaker 3: fix everything else that was going on on the inside.
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  Speaker 3: So so yeah, I started running. Hated it, but stuck
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  Speaker 3: with it, and then things I started to improve and
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  Speaker 3: started to gain some confidence, and it was just like
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  Speaker 3: a cycle, you know what I mean. So every run
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  Speaker 3: that I came home feeling accomplished made me then want
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  Speaker 3: to go on another run, So I guess this maybe
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  Speaker 3: summer before my senior year of college, I trained for
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  Speaker 3: my first half marathon and my mom was like, you're
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  Speaker 3: never going to break two hours, Like people don't break
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  Speaker 3: two hours in their first half marathon, and it totally
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  Speaker 3: just gave me like this, I'm going to prove her
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  Speaker 3: wrong and I'm going to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And I think my time was one fifty eight.
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  Speaker 3: And I like, I still can I can feel that
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  Speaker 3: feeling inside that I felt at the finish line.
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  Speaker 2: It was just like I did something that was impossible.
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  Speaker 3: So then when I graduated from college, I was kind
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  Speaker 3: of in that like I don't know what I want
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  Speaker 3: to do with my life.
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  Speaker 2: My parents had recently split up.
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  Speaker 3: It was kind of just like a a period of
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  Speaker 3: time filled with turmoil, and my mom was like, you
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  Speaker 3: should train for a marathon.
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  Speaker 2: It'll change your life.
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  Speaker 3: And I was kind of like, I don't know how,
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  Speaker 3: like a marathon is going to change my life, but
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  Speaker 3: I didn't really have anything to lose, so I was like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, sure, I'll do it. And it was helpful
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  Speaker 3: that I was living with her at the time, because
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  Speaker 3: she wake me up in the morning and she'd be like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, let's go for a run.
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  Speaker 1: That's really special that you two got to share that
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  Speaker 1: together though it is so special.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean it's crazy because I don't think
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  Speaker 3: at the time she realized like how much she was
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  Speaker 3: helping to change my life. So yeah, but so it
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  Speaker 3: trained for a marathon, and even if I had never
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  Speaker 3: finished the marathon, it still would have changed my life.
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  Speaker 3: Like I remember the first time I ran sixteen miles
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  Speaker 3: and just walking around like inside knowing like I ran
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  Speaker 3: sixteen miles this morning. It's like I wanted it to
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  Speaker 3: be like on my shirt, like I ran sixteen miles,
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  Speaker 3: you know. But yeah, So I ran the marathon, and
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  Speaker 3: just the second I crossed that finish line, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, I just did another impossible thing, Like what
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  Speaker 3: else in my life do I think it's impossible that
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  Speaker 3: I can now just make possible.
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  Speaker 2: And I think about it.
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  Speaker 3: All the time because it's still scared to me, Like
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  Speaker 3: tomorrow is marathon forty four, and I'm scared because twenty
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  Speaker 3: six to twenty miles is like a long way to go.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm like, Okay, You've done something impossible. Forty three
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  Speaker 3: times before, so you can do it again tomorrow. And
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  Speaker 3: then I just apply it to everything in life, whether
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  Speaker 3: it's you know, going after a new project or just
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  Speaker 3: any sort of goal that I have, and like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: it might feel impossible, but you've already done impossible.
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  Speaker 2: Right, just do it again, right.
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  Speaker 1: So talk to me a little bit about what kept
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  Speaker 1: you running from the get go back in college, because
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  Speaker 1: I have a similar story and that I got on
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  Speaker 1: a scale I didn't like that I was seeing. Actually, also,
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  Speaker 1: my parents split up right before I went to college
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  Speaker 1: and then got divorced while I was in college, so
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  Speaker 1: very similar pathways here. And for me, what kept me
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  Speaker 1: running when I got on the scale and saw a
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  Speaker 1: number that I didn't want to see was just this
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  Speaker 1: idea that again, it made me feel like I was
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  Speaker 1: capable and it was something that I could do on
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  Speaker 1: my own and I didn't need anyone's help. Like I
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  Speaker 1: could go out there and it might not be the
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  Speaker 1: best run, it could be an awful run, but I
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  Speaker 1: could still have the power to choose to run, and
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  Speaker 1: that for me felt really invigorating.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that one of You know, people talk
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  Speaker 3: a lot about team sports, and team sports are great,
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  Speaker 3: but One of the things that I love so much
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  Speaker 3: about running is that it's just you and you can
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  Speaker 3: go out and run and no one has to know
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  Speaker 3: if you don't want them to.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's almost.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's like this little secret thing that you're doing
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  Speaker 3: for yourself that's your own, and it's just a moment
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  Speaker 3: in time where even if it's a terrible run, like,
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  Speaker 3: it's still better than not going. I think what really helped.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously the way that I felt kept me going,
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  Speaker 3: But I think that I'm somebody who has somewhat of
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  Speaker 3: like an addictive personality and can easily fall into bad habits,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that running was something that kind of
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  Speaker 3: like helped keep me on a straight path because I
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  Speaker 3: had to wake up the next day and go for
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  Speaker 3: a long run, or you know, I needed to be
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  Speaker 3: paying attention to what I was eating, not for esthetics,
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  Speaker 3: but because I wanted to feel good on that run.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think it continues to do that for me.
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  Speaker 3: That kind of it just it centers my life.
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  Speaker 1: Can I ask you how much weight you lost after
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  Speaker 1: you like fell into the running groove?
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  Speaker 3: So gosh, I took it to the extreme, and so
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  Speaker 3: at my lowest I was probably forty pounds less than
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  Speaker 3: what I was at my highest, which also was a
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  Speaker 3: very interesting learning like learning point or you know, I thought, oh,
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  Speaker 3: if I hit this number that I had dreamed in
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  Speaker 3: my head, if I get to that point, I'll be happy.
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  Speaker 3: And I got to that point and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just as unhappy as I was when I was
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  Speaker 3: much larger, And so I had to bounce back out
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  Speaker 3: of that to be like, Okay, it's good to be
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  Speaker 3: healthy and take care of yourself, but you can't get
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  Speaker 3: obsessed with a number.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So talk to me a little bit about what
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  Speaker 1: other work you were doing internally to kind of combat
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  Speaker 1: this feeling of questioning your self worth even when the
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  Speaker 1: numbers on the scale were going down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 3: About it a lot, like how did I get to
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  Speaker 3: this point where I for so many years of my
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  Speaker 3: life like deeply hated myself And now I know if
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: I saw a picture of myself what I look like
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: right now, back when I hated myself, I'd probably rip
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: myself apart right now. And how did I get to
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: this point where like I'm just happy with who I am,
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: like flaws and all, Like I think it's just real part,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: and maybe it's part of getting older, but I think
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: that there's there's a point in time that comes when
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: it's like we get one life, and I've already wasted
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: so much of mine hating myself, Like what is the
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: point in that? And I also just deeply got sick
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: of and still get sick of, because the voice never
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: really truly goes away. I get sick of living with
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: somebody in my head. That's mean, you know, like I
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: don't like hearing mean things. I don't like looking in
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: the mirror and thinking, you know, oh I can't wear this,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: or you need to change this, or you know, I
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: just life is too short. I know it's like so cliche,
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: but when you really sit down and think about it,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: you know, one of the many things that I continue
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: to do is that I don't I think especially women
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: were kind of like raised to we say, be confident.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: But if somebody is like if a woman is like,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: well I'm good at that, people are.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, oh, she's.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: So into herself. You know, like it's like we tear
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: ourself down, like oh you look beautiful. Oh things like
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: this dress is so old, And you know, I've gained
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: a couple of pounds and like, so I don't do
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: that anymore. Like if someone gives me a compliment, I
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: try to take the compliment and I don't shove myself down.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Or if somebody said, as you know.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Oh you're good at this, I say thank you, like
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: I feel like that's a strong point of mine as.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Well, you know.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's kind of just like flipping the dialogue.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: And I mean, I think it's a lifelong process. I
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: think for for anybody who has struggled. You don't just
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: like magically wake up one day and love yourself. It's
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: like every day, I'm going to wake up and I'm
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: going to choose to love myself, you know. And I
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: thought I was thinking about this the other day, Like,
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: you know, you would never talk to a friend the
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: way that you talk to yourself, But your longest relationship
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: in life is with yourself, So why would you be
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: mean to the one person that's always with you?
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: So it's easier for me, like when I start falling
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: down a hole of like negative thoughts, to be like, no,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: if this was a friend, you would cheerlead her.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: So let's cheerlead her.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So talk to me then about the feelings that
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: you had finishing your first marathon.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, it was like the hardest thing ever,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: you know, like you're just like, wait, how did I
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: do that? And you're like cursing yourself doing it, like
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: why did I think there was a good idea? But
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: I finished and I just felt like like the coolest
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: person in the world. Like I was like, I'm a marathoner,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: and even if I never ran another marathon, I was
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: a marathoner and it was something that no one could
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: take away from me, and it wasn't It's something that
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: I had to do on my own. Like you can
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: fake it in shorter distances, you know, but like you
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: can't fake a marathon, like you have to train for
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: it and you show up on that day and it's
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: your legs getting you across, it's not somebody else doing
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: it for you. So I think it just gave me
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: an immense sense of just self confidence, you know, And
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: I think that's part of why I keep doing them,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: because I am somebody who gets down on myself, and
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: so I get.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: A bump from Hey, you just did a marathon, Like
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: you did this really hard thing, and isn't that amazing. Okay, right, Dorothy,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: You're strong. You can do this.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: And like this week I've been a little bit freaked
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: out because this is gonna be my sixth marathon of
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: the year. That is the most I've ever run in
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: a year. I ran a marathon a week ago and
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: all these people are like, you are so strong, you
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: can do this, and I'm like, guys, I don't think
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I can do this, like I don't have this, and
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: everyone's like no, like if anyone can do this, you can.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: And that feels so good inside that, like other people
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: can see strength that maybe I can't see today.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Talk to me about why six this year.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: It just kind of shook out that way, like I
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: am finishing, I'm going after the Abbic World Marathon made
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: six star medal, and so I ran Tokyo in the
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: springtime and that was my first international race of the
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: six stars, and then there was just a local race
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: that I was like, oh, I want to do that too,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: and then I was running Boston, and then I did Berlin,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: which was my fifth star, and then I did Marine
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Corps because I love Marine Corps, and then New York
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: and yeah, I just let you know, it just shakes out.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I don't think that I'll do six again in a year.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Ever, do you feel like I mean, obviously you said
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: that you get this like feeling of invigoration and just
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: like that you can do anything. But when you do
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: so many marathons in a year, does it start to
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: make you feel beat down? Because I'm sure a lot
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: of people that are listening, Oh, I have a lot
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: of huge audience of beginners as well, So let's just
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: caveat that, like this is not yeah, your norm no,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: but like you get like a weird like it must
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: be like an interesting dichotomy for you just to be like,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I feel so great after I'm done, but also I'm
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: like very cognizant that I'm doing a lot.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So after Marine Corps, well, it poured rain.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: It was a terrible weather day, and I was jumping
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: a lot of rain puddles, and so I woke up
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: very sore the next day. And I typically don't wake
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: up sore the next day after a marathon, and so
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: it kind of freaked me out a little bit where
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I was like okay, and actually on Tuesday, I like
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: panic looked up, like how do you defer your race entry?
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Like can I defer my race entry because I'm not somebody.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't ever want I think when you
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: have a large social media following, it can be easy
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: to fall into feeling some sort of pressure, like you
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: have to do something because you said you were going
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: to do it, or that you're doing it because you
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: know it's content. And I don't ever want to be
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: like that. And so I was like, if my body
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: doesn't feel good by Thursday, like I'm not doing it
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: and that will suck, and you know, maybe some people
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: will judge me for it, but like, I want to
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: be running for the rest of my life, and so
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: I'm never going to do something that puts myself in
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: a situation where I jeopardize that. So yeah, so it
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: is a lot, and I am actually very tired. So
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: I am looking forward to taking a rest on Monday
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: and not running another marathon for a little bit, for
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: a little while, for a little while.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: So after you crossed the finish line of your first marathon,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: did you instantly know that you were going to do
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: it again?
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: So, actually, after I did Marine Corps, I came up
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: here and spectated New York City Marathon, and I mean,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I love running marathons. I think spectating a marathon rivals
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: running a marathon, like it is just so exciting to
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: see all these people realizing their dreams and you're screaming
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: and you lose your voice and like it's just so exciting.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: And so I immediately was like, I have to do
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: another one, and so I signed up for Philly and
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: did so. I guess it was like a month and
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: a half after my first one. I did my second one,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: and I went a little bit faster than my first one.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: So then that also became a little bit of like, oh,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: this is so fun. Now I know I can do
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: something impossible, but let's see how much better I can
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: do it?
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I knew pretty immediately. I knew. I
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: knew pretty quickly. And then I mean, you did the
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: second one.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like, when does the ball get rolling so
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: much that you're like, I'm just really good at this.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. See, I guess if I've done this many, I
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: am good at it.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know, like I don't know. It just it
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: just happened, do you know what I mean? Like I
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: didn't set out to ever be this person. Like I
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: would see people that were walking around with like their
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: race jackets from races twenty years ago, and I would
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: look at that and I'd be like, that's so cool,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Like I want to be that person someday. But I
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: don't know that I ever actually really thought I could.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Be who I am right now? How would you describe
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: who you are right now?
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: I am somebody who has taken the pain in my
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: life and who continues to take whatever pain or turmoil
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: both from circumstances that happen and also just inside of me,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: and uses that to help other people realize that they're
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: not alone and to help kind of like encourage people,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: because you know, a lot of people say this and
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: it's so true, like if I can run a marathon,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: anyone can. If I can change my life, anyone can.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: But when you're in that point where you don't think
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: you can change your life, you're like nope, Like maybe
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: that girl can do it, but I can't. Everyone can
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: do it, Like it's within you to be able to change.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: You just have to keep, you know, chipping away at it.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I guess that was my roundabout answer. Yeah,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just like I have three wonderful children,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Like I have a life that is not without strife,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: but I love it, and I you know, I've When
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: I was younger, I wanted to be an athlete, like
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: I just I wasn't good at anything. So it was
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: like I'd see girls wearing like T shirts that were
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: like from a soccer tournament, and like I wanted to
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: be that person, And like I am that person. Now
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I am an athlete. Like when someone asked me what
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I do, I'm really proud to say I'm a runner.
• 27:58
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  Speaker 1: code necessary. Let's get back to it. So talk to
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  Speaker 1: me a little bit then about so you're living in
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Virginia at the time of your marathon with your mom,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and then kind of what happens from there for you.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I kept turning marathons. I realized that I
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: loved the running industry, so not just running the marathons,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: but like I loved the business aspect of it, the
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: marketing aspect of it. I loved peril, I loved shoes,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: and so I after college worked for Brooks, the running
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: shoe company. I was a field marketing rep. And then
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: after that I worked for this company called Moving Comfort
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: that was the first women's specific apparel company.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: And I worked with.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: The two women that founded it, and they were so
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: cool and so inspiring, and I wouldn't be who I
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: am without having worked with them. So I worked in
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: sales first, and then I became the product line manager
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: of Run Fitness. So I kind of had like a
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: bunch of different roles that now looking back, all kind
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: of like gave me the tools to turn like my
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: blog and social media and all that into a business.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: And I mean it's a career now, you know, Like
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: I make way more than I ever made.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Working in an office.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: I had my first kid in two thousand and six,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: so three years after my first marathon, which at the
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: time I thought I was so old. And now I
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: look back and I'm like, you're twenty four, Like you
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: were such a baby and you had a baby.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: But so yeah.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: So I had my daughter Ky in two thousand and six,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: and then in two thousand and eight and my son
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Miles was born, and then in twenty ten, my son
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Colton was born.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: That sounds very planned out. None of them were planning.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: And so talk to me about naming your kid Miles. Oh,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I love his name so much. It makes me so happy.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: So my husband and I met at the gym. I
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: was running on the treadmill.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: And I don't know about you, but like when I
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: am at the gym, I am at the gym to
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: work out, like I am not there for somebody to
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: talk to me.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to meet guys.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: And so he came up to me on the treadmill
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: and I was just like, who is this guy? Like,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: I am running, I am busy, And he asked me
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: some questions and said he wanted to train for a race,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: and so I was like okay, and so I gave
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: him some websites that he should check out.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: And then next time, I wonder what the originalist was.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: I know, I was like trying to think back, I'm like,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: what were those ones that I did? So he actually
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: went and checked him out and then came over next
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: time I was on the treadmill, and I was like, yeah,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: I went to those those race websites and like I
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: think I'm going to pick this race and have you
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: run it and what do you think about it? And
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: so then I was like, this guy isn't hitting on me.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Maybe he really does want to know about running. And
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: I just happened to always be on the treadmill. So
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: I was like, all right, all right, I'll give him
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: a chance. But anyways, that's how we met. And my
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: husband proposed to me on the steps of the Lincoln
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Memorial and so Miles's name is Miles Lincoln, named after
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: how we met and where he proposed, And Miles also
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: happens to be the name of the Marine Corps Marathon mascot,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: So it's like it's just a special, special name, but
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent it has to do with running, Like
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: I can't I'm that person that named their kid Miles.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: When you look at the forty four marathons that you
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: have completed, do you have any particular marathon or memory
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: that stands out as a time where you really weren't
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: sure if you were going to be able to finish.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Actually in Berlin this year, I didn't. I was like,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna run walk it, like I had missed
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: a little chunk of training I did. This year has
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: been a tough year. My grandfather passed away. I just
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: have had a lot of things that it was like
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: life is just piling on, and so I was like, Okay,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go to Berlin anyways, and if I
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: just have to like walk it, I'll walk it. And
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: I ended up having like a really great day and
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: finished and was so on top of the world because
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: I really had doubts that I would be able to
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: finish it, you know. But I think in most of
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: the marathons, there's a point that comes where I'm like,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: you know, like when you hit sixteen miles, You're like.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Wow, I've run sixteen miles. I've gone really far, and
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: then you're like I have ten more to go, Like
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: this is so far. How am I going to do this?
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I am already tired, And so I think, now when
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: that moment happens, I just remind myself that it's like
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: a wave and like you're going to feel high and
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: then you're going to feel low and it's going to
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: go back up again. So I don't kind of let
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: that I don't get as freaked out about not being
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: able to finish it. But also I just respect the
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: marathon distance and so if I had to walk the
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: rest of the way into a marathon, like I'm going
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: to walk the rest of the way into a marathon
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: and finish it, you know, like sort of ending up
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: in like a med ten or something. Yeah, of course,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: like I'm going to finish it.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: So yeah, And obviously, I mean the wave example is
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: a really good piece of advice to marathoners. But when
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: you reflect on some of the other things that you
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: have done, the other lessons that you have learned along
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the way. What would you say is another really great
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: tidbit or two of advice that you would offer to
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: someone who's running a marathon, whether they're a beginner or
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: have they've done it a few times before.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: I think that the most important thing to bring with
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: you to a marathon is an unwavering belief in yourself.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: And so you know, like today I'm a little nervous,
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: but tomorrow morning when I get on the ferry, it's
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to be like I don't know if
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: I can do this. It's I am doing this. I
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: really truly believe. And like the mind body connection. And
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: I think when you talk yourself down or don't have
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: like full belief in yourself, like your body knows and
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: so you know, come miles sixteen, if you don't have
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: a full belief in yourself and your body gets tired,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: you can mentally give up. But if you're strong mentally,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: then it's like, Okay, well this hurts and I'm tired,
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: but I'm going to keep going. So I think that
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: you know, that's the most important part is just to
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: truly believe in yourself. You know, there's the regular stuff
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: of like start out slower.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Than you think.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: But another tip that I have for new marathoners or
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: even betteran marathoners, because it took me a long time
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: to figure this out, is that like hydration and fueling
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: is so important, not just from the aspect of like
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: getting you through, but like, do you want to feel
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: good at the end of a marathon, Because if you
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: get your fueling and your hydration on, you will feel
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: good at the end. Sure, you're going to feel tired,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: but like you're not going to feel like, you know,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: you hit that wall. So I realize for myself, I
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: am a super heavy sweater, which is so gross, but
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: it's just like the way I am, that I needed
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: to start hydrating right away, and that I needed to
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: start fueling sooner. And so in some of my early marathons,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: like I wouldn't start taking a gel or a chew
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: until I actually felt hungry, which is so weird. So
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: now I start, and it's going to sound early, but
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: I take a Gatorade Endurance gell at mile four and
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: I often hold my gels or my choes in my
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: hands because it's annoying. And then it makes me take them,
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: and so I take them roughly every four miles, mixing
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: in occasionally. You know, I alternate at water stops between
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: water and GATORAD and Durance formula.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: That's actually really smart, the idea of holding at least
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: the first one in your hands so you don't forget
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: about it. I also fuel at least every four miles,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: but definitely every like thirty minutes, so that's kind of
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: like my benchmark. I feel like the entire time I
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: was in Chicago, I was literally just like eating the
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: entire marathon.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Which and okay, and you had like the race of
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: your life. Yeah, it's so.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: I had a friend who ran Berlin, who also had
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: the race of her life, and she ate more than
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: she's ever eaten bored before. She was like, I couldn't
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: believe it. I felt like I was eating every two seconds,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: but she.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Flew every time that I couldn't remember when the last
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: time I ate was.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I was like, eat something, now, let's just do it.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Let's just do it. It really helps you. It's such
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: a game changer.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: And I'm like you, I'm a super salty sweater, so
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I need like the GATORAD and Durance chew and I
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: use the gummies like this is the first year I
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: did the choose usually a jealous person, but this is
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the first year I switched because I just felt like
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I was like adult trick or treating.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: For ye.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's like eating gummy bears, just like chewy or
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: gummy bears. And I see so many people that tie
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: the joy that they feel in a race to a
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: time on the clock.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: And times are so cool, you know, like it is
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: so fun if you earn.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Your first sub four or BQ. They are so fun.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: But I think that in order to fully enjoy every marathon,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: you should have something about it that's making you happy
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: that has nothing to do with the time on the clock.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: That whether that's high fiving little kids or choosing you know,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: for me, I actively choose to be happy no matter
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: what my finished time is. I mean, of course I
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: love a faster finished time, but like I truly am
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: happy with whatever time I have because the marathon is
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: a gift, like it is. It's so special to be
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: able to complete, to physically be able to complete a marathon.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: So it breaks my heart when I see people that
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: just finished a marathon and they're so down on themselves
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: because of literally some numbers on a clock, Like that's
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: such a silly thing if you really think about.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: It, and it's just it's upsetting because that's them not
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: taking any consideration for the fourteen, sixteen, eighteen week journey
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: that they've been on to get there.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Well, And the thing is is it's just one day,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: and the marathon doesn't owe you anything. So you can
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: train your butt off and you show up on that
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: day and you might deserve a really great time, but
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: like that's not how it works. Like you just get
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: that day. So whenever anyone's like, what's your goal of
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: the race, I say, to run the day and I
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: don't know what my body will give me that day.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: And I you know, there have been a few magical
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: times where what I wanted in my head is what
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: my body gave me, and that was magic, But there's
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: been a lot of days where it didn't, and I'm
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: actively able to still be just as happy.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Have you ever been completely down and out after a marathon?
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, so many, so my first, so many
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: of my first ones. I mean when I look at it,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: look back at it now. This is the positive but
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: also the negative of like blogging and social media and
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: all that stuff.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Like I ran a BQ in.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Like almost every marathon that I ran, like it was
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: just like no big deal, Like I run a marathon,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: got to be c and I was so Like I
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: remember I ran a three thirty five and I cried,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: cried because that was like the worst time.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, now, I like, I love the three
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: thirty five, you know what I mean. And I just
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: would beat myself up so much.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: And so I think that is also why I'm able
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: to actively be happy, because that sucks and it's so stupid.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: And you know, I'm no people listening to this, they
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: don't know what my fastest marathon is. Am I any
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: different because I was able to run a three eleven
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: at one point? Like, does that make me more of
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: a runner than somebody who's only just breaking four hours
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: right now? No? Absolutely not, And so like I'm not
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: going to put that on myself, you know what about physically? Yeah,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's just how I am or
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: who I am, but like I usually feel pretty good
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: after a marathon.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I love it. I know that sounds terrible to be like,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: well I feel great.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Actually, Marine Corps that I just did is the most
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: beat up I've been from a marathon in a long time. Yeah,
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: and I'm sure some of that has to do with
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: it being the fifth marathon this year, but also just.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: The weather conditions.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: So yeah, So what other goals right now are on
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: your radar, whether it's running related or not running related.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm running London in April, so that will finish
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: up World Marathon Majors six Star medals.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: That's exciting for me because.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: I dreamed of doing the Majors but thought it was
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: something that like I wouldn't get to do until I
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: was like fifty or sixty, you know. Other than that, Like,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: I don't really, I don't know. It sounds silly, but
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: I don't like set goals in the sense that, like
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: I don't have a concrete thing, Like my goal every
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: day is to just be better than the day before.
• 42:34
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• 43:57
  Speaker 2: You mentioned social media, so let's touch on that.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: You said that obviously people started coming more and more
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: to your page and you started getting more and more followers.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: What was that switch like for you, because obviously you
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: must have gotten to a point where you were like, wow,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: this isn't just like my little corner of the internet now,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: like this is like a place that people are coming
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: to for everything from just to like check in and
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: see how you're doing, to actual advice because they shared
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: at one point or another the singles that you did
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: when it came to running.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very very cool.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Like when I think about it, I'm like, oh my gosh,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Like it's it's hard to actually put the numbers into
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: realizing that those are that many people, you know, So
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: sometimes I forget and post as if like four people
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: are seeing it. Like I recently posted a photo of
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: just me running in Berlin and it was a downstride
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: and my skin is loose and I have cellulite, and
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: I posted it, but like you don't really think about
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: the magnitude and one point seven million people saw it
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: on faceboo book and then you're like, oh my gosh,
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: I just put this picture out of like my loose
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: skin in my celly, like and all these people have
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: seen it. This is weird, Like this going from like
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: the girl in high school, like I have keratosis pullars
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: on my arms and I would wear three quarter length
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: sleeve shirts because I was so self conscious about it.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: And so I'm like, this is the girl that was
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: like covering her arms and now she's just like bearing
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: all on the internet, you know.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: So it is. It's definitely like a weird but also
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: cool thing.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: I do hope that I I hope I'm making a
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: difference and helping people. Originally, like when it first started out,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: I think everything was very organic in the sense that
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: like people just randomly found me. And now because it
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: is the way that I make a living, like I
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: it's it's something that I actively learn, like what content
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: to put out or what people are interested in.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: With the goal of.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: The larger my platform is, the more ability I have
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: to help other people, and the more my voice is heard,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: the larger my platform gets. So like for example, last year,
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: around Thanksgiving time, runners World posted this thing talking about
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: running off the cookies, and I commented back basically like
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: come on, Runners World, like do better, Like no one
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: needs the guilt the day after Thanksgiving, Like it's a
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: holiday for your family, No one needs to be told how.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Many cookies they need to run off.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: And because I have a large platform. The way the
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: algorithm worked, my comment was bumped up to the top
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: and so then it had like eight hundred likes of
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: people agreeing like, hey, this is not cool, like ea,
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: the cookies, don't eat the cookies. And they issued an apology,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: took down the post, and then interviewed me for an
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: article explaining why I'm passionate about not piling on food guilt.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: And that wouldn't be they wouldn't listen to my voice
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: if I didn't have that large platform. So while it
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: one percent is me sharing my everyday life, like I'm
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: not you know, I'm not running marathons for Instagram. This
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: is me sharing my life, I do share it in
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: a way that I want to grow the platform because
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: I want to have a larger voice so I can
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: affect change.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Do you find that when things get really hard for
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: you personally that you want to completely pull away from
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: your platform.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Yes, And it's so so hard, and I actively try
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: to force myself not to do that.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: What do you do to combat that or do you
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: ever actually just take a little bit of time then.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: So I I actually have a skit.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: I'm taking time off in December, like a break, taking
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: all the apps off my phone, Like I just need
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: a period of time to like just be me and
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: not be mile Posts because at this point it's kind
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: of I don't even know how to explain it. It's
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: like it's almost like a different person, you know what
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, Like I'm the same person, but it's also
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: this like when people meet me, they're like mile Posts,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: and I'm like.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: My name's Dorothy. Yeah, I'm a real person behind this thing.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I am planning on taking some time off.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: I try to just share it like I'm having a
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: terrible day, Like I'm gonna tell people I'm not having
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: a good day because I don't want it to be.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: I don't want and I tell people this. Also, if
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: you come to my page and my page makes you
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: feel anything other than good, please unfollow me or mute me,
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: because I don't want you to open up Instagram and
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: feel bad about yourself, either because of what I said
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: or because of what I posted, or you know, maybe
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: you're going through a rough patch and it really annoys
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: you that this girl is running marathons around the world.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: You know, like whatever reason it is you do for
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: your mental health.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: You do that.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: So I find that when I open Instagram and I
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: see somebody that while that woman has it all, like
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: she has a great career and she is beautiful and
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: look at her family. I love when that woman is like, yeah,
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: today really sucked, like and here's why, and like my
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: life may look great and it is great, Like my
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: life is great, but also my life deeply sucks sometimes,
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: you know. And so I just want people to not
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: feel alone in there also pain yea, in their trauma pain,
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's hard to be it's hard
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: to beulnerable sometimes for fear of judgment. But the reality
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: is is that you're going to be judged whether you're
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: having a good day or you're having a bad day.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: So I have I know different people handle comments differently
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: than I do, but I so when people would say
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: not nice things to me or judge me. There was
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: a period of time actually that the top Google search
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: getting people to my blog was to mile post gain weight,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: and like that deeply affected me and made me feel terrible.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: And I started to realize like I was giving so
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: much power to other people. And so now like if
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: someone comments a positive comment, it's lovely and I'm so
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: thankful that you're choosing to lift me up. But also
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know you and you don't fully know me,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: and so I'm not going to let all the praise
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: go to my head and I'm not going to let
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: the negative pull me down. So it's just kind of
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: like this middle ground. So when a real friend, somebody
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: that I know in real life says something that those
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: are the comments that I hold and I'm like, Okay,
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: this woman that I respect or you know, this man
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: said this. Okay, now you can feel good.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: And I've gone like out of my way to have
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: conversations with the people that I really care about to
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: reiterate that I need that actual like you give me
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: a phone call, shoot me a text, like let's have
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: a real conversation, because it's easy in this world of
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: social media to have a lot of these quick interactions
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: and think that you're in the loop. But just because
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: you watch what's going on in my day doesn't mean
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: you know what's going on in the rest of my life. Yes, absolutely,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: and so it's been like so critical for me, especially
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: within the last couple of years, just to be like hey,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: and also on my part making the effort to check
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: in with the people that I care about and having
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: these really important conversations and knowing that it's important to
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: tell them what you need. When I would sense myself
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: getting frustrated that some of my best friends either from
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: you know, from growing up or from college, like I
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: wouldn't talk to them in a while, and I'd get
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: frustrated in my head, I'd be like, well, they're just
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: seeing what I'm doing on social media, so they think
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: they're in the loop. But until I tell them that
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: that's how I feel that, I'm just going to keep
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: feeling that way. So it's like a two way street, right,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: It's a two way street.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: So there is a period of time where I was
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: and this is in the past four years, where I
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: was deeply depressed and not showering for like over a
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: week at a time. And when I say not showering,
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: I still was running. So I'd run not shower and
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: it was because I couldn't be alone with myself in
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: the shower, like it was just too vulnerable of a thing.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: And I was deeply not okay. Thankfully, I had a
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: friend who was like, Dorothy, you are not okay, Like
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: I love you, but you need help and you don't
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: even realize how like bad you've gotten. There were so
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: many people in my life that are close friends that
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: were like I had no idea.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: They're like, you.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: Look so happy on Instagram and I was like, well, yeah,
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: I was happy in that one moment of that whole day.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: So it's not that that moment was fake, but that
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: was only five seconds of my day, right, you know
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: what I mean? And I just realized that, Like I
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: it's like you said, like you have to tell your
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: friends what's actually going on, you know, like maybe you
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: don't feel comfortable because I can only talk about this
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: in hindsight. Like when I was going through this, I
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: could not. I couldn't post on Instagram that, Like I mean,
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: I don't even fully in the moment. I don't even
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: think I fully realized how depressed I was, you know,
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: But just being being able to tell people like that
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: is also just Instagram. So like I'm going to call
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: you and ask you how you are, and I want
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: you to tell me the truth. And I'm going to
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: call you and I'm going to tell you this is
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: how it is.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: This is how it is. Yeah, Yeah, it's a lot
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: of pressure sometimes.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well I think we live in this era of
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: social media. It's like a it's a pressure filled time,
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: you know, and I haven't figured out how to combat that.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting because I noticed with the
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: more people that follow me and like trying to keep
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: up with the Joneses and trying to make sure that
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: I literally had a nightmare the other night that I
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: had gotten a listener email I love you, guys. I
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: got a listener email that like slipped through the cracks
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: and I didn't answer it. And I was out during
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: the day and I came back home and someone had
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: come and robbed my apartment and took all my stuff,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: and I left a note and they said, I emailed
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: you and you didn't respond to me. And I just
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: really felt like you didn't care about me. And I
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: remember like looking down and realizing that like my most
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: valuable possessions, which are these two rings I wear every day,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: we're still on my hands, and that at the end
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: of the day, like the things that they took were
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: just things, and that I was going to be okay
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: and I just needed to check back in on my relationships.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: But holy geez, like that's what I'm having a dream about,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Like I'm having a dream that like I am messing
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: up with the people that I don't even know what
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: I care so deeply about, And this is where I'm
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: at in my life, Like this is what's I think
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: it's also good.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, of course, like I really truly do care
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: about the people that follow me that send me messages,
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Like I'm happy for them. I love when they send
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: me messages. I want to help celebrate their life too.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: But also it's like, you have friends and people that
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: are physically around you and with you. Why are you
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: investing so much of your effort and people you'll never
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: even meet or know? You know, And that's not to
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: say that you can't encourage those people and take time
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: out to respond to them, but like, do you give
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: those people more of your attention in your life than
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: like your actual friends?
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: This year is the first year that I have given
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: myself permission to delete. Like, I can't respond to every
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: direct message I get, like at a minimum one hundred
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: direct messages today, and some of them are quick and
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: I can fire it off. But like it's a lot
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: of time on Instagram. I spend a lot of time
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: on Instagram, and so I have gotten to a point
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: where I'm like, you know.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: What, it's okay to just hit delete.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it doesn't mean you don't care about what they're asking.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: It just means that you can't.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Do it all.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can't do it all, that's okay. What
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: else do you think? I mean, that's obviously one thing
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: in your life that you've given yourself a little bit
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: of grace with. What else would you say over the
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: last few years, even including that difficult time that you
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: went through that you mentioned that you have, how have
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: you learned in other ways to give yourself a little
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: bit of grace?
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: So I think part of why I fell into that
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: depressed state is because I wasn't giving myself grace. And
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: so now I just like I just pass it out freely,
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: like it's like you do anything that you know, because
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: it's like it's so easy when you mess up on
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: something to like get down on yourself, and I'm somebody
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: who can very easily get down on myself, and so
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, nope, moving right on past that one.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: Or like you messed up, okay, We're gonna go right
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: past that too, Or you said something stupid, or you
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: offended somebody like you're gonna say sorry, and then if
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: they can't forgive you, you're going to move past that too,
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Like you're just going to keep quickly moving past things
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: because otherwise it's just so easy to have all that
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: stuff weigh you down, right, and then you know, then
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: you're not You can't like live your life the way
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: you're supposed to live your life if you're way down.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: The thing is, though, is like who tells you how
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: you're supposed to live your life?
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: You know? True?
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well I just I don't. I don't want to
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: be wayed down.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: I don't want that shit. I don't want that emotional jump.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because yeah, it really is so easy for me
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: to beat myself up.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's a learned behavior or
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: just who I am.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think a lot of people share in
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: that feeling that are all our own worst critics. But
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: the best thing that you know, and you even said before,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: is like how I talk to myself? Like I have
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: the ability to talk to myself with kindness, and that's
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: something that a lot of people are still learning, right.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: So one of my favorite things that I did so
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, I was out running and
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: I saw this mailbox and it was painted and it
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: said love letters on it, and I thought to myself,
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: I'm going to write myself a love letter. And so
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: I wrote myself a love letter and there was all
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: these It was like, I love your strong legs because
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: they take you through marathons even though you have cellulite
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: and they rub and that's annoying. And he was like
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: with every compliment I gave myself, I also was like, well,
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: I can learn to appreciate my arms because it's carrying
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: my kids. But it's like it wasn't a full on
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: love letter. Yeah, And it was like, okay, so I'm
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: gonna write that letter. I'm gonna write out whatever comes
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: to mind. And then a month from now, I'm gonna
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: write myself another love letter, and I'm going to see
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: if I can just say I love your legs or
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: you have beautiful eyes without giving the caveat every single
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: time of like, well you know what I mean. And
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: it sounds so silly, but.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: It really really.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: Helps me because I constantly have to come up with
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: new things of being like I love that you are
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: interested in other people's marathons, you know, like you have
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: to come up with these things that are new, and
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: it builds you up, you know, right, because who would
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: write a love letter? Like if it was you know,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: you're writing a love letter to your husband, like I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: love you even though.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: You smell like it's like you wouldn't write that. You
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: would never write that, so like, why are you doing
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: that to yourself?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: I did an exercise earlier this year where we were
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: supposed to write like a letter and it wasn't branded
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: like a love letter or any kind of letter, just
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: like a letter to ourselves. And I realized in that letter,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: like how much negative stuff I had to say to myself.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: And it was a really pivotal moment for me, realizing
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: that I'd been kind of also spiraling in such a
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: way with my eating patterns and just like trying to
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: over exercise a bad diet and just like a lot
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: of negative self talk going on that for me. After
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: I wrote that letter and I read it at we
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: had we did this exercise where we read it out loud,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: and it was like I heard it. When I heard
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: myself say these things, I was like, what are you doing?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: And I mean it really turned things around for me,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Like I was really able to shift the dialogue, and
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I actually recorded a hurdle moment on that about ways
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: to get rid of that negative self talk. But I
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: think it's just when you write down you see the
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: things that are happening in your mind, like and you're
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: able to actually physically see them. It's such a game changer,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Like such a game changer, for sure. It really is crazy.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: But we have the power to change our thoughts.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: And that's I love. That's cool. Okay, so we're going
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: to start winding down here.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I asked you a question similar to this before, but
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: I'd love just to get a new take on it.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: You on Instagram have all of these people that are
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: following along with you, and they see this woman who
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: at times is like open to sharing like her body,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: just as it is with the cellulite and with whatever
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: else it comes with, you know, and the imperfections. When
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: you look in the mirror, what is it that you see?
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a tough question because I can very easily
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: pick myself apart. It's very easy to do that. But
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: I try to just look in the mirror and be like,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: you're beautiful for me. I think the way I see
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: myself in the mirror has changed as my daughter has
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: gotten older. She is almost as tall as me, and
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: we are like our bodies are so similar. And so
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: I look at her like she comes downstairs, and I'm
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: just like, I worth the cutest human ever. Like I
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: just look at her and she's like such a cool girl.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh my gosh, I love her. And
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: then I'm like, Okay.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: So her thighs look exactly like my thighs, like they
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: are going to rub for the rest of her life.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: And she is beautiful. So if I can see how
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: beautiful she is, why can't I see that beauty? So
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: that has helped me to just look in the mirror
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: and see somebody who's beautiful.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is tough.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: There's times when I'm like, like, so I shared this
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: photo recently that.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: You know, my my.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: The skin on my stomach is loose from having three
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: kids and I have cellulite. And even though it was
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: maybe a photo that some people would say, we're not flattering,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't like. I wasn't embarrassed by it. But then
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: some woman shared it and was like, you look at
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: this woman, it's so great. She's sharing a photo of
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: all her saggy skin. And I was like, oh, saggy skin,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: it's not what you think of me. And in that
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: moment was the first moment that I actually started being
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: critical of that photo, because I wasn't critical of it
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: up into that moment.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's interesting. I think it's just a.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: Uh work in progress every day and a choice to
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: like look in the mirror and see somebody beautiful.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: You have the opportunity right now to offer the Dorothy
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: who's just getting out of college, she's moving back in
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: with her mom. She's not sure what she wants to do,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: and she's you know, one half marathon down, going through
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: that Hurtle moment. You have an opportunity right now to
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: offer her one piece of advice.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: What do you tell her? To keep going?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: Because running is going to change her life, but she
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: doesn't know that, and it would be so easy for
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: her at that moment in time to be frustrated and.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: To just give up. And so yeah, to keep going.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: And I'd give that advice to myself right now, you know, like,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: just keep going.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: I meant to ask you this favorite marathon you've ever run?
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is so hard because I so
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: have so mandy to pick from it. I know, well,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: I love Marine Corps obviously because it was my first
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: and it was my first SUP four and it was
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: my first bee key you and I've run it eleven
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: times now. But there's also this whole world of marathons
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: out there, and gosh, Tokyo and Berlin they just I mean,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: every time I tell people the stories of them, like
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: my face just lights up.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: They were so amazing.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's going to be hard to say just one,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: but I'd say those three so far.
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