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Cowboy Carter · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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  Speaker 1: Hey, tolerators, listens to all the men I've tolerated before
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  Speaker 1: with Nadley Katona, your weekly look at everyday misogyny. Today
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  Speaker 1: is another pleasure because we have back with us are
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  Speaker 1: good friends of the pod, Alrinthia Carter and Julia Washington,
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  Speaker 1: And today we will be tackling Beyonce, Cowboy Carter and
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: country music. What a behemoth of an episode. Good on
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  Speaker 1: the two of you for taking it on.
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  Speaker 2: Do we want to say tackling?
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  Speaker 1: Was tackling not a good word. That's what we say
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  Speaker 1: when we talk about hard things.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it is always say about harding. Hello friends, Hello
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  Speaker 2: tolerance number one?
• 1:02
  Speaker 3: How does it if you two don't like this joke?
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  Speaker 3: I'll cut it.
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  Speaker 1: How does it feel to be two women of color
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  Speaker 1: who get to teach me about country music and racism
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  Speaker 1: within country music?
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  Speaker 3: But instead of just normal racism.
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  Speaker 1: Country music racism racism.
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  Speaker 2: It's the original racism.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, what's our relationship with country music?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna say, like, I don't think it is
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  Speaker 4: inherently racist. I think that it's colonized. Yes, yes, and
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  Speaker 4: then that became inherently racist.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I would actually agree with that because black people
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  Speaker 2: started country and I know that, and people only learned
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  Speaker 2: that because everyone was outraged. You don't say to the
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  Speaker 2: country album, and you know some of us were over
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  Speaker 2: here like no, but like we started country, Like do
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  Speaker 2: you not know the history of Ajo?
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  Speaker 1: Before we get into the fact that people got mad
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  Speaker 1: that Beyonce did a country music album and then had
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  Speaker 1: to come to face with black people inventing country music,
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  Speaker 1: we first learned that from the Elvis movie that when
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  Speaker 1: Austin Butler went full Pressley.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, which kicked off our still comfy series.
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  Speaker 2: I think, yeah it did. And I had to I
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  Speaker 2: had to nurture you threw your pain because you had
• 2:32
  Speaker 2: to grapple with the fact that I forced you into
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: realizing that Elvis is a cultural vulture.
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  Speaker 3: He is. I knew, but it's one thing to watch
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  Speaker 3: a three hour movie.
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  Speaker 2: I got it, but I put your nose in it.
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  Speaker 2: Like I fully was like, Natalie, we are not excusing
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  Speaker 2: this ever again.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, Julia, this leelan Stitch soundtrack is
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  Speaker 1: my comfort soundtrack.
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  Speaker 3: What about Leelo and Stitch.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry you get to listen to it. I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not telling you anything.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I recognize I have a conspiracy theory about country
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  Speaker 3: music if anyone would like to hear.
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  Speaker 2: It always I'm afraid but continue.
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  Speaker 1: You know how every web wire has a nine to
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  Speaker 1: eleven to purpose pipeline.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, especially for like the gen X Millennial one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know nine to eleven to pipeline pipeline to purpose. Well,
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  Speaker 1: country music because of nine to eleven got out of hand,
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  Speaker 1: misogynistic and racist, and we can think one rest in Paradise.
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  Speaker 3: Toby Keith for that, because he died a couple of years.
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: Remember he was in Remember I read you that Twitter
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  Speaker 1: joke that was like in honor of Black History Month,
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  Speaker 1: Toby Keith died.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Well he was like one of those people like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: So there's the people who died it are like, oh
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  Speaker 4: I thought he was already dead, yes, And then there
• 4:05
  Speaker 4: are people who are dying are like, oh, spin you
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  Speaker 4: know what I mean. Like I feel after the I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, you can't call it Americana.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 4: After the like nationalism roots or nationalism response at eleven
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  Speaker 4: kind of like worked this way in the country. Like
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  Speaker 4: I think that that was all he could do at
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  Speaker 4: that point, Like you can't.
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  Speaker 2: Go back to.
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  Speaker 3: The girls.
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  Speaker 2: I also feel like it was really like it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: immediately blatant either, because IONE had like this weird sense
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  Speaker 2: of like unity after nine to eleven, like people were
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  Speaker 2: bonding that you never would have bonded with before. And
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  Speaker 2: then and then because we were in that cloudy haze,
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  Speaker 2: it just sort of like like a fog seeped into
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  Speaker 2: our hair and ruined it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I grew up.
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  Speaker 1: Loving country music, and then I went to Nashville to
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  Speaker 1: see Chelsea and fell back in love with country music.
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  Speaker 1: Because when I was growing up with country music, it
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  Speaker 1: was all angry I'm a murder you chick music, Like
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  Speaker 1: it was Reba, it was Shanaya, it was the Chicks.
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  Speaker 1: It was all of this we don't actually care about
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  Speaker 1: men music. And I was like, yeah, bring that back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Ed was really into country music. He didn't listen
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  Speaker 2: to it as often when we were growing up, Like
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  Speaker 2: it was definitely more like a motown centric Saturday when
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  Speaker 2: you was home, you know, a lot of sixties and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But I think it was like in my early twenties
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  Speaker 2: and I realized, like dad loves country music, we love
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  Speaker 2: country music. We had this family member who was in
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  Speaker 2: a band and they were playing some they were doing
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  Speaker 2: some covers of country song and he would be like,
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  Speaker 2: you actually, uh mess up that verse. You know. He'd
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  Speaker 2: be like we forgot and they're like there's so many
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  Speaker 2: we cover these songs. And then like literally days later
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  Speaker 2: they'd call them be like so, actually, you're right, sorry,
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  Speaker 2: we messed that up, Like we'll fix it now. Like
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  Speaker 2: he had a weird knowledge base of country music that
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  Speaker 2: was so foreign to us as kids, because it was
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  Speaker 2: like we didn't messed the county. But like my grandparents,
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  Speaker 2: my grandpa, they lived on a what would be considered
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  Speaker 2: now a hobby farm back in the eighties, and and
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  Speaker 2: so like country music was just kind of there, I
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: don't know because of proximity, because you're in the country,
• 6:37
  Speaker 2: but like westerns were on, so then of course, like
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  Speaker 2: the music on the Westerns sort of seeped in, and
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: like there were certain musicians that just sort of became
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  Speaker 2: kind of these staples I guess if you will. And
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: it's it's interesting because like my sister got really into
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  Speaker 2: country music, like the amount of times she's seen Brad
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  Speaker 2: Paisley We make every time she bought and being like
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: make you see bad Paisley and be like okay.
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  Speaker 5: Way, So it wasn't really like we didn't have like
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  Speaker 5: like you, Natalie, like you had all the strong female
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  Speaker 5: role models and country we didn't have that.
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  Speaker 2: We had a lot of like men being like I'm
• 7:22
  Speaker 2: ridding a horse. Here's mob revolver. She thinks, Si, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: kind of like because of that, No, I know, I
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  Speaker 2: do know. I didn't.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: And because of where we live, country music is a
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  Speaker 2: huge part of the culture. And by we, I mean
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  Speaker 2: like me is in Julia, because you know, I literally
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  Speaker 2: within a Yeah, I'm in farm country, which people forget
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  Speaker 2: existing now has read the fifth logest economy and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of it is ag ag and tech agon tech.
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  Speaker 2: Those two could get married watch out world.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think for me, like my my parents were,
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  Speaker 4: my dad was a fan of everything, and my mom
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  Speaker 4: was pretty much a fan of everything that was like
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  Speaker 4: available in her area. Like my parents are both from
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  Speaker 4: South Carolina, but my mom was like a big fan
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  Speaker 4: of like the Oakridge Boys in Alabama. And then for me,
• 8:27
  Speaker 4: like I always loved Crystal Gale, but purely.
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: For like Gale, I think I loved her her hair.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean because I was a little kid, right,
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  Speaker 4: so I love that and I grew up like through
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  Speaker 4: like I don't know if you can call it glam country.
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  Speaker 4: It was almost like like a kissing cousin to glam rock, right,
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  Speaker 4: like you have like Barber Mandrel and then you had
• 8:52
  Speaker 4: you know, Riba was blowing up, Tammy Wynette. You know
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  Speaker 4: these big, like bloombastic women with huge hair and sequins everywhere,
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  Speaker 4: you know, singing country, and I think like they're like
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  Speaker 4: the four mothers of you know, the Shanaiyas and the
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  Speaker 4: Chicks and you know everyone that came after that. And
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  Speaker 4: so I think I grew up with like just the
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  Speaker 4: shyness of country, like people who had like made good
• 9:24
  Speaker 4: like Fancy grew up in a shack and now she
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  Speaker 4: has like furs and things like that. I think it
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  Speaker 4: was like more of that sort of.
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  Speaker 1: Thing, and I love that type of country, Like Fancy
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  Speaker 1: is a song that raised me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm finding in adulthood, especially you know now
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  Speaker 2: being friends with you all, there is a point where
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  Speaker 2: there's a there's a part of country music that actually
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  Speaker 2: does And I didn't realize it was the missing piece
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  Speaker 2: because I've been feeling a little empty about some things,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm sure we'll get into it. But when Beyonce
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  Speaker 2: released Cowboy Carter, I was like, oh, this is absolutely
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  Speaker 2: filling the void that I knew was there but didn't
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  Speaker 2: know how to fell it because I was so I
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  Speaker 2: had gone so in the opposite direction of like, fuck
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  Speaker 2: country music. There's so much racism, Like I can't deal
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  Speaker 2: with the crowds, like and because our fair we always
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  Speaker 2: had like country music acts more than we had like
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  Speaker 2: rock acts. But it was like I had a cultural
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  Speaker 2: aversion in teenagehood, in adolescence because of how like seeped
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  Speaker 2: it was here, like Oakdale is the cowboy country of
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  Speaker 2: the world, which is like twenty minutes east of me,
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  Speaker 2: and like the rodeo is a huge thing, and so
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: like cowboy culture is such a huge thing here. Again,
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  Speaker 2: people don't associate California with it. That I had a
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: visceral reaction. It was just like anti anti anti, But
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  Speaker 2: I didn't realize that it was the childhood feeling. It
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  Speaker 2: like is healing that there's like part of it that
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: I need to heal my childhood wounds. And I thank you,
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  Speaker 2: thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Beyonce. Thanks And I think.
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  Speaker 4: Her parents are like the same age as maybe our parents,
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  Speaker 4: I think so, yeah, and so they probably grew up
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  Speaker 4: in that same kind of it came from the same
• 11:19
  Speaker 4: kind of era, you know, living in Texas and Louisiana
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  Speaker 4: across the South. I think everybody was listening to those things,
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  Speaker 4: especially if you lived in like a rodeo culture. And
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  Speaker 4: my mom grew up watching western She still watches Westerns
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  Speaker 4: to this day, and so you can definitely see all
• 11:37
  Speaker 4: of those influences the whole album.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like every transition where it's like and now
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  Speaker 2: it's time for the smokehoer and I was like, why
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: am I six years old again? But like in a
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  Speaker 2: good way. Yeah. I only regret is that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's not my regret because it's not my album,
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  Speaker 4: But if I were her, my regret would have been
• 12:02
  Speaker 4: that I didn't do a song like a whole song
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  Speaker 4: with Willie Nelson and or Dolly Parton, like I love
• 12:09
  Speaker 4: that they did, like, hey, guys, she's cool, she's going
• 12:14
  Speaker 4: to be here, Like I love that, But I would
• 12:16
  Speaker 4: be interested to see, like what she would have done
• 12:19
  Speaker 4: with a whole feature song.
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  Speaker 2: With either of them, especially Willie Nelson. I mean, Dolly
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  Speaker 2: Parton is the Queen. We understand that, but there's something
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  Speaker 2: about white culture's obsession with Willy Nelson like he transcends
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: all of it. Like I know people who are wildly racist,
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: but then I also know people who are wildly on
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  Speaker 2: the left who love him. So he's like he's like
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: a really good glue.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I thought that the two of you would be
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: tickled to know that.
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  Speaker 1: One of my like big bold thoughts on the album
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  Speaker 1: is I just feel like, if Dolly Parton and Willie
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  Speaker 1: Nelson got on board with this album, all white people
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  Speaker 1: should have followed suit. Do white people love more than
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  Speaker 1: Willie and Dolly?
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  Speaker 2: I asked, right, no, truly.
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  Speaker 4: I mean she did come out and said black lives matter,
• 13:11
  Speaker 4: and they people still get upset. So after that point,
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  Speaker 4: I think, all that's We're all, yeah, that's true, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: If I know one thing, it's that white women will
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  Speaker 1: get upset about anything and put it on the internet.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I was, Yeah, I thought it was huge.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's huge that no one has been able
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: to do anything with Joline because Dolly has such a
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: personal relationship to this. On Joline, except for Beyonce, She's like,
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: I've always wanted to know what Beyonce would do with Joline.
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  Speaker 2: So I have to be honest, I actually didn't. Jolene
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  Speaker 2: is my least favorite song on that album.
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  Speaker 1: Personally, I think I would call it what like, if
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: I had written the album and I was allowed to regret,
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: it would be Joline because because of my feelings that
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: I can't get over when it comes to jay Z
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, you made this all about sticking
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: by jay Z. And then like we were on the
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: cusp of the Diddy stuff and I was like, Oh,
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: that's going to bite us all in the ass one
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: day that you made this about sticking by jay Z.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think when it comes to Joline, and I started to
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: get over it today because there are a lot of
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: ways that in the new Joline's song, Beyonce steps into
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: her power and it is still very much a don't
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: even look at him. He's got what he wants because
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: I'm a queen and there's no need, there's no need
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: to even try this. But then I get so conflicted,
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: and I know that it's my own hateful self because
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: I can't react nicely to stick by your man culture.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, stop that, because he'd never do it for
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  Speaker 1: you stop.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: So the song stand By Your Man is the bane
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  Speaker 2: of your existence.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I still sing along to it when it
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: pops up on five or five I'm like stamp man,
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: but I can't do it.
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  Speaker 3: You won't catch me ever doing it well.
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  Speaker 4: After the series George and Tammy about you know, George
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: Jones and Tammy Whynette surrounding like it wasn't surrounding her
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: recording that song, but she definitely sang it during that
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: series and in her real life, like she wasn't really
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: feeling like that, you know, ride or Die like I
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: think like this getting of her troubles in her marriage
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: with George Jones. And because she didn't I mean, did
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  Speaker 4: she write it. She co wrote it, I think like
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: someone wrote it for her and then she had her
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: own kind of sunk to it.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's not really an uplift like the way
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  Speaker 1: that she sings it. Sometimes I'm like, is stand By
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  Speaker 1: Your Man.
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  Speaker 3: A sad song? Yes, like it's sad, it's sad, We're
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: devastated to have to do this.
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  Speaker 2: I like, okay, so I don't want to like I
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  Speaker 2: do stand by that. Joline is my least favorite on
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: the album. I do appreciate the musicality of what she
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: did with it. I'm I saying that right, But I
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: think that the Joline version that lives in my heart
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  Speaker 2: that I love the most, that isn't necessarily Dolly Parton's
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: version is the one by the Staves, because they do
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: a version that is just so depressing, oh and wonderful
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: where you're just like, this feels like heartache, This feels
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: like yeah, I've I got mm hmm, I'm i mm
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  Speaker 2: hmmm yep, Like the whole time, I'm like, I feel
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  Speaker 2: every of this song.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's almost like a like a what do you
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: call it? It's like a dirge, you know. The I
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: feel like a lot of this. This is when I
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: get real nerdy, but I feel like a lot of
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: a lot of the songs on this album were very
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: rooted in like heartbreak and sadness and longing for something,
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: which to me is like one of the cornerstones of country,
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: like pure country. It is like at its roots, it's
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: just like longing for something else, you know. So I
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: think Dolene fits in that, but also makes me think, like,
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: you know how like in concerts, you know, people will
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: do like covers of things. You know. I feel like
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Jolene is like if we went to go see Beyonce,
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: like she would say like, oh you know what, I'm
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: gonna cover Jolene for this, but she's her album because
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: she has two covers on this album, which I thought
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: was surprising.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Blackbird gave me no Blackbird is one of my favorite
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: songs in like existence, thank you, but and the Beatles.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, this is the way Blackbirds should have
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: always been. No disrespect Paul McCartney, like, whatever, more power
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  Speaker 2: to you. Yes, we all can agree. You're a genius,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: but this is this is the way blackbirds should have
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: always been. Like, this is this is Blackbird. I'm telling
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: my children, any future children, because my current child grew
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: up on Beatles because of his grandparents. Any future children,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I'm telling them, this is the only Blackbird. Yeah.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: Can I say something controversial?
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Always it's not my show, but I'm giving you a mission.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, white people, people of the white community. But I
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: have always thought that I like Beatle covers better than
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: the Beatles originals.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I love that to me.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've always every every song that I've heard other
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: than like Blackbird and across the universe. I always liked
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: better when someone does their own take on it, you know.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: And I always said it carefully because mostly white dudes
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: will be like, what.
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh, it's because how dare it's like there, it's
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: like their musical inspiration or why they decided they wanted
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: to start playing guitar at a fire pit for women.
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  Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, like I am one of
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: those basic white people who worshipped at the altar of
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the Beatles and chose to be like, that's my music education.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Like I love the Beatles. It's the same way that
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I love the Beach Boys, honestly, like the fires burn
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: bright and with it comes my you know, really complicated
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: relationship with John Stamos So John Sam he's a he's
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: an honorary beach Boy.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Did you not know?
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why they were always on Plahouse because he
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: was the drummer for them in the nineties.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: I feel like I knew that because was he like
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: the Cocamo video he was Yeah, yeah.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: And they used to come on and do Kocomo on
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: full House all the touch of times.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: They were always at a Beach Boys concert always, And.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Then I didn't know until adulthood when I went to
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: see the Beach Boys that exist in this current timeline.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I went and saw them live at a little concert
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: avenue and the I didn't know, because I don't understand
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: time and I live outside of time, that the Beach
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Boys were best friends with the Beatles. I go, what
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: are you talking about? They had a whole slide show
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: about John Lennon. I'm crying, I'm like, what's happening?
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: George was my favorite. It was so cute.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: I think George was my favorite too, but only in
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: like relation.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: To Patty Boyd. I read her book and.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, okay, so George was like the
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: one who like had his stuff together.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I will agree with you that Beatles Beatles
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: covers are beautiful that across them the Universe movie, please
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: fucking put it on stage already. I thought, you guys
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: tried well.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I love the version of deer Prudence in that one better.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Like when I tried to go back to listening to
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the Beatles album that Deer Prudence is on, I was like, no,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I don't like this. I like the Crossing Prudence so
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: much better.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: But anyways, I'm glad that we gave space to white
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: men on the Beyonce episode, And I'm glad that we
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: started with our least favorite tracks because I wanted to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: start with our favorite tracks.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: So sorry, you.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Know what, it's fun you gotta get you know.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that we had this movie, we can end on
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: a high note.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, So what when Cowboy Carter dropped because it has
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: been a minute and we were all grappling with our
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: relationships to country music and on it and all of it.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: What were your overall impressions of the album.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: As a whole.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: I was excited because especially if she does say like
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: this is not she says to herself, like it's not country,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: and I kind of agree because it is country, but
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: it's also like it's so much more than that, Like
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: it has like root music, and it has Americana, and
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: it has bluegrass, it has you know, southern HBCU marching
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: band style and rodeos and all that. So I think
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: it's like I think people got stuck on that one thing,
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: like oh, this is not country, and it's like it is,
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: but it's more than that. Like you can't just like guarantee,
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, you can't just like automatically like categorize it
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: is hard country because what.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Even is that? You know? Right? Well, I think it
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: goes back to that thought process of like the early
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: two thousands of like when country got redefined because of
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: the nine to eleven for this pipeline, pipeline whatever it is,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: so it did become this whole like this is how
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Condrea is, you know. And Beyonce was reminding us, in
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: my opinion that it's like what Alrothie said, it's so
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: much more than just what these white dudes are doing.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: There's so much more. The South is huge. Country music
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: is everywhere. Like I can't think of a single state
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: where you don't have some version of country you know
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: what I mean, like in the continental US, Like like
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I said, and I'm gonna keep saying it because I'm
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: apparently this home. People are shocked when I talk about
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: country culture in California. They're like, that's not a thing.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: It's like, yes, it is. It is absolutely a thing.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: And you know, Wyoming, Montana. But we also associate country
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: music with the South, so it's a huge, all encompassing genre.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: And Beyonce is like, hey, here's here's what I grew
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: up with, Like here's the versions that I know and
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: love and understand. And I get into this conversation all
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: the time, and I don't know this is something that
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: you experience Ceronthia, but like when people will like make
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: these gross generalizations about country music and I'll be like, well,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: that's white people shit, and they're like, no, it's southern,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, I have black Southern family, Like
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I know, I grew up in California, but like I
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: have black Southern family that shits white people shit, Like
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: that's not my black people, Like that's not my country people,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: you know. And and then to the fact that black
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: people can't be country, They're like, what, that's not real.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Everyone's urban and You're just like, no, no, now there's
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: this little thing that we're not a monolith. We're trying
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: to remind you stop shoving us in a box.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Charlie pride, then not die.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: For this, correct, you know what I mean?
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: Like he was somebody who sang at the opera and
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: people are just so quick to forget him, and it's like,
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: why would you, why would you do that? And I
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: think it highlights like just how like buried people and
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: especially people of color are in our country. You have
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: rap and hip hop, you know, just like just take
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: rap and hip hop for example, you have hip hop
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: that's gonna be from La like Kendrick Lamar and that's
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: gonna sound different from rap from Houston and Texas like
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: E forty and all that to Georgia with outcasts in
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: South Carolina and North Carolina with the Pat Pablo and
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: so you I think, like, I don't know, I think
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: that's why I get so excited about this, this album
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: and like this whole series that she's doing when she
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: started with like house and now she's country, and like
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: the rumors are going to be like the next one
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: is going to be rock and roll, which are really
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: gonna make people mad. If you think they're upset about country.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, people still get upset that black people are
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: being in, you know, inducted into the Rock and Roll
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Hall of Fame, and so it's gonna be really interesting
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: to see that. But I think it just highlights, like, no,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: black people are not a monolith, and we are pretty
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: much at the root of every music because you could
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: think of because we didn't have any joys. Oh, of
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: course we're going to make it great, but we can
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: also like take it back and share it with you.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: But also share it in our own distinct voice. That's
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: my soapbox.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Let me let me go into what I learned today.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: So today I did learn that the banjo was created
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: by black people, mostly because I've never thought about it.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Why would I just know that?
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: But also today I actually understood the capitalistic breakdown of
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: what was gearing what was called race music and hillbilly music,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: and how race music became R and B and hillbilly
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: music became country. And that's how they segregated it because
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the music record labels were like, we don't know which
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: one is gonna make money, so separate it and figure
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: it out. I also learned that country music country radio
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: as a whole, not one country radio station plays more
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: than twenty percent of airtime with women singing with women
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: produce songs, women produce songs.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Sun songs.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I messed up my sentence structure a country radio station.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: There is not currently a country radio station in existence
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: that will give up more than twenty percent of airtime
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: to women, women artists, any woman artists. So then that
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: breaks down to black women have zero point zero three
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: percent of airtime.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know what's interesting also about this album
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: is how Beyonce is like, let's find all the black
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: girls who do country and.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Brymen and I'm in love with them now.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: And it's and it's so amazing. So I was watching clips.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I'm waiting for the because I don't do it. I
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: don't football. So I was watching clips at the half
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: the Christmas Day halftime show, which if I hadn't forgotten
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: because football is not a thing, I would have probably
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: actively made time to watch it. But watching that opening
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: scene where she's walking in they're all dressed in white,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: they all have these big cowboy hats on, also white,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: and they're just harmonizing. Fucking chills. Yeah, I've watched that
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: clip and very and like because so many people have
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: recorded it from their phones, watching it on TV and
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: put it on TikTok that I've like TikTok's now like, oh,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: this is the only thing you want? Yes, yes, yes,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: but also don't forget about I want the hot das
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: as well. But yes, give me the Beyonce clips of
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: that opening moment when they're all walking together harmonizing in
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: the most astounded. It's cool. It was, It's I cannot
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: wait for them to like because I think somebody told
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: us in our group chat that like they're gonna like
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: drop it separately so you can watch it.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: It currently isn't all on Netflix, Like I saw a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: remind her to be like when you drop this, tell me,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: but the whole thing is on YouTube.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: I watched it on YouTube today.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I watched it.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: It's like fourteen fourteen minutes and it's stunning, like the
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: transitions that she does when she comes in on the
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: horse and then you think, you look away and you
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: come back and she's walking, and then that's when she
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: meets up with the girls, And I'm just like the
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: artistry of that, like you're singing, you're harmonizing while walking,
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: you know in this.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Learned that in church, Yeah, you know.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: I mean even her like singing, like when she comes
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: in on the horse, her voice shakes a little bit,
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: but then you're like, but she's singing on a horse,
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: like one sitting down. She's sitting on a living animal
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: that she's not controlling and still and the mics on
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: and so it was just it was just fantastic.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Also about the halftime show, can I say a very
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: white lady thing, it's your show, I hope. So I
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: fucking love when a marching band is done right.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Same.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I love marching bands, but specifically marching bands where white
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: people aren't present. I love when marching bands are done correctly.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: It's my favorite. It gets me soul hyped. I'm never
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: more hyped for a sport than when a drum line
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: is drumming.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, oh, okays are always, always hot, always,
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: and I don't know they're hot because they're hot or they're
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: hot because they're.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: So I loved every moment of that halftime show. It's beautiful.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: It was beautiful.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Sixteen Carriages is a song that fucks me up.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Oh good.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: It's because I listened to it and just like took
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: down my thought notes of the whole album. Because I
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: will admit that one of my fatal flaws is because
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I am a person who transcends genders and loves everything.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I very rarely sit down and listen to an album
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: in an entirety in the order that was meant to
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: be listened to to give me the whole story.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: I'm very bad about it, and.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: It's usually that yeah, yeah, it's usually I do it
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: on the day that it was released, and I give
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: it like two or three days to live as an
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: album and then I throw it in my like shuffle
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: playlist and then it's just in rotation.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Oh interesting. When Cowboy Carter dropped, I listened to it
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: as Beyonce intended, for a literal thirty days. The album
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: would end, and then I would just go, okay, start
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: it over and then just over, and I swear my
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: neighbors are probably like does this How think? Like, can
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: she listen to something else? Because it was a stret
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: because I remember when Taylor Swift dropped her album thirty
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: days later. It's like, I'm not done with Cowboy Carter.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Like Taylor, you have to wait, and she still is waiting.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I haven't listened to the album in its entirety, but
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: like Cowboy Carter was on up and I actually like
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: hate that you can shuffle it on Spotify, Like I
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: was like, can't we do like we did with Adele,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: who was like, Spotify, I take the shuffle off this
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: album because I have a very specific, curated story I'm
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: trying to tell and you're ruining it. Like I feel
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: like they should do the same with Cowboy Carter because
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: it really is a journey. It is a ride, like
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: you start in such a where you start is not
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: where you end emotionally, in my opinion, that's so deep.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: But there are book ends because today I learned that
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the word wreck wreckiem I can't even say I'm requm
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: unless I'm singing it. Now, I guess today I learned
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: that that word, which I've known forever because I'm an
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: avid reader, means mass and like a religious ceremony.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: I was like, I guess I've.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Never specifically like it's it's a like a lurgy, liturgy,
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: surturgy for the dead, you know, it's like And so
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: I like that she started with that because to me,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: it felt like she was thinking, like the ancestors and
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: people who came before, and this is the foundation of
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: what the story I'm trying to tell here, and like
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: I feel like the songs on the first half are
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: very like traditionally rooted and then it goes or kind
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: of modern things. But with sixteen carriages, this is where
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: I wrote them.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I can get my notes and gases.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: But so for me, when I first heard it, and
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: I should back up and say this, like it related
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: to what you were saying before, Like I listened to
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: my listen to a new album. I listened to an
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: album like three three times in different ways. So the
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: first is I'm listening to all of it, and then
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: I listen again. I listened to just the instrumentation. Cannot
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: speak today the instruments, how.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: The instrument music language hard.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And then I listened to it again with just
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: the lyrics, again with everything, because I like my brain,
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: I have to put everything into a separate box and
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: I like to see the formula and what you do
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: and then how it all comes together at the end.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: In that way for me, because I do listen to
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: so much music, it helps me kind of see like, oh,
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: this is like rooted in this, and this is rooted
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: in that. Like I talked to a friend who's a
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: producer and he was like, I feel like you listen
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: to more music than I do and it's probably not possible.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: And I was like, no, just listen to a different way.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: And also I like the organized from thoughts and I'm
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: really nerdy.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: So going from that with sixteen carriages, immediately what I
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: heard was like railroad work songs and see and you
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: know that definitely relates to what she was trying to say,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: because those men that were doing that she's fancies and
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: the Railroad Work songs is like they are not seeing
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: like what the end goal is going to be, Like
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: it's such a big picture for them, but they do
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: know what they're doing now is essential to building that.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: And I think for.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Her, like describing her days and like girls Time to
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: Destiny's Child, to like her solo career, Like I feel
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: like there were absolutely times where she was like, why
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: am I doing this? I could just enjoy my money
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: and you know, enjoy my husband or whatever she was
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: doing at the time.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: But maybe she saw like.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: This is what this could have been, Like this is
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: the this is the potential, Like I'm going to be
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: able to do what all those black women and black
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: people could have done with all the power of money
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: that Elvis had behind him.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: You know, it's probably even more at this point.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Well, and I so one of the notes that I
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: wrote down for the first track, American Requiem, is that
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: immediately she addresses the chatter that will happen because of
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: this album, She's like, ah, she goes, you love to
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: talk about me, you love it, And I'm like, that's right, Beyonce.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: They need to put some respect on your name. And
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: then she makes people. She's like forcing them to face
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: the fact that if they're ready, they're ready, and if
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: they're not, it's because they fear her. And she's doing
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: it while owning.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Her Texan roots.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: And I was like, that's fucking beautiful because I've had
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: to argue with people that she has Texan roots, which
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: confused the fuck out of me. I was like, you
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: didn't know that Beyonce was from Texas And they.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Go, no, since when? And I was like, I literally
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: learned that from a Smart Guy episode on Disney Channel.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: It's like like nineteen eighty two, right.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Like from the beginning, I go, they were literally like.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Wearing the Texan flag or something, and they're Smart Guy episode.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: And I think that also goes back to people just
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: assuming all black people's experience is exactly the same. We
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: all are this very specific, you know, presentation that is
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: shared with the world through media, and it is hard
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: for people to think like like we could like I
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: always have to tell people because you know, I didn't
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: know a lot of like I do Bay Area wrappers
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: because the proximity of Minesta to the Bay, but like
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: bigger than that, outside of that, you know, it wasn't
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: really like a part of my upbringing. So like when
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: people be like, oh my god, you don't know blah
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: blah blah, it's like, no, my my my people are
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: country like my people. My people are not urban. My
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: black people are not urban. We are people who live
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: in the orchards. We don't like city. I mean I
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: like city life. I actually, you know, country life is
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: great to visit. That's where I'm at now and my age.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: But like I grew up in the summers in a
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: fucking field, Like, urban life is not the life for
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: my family, right, Like the people that we hailed from,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Like there was something about being freed and then still
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: trying to find farms that we could live near after
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: the Great Migration is real. Like to his dying breath,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: my grandfather was not a city guy. Hated it, hated it,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: hated it like anyway. So it's like it goes I
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: think it goes back to that whole like, oh, what
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: do you mean Not everybody's like Teapot, Like what do
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: you mean not everybody's from Oakland or Compton, And You're
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: just like, what do you mean everybody from Oakland or Comday.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: So I am like, because I'm a music nerd, and
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I will like follow. I love when artists pivot. That's
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: my favorite. Like my favorite Lady Gaga album is the
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Joe Anne album in honor of her dead aunt. And
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Chris says on the Wicked episode, he goes, nmly, that's
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: not even her favorite album.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: I go, I'm aware, does it matter? I love when
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: artists pivot.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: So I was so excited for Cowboy Carter because I
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: was first off, TikTok had just been like, hey, you
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: white lady, have you ever heard of black country woman music?
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: And I was like no, because I live with so
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: many white people and They're like, here's a taste.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: And I had just gotten into this like.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Account that would like show you different songs and be
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: like bet you never heard of her.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: I'd be like, you were right. So I knew it
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: was better. I knew.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's better when it's done by
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: people like Beyonce Well.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: And I think a lot of like the the coverard
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: of barriers have been removed. I mean, if you look
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: back in like the fifties and the sixties, even if
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: you had black groups, they still had to put pictures
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: of white people on the albums. God forbid, you know,
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: you accidentally buy you know, an now buy a black group,
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: and like people will say like, oh, this is the
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: is the music of the devil and it's going to
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: like lead our kids thin and you know, rocking and
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: rolling and all of that. And so I think like
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: there's sometimes it's good to be have like a modern
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: sensibility about old art because they take away like that
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: I can't even see what their faces look like, but
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: I am going to enjoy their music.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: And I think she takes that off a lot too.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: And maybe people are like they're feeling the sting of
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: the band aid being ripped off by listening to this
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: and beyond like against their will, they're liking it and
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: they're surprised, but they should be surprised because Beyonce is
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: very like she's I think she's so intentional and she's
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: not going to put something out that's not going to
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: be good.
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: No.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Renaissance literally changed my DNA, Like I was
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: the very first time I listened to Renaissance, I was like, oh,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I I'm mutating in a way that I fully didn't expect.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Not mad, not mad about it, but holy shit.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Well, and I think that's why it's so beautiful that
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Trek two is Blackbird, and that she uses Blackbird to
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: uplift the voices of other black women that people probably
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: never that are just hiding in the corners of Spotify
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: because they're point zero three percent on country radio and
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: we know how kind algorithms are, like we know it
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: and well.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: And then for Paul McCartney to even come out and
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: be like to also say, yeah, that's the version of Blackbird.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: You should be listening to. Well done, Beyonce, and to
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: remind us why he wrote the song. Yeah, because the
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: amount of people who grew up with this song who
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: are age appropriate to remember those days that didn't know
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: what the song was about or didn't want to know
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: or didn't want to know.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: And then and then to like because it is almost
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: like a dare to white people, like you're gonna talk
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: bad about the Beatles now because I did it. You're
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: gonna talk bad about the Beatles, like like this Beatles song,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I took your most beloved band that isn't even from
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: the US, but yet you claim it like they're like
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: it's our own. And then we get to sixteen carriages Iss.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: She reminded us by the way I'm underpaid and overwhelmed.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like, damn girl, me too, Damn girl, yes, yes, fiance, yes,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: no more whelmed?
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Do you ever stayed? Not if you're Beyonce.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: And I also love like when she talks, when she
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: sings about like leaving behind fears for the legacy. That
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: hit me in a way. And I think it's because
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: you know, you listen to sixteen carriages and then you
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: go right in to protector. And I was like, how
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: often have my mother, my aunts, my grandmother's, my great
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: aunts had to literally swallow something down to be like,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: don't worry our family lineage all good people, it's fine.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: All these men around us, they're fine, like it, and
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: you're safe and to build a family legacy, which then
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: brings me back to how angry I am at jay
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Z because I'm like, you have to do that every day.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I'm so mad. I tell Julia this all the time.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I go, I really to get over how mad I
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: am that she's still with jac I really do.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: But I think like she's very she's made him very
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: aware that she does not need him. You know, she
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: may she's probably still with him. I mean, I don't
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: know her marriage, but she's probably still with him because
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: she loves him, but she certainly does not need him.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, she's a billionaire in her own right.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes me always wonder like when when couples
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: get to a point of a specific type of wealth,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: especially because I don't know about New York. With the
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: state of California, for every ten years you're married, it
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: gets you just it's community property. We are a community
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: property state, no fault divorce. We might be the last
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: state in the Union at some point with no mal
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: divorce with the way things are going. But it also
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: makes you kind of wonder too, Like, say, think about
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: this for uh, some I have some family members have
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: been married for a long time, and it's like at
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: one point you're just like, just get a divorce, just
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: get a divorce. And then it's like, no, it's too
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: hard because the amount of assets we share, the properties
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: we share, the way that our income is entangled, even
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: though they have separate bank accounts, are still like income
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: entanglement because of like shared bills and all that stuff.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: And they're like, after twenty five years, it's not worth
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: it to try and divorce for that kind of like
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: because of this element, and I was like, holy shit,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: that sucks, Like you're not happy, like and at this point,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: they're not even pretending to be happy beyond seeing GZ.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I would assume like they do family things together, like
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: they bring Blue out and do stuff with her, Like
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: they're very family centric in their public persona. So it
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: to me it doesn't give off that I can't stand
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: him vibes, but I can understand they've been together for
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: so long that at this point, like monetarily, it probably doesn't.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: It would probably be a divorce that took years if
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: she did want to leave him.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Can someone help me out about Blue Ivy? Does Blue
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Ivy not have a twin brother? I thought that there
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: were twins.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: There are when they're younger. That's that was pregnancy number two. Yeah,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: thank you.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I was like, where the fuck is Blue Ivy's brother?
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Where are those two?
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: They are probably not ready to be like you know,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: they probably I mean, I'm assuming they had a family
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: conversation and like, hey, Blue, here's an opportunity. How how
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: are you feeling about it? You know what I mean? Like,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I don't think they would thrust their children into the
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: public eye without like that because they have because remember
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: how much speculation and just the way everyone was awful
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: to Beyonce it when she was pregnant with Blue. Like,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: I'm imagining that they are being very mindful and very
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: protective of their children when it comes to the public eye.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Right, And she and I think Blue even if she
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: is only twelve.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: She's only twelve, Holy fuck.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: But I mean, she's a lot more together than I
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: was at twelve. I was a fucking mess, you know.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: I would I certainly would not be able to do
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: any sort of routine that result that you know, uh
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: required any sort of coordination physically in a stadium, you know,
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: in front of you know, thousands and thousands of people.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I would Other twelve year olds are playing or dancing
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: in a school gymnasium in June to their parents and
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: all the other parents of the children that go to
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: their dance school, Like they're not doing the world.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: But I do like that she I feel like all
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: the vitriol and things that Blue has gotten since like
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: she was born, since she was a little baby. I mean,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: it doesn't surprise me that they want to protect the
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: younger too.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Because again, I live outside of time and it does
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: not matter to me, so like today, I was just
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: watching the halftime show.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: You know, she comes out for Texas hold them to
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: do the two step, and I was like, where the
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: fuck is your brother?
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: All of this because I thought the twins had come
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: first and then there was a single pregnancy.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: Are you thinking of like j Loo's twins?
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Maybe because.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: She well but I think, like I guess like she's blues,
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: like what like six or seven years older?
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Oh my god. I also didn't know it was that
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: big of an age gap.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting that all these games female singers have twins?
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Well did they use IVF? It's not it's none of business.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: I'm just curious.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, it could have been that. It could have been,
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: like I don't know if any of them have twins
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: family like that, but it could. It could be because
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know they're older mothers because them is only
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: like what like forty two, forty three, and so I
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: don't know.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: But well, Mariah definitely was because Mariah isn't maya sixty
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: wait fifty six?
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: Is she is?
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: She?
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's nineteen sixty eight eighty. I feel like our.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: Lesson doesn't eight, doesn't have an age she's fifty five.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Oh she did good? Okay, what still? But also so
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: is jloh because Jlo is also like a nineteen sixty eight,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty ninety.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: My best friend has to remind me that the only
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: reason why we were allowed to listen to Britney Spear, like,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: the only reason we live in a timeline where we
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: were twelve listening to Sometimes I run, sometimes I cry
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: by Britney Spears is because she was several years older
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: than us. She's like, she's not our peers, she's not
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: the same age as us. So whenever someone's like Mariah
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: is fifty five years old, I'm like, who let that happen?
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: That brings us to So a really fun track for
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: me personally, which is the protector track. I believe that
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: it is pertinent to this the theme of this podcast
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: because of the way that she's talking about.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Daughters and being a protector of her children.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: But it's not even that she's a protector of her children,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: but she's a projector of all of the things that
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: they'll become and that they get to shine through her,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: or when they start to shine, she will be the
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: first person.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: To be happy about that. And my note, because.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: I'm in such an emotional healthy place today is there's
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: something so undeniably woman in the song. And I think
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: it's mostly because I so don't get upset if you
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: don't feel this way. I realize that this is my illness.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think men are happy when we shine unless
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: it has something to do with them. They don't have
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: it in them to be a projector so, and that's
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: the theme of the podcast.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I think there is some validity in that because
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: how many relationships do we see fall apart when a
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: woman's career starts to take off and you know, a
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: man's segment. But conversely, there are couples that show us
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: that it doesn't have to be that way. The Woodhalls,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: the Paralympic medalist and his Olympic medalist wife. Like watching
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: them during the Olympic season this past summer was so
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: beautiful not to be like, not only it, I know
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: that we hate men here, but also don't hate men.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: That's not what I'm trying to do. I'm just saying.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like there are examples that men could
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: look to and learn from about how to be a
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: self assured male and confident in their own right and
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: still uplift their wives, and if they are, if there
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: is an insecurity happening, don't punish us. It's not my fault.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: And if you are feeling secure, let's have a conversation.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Lets me emotionally intelligent about it, because I don't want
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: to be murdered because you're having a hard day.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: And I think that's the underlying, the more nice point
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: to my point where I'm like, men just don't have
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: it in them.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: I think it's for men because of the way that
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: we have.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Cultured men and our patriarchal society. It's not a nature thing.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: It's a work thing. They have to work to be
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: projectors in our lives instead of just being projectors in
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: our lives. And I think with the way that women
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: have been socialized, it's always a mom or an aunt
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: or a sister who's screaming and clapping and stomping and
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: building someone else up with no thoughts of what that
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: means for them. My next controverst versal note about this song,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: and I like, I was like, don't even do it,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: but I said it pairs well with another soul song
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: of mine, which is the ten minute version of All
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Too Well by Taylor Swift because it is because she
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: has a line that says, who was she an ever
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: needy jewele? Who shine reflects on you? And it's set
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: dichotomy of like here's Beyonce calling women projectors, and here's
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Taylor reminding me that like when you shine, men are
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: only looking for how that reflects them, and they're always
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: going to be like, because I'm great because I raised you,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: great because I gave.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: You an opportunity.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Like when I got my theater job, the man who
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: I used to coach Drama Club theater went literally one
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: of the first things he said was, I.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Guess that's thanks to me, And I was like, I guess.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: It's like it's like those videos on TikTok breaking down
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: why men propose on women's big days, but we don't
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: see proposals on their big days. And now I can't
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: remember all of it, but I remember feeling like, yes,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: this feels absolutely accurate on why it happens on our
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: big days, and like there are times too when that
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: can go sour. And this is a fictional example, but
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: I do have a real life parallel to it, Like
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: in Gilmore Girls, when Logan proposes to ri at her
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: college graduation party, and she's like, I need time to
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: think about it. You've clearly thought about it. I need
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: time to think about it. And then on her actual
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: graduation day, she's like, I just I'm not ready. Let's
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: do a long distance He's like, no, it's all or nothing,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: and then like basically casts this shadow on something. Graduating
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: from the Ivyley College is not nothing, you know. I
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: had a similar experience where I it was my conferral
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: date and my boyfriend at the time was like, so, listen,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: we're literally four days out from my party. His parents
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: are coming to meet my parents for the very first time,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: and we're on the phone and he's like, so, I
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: just think this isn't going to work anymore. And it
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: was like a complete blind side. But also it was
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: my last day of school and I'd worked really hard
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: to get my undergraduate degree at the age of thirty,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: and it was just like, so now when I think
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: about my so the opposite right, like but still I
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: was like, I got Logan Hunsberger. But it was like
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: because a few days before we had this great and
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: wonderful weekend we were all excited about, you know, this thing,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: and then it was like, just kidding, you can't give
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: me what I want.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: We're done.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: And it was just like this is even a conversation,
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Like we can't even have a conversation about like what
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: the next step should be for all of us, And
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: and that just doesn't happen to men, Like I'm not
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: over here trying to propose to a guy on his
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: big day. You want a Grammy, let's get married, you
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Oh? Oh, there is an example
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: that guy who won the Oscar and proposed to his
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: girlfriend in his executive speech, But he wasn't like a
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: name that we would all know. It was like he
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: won the Oscar for producing a really good live show
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: for something literally the only example that I can think of,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: And if you don't watch award shows, you would never
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: have known that happened because it didn't get post show coverage.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: Right, And I'm assuming that as adults, they had a
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: conversation and I think they saw this is rooted in this,
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: like they had a conversation that they wanted to get married.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Like I don't.
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: I don't like and I mean, no one's proposing to
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: me at this point, but I don't like when it's
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: a huge surprise, and that could just be my my
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: need for control, Like I fear.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: It shouldn't be a proposal, shouldn't be surprised, to your point,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: So I think you're making that point. Go ahead, sorry, Elay, Yeah, it.
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: Shouldn't be a surprise. It shouldn't be It should be like, okay,
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: like we've started having this conversation and we're moving in
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: this direction, but it shouldn't be like a random time
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: where we just happen to be at dinner and you
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: decide that it's time for us to have this like
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: big life changing moment.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: But also I'm like maybe, and I think like people
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: have different preferences when they want like that big a news,
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: but for me, it's like being proposed to in front
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: of my family or a game would be my nightmare.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: Like I would rather be like have like a like
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: something that is thoughtful and meant for the two of us,
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: because at that point, all I can see is like
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: you're just showing off. You're showing me off, and you're
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: showing off this ring that you've paid, you know, kN
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: on Wood thousands and thousands of dollars.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: For hundreds of thousands of dollars.
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: So I yeah, I mean I think it's like interesting,
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: like going for Protector and in the Daughters, like it
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: is interesting to see like how your relationship with like
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: your dad and just men in general like affects the
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: affects the way that you love people and affects the
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: way that you are able to receive love from people.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: And I do think that as Blue Ivy grows kind
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: of in front of us, and the more that she
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: comes out and it is involved in the Renaissance tour,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: was involved in the halftime show. There's something that never
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: gives me the like nepo baby ick to it.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: Like remember when.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Poor Northwest was Simba in a live show of the
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Lion Kings and we all got the ick and then
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: we're like, don't make me have an ick over this child.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: She's a literal child. There's something that comes off about it,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: so maternal, so strong, so protective and so nurturing.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: And it's interesting that you bring up the Northwest of
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: it all because Blue and North kit compared all the
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: time unfairly, and I think a lot of it for me,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: the difference with you know, Blues nepotism versus North's nepotism
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: is Jay Z and Beyonce are very talented. Only Kanye
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: is talented. And I can't believe I'm saying that in
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: the year twenty twenty four, with all the bregious shit
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: he's done in the last eight years. Right, Yeah, we
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Kim is a very savvy businesswoman. Clearly you knew how
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: to utilize opportunities, which is a different kind of talent,
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: but it's not necessarily a creative arts talent. So so
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Blue is if Blue. If the Knowles Carter kids don't
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: come out talented, it's like a genetic anomaly in my opinion,
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: because there's no way that you couldn't be with your
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: parents being as talented as they are. But with North
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: in all the Kanye kids, like there's a chance you
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: could actually not be good at anything because like your
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: mom doesn't have any creative talent.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: Right, and like it's a different it's like entitlement versus
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: you know. And yeah, that too, right, Like I think
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: like with Beyonce and anybody like her, especially like jay Z.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, Jayz didn't come from money either. You know,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: they had to work really really hard to get what
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: they needed to do, you know, to get to where
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: they are. You know, I feel like you can picture
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: every single dollar that Beyonce and jay Z have earned
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: in their work and then like they've built wealth, you know,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: by investing and buying things and all that. Whereas with
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: Kim Kerdeeshi, she is a very savvy business woman. But
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: she's a savvy business woman that started with a loan
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: from her father, you know what I mean. Like she
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: it's just I mean, not that she's the same person
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: as Donald Trump, but they both were like people who
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: were like my I pulled myself up on my back
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: my bootstraps because my father gave me a million dollar loan,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: you know. And she had the store and she had
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: you know, and I mean unfortunately, even the sex tape
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: kind of came into view, and but she was able to,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: like I guess her mom was able to like flip
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: down its head and make it a money making venture,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: which I'm like, oh, I think the therapists are going
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: to be picking that apart forever. But with Northwest, it's
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: just like, Okay, we have access, go and do it.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: We don't know how, I mean, I'm assuming it is
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: impossible to me that she had any sort of rehearsal
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: time for they thrust.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Her out on that stage. You know, I don't even
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: know if she was like expecting it. Like it feels
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: like to me, they're.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: Like, Okay, we want to go see the Lion King
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: at the Hollywood bul Kids. We are in our price
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: it Bot.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: You know what, North, I think this is.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: A good time for you.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: Don't get on stage for to be hope is that soundtrack?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: And the difference too, in the parenting of it all,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: not that we should be judging people's parenting, but like
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier, jay Z and Beyonce are very mindful
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: and very aware of the public treatment of their children
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: and are careful about how they present their children and
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: when they present their children in public because they know
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: that there's going to be an unfair amount of scrutiny.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: And it just feels like Kim forgets that she has
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: black children until it's convenient to have black children, like
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: like throwing. They're just they've always been on the show.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: They've always been a storyline on the show. That just
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't feel like there's any protection for their kids. And
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: then and I understand now she is trying to to
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: an extent because all this shit that's going on with
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: Kanye like that's hard and scary at the same time.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: It's like the whole point of your job as a
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: mother if you feel like being drawn to being your mother,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: and that's what you want to do, is to ensure
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: that your children are protected and you are the protective right,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: and she.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: Wasn't protected herself, so she doesn't she does not do
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: it not to protect, right, you know, She's gotta like
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: figure out her own stuff, you know, especially like stuff
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: with her father and her mom kind of what I
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: could do, you know. And then also like having like
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: they have like four kids. I feel like there's like
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: a thousand kids, but children raising four kids and trying
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: to understand their father's bipolar you know, diagnosis, you know,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: and all that and growing up in like incredible wealth
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: that the normal normal person can even you know, yeah,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: And so it's I mean, her father is a part
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: of history forever, like you cannot talk about like the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: oj CAS is so defining in so many ways.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when your dad's being played by David Fisher, you're
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: not You're not able to be a normal person anymore.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, But bringing it back to daughter, where me too, Beyonce,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: I am also colder than Titanic water. I would have
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: frozen Leonardo DiCaprio if I had gotten the chance.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: I would I would have let him live.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: You would have let him live.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: So they can be like dumped on the boat afterwards.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: I mean they had just met. I mean, we don't.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: We don't have to dive into like a whole, a
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: whole different episode out with I say Jack Dawson.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't say Jack Dawson.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: I said specifically that I would let Leonardo DiCaprio, for
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: we all know how I feel about Leonardo DiCaprio.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: But I love Daughters. Daughters is my favorite of this
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: whole album.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: And when I was listening to I think it was
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: like busy, just you know, doing stuff around my apartment,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: and when it came on, I like, I was like
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: I gotta sit down, like like I had to sit
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: down and listen to it.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: And then I listened to it like three or four times.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: And even this morning when I was like preparing for
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: this and I was listening to it again, I had
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: to listen to it like three times back to back
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: because it's so beautiful and the emotions that it makes
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: you feel, it's like it's so rude, like Beyonce, Giselle
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: Noles Carter, so rude for you to like me think
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: about my own like, you know, capacity for anger and
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: rage and what I may have inherited from my dad
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: because a lot of it's like, yeah, I'm only as
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: bad as my dad if you fuck with me, you know,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: and like it makes you think, like what are like
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: what other like traumas and angers do you get from
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: just your parents as a unit, but from your dad specifically,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: how that like how that affects your relationship with men.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: For me, it's a little harder because my dad is
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: i mean, like eighty percent perfect, and so I was
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: very lucky to grow up with a dad like mine,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: and I didn't appreciate it until now because before speaking
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: of projection projection, my dad was always like, you are
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: meant for better, You're gonna do this, blah blah blah blah.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: And I always felt overwhelmed by that because I have
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: my own like perfectionism, and so it's already hard enough
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: to live up to the image I have for myself,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: but like to the face that my dad has in me.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: When I started writing for TV, like my dad and
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: I always think the emotional has been like, Okay, this
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: is what we're doing, let's think bigger or let's like
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: and he would like research and ask questions and things
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: like that. He saw an interview with Lisa Kudrou and
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: I posted it on my stories, like last week well
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: interviewed Lisa Kudro and asked me called me immediately, was like,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: why didn't you go to the ground wings.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: And why not?
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, you have no idea
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: and you will never have any idea. Just how much
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: money I spent on improv classes alone. But like that
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: touched me because my dad believes in me so hard,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: almost to a fault, and like and as I've gotten older,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: I realized that my dad and I are very very
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: similar and that's why we used to But my dad
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: is a cancer and if you want to, we want
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: to talk to astronomy for a minute, and has cancer.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: I have a cancer moon. I feel like that's where
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: we like like I have to do it a certain
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: way and he has to do it a certain way.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: But that's also a counselor, and so it's like I
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: don't know, like that that that song just brought up
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: so much like deep seated emotions about my relationship with
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: my father.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: Which one's older, Beyonce or Solange.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Beyonce exactly the eldest daughter.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: This stupid song is.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: The anthem of eldest daughters everywhere. I literally wrote down, Well,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: I'll Renthia, We'll get into this when we do our
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: future episode about the trauma of being eldest daughters.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, which is fair because I am the youngest daughter.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: So it's a very different.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: It's a very different trauma.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: It's a very differentma trauma, and there's a very different
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: experience with daughters for me because you know, I always
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: felt like I was the let's see, we had a
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: third I guess we'll keep it.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: I also like, at this point, I'm just ready to
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: say it out loud. Being a daughter is traumatic, Like
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: there's no way to get out of being a daughter
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: in the way that we are currently socialized, in our
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: political climate, in you know, the ways that women have
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: made it real far but not far enough. Being a
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: daughter is traumatic.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: You have all of this bullshit of.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe living up to the life that your mom wanted
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: but couldn't reach for, and then you have all of
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: this dad bullshit coupled with it.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: And society and all of it.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Like eldest daughter or youngest daughter, middle daughter, it's all traumatic.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: And like when it comes to and again, we'll talk
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: The thing that got me during the Daughter song was
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: this like dichotomy that you live with that there are
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of instances when you were a daughter where
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: the only way that you're respected or heard or cared
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: for is when you're playing damsel. But then when you're
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: the eldest daughter, there are less opportunities for you to
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: play damsel because you're the strength and the backbone and
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: the third parent and all of it.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: So it's that whole idea of.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not good at playing damsel. I am famously.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: Bad at it.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: So our future eldest daughter episode will be filled with
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: all of the times that my family has accidentally hurt
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: my feelings because they're like, well, you've got it covered.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: We've never worried about you once. Kids, it's like, well
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: this is why I'm cold as fuck.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Oh just being.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: An I mean, I feel like I'm learning more about
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: myself as a daughter this you know, these days. But
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: also I mean, you know, at the root and the
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: song Daughters, I mean the root is still about heartbreak
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: and someone doing you wrong and female rage and anger
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: and how we express that, and like, you know, I
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: understand what she's like. I can only show this rage
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: if I, you know, summon my father, because God help you.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: Of a woman just a you're an adult, rage in
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: her spirit. It has to be kind of connected to
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: something that they learn, you know, from a man. But
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: but it's so Gothic, you know, the Gothic storytelling of it.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: And I'm looking at my notes I wrote down like
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: it reminded me a lot of like.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Nick Caves, PJ.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: Harvey and even the Italian lyrics. This is a whole
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: areeta in the middle of this.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: Song when when I tell you, when she started and
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: I was literally doing dishous, I was like, I have
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: to stop, and I can't hold anything because like I
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: don't want to drop something like what is happening beyond it?
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: What be doing right now?
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: This is like mine blowingly insanely don't wish.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's when I sat down too, was when I
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: heard the areata and like it's called Caromeo bin and
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: it basically means without you, my heart languishes. Have you
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: ever heard anythings so beautiful and tragic is just like
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: and like I remember, like right, you know, right after
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: the album came out, especially on TikTok, there were tiktoks
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: of like Italians and Italian opera singers specifically listening to
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: that and seeing like y'all. I'm sure they didn't say y'all,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: but y'all don't understand how hard it is to sing
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: that specific piece and it's meant to break your heart,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: you know, like I can, I can picture it now.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, oh my god, I'm gonna sob later
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: because how many times have we like had our heart
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: broken and you feel like you're like fucking Ophelia, you.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Know, or oh, feel so sorry for herself. I don't
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: know why, Like do you guys remember gay best Friend,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: one of the first YouTube accounts, Oh feel so sorry
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: for yourself? Get yourself out of the water.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: I think now we're having this conversation about a daughter.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: I had said to a friend recently, it's like, I
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: actually don't think I'm done having kids, Like I think
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: there's another one coming. I don't know how if it's
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: coming out of my body or if I'm just like
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: being handed an infant in some way, but like, I
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: feel like there's another kid coming away. I feel like
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: it's a girl, and I'm wondering if it's rooted in
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: the fact that I wanted daughters. Is what kind of
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: unearthed this feeling of like I don't think I'm done
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: having kids. Think I think I was a mom of
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: a boy and now it's time to be a mom
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: of a girl because I've done so much of my
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: own work in my relationship and there's a lot of
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: things that I've recent that in the last few years
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: that I was just like, these are if I have
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: a good chance, or maybe it's just me wishful thinking,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: being like if I have a chance, I'm breaking these
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: pro says, I'm breaking this generational bullshit. But it definitely
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: like the other day, like I fully I had a dreamer.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh I have baby. Weird.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: There's always like the dream interpretation of that which my
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: mom my mom and purpose dreams. But you know, it's
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: like a big transition is coming and it could be
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: and it could be not. But I feel like I
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: had like the same kind of thought with like daughters
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: and Protector in PANDAM were just kind of reminding me
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: and this is something that I've been like, you know,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: we need like a stinger at that says like vulnerable moment.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Move the bars gold stars that say vulnerable moments. Like
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: every time a Capricorn cries, you're like, good job, you did.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: It, you felt, or call it Capricorn vulnerable moment because
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: you have to pull our teeth to make us have one.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: And I for me, it just made me think, like
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: one of.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: The things I'm struggling with right now, and I'm very
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: good about saying this without any kind of emotion, thank
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: you Capricorn, is that I've been dealing with the fact
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: that I am at the point in my life where
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: it's probably too late to have my own babies, right
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: Like I've always wanted to like either have baby their
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: adopt them. But I think it came from because I
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: was a big Josephine Baker fan and she because she
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: adopted like ten kids. But I've always like wanted like
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: five kids, you know, but I never found, you know, well,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: someone to make them with and someone to stay with,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: you know. So now that I'm like turning forty six
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: and recently experiencing hot flashes and I know had a call,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: I guess friend of the podcast and lead to be
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: like what was this?
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: And she she knows she will help you square like
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: because of her, I'm not anywhere near. I don't think
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: I'm in perimenopause. I'm being honest with you. And she
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: already is like, here are the things when you're when
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: it's time, and it's like, thank you, babe. Yeah.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: And so you think about that, like you when that
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: starts to happen, Like you think about what would have
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: been and what could have been and what just didn't happen,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: not by you know, I don't think it was any fault.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: It was just like it just didn't fair. No, And
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: so I think one of the things that I am
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: sorry of making way off track.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: Here, but the of the podcast, but I.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: Think like the patron saint of single child women, Tracy
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: Ellos Ross said that, you know, she did say it's
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: like she wanted to be a mother, but like the window.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: Of desire has passed.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: I think it's the same for me, Like I know
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to have any any kids, you know, biologically,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: but also like that opportunity is going quickly quickly passed.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: And I didn't really I started like kind of mourning
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: that also because someone named their baby after me, and
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: I was like, that's right, I will never have that
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: name myself, you know, Like I always thought about, like
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: when I had a daughter, I would name her after myself,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: Like I'm named after my mom, you know. So I
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: don't know like daughters really just like puts with the
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: band Eve six, It puts my heart in the blender.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that daughter so fucks me up. And now
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: I want to listen to it.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: I want to do like a side by side of
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: daddy lessons and daughters.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: You know what. I don't know if this is on
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: your list, but you know what song like, I have
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: several favorites on the album, but the one that I'm
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: always like, this is my anthem for when I have
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: to deal with a specific type of white person.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Oh alligator tears, you literally have we knew that was
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: coming after Alligator Tears? My note is is this about
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: jay Z or the System? Is it about white America?
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: Interesting?
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: I like that because for me, my first thought it
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: was about like the pain of unrequited love.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, this is very romantic.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like the line you see move a mountain
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: and all throw all my boobs. You say stop the
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: river from running, I'll build a damn or two. You
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: say change religions, and I spend every Sunday with you.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: Like those three lines hit me in a way where
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I've been that girl who's tried to
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: assimilate because I had to survive and I still got fucked. Yeah.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And she says like, I adore your alligator tears,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: please every bit of love for me. And it's like,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: you know this person, this man doesn't love you the
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: way you love him, and he's giving you these alligated
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: tears to keep you around the bread crumb.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: You and I just watch the Holiday, so this is
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: fresh in my mind.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: But you're just like I have to I need this,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: I need this around you know.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's why this song is so brilliant because it
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: could be about love. It could be about existing in
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: a white world. It could be about relationships like friendships.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: It could be about you know her, the CMA fucking
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: ignoring her and her talent, or like the Grammy board
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: like you don't need to have an album mirror, it's fine, or.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: The cmas being like, who's Beyonce right right?
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: It literally it works for so many things it does, and.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: The use of alligator tears because.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: Like it's it's always something that's thrown at women, like
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: what's going on with your alligator tears? Like get it together?
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: You you dramatic and to like flip it and just
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: be like, how about all the times I've forgiven you
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: for Becky with the good hair because you showed up
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: with your alligator tears?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It also minded the Frank Ocean song and religion,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: where he said on recredited love is just the one
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: man cult.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, and just even like the music, the
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: beat of alligator tears is a good like I don't
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to describe it. I just want
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: my shoulder.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: Like and it does feel like.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: I love you, but this is my revenge song against
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: you too. It's like, because there's nothing better than knowing
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: their game and I and I feel like once you
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: start telling them that their game is stupid and it
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: doesn't actually trick us the way that they think it
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: tricks us, that's when they're the most mad. Apparently, what
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: do you mean you're onto my Yeah? No, I tolerate
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: this whole horse and pony show that we do every
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: time you run around, or every time you deplete our
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: bank accounts without me knowing, or every time like anything
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: happens and you show up crying and laying up my
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: feet and my doorstep and whatever, and I'm like, okay,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: one more round and like.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: Tired and it hurts, yeah, you know, because you can't
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: just stop. No, you have to stop. But you can't
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: if you're loving somebody, whether it's good or bad, like
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: you can't.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: It's just like it's not a controllable force.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: Sometimes, yeah, I so you so thank god she knows
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: how to write a song.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: I don't actually write this one, but she.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: Knows how to write a song or put it into
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: music or have that.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: Thought of you know.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to look for like looking at the credits,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: there's like five songwriters on this. But yeah, it's just
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: I don't required love is like I guess, like one
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: of my favorite Like I want to say it's my
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: favorite emotion.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: But I think I like it.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: It's like my favorite kind of song inspiration. Like my
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: favorite print song is The Beautiful Ones, and it's all
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: about unrequited love for Apolonia, you know, And he basically
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: like screams at the end do you want me?
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: Because I want you?
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: You know, so it just it makes us like beautiful,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: beautifully tragic music Underques, but it could be you could also,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: you know, directed towards white people too, if you wanted to.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: Julia and I have an entire episode that came out
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: before this episode but hasn't come out yet because we're
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: still on Christmas Break about Glinda the Good and how
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: she just couldn't fucking do it no, And I think
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: Laba will live with that unrequited love forever.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: Right, and that disappointment, Like you always meet somebody and
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: you're like, oh, this person is gonna be great, and
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: it doesn't. They don't always let you down, but they can,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: and it's always in like a crucial moment where you
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: need them the most. Like I lost a friend, one
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: of my best friends. She was white or she is
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: still white, and broke up with me because I made
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: it in screenwriting and she didn't. And I feel like
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: it was like I think that's where I like looked
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: at with the Golinda Alphabe situation, where it's like Alphaba's like.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: Good at sorcery.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, did she just have Peloconos Sorcery? And
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: then like Glinda was just not you don't notice she's
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: not right at that point, Like I just notice she's
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: she could naturally make things.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: Rise with her mind.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: You didn't have telegs. Yeah, yeah, I love Alligator Tears.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: And then it leads into my other favorite song, Most Wanted,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: and I cried.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: I love that song, and I love the choice to
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: have the other vocalist be Miley Cyrus. You could easy,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: it could easily have been between two a man and
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: a woman. But to choose Mile SIUs so good, so good?
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: It is actually probably so My top three are Algator,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: she was most too, Most Wanted, and Levi Jeans like
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: those are on my twenty twenty four Vibe playlist and
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: they just like I.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: So here's the thing. The industry and Billy Ray Cyris
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: robbed me of the career that Miley Cyrus deserved. I
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: think she's taking it back, though he's taking it back. Okay,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: I flowers as a banner. That's brun o mars I'll come.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: I just learned that news live on a recording. And
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: then that song I Used to Be Young breaks my heart.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: Every crazy I say I used to be Young breaks
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: my heart. But I didn't know that Miley Cyrus was
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: coming up on this fucking album. And I was in
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: the car the first time and I literally heard her
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: voice and I burst into tears because like the immense
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: talent that both Beyonce and Miley Cyrus have and the
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: fact that like, and I say this all the time
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: about like Anna Faris funny movies. It's like, I deserve
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: more Anna Farist comedy and I'm never gonna get it
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: because of fucking Chris Pratt in the industry. And then
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: it's like I deserve so much out of Miley Cyrus
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: and she deserves to give it to me, and the
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: fucking industry and the fucking traumatic, narcissistic father that she
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: has robbed me, And and my mom was like, my
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: mom was being shitty to me one day and she
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: was like, not even Dolly Parton could save her. And
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: I was like, correct, that's that's the theme of the podcast.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: You'd think if your fucking godmother was Dolly Parton, you'd
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: get a little reprieve.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: But also it's not Dolly Parton's responsibility.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: Now Also that.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, you could ansume my grandma she was my godmother,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: I would be everything.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: Both Dolly Parton's goddaughters went through shit because her other
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: one is us.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Shah oh I didn't realize Kasha was her other one.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: Ksha's mom used to write psalms with Dolly Parton.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't realize that she was like a
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: Nepo person.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: Ksha.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I ain't either.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: I would just like to say that twenty twenty four
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: was the year that I fell in love with post Malone,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: against all odds of.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: All you know, you know what? Post Malone is an
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: interesting conversation because he is now falling under the umbrella,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: and I don't know if you're finding this in the
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: corners of your internet, Alarnthia, where he has been. People
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: are analyzing his career as, oh, so you adopted black
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: culture to get famous and now your country, which I
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: think is an interesting conversation because, as we mentioned earlier
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: in the episode, people make country. People may but so like,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know him as a country. I don't know
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: his country, miss, so, I don't know what about his
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: current phase suggests that he's the kind of country that
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: is like potentially white only.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: I listened to his country album and I really liked it.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: Well, I think like white men are able to pivot easier, easier.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I feel like he did take the Elvis route,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: but like, to be honest, so did Miley It once.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: Honestly, Yeah, Ariana Grande.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: Anyways, I googled today because my sister tried to tell
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: me that post Ballone was a mean man, and so
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: I googled today post Malone bad nothing, and I would like.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: My brother tells me, I have a relative that tells
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: me he's Maga coated, and I'm just like, I don't know.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: I just don't know.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: I can see like the not him specifically, but the.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: Men to be that yeah, yeah, but my jeans is
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: it is it? That's not that's not it's hot. That's
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: so hot. That song is so hot that if I
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: ever get married, that's is on an at my wedding,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: if I have a wedding.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: When it was a halftime show and I saw this
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: truck built out of Levi's jeans.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: And I was like, ooh, is Posty in that truck?
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: And then he was.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: Can we also talk about how fucking brilliant it was
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: to be like, all right, I see you everybody who
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: doesn't think I should be doing a country album and
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: I raise you a brand deal with Levi's starring Bob
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: Dylan's grandson. Yeah, how do you like that? How do
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: you like them apples? Bitch?
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: And we'll put out whiskey. You know what, I'm gonna
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: pick all of your things.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, like brilliant, Like you covered a Beatles song way
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: better than the Beatles. Ever. Could you took the other
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: white man's grandson, the other white man that everyone is over,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: exc's for the bulgarity white man grandson and put him
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: in your commercial? Oh she's really perfect.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: No, No is post Malone Bob Delan's grandson.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: No in the commercials that she does with Evis.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: I was so confused, like for.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: A moment because I know we're wrapping up soon, We're
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: wrapping Uh. Have you guys have seen Bob Dylan love?
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, I did. He came to Stockton, which is kind
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: of wild.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: Like people, this is another thing, like you know, white
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: male community.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: You just have to deal with this. Bob Dylan is
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: terrible lesson. Yes, recap of that was like I would
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: have liked to have seen him forty years ago because
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: we saw him. Okay, so my child is okay two
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: thousand and six, So two thousand and six, I said
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: I would have liked to have seen him forty years ago.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I'm like, I would have been.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Nineteen sixty six, right if I did.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: I think I saw him on like two thousand and two.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: It was around I was about the graduate from college
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: and he went like right after the Black Crose and
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: I it's like, this is it. This is what you
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: guys are, just like circle triping yourselves up.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: And that's me.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: No truly, no truly. And Bob Dylan is another one
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: where the covers are better.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: The only Bob Dylan song I like is Girl from
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: North Country, but I think because it also has is
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: Johnny Cash on that one.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: Has a cover. Yeah, Johnny Cash does a cover of it. Yeah.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: I love.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: The movie. I don't even care.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: I want to see the movie either. I've never been
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: a Bob Dylan fan.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why he gets to mumbling a it's
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: like and it's completely different, so don't even come for me.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: But it's like when Bob was real popular and I
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: was like, anyone can make noise into a microphone, Hansen, you.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: Know what it is for me with Bob Dylan. I
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: think because I was exposed to the lyrics and the
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: poetry before I was exposed.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: To the music the mumbling.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: So reading his lyrics in a collected works of Bob
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: Dylan versus hearing him seeing them changes. I think it changed.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: I think it really did. Because you're reading these lines,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: you just like, Wow, this is fucking beautiful. But then
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: you hear them sing and you're like, no, but why
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: does it sound like that?
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: We just does sound like that? Any last final thoughts
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  Speaker 1: before we go into lessons and manifestations.
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  Speaker 4: That's all.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not sad.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: What did we learn from Cowboy Carter and dissecting it
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: in our notes?
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  Speaker 4: Don't underestimate artists, estimate female artists, don't underreest meate black
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  Speaker 4: female artists. Make the stuff, Make the stuff that you want.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: Make your own.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: Concept albums. Concept albums, I feel like, are the best
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: albums because they tell a cohesive story and you know,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: don't let a man tell you that you can't do
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: something or try to do it their way or whatever.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: Like one of the things that Beyonce said, I haven't
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: seen a movie, but in movie she was like, men
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: were like actively doubting her. She's like, I know what
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about stand up for yourself, even if it
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: makes you sound like you're like the Dragon Lady or something,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: because you have your vision, stick your vision and do
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: what you need to do.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with all of the r
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: and said, and I will add it filled this void
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: that like I said, it filled this void that I
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: knew was there and didn't know how to fill. And
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: it provided a vehicle for me to be able to
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: do the healing I needed to do in that void.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: And I feel like the way and I love the
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: reminder of we're here. You can't do shit about it. Yeah, sorry,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: you can ignore it, you can love it, but we're
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: here no matter fucking what.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: My lesson is actually one of Michaels for twenty twenty five,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: and it's that I'm going to stop streaming the music
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: of white Men except for maybe post Malone. Full stop,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: just full stop and here and Alronthia does this have
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: something to do with the allegations against Garth Brooks?
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: And I was like, if I can't trust him.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: The girl he's in November, right, he's a great pist.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: No, not the singer of the dare the singer.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: Of the dance aretia I screenshot it to my sister,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: and is said, the day we've always figured us here,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: the day we've always we used to have an interpretive
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: dance to the river. A dream is like a river.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: But no longer come out like I'm disappointed. I'm angry at,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: you know, the person who was victimized, but I'm always
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: like disappointed.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: Come on, man, no, I can't be disappointed anymore.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: He's gonna be like charged or we don't know, all.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: Right, I was just allegations.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well I heard that the woman who's speaking out
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: like the details have been changing a lot, not to
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: say it didn't happen, but it's like I guess she's
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: she's thinking like events that happened when she was assaulted
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: didn't happen at that time. They happened like either like
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: several months before or several months after, and so it's
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: like that kind of murky stuff. But that doesn't mean
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: it didn't happen, and that doesn't mean that he did it.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: Something happened to her, we just don't know who it is.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: This is, This is why I'm never gonna get justice
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: for anything, because I too can't keep track of time.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: You gotta write everything down and you gotta date it,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: you know, and she was Yeah. So anyways, while I
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: was re listening to Cowboy Carter today, I was like,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: you know that joke that I keep saying, like, I'm
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: not streaming any white men on my Spotify in twenty
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: twenty five because if I can't trust Garth Brooks, I
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: can't trust any of them.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm doing it. I am making a diligent
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: effort to change.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know Tricia right in, I'll I'll stream Tricia.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: How was she? How was she dealing with this? I
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: need to know, Sketchy like it's faith, Okay.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: Faith, Tom, I'm done. You know, I'm always concerned about
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: the wives.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: When jay Z went down with the Diddy ship, yeah,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: I told you he's something stupid about that. Because I've
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: been writing a lot, I thought, for whatever reason, that
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: the Ditty case would follow Movieline pacing, and I thought
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: that they would do a little bit more lead.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: Up to jay Z. So then when jay Z happened, I.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: Went, wow, that was quick exposition. I thought there would
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: be more exposition. I thought that there would be like
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: some smaller names thrown out.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: You're a screenwriter, for sure.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: And when the movie version comes out. That is how
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: they will give it to us. I know those of
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: us who lived through it will be texting, wait a minute,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: I don't remember it happening that way is that's how
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: that happened, and.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: You'll have to tell everyone That's how Nanmley thought it happened.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: That's Hownmley thought it happened.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: That was Andy during the final season of The Crown Rule.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: She was like, I don't remember it happening in this way.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: It is like because it didn't.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: I literally thought that jay Z would be the last
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: one they gave us and be like and finally jay.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: Z wo.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: Go back to Chris Stephen's memoir. Yeah, all those dudes
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 4: are in it.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: All those dudes are in it.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: So so anyways, Julia knows that I've been worried about
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: it Beyonce forever because I'm for a while, I'm like,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: she's fucking gonna go down with the ship because they
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: always do, Like it always.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: Turns back to because what was it?
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: I think it was so stupid people in VANDR Pump
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: Rules and someone had to be like she had to
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: have known something.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, but I mean, like.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: What's the girl's name again, Arianna, not the who's the one.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: Ariana was the one that got.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: Cheated on it.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: But I'm talking about Laala.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: More ability to know because what is she like? She's
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: a server? Right.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing too, I'm mostly in North Hollywood.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: Of course you're gonna see more cheating.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: But Lala on vander Pump Rules, her ex husband Randall
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: was running a casting couch and people had to be like,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: she had to have known something, and it's like, okay,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: all right, we love Do.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: You remember what I told you when I found out
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: I had friends that we were doing drugs. I had
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: no idea, but we were all at the same parties exactly.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: Like if people don't want you to know, they will
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: make sure you don't know exactly. That's what I think.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 4: It's what's going to come out about the Didty parties
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: is that you know, parties always have like certain tears,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: right the people that come early, there's the people that
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: you know are supposed to be there, and there's like
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: that core group that stays behind. So Martha Stewart is
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: going to a Didty party, probably I'm going to the party.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: I'm assuming he's not there so late, like I feel
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: like and if you allow me a name drop for
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: just a second. Sure, I was an Amy party and
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: I was talking about as ridiculous and he and it's like, Meredith,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: He's were you sneakers by the way with her dress?
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: He was like, we're just here to circlate, get a
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: glass of champagne, and we're going to go back home
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 4: to our daughter.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: And I'm I was like, I respect that.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: So Noah Khan, don't know him. That guy that's mean,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: that guy who's mean, but he writes the real sad
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: folk songs. The new white guy. His name is like
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: Zach Bryan or something. Don't know him. I don't know him.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: Why because in the year of Garth Brooks allegations and
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: the Diddy tapes, honestly, I might not stream men.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: Except for Diddy, except for not Diddy. God damn it,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: I might not stream men.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: This moment where he's like I did here.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: Stream and Michael Jackson because I'm tired. Because you know what,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: I'm tired. I'm tired. It was hard enough when I
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: could no longer believe I could fly.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: It was hard.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: Enough when I yeah, it was hard enough when I
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: could no longer Bump and Grind to remix to Ignition.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: Now I got to give up the river. Now I
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: got to give up the dance. Now I might have
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: to give up Tricia Yearwood if she gets real weird
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: about this. So no more men on my Spotify. They
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: were all but eradicated.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I may keep the dance.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: It's fine because you know what, when the remix to
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: Ignition shows up on my shuffle, I pretend that I
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: don't see the green check mark. That means that it's
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: still in my life Sawce.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh no, how did this happen on accident?
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: But it's fine because R Kelly's royalties are now going
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: straight to the victims.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: I've heard somebody verify, somebody verify.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: So now it's feminism to listen to R Kelly, is
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So anyways, my manifestation is that I
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: stop learning things about male artists or that they leave
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: me alone.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: We need alone.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: And my manifestation for all the future things is that
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: if you don't want Beyonce to make a country album,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: why don't you just keep that to yourself. You didn't
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: have to tell me I wasn't gonna make you listen
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: to anything, Yeah, just ignore it.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: Just very exciting.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: And my manifestation is that Number one, I need to
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: be better about listening to albums all the way through.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna start with like that new Billie Eilish
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: album that's really good and the Charlie Xi album that's
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: really good. And this is a album that want to
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: botch of awards, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna listen
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: to albums all the way through. That is my manifestation.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: What are yours?
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: My manifestation is to be more unhinged.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so nothing at all to do with country
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: music or fiances.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: No, it is, but it is though because because I'm
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: the friend that's so obnoxious. Like we went to think
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: over the during the holiday season and it was called
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: the Nutcracker and jazz. It was all jazz music, and
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: my friend asked me, how was it and I said
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: that was a lot of white people dancing with jazz music.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: So like like unhinged in the way where it's like
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: I'm going to remind you that what we just experienced
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: was too white for what the origins are.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you for Lenosto that you went and saw
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: La la Land the sequel, and.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: Then then they have a black dancer. Well the lighting
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: was so bad that it wasn't obvious, like they did
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: not light him.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: Well then, anyway, you gotta go see the Hip Hop
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: KNT Nutcracker because I think that it's I've heard it's
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: very good.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: But the Chocolate Nutcracker with Debbie Allen.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, w Allen's yeah, anything with Wie Allen.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, what's your manifestation?
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 4: So is this something I'm like inspired.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: You're hoping for the future.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: Uh so, my and I think it's the same, using
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: Beyonce and my beloved Prince as like just models of
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: leaning into your creativity, thinking to your creative vision, even
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: if you have the tractive from it. I'm heading, I'm
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: leading myself into the process of creating a new movie
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: that does like heavily feature female rage and inspired by
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: are trying to find books on this person and I
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: haven't been able to. Uh, Julia Tofana made Aquafana, which
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: is a poison that she would sell to wives who
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 4: would dispatch their husbands, and so I want to like
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: tell that story, and so leaning into like Beyonce is
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: like Daughters is a song that I can picture scoring
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: this movie. It's going to be something, so it's very exciting.
• 1:45:10
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• 1:45:15
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