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- Lucas: A lot of turnaround stories focus on a CEO walking into a burning building. But what about the CEO who built the building, left, and came back to find it on fire? Luna: That is a very specific kind of challenge. Who are we talking about? Lucas: A.G. Lafley at Procter & Gamble. He was CEO from 2000 to 2010, transformed P&G into a global consumer powerhouse, then handed the reins to Bob McDonald. By 2013, P&G was struggling — market share slipping, organic growth stalling, too many brands. The board asked Lafley to return. Luna: And he agreed. Which is interesting because most former CEOs don't want to revisit their legacy. Lucas: Right. Lafley has said he felt a sense of responsibility. But he also saw that the company had drifted from the core principles that made it successful. So when he came back in May 2013, he didn't launch a flashy transformation. He did something more surgical. Luna: What was his first move? Lucas: He announced that P&G would divest or discontinue about half of its brand portfolio. At the time, P&G had over 160 brands. Lafley cut that down to around 70 to 80 core brands. The rationale was simple: the top 80 brands generated 90% of the company's sales and more than 95% of its profit. The rest were a distraction. Luna: That is a massive pruning. How did he choose which brands stayed? Lucas: He used a framework he developed called 'where to play and how to win'. For each brand, the leadership team had to answer: is this category attractive long-term, and can P&G win in it sustainably? If the answer wasn't a clear yes, the brand was a candidate for exit. Luna: So it wasn't just about cutting costs. It was about strategic clarity. Lucas: Exactly. For example, they kept Tide, Pampers, Gillette, Pantene — categories where P&G had strong market positions and innovation pipelines. They sold off brands like Duracell, which went to Berkshire Hathaway in 2014. They also exited some food and pet care businesses. Luna: Did that create a lot of turmoil inside the company? Lucas: It did, especially among brand managers who had spent years building those products. But Lafley was deliberate about the human side. He held town halls, explained the logic repeatedly. He also made sure that the retained brands got more resources — more R&D dollars, better marketing support. Luna: So the idea was concentration, not just reduction. Lucas: Right. And it paid off. By 2015, P&G's organic sales growth was back above 3% after years of stagnation. The stock price went from around $75 when he returned to over $100 by the time he stepped down in 2015. That's roughly a $70 billion increase in market cap in two years. Luna: That's a remarkable number. But I've heard some people say Lafley gets too much credit — that the turnaround was mostly cosmetic and the real issues came back later. Lucas: That's a fair critique. P&G did face headwinds again after he left, especially from upstart brands in areas like razors and diapers. But I think the lesson is less about permanent transformation and more about the value of strategic focus. Lafley didn't claim to have a magic formula. He just reasserted discipline. Luna: One thing I find compelling is how he led. He wasn't a charismatic, Steve Jobs-type figure. He was known as quiet, analytical, even a bit introverted. Lucas: Yes, and that's a big part of his leadership philosophy. He believed the CEO's job is not to have all the answers but to ask the right questions. He would spend hours in stores watching shoppers, talking to consumers. He grounded decisions in data, not ego. Luna: There's a famous story about him visiting a Walmart and noticing that P&G's packaging was confusing. He came back and redesigned the whole display system. Lucas: That's right. He had a deep respect for the consumer. He often said 'the consumer is boss'. And he embedded that into P&G's innovation process. For instance, when they developed the Swiffer, they didn't start with a technology. They started by watching how people cleaned their floors and saw a need for a disposable dusting cloth. Luna: So the turnaround wasn't just about cutting brands. It was about refocusing on the consumer. Lucas: Exactly. And that's the part of his second tenure that I think is most instructive. He could have come in and announced a big restructuring, but instead he went back to fundamentals: understand the customer, simplify the portfolio, and invest where you have a right to win. Luna: It strikes me that this approach required a lot of confidence. Most CEOs want to make a big splash. Lucas: It does. And Lafley had the advantage of having already been successful. He didn't need to prove himself. That gave him the latitude to be methodical. But I think the lesson applies even for first-time CEOs: you don't have to be loud to be effective. Luna: Let me ask about a specific decision. He cut P&G's innovation projects by about 30% as well, right? Lucas: Yes. That was another counterintuitive move. He argued that too many small projects were diluting focus. He wanted fewer, bigger innovations — what he called 'big bets'. For example, they doubled down on the Tide Pods format, which became a blockbuster. Luna: So he was essentially applying the same portfolio logic to R&D. Lucas: Precisely. And it worked. Tide Pods went from a niche product to a multi billion dollar franchise. That came from concentrating resources on a single, well-researched idea rather than spreading them thin across dozens of minor line extensions. Luna: I'm curious how he managed the board during this period. They had asked him to come back — did they give him free rein? Lucas: Mostly, yes. But Lafley was also transparent. He provided regular updates on the portfolio review process, showed the data. He built a consensus. I think that's another lesson: even a returning CEO needs to earn trust again. He didn't assume they'd just rubber-stamp his plans. Luna: He wrote a book about this, didn't he? 'Playing to Win'. Lucas: Yes, co-authored with Roger Martin. It's one of the best strategy books I've read. They lay out the 'where to play, how to win' framework in detail. And Lafley's own story is a case study in applying it under pressure. Luna: If our listeners want to dig deeper into that framework, the book is a great starting point. Lucas: For sure. So to bring it all together: Lafley's second act at P&G shows that a turnaround doesn't always require a revolution. Sometimes it requires going back to first principles — and having the discipline to say no more often than you say yes. Luna: And that's a lesson that applies well beyond consumer goods. Lucas: If these conversations have moved your work forward in some small way, listener support is what keeps this show ad-free. Luna: It's a small gesture that makes a real difference for us. Lucas: If you're inclined, you can find us at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Luna: And we're back to the topic. One final thought: Lafley stepped down again in 2015, handing over to David Taylor. He didn't try to stay too long. Lucas: That's a good point. He knew his role was to reset the trajectory, not to run the company forever. That kind of self-awareness is rare. And it's probably why his second act is remembered as a success, even if some of the gains later eroded. Luna: Maybe the ultimate CEO skill is knowing when to leave. Lucas: Maybe so. Thanks for listening.