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The Subconscious Problem You Already Know How to Solve (With Matt Dickson) · The Hypnotist

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  Welcome to The Hypnotist, the show that gives you inside
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  access to cutting edge hypnosis with real clients facing
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  genuine. Issues.
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  Brought to you by The Hypnotherapist, demanded by
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  celebrities, CEOs and even royalty, Adam Cox.
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  These recordings took place live from Adam's clinic in London's
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  world famous Harley Street. So get yourself comfortable and
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  enjoy today's episode of The Hypnotist.
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  Hi, it's Adam here. And every now and then I invite
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  a guest hypnotist to come on the show, talk about their past, you
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  know, what they do best and how they can kind of add value to
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  the world. We call hypnotherapy, and it's
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  lovely to have a very special guest called Matt Dixon as a
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  very special hypnotherapist. On today's episode, Matt's going
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  to be telling us about how his background in car sales and yoga
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  and personal training kind of fused to have a very, very
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  unique, considerate, compassionate and thoughtful
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  approach to hypnotherapy. And he actually uses a slinky as
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  a metaphor to avoid the increasing all or nothing or
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  polarized approaches that many people have in life these days.
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  So stay tuned and you will get to learn about Matt and his
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  approach to hypnosis. Hello, it's Adam here.
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  And welcome to the hypnotist. And today, I am not your
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  hypnotist. I am joined by guest hypnotist
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  Matt Dixon. Matt, welcome to the show.
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  Hey, Adam, how are you? Thanks.
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  Thanks for having me. I'm I'm really excited to be
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  here. Yeah, great to have you here.
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  And I think we met 4 four years ago at Hypno Thoughts Live.
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  And you know, you're such a nice guy, such a friendly guy and so
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  much I think to kind of share with people.
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  So it's great to finally have you on the show.
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  I'm always fascinated because everyone, you know, hypnotists
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  are like superheroes. We all have our origin story.
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  So I'm kind of curious, like, what was the thing?
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  What's the equivalent of you being bitten by a spider before
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  turning into Spider Man? Like what?
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  What happened to get you interested into hypnosis?
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  Well, I spent, I would say it's I, I spent 16 years as a
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  personal trainer and I was just, I was dealing a lot with body
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  dysmorphia in different, different parts of it.
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  And most of my clients were stressed out and considered
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  themselves to be low on confidence.
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  And you know, the, and I used to think like, you know, some
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  clients would say I just, I just need to lose 5 more pounds and
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  they, they could be ripped, you know, so to speak with like the
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  definition in their, you know, their veins in their arms and
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  things like that. And, and I would say you need a
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  hypnotist, not a, not a trainer. I can't work you any harder, you
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  know. And so it was always there in my
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  mind as something that could change someone's mindset because
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  there is no correlation between body composition and body image.
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  Like none whatsoever. Like 0.
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  Meaning that, you know, I, I discovered that you couldn't
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  look at a person and assume they felt good about how they look.
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  And that was just kind of the business I was, I was in at the
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  time. So I had always been interested
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  in it and I had always thought that it was something along
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  lines of like what you'd see on TV, you know, with the swinging
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  pocket watch and the, or the, you know, the stage shows
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  essentially like an induction in a deep trance and then giving
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  direct suggestions. And then I heard on a podcast
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  someone talking about like conversational hypnosis, you
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  know, like Milton model patterns and, and things like that.
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  And this is where the story gets weird.
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  So my dad was a car dealer and the, the first job I had was
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  selling used cars. So I, I had been exposed to a
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  lot of, you know, formal and informal sales training, a lot
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  of books. And then so these things that
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  are, you know, in sales, you know, back and this was the 80s
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  by the way, you know, the, the closing questions, the closing
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  techniques or how to overcome objections were essentially
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  like, you know, when they say this, you say that and they,
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  they. So when I looked into it, I was
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  like, well, that's these hypnotic language patterns are
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  closing questions. They're, they're sales
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  techniques, you know, like the, the, the, the either or, but
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  the, the double bind, you know, it's an alternative.
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  Clothes. Exactly.
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  Whatever they say do you want the red or the blue car?
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  Whatever happens to buying a car?
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  It's it is fascinating how they how they overlap and and also a
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  lot of the the meta model questions, yeah, you know, are
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  great for pre handling or dealing with objections because
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  quite often objections are vague and then meta model can hone in.
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  So, so you, so that's amazing that you had that kind of fusion
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  of kind of worlds kind of collide.
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  And what did you do with that, with that realization that that
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  it kind of overlapped? Yeah, well, so all of the time
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  that I had been in sales until I discovered, you know, becoming a
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  personal trainer, you know, I'd always thought like, geez, you
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  know, if somebody would just create sales for social
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  situations, you know, and I always kind of had that in my
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  mind. And then, you know, my my dad
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  talked that way, you know, he was just so persuasive, you
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  know, and then the, the people I worked with talked that way.
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  They were just so persuasive, you know, and, and the and these
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  and so I talked that way and then I realized like, oh, this
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  is I'm kind of already doing this.
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  So I need to formally study it so that I know I find out what I
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  know. And you know, Adam, like they
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  say, like, you know, you don't know what you don't know.
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  You also how's that? How's that saying go Don't know
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  what? You don't what?
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  What? Essentially what I found out.
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  Like I didn't know what I didn't know, I suppose.
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  Yeah, I guess. I mean nobody already.
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  They call it, yeah, you don't know.
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  You don't competence you, you don't know how bad you are at
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  the things you don't know which which is true for everyone, but
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  that, that's the biggest thing, isn't it?
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  Like you don't know the things that you don't know.
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  You know the things that you're not so good at, but but there's
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  so much of A void that you don't know.
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  Yeah, and and then the as a person with ADD, I always use
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  this, this analogy like, you know, when you have ADD you you
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  kind of learn things like in Swiss cheese, you know, a normal
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  person learns things like in a regular block of cheese and I
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  learn things in Swiss cheese. So there's holes, you know, and
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  then so because I, you know, I miss details.
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  And then, but the more you learn about something, the, the holes
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  get, you know, the, the borders darken and they get you a little
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  smaller to smaller. And then it ends up like when
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  you're ADD at some point, sometimes you feel like you're
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  the smartest person in the room and you feel like you're the
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  dumbest person in the room. And so people will say things
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  like you, you know so much about the weird details of this, you
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  know, weird thing, and it's just the borders closing in.
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  But I'm still missing the holes. So therefore, my whole life, I
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  would have to make sense of things by using metaphor or
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  analogy, like like I just did Swiss cheese.
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  And so, and then learning that, you know, the like, like the
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  Ericsson was all about just telling a story and then fixing
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  things that fascinated me and which is something you and I
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  have in common, which is like, so I really took a lot from your
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  talk at the IT was hit hit my thoughts in 22 or 23 when you
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  you did the metaphor in the movies and we had that nice
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  conversation, but I was linking, I was, you were using movies.
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  I was using essentially country music, you know, because
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  they're, it's, it's such good storytelling music, you know?
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  That's true, yeah. Yeah, but that, that, that
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  really inspired me. Your, your talk.
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  In fact, I, I, I wrote a little metaphor course that, you know,
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  I hadn't, I hadn't done anything with, but it was, it was based
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  on on being inspired by you. So thank you.
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  Amazing. So you're, you're in the world
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  of personal training. You make the connection between
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  linguistic patterns of hypnotherapy and and cells and
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  influence and and persuasion. What then was the catalyst for
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  you to be a practitioner, to actually kind of work with, work
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  with clients and help them? So through, yeah, you know, I
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  was, I was having, I was having trouble communicating to people
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  that they didn't need to lose any more weight, you know, and
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  that, that they keep going how they're going, you know,
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  they're, they're, they're going to maybe hurt themselves, you
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  know, and I, I was struggling getting that message across.
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  And then I became a yoga teacher.
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  And then so there's the language of yoga is, is very hypnotic,
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  you know, as it is. So then I, I had, you know, kind
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  of different words a different way to, I was a little more
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  effective. I'll just put it that way.
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  Then the training came through town and I was like, I'm just
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  going to do this. And then it came together.
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  And then it made me a more effective trainer.
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  And then at some point I realized that I was no longer
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  thinking about workouts. I was just thinking about
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  subconscious stuff. So I would go through like a,
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  like I, I used to, you know, go into like a big, you know,
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  hardware store, you know, like in the United States, you know,
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  like Lowe's or Home Depot. And I'd, I would see things, I'd
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  be like, I could have my clients lift and press that, or I could
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  have them push this or throw that, you know, And I went from
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  doing that to just thinking about subconscious stuff.
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  And that's when I realized that I, I should make the change
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  because my, my, my passion or my purpose, if you will, was, was
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  moving in a different direction. And that was three years ago.
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  That's, that's, that's amazing. I think, I think a lot of
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  hypnotherapists, when they, when they kind of make that switch
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  and they start actually working with clients in that area, it
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  becomes kind of addictive because it's creative, it's
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  stimulating, it's fulfilling. Like you're actually kind of
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  helping other people. You know, it takes a lot of
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  those kind of emotional needs and, and, and kind of boxes.
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  I also think having you know, and we both know a lot of
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  hypnotherapists. People.
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  Gravitate towards particular niches or styles and those kind
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  of things and, and clearly metaphor and storytelling is one
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  of those things that you've gravitated to.
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  Are there any other things that you found yourself kind of
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  moving towards either kind of issues, problems or just kind of
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  styles of therapy within hypnotherapy?
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  Are you are you asking like other modalities that I like to
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  use or like what? What sort of things I.
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  I so is there, is there kind of because some people will end up
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  working with, let's say, you know, executives or they might
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  find, you know, people stressed or it might be that actually
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  within hypnotherapy, they, they tend to find right, they work a
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  lot with might be weight loss or kind of anxiety.
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  Like did you kind of almost like hone in to certain kind of
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  niches or or types of clients? Yeah, this was, this was
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  something that was kind of a, a duh moment.
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  I had started going to local networking groups and I was
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  leading, you know, as a yoga teacher as well.
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  Excuse me. I was, I was, I was leading with
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  like, like stress, you know, and, and anxiety.
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  And because what I, what I was just finding was like, no matter
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  what the issue was, it was all based around the person feeling,
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  you know, stressed in the moment and, and not air quoting
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  confident, you know, And so there's just like 2 principles
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  of yoga that I would, you know, work with that.
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  But it was, it was a hard message, right?
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  Because everybody does that, so to speak.
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  So somebody came up and asked me at a, at a networking meeting.
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  She was like, Hey, I need to raise my rates.
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  I'm, I'm, I'm more trained in what I do than anybody else.
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  And I don't charge enough. Can you help me with that?
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  And I was like, of course I can help you with that.
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  Like, I know all about, you know, asking for money and you
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  know, how, how that comes up and how it can be scary and sure,
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  never even consider that. And it was a pretty easy thing.
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  It was kind of one of those things I, I normally like to
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  work with three sessions and we did three sessions, but we
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  pretty much have it sorted out in 30-40 minutes, you know, And
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  so that has kind of become my niche.
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  I, I started working with like sales people who are in slumps,
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  you know, the people that want to raise their rates, don't want
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  to make their cold calls, don't want to do their follow-ups, all
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  of those things. And I, I narrow that into
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  calling it a subconscious problem, which is a subconscious
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  problem is a problem that you know how to solve, but you're
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  not solving it. You know what to do and you're
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  not doing it and you don't know why you're not doing it.
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  Yeah. And so it would, it never
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  occurred to me, Adam, to, to, to work with salespeople because I
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  wasn't going to teach them how to sell, you know, or, or be a
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  sales coach, you know, and, and most people who would hire a
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  sales coach want somebody who is like a millionaire anyway.
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  You know, they, they want, they want to see the, you know, huge
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  success, the cars and all that stuff, right?
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  And so it never occurred to me. But like, what I discovered was,
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  you know, I was, when I was talking to salespeople, I would
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  say like, I'm, I'm not going to tell you to make more calls.
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  You don't hire a coach to tell you already know that, you know,
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  you're just, you don't know why you're not doing it.
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  So that's when you need a hypnotist and not a coach.
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  We'll do like a subconscious exploration and you know that
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  that thing will just kind of be when that that bubble pops and I
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  or that, you know, I, I think of things like a strand of pearls,
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  you know, like A and the one Pearl, you know, pops and the
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  others just kind of fall away, you know, as a, the strand of
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  pearls, meaning the, you know, the issue or the, OR the
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  problem. So that's a lovely metaphor.
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  And I think my equivalent of that is the House of Cards that
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  actually, if you find it like card, it all comes crumbling
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  down in all those other issues just resolve themselves.
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  But I've never used a string of pearls.
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  So I'm going to, I'm going to borrow that metaphor.
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  It's a very elegant metaphor. And yeah, I mean, I, I started
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  my career in, in sales and I think anyone that's worked in
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  sales, my my industry was media sales has witnessed and seen
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  it's as much psychological as it is technical.
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  The, the people that are in a bit of a rut, their confidence
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  goes low and then they're, they're kind of projecting
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  almost a defeatist kind of thing.
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  They suddenly get a couple of deals in, you know, they close a
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  few, their confidence is high, they're back in the game.
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  And, and, and it's so, so psychological because the, the
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  psychology affects the emotions, the emotions affect the
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  behavior. So I can understand why a
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  hypnotist would be so useful in that.
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  Is there belief systems that, that that sometimes come up that
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  you've seen working with salespeople that you think, OK,
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  this, This is why you've got this self fulfilling prophecy
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  because you believe you're not meant for this.
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  Or I tell you, what I've stumbled across is that some
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  salespeople, they think they're too good for sales or they think
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  that sales is almost like a, a sleazy or an unethical kind of
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  thing. And then that creates like a
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  self fulfilling prophecy. I'm just curious, did you, did
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  you, have you stumbled across any belief systems that are the
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  limiting block of that subconscious problem?
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  Yeah. So the not yet the, the, the,
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  the sales people that I that I work with have already done it
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  at a high level and they're they're no longer at a high
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  level. So they're in but like, yeah.
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  And I know exactly what what you're asking.
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  Yeah, you know that I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say that's ever
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  been verbalized, but you know, it could have possibly, you
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  know, come up for them. And then, you know, within that
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  with within the strand of pearls, you know, that that
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  could have that that could have gone.
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  I know the, the, the ones that I've been working with have
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  been, you know, already kind of well, already successful and
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  then already believed in themselves, you know.
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  Yeah. So it's it's more of a a
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  temporary issue and you helped resolve those issues to get them
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  back on track. Yeah, yeah, I think so.
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  And I on the first session, you know, like, no matter what the
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  presenting problem, as I, I always teach like two things
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  based in yoga for, you know, for, for stress in the moment to
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  regulate the nervous system that are that are, you know, they're,
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  they're just low key and discreet and they're very,
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  they're so effective, you know, and that's a big part of my
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  approach as I think of like the. The, the, the stress or the
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  anxiety as like, you know, so the, the issue is, is a knot in
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  the shoulder blade, you know, and then you, you know what to
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  do with the issue. You, you have the, the, the
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  massage therapist goes in with their thumb and just digs that
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  knot out, you know, but if you show up with a sunburn, you
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  know, then it's like, you know, that person's not going to,
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  probably not going to be able to relax.
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  For one thing, the, the massage therapist might look at the, you
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  know, the symptoms like I'm not touching you.
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  You're this is you know, and so the, the, the stress is like the
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  sunburn, you know, and then it's a stress that carries a person
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  the story. So I, you know, as I, as I'm
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  saying this out loud and because I'm kind of wondering like,
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  yeah, I wonder why that's never come up because that is like the
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  thing that so many, I guess subconscious workers, you know,
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  will coaches lead with is like, you feel worthy of making this
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  amount of money. You know, like I, I, I take, I
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  take the physiological approach of, of handling the, the nervous
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  system, the stress, which which I is, is I'm saying out loud
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  again, I'm, I'm, I'm wondering if like, you know, the, if a
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  person is thinking that maybe it's stress, it's got them
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  thinking that way or they're thinking that way, it's causing
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  the stress. But like that's a sunburn.
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  And when the, there's, the body can do everything it can do
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  sunburn or not, it just hurts. And when it no longer hurts, you
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  know, then it can, it, it can move And, and that opens up
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  different, you know, ideas of like if you have a sunburn, it
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  depends. It, it, it matters what you put
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  on, you know, that's, that's a scratchy material.
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  I can't lean back. I can't this when the sunburn's
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  not there, then you don't even think about that.
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  Then you can move on issue. Yeah.
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  And I guess the the great thing about hypnotherapy, to use that,
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  you know, string of Pearls or House of Cards metaphor, is that
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  it almost doesn't matter which Pearl you remove first.
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  You know, The thing is, once you do, a lot of the other ones, you
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  know, come tumbling down anyways.
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  So whether it's at the somatic level, the stress level, the
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  belief level, you make the change if they feel better and
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  then their performance goes up from solved.
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  Like, you know, you've got the result for the, for the, for the
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  client. At last year's hypno thoughts
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  in, in Vegas, I think you were doing a talk on trauma in
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  foreign language and I didn't get a chance to see it.
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  So I, I've, I have wanted to kind of ask you about that
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  because I think a lot of therapists don't realise
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  sometimes that when they're, when they're working with
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  clients, they might be accidentally treading on
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  landmines that they don't even know are there.
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  So I'm just kind of curious like how, how do you think about that
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  and, and, and what can therapists do to kind of
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  mitigate the the risks of that? Well, when I was going through,
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  thanks for asking about that. I, I think it's AI think it's a
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  pretty, I think it's an important, you know, thing to,
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  to talk about. When I was going through my
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  advanced yoga training and we were going through like trauma
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  teaching a trauma informed yoga class.
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  And I had thought that like it was just a matter of like being,
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  you know, sensitive. And in yoga's ethical practice,
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  the, the first tenet of the ethical practice is a HEMSA,
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  which is non violence or sensitivity, which which just
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  means essentially to do no harm, right.
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  And, but what I, what I found out was like, if you're going to
• 24:11
  put a class on the schedule and call it a trauma informed yoga
• 24:16
  class, then it's, it, there's more to it than that.
• 24:21
  So, so like as an example, in a, in a trauma informed class, if,
• 24:27
  if I, you know, get up and walk to the end of the room, you
• 24:31
  know, I'll, you know, I would, I would say you'll hear me stand
• 24:36
  up and walk to the end of the room.
• 24:38
  You know, if there's a, you know, a car door that, you know,
• 24:44
  that opens or shuts in the parking lot, you know, then,
• 24:48
  then in a trauma informed class, you know, you'll say, like I
• 24:52
  hear a car door outside. You know, if somebody gets up to
• 24:56
  go to the bathroom in the middle of practice, you know, he'd say
• 24:59
  somebody's getting up to leave it.
• 25:01
  You know, it's it before you, you know, if you walk up to a
• 25:07
  person, you know, to offer them help, rub your hands together.
• 25:12
  So it's a, it's a gentle way of, of approaching.
• 25:16
  And so as I was thinking about that, I was like, wow, there's
• 25:22
  so much to that. And, and a trauma informed yoga
• 25:26
  practice is all about people who you have experienced, you know,
• 25:31
  trauma and they feel safe to come in and, and to take a yoga
• 25:36
  class. And it's, it's about feeling
• 25:37
  safe and having autonomy and checked.
• 25:39
  And then I started thinking about like hypnosis and, you
• 25:44
  know, not only the patriarchal language, you know what it's so
• 25:52
  it's not so much as patriarchal. It's so dated, you know, and
• 25:55
  the, the certain phrases like after I, you know, you know, put
• 26:00
  you under the word command, you know, is a is, is not a word you
• 26:06
  would say to someone who is, has experienced trauma.
• 26:12
  And then like, you know, the, the certain techniques of like
• 26:17
  anchoring and poking people, you know what I'm saying?
• 26:21
  Like in inductions. Where it's a big jolt and a
• 26:24
  force the head down, right, Right.
• 26:27
  Yeah. It's, it's a very good point
• 26:28
  because I think I think a lot of people, they, they get very
• 26:31
  excited about the techniques. Oh, I'm going to anchor this.
• 26:34
  But if, if someone has been thwarted and pushed to be
• 26:38
  cajoled or, or coerced, then you might be thinking you're
• 26:42
  anchoring confidence and actually you're, you're pressing
• 26:45
  an anchor for, you know, kind of coercion or, or bullying or
• 26:50
  something like that. You, you don't know what you're
• 26:52
  doing. Exactly.
• 26:55
  And there's also the, you know, the, the effect of like if it's
• 27:02
  like an in in person thing, right?
• 27:05
  If you know, the, the, the, the, the hypnotist is much larger
• 27:11
  than the person they're working with, you know, male, female or,
• 27:14
  or what, you know, when they're sitting like up on them.
• 27:18
  Yeah, like like that, that can be quite scary.
• 27:21
  And then, but also just in, in a, in a like a classic
• 27:25
  induction, you know, like if you're talking about, you know,
• 27:30
  going down a staircase, that's not trauma informed, because
• 27:38
  footsteps coming down a staircase can, can be a very
• 27:41
  scary thing, you know, depending on what they have in their life
• 27:44
  or. And So what I was thinking was
• 27:51
  not for everybody to change how they do things unless they want
• 27:55
  to, but like at minimum that that breaks rapport.
• 28:02
  And so, you know, like, it's not just like it becoming like an AB
• 28:11
  reaction, so to speak. It could just be everything is
• 28:14
  fine. Then all of a sudden the the
• 28:16
  client just they, they just shut down and and maybe they're, they
• 28:23
  could even be like a like a like a, a people pleasing type of
• 28:26
  person. And, you know, you could check
• 28:29
  out. Is everything OK?
• 28:30
  Yeah, yeah, fine, fine. You know, something was said,
• 28:36
  we're done. That just triggered something,
• 28:38
  you know, an old anchor. And, and so my thought was like,
• 28:45
  I don't know if you've noticed the, you know, the, the ego in
• 28:50
  our industry is sometimes, but like, you know, I just, I
• 28:53
  noticed a lot of, in a lot of, you know, I don't know if it's
• 28:57
  trainings and workshops and things where there was not a
• 29:01
  responsibility taken for when, you know, the something, when a
• 29:06
  session goes South, so to speak, whether there's a every action
• 29:11
  or it just it didn't work out. You know, it's, you know, I'll
• 29:16
  hear things like sometimes people are just not ready to
• 29:19
  make a change. You know, they have to be, they
• 29:21
  have to show up and be ready to make a change.
• 29:23
  It's like, you know, I don't maybe maybe you said something
• 29:27
  that, you know, at least if you it in yoga, we say it always
• 29:34
  falls on a teacher. And so that doesn't mean that,
• 29:37
  you know, you're the right teacher for everybody.
• 29:40
  That means that and, and even even a, even a quote UN quote
• 29:44
  difficult student, there's somebody somewhere who can reach
• 29:48
  that student. And so if you at least take full
• 29:51
  responsibility, like in NLP, they say, be it 'cause you know,
• 29:55
  then whether you study, you know, how to become trauma
• 30:00
  informed or not, if you're aware you could it at the very least,
• 30:05
  if the, if the hypnotist can say, oh, I wonder if I triggered
• 30:09
  something, you know, and then can you know, reassess or, or
• 30:16
  maybe say, hey, you know, I, I think I know someone who's a,
• 30:21
  who's a good fit for you. And then yeah, someone is from
• 30:25
  as you're. Saying that I'm, I'm thinking
• 30:27
  like what, what's the one quality that I consider makes
• 30:30
  the difference between an average therapist and an
• 30:32
  excellent therapist and I and I would say it's the word or the
• 30:35
  phrase sensory acuity. It's, it's, it's how much of
• 30:39
  their attention is focused on calibrating with the person that
• 30:42
  they're with. And for those people, even if
• 30:45
  they're not trauma informed, they will have the sensory
• 30:47
  acuity to kind of see a facial expression that's like a grimace
• 30:51
  or, or something like that. And then they can lean in and
• 30:54
  either steal them in a different direction or at least check in
• 30:57
  with them afterwards. But but, but I think it's such
• 30:59
  an important point because I've also seen that, which is if it
• 31:04
  doesn't go exactly to plan, then there is that kind of
• 31:08
  projection. It's not me, it's them.
• 31:11
  Then you could have someone that is just like they volunteered
• 31:13
  for something, whether it's in a workshop or they've had a
• 31:16
  therapy session. And at the end of that, they
• 31:18
  think, OK, there's something wrong with me, you know, and
• 31:21
  actually they leave that kind of experience worse than had they
• 31:24
  not, you know, kind of put themselves forward.
• 31:26
  So I think I think it's a very valuable thing.
• 31:29
  And then at some level you could just call it consideration.
• 31:32
  You know, it's kind of like giving some thought to the
• 31:34
  person that you're working with. And if you do that, you, you,
• 31:38
  you're going to be naturally kind of more curious if
• 31:41
  something comes up. Then if you've got this kind of
• 31:44
  guru archetype, which is I'm perfect.
• 31:47
  Therefore, if it doesn't work, it's, it's them, not me, which,
• 31:51
  you know, we, we, we've seen people like that.
• 31:53
  Yeah, they're subconscious just isn't ready to make a change.
• 31:57
  Yeah, yeah, and, and, and to some extent, like stage, stage
• 32:03
  hypnotherapist, we'll make a little joke of that because they
• 32:05
  want, they want a compliant thing.
• 32:07
  And they're so not everyone's intelligent enough to experience
• 32:09
  hypnosis, you know, and they're kind of getting it in early just
• 32:12
  so that, you know, they, they increase compliance.
• 32:15
  But then it it does have that element.
• 32:16
  If someone was called an idiot throughout their childhood and
• 32:19
  they've they've got all excited about volunteering for stage
• 32:21
  show and they're the one put back in the in the audience, you
• 32:25
  know, again, that that could that could be a trigger for
• 32:27
  them. So it's just having a little bit
• 32:29
  of consideration. I've never considered that.
• 32:32
  That is exactly I that's that. That's an that's an astute
• 32:36
  observation. Exactly.
• 32:38
  Yeah. Because that's exactly what,
• 32:40
  that's what I, I, when, when I talk about stage shows, I'll,
• 32:44
  when you know, I'll talk about it like how the, you know, the
• 32:49
  hypnotists will usually find, you know, people usually through
• 32:52
  the finger stick. And then, you know, then, and
• 32:55
  then normally I'll say like, you know, at some point they'll,
• 32:58
  that person will be, you know, they'll, they'll just kind of
• 33:01
  drift out of it and then they'll, they'll sit them down.
• 33:04
  So like you may start with 20 people and then end up with
• 33:06
  four. And because the chances are you,
• 33:10
  you, you will get sat down. And I hadn't thought about that.
• 33:14
  I really had. That's yeah.
• 33:17
  I've seen a couple of stage hypnotists that did it really
• 33:20
  well. And they say like, doesn't mean
• 33:22
  that you can't be hypnotized, doesn't mean that you're not,
• 33:24
  you know, it just, it just means that right now in this moment,
• 33:27
  you know, and that's a that's a very considerate, you know, kind
• 33:30
  of free frame to kind of give it.
• 33:32
  And, and then it means that, oh, you know, they're not feeling
• 33:36
  like a failure by, by not being a participant, but, but it does
• 33:39
  matter. And, and I think that kind of
• 33:43
  approach, which is more what you would call, let's say the
• 33:47
  authoritarian style of hypnosis of when I click my fingers, you
• 33:51
  will go to sleep. You know, that kind of tonality,
• 33:54
  it doesn't allow a lot of consideration because it is
• 33:57
  based on dominance. It is based on, on this kind of
• 34:00
  authority. And therefore you can understand
• 34:03
  the perspective where they'll say, well, if I'm too
• 34:05
  considerate, it weakens my authority and therefore I'm
• 34:07
  going to get less results for the client.
• 34:09
  But there is absolutely a middle ground there where you can kind
• 34:12
  of have the interest of the client and and still be
• 34:15
  considerate with who you're working with.
• 34:17
  Yeah. Can I ask you a question?
• 34:20
  Sure. So in in your experience, like
• 34:26
  what what do you say to to a person who says they can't be
• 34:32
  hypnotized if if they I mean to a person like who, who shows up
• 34:37
  ready to work with you? Yeah, the, the, the main thing
• 34:42
  that I do when people say that is I just because I've done it
• 34:49
  so many times, it's normally the case that they have a definition
• 34:52
  of hypnosis based on either stage shows or Hollywood.
• 34:57
  That isn't necessarily what hypnosis is.
• 34:59
  So I'll say, look, look, there is a suggestibility scale.
• 35:03
  Some people are more suggestible than than others, but one of the
• 35:07
  key things is that everyone can be hypnotized.
• 35:09
  It's just the level to which they can be suggestible and what
• 35:14
  hypnosis is really like. And then I, my favorite examples
• 35:18
  are if you're reading a fiction book and you get so lost in the
• 35:21
  story, you don't realize that you're reading the words or
• 35:23
  turning the page, that's hypnosis.
• 35:25
  Or if you've got a long car journey and you don't, you're
• 35:29
  not aware of changing lanes because you're, you know that
• 35:31
  your body can do it, that's hypnosis.
• 35:34
  And when you give it that frame, you can say, well, anyone with
• 35:36
  neural pathways can be hypnotized.
• 35:39
  That means that everyone can, I've only worked with one client
• 35:43
  and I can, and I can remember, and I think, I think it was just
• 35:47
  based on a, on a very deep subconscious coping strategy.
• 35:49
  But there was one client that I worked with and she really
• 35:52
  couldn't sleep. And I, and, and she suspects
• 35:55
  that she was sexually abused through childhood at night when
• 35:59
  she was meant to be sleeping. And, and, and for her, you know,
• 36:03
  she couldn't get sleep and she wanted the hypnosis to do it.
• 36:05
  And I was trying all of these different things and she was
• 36:09
  just so, so vigilant. I couldn't get her to that place
• 36:13
  of doing it. And, and normally my induction
• 36:16
  is take a deep breath in on the outward breath, close your eyes,
• 36:18
  like that's my induction for her.
• 36:20
  I was, I'm sorry, inductions, deepeners.
• 36:23
  And I could just see the facial expression of someone like, has
• 36:26
  it started? Is this working?
• 36:27
  Like what am I meant to be doing?
• 36:28
  And so it hasn't happened very often, but but that was the one
• 36:32
  case. And I, and I just think it was,
• 36:34
  it was a very, very vigilant, you know, part that just, and
• 36:39
  even closing her eyes felt like danger, like it was.
• 36:42
  So if I had, I just gave her a refund.
• 36:44
  But yeah, it's. I don't know if that answers
• 36:47
  your question, but that's normally how I frame it.
• 36:50
  Yeah, it it does. I, I, I wondered because many
• 36:59
  people, you know, they'll, they'll, they'll wonder if they
• 37:03
  can be hypnotized or that they can be hypnotized enough in
• 37:06
  order for the, the change to happen.
• 37:09
  You know, and I have a had a huge pre frame, you know, with
• 37:15
  the, with the finger stick and and you know, the I just, I just
• 37:22
  wondered, I just wondered how, how you did it because in
• 37:25
  listening to your listening to you hypnotize people, you know,
• 37:29
  on your podcast, you, you, you clearly do it like under under
• 37:36
  trance, you know, so to so to speak, where it's like, you
• 37:39
  know, sometimes I'll work conversationally and I I just
• 37:42
  wondered. Yeah.
• 37:43
  Thank you. There is one, one of my favorite
• 37:45
  questions to ask if, if they're like, oh, can I be hypnotized?
• 37:49
  One of my favorite questions is, do you remember where you were
• 37:52
  living when you were 10 years old?
• 37:54
  And everyone knows where they were living.
• 37:55
  And I say, was it a house? Was it an apartment?
• 37:57
  And they're like, oh, OK. And I can see their eyes moving
• 37:59
  up, you know, normally to the left.
• 38:01
  And then I say, right, all I want you to do is to count the
• 38:03
  number of doors or count the number of windows in that place,
• 38:07
  you know, and, and if they just guessed there are No 7, I said
• 38:11
  no, no, no. Like if there was $1,000,000
• 38:13
  riding on it, how many doors were in that?
• 38:15
  And you see them going up and they normally like move their
• 38:18
  head like this. And then, and then I say, right,
• 38:22
  OK, they say like 8 doors. And I say, right, correct me if
• 38:25
  I'm wrong. Did you just go back to that
• 38:27
  house? You wandered around the house,
• 38:29
  and as you were going around, like in a first person
• 38:32
  perspective, there you were counting doors.
• 38:34
  And they're like, yeah, how'd you know?
• 38:36
  And I say it was in color, wasn't it?
• 38:37
  And your height of your body was the same height you were when
• 38:40
  you were 10 years old. And they're like, huh, how'd you
• 38:42
  know that? And then I'm like, right, that's
• 38:44
  regression. And we did that without an
• 38:46
  induction, and we did that without a deepener.
• 38:49
  And you could go back to that moment and when you say, right,
• 38:53
  you know that your physical body was here, but actually there was
• 38:56
  a part of you that was actually wandering around that house and
• 39:00
  it would have taken you 2 minutes to do it in reality.
• 39:01
  And you did it in about 10 seconds in your imagination.
• 39:04
  That is a low level of hypnosis. It's not that helpful to go back
• 39:08
  to a house and count doors. It might be very useful to go
• 39:11
  back to a memory and give it a new meaning or go back to the
• 39:14
  inception point of a belief and, and change that belief to
• 39:17
  something else. And normally they go, OK, and
• 39:20
  it's like, OK, now, now I've given them, they've already
• 39:23
  experienced hypnosis at that point.
• 39:25
  So now I can kind of build on that, that that's it's a nice.
• 39:29
  Look. Oh, I, I, I have two people
• 39:32
  today. I'm, I think I'm, I think I'm
• 39:34
  gonna do that. So.
• 39:36
  That's yeah, that's really cool. We we mentioned.
• 39:39
  Sensory acuity before. Thank you.
• 39:41
  We mentioned sensory acuity before and I'm sure there will
• 39:43
  be some eagle eared listeners that have heard the sound of a
• 39:47
  slinky in the in the background. So tell us what the significance
• 39:51
  of the of the the slinky is. Thank you for asking so and, and
• 40:05
  actually kind of to answer your earlier question about, you
• 40:09
  know, you know, the finding if a person believes they're worth,
• 40:16
  you know, succeeding and things like that.
• 40:20
  This this is how I introduce the concept of Stira Sukum.
• 40:25
  In which is in yoga into hypnosis.
• 40:29
  And so stir asukum literally means stability and ease.
• 40:35
  So it's to not over effort. And so if you're, you know, in
• 40:41
  a, in a posture and you're, you know, holding it really strong
• 40:47
  and you're tense everywhere and it, it's, that's over effort.
• 40:52
  If you're in a posture and you're slouching and you know,
• 40:59
  and you know, there's no stability, then that's, you
• 41:01
  know, under effort, stability and ease is just what's needed.
• 41:06
  And so the, if you look at a slinky and you think of like you
• 41:13
  say, like an issue, you could just like, like the nervous
• 41:15
  system, right? Think of stress and you pull the
• 41:19
  slinky out-of-the-box and it's, it's, it's just compressed and
• 41:24
  it's so tight. It's like, you know, and you
• 41:28
  think like I've got to fix it. So you know, you pull it out and
• 41:32
  then it really far in the slinky just starts wobbles in front of
• 41:36
  you and, and you know, it's one extreme to another.
• 41:40
  It's either or it's all or nothing.
• 41:43
  And if you do it too much, you'll bend the end, the, you
• 41:46
  know, the, the middle of it. And then it no longer it's, it's
• 41:51
  not a slinky anymore. It just becomes something else,
• 41:52
  right. So Stira Sukum is the middle
• 41:58
  way. It's the middle way of like
• 42:01
  between, you know, it's the between either or and you know,
• 42:06
  at least, you know, in the, you know, in here in America, it's
• 42:11
  everybody's is either or they're just thinking all or nothing.
• 42:15
  You know, I'm all in or I'm not at all.
• 42:17
  Or if I can't, if I can't go all the way, then why?
• 42:21
  Why would I even I don't, I'm going to do anything I can't be
• 42:24
  the best at, you know, that type of thing, right.
• 42:27
  And so when you introduce like the middle way with a slinky and
• 42:33
  then a person might say, well, I don't, I don't want to settle
• 42:38
  for the middle. I want to be one of those two
• 42:40
  comma club people, you know, or I want to, you know, and then so
• 42:45
  OK, then you just move the middle out.
• 42:48
  And then the thing about yoga is that there's it's not either or
• 42:54
  there's and there's not right or wrong.
• 42:56
  There's a place for everything. There's a place for to be
• 42:59
  completely compressed. There's a place to be completely
• 43:02
  way out and open like that. If you maintain the middle, it's
• 43:08
  like, I want to do better than the middle.
• 43:09
  So you just you just move the middle now the middle's all the
• 43:11
  way out here. And so if you're, if you have a
• 43:17
  black belt and slinky like I do, then you can hold this for a
• 43:21
  long time out here as I go a little farther and see it's
• 43:25
  starting to wobble. And this is where like some
• 43:29
  people will kind of miss the point of it and they're like,
• 43:31
  it's wobbling. And just just now I'm I couldn't
• 43:36
  do it. I couldn't do it.
• 43:38
  Well, now you just, if it's starting to wobble, then just
• 43:42
  bring it in a little bit until it doesn't wobbling more of it.
• 43:45
  Maybe you bring it all the way in to rest.
• 43:48
  So stay in the middle and stay fluid so that you can go in
• 43:55
  either direction. You're kind of ready for, for
• 43:57
  anything. And then what a, a, a big part
• 44:02
  of why I've been successful, I think with like sales people and
• 44:07
  entrepreneurs and whatnot is to move them away from the eye that
• 44:11
  we're thinking. And then and there's a, there's
• 44:17
  actually, I don't remember his name, but there's, it's really a
• 44:22
  fun quote. But he's a very well known sales
• 44:30
  expert. But he says either or thinking
• 44:33
  is the the the the thinking style of a toddler.
• 44:40
  Interesting. And it, yeah, it, and it, it
• 44:42
  makes you easier to manipulate because there's just two
• 44:46
  choices, you know, And then with accepting a middle way, there's
• 44:51
  at least, at least at the minimum, it gives you one more
• 44:54
  choice, you know? So what's fascinating is is is
• 44:58
  how many parallels I'm. I'm just picking up in the
• 45:00
  conversation because your string of pearls is my House of Cards.
• 45:03
  Yeah, it dawned on me with your slinky is that I've.
• 45:07
  I've used many hypnosis sessions.
• 45:10
  The metaphor of a plane that has autopilot with one destination
• 45:15
  and the pilot trying to get to a different destination and
• 45:18
  they're kind of conflicted. Whenever they try and make
• 45:20
  progress, they go in the other and actually the resolution
• 45:23
  there is not to go to either destination.
• 45:25
  It's to find a new destination that gives you the best of of
• 45:28
  kind of both worlds. It's not perfect with yours
• 45:31
  because I think a lot of your metaphor is about the
• 45:33
  flexibility to kind of shift and adapt, but it, but it, a lot of,
• 45:38
  I would say parts integration therapy or parts negotiation
• 45:41
  therapy is, is finding a new way to kind of of break that kind of
• 45:46
  either or, or these kind of beliefs that in order to do XI
• 45:51
  must be Y. It's kind of like that.
• 45:53
  The binary thinking is actually what creates rigidity and less
• 45:57
  choice. And, and one of my favorite
• 45:59
  things about hypnosis and to some extent, LLP, if you
• 46:02
  introduce resources and new belief systems, having more
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  options gives you way more flexibility in the same
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  situation. So you can, you can choose to do
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  the thing without being obligated to do the thing.
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  And I think what we've seen politically, what we've seen in
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  terms of the tribalism across the world, we're moving more
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  towards the, the, the kind of the either or the all or nothing
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  that I'm, I'm this tribe, I'm that tribe.
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  Whereas actually it, it completely steals from people
• 46:31
  the nuance and the Shades of Grey to be able to, well, I
• 46:34
  agree with that. But actually I completely
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  disagree with that because when you, when you paint yourself a
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  particular colour, you, you have to almost kind of like accept
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  all or nothing. And actually, how likely is that
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  to be true? Like politically or
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  ideologically, it's it's unlikely it's going to be, well,
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  you agree with some things and not why do do you think it's
• 46:55
  social media that's like fueled this whole thing with its
• 46:57
  algorithms? Or why, why do you think we as a
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  planet is kind of moving to this polarization rather than the,
• 47:04
  the, the slinky way of kind of like, you know, being in the
• 47:07
  middle and being able to choose what you want?
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  Well, thank you. Thank you for asking me such a
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  important question. The Yeah, why?
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  Well, there's there's certainty and safety in either or thinking
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  is what I think. And so the you know, well, OK,
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  I'm going to we all know who Jordan Peterson is, right?
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  And then so there's this the sound clip.
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  I'm I'm sorry to take your podcast here.
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  The, the there's a sound clip where he's, he's, he's having
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  kind of an episode over, over gender, you know, and, and
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  gender fluidity and, and his whole thing is like, what am I
• 48:12
  supposed to do with you? What am I supposed to?
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  He's just trying to like and, and then, you know, the and, and
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  it just, you know, assume he's seeing someone, you know, riding
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  the middle part, you know, of, of, of gender fluidity.
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  And then what pronoun am I supposed to?
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  He's just it, it he's he's distraught because he doesn't
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  it's, it's scary. You know, it's, it's, and I
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  think that I think that people are, are, are scared, you know,
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  and they're, and they're mourning, they're mourning,
• 48:45
  they're mourning the, their, the, the way of life that they,
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  that they knew, you know, the, you know, you should have, you
• 48:55
  should have seen people coming in, You know, that my dad was an
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  Oldsmobile and Cadillac dealer and, you know, people coming in,
• 49:04
  in 1986 when GM made a huge body change, you know, And then the,
• 49:14
  the, you know, the, the, the Cadillac El Dorado and the
• 49:18
  Olsonville tornado, which was the same car went from a big
• 49:22
  rear wheel drive car to a front wheel drive car in these, you
• 49:26
  know, older folks that have been buying, you know, the, the
• 49:31
  certain type of car their whole life or beside themselves,
• 49:34
  because now their beloved car look like a spaceship.
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  And what are they supposed to do with that?
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  You know, and, and it's, it's a threat to their perceived way of
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  life. And so it's, it's, it's much
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  easier to, you know, to, to, to, to be a binary thinker than it
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  is to be nuanced. I, I think you've hit the nail
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  on the head like it's, it's safety because why, why would
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  someone joining a jail or a prison join a gang with very
• 50:07
  extreme beliefs that they don't believe in only for safety, you
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  know, and I think at some level that that pans out throughout
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  society in a way, it's kind of like, you know, it's vulnerable
• 50:17
  to be nuanced, whereas again, certainty, clarity, safety, all
• 50:23
  very important needs. And you do get the, the
• 50:25
  cognitive dissonance and, and all the the Robert Cialdini
• 50:29
  stuff that if you say yes to one or two things, it's just easier
• 50:34
  to say yes to all the other things that, that come with it.
• 50:37
  And then you've got that kind of polarized thing.
• 50:39
  But it, it, it does steal a lot of independent critical thinking
• 50:43
  from humans if they, if they do that.
• 50:46
  And, and, and I think that's, that's the downside of this is
• 50:51
  this is great. This is evil.
• 50:53
  It's kind of like, you know it. And, and I guess it comes back
• 50:58
  to you. It's what you said about the
• 50:59
  toddler thinking you're easier to manipulate if you are either
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  this or that, because then all you have to do is to make the
• 51:05
  other your enemy and then you're easy to, to manipulate.
• 51:08
  It's, it's, there's so much psychological warfare going on
• 51:12
  in the world. And I think it's hypnotists.
• 51:14
  We've got more, less filters to actually see some of these
• 51:18
  things that I think a lot of people that that have no
• 51:21
  background in, in psychology or, or language and, and, and the
• 51:25
  emotional suggestions. Yeah, and you know, there's
• 51:28
  something else I was thinking about as well.
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  At first, I, it's probably, I said it was easier to think
• 51:37
  either or maybe it's not, but maybe it's just simpler and
• 51:43
  simpler is easier. So, you know, but you know, I,
• 51:49
  the, the, it's a juicy topic now the, the manosphere, you know,
• 51:54
  and the, I heard Arnold Schwarzenegger talking about men
• 52:03
  calling themselves alphas and, and, and what he said was he
• 52:10
  said, he said to call yourself an alpha is ridiculous.
• 52:14
  And that they did that back in the day at a Gold's Gym.
• 52:17
  We would make fun of them until they stopped, you know, and, and
• 52:22
  so like, so I, I, these, these manosphere, you know, dorks,
• 52:30
  right, right. They, there's, they, they've
• 52:35
  always existed, I suppose, but they would have never grown to
• 52:41
  have influence because people wouldn't have allowed it, you
• 52:47
  know what I'm saying? They, they, they wouldn't have
• 52:49
  grown beyond three or four people that thought they, they,
• 52:54
  they were cool, you know what I'm saying?
• 52:55
  Like there was a really extreme, you know, beliefs, but like the,
• 53:01
  the power of, you know, social media and then, you know, the,
• 53:06
  the staying in a vacuum and then making the vacuum bigger and
• 53:09
  bigger and bigger. Yeah, and I think social media
• 53:13
  really does reward rage baiting. So actually the more polarized
• 53:18
  views you have, the more engagement you get, the bigger
• 53:20
  the audience. And a lot of people can monetize
• 53:23
  those those audience. I think from a mental health
• 53:26
  perspective, it also shows that particularly for for young men,
• 53:32
  there is a, there's a real, there's a real need for whatever
• 53:38
  these grifters are offering, which is an element of feeling
• 53:43
  like they're included, making sense of the world's, you know,
• 53:46
  having a feeling of purpose, feeling significant.
• 53:49
  And, and I just think whether it's the, the, the toxic, you
• 53:54
  know, kind of red pill community or almost the, the, the kind of
• 54:00
  the virtue signalling of saying like all of this is wrong.
• 54:03
  All that does is alienate the very people that want a tribe
• 54:05
  and then it polarizes them and then creates more distance.
• 54:08
  And I think I, I think you're absolutely right.
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  The middle way is, is probably helpful in so many of these kind
• 54:14
  of major issues that we're, we're facing.
• 54:17
  Unfortunately, it, it just seems like right now in this this time
• 54:21
  in kind of culture and society, a lot of it is loaded for
• 54:25
  increased polarization rather than that that middle way.
• 54:28
  So I'm glad you're here to help people find the middle way in,
• 54:31
  in in some respects. Have you got an experience?
• 54:35
  So for anyone listening here, they want to kind of experience
• 54:37
  your, your therapy, your, your style of hypnosis.
• 54:40
  Do you want to give us a a demo? Sure, sure.
• 54:47
  The. This would, yeah, I can do like,
• 54:53
  like something I like to do for, for, for grounding.
• 54:59
  Perfect. And it's it's kind of based in,
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  in centering and yoga. And with a little hypnotic
• 55:14
  language, we've done so. Yeah, cue the music.
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  I'm kidding. I got if you want.
• 55:27
  Do you want some music? I mean, you can if you want.
• 55:31
  I just, I, I wasn't prepared for you to have that.
• 55:35
  I was just cracking a joke. OK, so do I do this experience
• 55:40
  like I'm like for for you and then kind of thing?
• 55:45
  OK, OK, so find a find a foundation that you want to
• 55:55
  bring your body to, whether it's seated or on your back body, and
• 56:03
  make this foundation that you can be completely relaxed.
• 56:07
  And, and then as you're relaxing at some point, if you feel like
• 56:16
  you want to close your eyes, you can close your eyes or you can
• 56:19
  keep them open. It's whatever is best for you.
• 56:22
  Just remember, your, your body's your best teacher.
• 56:26
  And no matter what you hear from me, if it's not something that
• 56:31
  your body agrees with, then you can just ditch it.
• 56:37
  But with your eyes closed, if you're closed, begin to soften,
• 56:41
  invite a sense of softening and bring the softness into your
• 56:45
  belly. And as you draw your breath in,
• 56:50
  feel your belly expand. Breathe deep into your belly.
• 56:56
  And as you're breathing deep into your belly, if there's
• 57:02
  anything that you are consciously or subconsciously
• 57:05
  holding on to that's telling you that bellies should be flat,
• 57:12
  firm, hard, unseen, tight, taut, anything like that, just let
• 57:17
  that go, release it and let your belly become soft so that when
• 57:21
  you breathe in, it can expand and reclaim its space.
• 57:28
  And maybe the larger that your belly can become through your
• 57:33
  breath, the more that you bring in, which would mean the more
• 57:35
  that you can breathe out. And the more that you breathe
• 57:38
  out means the more that you can release and begin to notice, if
• 57:46
  you can, you know the temperature of the room.
• 57:50
  And as you notice the temperature of the room, notice
• 57:53
  the weight of your clothes on your body, the weight of your
• 57:55
  body on the surface that's supporting you, and the weight
• 58:00
  of the surface that's supporting you.
• 58:02
  On to the building in the building.
• 58:06
  On to the foundation and the foundation onto the earth and
• 58:11
  down deeper and deeper and deeper as far as you're wanting
• 58:16
  to let your awareness go down deeper and deeper.
• 58:23
  And with each exhale, feel the feeling of your body becoming a
• 58:30
  little heavier, heavier in a way that is grounding.
• 58:36
  With each inhale, maybe you'll feel your body become just a
• 58:38
  little bit lighter. And it's so subtle, but it's
• 58:40
  still there. And what you're noticing is
• 58:44
  you're noticing gravity. And it's a funny thing of the
• 58:49
  gravity that they say that when we're born, we only have two
• 58:55
  fears, and that is loud noises and falling.
• 59:01
  As we go through life, we tend to fight.
• 59:03
  Gravity is we don't want to fall.
• 59:05
  We don't want things falling on us.
• 59:06
  As we get older, we don't like what gravity does to our body.
• 59:09
  Gravity is the one thing that keeps us here on Earth.
• 59:12
  It's literally the most grounding thing is when you feel
• 59:14
  your body a little heavier, feel it in a way that feels
• 59:17
  grounding. You know that you're feeling the
• 59:19
  thing that yeah, it's grounding you.
• 59:26
  And take your attention back to your breath.
• 59:29
  And there's a pause in your breath.
• 59:30
  There's a pause at the top of the inhale, the bottom of the
• 59:33
  exhale. And as the pause becomes
• 59:38
  noticeable, right before the breath turns around into
• 59:42
  something else, right before it becomes something else, there's
• 59:44
  a calm stillness before the inhale becomes an exhale.
• 59:47
  The exhale becomes an inhale. It's still, it's calm, it's
• 59:52
  smooth. And then at the bottom of the
• 59:55
  exhale, it's the same thing. It's still, it's calm, it's
• 1:00:00
  smooth. And you can notice that that
• 1:00:02
  calm stillness is at the top of your breath and the bottom of
• 1:00:07
  your breath. And the subconscious knows time,
• 1:00:12
  not in the way the conscious knows time.
• 1:00:15
  And that time of calm stillness in real time is.
• 1:00:21
  Very short, but in subconscious time it can last as long as you
• 1:00:24
  want it to. That calm stillness is with you
• 1:00:26
  no matter what, no matter where, as long as you're breathing,
• 1:00:29
  because it bookends your breath and you can always come back to
• 1:00:33
  that at any time. You can feel the grounding
• 1:00:38
  weight of gravity and the calm stillness simply by using your
• 1:00:44
  breath by breathing softening. And as you're breathing,
• 1:00:55
  softening and noticing and grounding, allow your
• 1:01:00
  subconscious to do one of two things.
• 1:01:03
  It could be ready anytime after your next exhale to come back
• 1:01:10
  into a state of awareness. Or it can go in and just release
• 1:01:15
  something. It can be something major, it
• 1:01:18
  can be something very minor. It can be something that will
• 1:01:20
  just give you a general feeling of lightness, a general feeling
• 1:01:25
  of receiving. It's anytime after your next
• 1:01:33
  exhale, when it's right for you and you're ready to open your
• 1:01:39
  eyes. You can open your eyes now.
• 1:01:54
  What a lovely experience, I like that.
• 1:01:56
  Thank you. Thanks.
• 1:01:59
  I think the sound, the slinky enhanced.
• 1:02:01
  There's something I noticed when you were doing the the Slinky,
• 1:02:03
  the sound and the look is is very hypnotic with the Slinky.
• 1:02:05
  It kind of works as a you know, it should definitely replace the
• 1:02:09
  swinging watch or the pendulum like it.
• 1:02:11
  The Slinky is the is the modern version.
• 1:02:16
  If people are listening, Matt, and they want to work with you,
• 1:02:19
  learn more about you, see you speaking live somewhere, where's
• 1:02:22
  the best place they can do to find out more about you?
• 1:02:24
  Yeah. My website is Matt, Matt Dixon
• 1:02:30
  Dickson hypnosis.com and there's a there's a free audio for
• 1:02:44
  registering on my e-mail list. I said when I send one e-mail,
• 1:02:48
  you know, per week. And and I also have a ebook
• 1:02:53
  bundle called the subconscious starter pack.
• 1:02:57
  Three very short ebooks. 1 is the 62nd self talk reset.
• 1:03:04
  The second is how to say no without guilt.
• 1:03:07
  And the third is how to spot and stop self sabotage in 60 seconds
• 1:03:12
  or less. So that's available.
• 1:03:17
  And, and yeah, I, I'm reach out to me on Facebook as well.
• 1:03:25
  You can just type in Matt Dixon hypnosis and you'll, you'll find
• 1:03:28
  me if you're listening. I have a really big mustache.
• 1:03:31
  And that's the if you see my picture, that's that's me.
• 1:03:36
  And I would say that's as a key part of your personal brand.
• 1:03:39
  You know, it's as long as I've known you, you've had that kind
• 1:03:42
  of very impressive mustache. Like there's a lot of men that
• 1:03:46
  would be, I'm sure, very jealous of a of a mustache like that.
• 1:03:50
  Have you ever shaved it off and just people don't recognize you?
• 1:03:52
  Like it's so integral to who you are?
• 1:03:55
  No. No, I, you know, I, I've always
• 1:03:59
  had like some kind of facial hair to like no facial hair.
• 1:04:02
  And I, I, I just, I just left it alone for about a year and, and
• 1:04:08
  then this happened and then, and then it kind of became like, I
• 1:04:11
  really can't shave it off now. That's it.
• 1:04:13
  It's part, part of it's at the identity level, that mustache.
• 1:04:17
  Matt, it's been an absolute pleasure to have you on the
• 1:04:18
  show. I'm very glad you are here.
• 1:04:20
  And I'm sure we'll catch up probably Vegas in in July, if
• 1:04:24
  you're gonna do that. Thanks.
• 1:04:26
  Thanks. Thanks for having me.
• 1:04:28
  You should come to the Heartland Conference in April.
• 1:04:32
  I will bear that in mind. I will definitely bear that in
• 1:04:34
  mind. Love to show you around the
• 1:04:37
  Saint Louis area. Amazing.
• 1:04:39
  Everyone listening, Thank you for listening and take care and
• 1:04:42
  we'll see you soon. Thank you so much for joining me
• 1:04:49
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• 1:04:51
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