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Still Comfy? Sleepless in Seattle · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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  Speaker 1: with all new episodes of two All the Men I've
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  Speaker 1: Tolerated Before.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, it is dell Comfy Tuesday. I am one
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  Speaker 2: of two hosts Julia Washington, I host pop Culture Makes
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  Speaker 2: Me tell Us, where we analyze pop culture through the
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  Speaker 2: lens of race or gender and sometimes both.
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  Speaker 1: And I am joined by Hi everyone, my name is
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  Speaker 1: Natalie Katona. I'm the host of two All the Men
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  Speaker 1: I've Tolerated Before, your weekly look at everyday misogyny.
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  Speaker 3: And this week we're discussing Sleevelesson Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: We're so good at this, Jules, have you ever done improv?
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  Speaker 1: Because like the back and forth.
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  Speaker 3: I told you before we went live that my brain
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  Speaker 3: is foggy.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 2: In advance, Okay, before we get into our chatty chat,
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  Speaker 2: chit chat, I want to give everyone a summary of
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  Speaker 2: our movie.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna be a great show. My brain is so hair.
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  Speaker 2: The death of his wife, Sam Baldwin moves to Seattle
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  Speaker 2: with his son Jonah. When Jonah calls into a talk
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  Speaker 2: radio program to find a new wife for his father,
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  Speaker 2: Sam grudgingly gets on the line to discuss his feelings.
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  Speaker 2: Annie Reid, a reporter in Baltimore Here's Sam speak and
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  Speaker 2: falls for him, even though she's engaged. Unsure where it
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  Speaker 2: will lead, she writes Sam a letter asking him to
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  Speaker 2: meet her at the Empire State Building on Valentine's Day.
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  Speaker 3: Penelo b Behave.
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  Speaker 2: This movie was released June twenty fifth, nineteen ninety three,
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  Speaker 2: and it stars Macrian, Tom Hanks, Rosie O'Donnell and with
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  Speaker 2: Rita Wilson, Bill Pullman, Niles Kramer, whose name I forget
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  Speaker 2: the real name of, and Victor Garbo and a lot
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  Speaker 2: of others and now we're here and now with the.
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  Speaker 1: Years from Titanic, the guy with the years. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: know that actor specifically because his ears look like Victor
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  Speaker 1: gar What you mean, Victor Gary, I can't have. His
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  Speaker 1: ears aren't symmetrical, and that's how I know him. And
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  Speaker 1: they're also very big. I just call him the guy
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  Speaker 1: with the ears.
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  Speaker 2: That's so funny, Oh man, love that, love that for him. Okay, Natalie,
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  Speaker 2: where would you like to begin? Because there is so
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  Speaker 2: I should have open.
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  Speaker 1: Here's how I.
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  Speaker 3: Should have opened the show. H and g h G
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  Speaker 3: hi and goodbye, Hi.
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  Speaker 1: And Goodbye, Oh with our little sweet baby girl, our
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  Speaker 1: little Gabby from now and then that was so cute.
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  Speaker 1: Is this her first role?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, actually I don't know. I think not, though, go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: She was very talented, and I guess she's always been
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  Speaker 1: very talented, and it was so nice to revisit her
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  Speaker 1: and have like a friend in like, oh, yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely not her first movie. I totally forgot. She's in
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  Speaker 2: Field of Dreams. Oh, Field of Dreams, which came out
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty nine.
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  Speaker 1: And then Who's a Little Boy. It's not a ad
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  Speaker 1: Jason or a James, is it. It's not the thing
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  Speaker 1: that would one day be Max in goof Troop.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think he went on to do anything else.
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  Speaker 3: If memory serves watch him to Bee Wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Oh he was really good too, Ross Mallinger.
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  Speaker 2: And he doesn't have any acting credits beyond two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and six, and it's you know, not a lot. Well,
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  Speaker 2: he actually wasn't the original Jonah.
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  Speaker 3: They had a kid and the mom.
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  Speaker 2: Was like over coaching and it got to be too
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  Speaker 2: much for like everyone else, so she's like it's not working,
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  Speaker 2: Like he's not she's working. She's like whatever, she's doing
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  Speaker 2: is not getting the product we need. So they fired
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  Speaker 2: him and hired this other kid who ended up being
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  Speaker 2: perfect perfect.
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  Speaker 1: He was the perfect kid. Is this Tom Hanks and
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  Speaker 1: Rita's origin story?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, just shooting down all your questions.
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  Speaker 1: Because all this lore. I thought this movie was more
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  Speaker 1: exciting than it was now.
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  Speaker 3: Chester Hanks was in fact on set during the filming
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  Speaker 3: of this movie.
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  Speaker 1: And so was Colin Hanks. Oh, both of the boys.
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  Speaker 1: Stop it. Chester was too apparently. Oh, I don't have
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  Speaker 1: any place to put my own hand now because Penelope
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  Speaker 1: has decided that now would be the time that she
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  Speaker 1: would like to spend time with me.
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  Speaker 3: Of course it is.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, this is Brandty, this opportunity to remind you all.
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  Speaker 2: to join in on the conversation. Also, if you're watching
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  Speaker 2: even after the live ends.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, Okay, Well, then I'll do my actual note
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  Speaker 1: that has something to do with the movie. Okay, this
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  Speaker 1: has got to be the unsexiest that Bill Pullman has
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  Speaker 1: ever been.
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  Speaker 3: Because of all the allergies and the sneezing.
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  Speaker 1: And allergies, the simping, the grandma's china, and like, I
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  Speaker 1: get it, they're trying to make him not be sexy
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  Speaker 1: Bill Pullman. But I was like, out of everyone you cast,
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  Speaker 1: you cast the very sexy Bill Pullman.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what, though, See, I didn't mind him
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  Speaker 2: being this way because here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what make what it does for me, And maybe
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  Speaker 3: I'm the only one.
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  Speaker 2: You have Tom Hanks, who's a mildly tractive dude, but
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  Speaker 2: he's the charismatic one. And then you have Bill Pullman,
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  Speaker 2: who is very attractive, but he's got a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of a nerd factor that you know, you find in actuaries.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what kind of makes it a brilliant pairing
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  Speaker 2: because it's not Meg Ryan running off to be with
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  Speaker 2: the sexiest man alive. It's Meg Ryan leaving one fella
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  Speaker 2: who is perfectly fine and good and loves her to
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  Speaker 2: pieces and cares for her and is you know, wonderful
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  Speaker 2: and lovely for another man who is wonderful and lovely.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not like she's escaping a horrible relationship. They
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  Speaker 2: don't give Bill Pullman anything like awful other than like
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  Speaker 2: his food allergies. Like he doesn't have some sort of
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  Speaker 2: like closet like grossness about him that we discover. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: like I was watching is like I'd marry him. I'd
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  Speaker 2: marry him.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I love ready he loves Bill Pullman. Uh. I
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  Speaker 1: like how you're just like, you know, she just jumps
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  Speaker 1: from like one good guy to like another great relationship.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, we don't know that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, as they meet at the end, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They meet at the last three minutes of the movie,
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  Speaker 1: and they just immediately start holding hands, And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I've been dating people for months and haven't held there.
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  Speaker 3: Well, here's okay.
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  Speaker 2: So here's why I feel like it's one great guy
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  Speaker 2: to another great guy. Because of the way he talks
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  Speaker 2: about his ex wife, because of the way that he
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  Speaker 2: is with Jonah, because of the way that he is
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  Speaker 2: with his friends, Like he is attentive to Victoria in
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  Speaker 2: a way that a lot of men aren't attentive to
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  Speaker 2: their partners for even twenty years in a relationship, So
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  Speaker 2: it's not like, you know, it's not like he's a
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  Speaker 2: piece of trash.
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  Speaker 1: But that also brings up my point that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the second September blog post for till All the Men
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  Speaker 1: I've tolerated before is about this idea that crushes are
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  Speaker 1: just a lack of information. And it wasn't just Meg
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  Speaker 1: Ryan who heard this kid on the radio and then
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  Speaker 1: his very grumpy father got onto the radio and was
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  Speaker 1: charming and had some jokes, and it wasn't like Meg
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  Speaker 1: Ryan was like, oh, against all odds, I've decided that
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  Speaker 1: he is the object of my affection. No, every woman
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  Speaker 1: in America who listened to that radio program was sending
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  Speaker 1: him like nudes via the post mail office.
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  Speaker 2: Except for Rosie o'donnald. She wasn't except for Rosio o' donald.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I really do miss having Rosie o'donald in
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  Speaker 1: all movies. And when I looked up the cast to
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  Speaker 1: confirm that that was Bill Pullman, she's not even like
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  Speaker 1: one of the top actresses that they list on IMDb.
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  Speaker 1: So when she showed up, it was a complete surprise,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, it's my friend, Rosie. You've never
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  Speaker 1: seen this movie before, right, I'd never seen those mode before. Natalie.
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  Speaker 2: By the end of this hour, if you fucking ruin
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  Speaker 2: this movie for me, we're done.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry. I didn't say anything to ruin this movie. I
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  Speaker 1: was just saying that, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I was just giving you. I was very scared.
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  Speaker 2: I got scared, and I got defensive, and I'm very sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I just thought that it was a coincidence.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, that's a good point though, because
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  Speaker 2: here's the thing. We all have crushes on celebrities. We
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  Speaker 2: all ship ourselves with celebrities, right, It's the same thing,
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  Speaker 2: except this is enormy well in my post.
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  Speaker 1: Is just all about how because one of our mutual
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  Speaker 1: friends was like, the thing that's fun about crushes is
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  Speaker 1: that you don't know anything about them, And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: one hundred percent. They are literally just someone that you
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  Speaker 1: project all of your hopes and dreams onto and they
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  Speaker 1: can't disappoint you because they are a stranger.
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  Speaker 2: Right. So that's why I say I never meet your
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  Speaker 2: heroes too, right, Like, because you've built them up in
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  Speaker 2: your mind in a way. The thing is, though, is
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  Speaker 2: that she's built him up in her mind, but she's
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  Speaker 2: also doing research on him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's also stalking him.
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  Speaker 2: They're so like stalking, so she's getting confirmation for the
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  Speaker 2: things she believes about him because of this research.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and it's just one of those things where
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  Speaker 1: it's like, so she's in this pretty a I mean,
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  Speaker 1: her and Bill Poulman are living together. They're not just
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  Speaker 1: like engaged. They have a home together with his like
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  Speaker 1: sleep apnea machine and everything, or his humidifier or whatever
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  Speaker 1: it was. They were putting mineral water into humidifier humidifier.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, she's got she's got a job, she's
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  Speaker 1: got Rosie o'donnald, she has a pretty fulfilling and complete life.
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  Speaker 1: And then you just kind of get the itch. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, this is what I feel like is the
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  Speaker 1: problem with dating apps is there's always that idea that
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  Speaker 1: you have the itch, that you could just move on
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  Speaker 1: to some better and that Ryan listened to fifteen minutes
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  Speaker 1: of a radio program, looked at Bill Pullman and went
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  Speaker 1: herre you great? And I don't fault her because I
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  Speaker 1: believe that we should be asking ourselves every day is
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  Speaker 1: our partner great? And if the answer is no, you
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  Speaker 1: should kick them out of your house.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and she even has that scene where she goes
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  Speaker 2: to her brother and she's like, I'm crazy, Like this
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  Speaker 2: is insane.
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  Speaker 3: Why am I drawn to this person? This makes no sense.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know who he is. He lives three thousand
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  Speaker 2: miles away, Like what is it? Because the underlying theme.
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  Speaker 1: In the movie is that cosmic is.
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  Speaker 2: That fate sort of like fate brings you together kind
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  Speaker 2: of shit?
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, but it's kind of like when I say that,
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  Speaker 1: like I manifested a bunch of stuff. And then my
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  Speaker 1: friend Stephanie also reminds me that I like made friendship
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  Speaker 1: bracelets and business cards and got into everyone's face. So
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  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you manifested getting to meet Erica ehe
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  Speaker 1: but you also did all of this prep work to
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  Speaker 1: make sure that you were the girl that Rika Ishi
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  Speaker 1: would remember. So it's like that light stalking is just like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's fate. I have no idea where any of us
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  Speaker 1: will be on Valentine's Day. And it's like, but you
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  Speaker 1: you do well, And that's her point.
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  Speaker 2: That's her point to her mom in the beginning when
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  Speaker 2: she's like, destiny is bullshit, it's because of it, and
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  Speaker 2: then has an explanation, and same with her brother. She's like,
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  Speaker 2: your subconsciousers, your subconsciousness are.
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  Speaker 3: Just whatever is phrase it, whatever a statement is about.
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  Speaker 2: Subconscious is being attracted to each other subconsciously, right, Like
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  Speaker 2: that's her defense the whole movie.
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  Speaker 3: But yet she is taking all the steps to get there.
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  Speaker 1: And then it's like, and I love this about One
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  Speaker 1: Fine Day too, because One Fine Day also ends in
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  Speaker 1: the last two minutes with you being all like, oh
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  Speaker 1: and now they're together, so and you never get to
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  Speaker 1: see it. You just live this one fine day with
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  Speaker 1: George Clooney and is it Julia robertson Michelle by Michelle Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say that's not their first one together,
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  Speaker 1: and then you're done. And it's like with Sleepless in Seattle,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, she's gonna miss meet her crush and
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  Speaker 1: he's going to disappoint her because he's a real live
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  Speaker 1: man and we're all human, so we all eventually disappoint
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  Speaker 1: the people that we projected all of our fantasies onto.
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  Speaker 1: And how will they how will they handle that? There
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  Speaker 1: is also an eight year old who is very sold
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  Speaker 1: on this idea of cosmic romance, who has to be considered.
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  Speaker 2: Right right, one of the things that I that I
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  Speaker 2: love about this movie though, is that when Sam starts
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  Speaker 2: dating Victoria, he's also like including the kid. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: it's not like a it's not like a Okay, it's
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  Speaker 2: very here's what I'm trying to say. It's very clear.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a package deal, Like this is a packaged thing.
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  Speaker 2: You don't get just me. You have to take both
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  Speaker 2: of us and then her willingness to step into that.
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  Speaker 2: And it got me thinking how often that it's easier
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  Speaker 2: for men to do that than it is for women,
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  Speaker 2: Like women don't get the same grace when they have children.
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  Speaker 1: No, we literally just have to circle around them.
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  Speaker 2: And it's endearing because he's a widower, So there's something
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  Speaker 2: a little bit even more like like there's a romanticism
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  Speaker 2: to that because he's he's a widower.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and then think about how women will idolize a
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  Speaker 1: widower compared to like what men think about dating single
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  Speaker 1: mothers and how you have to like be you know,
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  Speaker 1: if a guy's a single dad and it's because of
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  Speaker 1: divorce and that death, if it's a breakup situation, they
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  Speaker 1: get to like almost kind of like put it under
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  Speaker 1: the raidar that they're a dad because I can get
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  Speaker 1: because normally they don't have any sort of full custody
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  Speaker 1: with their kid, right, But moms have to like literally
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  Speaker 1: be like I am a person who has two children.
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  Speaker 1: Those children go to elementary school, and you have to
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  Speaker 1: set that up very early on because, as we know,
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  Speaker 1: men require a lot of attention, right, and they feel
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  Speaker 1: entitled to it.
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  Speaker 2: So one of the things that I love about this movie. Also,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna switch skeears a little bit. You and I
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  Speaker 2: both have watched Fraser. You and I both enjoy Fraser.
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  Speaker 1: I mean there is a child.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it holds up still, I mean to this day.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a scene where when Sam is talking to
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  Speaker 2: doctor Marsha Fieldstone and she says, go ahead, Sam, I'm listening.
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  Speaker 2: And that is literally what Fraser says every single time
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  Speaker 2: he takes a call, go ahead, I'm listening. And I
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  Speaker 2: thought that was hilarious because Fraser premiered in nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 2: three after this movie, because I think it was the
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  Speaker 2: Fall of ninety three, oh man, and.
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  Speaker 1: The post all was frasier as manipulative as a lady shrink.
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  Speaker 1: Because that lady shrink, I was like, I see what
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  Speaker 1: you're doing, and I do not like it because we
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  Speaker 1: are on the radio.
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  Speaker 3: You horrible woman with me.
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  Speaker 2: That's my Meg Brian impression. No, I don't recall Fraser
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  Speaker 2: being that, at least not to his patients on the radio.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a line. I didn't write it down
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  Speaker 1: fully because I only caught it, but you know.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I know it by heart.
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  Speaker 1: I watched that very heart wrenching ABC television show A
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  Speaker 1: Million Tiny.
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  Speaker 3: A million, yeah, tiny million pieces or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: A million Tiny Things, that's it. And there's a line
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  Speaker 1: that one of them says about destiny, and it's probably
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  Speaker 1: Meg Ryan, it's someone doing a voiceover and they say
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  Speaker 1: something along the lines of oh, I didn't even write
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  Speaker 1: down the line, I just let oh. I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: ABC named A Million Little Things from a line in
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  Speaker 1: this movie, because they basically say that too, like.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, talking to Dr Marshafield Stone.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, radio psychology and psychology and the
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: idea of fate really weaves itself into that show too,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: this very horrendously sad ABC show that I dedicated years
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: of my life too, and then had a panic attack
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: while cooking dinner and just paced my home. The finale
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: was rough. Everyone don't like if you can't do it,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: don't do it.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Dang.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: The series finale a rough one. I have a note
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: about Victoria.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's do it.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: And it takes us back to our review of Return
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: to Me, where I guess in the nineties, the way
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: that men love to show us that they hate it
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: if we're experiencing like over exuberant joy, is to make
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: the one reason to not fall in love with us
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: be that we laugh obnoxiously, like men just hate it
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: when we laugh.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Do you think that that's what Tom Hanks is doing,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: because he has the scene where he tells Jonah, He's like,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I am very curious about this woman and what makes
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: her tick.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: And that is why I'm dating her. He says something
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: about putting up with the laugh, and the kid brings
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: up the laugh a couple of times when Rita and
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Ears come to visit, and every time she laughs, one
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: or two or both of them are making the yike's face.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, So here's my theory about that, And I'm probably
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: gonna get roasted. Because Nora Efron is the queen everyone
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: wants the career she had to some extent because she has.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Lived on all these years after her death.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I think Nora Efron was one of those women who
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: were like, I'm a guy's girl.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, and she's too cool, and therefore she hadn't laughed
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: because only men are funny.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Because I think that when I think about how when
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I think about what all the work of hers that
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I've read, and then also this book that goes into
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the three major movies that she's done, which I want
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: to bring up in a little bit, and then and
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: then just sort of.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: The way that she kind of talks about women, like.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, women whoo. But then also like there's
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: a little there's a little underlying tone of like, but
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I'm one of the cool ones.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't worry, you don't have to try so hard
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: with me. I get it. Do you feel like that
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: carries over into her female characters.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I think it does, because there's there's there's a lot
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: of like, like with this movie, the way that they
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: write Victoria, she the way that she because you know, well,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: there's three writers on this film and we can get
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: into that in a moment, but Nora was the last
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: one to touch.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: It because she is kind of cool with the kid,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and she is kind of cool with like, oh, don't worry.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Whatever happens happens. If he hates me, we'll just spend
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: more time on our own.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I did clock that. I was like, man,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: men hate it when women.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: And the scenes too where yeah, and the scene too
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: where Rita Wilson's characters like telling him about, oh my god,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: it's like affair to remember and then they totally rip
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: her up for that.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: I'm like, that feels very much.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Like like, yeah, that was my next point, Like she's crying.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: That's the only scene in the movie I legitimately can't stand.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: And she's talking about an affair to remember, which is
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: another thing that like weaves its way throughout the entire movie.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: And I mean and there, and then they start talking
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: about some stupid sports movie and I was like, but
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: that is how you guys feel about sports, Like we've
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: all seen you watch the super Bowl. That is how
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: you feel. John thinks that you should marry the stranger
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: from Baltimore because she likes the same picture you like,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: or some sure a baseball player, our man who touches baseballs. Yeah,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: and so it's like, so you guys do feel like
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: that all the time, And you guys do bark laugh
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: and belly laugh and make jokes that are ill timed
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: or laugh at stupid shit, and you guys do get
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: really emotional about the things that you would enjoy. It's
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: just somehow manic and bad and a red flag when
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: we do it, and it plays into our marginalized joy
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: episode that'll later this fall.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why that's kind of where I lean
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: into the whole, Like, I think there's something about Nora
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: that maybe has an underlying tone not ever present.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: But it kind of does seep in.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: And so is it because she's getting notes from the
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: studio about characters or is it because it lies within her.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Right And it just feels it's really lazy, because it's like, Okay,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Victoria's great, she has her own job, she u's successful,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: she's successful, she's kind of hot, she's willing to put
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: up with this kid. What's the one thing we can
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: do to make her so horrifically unattractive that, of course
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Tom Hanks will look at Meg Ryan at a airport
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: and immediately forget his girlfriend. Oh, we'll give her an
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: obnoxious lap. It's the reason why Janice Janet Janis.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Yannis from Friends, Yeah, was a joke. Through fifteen years
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: of friends Justice for Janie. She was nice, she lent Chandler,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: she her all of their bullshit.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: YEP.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: So the book that I mentioned that I held up,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I'll have what She's having is a really good book.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: And she gets into the history of all three of
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: the films when Harry met Sally, Uh, You've Got Mail
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: and Sleepless in Seattle.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: I said, those out of order, but that's.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, and she really gets into.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Like the behind the scenes stuff, hold on, where are we?
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: So by the time it gets into Nora Efron's hands,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: there's been two writers. The first guy whose story it
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: is originally his name is like something like Jeff Archer
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: or something like that.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Jeff arch I was close.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: And he wrote a short story that he then turned
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: this into the screenplay, and I guess before anybody got
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: their hands on it, it was like more sad than anything else.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And then the second guy, whose name I forget because
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: they're all listed on IMDb, came in and added a
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: little bit more comedy, and then Nora came in and
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: did all of the refining and making it really like,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: really like what we have today. And I just thought
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: that was so interesting.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I just thought that was really interesting. I wonder, sorry,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: go ahead, I wonder how it would feel to have
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: it be like really just like a tragic man's tale
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: of being a widower, because you don't really have.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: That, no, And I'm so curious.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, we have two Jillian on her thirty
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: seventh birthday, but.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: It's not the same.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: It's not really the same.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: But it's what's interesting to me, Like I would love
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: to read a first draft or whatever the draft is
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: that you know, Jeff Archer, Jeff arch sent out to
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: try himself, because I'm so curious about like how much
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: of it Because Nora Efron gets all the credit for
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: this movie, all the credit, which it is, and it's
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: probably funny because of her, but I'm so curious to
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: know how much, like how much she did infuse into
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the original story.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: No, I'm dying to know. I don't know. Well, maybe
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: they're auctioning the original script for the writer's strike.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Well we all know I don't have money to buy
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: that shit.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: But one of the notes that I made was this
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: movie has like boomer energy.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: That's actually enjoyable, Like.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: There's a nostalgia factor to it because you have the
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: references to an affair to remember, so it brings us
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: back to time that felt more innocent and free. It wasn't,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: but it feels like it was. And then you do
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: have like the current setting, which is nineteen ninety three.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Mostly the characters are lovable, and there's something about watching
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: it that also feels like a very old film because
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: when they are on the set film shooting the last
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: scene with on the observation deck of the Empire State Building,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: you have that background music that is very much reminiscent
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: and very much present in movies from the forties and
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: fifties and sixties, with it crescendoing to the point where
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: they like come together and then they walk away into
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: the sunset elevator happily ever after, And it's just got
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: all this like heart and nostalgia that makes you feel
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: really good at the end of it and like you
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: just watched a really good movie.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a very sweet film, and it does
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: give you a lot of old film vibes. It just
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: needed a music number. One of them just needed to
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: break out and song. Even Big has a music number.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: He plays hot Cross Buns or something on that giant
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: piano that's not eupfronts style.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: You know that she built that right the observation deck,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Like like somebody reached out to her was like, hey, Nora,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: how did you film on you know, in the Empire
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: State Building observation deck?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Like how did you did you do that? And she's like,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: we built a set. We built it. They don't just
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: let you do that.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Well, And because I guess the way that it is,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: it would have been hard to get any of the
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: angles that they gave us.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Well, and plus the wind and the elements and the
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: tourists and pigeons. Yeah, I just feel like it would
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: be insanely difficult to honestly film on the Empire State Building.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I agree. I have a very serious question.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Sure, do you remember how they're walking Tom Hanks and
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I know and g Ryaner are walking down the street
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: and he's like, women want pecks and a cute butt,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: and he's like, is my buck cute?
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: I thought that scene was really cute. That's so cute.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: It was so cute.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's nineteen ninety three.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: What do women want now?
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: What do I want now? Or do what do women
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: want now? Okay?
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Or you could do twofold I was thinking, if this
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: movie were to get remade, it's been thirty years, nineteen
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: ninety three, what would this movie look like now?
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, the movie would be Meg Ryan having a gay awakening.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: In my book, that's the only reason to redo it nice,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I think. I think it's Billy Eigner making gay sleep
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Listen Seattle, and that's all I want. What do women
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: want now? To turn into dragons and eat our enemies?
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: So I just finished When Women Were Dragons, about women
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: who experienced either such insane rage or such insane pleasure
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: that they had repressed for so long that when it
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: exploded out of them, they shed their human skins and
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: became dragons. And I was like, this is my future.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: When do I get to become a dragon? So that's
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: what women want now, to become dragons, to eat their enemies,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: and to make the White House, to make Mitch McConnell
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: feel scared.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I bet he already feels scared.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: The glitch because I was thinking about it when I
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: was watching the movie.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: It was like one of the things you know.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I don't like, Like, you know, I think marriage is
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: a scam, so like I that's not But I love
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: when Rosie O'Donnell says, you don't want to be in love,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: You want to be in love in a movie, and
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I was like, Yes, Rosie O'Donnell, I do want to
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: be in love in a movie. That is one hundred
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: percent accurate because in a movie it always works out.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: In a rom com, it always works out, and it's
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: beautiful and the right music is set in the background,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: and I don't have to worry about a goddamn thing
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: because it is prescribed well.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: In most real life, love is Bill Pullman, Right, it's
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: your weird ole boyfriend who says something odd to your mamma.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Are you are you? Are you making me choose between
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Dowe Tom Hanks or not sexy Bill Poulman.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Because this is two different questions.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Because Rosie o'donald's she was great.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Because this is the question you really want. Yeah, Bill
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Pullman is the answer, right, Bill.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Pullman is always the answer here. Yeah, but I love
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: There's nothing that makes me feel cozier and more nostalgic
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: than nineties Dowe Tom Hanks. Yeah, with his little baby
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: face before they made him like play castaways and men
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: who were starving to death and he could just have
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: that like little nineties pudgy face.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because the next year is Forrest Gump and he's
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: so skinny in that movie.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll never be covering Forrest Gump because I
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: hate it.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Well, I just don't even know. It's not even a
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: comfort movie.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Like if it's.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say though that I do, like I
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: said earlier, I do really appreciate that this movie is
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: like you have a normal ish attractive looking people like
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: nowadays when you watch rom coms, everyone's fucking stunning, Like everyone,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: everyone's in fit shape, everyone's hair is perfect, their makeup
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: is per everything is just.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Like beautifully curated.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: And then you look at rom coms from the nineties
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: and everyone looks like you could have been their friend,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Like Tom Hanks and or Sam Baldwin and Walter are
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: realistic men that you would run into at the grocery store,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: versus what we have now in rom coms, which is like,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: you know, the most chiseled looking dude with the most
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: fit looking woman, and you're just like this feel this
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: is so far into fantasy that it's not always fun.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Oh you know what makes this movie a little bit
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: different than the normal Plug and Chug that is a
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: rom com or honestly real life dating between heterosexual couples. Right,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: it's Meg Ryan. And I'm not saying that women don't
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: like fantasize about something better or think about something steamyer
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: or whatever when they're in their relationships. But Meg Ryan
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: decides to fantasize the about something better and then act
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: on it. And very rarely do we see women in
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: film doing that. It's always men who were really bored
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: of us, and then in walks the women women they're
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: meant to be.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: With, right, right, And what's great about Meg Ryan is
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: that she has conflict about it.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: She's feeling very like, what is going on?
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I am content with Walter. He's a wonderful man. He
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: treats me, well, what am I doing?
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Whoops?
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: I'm now in Seattle.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Bill Coleman is so classy about it, like he's just like,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I love you.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: But let's set that aside for a moment, like, sir, Yeah,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: that was such a beautiful moment for him.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: It's a very sweet movie, and I do. I wasn't
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: prepared because I haven't watched the nineties Tom Hanks movie
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: in a while, mostly because my favorite one is Big,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: and now that one's weird. Can't watch Big anymore. It's weird.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: But I do love nineties Tom Hanks, like I love
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: a League of their Own Tom Hanks, and I love
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Splash Tom Hanks.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, but I love that the year before Tom Hanks
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: and Bill Pullman were in a movie together.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: It's almost like, why didn't you give us more movies
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: with Bill Pullman and Tom Hanks?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Where's our rom com about Bill Pullman and Tom Hanks
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: falling in love and being friends? With my other rom
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: com where Dave Patista and Jason Momoa are in love? Right?
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: And then the next year in nineteen ninety four, Bill
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Pullman stars and While You Were Sleeping, which.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Is like, uh, another really weird nineties rom com that
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I'm in love with. I love When You Were Sleeping?
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, and I love his character in that movie, Like,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I'm still.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Very attracted to the man who was in a coma
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: and When you Were Sleeping? Yeah? What's usually? Am way
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: better about his name? Because I'm so attracted to him.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: He was in Grays and Frankie.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's in Center Stage.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: In Center Stage, my favorite ballerina movie. Why favorite name?
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Excuse me, Humphrey, No, Nope, nope, hold.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: On, He's my favorite.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Peter Gallagher.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Peter Gallagher. I have the hots for Peter Gallagher. Even
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: when he's like the young sixty something on Grayson Ringing,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Peter Gallagher still, he has it. He's aged beautifully.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: The only time I didn't have the hots for Peter
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Gallagher was when he was in Oh that singing show
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: that I loved, Zoe's extraordinary Oh yeah playlist Yeah, And
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: and it was because he he was like, he was
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: just sitting yeah. But when he would like when she
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: would have like so with him, I was too busy
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: crying yeah to be attracted, And I was like, why
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: are we doing this to Peter Gallagher. He's like John
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: h Patrick Stewart, Patrick Stewart every year, I'm like, Patrick Stewart,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: what did you drink to make sure that you never change?
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a theory that white men who aren't
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: racist to age, well, they're given the grace of agelessness. Okay,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: John Hugh Jackman, I don't know if Patrick Gallagher.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know any Patrick Gallagher.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Just combined that they had a baby.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know any details about his personal life, but
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: it is like.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Because I was ready to like be bored because I
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: believe that romance, Yeah, because I believe that romance is dead.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, Joe, this is gonna make me
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: watch a rom com. And it's not a rom com
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: that I already have a lot of feelings towards, like
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: ten things I Hate about you, or how to lose
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: a guy in ten days or never been kissed or
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: any of it. Like I go, it's just a it's
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: just a rom com from the nineties, which I will
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: say that the rom coms of the nineties are a
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: different caliber all in themselves completely completely, because they do
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: lean more towards quaint and sweet and believability, keeping with
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: like the weird, like so you just you heard his
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: name on the radio, and now you're in love with
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: him because of some light like stalking okay, okay, like
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: one fine day when when you were sleeping splash even
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: with a mermaid, I believe it. Yeah, And now we
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: just have these like really over the time up like
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: formulate rom coms where it's like, well, these two pretty
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: people ran into one another in a room, and now
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: there will be windings.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Well and that's it, right, Like there's something about rom
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: coms today that don't really.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Feel like they have that.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Sort of whimsy that the nineties had because well, Bro's
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: kind of had it, though, Like I feel like really
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: captured it really, really well, and like when a current
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: rom com has that feeling where it can be in
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: the caliber of you know, when Harry met Sally or
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: while you were Sleeping ten Things I Hate about You,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: you know, it's really it's like, you know, the writer
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: probably had an affection for those films and actually knows
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: how to like work within the genre in that way,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: because there are a lot of people who try, Like
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of rom coms out there that it's like, well.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: You tried, you really did try.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I watched one over the weekend called what was it
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: called Love It First Sight or something like that, and
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: it was based on a book and it was.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Like the Airplane one is that it has the girl
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: from White Lotus, White Lotus Season two. She's hate Lucy.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: She has a name, little Cutie. I want to watch it.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: It's the one that I saw a preview four and
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I was like, I hate romance movies, but I'm gonna
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: watch it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: And I feel like it's not.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: It's not it's like a It doesn't give me the
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: nostalgia the way that like when Harry Meant or like
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: the way Sleepless in Seattle does, because that's what we're
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: talking about today. But it definitely had those elements where
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: you're just like, this feels more like having that whimsy
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: about it that these nineties rom coms have. And I'm
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: not saying like while you were Sleeping is whimsical, like directly,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: but there is some underlying current that makes you feel.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Like, well, I really truly believe that this happened in
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: real life.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: It was fun, do you know?
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: And maybe I'm the only one because I just want
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: to live in a button the prom com.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: But do you know what rom com? I think is
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: really cute and not believable at all, and yet they
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: made me believe it. Tell Me Marry Me with j
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Lo and Owen Wilson. I love that movie. That movie
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: is going to end up one of my comfort movies.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I love the soundtrack.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the soundtrack's really good.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I love that j Loo's back in rom coms. I
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: love that we're geting this renaissance where all of my
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: favorite ladies are back in their rom coms and they're
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: like fifties. I'm like, oh, that's what I'm saying.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like Marry Me has all of
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: the elements that make you sort of feel warm, fuzzy, nostalgic,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: and even though it can't it probably wouldn't happen in
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: real life, you believe that it could happen in real life.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I mean that kid could never get on
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: a plane by himself anymore. No, can we talk about.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: All the things that could never that just can't happen
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: anymore more in films because of our how drastically our
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: culture has changed.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Well, Number one, Like, that's frightening to think that in
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: the nineties, I at any point could have just put
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: myself on a plane at eight years old.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: While they lied and said he was twelve, because they
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: did be an unaccompanied minor, which I means still to
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: this day at twelve you can be an unaccompanied minor.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: I've never been one.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: So because as you know, I hate home alone because
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: of the whole concept that they got all the way
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: to France and realized that they was gone, yeah, and
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is bringing up
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: all of my abandonment shit and the I'm not important
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: enough for you to even realize I wasn't on the plane. Shit.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah I hate movies where the whole gig is that
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: you left your kids somewhere. Yeah, yeah, be more responsible.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: But yeah, some white people shit, honest, some white people shit.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Uh the kid getting on the plane because number one,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: travel agents, like are it's not like really a thing anymore.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I I still have traveling shows. I know people still
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: have travel agents, but like it's not like.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah in nineteen ninety three for sure.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and hey, falling in love with someone via the radio.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Also true.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: We don't have a lot of call in shows anymore
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: either on the on the radio. No, we really don't
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: have like a lot of call in shows. Like I
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: feel like there were call in television shows too.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah trl trl You know what the other thing is?
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: So I have this really, I have this memory that
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I conjure up all the time. Oh my gosh, I'm
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: so sorry, Like my throat is like having a moment
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: because when CM and Jonah take Veronica to the airport.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Victoria what's her name?
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Victoria?
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, I was like we called her Mcroonica. You did
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: like it was Riverdale, like they were about to be
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: a threaple.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: When is Sam and Jonah take Victoria to the airport
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: and they're standing at the gate with her and just
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: having this little chat, and then you know, the next
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: gate opens and Annie walks out like these are things
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: that can't exist anymore. And one of the memories that
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: I have that I love the most well, my grandma
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: passed away in nineteen ninety nine. We had to fly
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: to Ohio to go to the funeral and it was
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: a really stressful time because we knew what was coming.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: She hadn't been well.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: But also like it's really expensive to fly from a
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: coast to the middle of the country, Like no one
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: does it, so there's not a lot of flights.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: It's really expensive.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: So after all this stress and frustration, we finally get there.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: We're on the plane. I don't know what time of
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: day it is. I couldn't tell you what dave of
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: the week. I couldn't tell you when it was. It
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: was October of nineteen ninety nine, That's what I remember.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Sitting on the plane and I'm looking out the window
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: and I see my uncle and my cousins standing there
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: and there was something so grounding and peaceful and comforting
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: knowing that they were there waiting for us to receive
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: us off the plane. And then when I think about
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: all the times that I travel and it's stressful trying
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: to find the person who has been charged with picking
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: you up from the airport.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Made me, it makes me nostalgic for the time when
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: it used to feel good to be received. I mean,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: it still feels good once you get there, but there's
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: all this added this there's yeah, because you're not a
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: layer of stress because you can't sit your car there.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: You can't.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: You have to loop around.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: There's cell phone lots, what if I pulled into the
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: wrong area kind of shit, And it's just not you
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: have all this extra stress now.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: So when you finally.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Relieve that tension because you get to hug your loved one,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: but it's like you don't need that stress, Like that
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: stress is unnecessary.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: It's self inflicted.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: You mean the safety theater, the safety theater they call
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: it something else. They call like they call tsa something
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: and it has theater in it. Oh that's funny, but
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: it's basically how it's all a scam and nothing that
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: they do is actually keeping us safe on playing.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't fly enough to make that kind
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: of judgment call, but I do know having flown recently,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: it was like, this is really fucking stressful. Where is
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: my person who's supposed to pick me up?
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's horrendously I in my adult life, I've only
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: truly flown alone unless I'm going with someone on a
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: business adventure. Yeah, and travel traveling alone because there was
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: like no sense of community at the airport, Like you
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: can't you can't watch anyone's bags because that's a.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Felony, right, You can't leave your bags anywhere on accident.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: You got to wrestle your suitcase into the bathroom stall
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: with you and then wrestle it back out. No, flying
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: is terrible. And I do remember being a kid and
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: like picking people up from the airport and that being
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: fun or taking One time, I think it was when
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: we went to Disney World when I was in fourth grade.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I think my dad got us a limo to take
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: us to the That's funny because we didn't have because
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: there was no uber so you had to let rent
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: a car anyways. Yeah, but yeah, so well move.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: There's a scene where Rosie calls Meg and it's like,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: now you've got me listening to this garbage.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Turn on your radio.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: She goes downstairs, turns it on. Oh no, that's not it.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I do love that scene. But what I want to
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: talk about is there's a scene Bill Pullman's are already
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: out of town. Meg Ryan's grappling with her emotions. She
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: walks downstairs restless. She picks up an apple and starts
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: peeling it. And she's peeling it and the peel is
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: coming off in one cral.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't I miss that due So.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Then several scenes later, not the next scene. Several scenes later,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Jonah has this dream that's yeah, a nightmare wakes him up.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: He's crying in his sleep and he's like, I just
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: the boat I'm forgetting.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Mom, Like, tell me about her.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: And Tom Hanks says, she could peel an apple and
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: keep the peel in one curl. But they're far enough
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: away from each other that it's not like we're telling you,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: we're showing you this, and now we're telling you this.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: It's far enough away from.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Each other to be like, here's something about Meg Ryan,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: here's something that same thing that Sam loved about his wife.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: They're meant to be cute. I didn't catch it.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I've been watching this movie for thirty years.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I don't. I know. It was my first time. It
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: was my first time watching Sleepless in Seattle. It was
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: very cute.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Do you think you'll watch it again?
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't really rewatch things. Also, I
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: had to pay four dollars. No, I didn't. I had
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: to watch it on free v or no Roku, and
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I had to watch it with ads.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Oh that sucks.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Commercials break up the yeah vibe. It is getting harder
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: to find nineties movies on the streamers, Like we're getting
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: far enough away to where they've started to fall off.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: H this is why millennials buy DVDs. We don't trust
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: the streamers.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: We don't, But I don't know. Like if someone was like,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I want to watch sleep Listen in Seattle because it's
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: cold and I'm cozy, and I'd be like, oh, I
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: turned on Sleepless in Seattle, Like it's very easy to
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: get me to rewatch something as long as it's not Logan.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I don't want to rewatch Logan. That was traumatizing. We
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: don't want you to do that. Hereditary though, would watch
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: every day of my life. I will never watch that movie,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I know. And it's a real shame because you're missing
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: some grade A storytelling and acting by miss telling you.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: I'll just read the script.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Then, Okay, do you want me and our friends to
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: just reenact the script to you?
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: No, I'll find it online to read it. If it's
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: great a storytelling. I want to know, but I also
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: don't want to be scared.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: I am kind of bummed that this isn't Tom and
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Rita's origin story because I was like, oh, look, they're
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: so young. Yeah, maybe this is their origin story.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Had one baby by then, the one, the one that
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: everyone wishes would stop.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Talking are they?
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Are they a product of like a we were sneaky
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: on a set because we had other people in our
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: lives kind of romance? Yeah, okay, and that was I.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Was earlier in the eighties, not like early eighties, but
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: like it happened in the eighties.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Why do you think Rita Hanks didn't have as big
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: of a career as she could have had? Like, there
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: are these women that I'm always I'm like, why were
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: you never in a leading position?
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: Hmmm?
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: That's like a question because she's if I feel like
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: she's in every Tom Hanks movie. Because Nora Efron when
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: she took over this script, she was like, I'm writing it,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: and I'm writing it for Tom.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: And Meg like that is non negotiable.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know if she said it was non negotiable,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: but she basically was like, that's who's in it, That's
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: who I'm writing it for.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: And then when I think about what I was kind
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: of looking.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: At because it says in the book Colin and Chet
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: were both on set right, so it's like, let's look
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: it up. And Rita is in a lot of Tom's movies.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Tom puts his kids in movies, like Colin's in a
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: bunch of his movies when he was younger.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: And then a man.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Called ov Auto, Oh Auto Auto. The book is called
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: a man called he put his youngest one in it.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: So like I don't know, maybe Tom was like, I
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: love you, but stay at home with our children.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: That feels like scientology Tom, Or.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Is it because she has a birth she has a
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: successful country music career.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Does she? Though I don't know, I was today like
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I believe it was twenty twenty three when someone said,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: you know, Rita Hanks has a country music career, and
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I'm like, when when did that happen? Was she touring
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: with Dolly? When someone tell me when?
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Because she is?
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, she's really good in that scene where she's
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: talking about an affair.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: To remember, it's always it's her. Joan Cusack is one
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: that I'm always like, Yeah, why didn't she ever get
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: her own movies? Juliet Lewis sometimes falls into that category
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: for me, where it's like huge in.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: The eighties and early nineties.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: And then it just stops, and I think that she did.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I think Juliet Lewis actually legitimately focused on her rock career.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about Rita's country career.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: That's how Wilson literally has like a movie every year.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: Sometimes multiple movies since the nineties.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: She a lead, No, that's what I'm talking about. No,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: she is not a lead. It's these women that you
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: see all the time and you're like, where's your leading movie?
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Like I was so happy when Circle of Friends, which
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: is a book that my mom loved, so I got
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: to watch that movie very very young, and I thought
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: that everyone had sex on a towel because one of
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: them is losing their virginity and she puts down a
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: towel and I was like, that's odd. Is that what
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: we're supposed to do? So anyways, so after that movie
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: made it so Mini Driver was in all of the
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: movies and she was leading movies, I was like, this
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: is my favorite Marissa to my Whenever Marissa to me
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: is the headliner of a movie, I'm so excited. But
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: I also but I look at them and I'm like,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: you could have been Julia Roberts, you could have been
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Sandra Bullets, Like, I wonder, there's not that much differentiating
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: your talents.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Well, and I wonder then if it's if it's deeper
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: than that, and what the Hollywood stories are behind it,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: because you know, as we learned with everything when it
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: came out about Mira, Max's owner, you know, and him
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: like intentionally stunting people's careers because they wouldn't do things right.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: So I didn't know if we knew that about Rita
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: or really Meg, like Meg Ryan. They won't even call
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: her back for the Airplane movie, right, she's the airplane
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: movie lady. Airplane movie lady. I want to say con
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Air because I love con Air, but it's top gun.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, they killed her off?
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Uh late, Like Tom Cruz's character makes a comment about
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: how when his mom died, we had to blah blah
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and I was just like, you could
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: have brought her back.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Everyone wants to see because I don't me did Meg Ryan?
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Was Meg Bryan married to Antonio Banderas or was that
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Melanie Griffith.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: That's Melanie Griffith.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Meg Ryan was married to Dennis Quaid and their son
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Jack has an acting career.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: He's on the show Boys. I don't know if Boys
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: is still on.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the superhero one? I don't watch it. I
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: don't like it.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: They're like bad superheroes.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I don't like it. I feel like I feel like
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Boys is just a way for male writers to plaint
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: out there like gross misogynistic fantasies and be like, shi, yeah,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: we're making a statement. And that's my piece on that. Yeah,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: But so did Meg Ryan ever end up doing something
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: weird with her face? Because I know that that's why
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Melanie Griffin's Griffith's career ended. Yeah, it was the handle
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: that we pushed her into plastic surgery.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know if it was fillers or
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: actual plastic surgery. But there was a period of time
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: where she was making like tabloid headlines with like Meg.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Ryan's face and you're just like, stop it.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: But she has a movie coming out soon that everyone's
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: kind of losing it forward. She's doing it with David Ducovney.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Oh I later, I've seen the promo for that movie,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: and I was like, what David d'ucoveney and Megran. I
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: think I saw the preview when I went to Bottoms.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: I see the Napoleon because you know.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: Courtney Cox was like, I have to stop doing fillers,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Like I was so mad when you guys said it
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: all looked bad, and then I saw my face on
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: the screen. I was like, uh huh and stopped dirty
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: or something to that effect. So I don't know what
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: the situation is, but yeah, you know, they bully.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Women are bullied.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Beautiful women are bullied into altering their faces and then
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: everyone in the way.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, remember when Jennifer Gray fixed her nose because
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: everyone was talking about her nose and dirty dancing, and
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: then no one would hire her because they know you
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: as the nose meanwhile ears ears Victor whatever, he's just
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: allowed to be on Titanic.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: I wonder too, how much of it coincides with like
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: the natural like conversation of like, well, I you know,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: one of us needs to be more present for child
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: parenthesy children. Yeah, and like how how maybe it was
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: like a coinciding with like, oh, parts aren't coming in
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: as off because that's the thing, that's the thing that
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: you hear all the time, like roles for women over
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: forty are non existent at all. And so in the
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: early nineties, she's not in her forties. In the late nineties,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: early two thousands, she's in her forties.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would love a tell, oh, oh, if
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: we don't think that I'm going to be like using
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: all of the money in my bank account to be
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: like I'm seeing that David Ducovney movie number one. We
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: all know I love David d'covney. We all know that
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: I overlook all of David Ducovney's flaws and I still
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: hold the torch. Yeah, because he's got flaws. I believe
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: that California vacation is just his real life. That's my
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theory.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: I actually agree with you on that.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: I believe that that's just because when he couldn't make
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: it work with Tayloni, I was like.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: What what that talone?
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: It's Tyleoni, She's like a gem.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I really said that we'll never see Hugh Grant in
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: a romantic role again because he chose to be an
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: umpa lumpa in the Walka movie. So that's done. You
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: did it, Hugh. You wanted to make Hi brow art
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: and you put yourself in an oopa lumpa role, and
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: now you'll never play opposite Julia Roberts again.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Well, and there's controversy about him playing the upa lumpa.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: I know, and it I don't know how I feel
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, do you have any other points about this film?
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: I don't. It was just a pleasant movie in Seattle,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: where I've never been, and Rosie o'donald was there. I
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: loves I do love Rosie o'donald. It's always a pleasure
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: when Rosie o'donnald surprises me because I forget how prevalent
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: she was because she is no longer prevalent, and she
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: hasn't been for a long time. Ye when you sent
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: us a clip of her interviewing Tom Cruise before Christmas
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: or something, and she was calling him her boyfriend and
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: doing the whole thing that she used to do on
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: the Rosie o'donald Show. It made me so sad, yeah,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, this is how Rosie felt
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: like she had to survive, and now Cruise is insane.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: I that episode of the Rosie o' donald Show I
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: was so excited about. It's like Rosie's finally gonna get
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: her wishes finally coming true.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Okay, so I recommend that everyone reads this book.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: I'll Have What She's Having by Aaron Carlson. There's a
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: lot of really good, juicy like tidbits in here, one
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: of which is that during the filming of Sleepers in Seattle,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: mcgrian had a very serious stalker who managed to get
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: his hands on call sheets and would show up. So
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: she had a bodyguard during the filming of this movie
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: and yet still gave us a flawless performance.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Damn. Yeah. Well it's because she was doing some light
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: stopping in the movie, so it was just like method acting.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: She did the full Elvis Where's that kid? Is he
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: ever going to be in anything again? Or is he
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: still Elvis? I thought he had something coming up and
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: I remember.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: Anyway, that's not the point, okay, So I am going
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: to tell you that I am still very comfy.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: With this movie.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: I watched it twice in preparation.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: I really did you wait for our discussion?
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it so much.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: I want it to be my life.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: So sad, I have very little if that's what I
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: want in life, right right?
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to tell you that, but
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: you told yourself that.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm self aware enough to know.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, son, are we really doing Armageddon next?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: I thought we were doing parent Trap next?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I need you to know that the still
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: comfy like calendar invite that I go off of sometimes
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: because it's easy to click, says armageddon, and well, you
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: know what happened. What happened?
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: It's if you look at Sleepless in Seattle hyphen Julia,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: and then it says nine twenty six hyphen and then
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: the next line is says parent Trap. So I'm gonna
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: fix that right now.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, there it is. Okay. I was wondering why
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: we were taking next week off.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah we aren't. I'm resending it.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't switch out Armageddon with something else. I'm real
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: surprised about that because I'll I'll pick like a weird one,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: like let's do Armageddon, and then I eventually go I
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: like this movie better. I did that with The Army
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: of Darkness. You pick whatever, girl, pick whatever you want.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: You know, I'll watch it, and then if I hate
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: it or if it stresses me out, I'm gonna tell.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: You anyways next week. I Oh, I was comfy with
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: the movie. I just thought that it was funny that
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: in the nineties we hated women if they laughed. Yeah,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: because like, let's think of all the reasons that we hate,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Like it's just like a pre step because now we
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: hate women if they have opinions, but in the nineties
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: we hated women if they laughed at our opinions.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Like, oh, we've evolved, so we've evolved.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Good for the men they continue to hate us and
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: keep it strong. And but yeah, I was like, oh
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: my god, because it hit me. I was like, oh no,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: that was it. In every movie you could ever watch,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: there's some woman who's not getting dates it all, and
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: it's all because her laugh sucks and she won't stop
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: laughing just because it sucks, and that's what they hate.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: They don't hate her for her laugh they hate that
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: she refuses to quiet down for them so that they're
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: comfortable and they don't have to hear it. Yeah, justice
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: for Janice, just for Janis.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: So next week tell it or tell us what's coming
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: up for you? This week on to all the men.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Sure, This week, on to all the Men I've Tolerated before,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: we are joined by Courtney. I'm not going to try
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: to say her last name because I'm not looking at
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: it and it's more than two syllables. But she is
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: going to walk us through her experience with family court
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: and divorcing and abusive spouse and what our family courts
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: do to protect women and their children when it comes
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: to abusive spouses. Spoiler alert, it's nothing, It's not much.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Then next week we'll be on the Stole Comfy Tell
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: All the Men I've Tolerated before channel for the Parent Traps.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: So I put a cop I think it's I think
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: it's me doubling up.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because remember we did a bunch of your We
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: did a bunch on your channel last season and doing Yeah, it's.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Well, be here doing the Parent trap I'll try to
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: learn the it did it. This was another soundtrack that
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: I was obsessed with as a kid, The Parent Traps
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: soundtrack Fucking Slaps Yeah is full in the way you
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: And then friendship came out of that movie, which I love.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Whose best friendship came out of them?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: Jessie and Meredith best friends and I I.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Know they're so cute. I would like if they get married,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if they subscribe to that lifestyle.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: But if they did, I would be the flower girl.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: I think we'd all be very pleased with their their
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: undying love and affection for each other.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: As I said, the only reason why Sleepless in Seattle
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: should ever be remained is because it's about I'm trying
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: to who's a hot? No? We hate all of the
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: women in movies now, Like, all I can think about
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: is that poor girl who's getting raked over the cold
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: because she was excited for being still white. Oh, Rachel Ziggler,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: I love her.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: I think she's such a so talented.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's Rachel's such a cutie.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: But I think she's like twenty six. I probably shouldn't
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: say that about her because she's.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: A woman So it's Sophie Turner straight off of Jojonah's
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: getting hit by the bus and she's listening to the
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: radio and she hears Rachel Ziggler and she's like, that
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: lady sounds like someone I should get to know. And
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: then they fall in love. And that's the new Sleepless
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: in Seattle.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: There it is, There it is This week on Pop
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: Culture makes Me jealous. We are premiering season five. So
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: season five is all Disney movies and we're diving in
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: and our season premiere features Kelly Perrault, a pleasant creative
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: co She is the graphic designer behind the Jelly Pop's
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: logo and she is designed our website and she's very talented.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: She's just a very talented artist. And we talk about Tangled,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: the twenty ten films starring Mandy Moore and Zachary Levi.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: We talk about the story over Punzel and we just
• 1:07:07
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• 1:07:59
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• 1:08:02
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• 1:08:19
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• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: gonna do TikTok dies, oh, I guess TikTok is the
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: one that'll be love standing.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: They don't they don't own that one yet.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: They don't own that one yet. I was really lazy
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: with my plugs, so thanks for I was like, I
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: don't know, we'll be here, learn my parent Trap.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, my brain is still kind of cloudy. I
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: really actually need to go eat because I think that's
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: my might be my problem. I didn't have enough protein
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: at lunch, and I think that might be part of
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: why I'm foggy.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: Well everyone, there, you go, there, you go do it.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Well, everyone, keep up with your protein. Learn the learn
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: the Trap handshake for next week, and give the soundtrack
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: a listen. I'm gonna listen to the soundtrack. It's so
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: fucking fun and fall in love with people that you
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: only hear on the radio. Maybe it's me but most important,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: or or jewels but most only it's only me if
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: you're David Ducovney, or you're a beautiful Sophie Turner of
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: a woman like love that, but most importantly, stay cozy,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: stay company.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: Bye friends, Bye,