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"Hour of Desperation" as Second Ransom Deadline Looms, FBI Still Searching for Body | Nancy Guthrie · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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  Feels like there it is. There we go.
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  Mike wasn't turned up there. It wasn't Javi's fault.
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  Everybody. That was my fault.
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  We are now in week two of the desperate search, a national
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  search. I would even say an
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  international, not really an international search, but
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  there's certainly interests spread far and wide
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  internationally across the fruited plains and beyond of 84
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  year old Nancy Guthrie. Nancy Guthrie happens to be the
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  mother of T VS Today Show Co host Savannah Guthrie, which I
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  think probably has brought probably.
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  There's no doubt that that has brought way more attention to
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  the case than it otherwise would have had.
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  I, I am not so cynical that I believe that it has brought more
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  law enforcement action than the case otherwise would have, but
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  certainly attention in the media and that has helped as well.
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  A lot of happened over the weekend, a lot happened today.
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  So we're going to get into that a little bit as well as read
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  your comments that you've shared with me on social media as well
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  as here on the live stream. Stick with me.
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  This video contains mature themes and discussions intended
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  only for adult audiences. Viewer discretion is advised.
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  Hello there my friend. Welcome back to another true
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  crime conversation with me, Gavin Fish.
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  I'm so glad that you are joining me wherever you are joining me
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  from. And don't forget to put where
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  you're from, where you're tuning in from in the live chat.
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  I just love that. You know what I don't love
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  though? I don't love missing people.
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  I don't like missing children. I don't like missing elderly
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  folks. I don't like missing anyone.
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  And we have been working so hard to try to get as much.
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  I'm, I'm talking you and me trying to get as much attention
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  on this case as possible because I believe that the more
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  attention that is on the case, the better.
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  Now I live stream Monday through Friday.
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  On Saturday and Sunday, I take the old day off.
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  But over the weekend there law enforcement, nor did the neither
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  law enforcement nor the Guthrie family rested.
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  They continued their search and and they released this video
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  over the weekend. And I want to I want to play it
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  for you. I just need to get to the right
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  button here. Let me.
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  Let's go for it right here. Here we go.
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  We received your message and we understand.
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  We beg you now to return our mother to us so that we can
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  celebrate with her. This is the only way we will
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  have peace. This is very valuable to us and
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  we will pay. That that is the video.
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  So I mean, what has happened since then, though, is that
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  Savannah Guthrie has released another video today.
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  This happened a couple hours ago.
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  She did it via her Instagram and her Facebook page.
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  This one is about a minute 42. Let's let's have a look see.
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  Hi there everybody. I wanted to come on and just
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  share a few thoughts as we enter into another week of this
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  nightmare. I just want to say first of all,
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  thank you so much for all of the prayers and the love that we
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  have felt, my sister and brother and I, and that our mom has felt
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  because we believe that somehow, someway she is feeling these
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  prayers and that God is lifting her even in this moment and in
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  this darkest place. We believe our mom is still out
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  there. We need your help.
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  I want to just pause this for a second.
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  I shouldn't, I shouldn't interrupt, but I get it's my
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  show so I'm going to interrupt right?
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  But they believe that their mother, that Nancy is still out
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  there. Now, when I started asking
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  people on my Facebook page what they thought, I think a lot of
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  us are starting to lose a little hope or the little hope that we
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  had. And it, it seems from this
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  anyway, that there is a belief that their mother is still
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  alive, that, that they have a chance to get her back.
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  And one thing that I need to remind myself of is I haven't
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  seen any of the evidence. Like there's only three or four
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  things that we know. Everything else is being
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  withheld from us. And I, and I think probably a
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  lot of it, most of it's being withheld from the Guthrie's too.
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  But there will be some things like the ransom notes that are
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  not and and having more information than us.
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  She she thinks that her mom is still out there.
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  Let's continue. Law enforcement is working
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  tirelessly around the clock, trying to bring her home, trying
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  to find her. She was taken and we don't know
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  where, and we need your help. So I'm coming on just to ask
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  you, not just for your prayers, but no matter where you are,
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  even if you're far from Tucson, if you see anything, you hear
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  anything, if there's anything at all that seems strange to you
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  that you report to law enforcement, we are at an hour
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  of desperation and we need your help.
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  This is a departure from what she has said before, which is
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  what we need from you is your prayers.
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  Now she's saying, no, we need more than that.
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  This is our hour of desperation. If somebody knows something, say
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  something. And this is reminding me of a
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  conversation that I saw online where actually I think I shared
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  it with you guys. I think it might.
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  It was on CNN or Fox News or one of the one of the cable networks
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  where a retired FBI guy was like, I can't believe that
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  they're only offering $50,000 in reward money.
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  They got to offer enough to make it so that the the people that
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  have her will start to turn on one another.
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  And it doesn't seem like it's happening now, but Savannah
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  Guthrie is specifically asking all of us, hey, if we see
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  something, if we know something or if we think that we know
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  something, call it in. Call it in to the Tucson Police
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  Department. Call it in to the FBI.
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  The FBI is number is 800. Call FBI.
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  It's really easy to remember 1800.
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  Call FBI. Now with that, let's let's pause
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  for a second and check in with all my friends here.
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  See where you are tuning in from.
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  Let's lower this one. See where?
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  Just refreshed on me, of course, Emmy says CNN is live in Tucson.
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  I'm I'm keeping my eyes open. We got San Jose in the house.
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  Who else do we have? Do do do, do do, do, do.
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  Holy cow. Keeps refreshing on me.
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  Central Kentucky is here. South Lake Tahoe is here.
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  Jacksonville, FL Emmy says her grandma in Bulgaria turned 90
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  years old. Happy birthday to Emmy's grandma
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  in Bulgaria. Pretty awesome Ireland is here.
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  St. Augustine, FL Lisa says she
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  loves my hair. Thank you.
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  I it's Oh my goodness, it is getting so so so long.
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  Do you guys ever those of you who have had long hair your
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  whole life, For those who are not in the know here, I'm not a
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  long hair person. I am a person who is growing
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  long hair for a very specific purpose.
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  But those of you that have had long hair your whole life, when
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  you brush your hair and hair comes out in your brush, does
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  that just crush your soul? You're just like, Dang it, I'm
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  I'm I'm growing that. Greetings from the plague
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  island. Oh, and that's that doesn't
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  sound like a happy place. Hop Hopkinton, Mass is here.
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  Ringwood, Oklahoma, Texas, Lexington, West Virginia Bend,
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  OR I have some friends out there in Bend.
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  They manufacture high end audio cables.
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  Wisconsin, Gilbert, AZ Baltimore, MD.
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  Doylestown PA Gambia, SA Phoenix, AZ, Texas in the house
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  Erie, PA and the Republic of Ireland northern Nevada Lehigh
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  Valley awesome Northern Ireland watching from Australia.
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  Thank you all for checking in. OK, there are a couple of items
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  of news and by the way, if anything happens in the news
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  that you're you might be watching live on your devices
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  that you want me to know, be sure to put GF in your comments
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  so that I can see that. OK, the first thing that I want
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  to bring you over to is my my Facebook page.
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  When I posted today what we would be talking about, there
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  are a couple of comments that stood out to me, Paige Walker
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  says I've been following this case very closely, even to the
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  point if I get up in the night, I have to check the case to see
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  if any updates before I can go back to sleep.
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  I think a lot of us are feeling that way.
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  Paige, let me zoom up so you guys can see this.
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  You know, I'm just an armchair detective, but if you abducted
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  an elderly woman with what sounds like a serious some
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  serious health conditions, then why wouldn't you leave a ransom
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  note there at her house or contact them right away?
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  It just feels off. I pray she is OK and I'm wrong,
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  but I don't have a good feeling about this situation.
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  The authorities know a lot more than they are telling and that
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  is exactly how it should be. Just like Coburger, the police
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  said we have no suspects but had his DNA and followed him across
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  the country and arrested him in Pennsylvania.
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  Everyone is saying the police had never seen anything like
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  this in this little town and have botched the case.
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  Well that wasn't the case. I'm curious to the outcome and
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  to see what was truly what has truly happened.
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  Prayers for protection for Nancy and strength for the Guthrie
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  family. That's a terrific comment,
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  Winona says. I feel that she was deceased
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  when she left her home on Sunday morning.
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  I found it very odd that she had ubered 4 miles to her daughter's
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  home. Why would they not pick her up?
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  The photos being taken in the dark at Annie's home could have
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  been from luminol being sprayed. At this point I think they're
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  trying to get her body back. Yes, I do believe someone that
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  knew her well orchestrated the entire situation.
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  Any outcome is going to be tragic at this point.
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  And then a lot of people echo those sentiments saying don't
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  think that they're alive anymore.
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  Pat Longbert is our former admin of the Fish Tank and a frequent
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  correspondent. I think it was someone in the
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  family, she says someone very familiar with her and her home.
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  They took their time. When they were there, it was
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  over 45 minutes. They knew where everything was,
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  where all the cameras were, that she had a doorbell Cam, and no
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  one in the surrounding area saw any unusual vehicles on the
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  street that night. They said when she was dropped
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  off the garage door open and closed, she wasn't driving.
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  I believe that the family member had her go through the garage to
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  get in the house and then made sure the door was unlocked when
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  they left. OK, if I'm right, there's no way
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  she would still be alive anyway. Lots of lots of comments like
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  that. I'm holding on to hope myself.
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  And why don't you come over here and join me on Acrobat for a
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  couple of articles that I want to share with you.
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  This one, it says February 7th, but it was updated a couple
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  hours ago. Latest from authorities is the
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  search for Savannah Guthrie's mother.
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  This is NBC News. This is the very network that
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  Savannah Guthrie works at. I'm going to yadda yadda.
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  Here's what we know. And I just actually the reason I
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  want to show you this is we just don't know much, right?
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  There's the timeline. 5:32 PM she left in her home in an Uber
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  to go to family members house for dinner and playing games.
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  And 9:48 PM she was dropped off where she lives alone.
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  The garage door opened at that time, closed 2 minutes later,
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  1:47 AM. The doorbell camera, we went
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  over this, but you know, the doorbell Cam, the pacemaker
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  disconnects and she didn't go to church and family goes to check
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  in on her. She's not there.
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  And then what they said is what they put here is what the
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  investigation has uncovered so far, it's very little that has
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  come out. The blood on the porch.
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  Her cell phone was left at home. No suspect or person of interest
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  has been identified. It we did see that her car was
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  being towed from her residence over the weekend.
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  We know that she has heart health issues.
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  We really just don't know much at all.
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  We understand that the deadline for the ransom is in 45 short
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  minutes if my math is correct. I might be wrong on this.
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  Like 5:00 PM mountain time today is that second Monday deadline.
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  Couple things from CNN. Ransom letter demands $6
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  million. We learned over the weekend new
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  details have emerged about the ransom demands for Nancy Guthrie
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  safe return, with CNN affiliate K Gunn reporting that the
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  purported kidnapper or kidnappers have demanded
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  6,000,000 and threatened Guthrie's life if a 5:00 PM.
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  Monday deadline isn't met, citing a ransom note sent to the
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  station. So purported ransom notes sent
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  to Kagan and other media outlets demanded millions in Bitcoin in
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  exchange for a return, CNN previously reported.
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  And then of course, they said that they would pay.
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  So $6 million is what we, what we understand is the ransom.
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  This does bring up questions of should we be paying ransoms and
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  is this just encourage other behavior like this?
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  You know, to my memory, to my knowledge, the idea of
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  kidnapping for ransom is an old practice here in the United
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  States. I know it's not so old in other
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  in other countries, but here in the United States, it just
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  doesn't happen very often. OK, so the next thing I wanted
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  to bring was from. CNN says what experts believe
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  the latest video means for the apparent ransom demands.
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  The 4th video posted to social media by the Guthrie family as a
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  direct appeal to the public and could indicate a shift in the
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  investigation as a second purported ransom deadline
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  approaches, experts tell CNN Today.
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  Hosts Savannah Guthrie posted a video Monday today saying the
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  family believes Nancy Guthrie is still out there.
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  Guthrie's possible abductors are demanding $6 million by 5:00 PM
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  today, CNN affiliate K Gun previously reported, citing A
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  purported ransom note sent to the station.
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  The note included a threat to Guthrie's life if the deadline
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  is not met, according to K Gun. Rallying the eyes and ears of
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  people across the country is 1 objective of the video,
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  according to CNN's chief law enforcement and intelligence
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  analyst John Miller. Regardless if the ransom demands
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  are real or not, what she's really saying is we need
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  everybody in the game here. Miller told CNN.
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  We don't want everybody to stop looking.
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  And that actually is a danger here, right?
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  That I mean, when let me just this sounds so self-serving.
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  But last week when we were talking about Nancy Guthrie, we
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  were getting 2000 people watching the show.
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  Right now we have 824 according to my little stream deck here,
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  right? So it we are in danger of losing
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  interest nationally. And that video from Savannah
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  Guthrie saying we need more than your prayers here.
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  We need your eyeballs. And I think this analyst is is
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  spot on. Meanwhile, the Guthrie family
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  has likely not received a response to previous videos
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  directly addressing possible captors amid purported ransom
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  demands, according to CNN senior law enforcement analyst Andrew
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  McCabe. This message does not sound like
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  the message that you would expect to hear from a family
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  that is currently negotiating the return of their loved one,
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  McCabe told CNN. Also a possibility investigators
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  may now believe the ransom demands are not legitimate,
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  according to Frank Filiusi, former assistant director of the
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  FBI Counterintelligence Division.
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  So we're still, we're still wondering, hey, are these are
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  these real or not? Are these demands real?
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  This one from KOLD Savannah Guthrie post new message calling
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  search for her mother. An hour of desperation, man.
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  Certainly we watched the video. I just, I just want to let's
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  see. Oh, yeah.
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  There, there are a couple items in here that I think are
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  important beyond just the video that we watched.
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  OK, so let me just read this. Savannah Guthrie posted another
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  message to social media today, February 9th as the search for
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  her mother Nancy Guthrie continues into its second week.
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  Thank you so much for all the prayers.
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  Savannah said in the video. She also said we believe our
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  mother is still out there, we need your help and added we are
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  at an hour of desperation. The Pima County Sheriff's
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  Department says it will continue to maintain a presence at the
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  home of Nancy Guthrie for security reasons.
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  PCSD says this is at the request of the Guthrie family.
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  I know that there's been some criticism of leaving the scene,
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  releasing the scene, going back to the scene, securing the
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  scene, leaving the scene, going back to the scene, and so forth.
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  Now it appears that they're out there just for security.
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  So that from Kold, I have a couple more.
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  Let me check in to see what your comments are before we really
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  move on here. Remember to put GF in your
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  comments if you want me to see them.
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  Brooke is with us from Baltimore, MD.
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  My grandpa used to say any time there was a oh, Gavin, what are
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  you doing, what are you doing, what are you doing?
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  Yep, Yep. This is definitely a tangent.
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  My grandpa used to say when he had a car that he thought was
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  particularly trustworthy, it was a good runner.
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  He'd say that car can make it all the way to Baltimore, MD.
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  I don't know why he said. I don't know why he chose
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  Baltimore, MD. Ohio Paw Mom.
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  What she doesn't say is that she believes she's still alive.
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  Well, yeah, she doesn't say that.
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  She just says that she's out there.
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  That's true. I, Savannah Guthrie is and her
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  brother and sister all seem to be high achieving, intelligent
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  folks. I I'm sure they understand that
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  the longer this goes, the worse it gets for them statistically.
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  But it seems like she's keeping her hopes up.
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  Mama Sleuth just thinks she wandered away after getting her
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  on her porch. Central PA in the house.
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  Thank you, let's see Gavin. Most recent siblings video has a
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  different tone. Sounds like they want and then
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  it cut off. To me it sounds like they they
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  want help. Doodlebug says.
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  Why is no one connecting the dots with the first ransom note
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  after the sheriff leaked? The cameras weren't working and
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  there's no video. Oh, are you?
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  So is your belief that this is all just a hoax?
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  Is that possible? Is it?
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  What is it? Connie's and Victoria says,
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  remember, we all gave up on Elizabeth Smart.
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  We never give up until we know. Prayers for the Guthrie's.
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  Yeah, the Elizabeth Smart case is a is a very good example.
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  Very good example. We how long was she gone?
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  Like 9 months, something like that.
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  I don't remember the the detail specific, but yeah, you're
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  right. You're right.
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  We all need to to keep a keep our hopes up.
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  Karen over a week without vital heart meds, not a good sign.
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  I'm I'm hoping that they got meds Jude the Tiger spelled with
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  AY very old timey. Very very cool harkening back to
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  the old days. Gavin, I don't believe any of
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  the ransom notes are valid. If they were, they would have
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  been accompanied by specific instructions on the return
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  exchange. I guess I'm just not an expert
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  on ransom notes. The, I think the instruction
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  they gave them was on the on the deposit, right?
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  And we understand that the second note had something about,
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  no, the first note had something about bringing her back to
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  Tucson. So I don't know that we know if
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  they, if there weren't any specific instructions, we
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  haven't seen the note. We've just seen
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  characterizations of the note. Just my two cents.
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  Thanks for the comment Lynn Taylor.
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  Does the pacemaker disconnecting mean it stopped working or just
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  not able to monitor any longer? What keeps a pacemaker working?
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  I'm not medically smart, nor am I.
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  However, from what I understand it was a dis a Bluetooth
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  disconnection, probably due to distance.
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  It probably wasn't. It disconnected because her
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  heart stopped beating. If the heart stopped beating or
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  there was some sort of arrhythmia, the pacemaker would
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  do its job, right? It would shock the heart.
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  So I I think that from everything that I can tell, it
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  is that her person was taken far away from her phone and her
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  watch. Chasing Sunshine says today's
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  post from Savannah is heartbreaking, but more hopeful.
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  Nancy is alive. Let's see, they could use some
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  good press. And if they can, if they can
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  grab Venezuela's president, then they can find Nancy.
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  OK. All right.
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  Cool. Lucy.
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  Fair. Have any analysts commented on
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  the blood pattern on the front step or what kind of injury
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  might cause it? Not that I have seen yet.
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  Not that I have seen yet. Portugal in the house.
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  My wife and I visited your lovely country last.
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  I can't. Was it June?
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  I can't remember now. Last year we went to Porto.
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  Gavin. Dang it.
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  You know what? I got to get better at this.
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  Anyway, spent a little time. Spent about a week in Portugal.
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  It was awesome. South Africa's in the house.
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  No kidnapping, in my opinion. No kidnapping.
• 25:28
  But who knows? Greetings from Argentina.
• 25:35
  Viva la patria la Gran Argentina.
• 25:39
  Thank you very much for being here.
• 25:41
  Carrots, another Veg says. I think the reason they were
• 25:43
  originally in the house for 40 minutes was because they were
• 25:46
  asking about all of the home security.
• 25:48
  Yeah. Could be.
• 25:50
  Could be. If they didn't take her meds.
• 25:55
  It doesn't seem as if they intended to return her.
• 25:58
  Yeah, and he says I doubt they will drive back to Arizona
• 26:02
  because every major artery leading into Arizona will be on
• 26:05
  alert. This is only if they honor their
• 26:07
  word. They will leave her at a remote
• 26:09
  location. Interesting doodlebug again,
• 26:15
  Gavin. Either a horde hoax or the
• 26:17
  culprits didn't leave a note at the house and decided after they
• 26:20
  heard the cameras weren't working.
• 26:22
  Or maybe motive changed after hearing that.
• 26:23
  Too many possibilities. There are a lot of
• 26:25
  possibilities. Mamas Luth medical devices.
• 26:30
  Send to who you set it to send. If you are away from a
• 26:33
  connection, it doesn't send anything.
• 26:35
  Thank you. Hey, Mariana's from Porto.
• 26:38
  Awesome. We enjoyed your lovely city.
• 26:41
  We walked about everywhere. We visited the beach, we walked
• 26:44
  the bridges, the hills and valleys, listened to the music,
• 26:48
  ate a lot of pizza, went to Livre Riolelo.
• 26:51
  We had a good time. Had a good time, Max Assina
• 26:57
  says. I heard she has not been to
• 26:59
  church since COVID. She watches it on the live
• 27:02
  stream. I I don't know.
• 27:07
  OK. Either way, the church alerted
• 27:09
  the family that that she wasn't attending either in person or or
• 27:17
  remotely, Daily Mail reported. The church story isn't part OK.
• 27:26
  Aren't they investigating the daughter?
• 27:27
  We've we've heard all sorts of things.
• 27:30
  Heard all sorts of things. Tina Lucille may be a home
• 27:34
  health aide. If she was taken by someone in
• 27:36
  the medical field, they know how to treat her and have what she
• 27:38
  needs. Maybe love from Oregon.
• 27:42
  Thank you very much. And Emmy says the pacemaker will
• 27:47
  still send electronic impulses even if the host body is past
• 27:50
  that. That's what I thought.
• 27:51
  Thank you, Emmy. Gavin, I think many are missing
• 27:55
  the social engineering part of this.
• 27:56
  I could talk to someone for 5 minutes and find out if they
• 27:59
  have a dog live alone or pay their next bill if you look
• 28:01
  trustworthy. Yeah.
• 28:04
  Yeah. And chasing Sunshine before we
• 28:06
  move on to the other ones if inside our family, wouldn't
• 28:11
  they? No cameras, not recording, so no
• 28:13
  need to smash. Yeah, that's that's a that's a
• 28:17
  good point. OK.
• 28:19
  Thank you to those who are joining us kind of late.
• 28:23
  I'm glad that you are. And if you want to go all the
• 28:26
  way back to the beginning, put it at double time to catch up
• 28:28
  with us, that would be great too.
• 28:31
  Let me go. Let me bring you back over, if I
• 28:34
  may, to Acrobat. I've got a couple of well, I've
• 28:39
  got one that I want to really want to read.
• 28:41
  This one is from TMZ says Nancy Guthrie alleged ransom account
• 28:49
  remains empty as deadline approaches.
• 28:52
  Remember that it's a bit point Bitcoin account that they that
• 28:55
  they gave to three media outlets, which includes TMZ and
• 29:03
  they were able to verify that the account was real.
• 29:06
  This was just reported a couple hours ago.
• 29:09
  A Bitcoin account allegedly set up to accept funds in exchange
• 29:12
  for Savannah Guthrie's missing mother, Nancy, is still sitting
• 29:16
  empty Monday morning, with time quickly winding down on an
• 29:20
  alleged deadline, which is about 31 minutes from now.
• 29:23
  Over the weekend, Savannah and her family responded to a ransom
• 29:27
  message saying they will pay the $6 million demand to have their
• 29:31
  mother returned to them. The alleged note requested
• 29:34
  payment by last Thursday, but it also listed a second deadline of
• 29:38
  today at 5:00 PM local Tucson time, which is Mountain time to
• 29:43
  my understanding. It's unclear how long it
• 29:47
  typically takes for accounts to update, but as of now, the
• 29:50
  confirmed balance in the publicly viewable account stands
• 29:53
  at zero with no transactions recorded.
• 29:57
  On Sunday, the Pima County Sheriff's Department said the
• 30:00
  investigation is ongoing, said they still have no suspects or
• 30:04
  person of interest in the case. Also on Sunday, investigators
• 30:07
  were seen searching a septic tank behind Nancy's Tucson home.
• 30:11
  And I, I have heard commentary on that that is stated.
• 30:14
  Well, maybe, you know, they're probably following multiple
• 30:23
  parallel investigative lines, right?
• 30:29
  As you know, Nancy was reported Mia February 1 after failing to
• 30:33
  show up to church. Her daddy and her daughter Annie
• 30:35
  and her husband Tomaso Sione were the last ones to see her
• 30:39
  just the night before. So that's what that's what TMZ
• 30:44
  has said. And then the last, the last
• 30:48
  article that I wanted to bring to you guys is just illustrative
• 30:53
  of the fact that we know very little publicly.
• 30:55
  OK, the headline is Nancy Guthrie case key evidence
• 30:59
  released so far from Safia Sami Ali.
• 31:05
  OK, so here are the things that we know so far.
• 31:07
  Surveillance camera was removed from Nancy Guthrie's home.
• 31:12
  A Ring camera mounted at the front of the home appears to
• 31:14
  have been removed, a detail investigators are now examining.
• 31:18
  The camera recorded a person on the camera alert at 2:12 AM on
• 31:22
  Sunday. However, they were not able to
• 31:25
  get that video. Item number 2, Nancy's pacemaker
• 31:30
  stopped syncing. Authorities said Guthrie's
• 31:32
  pacemaker stopped syncing with her Apple devices on 2 at 2:28
• 31:35
  on Sunday. Guthrie is considered a
• 31:38
  vulnerable adult, officials said, noting that she has
• 31:41
  difficulty walking, has a pacemaker and requires daily
• 31:44
  medication for heart condition. The third item is there was
• 31:49
  blood found on the porch and it belongs to Nancy Guthrie. 4th is
• 31:54
  ransom letters were sent to news outlets.
• 31:56
  And that is all. That's all that we really know
• 32:01
  in this case. And so, guys, we're just going
• 32:04
  to have to, I mean, listen, I, I don't want to be passive about
• 32:09
  this. I don't, I want us to be
• 32:10
  proactive. We want to live life
• 32:15
  purposefully. We don't want to just passively
• 32:17
  watch as news passes us by, right?
• 32:21
  So if you see something, let's watch that video one more time
• 32:25
  from Savannah Guthrie and listen closely to it.
• 32:30
  And let's, let's do as she asks. Here we go.
• 32:34
  Hi there everybody. I wanted to come on and just
• 32:41
  share a few thoughts as we enter into another week of this
• 32:48
  nightmare. I just want to say, first of
• 32:53
  all, thank you so much for all of the prayers and the love that
• 33:02
  we have felt, my sister and brother and I, and that our mom
• 33:07
  has felt. I think she's saying her mom has
• 33:11
  felt. I think that is an indication
• 33:13
  that she believes her mother is alive.
• 33:15
  That somehow, some way, she is feeling these prayers and that
• 33:20
  God is lifting her even in this moment and in this darkest
• 33:22
  place. If she and as a person of faith,
• 33:27
  if she thought that her mom was gone, she wouldn't say that God
• 33:34
  is lifting her up in her darkest day.
• 33:37
  She would say something like in his warm embrace or something
• 33:39
  like that. We believe our mom is still out
• 33:42
  there. We need your help.
• 33:50
  Law enforcement is working tirelessly around the clock,
• 33:54
  trying to bring her home, trying to find her.
• 33:57
  She was taken and we don't know where, and we need your help.
• 34:05
  So I'm coming on just to ask you not just for your prayers, but
• 34:10
  no matter where you are, even if you're far from Tucson, if you
• 34:14
  see anything, you hear anything, if there's anything at all that
• 34:18
  seems strange to you that you report to law enforcement, we
• 34:26
  are at an hour of desperation. Yeah.
• 34:30
  And we need your help. And.
• 34:31
  Again, that that indicates that that desperation indicates that
• 34:38
  they think maybe time is running out.
• 34:40
  At least that's how I read it. OK, and let's see.
• 34:45
  I just want to check while while we're live.
• 34:49
  Let me see if there's anything any live update.
• 34:55
  Let me mute this tab just in case.
• 35:02
  Let's see, CNN a minute ago says often times it is the public
• 35:07
  that makes the lead, says former FBI agent Brianna Fox, a former
• 35:14
  FBI agent and professor of criminology at the University of
• 35:17
  South Florida lauded Savannah Guthrie's decision to ask for
• 35:20
  help from the public after the shocking disappearance of her
• 35:23
  mother over a week ago. Often times it is the public
• 35:26
  that makes the lead that leads to the end of the case, she told
• 35:31
  CN NS Jake Tapper Monday. She pointed to the Brown
• 35:35
  University shooting in which a tipster who spotted the suspect
• 35:38
  and his vehicle helped crack the case open for investigators.
• 35:42
  The arrest of suspects in the shootings of conservative media
• 35:45
  personality Charlie Kirk and United Healthcare CEO Brian
• 35:48
  Thompson also relied on the broad dissemination of
• 35:51
  information to the public and tips, Fox said.
• 35:54
  I really think that is what's going to break the case open.
• 35:58
  So let's, let's take that to heart and call law enforcement.
• 36:04
  If we think we see something, if we think we know something 1800
• 36:08
  call FBI and then it's easy to look up the Tucson Police
• 36:13
  Department's phone number. I'm not going to give it to you
• 36:15
  now. I, I could look it up and give
• 36:16
  it to you now, but I don't, I, I don't want to just put that
• 36:20
  number out there. I want, I want you to look it up
• 36:23
  so that we're not inundating them with bad tips.
• 36:26
  I want you to think if I have a tip, OK, I'm going to call.
• 36:29
  Go and call. OK, Let's see if there's
• 36:35
  anything else from NBC News real quick before we go on to
• 36:45
  anything else. Let's see.
• 36:47
  Yeah, Two hours ago they just said the FBI said it's agents,
• 36:52
  analysts and professional staff working around the clock.
• 36:55
  Sorry. The FBI said it has agents,
• 36:57
  analysts and professional staff working around the clock in the
• 36:59
  search for Nancy Guthrie. Nothing since then.
• 37:04
  So let's again, let's just not only offer our, our, our
• 37:13
  sentiment, our prayers, our well wishes, let's also keep our eyes
• 37:20
  peeled, see if we see something wherever we are.
• 37:23
  OK with that guys, let's let's move into a little three
• 37:28
  questions, shall we? It's three questions with Gavin
• 37:38
  Fish. How?
• 37:38
  Guys, in this segment, I will answer your questions that you
• 37:42
  sent to me at 3 questions at Gavin fishcom.
• 37:45
  Now look, with these questions that we're going to do today, I
• 37:50
  have nothing left in the tank. There are no more questions left
• 37:53
  in my inbox. These are the final three, which
• 37:57
  means if you're curious about anything, could be case related,
• 38:01
  it could be Gavin related, could be life related, could be
• 38:05
  philosophy related. I mean, I did go to a symposium
• 38:09
  on Aristotelian ethics, so I'm practically an expert.
• 38:12
  I went to that symposium like a year ago.
• 38:14
  I, I, I've got it. No, but any, anything is on the
• 38:18
  table. Nothing is off the table.
• 38:20
  You can ask me anything you want and I will answer it here.
• 38:24
  And if you ask the kind of questions I would love, I love
• 38:28
  the kinds of questions where it's not just about me, it's
• 38:32
  about everybody and everybody can play along.
• 38:34
  I I like to hear your answers so here we go.
• 38:38
  Question number one is have you looked into brewed cacao as a
• 38:44
  beverage to help your afternoon yawns?
• 38:46
  No caffeine. Well Dang it, now the hold on.
• 39:02
  I was doing so well until I read that I was doing so well.
• 39:06
  OK, no caffeine, but the company I buy from says it's high in
• 39:11
  theobromine which helps with energy without a crash.
• 39:16
  I have not looked into brood anything.
• 39:18
  No, I, I have stayed away from everything but water and, and
• 39:23
  I've, I've been drinking nothing but water.
• 39:27
  I hold on. No, I've, I've had like I've had
• 39:34
  what are they called? What is it called?
• 39:37
  I've had protein. I almost had to push the brain
• 39:39
  fart button. I've had protein drinks that you
• 39:44
  know, are made with milk, but that's that's been that hasn't
• 39:48
  been for anything other than like I'm, I'm going to go work
• 39:52
  out or something like that. So I've I've been staying away
• 39:55
  from brewed drinks. No, I don't drink coffee.
• 39:57
  I don't drink tea. I don't drink herbal tea.
• 40:00
  I used to be just a real Pepsi. A consumer of Pepsi products, I
• 40:06
  wouldn't surprise me if their stock has gone down since I
• 40:09
  stopped drinking soda and fizzy drinks.
• 40:14
  I do have the ability to make fizzy drinks here at the house,
• 40:21
  but I've just stayed away from anything carbonated because I
• 40:24
  feel like it's, it's kind of a slippery slope and I just don't
• 40:29
  want to, I just don't want anything flavored, I guess.
• 40:31
  I, I feel like, I don't know, it just feels like it might be a
• 40:34
  slippery slope. So I haven't done it.
• 40:38
  But thank you for the tip. Let's bring this back up here.
• 40:43
  Push the right button. Question #2 how do you feel or
• 40:47
  deal with shows like the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives?
• 40:52
  I feel nothing. I, I don't deal with them.
• 40:56
  I don't I, I, yeah, they're they're not part of my life.
• 41:01
  So I guess I don't care. I remember this is not a tangent
• 41:07
  because this is this is related to to what you're asking.
• 41:10
  I remember back in the day, it was like the original whatever,
• 41:21
  like Beverly Hills Housewives show was on.
• 41:25
  I don't know if that's the original 1 or like Miami was, I
• 41:28
  don't know. I don't know.
• 41:30
  But I specifically had to do with Beverly Hills Housewives,
• 41:33
  whatever that show was called. And I had to be down in LA to
• 41:40
  meet with the people of a celebrity to talk about an
• 41:45
  endorsement that my, that my company was negotiating with
• 41:48
  that celebrity and the people who had connected us with that
• 41:53
  celebrity. I wanted to take him out to
• 41:56
  dinner. And so they, they, they
• 41:59
  suggested this place in Beverly Hills.
• 42:02
  So I went down, I went down with a couple of my coworkers, couple
• 42:07
  of my colleagues, and we met at this at this restaurant in
• 42:12
  Beverly Hills that was packed to the gills, man.
• 42:15
  And I didn't, I mean, I didn't think it was bad, but I didn't
• 42:18
  think it was all that right, especially considering what the
• 42:22
  bill was crying out loud. But when the server came over to
• 42:26
  our table, she was like, so are you here because you've seen us
• 42:30
  on whatever the Housewives of Beverly Hills was?
• 42:35
  No, I'm just grabbing something to eat and I'm going to have a
• 42:38
  meeting in the morning. It was so obnoxious.
• 42:42
  It was so obnoxious to me that it, it just put me off of all
• 42:46
  the, I mean, I'm not like I'm not the, the key demographic of
• 42:52
  those shows anyway. But yeah.
• 42:56
  So how do I feel about The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives?
• 42:59
  I feel nothing. I how do I deal with it?
• 43:01
  I don't, that's just, that's just me.
• 43:06
  Question #3 Do you limit your screen time and your children's?
• 43:12
  I do not limit my screen time because I make my living and
• 43:17
  always have on screen. I, I require screens.
• 43:21
  I am a bit of a workaholic from the time that I'm up to the time
• 43:26
  that I go to bed. I, I typically, of course, you
• 43:31
  know, there are breaks in between there, there's family
• 43:33
  time and dinner time and stuff, but I'm typically at working in
• 43:35
  front of a screen. Our kids on the other hand, we
• 43:41
  we definitely limit that we don't, we don't like our kids to
• 43:46
  just be slaves to the old screen.
• 43:49
  I'd love to hear what you guys think about that.
• 43:51
  I'm not like AI guess I am a bit of a screen addict because we
• 43:58
  have a couch in our living in our, in our bedroom that we have
• 44:02
  had for so long, our glorious purple couch.
• 44:06
  And I do like to lay down there and doom scroll TikTok and stuff
• 44:11
  like that. So yeah, I, I probably should
• 44:13
  limit my screen time. We do limit the screen time of
• 44:17
  our children. And those are three questions
• 44:20
  now. I would like to hear your
• 44:22
  thoughts about, you know, secret lives and housewives and all
• 44:29
  that stuff and your screen time. I'm curious about that.
• 44:32
  And while you're typing that up, why don't we go ahead and get
• 44:35
  into some headlines? True crime headlines, POW OK, a
• 44:46
  couple headlines that I want to bring to you today.
• 44:48
  Just just two. Headline number one comes to us
• 44:52
  from floridatoday.com. Anna Kepner's mom says
• 44:55
  stepbrother to face first degree murder charge is written by
• 44:59
  Michelle Spitzer and this came out on Saturday.
• 45:04
  The stepbrother of Anna Kepner, the Florida teen found dead on a
• 45:07
  cruise ship, is being charged with first degree murder,
• 45:09
  according to Kepner's mom. Remember, this is not according
• 45:13
  we we don't. So far this case is sealed.
• 45:17
  But anyway. Kepner, an 18 year old
• 45:19
  cheerleader from Titusville, FL was found dead under a bed
• 45:22
  November 7th by a person cleaning the cabin she shared
• 45:25
  with her stepbrother and another sibling aboard the Carnival
• 45:29
  Horizon. Her death was ruled a homicide
• 45:32
  and she reportedly died by strangulation.
• 45:35
  FBI officials confirmed they are investigating the case, however
• 45:38
  they have not released any information about potential
• 45:41
  suspects. The FBI did not return a call
• 45:43
  seeking comment. Court documents related to a
• 45:46
  custody case involving the stepbrother's parents had
• 45:49
  earlier revealed the 16 year old was being mentioned as a
• 45:52
  suspect. And the 16 year old's
• 45:54
  stepbrother reportedly appeared before a federal magistrate in a
• 45:57
  locked Miami courtroom on Friday.
• 46:01
  Quote, they are going to charge her 16 year old stepbrother with
• 46:05
  first degree murder and they're going to be some other charges
• 46:08
  brought but I'm not sure what they are yet.
• 46:10
  Until they tell me, I don't know more.
• 46:12
  Kepner's biological mom, Heather Wright, posted on her Tiktok
• 46:16
  account. The roughly 32nd video does not
• 46:20
  mention where she is getting her information.
• 46:23
  I wonder if that links over to Tiktok.
• 46:26
  Let's see it. Hey y'all just mom here.
• 46:32
  I got some news today on my daughter's case.
• 46:35
  They are going to charge Timothy, her 16 year old
• 46:41
  stepbrother for first degree murder and there's going to be
• 46:45
  some other charges brought but I'm not sure what they are yet.
• 46:48
  Until they tell me I don't know. So as of right, that is one of
• 46:54
  the charges and as soon as I know more, I will let you guys
• 46:56
  know. Thank you.
• 46:57
  OK, Okie dokie. So that's how that's how we
• 47:03
  learned about that. Second came to us also on
• 47:07
  Saturday is Luigi Mangione facing double jeopardy.
• 47:11
  Here's what experts say. Double jeopardy is a legal, what
• 47:17
  do we want to call it, concept. In the United States, you can't
• 47:22
  be put on trial for the same crime after you have been
• 47:27
  acquitted of that crime, basically is kind of how that
• 47:29
  goes. Luigi Mangione made rare public
• 47:33
  comments on Friday at New York State Supreme Court after a
• 47:36
  judge declared that his state murder trial will start in June,
• 47:40
  just months before his federal trial is set to begin.
• 47:43
  Mangione has been charged with stalking and murdering United
• 47:46
  Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson and faces multiple firearm
• 47:49
  charges. He has pleaded not guilty on all
• 47:51
  counts. As he was being LED, cuffed and
• 47:54
  shackled out of the courtroom, Mangione turned to the gallery
• 47:57
  and spoke. It's the same trial twice, he
• 48:00
  said, firmly surprising the audience since he has barely
• 48:03
  ever spoken in court before. 1 + 1 is 2 double jeopardy by any
• 48:08
  common sense definition. Mangioni's remarks came after a
• 48:13
  tense pretrial hearing in Manhattan, where Justice Gregory
• 48:16
  Caro set a June 8th date for a state trial.
• 48:19
  Last month, Judge Margaret Garnett, who's presiding over
• 48:22
  the federal case, announced that the federal trial would begin in
• 48:26
  September of this year. If the federal date changes,
• 48:29
  Caro said he would push the state trial to September.
• 48:32
  Mangioni faces murder and firearms charges in New York
• 48:35
  State and stalking charges in federal court.
• 48:37
  He also faces firearms and forgery charges in Pennsylvania.
• 48:41
  Mangione's defense team vehemently objected to the
• 48:44
  summer state trial date. Mr. Mangione is being put in an
• 48:48
  untenable situation because this is a tug of war between two
• 48:52
  different prosecution offices, his lead defense attorney, Karen
• 48:55
  Friedman Agne Filo, told the judge on Friday.
• 48:59
  She said Assistant District Attorney Joel Seidman wants this
• 49:02
  case to go forward because he does not want the potential of
• 49:05
  his case being double jeopardied out because he did all the work
• 49:08
  on this case. Seidman responded that if
• 49:11
  Mangione's defense were to argue double jeopardy, they'd be
• 49:14
  seeking to deprive the prosecution agency, the
• 49:17
  prosecuting agency on a local crime, a murder that happened in
• 49:20
  midtown on our streets of a guest to our city.
• 49:23
  He added that Brian Thompson's family has asked federal
• 49:25
  prosecutors to let the state go first after court.
• 49:30
  He told the press double jeopardy is meant to protect
• 49:33
  people and they're using it as a weapon here.
• 49:35
  It's unfair. So what exactly is double
• 49:37
  jeopardy and how does it and does it apply to Mangioni's
• 49:40
  cases? Put simply, the Double Jeopardy
• 49:43
  Clause of the 5th Amendment is meant to protect a person from
• 49:46
  being prosecuted twice for the same offense.
• 49:49
  This was in Rolling Stone, by the way.
• 49:51
  According to lawyers who spoke with Rolling Stone, double
• 49:53
  jeopardy can't officially come into play until someone has been
• 49:56
  convicted or acquitted of a crime.
• 49:58
  Meaning if Mangioni was found guilty in one trial, his team
• 50:01
  could argue double jeopardy to try and get the second
• 50:03
  indictment dismissed ahead of a second trial.
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  Right now, Mangione has not been convicted in any of his three
• 50:09
  cases. So, oh, let me just do this.
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  These next two and the double jeopardy protections come with
• 50:18
  nuances. For example, the separate
• 50:20
  sovereigns doctrine allows the federal and state court to
• 50:22
  prosecute the same defendant for the same act if the ACT breaks
• 50:26
  both federal and state laws. This doctrine was used during
• 50:29
  the civil rights area era. If a white defendant was found
• 50:32
  not guilty of murdering a black victim in state court in the
• 50:35
  South, for example, he could still be tried for a civil
• 50:37
  rights violation in federal court.
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  Plus, if the crimes are considered substantially
• 50:42
  different and are distinguishable from one
• 50:44
  another, even if they come from the same act, they can still
• 50:47
  both be prosecuted. In this case, Mangione's state
• 50:50
  charges are murder and firearms offenses, and his federal
• 50:54
  charges involve Interstate stalking, which led to conduct
• 50:57
  that caused the death of Thompson.
• 50:58
  So I guess they will argue that the closer Well, they'll have to
• 51:05
  argue it if he gets convicted, I guess.
• 51:08
  And those are your headlines, true crime headlines.
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  Okie, Dokie, let's let's go to your comments out of the woods.
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  Can we put three questions here? You can put them here, but I'm
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  specific rules. Send them to three questions at
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• 51:38
  that. It's because I will miss
• 51:40
  everything here. This is this is AII miss so much
• 51:44
  already. So if you send them to three
• 51:47
  questions at gavinfish.com, I will answer them.
• 51:52
  Let's see. Elizabeth J is saying the Pima
• 51:53
  County sheriff just put out a statement.
• 51:55
  Let's check that real quick. Let's see.
• 52:05
  I don't see, let me see. Any updates on CNN here real
• 52:17
  quick. Yeah, I'm not.
• 52:21
  I'm not seeing anything on my side.
• 52:23
  But send me a link. Let's see.
• 52:30
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  Oscar. The grouchy fish.
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  I'm, I'm. I sometimes do get grouchy.
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  It's true. Carrots.
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  Another veg. Please let Gavin know about the
• 52:43
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• 52:46
  Oh, yeah. OK, Emmy loves the show and
• 52:50
  watches it on Hulu. OK, let's see.
• 52:58
  Kate, Trieta, Gavin. Haven't been on in a while.
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  Have you lost weight? You're looking good.
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  I have. Thank you very much.
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  Yeah, I am working hard. Working hard, Emmy says.
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  Love reality TV like Bachelor Nation.
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  See, I just can't stand the stuff.
• 53:16
  But to each their own, right? Jenny says.
• 53:20
  My answer to question #2 I really dislike reality TV.
• 53:23
  Just not my thing. So those shows aren't anything I
• 53:25
  watch. Brian Anton has a short of the
• 53:31
  sheriff's statement. OK, let me awesome guys, thank
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  Okie dokie, let me unmute here and just see.
• 53:55
  Hey guys. All right, so there's a new
• 53:56
  statement from the Pima County Sheriff's Office.
• 53:58
  I'm going to read it to you. It says we do not have any
• 54:00
  additional information to release publicly this afternoon.
• 54:03
  The investigation into Nancy Guthrie's disappearance remains
• 54:06
  active and ongoing. We understand the significant
• 54:08
  public interest in this case. However, investigators need time
• 54:11
  and space to do their work. If and when relevant information
• 54:15
  becomes available, it will be shared.
• 54:17
  They say there's going to be no press briefing scheduled right
• 54:20
  now unless something happens. And then they say many of you
• 54:23
  observed an active law enforcement presence at the
• 54:26
  Guthrie residence over the weekend.
• 54:27
  Yes, we did. That activity will continue
• 54:30
  tonight and into tomorrow as part of the ongoing
• 54:32
  investigative process, including the expansion of the search and
• 54:35
  follow up on new leads. So that's interesting there.
• 54:39
  I don't know if we're going to see them coming back out here.
• 54:42
  This is all part of the investigative process as the
• 54:44
  search for Nancy expands and new leads come in to preserve the
• 54:48
  integrity of this criminal investigation.
• 54:50
  Details of that process are not being released at this time.
• 54:53
  It's interesting that they say new leads are coming in.
• 54:57
  So that's kind of the latest. Some thoughts on Nancy.
• 54:58
  Saw some just in the car but I'll keep you guys posted.
• 55:02
  Brian's got a good stick man. He's on the road.
• 55:05
  Cool guy. I like him.
• 55:07
  I like him a lot. Let's bring up Nancy's photo
• 55:09
  while we're talking here. Anything else Jenny says?
• 55:18
  I do not limit screen time unless it's affecting school
• 55:20
  work. Kids are so busy between school
• 55:22
  and extracurriculars that they don't have much extra time on
• 55:24
  screen anyway. Very good.
• 55:29
  Yep, I saw very good. Brian Anton, now he is live.
• 55:34
  OK, good. I got it guys.
• 55:37
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