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- Daniel (Pacco): To be honest, it was my wife jumping in on something like that I think she'd be like screw this and go to bed wedding days Come on, you don't want to be in this family. Like I guess everyone gets along with family, right? But I mean, come on Sam: Hi everyone, my name is Sam and welcome back to Pileofmates I'm joined by two of my really great mates who I just don't get to see that often, so I thought, hey, let's just chat to them on a podcast and maybe I'll get to speak to them. Let me introduce you again to Corey Middleton. Corey: Hello? Sam: And Paco. Daniel (Pacco): How's it going? Sam: So last week we watched Ready or Not, a lovely horror film starring Samara Weavering, and honestly, I think it just gave us all the the fun times of thinking about how great in laws are. And I mean I do have in laws technically because I am I mean I'm engaged, but I'm not technically married, so you guys have in laws. How did you guys go with this one? Daniel (Pacco): Corey jumping on this one, he's a newlywed. Corey: well luckily I didn't watch it with the in-laws, nah, it was it was good. I I noticed there's like a theme going on. The first one was, you know, with the wife, with the missus, and then this one's about the in-laws. It's sort of not sure if someone's trying to has like a hidden mi message behind this or anything, but Sam: Yeah. Is is the hidden message behind this podcast really do we like our family? Daniel (Pacco): What's the next movie, right? Can we jump straight to that? Corey: Yeah. Sam: Well, let's break down the plot a little bit with this one. Ready or Not was released in 2019. So it's kind of old, kinda new, not just just in the middle there. Nothing too old. And I was surprised I hadn't seen this one. I had wanted to see this for a while and I'm really glad that Paco picked this one because it gave me an excuse to watch it because it's one of those things that was just it was on my list sitting on on Disney. It was like, hey, watch this sometime and I just never got the time for it. So I'm really glad you picked it, Paco. But let's go through Daniel (Pacco): yes. Sam: the plot here. It opens with like a flashback 30 years earlier kind of thing. And I don't know about you guys, but when with these type of when with any type of film, when it flashbacks to 30 years like or thirty years earlier, then it kind of goes forward. I spend all the movie until it feels like it's kind of pops up. I'm like when's relevant what's the wh what's the flashback in I'm trying to 'cause sometimes it doesn't piece, you trying to piece together the characters and am I the only one there that like it's it's it's because it's just so out of the the rest of the film, you're kinda like, when's it gonna happen? When's this gonna when's this become relevant? Daniel (Pacco): Didn't you catch it at the start? Was it Daniel and Alex both the kids calling each other? Sam: Yeah. I spent the first like few minutes being like, hang on, is he the young kid? Or is he the one that was in the cupboard? Is he the one that sort of saw the stabby stabbies? And then it's like thirty years later, it's a it's a wedding day. Totally normal Daniel (Pacco): Thank Sam: stuff. Very normal. Very normal. Daniel (Pacco): you Corey: It s sort of depicted who Daniel was pretty early on though. Like when it went to the wedding and like, you know, the bride and groom are there and then Daniel came in. And then so Sam: Yeah. Corey: straight away we were like, that must be the guy who the little kid that witnessed the murder at the beginning. Sam: Yeah. Yeah, well w one of them witnessed it and one of was just in the cupboard kind of thing. There's like this and I think the one that witnessed is a little bit more kooky in the head whereas the other one in the cupboard is a bit like sheltered and living his best life. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, I guess it kind of foreshadows what the movie's gonna play on about, know? It's fucked up, crazy rich family, and Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Adds context, of course. Daniel (Pacco): history's about to repeat, I guess it comes across like, so, Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): yeah. Sam: Also, they kill him with a spear gun. That's like super violent. Like the Sorry? Corey: And I was like in the chest as well. And I was Sam: Yeah. Corey: like, because later on we'll find out that they're actually not meant to kill them. They're meant to take him into the room and do other stuff to them. like, that arrow to the the chest. I'm like, that could have just easily killed him and ended the whole thing straight up. Sam: Yeah, Daniel (Pacco): No, I just won't know. Sam: yeah, they didn't really Yeah, they didn't really touch on the need to keep him alive, I guess. Until they until they found him. But this yeah, that I d feel like they didn't really the whole film, they didn't really explain the whole the ritual thing. They'll they were very key on they must be alive, but they never really they just they showed it, but it was sort of like why do they need to kill them in a specific ritual? Daniel (Pacco): Well they kind of said that halfway, three quarters in the movie if I remember correctly. They said like, what happened to this family when the game wasn't played or what happened to this couple when they chose not to play the game all night. They woke up in the morning and then they all said, it's a coincidence, it's coincidence. Yeah. Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All here said, she said. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So all very coincidental. Daniel (Pacco): Thank Sam: So we jump we jumped forward thirty years and Alex has bring has brung home his new fiance, Grace, played by podcast favorite now, two time we've talked about her here, Samara Weaving, Australia's own. I must say I really enjoyed her accent more in this film than I did the last one. It was less Aussie and less bad Aussie. As much as I love her, she didn't do a great Aussie accent last time. Corey: She definitely wasn't as annoying this time around. Sam: Yeah. Corey: Yeah, the previous movie was sort of like, god, she's a bit irritating here, but yeah. A lot more pleasing to the ears, this one. Sam: Hmm. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): No, a lot of screaming in this one too, I would say. Sam: Yeah. I mean, I yeah, I would say arguably she had more reason to scream in this one than she did in the last one, so Daniel (Pacco): That's a fair point. Sam: So I have I have a question from this the start of the wedding part of the film. I'd love to know. I feel like there is quite a lot of chatter between them and and they're hanging out before they the w did you guys talk that much to your wives the on the day of your wedding before Your wedding? Daniel (Pacco): I... I... In wedding tradition, I thought you weren't allowed to see the bridal group before the actual ceremony, Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): so... I don't know, maybe they've broken the rules, showing off their brunathum Sam: Yeah. I know you. Daniel (Pacco): that they called it early in the movie. Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah... Corey: It's definitely more of like a American tradition because they normally have like a first look where that the couple see each other before the ceremony. whereas yeah, as Paco was saying, like here, it's sort of yeah, not good luck to see the bride before she she's walking down the aisle. So but it was a bit strange they're in a room together yeah, beforehand. So that was a bit weird. Sam: Yeah, j like just them as well. It felt like there w you there wasn't any like bridesmaids are doing the dress or, you know, the best man be like, Cheer up, buddy, you're gonna you got this, you know. There was no no Corey: Yeah. Sam: tropes. It was just just them at the wedding. Daniel (Pacco): before the big day. Come on guys, what a day! Sam: so the wedding goes all well, everything's all great, and then you know, fast forward. They didn't spend half the movie on the wedding. It was just, you know, blink, the wedding is done. It's wedding night, they're you know, they're about to do wedding night things, and then he's like, Hey honey, hey, before we, you know, get into it, we just need to play a game, a board game with my family. Just heads up, we're gonna go do that in like two minutes. Are you good? And just and She I must say didn't give as much of a fight that I would if I th I reckon if I told my fiance, Hey, we're gonna do like a big family thing at midnight and gave her like a minute's notice, it wouldn't go down well. How about you guys? Daniel (Pacco): To be honest, it was my wife jumping in on something like that I think she'd be like screw this and go to bed wedding days Come on, you don't want to be in this family. Like I guess everyone gets along with family, right? But I mean, come on I'm Sam: Ha ha. Daniel (Pacco): about to want a wedding. That's one of us come out mate like just go to How about you Corey's Sam: So yeah. Daniel (Pacco): thing or what would you jump in and do a minute game? Corey: Hell no. Like, you know, they're on the bed, they're about to do what, you know, a typical married couple first Daniel (Pacco): Thank you. Corey: night are gonna do and the frickin' auntie's there and it's just like, you know, are you ready for our family game? It's like that can wait. Sam: Boundaries. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, we're all right. Sam: so we get to the game and hey, it's it's time to play a cute game of hide and seek. And I feel like even I think because the film is called Ready or Not, we we know that this is the big scary moment because it's the way the film built up to be. But I f I don't feel like the family was like, ooh, ooh, this is the big this is the bad one. You know, they they kinda preempt it little bit. But there's not like the she's big that's fine, it's fine, just just go hide. And then it's like, yep, let's clock the guns then after there's there's not like a we're sad that we have to do this. this is a big controversial moment. Do you guys feel that? There wasn't that big old moment. Daniel (Pacco): Well, didn't the... I forgot the husband's name in the movie, but you know, if you bring this up into public, that's right, Sam: is it Alex? Alex is his name, sorry. Daniel (Pacco): yeah. So, you know, you bring this up to general public and surely the police will start knocking on your doors. You've got this sick, sadistic card game, you're killing people. Come on! And he Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): did claim at the start, just before the wedding, he was giving her an out without telling her exactly what was going on. But, yeah. Sam: Yeah, that that was weird, right? That y you guys don't do that on your wedding day, right? Daniel (Pacco): Well, wouldn't you if it was going to cost you half life? Sam: Yeah. Corey: But why would you go ahead with the wedding to begin with then? It was that typical moment where in the movie it's like, this is where she could get out and we don't have to watch this movie and see the the events unfold. But yeah, it was just Daniel (Pacco): Any credits? Sam: Mm-hmm. Corey: like as if he's giving her like that out right now, like, come on. Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): you pay for a big wedding but nah nah you want to walk it out you know Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Look, I guess we we look at the plot the like the castle they're living in, they're they're not worrying about the price of a wedding here. They're all, you know, it's it's get married here. You know, they spare no expenses, John Hammond would say. Corey: Mm-hmm. Nice one. Daniel (Pacco): from all of us. Sam: So, turns out the game is super deadly, right? And She kind of works at it. She's you know, like, this is fun, like la di da kind of thing and w and we as an audience we're kinda w I I will say you know, putting putting my film hat on, you'll look I worked in the film industry for twelve years. I I do know a thing of you two about, you know, how films are made and and the some good and bad ones despite what other people say. I don't feel like they built the tension as much. Like they it's it's like she goes out to hide, she's like la di, la di da She's skipping around, everything's great, they're cocking the guns like let's fucking go and that's know, that that part's kinda cool. But there's not this kind of as a horror film, there's not like this lingering tension of like as an audience, 'cause you're not I think it's because of obviously the film has just started so you know nothing super bad is gonna happen yet. But it's not this kind of lingering tension of like, ooh how is she gonna work it out? Like it's just kinda like just waiting for her to work out that shit's pretty pretty screwed. I d I don't know. Did you guys feel that or maybe I'm really into it? Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, well, see in the perspective of Grace, you know, it's not really horror. She's just going out, Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): playing hide and seek. No one knows her family are now in-laws, they're cocking up guns, crossbows, all sorts in between. So I Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): kind of like how they took the approach. It's not like your typical horror movie. It's kind of going along the lines of playful revenge family horror in-laws. Sam: Yes. Daniel (Pacco): I find it refreshing in a way if you ask me. Sam: Yeah. Yeah. No, that's fair. So shit goes down by I I couldn't actually work out who this character was. Initially, the girl who's calling out's like Georgie, Georgie and then she just gets a fucking gun to the head, like poof. Like That's that's the big reveal of, you know, hey, this is a real deadly game of of of hide and seek. And she's just like, Holy shit, this is fucked. But I initially thought that was Georgie's mum, but I think in reflection I maybe I missed something and it was not. That was Georgie's what I say, like babysitter nanny? Right? Yeah. Basically just Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, I think that's just daddy's. Yeah. Corey: Yeah. But maybe. Sam: inconsequential character, right? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Daniel (Pacco): Hmm wrong place at wrong time. If I remember the quote correctly from one of the girls does it look like she's wearing a fucking white dress? Sam: Yeah. Corey: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): No, but you notice Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): you saw how the tone went after she got shot and then the girls looking at the body it just went you know Sam: Yes. They just Yeah. Basically if you work at this place, you're not having a good time tonight. It's not a good shift. Do you think Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Yeah, no. Sam: they knew like the cause some of them, I guess like the butler, he was pretty ch he like, I'm gonna I'll fucking get them for you. So he was in on it. But I guess that the rest of the help were probably just like, my god, you know, this is another day in the board game paradise here. They didn't really know it was gonna be murder city. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Well, I guess. I think some of them got the idea. I think the girl who was reading the book to the kids at the start might have had the gist, but there was one of the ladies later on in the film, she's like, I don't know what's going on. So, yeah. It leaves a lot of holes there. Sam: Yeah. Yeah. The walks in the kitchen and just gets shot in the face or something. So I I really enjoyed actually I think after this part where Alex starts revealing kind of the whole backstory of their family, I actually quite enjoyed the the I one thing I really appreciate about this film is the kind of the rich backstory Daniel (Pacco): Thanks. Sam: and and I guess the lore of the film. And I I I feel like a lot some films are quite afraid to build if if they're not that's like a big blockbuster that's gonna have twenty sequels, they they're kind of afraid to tell a a a small story inside like a bigger universe. And I guess one a really good example I always find with that one is this like the purge films. Daniel (Pacco): No. Sam: And like the first purge film is a really small story with a really big concept behind it. Like there's no kind of, you know, the actual you don't see much of the purge in the first purge film. And the same with this, like Radio Not, there's there's a big backstory of, you know, they're basically making a deal with the devil and and they're, you know, they've made this board game empire. I also had a note here to say that is there that much money in board games? Like I didn't know that The guy I I guess the guy who who made Monopoly is probably making bank, no pun intended. But you know, is every board is there that much money in like just sort of you dime a dozen board games? I don't know. But that was something I I don't know. Daniel (Pacco): or just jumping in and on top of my head, but we Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): were talking about generations of the family, how far it went back in wealth. So could have been generational wealth coming in on it too. I don't know what Borgans Sam: Yes. Daniel (Pacco): were valued at 200 years ago, let's say, but clearly, well, that's it, you know. Sam: Yeah. You didn't have T V, I guess you had something to do something. Daniel (Pacco): But nah, Sam: But I Daniel (Pacco): I really liked how the family dynamic in that whole movie was going. know, got Fitch who was pretty much like the bitch of the film. You got the wife who was pretty much a cokehead. Everyone Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): had a role and it was just something as interesting. Sam: Yeah. It was a really cool ensemble. It it kinda gave me the vibe of like a who done it. How the in in in in in terms of there's you know there's a big family, they've all come together for this one thing and there's could be this person, could be this person, or could be this person, but I guess in this film it's fucking all of them and they're all coming together. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Sam: So that she's the poor thing poor Grace is just like, fuck, everyone's after me now. Daniel (Pacco): Definitely. Sam: so I think what I thought was really interesting was Alex at first is like all on board for saving his wife. He's like shit, all right, I've got to actually do this, you know. He tells a story, he cuts out the security systems, he's all that and but I feel like he's sort of but he's still just kind of there. He doesn't actively fight his family back though, does he? He doesn't like he doesn't want any harm to come from his family. It's that weird sort of dynamic of he's just sort of there, maybe slightly sabotaging. Same with the brother. They're there, they're th they're sort of active like the brother's probably a bit more actively participating, but they're not doing like they they're still not doing all they can to stop what's going on. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, did you want to jump Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): on this one, Corey: Yeah. Yeah, I didn't like Alex. I hated his like character and I don't know, story arc as well. Like he's sort of Sam: Yeah. Corey: he's there for his wife, he loves his wife. And like throughout the movie we sort of find out that he sort of left his family, like there was an out and Sam: Yeah. Corey: he he got out. But all of a sudden he decides to come back in and marry Sam: Yeah. Corey: this girl. into the family knowing exactly what's gonna the outcome's gonna be. And Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Corey: how he sort of backflipped at the end. It was just he it just it was stupid. Sam: Yeah, that yeah. I thought he was gonna die a lot earlier. I think this film could have I mean, it made sense in my kind of, you know, knowing the conventions of a horror film that he should have either died early on and because 'cause it felt like his character started strong. It's like, you know, he's doing everything he can to save his wife, even though he just made a f little bit of a mess up. And then it just kinda got worse and worse and like you said, that ending just Matt, I I was c that was a one bit of like, that He just kinda turned too he turned and turned back too quickly. He kinda was like, well, you know. Like he said he had that moment with his mum where he's like, I pick Grace, you know, she's better than you know, everything's better. And then it was like, Actually, fuck you. She's right here, let's kill her. You know? Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Corey: Yeah. I preferred Sam: Yeah. Corey: yeah, the brother. What was the brother's name? Daniel. Daniel (Pacco): Daniel was found. Corey: I liked his story art 'cause he was like he Sam: Daniel, yes. Yeah. Corey: like he's he witnessed the first sort of murder at the start when it was the thirty years earlier. Daniel (Pacco): Thank Corey: And he sort of he never really liked the games and he's just he's drunk and he sort of he gave her a head Sam: Yeah. Corey: start when he saw her. He's like, just run off, I'll give you a head start before I call the others. Sam: Yeah, the ten seconds. Corey: Yeah. Sam: He says it's it's like one foot in the door, one foot out. Like he could have just said nothing, but he still said something. It's that weird a weird dynamic. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): But it kept you guessing, it really kept you guessing what side is Elon on, is he for the family? But I think towards the end he was like, I don't fucking know, you know, he's like... Sam: Man. Man, his Yeah. I bet his his wife, who I guess married into the family, it was the in law like the in law one the ones that are married in were the ones that were like the weirder ones too. Like the like the s Daniel (Pacco): But what is she saying? One of the quotes, was along the lines of like, you don't know what background I came from, I rather live than wear it. Sam: Yeah. I felt like that was a little bit of a chekhov's gun of you're like, what's she c what's she cable? And they just never really paid that off though. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, makes me wonder if there was something in the second movie that Sam: Yeah, well yeah, well I mean we'll talk about that later 'cause I I mean none of us have seen the second one yet. So yeah, but I felt like there was just this this like there could have been something that why is she 'cause I mean Daniel even questions it. He's like, You didn't even blink when I told you about this. So it's like how messed up was your life before this that this is the better alternative? Daniel (Pacco): Look, we couldn't have money at this rate. What are you? Sam: Yeah. Yeah. So then there's this first I actually I wanna talk about 'cause like horrific injuries. I know last week I spoke about, you know, kind of people walking off horrific injuries. I think this film did Daniel (Pacco): Another year here. Sam: the opposite. She things just kept getting worse injury wise. And I that that hand p thing, first of all, she th the like the kid blows it the fucking kid just punches him out, first of all. But then that that like There sometimes there are films that you know you can watch it like, that's fine. But when you wince because you're all that you feel the pain when she puts her hand on the on the the the bolt, on the Daniel (Pacco): You felt it? No. Yeah. Sam: or the puts the hole through the bolt and you're like, I I couldn't watch. I was like it just but you couldn't turn away, couldn't watch Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Sam: it. I love a film that gives like a physical reaction. I like to you know, if I'm sitting in the thing, if I'm if I'm moving away because I'm like, I can't watch that. Just that's that's something for me. Yeah, that was absolutely yeah. It was a lot of that one. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, look, I've watched that movie probably four times now and every time that scene comes up I always, she does it so well, that pain and when she pulls Sam: Yeah, gives you the gives you the shivers. Daniel (Pacco): it out, just, jeez, my babe. Sam: also I've got just skipping a little bit, but I know it's so the the car part where she calls like the roadside assistance is the I'm I think that must like an American thing because I us as Australians, first of all, having a button that you just kind of press and they're like, Hi, you've reached triple A. How are you doing today? What can I do to help you? It was such a weird thing. But the fact that they just remotely turn the car off, then she's like, Help me, I'm gonna die And he's like, Sorry, my policy says I've got to turn this car off. Like Daniel (Pacco): Fuck you Justin! Sam: And yeah, Corey: Yeah. Sam: fucking Justin. But how how quickly are they reporting a stolen car? Or has it just always been stolen maybe? But like like this butler, like he's been knocked out. He's now called the insurance company, it's like, hey, sorry, the car's been stolen by the time but then he's also caught up to her by the time the car is turned off. That's some like fast and furious logic of, you know, of just like stopping and starting there. Corey: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): So. Corey: And and how Sam: That just took me out a little bit. Yes. Yeah. Corey: he found her in the woods too. It's sort of like as if you like I kept saying to Anita, I'm like, as if you would find her, like, you know, it's pitch black. He could he Sam: I know. If I was Corey: could have w gone left, right, straight, anywhere. But yeah. Sam: If I was her, I just would have kept bolting. I feel like she would do the whole thing of like you'd bolt a hundred meters, look back, be like, thank god I've made it. Better wait here. Like there's never this like just if you're ever it's PSA for anyone that's ever in a bit of a murder zone, and not that I've ever been like, you know, touch wood, been in an active murder zone, but just keep running. Like the murders behind you, just keep running. If you're in a forest, cars can't really get through forest. You can whittle. Just a good PSA. Just want to make sure people know to not stop by any means, for for ever for any reason, just keep going. Just keep swimming, as Dory would say. Corey: And then when he does find her, it's just an open field, so he can easily drive up to her and everything. I'm like, why'd you run out to the open field? Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Where did that come from that field anyway? thought she was going into a forest. no. Sam: Yeah. Corey: I was so left of field. Sam: Hi. So she gets caught. And then they bring her back and they tie her up to the, you know, arms are up and she's gagged and all that sort of stuff Daniel (Pacco): Thank Sam: and everything's all good. Not good all no not things aren't looking good for Grace. and then Daniel just secretly poisons everyone. And I guess has that other heel turn. You're like, okay, maybe he is good. although I love that he goes, you know, they're not gonna die. They'll just was it that they'll just be really shitty in the morning or something? Like you know, have shit weird for a week. Yes. Yeah, Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, no, they'll just want to sit right for a week. Sam: that's it. Like it's it's all he's he's like Willing to stop them, you know, be murderers, but like not willing to actually stop them. Just enough to annoy them. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, he just seems like an overall shitster in the whole movie. What side is he on? He smacks her in the face with a gun and then poisons Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): his family. It's like, mate, what do you want? Sam: Yeah, he's doing his best there. But then I this is where I felt it was a bit of a weird heel not heel term, but the how Grace kills the mum and she's like, I really liked you, but sorry I have to kill you. And then she kills she kills Alex's mum. But then and who Alex had previously kinda gone on for and then he turns around and he's like, Hey, like what you know, you you're not gonna like this we there's like this weird turn. Is it and I couldn't just watch it was it because he saw her kill his mum and he's like, maybe she's not as good as they thought as he it was saying? Or do you think it was more that basically after this whole ordeal he realized that and I know he does sort of say it. He says, you know, you're not gonna be with me after this, are you? And she's like, No And so then he's like, Well, she's in here. I don't know, do you do you think the heel turn was 'cause if he saw 'cause he saw he saw his brother die, then he saw his mum die. And so he's sort of like, Do I want the rest of the family to die? That was one bit I couldn't yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, I don't know. I guess he just wanted to Sam: Mm. Daniel (Pacco): a winning side if you know what I mean. Yeah, kinda like Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): that. Look, you see your brother gone and he was closest to his brother out of everyone in the family. We witnessed earlier how much he, well, despised his mother and he would choose the wife over his mum. Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): But yeah, like you said, it's pretty much like a whole 180 that happens after that. Yeah, Sam: He just sort of Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): once he sees his mum gone, it's just, yeah, down the hole from there. Sam: Yeah. Yeah, but Corey: I definitely felt it was because she said like no I I can't be like I w won't be with you after this whole Sam: Yeah. Corey: event. That was sort of the vibe I got, so Sam: Yeah, he was just like a little what's like a a jealous little boy's like, well, if I can't have you no one can kind of thing. Corey: Yeah. Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): me. Sam: but then the real fun starts and I know I I really loved your packet, I know you said, you know, the first of all we see the sunrise and then you know, if nothing happens and we're like, you know, everything's all good. And then Packer, I loved your letterbox review of it where you said, you know, just that that Grace's smirk as everyone starts exploding is just the top tier. She's just like, huh It's just this like ironic Yeah Daniel (Pacco): It's just that though, it's just... But it's just... You know, it's just... It's just all this chaos going on and you Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): know, and you somehow become the underdog, you win everything and you're just like... that's F**K! You know, basically... Sam: Yeah. Yeah, it's like basically Satan's real shit. Okay. Daniel (Pacco): But it's the one-liner when Alex goes, please, I really don't want to die. she's like, neither did I, you selfish fuck. she's such a badass in that scene. Sam: Yeah, she just kinda like it's just like the th the switch flicked. She's like, you know what? She's one tough shit basically. And yeah, that it was a very satisfying exploding explosion of all of them. They sort of just said boom, boom, boom. and they weren't like quick about it either. They was this slow kind of like boom. Boom. Yeah, like it Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, damn, you're gone. Sam: was like you really had to sit with it, you know. It wasn't wasn't a good time. Daniel (Pacco): Did you expect it? Did you guys expect that to happen or? Sam: No, I genuinely thought I like, Yeah, it's all full of shit. Like they're you know, they're clearly I think that's what that that's what almost makes it funnier is that they were actually try like the reason they were killing was not legitimate so it was legitimately they're pro trying to prevent something as opposed to the world kind of changing yeah, it's it it's it's it's not it's it it could have easily been like, you know, it was just a cults or just a bit of a conspiracy theory to put millions of people were murdered, but no no, they were actually actively trying to stop people dying. Daniel (Pacco): and save their family. But can I just ask Sam: Yes. Daniel (Pacco): what was your first reaction when Helen just explodes straight in front of you? Sam: I was like, hang on, what at at first I was like, is someone like a is there a shooter somewhere? Like that was what I thought. Again, didn't think it was actually the devil until well, you know, you start realizing it was. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, what about you, Corey? What was your first reaction at that scene? Corey: same as Sam's I sort of thought someone else was there who blew her up. and then yeah, when the next person blew up and they put like the music came back on and all that, I was sort of like, okay, so they did have a reason to actually play this game, but you know. Daniel (Pacco): It's just Sam: I didn't play well. Daniel (Pacco): so weird. Can I just jump in with a fun fact? Apparently Sam: Mm. Daniel (Pacco): that scene was in the original draft. Drace was meant to die and the movie was meant to end like that. But they said the audience wanted a... kind of like that underdog feeling. They were cheering her on. Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): So they changed the movie up a bit. Sam: As in she died as well as everyone else, or just her was gonna go? that would have been very unsatisfying. Daniel (Pacco): No, she was just meant to die in the whole sacrifice scene and all that. was meant to end like that and then you'd be like, oh, well... Yeah, it would have just... You know, would Sam: Mm. Daniel (Pacco): have peaked, I guess you would say. Sam: Yeah. Very very glad that that didn't happen. Daniel (Pacco): No! Nah, I it. Loved it. Sam: Yeah. But well so what were your other you had some other questions there, Paco as well, didn't you? You had some Yeah? Daniel (Pacco): Well, I was gonna throw in, did you, anything in that movie that you'd say would, that worked and what didn't work, like, you got any opinions here and there? Sam: I mean I think just the car Grace's character was just this I think there you can very much have like a that's kinda Mary Sue perfect character and she wasn't that. I really like that she was this, you know, obviously that that kinda had the final girl mentality, but wasn't perfect, still, you know, made some mistakes, but also just was super badass as well. I thought she was great. And I thought the the whole lore of the film was a lot of fun. And it just kind of this this very small, like I said, that small story of this really badass girl just fighting back and be like, Nope. Not today, Satan. Literally. Daniel (Pacco): What about you Cory? Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Any first impressions or thoughts on the film? Corey: Yeah. I I don't know, I think I would have liked it to go in a different direction. that direction's Daniel (Pacco): explain. Corey: probably the most like typical direction really. so that's why you guys say how it's refreshing for like a horror film. I'm not really used to watching horrors, but I would have preferred it a lot better. Cause I didn't watch the trailer. I only saw the thumbnail of her with the the shotgun and like the ammunition strap. So I thought she was gonna, you know, blow up some people, kill some people, take her revenge. whereas she'd sort of only killed the mum. and then everyone else just died by explosions. so I would have preferred if she had a bit more action in fighting them. I really thought it there was gonna be like the big girl on girl fight with her and the the psychotic wife of Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): the end of the year. Corey: Alex. Yeah. Sam: Is it not Daniel's wife? Yeah. The one that had the crazy background. Yeah. Yeah, would have liked to have seen Yeah. She did kill her husband Corey: Yeah. Yep. Yes, yep, yeah. I could just see like a full on like cat fight, you know, fighting. Sam: though. That was that was pretty intense. For just for seemingly yeah. She didn't have to do that. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah right, that's a beauty complete. Corey: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): So you thought it was different approach? Yeah, now that you mention it would have been cool if she had more action and killing people Although she Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): did KO that kid that was a real Sam: Yeah, yeah. Shit. Jill Georgie. Corey: Yeah, that kid pissed me off. It's like it's just a kid and he's like shooting her. And then the fact of when the mom comes to, you know, rescue him, he's like, Daniel (Pacco): my god. Corey: I shot her, mom. And she's like, I'm proud of you. I was like, Man, they need to die Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Sam: But just can we point out that then after that scene, after he shot her with a gun in the hand, like significant damage, right? Only then did they explain the stuff about the murder to their family. So they they didn't know about the murder beforehand. He was just a psychotic kid that was just shooting his auntie or his new auntie for whatever reason. So this kid's fucking nuts. Daniel (Pacco): Well, he did say that everyone else was coming out to kill her, he's just doing what everyone else is doing. think he just wanted to... But you sort of keep it at that. Sam: Yeah. Yeah, just wanted to join in. Daniel (Pacco): They all go, kill, kill, kill, kill. Was it Daniel Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): like to stop it or something like that? Yeah. Sam: Yeah. Actually one thing I would have liked to see, not a little bit maybe it could have been a bit of a flashback or something, but I felt like and I talked about how expansive part of this kind of you know, the the the story and the the universe they kind of build in this film is, but there's one thing that Alex mentions and he it talks about when they were doing like the goat sacrifice like, you know, there was one point when it w you know we're slicing a goat enchanting some s goat sacrificing that I realized that was a bit weird. And I just felt like that could Daniel (Pacco): Not more. Sam: yeah, I just felt like that could have been shown. I know this I felt like talking about these it I guess they're maybe shown some other games that weren't the murder games but were a bit weird and culty. Because really it sounds like their family was essentially a bit of a cult. Really, the cult board games cult. And I feel like we could have seen a little bit of that. Just to know what was going on in in the goat shed, really. Corey: Yeah, to be honest, for me, like because they kept naming like their almighty god person who's given them the games and they have to abide by that. And I was just like, it's just some old dude. And then at the end it's like, they're hailing Satan and Satan blows them up. And I was like, I didn't realize this was actual, like, they were worshiping the devil here. Sam: Yeah, it's Satan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's a Mr. Daniel (Pacco): Thank Sam: Labale who turn is basically the devil. So Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Corey: Yeah. Sam: Yeah, I mean, comes in all forms, I guess. But Yeah. Yeah. I think that w that that was the tree my Daniel (Pacco): It's going extreme at the end, doesn't it? Sam: note on the end was like ending. So Satan's real, but karma's a bitch. Shit is very fucked. That was my my note. Daniel (Pacco): Thank you. Sam: Which is pretty much yeah. Things were not looking good. Daniel (Pacco): So... Sam: I love the ending shot of her sitting like pulling out a cigarette in front of the burning building. It just had that like that's just a vibe. This being like and then it says like so what what happened? She's like, in laws. That was Daniel (Pacco): We're going to talk about satisfying scenes. reckon the Sam: Yep. Daniel (Pacco): bit when Alex leaves her in that little corridor passageway and she decides to rip up her It's the whole transformation thing going on. She's in this dress, she's Sam: yes. Yeah. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): in the converse, everything looks know muddy and brushed up Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): and whatnot. But actually gets into the game room, gets the gun, gets the ammo belt and she sees Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): herself in the mirror and does that long sort of shot and she's just like, fuck, you know? Sam: Yeah. They kinda did build that, yeah. You I think Corey was kinda right as well. They they they built like 'cause that I'd seen the poster a million times as well and I'd seen a little bit of the trailer. But yeah, that that shot of her putting the putting the ammo over her chest and the gun, it felt like that was the iconic look of the film and then it just Daniel (Pacco): Mm. Sam: kinda wasn't there 'cause it was like you you that was his blanks. And you're like, Okay, she Yeah, it could have been this like Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, just a splay. I see what you mean. I do feel a little bit robbed when Sam: Mm. Daniel (Pacco): you're looking at it now. I see where you guys are coming from, but I guess it makes the Sam: Yeah. But I Daniel (Pacco): look. Sam: I would say like overall, I this was a lot of fun. This was yeah, I I watched this with my fiance Tegan and she's not a horror fan at all. And I was like, you wanna watch this with me? And she was like, I'll start it and we'll see how we go And she really liked it too. A bit violent, but she thought she had she had a lot of fun as well. So I think it's definitely Daniel (Pacco): That's good. Sam: in the upper echelon of you know, fun horror films. Daniel (Pacco): Did she give you the look like how many of these are sort of working in marriage movies? Sam: Yeah, I don't I don't know I don't know how many horror films I can get away with, but we can keep trying. Daniel (Pacco): I would kind of meddle in the subject of kill your wife. Sam: the in laws. Yeah, no, that's all right. Well I mean I have we're not married yet, so I haven't had to kill her or tried to kill her yet, so we're okay for now. We should be fine. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Not yet. shit. Corey: Yeah, what did Mind think about it, Paco? Or has she seen it four times as well? Daniel (Pacco): You've probably seen her as many times as me Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Compared to the previous movie she watches. I think she prefers ready or not a lot more Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): We're gonna talk ratings and all of that or was that a bit too soon to talk ratings? Look Sam: We can talk ratings. Daniel (Pacco): I honestly I love this movie. I always have fun when I watch it. I give it a four out of five stars. It's just fun. It's got that revenge horror but it's got that twist of comedy in the middle. Like, you know, when that girl gets shot in the, oh, that coat-cut lady, and she gets a crossbar off the guy, and she accidentally shoots that person in the mouth. And, you know, this Helen hag of a lady, it's just like, we have to kill her. And you got this lady, yeah, it's all we, yeah, it's just. Sam: Yeah. Well d did you actually I've one more question. Did you pick that that was the the bride from the thirty years earlier? Corey: Only when she Daniel (Pacco): Why? Corey: said that in the story. Yeah. Sam: Yeah. Yeah. So that the the old the auntie with like the hair flicked up Daniel (Pacco): it. Sam: is the bride from the f thirty years earlier. Daniel (Pacco): I thought she was too old for that. I didn't pick up on that. Aw shit. Mate, Corey: Dude, you've seen it four times. Sam: You've seen this film four times. Daniel (Pacco): I'm only watching it for Samara leaving, that's it. Anything else is... Sam: my god. Yeah. Someone's clearly Yeah, I I w 'cause I I think I said to Teg so one thing which I again, I'm all for the cinema experience, don't get me wrong, but one thing I love about watching a movie at home with your partner is we can and because Tegan's a screenwriter as well. So we we talk like the film and and she'll pick something, she'll be like, this is gonna happen or I'll we'll make guesses about things. And one thing I said to her and I was like, I'm pretty sure that that Auntie is the bride from the first, you know, the th the 30 years earlier bit. She's like, I don't know. And yeah, and then when it when she's like, I should have killed my husband and XY and I was like, Yes, I called it. Daniel (Pacco): You Sam: I just want to make that note that I for once called it, so and took Paco four movies Corey: Good work, mate. That's impressive. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Sam: and four watches and still couldn't work it out. Daniel (Pacco): Well, I mean, it wasn't in my head to be like, shit. I know she said it, but I didn't think it was that good. well. well, look. Sam: But they also said they've only done it once before. Daniel (Pacco): interesting that and it's only one bad power it's like what happens if you don't play checkers like Sam: Yeah, well that's that yeah, those the other in laws, he's like, I just played a bit of chess and I had it some b b bloody, you know, guess who or something. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, but do the family members have to win the game, every game? Sam: No, 'cause they said in the they said in the in when she's they're dealing out the cards, they say she's like, do I have to beat you to be in the family? Like, no, no, you just have to play. But the one, you know, the one of them is just a murder. The Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, the one bad child, you know. Sam: one bad one. I w I have one actual thing about this that I did think about. Nowhere on the card does it say that you have to be a murder hide and seek. It just says hide and seek on it. Where are they getting the murder from? Like are they just so inclined? Daniel (Pacco): That wasn't on the middle. Yeah, last time I played hide and seek I didn't get shot in the hand and climb into goat pits and what not. God mighty. Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, what kind of fucked up version of hide and seek is this? Sam: So sorry, I'll bring it back. I I get which is my rating for this film, which is weird, I gave it a three and a half, but which is lower than what I gave the last film, but I'm definitely sure I enjoyed this film more. So I think I really need to reconsider the rating that I gave the last film. But I definitely yeah, I really like this one. This is a lot of fun. So I gave it three and a half, sorry, three and a half stars out of five. Daniel (Pacco): You're still on three and a half, you're not jumping off fork, come on. Sam: Nah, I think there was too many small things that maybe pop up. But it was just a lot it was still a lot of fun. What'd you give it, Corey? Corey: I went the other end of the scale. I gave it a two. I yeah, I I enjoyed the previous Sam: Whew a two Wow Corey: movie a lot more than this one. yeah, just like I I I did like how there wasn't as much gore. Like especially the 'cause they're they so easily could have shown intense gore like the last movie. especially with that like The the dumbwaiter thing where the maid's stuck in the in that little Daniel (Pacco): yeah. Sam: Yeah. Are they typically that dangerous? I didn't think they were. Daniel (Pacco): I Corey: I don't think so, but Daniel (Pacco): thought they took something I couldn't move with, but, we've an old house. Corey: But yeah Sam: Questioning. Corey: Yeah, they easily could have shown like a close up of something snapping, like the body breaking and blood. So I was Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Corey: kind of glad they sort of didn't show that and like with the auntie when she beheaded the other maid, like you just heard the sounds and it was blocked by the pool table. But so I like that, but I just did not like the movie. It was I don't like anything like satanic as well, like, ugh. But yeah, Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, good job. Corey: just the Alex, the the the husband, whoever he was, he pissed me off. He's like, why what's the point of marrying someone into a family that you originally left and now you came back to knowing that you're gonna die or she's gonna die that night. And it was just dumb. That was stupid. The frickin' servant dude, how he did most of the work as opposed to the family doing the work and finding her and getting her. Like, it felt like he was doing more of the work for them and I don't know, it just yeah, I didn't like it. Daniel (Pacco): wow. I like the how passionate you are in hating the film. That was a good Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): day. Holy shit. Corey: There was just a lot of moments I was like, this is stupid, or like they should have done this differently. Like the characters should have done something differently. and I just would have I would have enjoyed it more if we yeah, she was more active in getting revenge on them, I guess. Yeah, it just didn't go the pathway I envisioned it would, so maybe that's why I don't like it. I don't know. Daniel (Pacco): Hopefully next movie is going to a horror thriller sort of life killing your life sort of movie. Corey: Yeah. Well yeah, if I get to pick it, yeah Sam: Well Yeah. Well speak it Daniel (Pacco): All right. Sam: is your it's your turn, mate. What Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Sam: what is the next film? Corey: Sweet. So yeah, I was thinking of changing the genre. We'll make it a bit more brighter and lighter. very Sam: No. Corey: yeah, to my wife's happiness because she was sort of like, yeah, I don't want to watch another like bloody gory thing. Sam: Ha ha ha. Daniel (Pacco): Thank Corey: so yeah, for this week I was thinking we could watch the Onion movie. Daniel (Pacco): No. no. Shit. my god. Sam: The onion movie I know of this, but could you give us some background on the onion movie? Daniel (Pacco): Cockpuncher. Come on. Corey: Yep. it's it's it's quite an old movie now. Like I watched it in high school. it's basically satire comedy. It's sort of based on like a news channel called The Onion and they just report really stupid satire stuff. and it's just a fun, light-hearted comedy movie. There's some titties in there, Paco. Daniel (Pacco): Well yeah, last time I Corey: And yeah. Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): saw this movie I hated it so you know what this next video is going to be about? Corey: You hang it at it. Daniel (Pacco): Well I just like, well look I'm saving it for the next podcast, we'll leave it there, we'll leave it there. F***ing Onion movie, come on. I'll leave Sam: no. Daniel (Pacco): it in Jurassic Park or something like woohoo or on the waterfront. Yeah, Corey: Yeah. Sam: It's all about expanding your mind, Paco. Daniel (Pacco): aww, what's happening? Corey: Yeah, we just need a bit of a a laugh, you know, from all the the gore. But also, Daniel (Pacco): surely gonna lap up here from this one. Sam: well Corey: yeah, looking forward to see if what yeah, 'cause it sort of hits the part of like offensiveness for back then. So I'm curious to see watching it now, if it's like Daniel (Pacco): you Corey: even more not PC and Sam: Yeah. Does it age poorly or Corey: yeah, politically correct. And more people would probably be more offended by it these days. So Yeah, curious to yeah, what rewatch it. Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, so okay, Sam: All right. Daniel (Pacco): next podcast will be at your own caution when watching. You may offend. Sam: Yes. Alright, well let's we can wrap things up there, but thanks everyone for for listening in to our silly ramblings about some silly movies, like ready or not, and we'll catch you next week after watching the onion movie. Catch you later, guys. Daniel (Pacco): Like, Jesus. Gotcha.