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Get Unstuck with EMDR · Wellness In Every Season

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SPEAKER_00: This is episode 178.
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SPEAKER_00: We are going to be talking about an app called Mind Circuits and So EMDR.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Wellness in Every Season, the podcast where we explore the rich tapestry of wellness in all of its forms.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Autumn Carter, a certified life coach, turned wellness coach, as well as a certified parenting coach dedicated to empowering others to rediscover their identity in their current season of life.
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SPEAKER_00: My goal is to help you thrive both as an individual and as a parent.
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SPEAKER_00: Today I have with me Erin Vandermoor.
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SPEAKER_00: She is a therapist and she's developed this app that does bilateral stimulation therapy.
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SPEAKER_00: She is going to be able to talk about EMDR, which I am a huge fan of.
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SPEAKER_00: That has been my favorite with therapy.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for being on, Erin.
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SPEAKER_00: Can you start by telling us what you provide as a therapist and your journey that way?
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SPEAKER_00: Let's start there.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm originally from Chicago, and that's where I first started as a therapist.
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SPEAKER_01: I actually started as a therapist because when I was in high school, I had a really difficult time.
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SPEAKER_01: And I wish I would have had somebody to talk to.
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SPEAKER_01: We didn't really have therapists accent, they were more like guidance counselors.
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SPEAKER_01: So they could talk to me about a career or what to do for college.
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SPEAKER_01: But that was about it.
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SPEAKER_01: Go to school, don't drop out.
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SPEAKER_01: I remember that part two.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, don't drop out and don't do drugs.
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SPEAKER_01: And yes, lots of scholarships.
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SPEAKER_01: Keep applying, send in letters, but nothing about your mental health.
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SPEAKER_01: I knew I wanted to do something that would help teens and students.
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SPEAKER_01: I ended up in higher education for a while.
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SPEAKER_01: And worked in a couple of different universities.
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SPEAKER_01: And then learned about this logly ministers program for school counseling.
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SPEAKER_01: I started as a school counselor for Chicago public schools.
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SPEAKER_01: Then I worked in a behavioral hospital.
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SPEAKER_01: Then I worked for community, and now I'm in private colleges.
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SPEAKER_00: So you understand mental health.
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SPEAKER_00: And I assume the schools you were in Chicago were struggling schools.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, they were all Title I, um, low income.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, kids who had never been outside their city block.
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SPEAKER_01: They've never seen Lake Michigan.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh man, Lake Michigan's beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: We actually got a field trip and got them on a bus to see us.
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SPEAKER_00: I've seen it from the Chicago side and from the Michigan side, and it's so beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: I saw it as the sun was setting.
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SPEAKER_00: It's beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: I bet that was life-altering for them.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm now in Asheville, North Carolina, so I've lost contact with my kiddos, but I hope so.
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SPEAKER_01: They all were just in awe.
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SPEAKER_01: And it was so nice seeing a bunch of metal schoolers just being in awe again to be a kid.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I can tell nature's important to you from the pictures in the background.
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SPEAKER_01: Nature is very important to me.
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SPEAKER_01: It hasn't always been nice to me with her cane colline, but it's still very important.
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SPEAKER_00: I bet.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow, that has been quite a dream.
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SPEAKER_00: And the reason why I assumed you were in lower income schools is because what you did right after you were in the public school system.
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SPEAKER_00: And for me, that felt like an easy transition to go from there to a mental health hospital.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, because unfortunately, some of my kiddos got referred to that.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I was able to be patient and work with my population that I was used to, with my kids who had struggles.
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SPEAKER_01: I felt like I was making an impact.
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SPEAKER_01: Then I had kids of my own and I wanted to see them.
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SPEAKER_01: Living in Chicago and being able to see your children while being in mental health is not easy.
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SPEAKER_01: Because the family decided to make a money.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean that's I hear it's a beautiful area.
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SPEAKER_01: It's on my list.
4:19
SPEAKER_01: Give it a lot of time, it's been a year since 13th Helene came through.
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SPEAKER_01: So there's still buildings that are ordered up and still have bridges that don't exist right now.
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SPEAKER_01: So give it about a year or two and then come.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's that far out on my list right now.
4:37
SPEAKER_00: I have four kids and lots going on.
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SPEAKER_00: I have two.
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SPEAKER_00: And mine are still young.
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SPEAKER_00: I have a 16-year-old.
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SPEAKER_00: They had no school today.
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SPEAKER_00: Don't ask me why.
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SPEAKER_00: I had somebody ask them, they're like, I have no idea.
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SPEAKER_00: All I know is they have no school.
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SPEAKER_00: It is random.
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SPEAKER_00: There's just no school or half days.
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SPEAKER_00: It doesn't make sense.
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SPEAKER_00: And they had a half day on Friday.
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SPEAKER_00: And they had school yesterday, but no school today.
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SPEAKER_00: Anyway.
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SPEAKER_00: The three oldest went off and played for several hours.
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SPEAKER_00: It was amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: And the youngest had quiet time in his room since he's transitioning away from naps.
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SPEAKER_00: So I was able to get work done, old laundry, and just chill for a little bit, which was really nice.
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SPEAKER_00: It gets easier once they get to first grade and beyond.
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SPEAKER_00: Which number three is in first grade.
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SPEAKER_00: It's coming.
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SPEAKER_00: The youngest wanted to go too.
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SPEAKER_00: They took him to the park at with they did not listen to me.
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SPEAKER_00: I told them three times he's coming with mommy.
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SPEAKER_00: He's four.
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: Then he took off with them.
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SPEAKER_00: Anyway, had to catch up with them.
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SPEAKER_00: The park's in our neighborhood, thankfully.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll get personal for a minute because this will totally relate.
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SPEAKER_00: I have been needing to spend more time re-regulating my body.
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SPEAKER_00: It's been hard because there's unknowns around the corner.
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SPEAKER_00: Our dog, and I've spent a solo podcast episode talking about this, ended up having cancer in her leg, and it's the same leg that had surgery a year ago.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's eight.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's young.
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SPEAKER_00: Sport dog, very healthy, lean.
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SPEAKER_00: Like she's a bluey dog, so high energy.
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SPEAKER_00: She ended up having to have her leg amputated.
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SPEAKER_00: This all started Labor Day.
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SPEAKER_00: So now it's September 23rd.
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SPEAKER_00: That's several weeks of not knowing what's going on.
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SPEAKER_00: Why is it inflamed?
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SPEAKER_00: We came home from a date and it was inflamed.
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SPEAKER_00: Then it went away for a week and she was able to put full weight on it.
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SPEAKER_00: Then it came back again after playing with the dogs, but way worse.
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SPEAKER_00: Went to tons of vets to figure out what was going on.
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SPEAKER_00: Thankfully, we have pet insurance.
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SPEAKER_00: If you have pets, get pet insurance.
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SPEAKER_01: I have three dogs.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: So she ended up having to have her leg amputated.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Whew.
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SPEAKER_00: Just even talking about it, I could feel it coming up.
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SPEAKER_00: Of course.
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SPEAKER_00: And then the unknown part is the leg was sent off to be analyzed.
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SPEAKER_00: How bad is the cancer?
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SPEAKER_00: Does she need radiation?
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SPEAKER_00: Does she need chemo?
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SPEAKER_00: Um, what is lifespan?
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SPEAKER_00: Is it spread?
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SPEAKER_00: Um, she had a CT scan, she had x-rays, there could be little particles.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the unknown that is really dysregulating me.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is the people that you work with, right, are the really dysregulated.
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SPEAKER_01: Right up my alley.
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SPEAKER_01: I see.
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SPEAKER_01: The language of trauma.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: For me, I am spending more time on my self-care and encouraging my children and my husband to do the same.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm giving him more pickleball time, which really helps him.
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SPEAKER_00: I joined the sport and he loves it more than I do, and he's better at it than I am.
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SPEAKER_00: But it's it's fun.
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SPEAKER_00: We have that in common.
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SPEAKER_00: And he's on a different team, so we don't have to worry about babysitting.
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SPEAKER_00: We play together.
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SPEAKER_00: It totally works out better than ever expected.
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SPEAKER_00: So what do you recommend for other people that are like this?
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SPEAKER_00: Because people live like this all the time.
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SPEAKER_00: For me, I don't like living like this.
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SPEAKER_00: I grew up feeling like this, so I don't like the feeling, and it's me working somatically to release it works for me right now.
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SPEAKER_00: What do you recommend for everybody else who is living this day to day?
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SPEAKER_00: And how does this correlate with your app?
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SPEAKER_01: So because perfectly was my app because that's why I traded it.
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SPEAKER_01: I have been in mental health for my daughter's 16, so 17 years now.
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SPEAKER_01: I only get an hour with person once a week, maybe twice a week if I'm lucky insurance isn't causing me issue.
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SPEAKER_01: And so it's all that time in between.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll have clients who are asking questions just like that.
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SPEAKER_01: Is there podcasts?
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SPEAKER_01: Is there a self-help book?
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SPEAKER_01: Is there an app?
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SPEAKER_01: What can I do?
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SPEAKER_01: I can make suggestions like what is like and forth, calming the nervous things like exercise, pickleball, that type of but there wasn't really a map that I found that did that bilateral sterilization, the right, left, right during EMDR that now calms the nervous system.
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SPEAKER_01: I will literally pull out my tappers, and it's these things that you hold and they'll vibrate and pull back and forth.
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SPEAKER_01: I will pull those out for clients and have them just fold that and have it at a slow speed because it just gives that message to the nervous system that it's from and safe.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I wanted to be able to put that into an app that anybody would use.
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SPEAKER_01: Lots of trial and error because I'm a mental health therapist and I know nothing about apps.
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SPEAKER_01: I actually started this during COVID before AI, and yeah, so it's been a long process of trying to take my therapy jargon and translate it into a usable app that would help people.
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SPEAKER_01: AI was like one of those missing pieces for us, because in my brain, I'm always like, we need the person to be able to acknowledge something's going on, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Recognize.
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SPEAKER_01: Because if you're not aware that your nervous system's out of act, if you're not aware that you're having certain feelings, then you're not going to take the next step to help yourself.
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SPEAKER_01: So I wanted to make sure there was a way to capture that.
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SPEAKER_01: So we got our lovely mood like thermometer on it, and then AI will actually make suggestions of coping skills and strategies based on the information giving.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's that feedback I want to be able to get people.
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SPEAKER_01: But before AI, I was struggling to figure out how to do that.
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SPEAKER_01: I was populating answers and coming up with lists, and it just was so tedious, and it also wasn't going to ever be as personalized as it could be.
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SPEAKER_01: I know from working in therapy and with clients that it's not personal, it's not gonna give as much of that impact.
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SPEAKER_01: So I could give you an app and it would give you the bilateral beads or bilateral stimulation, but if you didn't have something driving it, it falls flat.
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SPEAKER_01: I came up with adding positive affirmations that are tailored to the mood and the information that you share with it.
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SPEAKER_01: You can have an affirmation back and forth saying, I am safe, I am safe.
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SPEAKER_01: The doc go back and forth, and you're just telling your nervous system that positive affirmation.
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SPEAKER_01: It could be I'm enough, I got this, whatever it is that's going on in your life that you need the reassurance and the validation to regulate that emotion, regulate your nervous system.
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SPEAKER_01: I have this cute little app and you can pick different shapes and colors and speed and sound.
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SPEAKER_01: You can put it on for 30 seconds, minutes.
12:23
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SPEAKER_00: Well, let's back up for a quick second because it will help people who are what's EMDR?
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SPEAKER_00: Let's go there and then let's continue talking about your app.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you could also show us for those that are watching on YouTube.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, so EMDR's been around since the 80s.
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SPEAKER_01: It's based on what neuroscience says we do during REM sleep to process all the gunk you go through during your day, your feelings, your thoughts, your memories, interactions, everything in your brain.
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SPEAKER_01: When your eyes go back and forth in REM sleep, it tells the hippocampus to go offline and chill, it can start processing.
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SPEAKER_01: Puts everything in the filing cabinet in your brain where it needs to go.
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SPEAKER_01: Some information from the day isn't important, so it gets put away.
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SPEAKER_01: Some information is very important, so it gets put up front.
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SPEAKER_01: When our nervous systems get activated, and we go into fight flight razor font, that code, that moment, that memory, that feeling, those thoughts is trauma.
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SPEAKER_01: Which sucks because sometimes those moments we don't want them to be coded, right?
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SPEAKER_01: They're coded in groups.
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SPEAKER_01: And our nervous system doesn't know the difference between oh, this is traumatic, awful car wreck that I do want to not relive, versus I'm a two-year-old being screened at because I ran into the street.
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SPEAKER_01: And yes, I do want to remember as a two-year-old to never run into the busy street.
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SPEAKER_01: But we haven't evolved enough to know these differences.
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SPEAKER_01: It just codes everything the same.
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SPEAKER_01: And when these memories and thoughts and feelings get coded that way, and you go to sleep and it goes right, left, your eyes go back and forth, you twin and shot those moments are told no, don't process it's important.
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SPEAKER_01: Hold on to it, keep it right up in front of your brain so that when you need it, you can have it real quick.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's why a lot of people will say it felt like it happened yesterday.
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SPEAKER_01: If I smell this, hear this, experience this, it's like I'm right back to it.
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SPEAKER_01: That's because your brain thinks it's really important and it's gonna keep you safe and wants you to get that information, but it doesn't know it's trauma.
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SPEAKER_01: And so that's where we come in as therapists and we use ENDR, which is eye movement, desensitization and reprocessing.
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SPEAKER_01: And so it's these eight phases that Dr.
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SPEAKER_01: Shapiro developed, all built on each other, making sure that I, as a clinician, am getting to every level not just the thought, not just the memory, but how it shows up in the body, how I've internalized it to these negative thoughts that I can't do this or this will never happen for me.
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SPEAKER_01: It's encoded into your brain so that when you do go into red sleep, your brain will process everything for you.
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SPEAKER_01: If you get it processed, you can desensitize.
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SPEAKER_01: Once we desensitize, it's not as heavy, it's not as strong.
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SPEAKER_01: It happens, but you can't feel it.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not like you're back.
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SPEAKER_00: And I know it can take a while.
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SPEAKER_00: So I love the idea of having this app because from one week to the next, seeing a therapist, a lot can come up, and your body could just be like, now I'm ready to give you everything, and it's just like throwing it up at you.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's hard when you can only see that therapist once a week, once a month, whatever your schedule is.
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SPEAKER_00: So I love the idea of your app.
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SPEAKER_01: It's frustrating for me as a therapist because I don't have a waiting room like a doctor.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's not like you can get a sick appointment and wait in my waiting room and I'll sneak in quick.
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SPEAKER_01: Insurance doesn't let us do things like that.
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SPEAKER_01: So I can only see you when you're scheduled.
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SPEAKER_01: I can't bump someone because then I'm making a decision about what's more important, and that is not my problem.
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SPEAKER_01: I wanted to give something to my clients that they could have in their pocket.
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SPEAKER_01: I had a client once who sent, I wish I could just have you in my pocket and pull you out when I need some words of encouragement.
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SPEAKER_01: That got my brain thinking, how can I provide that?
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SPEAKER_00: So, really quick for those who don't understand AI, because they could just think, I could just go to regular AI and get the same stuff that she's offering.
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SPEAKER_00: Can you explain how you programmed it to be this set amount and then have AI in with it?
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SPEAKER_01: So I wanted to create an app that anybody could use, mental health tool pocket size, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Simple.
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SPEAKER_01: Based on theories and principles as a therapist that I have been doing for over a decade.
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SPEAKER_01: Just like with the MDR, and there's eight phases, and you want to make sure you're going to explanation, it takes you through all eight phases.
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SPEAKER_01: I want to make sure I'm taking you through all the phases that when you first go into the app, know what your mood is.
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SPEAKER_01: You've checked it in, you've done a bias in.
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SPEAKER_01: How am I feeling?
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SPEAKER_01: Where am I feeling my attention?
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SPEAKER_01: What are the emotions?
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SPEAKER_01: And then it asks a little deeper.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, why did you pick sad?
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SPEAKER_01: What's going on?
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SPEAKER_01: Why did you pick happy or free?
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SPEAKER_01: Because you need all this information to make it personalized and to better understand what's going on at that moment in time.
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SPEAKER_01: Then we have AI plug in some coping skills.
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SPEAKER_01: Those coping skills are based off of a list that I, as a therapist, have created and made sure are appropriate research-based, evidence-based, and work.
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SPEAKER_01: You can go online and Google it and find some really good things, but you also can find some crap that doesn't work, and it's just somebody trying to get popular and enough links on their page.
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SPEAKER_01: So I wanted to make sure everything that's suggested is funneled through the lens of a therapist, so nothing is being suggested that isn't going to be helpful.
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SPEAKER_01: Because what's the point then?
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SPEAKER_01: Right?
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SPEAKER_01: What's the point of a therapist making an app?
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SPEAKER_01: So it's not just AI, it's AI added in to personalize it.
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SPEAKER_01: The programmers went back and forth with me trying to understand what are some of the parameters, what are the questions that they're asking?
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SPEAKER_01: What are the guardrails?
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SPEAKER_00: So it's artificial intelligence, using the full word, but within these bounds.
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SPEAKER_01: Parameters within bounds, it's not like chat GBT brain can just ask anything.
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SPEAKER_01: It's all based around probing skills, emotions, and then coming up with positive affirmations that fit in you based off of everything you share going through those layers of where you are in that moment, so that when you watch the doc go back and forth or square or whatever shape you pick, not only are you calming your nervous system, but you're reinforcing that positive thought that you need to have validate.
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SPEAKER_01: You can't just go into AI and know what to ask unless you're a therapist.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: You just don't know the questions, you're not trained.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not a mechanic.
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SPEAKER_01: I can't just go and ask questions to AI and to fix my car because I wouldn't even know what the right question is.
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SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, I did a solo podcast on how you can and can't use AI for your own wellness goals.
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SPEAKER_00: And you need to be very specific with what it is.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you treat it as a better than Google search, perfect.
21:47
SPEAKER_00: But you need to know exactly what you're looking for.
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SPEAKER_00: You need to be a professional enough in this that you can know AI.
21:54
SPEAKER_00: What I'm asking is this.
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SPEAKER_00: No, you're doing it wrong, or this.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you don't know, you don't know what's next.
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SPEAKER_01: Draw so like the mechanic thing is if it told me to do something, I wouldn't know if it was correct or not.
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SPEAKER_01: I couldn't catch correct.
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SPEAKER_01: And so it is just like that's what I tell people all the time.
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SPEAKER_01: The tool is Google, but a little better.
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SPEAKER_01: But just like with Google, you have to make sure that you are asking the right question and that you're making sure that you're asking for things in a research phase that have evidence behind it.
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SPEAKER_00: Because research is constantly saying largely this is right.
22:36
SPEAKER_00: So, yes.
22:37
SPEAKER_00: And mental health, we're in her, we're still learning so much.
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SPEAKER_00: I am excited, I'm gonna be an old lady at this point.
22:47
SPEAKER_00: But when enough research has done just from COVID and the effects of mental health during that time and how much changed with domestic violence during that time, I'm sure it was higher and everything else.
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SPEAKER_01: Because the kids didn't come to school and there wasn't that adult catching it and being able to call and support.
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SPEAKER_01: I tell all my parents I work with to minus two to three years.
23:15
SPEAKER_01: If your nine-year-old is acting childish, minus two years, minus three years, would you still view it that way?
23:25
SPEAKER_01: And nine times out of the ten, they're like, No, that's right on.
23:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because emotionally they missed at least two years that social interaction and emotional growth.
23:37
SPEAKER_00: Most with our third kid, because that was the time when he should have been socializing with other toddlers and babies, and everyone in his age group is a little bit younger, seems a little bit more, they don't grasp all the social cue.
23:54
SPEAKER_00: It's hard to really verbal.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: It's not there, but you're used to, and you know that there's a difference, and you don't want to say anything that's gonna be insulting, but you know there's something wrong.
24:09
SPEAKER_01: And it's that emotional peer pressure, that positive peer pressure that little ones get learning how to see themselves, learning to talk and walk, all that positive peer pressure of oh, they're doing it, I wanna do it.
24:24
SPEAKER_00: You don't did that.
24:25
SPEAKER_01: I mean, is COVID and is just a screen?
24:30
SPEAKER_00: And how many people had dental issues during that time because everyone had a mask on?
24:35
SPEAKER_00: Whatever.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure so much data is gonna come out, especially because now COVID now.
24:43
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, 2020 versus what was it, 1918?
24:50
SPEAKER_00: The Spanish blue, the Spanish blue.
24:52
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
24:53
SPEAKER_00: How much data do we have now compared to then?
24:56
SPEAKER_00: And it will just be so interesting to see that.
25:09
SPEAKER_01: Everybody should go to the dentist and get a regular checkup, right?
25:13
SPEAKER_01: Mental health should be no different.
25:15
SPEAKER_01: You should go for a mental health checkup.
25:18
SPEAKER_01: And if your needs just don't out of your brain, then you should stick around for a couple more sessions and take some ER.
25:25
SPEAKER_01: It shouldn't be any different.
25:27
SPEAKER_00: But I will warn you, you will go for one issue, and so much more will come up.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: You'll be better in the end, but you'll be like, I only expected this little tiny, and it's gonna take a short amount of time, and your brain are gonna be like, No, we want more to come out now.
25:41
SPEAKER_00: Thanks.
25:42
SPEAKER_00: But it knows it's safe, right?
25:44
SPEAKER_01: And if that tells you you have found a therapist who's a good fit.
25:49
unknown: Yes.
25:49
SPEAKER_01: Is your brain and body telling you that you're ready to deal with some of this deeper God?
25:55
SPEAKER_00: Honestly, it is worth it because I have spent time in nursing homes.
25:59
SPEAKER_00: I volunteered there and I plan to do it again when I have more time because there is something so special about being there and helping out.
26:08
SPEAKER_00: Even seeing my grandparents as they um, my grandfather had Alzheimer's and my grandmother had dementia.
26:15
SPEAKER_00: Some of that does come up from trauma.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: Trauma.
26:19
SPEAKER_00: One woman in particular who was suffering with dementia.
26:25
SPEAKER_00: English was her second language, and she was reverting back to speaking more German.
26:29
SPEAKER_00: There was trauma, and it would come out at interesting times where we had to, okay, you're safe.
26:34
SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: Could you imagine being at that age and that point in your mental health journey decline that you don't know that you're safe?
26:46
SPEAKER_00: Where now you are suffering with PTSD, but you can remind yourself that you're safe, you can look around and see that you're safe, and you can't have that all the time when you're older, so it's better to take care of it now than treating, for instance.
27:02
SPEAKER_01: For schools based on the app, so that every age has access to regulating your nervous system because even little ones will go through moments and it gets stuck in put in his trauma, and they don't even know it because they don't have the vocabulary to understand what's going on.
27:25
SPEAKER_01: But if they're doing some bilateral symbolization, watching some thoughts in school, it's just gonna naturally get processed for them.
27:32
SPEAKER_00: And that's my COVID kid, he has stuff that gets stuck like that.
27:36
SPEAKER_00: So we have to go and hold them tight and just have him feel our heartbeat, breathe with us.
27:43
SPEAKER_00: It can be really honestly exhausting because we have four kids and he has so many needs with just helping him regulate.
27:51
SPEAKER_00: So let's show us your app.
27:55
SPEAKER_00: Walk us through that.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: I know I'm not the only visual person, so if you are listening, head on over to YouTube and you can see this.
28:03
SPEAKER_01: I am very visual, which is why it probably took so long to develop.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you can see it's a little green tree.
28:14
SPEAKER_01: It says mine circuit green tree under life 360.
28:18
SPEAKER_01: There's a three notification.
28:20
SPEAKER_01: I need to go and do it.
28:25
SPEAKER_01: I actually use my own app.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: That says a lot right there.
28:30
SPEAKER_01: It helps.
28:34
SPEAKER_01: I don't have a lot of time on my hands.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: So this has been a little home page.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: Successful people ask better questions, and as a result, they get better answers.
28:46
SPEAKER_00: Tony Robbins.
28:47
SPEAKER_01: So you get a positive quote every time you log in.
28:51
SPEAKER_01: The more you log in and give information, the more the quote meets your interests and likes.
28:58
SPEAKER_01: Oh, perfect.
29:00
SPEAKER_01: And then it has a call me now button.
29:03
SPEAKER_01: So it's now uh-huh, and so that just takes you to bilateral synonization if you want it real quick.
29:11
SPEAKER_01: Think of an ER nurse or a teacher or something.
29:15
SPEAKER_01: They just they need a moment of calm.
29:19
SPEAKER_01: I hate that I can't see some pictures, some screenshots, yeah, so that you can do but it has my little happy guys.
29:30
SPEAKER_01: So these are my little motion guys, they're little leads with feelings.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: See, it reminds me of inside out, and I was already thinking of that with the marble part when you're talking earlier.
29:43
SPEAKER_00: I love that you have your own little guys.
29:47
SPEAKER_01: Just because it's good to help, because I mean it can't be fun.
29:51
SPEAKER_01: We click on sad, and then it breaks it down and it wants even deeper questions, different levels of sadness, and it keeps drilling down, and then it'll come up with a coping strategy.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: I'll say I'm gloomy.
30:07
SPEAKER_00: And this sounds so much better than the little mindfulness one that's through Apple, where you can just put that in and then you're done.
30:14
SPEAKER_00: And you log out your feeling for the day.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: So it's like a quick little journal, and it's nice because it gives you that chance to get that little check-in grade on that.
30:22
SPEAKER_01: So it has journalized moods, then it drills down a little deeper and asks you a little comment about why you're feeling this way, which forces you to pause and check in with yourself, and then it comes up with your own little coping skill.
30:37
SPEAKER_01: It'll say how to get from sad down to the green guy of happy.
30:42
SPEAKER_01: Here's an idea, here's a suggestion, and then those are saved in your calendar.
30:47
SPEAKER_01: So if you ever want to go back, you can just click on it.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: This one suggestions says it's okay to feel sad sometimes.
30:54
SPEAKER_01: Allow yourself to experience these emotions and reach out for support as needed.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: The darkest nines produce the brightest stars.
31:04
SPEAKER_01: So that's my little talk for the day.
31:07
SPEAKER_01: I like that.
31:08
SPEAKER_01: If I have time, I can go straight to the bottom, the orange, and pick an affirmation.
31:15
SPEAKER_01: I've drilled it down to different options.
31:18
SPEAKER_01: So you can create your own if you're working with a therapist.
31:23
SPEAKER_01: I have healing your body, self-love, grieving, feeling safe, anxiety, planning your power, inner child, letting go of control.
31:36
SPEAKER_01: I had one just for schools, feeling safe in my body.
31:41
SPEAKER_01: Then you just quit and it drills it down again.
31:45
SPEAKER_01: There you go.
31:46
SPEAKER_01: So it'll give a list of different positive affirmations.
31:50
SPEAKER_01: And so then you click on one that feels right for you.
31:54
SPEAKER_01: My feelings were always valid, even if no one understood them.
31:59
SPEAKER_01: Click next.
32:00
SPEAKER_01: This is where AI comes in.
32:03
SPEAKER_01: I share a little bit about what I want the affirmation to be personalized for me.
32:09
SPEAKER_01: You gotta type in why so that it can combine the two and make an affirmation just for you.
32:21
SPEAKER_01: Let's just say I'm taking this affirmation for me because I never developed her.
32:43
SPEAKER_01: As it's filling around, and my internet just went out.
32:50
SPEAKER_01: So funny.
32:52
SPEAKER_01: And then I go to the screen and I just click pop up, and then I click whether or not I have a square, a circle, and then I click the amount of time I want to watch, it can go back and forth.
33:07
SPEAKER_01: I can keep my positive affirmation on the screen if I want, or not and can read it to you, and then when you're holding it, it's cool because you can feel it back and forth, so it'll go right left.
33:21
SPEAKER_01: You can feel it, so you don't even need to do it yourself.
33:24
SPEAKER_01: You can watch it and feel it, and the noise goes right left.
33:28
SPEAKER_01: See, you're getting it every way I could be girls.
33:34
SPEAKER_01: It's stored, and if you like that affirmation, really sensitive.
33:37
SPEAKER_01: So you can part it and then you can go back to it if you want.
33:42
SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
33:43
SPEAKER_00: How much does it cost?
33:45
SPEAKER_00: I want to make it accessible.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: And then I have a paid version, it's like seven bucks a month.
33:52
SPEAKER_01: And then for a year, I think it's like 60 paying for AI to do these things.
34:00
SPEAKER_01: It's expensive, which I didn't realize.
34:03
SPEAKER_01: So there's a limit on affirmations for the free ones, and then the paid one is just whatever makes you happy.
34:12
SPEAKER_00: That's not bad at all, price-wise, compared to other things out there.
34:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:17
SPEAKER_00: Can you use your health savings account to pay for that?
34:20
SPEAKER_00: I assume that'd be a little more difficult to try and figure out how to attach that into your app store.
34:27
SPEAKER_00: You gave me a challenge, and now I'm gonna see if I can do that.
34:30
SPEAKER_01: That'd be amazing since it is mental health.
34:33
SPEAKER_01: I just gotta figure out the purpose.
34:36
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34:48
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35:06
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35:11
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35:20
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35:35
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35:49
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35:51
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36:00
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36:03
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36:13
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36:20
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36:21
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36:25
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36:30
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36:35
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37:05
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37:09
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37:20
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37:27
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37:33
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37:36
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37:42
SPEAKER_00: Those that are listening, the health savings account, and so there's HSA and then there's FSA, which is a federal savings account, I think is what I called it.
37:52
SPEAKER_00: So the health savings account is always the better if you have two choices.
37:56
SPEAKER_00: I used to do medical billing coding.
37:58
SPEAKER_00: The health savings rolls over every year, where the federal one does not.
38:02
SPEAKER_00: It's use it or lose it for the year.
38:04
SPEAKER_00: So health savings.
38:05
SPEAKER_00: So infuriating because it's your money.
38:08
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
38:09
SPEAKER_00: And you can use it on band-aids, like you could just go to Walgreens CVS and just buy your sunglasses for your iDoc or whatever.
38:19
SPEAKER_00: Um, health savings, really think of it as like your 401k, but for your health.
38:26
SPEAKER_00: That's the best way to think of it.
38:28
SPEAKER_00: So you want to be putting as much money into it as possible and letting that roll over if possible.
38:34
SPEAKER_00: If you have four kids like me, good luck.
38:37
SPEAKER_00: But especially when you get to the braces.
38:39
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, I just finished mine.
38:42
SPEAKER_00: My oldest went into them and I decided I'm doing it too.
38:45
SPEAKER_00: I had my molars caved in on this side.
38:47
SPEAKER_00: So it wasn't like to look pretty, but it does look a lot prettier.
38:51
SPEAKER_00: It was actually so I could chew on all sides of my mouth.
38:53
SPEAKER_00: And why are health savings has been wiped out with several those being in braces?
38:58
SPEAKER_00: But it really is a great wealth management.
39:02
SPEAKER_00: When you get older, that's when your body starts to fall apart.
39:06
SPEAKER_00: Having a health savings account will be extremely helpful, especially because insurance does not cover as much as it does when you're younger.
39:13
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna work.
39:15
SPEAKER_01: What does it say?
39:16
SPEAKER_01: No, it's saying that I, as a therapist, help clients explore and validate their emotions.
39:23
SPEAKER_01: Now I'm able to have a safe space for others to be here.
39:27
SPEAKER_01: I like that.
39:30
SPEAKER_00: And then you click start, and it'll tell you it's better to have headphones in so it can go in both ears.
39:38
SPEAKER_00: And then it'll split on the screen, and then you can hit splitter, and just go back for.
39:47
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's two dots.
39:48
SPEAKER_01: Mine was always one.
39:50
SPEAKER_01: You can pick one, or you can do two.
39:52
SPEAKER_01: It's your preference.
39:53
SPEAKER_01: I like two because I'm easily distracted.
39:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's easier to see.
39:58
SPEAKER_00: I had to have my therapist slow it down for me because it just became blurry after a while.
40:02
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
40:02
SPEAKER_00: I wear contacts, so when they dry out because I'm too busy staring at it.
40:08
SPEAKER_01: So I can do different shapes and colors.
40:12
SPEAKER_01: I can have three on because I'm HD, and so I need options.
40:19
SPEAKER_00: And have it be different each time, yes.
40:22
SPEAKER_00: This works for all ages, stages.
40:25
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
40:26
SPEAKER_01: Bilateral sterilization, there's a lot more research coming up, but it's shown to calm your nervous system, help really tough memories, not feel as tough, calms your anxiety, and it's actually showing that it helps sleep as well.
40:43
SPEAKER_01: If you have a lot of trauma stuck in your brain, every time you go into rent sleep, it's constantly being told, No, don't process that, is interrupting your rent sleep, so you don't get good quality sleep.
40:56
SPEAKER_01: This is telling your body it's state constantly, so it's getting these little moments to help you get into rent sleep.
41:03
SPEAKER_00: I needed to have more protein, that was what my therapist always recommended afterwards, and I needed to go to bed earlier.
41:10
SPEAKER_00: My body was just like, You're gonna need more sleep, and this is gonna be like a huge moment for you, so here you go.
41:19
SPEAKER_01: Yes, your brain and body is used to doing this, but when you're unconscious and you're asleep, and we're activating that part of your brain and telling the right left to communicate with each other better, that takes a lot of energy and time, and the more REM sleep you get, quicker it's the neural pathways will form and heal.
41:41
SPEAKER_01: It's cool.
41:42
SPEAKER_01: There's an MRI study, and you can see the brain scam before and after, and after EMDR, there's new little pathways that are formed.
41:52
SPEAKER_00: It's really cool.
41:53
SPEAKER_00: Thank you to whoever stuck themselves in the machine for us.
41:57
SPEAKER_00: That it wasn't me.
41:58
SPEAKER_00: I had one oh maybe seven months ago.
42:01
SPEAKER_00: No thanks.
42:02
SPEAKER_00: I'm good.
42:06
SPEAKER_00: It also sounds like this the best time of day would probably be right before sleep.
42:11
SPEAKER_00: I use it at night.
42:13
SPEAKER_01: I have a little timer on for myself.
42:15
SPEAKER_01: And if I don't have a bunch of time, I can at least do 30 seconds or a minute.
42:20
SPEAKER_01: It helps with sleep, and it's something good that I can do for my body, my nervous system after COVID, after hurricane bleeding, after being a parent.
42:33
SPEAKER_00: After being a therapist, all the places where you've been where you were very needed, and there weren't enough of you to go around.
42:43
SPEAKER_01: There's not enough funding.
42:44
SPEAKER_01: So my contribution is my app.
42:48
SPEAKER_01: Maybe you can give tools to individuals to feel better.
42:53
SPEAKER_00: This is something that I will definitely be checking out.
42:56
SPEAKER_00: It's a really great price point.
42:59
SPEAKER_00: Take any feedback and make it better, any hiccups, please let me know.
43:04
SPEAKER_00: And this is something that you can easily put into your routine, it's not this big thing.
43:09
SPEAKER_00: We're already on our phones a lot anyway.
43:11
SPEAKER_00: We might as well have some mental health with it.
43:14
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
43:15
SPEAKER_01: It's a way to make your phone healthy or your brain.
43:20
SPEAKER_00: I'm just thinking about I have ADHD too, and there's times where I am just so burned out that I'm scrolling social media.
43:29
SPEAKER_00: I can't get to the point of being so overwhelmed that I feel like I need a scroll.
43:36
SPEAKER_00: And I don't scroll very often, but I have been this week with everything going on with my dog.
43:42
SPEAKER_00: Dog is a part of your family, baby.
43:44
SPEAKER_00: So she's my snuggle bug.
43:46
SPEAKER_00: I tease my husband that he's all guy, like up in your face or out of the way.
43:50
SPEAKER_00: Where she's I'm demanding snuggles and I'm gonna be right up against you type of creature.
43:56
SPEAKER_01: So she's automatically just calming your nervous.
44:00
SPEAKER_01: System with presence is like that tuning for she can't be on the couch right now.
44:05
SPEAKER_00: Well that because the jumping up and the jumping down and the worry of that.
44:09
SPEAKER_00: And she is such a creature.
44:11
SPEAKER_00: Like she demands to like chin with weight until you pay attention to her.
44:17
SPEAKER_00: The sad on.
44:18
SPEAKER_00: I will invite her up and then she'll jump off and she'll need a re-invite.
44:23
SPEAKER_00: She can't just decide, oh mommy already invited me up, I can come back up.
44:27
SPEAKER_00: No, she needs a invitation, basically.
44:29
SPEAKER_00: She's so funny.
44:31
SPEAKER_00: And very intense, very healer.
44:34
SPEAKER_00: I'm missing my regulation.
44:36
SPEAKER_00: You my natural oxytocin regulation.
44:40
SPEAKER_00: I will said oxycon.
44:41
SPEAKER_00: Oxytocin.
44:42
SPEAKER_01: I've done that a couple times.
44:44
SPEAKER_01: And then I'll have a client look at me funny.
44:46
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, hmm, I said it wrong, didn't I?
44:49
SPEAKER_01: And then they laugh at you and say yes.
44:51
SPEAKER_00: But it breaks the ice.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: So there you go.
44:54
SPEAKER_00: And here.
44:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:55
SPEAKER_00: And I love that it works for all ages.
44:57
SPEAKER_00: It's a great stopgap for therapy.
45:00
SPEAKER_00: It sounds like therapy still, like if this isn't enough, yes, absolutely.
45:07
SPEAKER_01: Like the dentist, brush your teeth and that helps.
45:11
SPEAKER_01: But you don't know what's going on until you have a professional have a conversation with you.
45:16
SPEAKER_01: Just like the dentist chucking your teeth.
45:18
SPEAKER_01: Have a therapist having a little conversation.
45:21
SPEAKER_00: See, I was thinking like the dental hygienist like you can't see where to clean until they're up in there.
45:26
SPEAKER_00: It's the dental hygienist, so it's totally fresh in my mind.
45:30
SPEAKER_00: I was trying to see where plaque was and where it wasn't.
45:34
SPEAKER_00: Can I get my old scraper?
45:35
SPEAKER_00: And yes you can but you should not.
45:39
SPEAKER_00: My grandma had one when I was growing up so I'd see it in her medicine cabinet.
45:44
SPEAKER_00: We can overdo it and we don't always do it quite right.
45:48
SPEAKER_00: So it makes sense.
45:50
SPEAKER_00: Same with a therapist.
45:52
SPEAKER_01: See a professional I would not try and fix my car by watching YouTube.
45:58
SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna try and remove a wisdom tube by myself.
46:03
SPEAKER_00: No thank you.
46:04
SPEAKER_00: Mine were impacted.
46:05
SPEAKER_00: I still have scars in my cheek from it.
46:08
SPEAKER_00: It looked like my husband had clocked me right here like a big old bruise and people were looking at me funny.
46:13
SPEAKER_00: It was like only you knew I hit him before he'd ever hit me and I still would it he is a big old teddy bear but you just never know.
46:22
SPEAKER_00: I love that you put so much thought into this lots of people try this out and you refined it to even get to this point where you're on my podcast.
46:33
SPEAKER_00: I love that you added AI to it and that it's not the general public AI.
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SPEAKER_00: It very much is artificial intelligence and I feel like there is a difference between AI and artificial intelligence at this point.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah you think of like Gemini ChatGPT like the I don't know if you'd even say basic my husband would correct me with his tech nerdiness but he's not here the difference for me is very much the basic versus you have it tailored and it's making smart decisions based off of what you already fed it and refined it to be where you use it individual better yes because it's learning what where you are your patterns what are some of your pain points and it'll get better as you go.
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SPEAKER_00: Which is better than a very busy therapist who has to look at notes to refresh generally I'm bad at names but when a person comes in I can tell you their whole history I'm the same way as a coach.
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SPEAKER_00: I am terrible at names but I can remember specific things about people my husband is trying to remember someone's name saying he remembers all this stuff about them I said honestly I think that's better.
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SPEAKER_00: He said no I think it's better that you have both I'm like fine you win.
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SPEAKER_00: But if I'm gonna remember a name versus personal details that they shared with me I think it'd be better to yeah like for me for sure although I swear everyone remembers at least close enough to my name it's usually amber or spring or I'm like ah you're close but it's autumn just so you know the best season.
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SPEAKER_00: Once I say that it like clicks through the I like that.
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SPEAKER_00: Anyway share again the name of the app and it will be in the the description so you can just click on it from there too.
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SPEAKER_00: I love it.
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SPEAKER_01: The whole idea and there's a website and we're and there's the And I'm always trying to refin so if something goes wanty or a suggestion please send it my way anything I can do to make it better for people totally open to that.
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SPEAKER_00: I love the humility with that too and I feel like the people who are humble and willing to make things better and are remembering that the reason that they created whatever it is they get a lot further than those that are like nope I knew what I was doing and I'm not gonna change it.
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SPEAKER_00: Pride versus humility.
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SPEAKER_01: I created it to help people everybody's so different and what they need is different and what you need from day to day can even be different.
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SPEAKER_01: So you really just gotta be flexible.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah I'm realizing that with coaching there's things that work with certain people that don't with others because of trauma neurodivergency a lot going on in their lives not enough going on their lives because some area of their wellness is super out of balance it really is trying different tools trying different things staying curious until something fits or we're leaning into that until it doesn't anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: So the curiosity piece is so important it sounds like this is something that you're going to be continuing to refine ideas first extra things to add there in the pipeline.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh so we better buy it now before the next expensive thing comes in for you then you have to raise the price thank you this was a great conversation and it sounds like this will be an amazing tool for my third kid who gets dysregulated not just for me so this will be something that we will be adding in to our family for sure and come back those that are wondering for my question about HSA and FSA and I will have an update in the description for you when she gets that far because who knows how long that will take regulation wise for her to get there.
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SPEAKER_00: But I'm gonna make it happen.
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SPEAKER_00: That will be amazing for so many people insurance won't cover it but if I can use this instead so smart.
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SPEAKER_00: So thank you for that suggestion.
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SPEAKER_00: See this is why I want suggestions because there's things I just don't think of that's the thing about when you're in the middle of whatever project you're working on this is why it's important to have a coach a mentor absolutely other people who are in similar fields this is why you have the what is it the five people or is it eight that you most hang out with that should be a little bit higher up than you and where you want to be for that reason.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes peer pressure to move up yep exactly or have a spouse that challenges you that's why my husband married me and he challenges me too if I see something that he should be doing I will start here and he knows that I'm very driven like when he was looking at other people he was interested in dating and comparing to me good to be around people who make you want to be a better person instead of just become complacent absolutely what's the point if you're gonna be bored and stuck that's still fun 16 years in we're definitely not bored.
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SPEAKER_00: I keep him on his toes see the angel halo is it still there anyway yeah thank you for this conversation this was so much fun and I just love talking therapy has helped me so much.
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SPEAKER_00: Same and a therapist yeah and I have family members that are still struggling and that are saying I've been stuck like this for this long why should I change it now no because you can be happier why not but there can also be fear with that because of the unknown and there's the tunnel that you have to go through before you see that light and the happiness and honestly stuff does come up stuff that you don't fully want to deal with but getting to that other side is so amazingly worth it.
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SPEAKER_00: And you want to be able to do it when you have control over things instead of all of it exploding at once on you.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah it's better to be able to choose that you're gonna work on and yeah because we've all been there where we had that panic attack or we just feel like we can't sleep because that nightmare is going to keep coming back or whatever traumatic symptom that we have.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And life is so much better when we can get beyond that.
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SPEAKER_01: So use the app and then if anybody wants to actually work with you as a therapist do you want to let us know about that as well you can go on my website mindcircuit.org and it has a link to my availability and take insurance and license on Illinois and North Carolina generally pretty well booked but if it's trauma based just let me know what's going on and I generally try and get everybody in that example and if not I assume that you refer absolutely yes there's so many excellent therapists out there we refer all the time and that doesn't mean that it was a bad therapist or you're a bad person.
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SPEAKER_00: It's really that personality and you need to find somebody who you feel safe with but will also push you because there are therapists that you feel so safe with that you become complacent.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes and then they don't push you progress and that's why you know you're paying a lot insurance wise to not make progress.
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SPEAKER_01: Because I had that conversation with tempo clients where I'm like we most know you're not making a lot of progress we both know that you don't like this let me refer you to someone you deserve to feel better.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not the best fit for you the time and the money let's make it work for the right thing absolutely is there anything else you want to leave us with just be kind to your nervous system be kind to your own wiring I love that thinking of that car put that oil in exactly thank you this has been fun yes thank you and everybody else be kind to your nervous system check in with yourself this is an amazing app to help you and if you feel like you need more than an app reach out to a therapist you can reach out to me and I can help refer you you can reach out to Erin she can help refer you we both have a list of therapists that we refer to your mental health matters and it impacts every other system every other area of your life your body everyone around you take the time thank you thank you thanks for tuning in to this week's episode I am your host Autumn Carter a certified life coach dedicated to empowering individuals to rediscover their identity find balance miss chaos strengthen relationships and pursue their dreams my goal is to help people thrive in every aspect of their lives.
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