Latest / Two Girls and a Cup of Wellness / Faith & Holistic Healing After Breast Cancer with Joya Robertson | Ep 28
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- Crissy and Marie: Hey everyone, welcome back for another Two Girls in a Couple Wellness chat. Today we have the beautiful Joya. Welcome. Yay. Joya Robertson: Thank you. I'm so honored to be here. I'm excited to jump into all things wellness. Crissy and Marie: Yes. And thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing your story and your passion of life with us and our listeners. Yeah. So I mean time breast cancer survivor. And for myself being a one-time, I pray I'm never in the same shoes as you, but Joya Robertson: Yeah. Crissy and Marie: wow, right? And you what what is so beautiful? One of the things that sticks out to me is when We are faced with certain things in life that, you know, can be really daunting and hard and not what we quote unquote planned. We, you know, we can definitely go down this rabbit hole and spiral of like, I can't believe this is my life type of thing, right? So there's so many beautiful cancer thrivers and survivors out there that really take it in the complete opposite direction. And turn their pain into purpose. And I I'm doing the same thing. And you two times now are still showing up in this world and trying to inspire others. And just by showing up in the world, number one, you're inspiring others, but with your message and just how you promote everything and and keep everybody abreast, like in your actual community and everything, is really beautiful and and honorable. So thank you. Joya Robertson: Thank you so much. And we can dive in wherever you want, but I had to say real quick about that. I was the other way the first time. in many, many ways. And then the second time was a healing journey on so many different levels. So Crissy and Marie: t take us on the healing journey. Like what are on so many levels? Like what is that? Joya Robertson: Well, yeah. you know, the first cancer journey was literally ten years ago. So it's almost even hard to remember that woman that I was, that young woman. My daughter was like two when I was diagnosed. And yeah, like I went through the whole thing, like just everything Western, you know, like didn't know left from right when it came to cancer at all. I had no idea it actually was a mutation in my dad's genes. So they never talk about that, you know. Like it's always like, Has your has your mother? Has your mom Crissy and Marie: interesting. Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Joya Robertson: has your sister had breast cancer? But no. Crissy and Marie: And men Joya Robertson: Yes, I have the ATM Crissy and Marie: get breast cancer. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Joya Robertson: mutation and my dad had had cancer twice. my goodness. Well, anyway, I I went through, you know, chemo, double mastectomies, multiple complications, like emergency surgeries with the reconstruction process, infections, shocks, pills, like it was really, really tough. And unfortunately I ended up getting divorced or at that same time period of my life. Like it was Crissy and Marie: I'm sure the stress of that probably didn't help either. No, right. Yeah. Joya Robertson: Hot mess. It was a hot mess. It was literally, I call it the rock bottom year. It was the hardest thing I've ever been through. And I would love to say that that, you know, was such a testimony for me. And then there were some things. You know, I did get to speak on some stages about making it through that hard time and then having a complete recovery, no evidence of disease after that like really terrible hard year and kind of like rising from the ashes. I had all that. But I my mindset was poor. It was poor and it wasn't so much victim mentality. It was more so like I wanted to shut down, shut off, and move on with my life in the traditional way that I thought was the right way, which is like, okay, I'm single. First of all, I'm like, have like an inch of hair. I'm like, when do I start dating? And it's like when do I find another plan? And it's Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: like, What? You know, like to me, like looking back, I'm like, who was this girl? So I stopped going to therapy because I was sick of talking about cancer, which was such a mistake. And I went back to old habits, which included drinking to stress cope, which again, like Crissy and Marie: Mm-hmm. Joya Robertson: this is 10 years ago, y'all. Like no one sat me down and said, You should not have any alcohol because you've had breast cancer. Crissy and Marie: Right. Yeah. Joya Robertson: you know. Like no one had a heart to heart with me about like do this, don't do this. It was just like, Yeah, you survived and here's Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: your tamoxfin and like we're gonna check in once a year and that's it. Crissy and Marie: So disappointing because information was out there, but providers don't teach it. Even now. But yeah, yeah. And not to mention too, Joya Robertson: Yeah. No. There's there's like nothing to handle it. Crissy and Marie: what's interesting is like back then, now there's that this kind of like sober movement, right? There's so many people that are sober curious or or trying to not, you know, drink as much. And back then though, everybody would you're probably all your friends were like, Wait, you're gonna stop drinking? Why? Here and force drinks on you, right? Now it's different. Joya Robertson: R yeah. We were like going out to celebrate the divorce and things like that. So my goodness, it was just it was just me in in survival mode, honestly. I you Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: know, God is so good. He's such a big part of my story, but I was able to get a promotion at work right at the right at the time when I was literally about to pl apply for Medicaid. No no shame to people on Medicaid. It's just I was de I was really desperate for like a season of medical debt and being single mom for the first time. But I got this amazing promotion. My my career path is speech pathology. So I was able to basically supervise an entire company. And that sort of led me into this also workaholism. Like I was working on Sundays. It was, it was very much like a a coping mechanism. So those two Crissy and Marie: Mm. Joya Robertson: things really created this like toxic lifestyle. and you know, like I I would try to to do like I knew losing some weight was a good idea because I'd gained so much weight on that journey of like chemo and things like that, so many women do. But I lost weight over time and like dating on and off. It was just it wasn't pretty. It wasn't pretty. But I made it six years and I hate to almost tell the stuff part of my story where I'm like, okay, and then the reoccurrence 'cause I know women who've only had it once, this is like their biggest fear. Crissy and Marie: And it is, you know, but this is also real life. Like I think that it's important for everybody to understand that just because you had it once doesn't does not mean that it can't happen again. You're almost predispositioned for it to come back. Yeah. So it's it's really important to hear stories like this and not out of fear, but more out of empowerment, right? So now hearing, you know, what was that four years later that you were. Okay, six years later you were diagnosed. So six years go by and then you get those terrible news again. But now, like looking to see, looking at how far you've come and how it is two completely different scenarios, right? You needed that second one to happen again in order for you to really heal through this, right? And as hard as that is to say, and probably hear, it's it's the truth. We really We're given things for reasons. Right. One hundred percent. Yeah. Joya Robertson: I agree and it's like It's so hard to be like, I'm grateful for cancer. I feel like a lot of women are gonna be like, What, you know? Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Yep. Joya Robertson: Especially when you're just diagnosed and you're going through it, like I remember what it felt like. But Crissy and Marie: Can't see that. Yeah. Joya Robertson: this journey like really changed my life. So so in that six year time frame, stress eating, stress drinking, like trying to figure out my new normal as a single mom, stroverworking, striving, there was also a lot of well, okay. There's no it was also 2020 in this time period. So there was like a ton of fear. It was like in the thoughts Crissy and Marie: Right. And that was the year I was diagnosed was twenty twenty, so I get it. Yes. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Joya Robertson: and just like all of these things. Like it was just so much fear and stress and anxiety. And I mean That's just not good, you know, for our nervous Crissy and Marie: Yeah, yeah. Joya Robertson: system and our our cells on a cellular level. So about I think it was twenty twenty-two, you know, we made it like a couple years later. And I had this little lump that they were just looking at and monitoring that had been non-cancerous. It didn't look like anything, but every six months I was getting ultrasounded just to make sure there was no growth. It had become this routine thing that I was like, you know, when I first felt little lumps and bumps, I was like, my gosh, like I'm dying, but over time it became like, like this is nothing. I was literally on the way to go and apply for a mortgage for my house that I rented. I own it now. And I was just like, I'm just gonna stop by, do little ultrasound. And then it just it was different that time. Like Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: just thinking about that moment in time, boy, you know, it's just like Wait, this isn't going the way it had been going. Like they're like they're looking Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Joya Robertson: at this in a different way. they want to bring me back to biopsy really quickly. Like, what's happening? And then to get that call and be like, it's the same exact cancer in the same exact breast, in almost the same location of the major tumor the first time, despite mastectomy, full, you know, full recovery, all of the things. Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Quick question. what type of breast cancer did you have? Were you triple positive, triple negative, ERPR? Her two, just HER2. And estrogen. Okay. Okay. Joya Robertson: No, with our two and her two, her two, her two and estrogen. Which is why I had been on tamoxifen. That was pretty much the only thing that, you know, every year I was like tamoxifen, yearly checkup, okay, your breast I had got breast implants too with all of that. Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Yeah. Joya Robertson: Your breast implants look good. That's pretty much it. And that's pretty much it now too, but Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Yeah. Joya Robertson: because of this little lump. But the lump I it had been growing and I was blocking it. So that like my whole world just kind of came crashing down at that moment. I was like went into like I'm gonna die. And at that point in time, really the only thing I knew, the only storyline I had been told through media, through movies, is like, the poor mother, her her cancer comes back. And then she she's out of the show. She's out of the book. It's done. Crissy and Marie: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Joya Robertson: And so that was just like my gosh, this is what happens. And it is it has happened to people I know, you know, it does happen, but it also doesn't happen and we just don't hear it. So Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: in that journey, it's hard to explain everything that happened in a very short amount of time. But One, let's see where to start. Like I I had a huge gut okay, I go back to my oncologist and he's like, I'm so sorry, the cancer is back. Because it's back, we have to really throw everything at it. I hadn't had to do radiation the first time. He's like, You need to do radiation and I'm like, I really don't want to do chemo again. I really don't want to Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: do chemo again and he's like, You have to do chemo and it has to be the the hard kind, the red devil kind, because we can't go back to the old way. And I'm like, no, but you know, as a mom. Like I I can't, I don't know anymore. So I'm just like, okay, like I'm gonna get my mind set up. I'm gonna do this again, you know. Crissy and Marie: Yeah, you feel like the obligation, yeah. Joya Robertson: So I also started just getting this like supernatural feeling, this download from the Holy Spirit of there's more. There's just more. And this time Crissy and Marie: Mm-hmm. Joya Robertson: you can't put all your trust into just what these people who you go to the appointments say. And they were there's they are good people. I had all good doctors. Crissy and Marie: Course. Yeah. Joya Robertson: They weren't even ti they weren't even like they were bad. They weren't bad. They were all good. But I knew there was something more. I had heard like a podcast. I heard Dr. Josh Axe. I don't know if y'all know him. I had heard him Crissy and Marie: yeah. Mm-hmm. Joya Robertson: on a Christian podcast about a year before. And I'm so grateful for that moment because he talked about healing his mother's Crissy and Marie: His mom. Joya Robertson: breast cancer all naturally, through functional medicine things. And so I'm like, there's something out here called functional medicine. Like, what is this? So I Crissy and Marie: And now it's everywhere, right? This is like almost four years ago, right? And now it's like it's all you hear. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Joya Robertson: Yes. Thank goodness. Thank goodness. Thank goodness. Although although it's sad because like our our society is such a in a s sickly place that people have to look for these answers like I did. Crissy and Marie: Yeah. But you know what? I'm telling you, I am seeing more and more, probably because of the podcasts and me me having, you know, breast cancer and just kind of living in this world, there is a whole other world of holistic healing and functional medicine that, you know, there's a lot of people that don't want this information to get out. One hundred percent. But if you Joya Robertson: Visum. Crissy and Marie: really do your own digging, if anybody is listening right now. going through it and you're having that same kind of message or download coming in like there's got to be more to my healing. I can incorporate holistic healing into this. You can, you can. And they just don't want us to hear it. So anyway, sorry. I I I can go on that soapbox forever. Joya Robertson: Totally agree. Yeah. Crissy and Marie: I actually even today I'm reading a book and I just said I wish I read this book when I had breast cancer because I would have had so many more questions. And I just kind of went with the flow. And that's the key. That's the key that I try, even with medical professionals. Don't think inside the box. Ask the questions. Ask the questions because then you're thinking, you're broadening your mind. And what you're fed in school isn't isn't like the holy grail. Like you have to look out and look beyond, right? But it's like when you're asking those questions. When you first get diagnosed, your brain is like ding ding ding ding. Like, my gosh. And and you're not thinking straight. And it's hard to even think, but you know. People are getting the information out there and more and more books are coming out to help. That's great. Right. And and podcasts like this and other podcasts and and things like that. So yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Joya Robertson: Yeah, I agree. I mean on a societal level too, we've just been in this culture. You know, I grew up in the eighties. There's a pill for every ill. There's, you know, the doc Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Yeah. Joya Robertson: like you get a boo boo and the doctor is the only one who can cure you. And it there's a there's Crissy and Marie: Mm-hmm. Joya Robertson: just a lot. I I we could probably go down a conspiracy rabbit hole. it's the truth. It's not Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: a conspiracy, you know, of like why big pharma wins, right? And keeps us sick. But but but on a positive note, you know, putting Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Yeah. They're trying to kill us. That's my saying. Right. Joya Robertson: What exactly you just said is that yes, like getting people getting information out there. And I'm so grateful for Crispy Cancer because Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: he like one the occupational therapists at my school just left the book. She was like, I have this book, and I was Yeah, great. She just let me borrow that book. And I just remember like seeing it and reading it. And then that that direction definitely changed my life. It was the first and really only choice that I kind of knew that was a clear choice to delve into that. like rabbit hole. Crissy and Marie: Mm-hmm. Joya Robertson: you know, and I just started binging all his podcasts, trying to implement his methods. So what happened though, like this is interesting. This is an interesting thing from a Western medical perspective. Cause it's like people don't know this kind stuff. What happened was, okay, I'm gonna get bring it back to like my ment my mentality. Single mom, scarcity mindset, my gosh, money, you know, like How am I gonna do this? Crissy and Marie: Fear based. Joya Robertson: I know financially now what the devastation is because I've been there and I've crawled my way out of it before. So I'm telling my my medical team, look, it's March. I'm at this point I was working at a university and I had a ten month contract, I'd be off in June and July. I said, Look, it's March. If I can just delay treatment for two months and then I could like do the chemo during the summer when I'm off and I won't have to take off time from work, which is just sad that I had to do that. But but that's where I was at in my mind. And my I did my my oncologist one day called me. He's like, okay, so here's an idea. Why don't you start on the immunotherapy? It was supposed to be like the the red devil, the AC. I can't remember the the name Crissy and Marie: Mm-hmm. Joya Robertson: for it. I re I can't remember. the AC, and then we do surgery, and then we start on the the immunotherapy. And he's like, Why don't we start on the immunotherapy first? W it will give us bias some time, and you can make it to the summer. And then at that point we'll surgery and then go on the harder chemo. And I was like, I didn't want to go on chemo at all, hard chemo. Like, Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: yeah, that sounds great. Like anything to delay that. So that sounds great. So Crissy and Marie: gosh, yeah. Joya Robertson: went got went got the port and started taking that. And I'm I mean that like just everything combined was so good. And this is where people need to know there are options to combine things because at the same Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: time I started this infusion. I went completely plant based. And I don't think that plant based is like the end all be all. I did I did at that in for a while, but Crissy and Marie: think when you're first like, you know, trying to combat cancer, it's really good, you know, to get all of all of the the nutrients in to create kind of like, but to for some people to sustain that for a long time, i Joya Robertson: Yeah. Crissy and Marie: it might not be for everybody and that's okay, right? Like do th do things that feel right to you. And in that moment. I I'm the kind of firm believer, like I'll never tell anybody what to do or not to do. Right. If that feels good to you to be completely pam plant based at that time, I'll do it. If you want to eat the protein and you know, whatever. But for some people they they have a it completely cleans up their diet if they go that drastic 'cause they're eating a lot of processed foods. So right. Yeah. Yeah. It's not easy. Joya Robertson: That was quite an experience. I I didn't realize I was gonna go through a whole detox. I felt terrible for like three weeks, but I was just eating Crissy and Marie: Mm-hmm. Wow. Joya Robertson: that like giant salad from Chris every single day. Like my life depended on it because it did. It did. And then I started Crissy and Marie: It is. Joya Robertson: just like over the time period of maybe it was like Just a couple months it seemed like. The the timelines are fuzzy, but like two to three months where I'm getting this infusion and I can tell it's working because the tumor is shrinking, but I'm also fasting and I'm also just praying my heart out. I was doing all kinds of things I had never done before and it was also kind of like it wasn't safe to go to church back then. So I just like put oil on my breast and I would like pray for it every night, like deep prayers. And then I started doing that work that he talks about. His program where you're like, now you need to emotionally detox and just sit. I call it like my cocoon of healing and just sit for hours all day on a Saturday, just journaling and praying and like releasing Crissy and Marie: Yes. Joya Robertson: unforgiveness and bitterness, things that I hadn't thought Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Mm. Joya Robertson: about in so long. and I would just, you know, have these spurts of like, okay, I'm getting rid of all the candles, and I'll just throw all the candles away. And then like the next day I'd be like, Okay, okay, good makeup. Okay, that makes up. Crissy and Marie: That's this one over here. Marie's the same way. I'm like the endocrine disrupting queen. I'm like, gosh. It's giving us cancer. Joya Robertson: And you know, when you don't know that and you're completely full of like toxic laundry detergent, I was a makeup queen, like I loved everything. Like if make if there was a makeup that was in style, like on TikTok or whatever, like I had to have the the eyelash palette or the eyebrow, whatever the things are. This Crissy and Marie: Mm-hmm. Joya Robertson: is a lot of makeup for me today, and it's mostly non-talks, but you know, like I I just kind of went on this journey and I would feel The tumor shrinking to where we got to the end Crissy and Marie: That's awesome. Joya Robertson: of okay, now we're gonna surgery the planned surgery and then go on the harder chemo. But I'm like, I don't feel anything. Like, what's happening? So, really, what happened was they went ahead and did surgery and it was already completely gone. They knew where to cut out, they cut out something, and there was nothing they could find, no cancer. And so my doctor Crissy and Marie: That's amazing. That's awesome. Joya Robertson: was like, You don't have to go on that chemo. And he's like, you don't have to do radiation. And I ran with that. I was like, okay, good. I stayed on the immunotherapy. Yeah, I stayed on the immunotherapy Crissy and Marie: Yeah. You're like running out the door. Yeah. Joya Robertson: for several months. Crissy and Marie: Mm-hmm. Joya Robertson: and then and then after I got off of that, I s I had just completely entered into this new world. I I found a detox program and I did a very crazy three week detox where I started doing things like coffee enemas and all the stuff that I thought was just w wild and wacky and crazy before, Crissy and Marie: Mm. Joya Robertson: but that really like changed my life because it was the complete remission without the chemo and radiation. Crissy and Marie: Yeah, yeah. So so what have you taken from that and you continue like as a preventative? Joya Robertson: Yeah, I still love coffee animas. Crissy and Marie: Yeah, I still want to try one. What brand did you buy? Joya Robertson: gosh. I forgot the first one. No, I've got Crissy and Marie: Is it the bum bag, boom bag or something? Joya Robertson: the I've got that one now too, like the bum coffee. And then I used to do like I think it's called Pure Life. I think pure something. I don't even rem Crissy and Marie: Okay. Joya Robertson: I don't remember. It's a happy bum. That's what I have right now. Yeah, that's what I have right now. Yeah. Crissy and Marie: Happy bum. my god. What does I say in bum code? Bum code is something else. We'll have to do that and then we'll do a whole podcast interview on that. Like, are we gonna do it together? I love you. Not that much. All right, Joyel, you'll walk us through it. Joya Robertson: It's you guys call me because it's a learning curve. I just had some broccoli, you know, food is medicine. like the detox, like I'm just like looking at my environment. I'm like the detox lifestyle, like there's plants over here, there's no more toxic candles, I don't you know, do anything like that. I'm I'm into ionized water. I sell the Congen machine. So I drink hydrogen Crissy and Marie: Mm-hmm. Joya Robertson: water like it's going out of sty style every day. That's a big one. I have a infrared sauna. A lot of this stuff, you know, you just kinda like live this lifestyle and you just pick up these health tools, whether it's something little like going outside and breathing some fresh air every single day, or if it's a nice day, Crissy and Marie: And then just keep on adding things. Vitamin D. Joya Robertson: letting that like fresh air come into your home to detox your home air pollution. Or yeah, getting some fresh sun, grounding, Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: Yeah, I could go on and on. Crissy and Marie: There's so many amazing practices Joya Robertson: There are yeah. Crissy and Marie: and tools out there. And a lot of them, you know, are free too. Yeah. Joya Robertson: Yeah. Crissy and Marie: The earth's the earth really provides us with so much of that. Joya Robertson: Yeah. Crissy and Marie: you know, when I was looking at some of your Instagram posts, there was one in particular that stood out to me. you were getting ready to go. Do a scan. Joya Robertson: Mm-hmm. Crissy and Marie: And for the people who have never gone through cancer, there is a thing called skin anxiety, where anytime we have to go and get another test done, this our nervous system goes into overdrive. I do that too. Do you? Yes. When we pay out. Okay. All right, good. Well, yes. I'm a nurse friend session and I still get nervous. So anybody can experience it, of course. But I love the fact that. You came on, I think it's really important for everybody to understand that just because we're cancer free doesn't mean that a lot of the fear and the emotions are gone too. They don't it's not like a light switch and it's just automatically gone. I mean, years and years go by and that's just you'll get an inkling of like or a flashback of, or you gotta go for the scans and have moments. So I so appreciate you. putting that out into the world. And it's not in it's not in the this fear of trying to promote more fear, but it's this sense of realness that most cancer survivors and thrivers still go through. And I think a lot of people don't understand that. They just think, okay, well, you're cancer free, cool. You're going to go right back to who you were before. And you don't. You can't. You're not, right? It's really important to Or you try like you did the first time. Yeah. Joya Robertson: Yeah. And you're just dealing with, you know, yeah, it's not that shut the door, it's like a push down, it feels like like a Crissy and Marie: Yeah, try to shut that door. Try to mask it. Yeah, suppress Joya Robertson: being or Pushing down because it is real trauma to your body, and the body keeps score and the body knows. And Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Yes. Joya Robertson: my doctor, my oncologist knows that we are gonna have phone calls or telehealth because going in and smelling the cancer center is very triggering and seeing all of the people in treatment Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Mm. Joya Robertson: is super triggering to me. I still am working through that. I'm four years post the reoccurrence, but I still, yeah, like I like like on the post, that was just a couple months ago, right? Like Crissy and Marie: Yeah, yeah. Joya Robertson: I'm still like, okay, like what's it gonna be? It Crissy and Marie: Right. And it's Joya Robertson: feels like are we gonna get another year, God? Like do we get another year or not? You know, it's it's so Crissy and Marie: Yeah. It's Joya Robertson: tough. Crissy and Marie: it's important to understand that healing never ends. And I Joya Robertson: Yeah. Crissy and Marie: think a lot of people think, well, I'm healed. You're never healed. We're always healing through something, right? It may not be necessarily just the cancer diagnosis, but like my father just passed away a couple months ago. And Joya Robertson: So Crissy and Marie: I too kind of felt the same thing of the smell of The hospital of going in and out of the hospital and and even just the drive down there. I, I, I can feel it like coming. And I, it's one of those things that I know that I have to release it. So as those are coming up, moments to pause, moments to scream, moments to cry, moments to just breathe, right? There, and there's not just one way to work through it, just acknowledge it. And then notice whatever emotion comes up. Again, it could be rage and just like screaming in your car or hitting a punching bag, right? Or it could be true sadness or confusion. And just be with those emotions and don't suppress them. I think, you know, you telling your story of how you suppressed everything in the beginning is so beautiful and vulnerable. So thank you for sharing that. But so many people, cancer or not, so many people suppress their emotions and we need to feel them and we need to get them up and out. Cause then once we release them, then you know, you're not so tied to it or you you really heal a little bit, you let them go and you create some space in your essence, really. Joya Robertson: Yeah, I agree I agree completely. I mean, I think emotions are a big thing with underlying root cause for cancer. Trapped emotions, Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Well well things are happening. Like all sorts of, you know, hormones and endocrine things are releasing, like epinephrine, and that can't be good for you. Like I used to say years ago, when when I'm I'm crazy, but I'm still crazy. But the poor pigs that go to the slaughterhouse, they're just releasing all that stuff and then we're eating it. I swear people are gonna get sick, you know? But the way that we treat animals before we kill them. Yeah. Joya Robertson: Yeah. Crissy and Marie: I still believed all the animals lived on a beautiful farm, you know, with farmer drill. So I was traumatized when I saw the way that they treated animals. But But yeah, no, it's true. We do get circulating and and then your body's trying to fix it and put it places. So you cause stress on all of your cells. We like wash them in that stuff. So one of my favorite sayings is emotions are energy in motion. Emotions are energy in motion, right? So When when a an emotion comes up, you have to let it up and out so that you're not like having that stagnant and stuck energy stuck in your body, right? And I'm not saying go out and, you know, punch somebody in front of you if you if that comes up. No, find a punching bag or find one of those, throw what are those They have so many places now where you can just like break things. the the well you can also throw an axe. Yeah, you could axe throw, right? Like all of these things Joya Robertson: huh. Crissy and Marie: are really great modalities to release things, right? Interesting. Yeah. I have a question for you. So now that you live a very like detoxified life, let's say, for example, you are walking in the mall and you walk by one of those candle shops. How does or you walk into it? How do you feel? Do you notice you feel different? Joya Robertson: Yeah, absolutely. Like headache. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. or if someone has Crissy and Marie: I do too. Yeah. wild. Yeah. Yeah. Different cleaning supplies and stuff. Joya Robertson: if someone uses like strong laundry detergent, things like that. I'm like, my gosh, you know. Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Yeah, no, I had that situation. My I was at somebody's house and they washed my clothes and when I she put them on the bed, I was like and I smelt it for like I mean, a while after that. I'm like, I have to wash this like three more times to get that smell out. There's so many chemicals and things, yeah. Joya Robertson: Yeah, you have like if you're a listener, you have to just go off of all of the fragrance Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: as much as you can and then you'll s you'll you'll smell the difference. For me too. Crissy and Marie: Yeah, yeah. Joya Robertson: Recently I was in a couple Uber rides. Like I went out of town a couple weeks ago. Crissy and Marie: my Ubers are the worst. Joya Robertson: All I had like four Ubers. They're all were just like so smell. Crissy and Marie: Yeah. So many of those scenty things and it's like you just wanna hang your head out the window, you're dying. It makes me very, very sick. Yeah. So I do hear that from a lot of people that I need to do a research article on that. Joya Robertson: Even just going down that aisle of the grocery store, I did a real about that Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: where I'm just like videoing myself like hold my fellows. Can't breathe. Crissy and Marie: That's great. So with my practice, every Friday I do little tidbits out to the patients. And this week I did, all right, let's change those laundry sheets and why? Like the dryer sheets. Those are super toxic to wool balls. You know, like little changes Joya Robertson: Yeah, that's good. Crissy and Marie: can make big changes in your health. But I love doing that. And people are like, What? my gosh, what am I gonna like? Why are these bad? Let's just read, read about it. Yeah. You know, but just educating and teaching people. Joya Robertson: You couldn't clean without Windex. I had no idea. And Crissy and Marie: Mm. Joya Robertson: now I'm having a house gust over tonight and I'm cleaning my house with water. With literally just like Crissy and Marie: Mm ooh. Joya Robertson: spraying. Have you ever Norwax? Like I've got these Norwax clothes. You just need water. Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Those were those class. Joya Robertson: You just use water. You know, and some, you know, some things to sanitize, of course. But I thought you couldn't clean without harsh chemicals. And it's just not true. It's just not true. Crissy and Marie: Right. Mm-hmm. It's not true. Not true. Yeah. Joya Robertson: It's overwhelming to get started, but it's worth the journey. Crissy and Marie: And it's trial and error. You know, I finally just found a a dish soap that I like to clean my dishes with and it was a long time and I get to go back to dawn, but I said I have to stop. Like I have to find something. All right. So tell us about what you're doing now, how you've channeled all this goodness into your your business and your life. Joya Robertson: Yeah, just you know, I started on social media I think a couple years ago and just sharing things. Like I I went a year after after the reoccurrence and the healing. I went a whole year and I just kept feeling like more people need to know about this, you know. People need to know. Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Joya Robertson: You can actually like get by without chemo. And I'm not I'm not saying that for everyone, but it's just nobody knows, you know? Crissy and Marie: Right, exactly. You're just starting the conversation, just putting it out there. Yeah. Joya Robertson: Like right. So I ended up going to get a certification called integrative health practitioner and I was doing one to one health coaching for a while. right now I'm I knew like I almost was like, should I go on this podcast right now? 'Cause I'm in a I'm in an in between stage where I'm Crissy and Marie: It's okay. Joya Robertson: Just figuring out different offerings, and Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: there's a couple of things. So I do the hydrogen water, I have a sales team, it's so amazing. So I'm a business mentor. if someone wants to learn how to get into the wellness industry and promote products, I've done a lot of that social media, online, branding. you can make really great money without a huge following if you just know these digital marketing skills. So I mentor women in that way, and then I am like it's feels So vulnerable to share, but I'm so excited. I have a vision that God has put on my heart to do a local community where we do we get together and we have a woman's walk, a woman's walk and talk. This is really what I want to do, probably starting in the fall in my in my community in North Carolina, where we just get together. We it's from a biblical viewpoint of you know. nutritional eating, moving your body, resting, detoxification, but a little bit of teaching and then and Crissy and Marie: Mm-hmm. Joya Robertson: then community. We go walk around the park. So that I'm excited. I would love the homezomes. That could be a whole topic. Crissy and Marie: I mean, it's like isn't that based on like the blue zone? Very similar to the blue zones, right? Of like health and longevity. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Joya Robertson: Yes. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm so obsessed with all of that stuff. so that that's new 'cause I've been such a social media. Like I just love to hang out on my phone and that's just kind of a new thing that I'm I'm dreaming and scheming and planning. I'm I'm praying that it that it I see it to fruition and that I think will probably just be a free offering. I have Crissy and Marie: That'll be so great though. That social aspect will be so wonderful. And women need that. Mm-hmm. You know, really, really do. Joya Robertson: I think so too. You know, I'm I'm big into like the church scene as you can probably hear in my my vocabulary. And there's just a lack of stewardship over your body in faith based arenas. Really, let's be real, America and Crissy and Marie: Everywhere. Yeah. Everywhere. Yeah. Joya Robertson: I feel like it it's a it's a calling, you know, to help Crissy and Marie: Mm-hmm. Joya Robertson: people help women specifically, whether they want to prevent cancer or they've gone through cancer or they're just they just wanna be healthier and have some community Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: of people that aren't going out for drinks and brunt brunchy boozy drinks, you know. so I'm I'm thinking for that and then I'll probably offer some live web classes starting in the fall. So just, you know, follow along is really like Crissy and Marie: That's a thing. Joya Robertson: All along the journey. Yeah, I'm in a development Crissy and Marie: I love it. Yeah. Yes. Joya Robertson: phase. I've been working on my website, rebranding it. It's been exciting. Thank you. Crissy and Marie: That is so exciting. It's it's okay to be in a transition period. I feel like I'm kind of in the same thing. This Joya Robertson: And real good. Crissy and Marie: whole year. Shifted my year up in in November. You know, I just said I can't take this conventional medicine crap anymore. I'm done. And it's hard to do it because it's like bye bye paycheck, now what? You know. So but you know, I think it's great. I think there's a lot of women that are doing things, you know, in their second or third or fourth phases of life. First of all. Women, when we really think back to our ancestors thousands of years ago, whatever, women gathered. That's what we are. We're the gatherers. We like to be in community. We right, we like to be with one another. And we we need to get back to that, especially and we are slowly. I'm seeing a little like health and wellness little pop-ups so much all over the place. And just seeing people show up in with like their health and wellness in mind is like so great and just, you know, some people need the accountability. Some people just want to be with other women. Some people want to learn. And we did we did a woman event here before I knew Chrissy as well. She came and taught us dry brushing. I did. I did. And like talked about the word gets very jealous because he's like, I don't know why there's all these women things. I want to be with the woman too. Joya Robertson: guys I know my heart is really for women's women coaching Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: you know maybe one day and you know what that's just a that's just an aside but my mindset before was so much like on the have to be get remarried and a man will take care of me to like now I'm like nope you know like God and myself Crissy and Marie: Yeah. That's awesome. Joya Robertson: are taking care of me and there's not like a striving or a desperation for that at all. If it comes then we'll include Crissy and Marie: Yeah. That's true self love right there, my friend. That is true self love and contentment. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Joya Robertson: It's just it's my honest truth. It's my honest truth. It feels really good to just be like, wow, look what look what I have made it through. Look what God has brought me through. Like I'm okay. I have a my beautiful house and my daughter, my pets, my community, my my I'm still a speech pathologist. And then I have my side gig over on my my phone. Crissy and Marie: That's so that's so amazing. Right. That's like you really again just taking what taking a terrible situation. Right. And making it into such beautiful, such a beautiful life and gratitude. Joya Robertson: So grateful, and I hope that every woman who hears these words feels encouragement. And if you are going through a cancer journey, you know, I just send my love to you. We all send our love to you. And there is so much hope for cancer. The media doesn't show it, the movies don't show it, but there really is. There really is Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: so much hope. And just just keep the hope. You know, keep the hope. I always tell people one year Crissy and Marie: Yeah. Joya Robertson: later, one year can change your entire life. Like Every year I'm like, whoa, I I can't believe what's Crissy and Marie: Right. Joya Robertson: happened, but just keep that hope alive in your heart that you will heal and you there's just so much hope. Crissy and Marie: so beautiful. So beautiful. Well, thank you so much for spending time with us and our beautiful community. I know this conversation was so wonderful. And I just yeah. And I I hope we get to meet soon. Someday. Yeah. Someday we might have like a two girls and a cup of wellness. A little like retreat conference. Come come, you know, like some drink tea and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Come hang out with us in the kitchen. Joya Robertson: Yes, that sounds amazing. You should totally do it, please. Give me out your email list. Crissy and Marie: Yes. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. All right, love. Well, thank you so much. And until next time, we will see you guys soon. 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