Latest / The Chris and Mike Show / #169 - Nate Palmer - Fitness/Nutrition Coach

Transcript

#169 - Nate Palmer - Fitness/Nutrition Coach · The Chris and Mike Show

• 0:06
  What's now Mantic? There we go.
• 0:09
  There we go, boys and girls. Welcome to the show.
• 0:11
  YouTube and Twitters. YouTube and Twitters.
• 0:17
  Everybody. Everybody.
• 0:20
  Listen to me. Why?
• 0:23
  Why should I listen to you? You're going to show me what,
• 0:28
  man? Oh, I love that.
• 0:36
  What are you going to be? What are you going to be?
• 0:41
  Oh, yeah. What are you going to find?
• 0:46
  What are you going to do with it?
• 0:54
  Oh, yeah, yeah. Hey, man, welcome to the Chris
• 0:59
  and Mike show. I'm Chris.
• 1:00
  He's Mike. The portion of the show is
• 1:02
  brought to you by Riverside FM, the one and only choice for
• 1:05
  podcast platforms. Remember, we're live on Twitch,
• 1:08
  YouTube and streaming directly on our website at
• 1:10
  chrisandmikeshow.com with Nate Palmer.
• 1:13
  Welcome back, Nate Palmer. Thanks.
• 1:15
  It's good to be here. You.
• 1:16
  Heard that song before a couple times.
• 1:18
  A couple. Times I've heard that song
• 1:19
  before, you know, it's like an. Lyric or two to that.
• 1:24
  This way there's there's a funny bit man, I saw a long time ago
• 1:27
  on Saturday Night Live where where, where one of the one of
• 1:29
  the actors on the show was doing that with the song.
• 1:33
  I'm like, that's fucking brilliant.
• 1:35
  So it was. Really good, I liked it.
• 1:37
  Yeah, you know, my my favorite song moment in SNL is when
• 1:40
  Kristen Wiig and Fred Armisen like Fred would sing a song that
• 1:43
  he's making up and Kristen would be like, yeah, I know that song
• 1:46
  and try to sing along with it on Weekend Update.
• 1:48
  That is like that's my favorite type of I never I'm going to
• 1:51
  have. To YouTube that, that sounds
• 1:53
  cool. Was was she in the Penelope
• 1:55
  character? 'Cause they're like, they're
• 1:57
  like a band or like they're like they're married, but they're.
• 2:00
  A couple. Oh, yeah.
• 2:01
  Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 2:02
  Her Penelope character is pretty cool too, because it was where
• 2:05
  she was twirling her hair. And you'd be like, you'd be
• 2:07
  like, I can bench £450 six times.
• 2:10
  Yeah, well, I can bench, like, 500 lbs twelve times.
• 2:13
  So there's that. Like everything that you would
• 2:17
  say, she went up. And we went.
• 2:19
  Up her. We actually had a neighbor at at
• 2:22
  the time that as soon as that episode of Cessna dropped and
• 2:26
  then we were at their house hanging out and they can like,
• 2:28
  holy shit, it's Penelope. Obviously we never told that
• 2:32
  neighbor and we've I will not tell that neighbor that don't
• 2:34
  no, not no name dropping. But yeah, it was a trip.
• 2:37
  Dude. It was like every time from that
• 2:39
  point on the rest of our lives, whenever we hung with them and
• 2:41
  then they were do that. We just like, yeah, yeah.
• 2:45
  That's. Penelope there's I mean, there's
• 2:47
  people like that though that you just like you're trying to have
• 2:49
  a conversation with them and they're like, well, actually
• 2:51
  when when I was in the Amazon jungle and you're like, OK.
• 2:54
  Yeah, take a breath. Actually, that's most people.
• 2:56
  If you notice, they're just waiting to tell you what they've
• 2:59
  done, even if they have done it right.
• 3:02
  I call those people ZQ people. 0 questions.
• 3:05
  Here's a great here's a great example.
• 3:07
  Nate. I just, Rogan was telling a
• 3:09
  story about this game show that he did.
• 3:11
  It was called Game Show in my head.
• 3:13
  So one of their skits that they were going to do was there was a
• 3:17
  reporter on the street who was supposed to interview these
• 3:20
  people who had been abducted by aliens, right?
• 3:23
  They'd seen a UFO, They'd gone up in the ship, but that person
• 3:27
  is gone. So you need to fill in for the
• 3:29
  person who was abducted. He said it was 100%, everyone
• 3:33
  did it. They're all lying, right?
• 3:35
  But they knew they were going to be on TV, so they signed the
• 3:38
  form and said, yeah, sure, I was abducted by aliens.
• 3:41
  Wow. Well.
• 3:42
  That's 10 people want to be noticed.
• 3:44
  Well, that's kind of like with with the reality show stuff like
• 3:48
  the producers will tell you, and I've, we've talked about this
• 3:50
  when I was on that one, you know, millionaire mastermind,
• 3:54
  whatever it's called real estate show that I walked out of
• 3:56
  because of the bullshit they do. But they would tell you, like in
• 3:59
  Nate, if you're on a fitness show and, and you were just
• 4:01
  getting along with me, Mike, the producer would come up.
• 4:03
  Nate, I need you to talk about Chris's sobriety because we know
• 4:09
  that's going to be a trigger for him.
• 4:11
  And we want you to poke and potted him about how he's not
• 4:14
  really sober because at some point in time in his 20 years,
• 4:16
  he has slipped and he's just lying about it.
• 4:18
  And that wants you to every reality show you're watching.
• 4:22
  And literally, it would be like Nate.
• 4:24
  Nobody wants to see you and Chris get along, so we're going
• 4:27
  to need you guys to have some kind of, you know, hostile.
• 4:31
  Interaction. Yeah, man, should we do that?
• 4:33
  We can do it, yeah. We can do that.
• 4:34
  We can do that. We can do that.
• 4:35
  I'm a little bit hostile sometimes.
• 4:36
  We could, I could, I could be really hostile for it to you.
• 4:39
  Know I could be the producer because I try not to be.
• 4:41
  Hostile. I'll win the producer shopping
• 4:42
  cart out in front of you, Chris. I'll be, I'll say that right
• 4:44
  now. Dude, I've seen people do that
• 4:46
  when people park in those red zones in front of stores.
• 4:49
  I've seen people walk up and put the shopping carts in front of
• 4:51
  their car. So, and, and, and then when they
• 4:53
  leave, they don't realize the cart's there.
• 4:56
  I don't want to, I, I'm not there to see it happen, the
• 4:58
  aftermath of it. But I've, I've literally watched
• 5:00
  people walk up and put their cart in front of a vehicle
• 5:02
  that's in that unload that red zone, fire lane and walk away.
• 5:06
  And I'm like, OK. And I look kind of like, oh,
• 5:08
  that's brilliant. Like I wonder what's going to
• 5:10
  happen. That was my first thought when
• 5:12
  you said. When they pull out, because when
• 5:14
  they pull out, if they don't see the cart, boom, they hit the
• 5:16
  cart and then it's like, what are you going to do?
• 5:18
  What are you going to complain about?
• 5:19
  You're not supposed to park to begin.
• 5:21
  With I feel like this all goes back to kind of like the self,
• 5:25
  like knowledge of self and just like authenticity.
• 5:27
  I think people who are, who know who they are, that is that's
• 5:31
  like #1 my like my #1 qualification.
• 5:34
  If if I want to like be around someone, they have to be self
• 5:36
  aware. Do you guys find that that is
• 5:40
  that like, you know, you've interviewed tons and tons of
• 5:42
  people on the show. How often or what percentage of
• 5:44
  people would you say, come on and are self aware?
• 5:47
  They know who they are. They know how they shut the
• 5:49
  present and show up. Can I answer that question?
• 5:51
  Yes, absolutely. I'm glad you asked that.
• 5:56
  That's a good question, nice job mate.
• 5:57
  High 5. I'm going to give Chris kudos in
• 5:59
  that it would be way higher if he wasn't better at reading
• 6:04
  people's bullshit, right? So he'll text me every now and
• 6:07
  then and he'll say, and I'm not going to throw anybody under the
• 6:09
  bus, but for an example, he'll say this person wants to come on
• 6:12
  and talk about XY and Z. Here's how I feel about it.
• 6:16
  And I would say over the course of what, 2 1/2 years we've been
• 6:19
  doing this, we've only disagreed maybe one time.
• 6:23
  And I went along with him because I felt like discretion
• 6:25
  was the better part of valor, right?
• 6:27
  If he's got a bad feeling about somebody that's going to be on
• 6:29
  the show. So to answer your, that's a long
• 6:32
  winded way of saying most people we have on here are hyper self
• 6:35
  aware, right? Because they've lived either a
• 6:40
  hard life, an interesting life, whatever.
• 6:42
  You know, he likes to call him life's resumes, which I love.
• 6:46
  So on this show, I would say most people are hyper self
• 6:49
  aware. And I've learned a lot from
• 6:51
  that, right? But in general, on a daily
• 6:54
  basis, the people I meet, almost none of them are self aware.
• 6:59
  So literally, I have levels of friends, right?
• 7:01
  You guys are people that I would look to, to teach me, to make me
• 7:04
  a better person, right? When Nate's talking, when Chris
• 7:07
  is talking, I'm listening because I'm going to learn
• 7:09
  something along the way. Of the two.
• 7:12
  Of you guys. Are waiting to answer, you know.
• 7:16
  Who's who's more like? Who's more naive?
• 7:19
  I guess the naive is not maybe the like the nicest word.
• 7:21
  I would say I'm pretty naive. That's not the right.
• 7:24
  Word. But who know, like, like who's
• 7:26
  more like willing to give people the benefit of the doubt and
• 7:29
  who's more willing to cut through like and just be like,
• 7:31
  no, that's, that's bullshit. I'm getting a bad feeling about
• 7:33
  that. That's why we make a good.
• 7:34
  That's why we always made a good team in the band as songwriters
• 7:38
  on the podcast. My wife is like that.
• 7:40
  She's a lot more like she's like, I don't like that person
• 7:42
  And I'm like, he seems fine, he's nice and then she's like
• 7:45
  all the time. Screwed.
• 7:46
  Most of the time we're going to get taken and I.
• 7:48
  Can't have a week. Yeah, I get.
• 7:50
  I get. I've gotten scammed before,
• 7:51
  sure. Me too.
• 7:52
  Yeah. I think it's a woman thing
• 7:53
  because Nikki's like that. Nikki.
• 7:55
  Nikki will judge. Not not judge is the wrong word.
• 7:58
  I don't want to say that she will pick up on the person's
• 8:01
  true reasoning for trying to get into our circle within the first
• 8:06
  half hour meeting them. She's only been fooled once and
• 8:09
  the people that fooled her fooled me.
• 8:11
  And it was a real estate thing. I'm not going to go into because
• 8:13
  I'm not going to throw them out of the bus.
• 8:16
  But it was mind boggling how how she didn't catch it because it's
• 8:20
  always, it's always like if you'd like, if I just met you,
• 8:22
  Nate and you and your wife are going to come over and we're
• 8:24
  going to hang out within the 1st 30 minutes, Nikki would, would,
• 8:28
  would know the type of human you are and the type of human your
• 8:31
  wife are. And as soon as you left the
• 8:32
  house after date night, whatever, she'd be like, I like
• 8:36
  Nate or Nate. What the fuck is up with Nate?
• 8:38
  She wouldn't say like that, but she's like, you know, there's
• 8:39
  something wrong. But that's just, I think it's a
• 8:41
  woman thing because women have to have that extra sense because
• 8:45
  men are assholes. And so they have to have that
• 8:48
  internal alarm and those hairs in the back of their head paying
• 8:50
  attention to them because as as women will tell you guys lie
• 8:55
  about everything. Sure.
• 8:57
  Especially when you're dating, right.
• 8:59
  Oh, oh, yeah. I mean, I mean, they, they lie
• 9:02
  about everything. So that's the other part of why
• 9:05
  I think the women have that extra little receptor.
• 9:07
  If you like it's discernment. You know what?
• 9:09
  I. Mean, there you go.
• 9:09
  Discernment. Yeah, absolutely.
• 9:11
  Yeah, absolutely. But I heard that that women who
• 9:14
  have the best husbands hate men the most.
• 9:20
  I could see that. Yeah, I could see that.
• 9:23
  I can see that. Because they're like, I know, I
• 9:24
  know what it looks like to live with a like a high integrity
• 9:27
  man. And therefore, like all this
• 9:28
  other bullshit, does not fly with me.
• 9:30
  Well, and that's part of the reason why Nikki and I gravitate
• 9:32
  each other, because, because at the time I had shaved my head
• 9:34
  and then I was realizing back then that that women were
• 9:37
  shallow as a motherfucker because like, nobody had shaved
• 9:40
  their head yet. Like, I did it before.
• 9:42
  Michael Stipe did it once. Michael Stipe did it already.
• 9:44
  And then all of a sudden, oh, Michael Stipe shaved his head
• 9:46
  and became relevant. Kind of.
• 9:48
  Even then, it still wasn't. True, but you had you had.
• 9:51
  You had a public figure. I'll agree.
• 9:54
  With you there. But yeah, I've, I've always said
• 9:55
  when you did that, man, that was people have no idea.
• 9:59
  I hate to equate it to The Beatles, but you know, right,
• 10:02
  Right, right. It was that shocking when I saw
• 10:05
  him for the first time because he had long hair when I met him,
• 10:07
  right. And then all of a sudden he
• 10:09
  shows up for band practice one day and he looks like that in a
• 10:12
  time when that was not socially acceptable, is the best way to
• 10:15
  put it. We've got a good shape for your
• 10:17
  head. It's nice.
• 10:18
  It's nice. Thank you.
• 10:19
  Really good shape. Mine's a little lumpier than
• 10:21
  that. I don't get away with the shape
• 10:22
  very often. I'm lucky in that respect too,
• 10:24
  Nate. Mine's like his.
• 10:25
  It's round on top. That's nice.
• 10:27
  My dad, he always says I'd, I'd be screwed because he's kind of
• 10:30
  got the you know where Frankenstein on top.
• 10:33
  Why not flat spots on the side? Yeah, OK.
• 10:36
  Yeah, yeah. So it's not good.
• 10:39
  It's not good. We got a picture.
• 10:40
  Oh, we're just looking at the whole thing.
• 10:42
  He's. Giving us the 360.
• 10:43
  The 3D, the 3D mapping I saw like AI saw like a 3D render of
• 10:48
  like what they thought Pharaoh might have looked like back like
• 10:51
  from like Egypt. OK, a lot like Chris, to be
• 10:53
  honest. He does look very yeah, he could
• 10:59
  pass for an Egyptian. Very Egyptian.
• 11:01
  I need, I need to be a little Tanner to be Egyptian.
• 11:04
  But yeah, well, you know. It's winter time.
• 11:06
  It is winter time, so you asked you.
• 11:10
  You asked before we jumped on a show if I was excited about John
• 11:12
  Harbaugh, you know, being a Giants fan.
• 11:17
  And I'm excited for you, and I'm not a Giants fan at all.
• 11:19
  Right. I yeah, yeah.
• 11:21
  Neither is Mike. Mike's a Bears fan.
• 11:22
  Doug Bears. Who's your team?
• 11:23
  Nate. We never talked about that.
• 11:24
  Seahawks. Oh, OK.
• 11:25
  So the Seahawks are favored to win the Super Bowl, which I
• 11:28
  don't understand why because Sam Darnold is nursing an injury and
• 11:31
  he's he's possibly playing. I did not know that they.
• 11:35
  Well, because yesterday, because everything on social media, I
• 11:38
  mean, everything was. Harbaugh.
• 11:40
  Harbaugh. Harbaugh.
• 11:40
  So I ended up watching ESPN, something inside ESPN inside
• 11:44
  football or something, waiting for Nick to come home.
• 11:47
  And they were talking about all the things.
• 11:49
  And when they brought up the Seahawks, it's I, I wanna
• 11:52
  oblique. He's he's nursing an oblique
• 11:53
  injury, which is really, really, dude, really.
• 11:56
  Come on man, Oblique's tough. Though because it's you can't
• 11:58
  heal well. You Oh, I know, and you're
• 11:59
  throwing it and shit I get. It throws.
• 12:01
  Yeah, that's going to throw off your.
• 12:02
  Throat motion for sure, but quarter zone, you know, 'cause.
• 12:06
  Yeah, yeah, shut up and get two more games, you know?
• 12:09
  Cut it, Mick. Cut it, Mick.
• 12:11
  Right. So but you know, Jack Young
• 12:14
  played the Super Bowl with a broken fibula, so I don't really
• 12:16
  care if Sam Bradford has has an oblique issue, dude, just.
• 12:21
  The tough part about that game is you got to play somebody in
• 12:23
  your own division. Those division games are tough.
• 12:26
  Dude, yeah, the NFC West has been crazy.
• 12:30
  This we're like we're like 40 and seven across the NFL.
• 12:34
  Right. And there's and there's.
• 12:35
  And three of the playoff teams were from the NFC West this
• 12:37
  year, right? Well, last time Chris and I
• 12:39
  talked about the NFLI said don't sleep on the Seahawks, man.
• 12:42
  That team on both sides of the ball is brutal.
• 12:45
  We don't see a lot of them in this part of the country
• 12:49
  because, you know, obviously they're showing the stupid
• 12:51
  Browns and the Cowboys Bears. But yeah, we end up with the
• 12:54
  Cowboys of the game of the week The few times that I've had the
• 12:58
  pleasure this year of seeing the Seahawks.
• 13:01
  What an amazing coach, offense, defence, just it's a well oiled
• 13:07
  machine. I'm sorry about it for you about
• 13:09
  this. Rookie safety Nick Eman worry.
• 13:12
  Yeah. He's a, he's a beast.
• 13:14
  He's on every play. What's surprising about the
• 13:17
  Seahawks is the turn around because how long was how long
• 13:19
  has Carol been gone? 2 years, maybe three that is.
• 13:24
  And all of a sudden they're back in the playoffs and Carroll got
• 13:27
  a one year deal and not one year deal.
• 13:29
  Got paid for a year and kicked to the curb and still making
• 13:31
  money. I'd say the Seahawks found the
• 13:35
  problem. Right, and there's still 8
• 13:37
  openings in the NFL head coaching ranks, man 8.
• 13:40
  Russell Wilson, DK Metcalf and Pete Carroll.
• 13:43
  I don't think the problem. Russell Wilson.
• 13:47
  Russell Wilson was not Russell Wilson was done.
• 13:49
  He should never went to Pittsburgh.
• 13:50
  He should have retired when after Denver, he should have
• 13:52
  just called. I heard someone say he played
• 13:54
  himself out of a Hall of Fame. He did he absolutely first,
• 13:57
  first, at least the first two ballots.
• 14:00
  Now he's and now they're claiming some bullshit.
• 14:02
  Oh, I hurt my hamstring the second week and the Giants.
• 14:05
  Fuck you, dude. That's just an excuse.
• 14:08
  It's like you see you, you see Aaron Rodgers playing right when
• 14:11
  they get in their asses kicked, all of a sudden he's like, oh,
• 14:13
  my hand, Oh my hand. Oh, I can't feel my hand.
• 14:16
  Well, I can't feel my hand on my leg, on my knee, my knee.
• 14:19
  And then as a press cover. What's wrong with your hand,
• 14:21
  your knee? Oh, they just, I'm not going to
• 14:22
  comment on that. I'm not going to comment on
• 14:24
  that. I'm a professional athlete.
• 14:25
  Shut up, dude. You're making excuses, man.
• 14:27
  Just please. But you know.
• 14:29
  Here's a good statistic that I just saw for those gamblers that
• 14:32
  are out there. Matthew Stafford is one in nine
• 14:35
  when it's under 20°. He's only one game, yeah.
• 14:39
  Wow. And who are they playing the?
• 14:41
  Bears. Dub Bears and it might be the
• 14:43
  coldest game ever at Soldier Field with the windshield.
• 14:46
  Oh damn, OK, I watched this thing on the YouTube last night
• 14:50
  because I was looking for something and I couldn't find
• 14:52
  it. So it was the top 10 weather
• 14:54
  games and the bears were on one of them.
• 14:58
  I want to say -29 with the windshield.
• 15:01
  Yeah, wasn't that one of the first Super Bowls?
• 15:04
  Google that. Google that, Google that, Google
• 15:06
  that. The Packers played one of those
• 15:09
  games, too. It might be the Packers that
• 15:10
  the. Packers was the very first one,
• 15:12
  the ice ball, but this one was different.
• 15:14
  OK. Let me go to my YouTube because
• 15:16
  it should be on there because I watched it.
• 15:18
  And then find out what the coldest game at Soldier Field
• 15:22
  has been recorded, because unless the weather changes,
• 15:25
  that's one of the things that I heard earlier in the week was
• 15:28
  potentially with the wind chill, it could be the coldest game at
• 15:31
  Soldier Field, which is going to benefit the Bears mightily.
• 15:35
  The Bears Ben Johnson took. Away the heaters all week for
• 15:38
  practice. This game at Soldier Field was
• 15:41
  December 22nd, 2008. Bears versus Packers
• 15:43
  temperatures at -2 Fahrenheit with a 13 negative 13° wind
• 15:47
  chill. Wow.
• 15:49
  I'm Nate Palmer. I'm faster than Chris Dunham,
• 15:51
  but check this out. This is pretty cool.
• 15:52
  Look what popped up. Look what popped up on on on the
• 15:56
  YouTube right there. We're live right now.
• 16:00
  We're live on. That's Nate Palmer.
• 16:01
  Like like, isn't that a trip like?
• 16:03
  I know that dude. I pulled it up and we're live
• 16:05
  and then. There's What are what faces are
• 16:07
  we making? I don't I don't know.
• 16:09
  It's interesting ones, though. It's it's interesting ones,
• 16:11
  though. I can't I can't make that go.
• 16:13
  But that was I thought that was crazy.
• 16:15
  Just dialing in and and OK, so I got to like, where do we where
• 16:19
  do you find what? Oh, history, history history
• 16:22
  will tell me history's there it is top 10 crazies top ten.
• 16:25
  OK, there was top ten worst weather games so I don't want to
• 16:31
  see the volume I want to get to. The you looked up specifically
• 16:33
  solder field right now I did, yeah.
• 16:35
  OK, yeah, because Chris was busy.
• 16:37
  I'm busy, man. To step in.
• 16:39
  I'm busy. We appreciate it, man.
• 16:41
  I'm trying. I'm trying, Nate.
• 16:42
  You know, I'm a little sly. Switch the same.
• 16:44
  No, that's why. I'm I'm so glad you're.
• 16:46
  Helping. I'm a surgical with Google.
• 16:51
  So we're just let this we're going to let this play in the
• 16:53
  background because I think it'll be fun to have it on the side.
• 16:56
  So these are weather games. So that was the that was super
• 16:59
  cold that. Game.
• 16:59
  I was going to say I don't see any weather.
• 17:02
  No, there was a super cold one. Super cold.
• 17:06
  Super cold. In Dallas.
• 17:08
  Yeah, yeah, it's shit. Is that or is it?
• 17:11
  No. Or maybe it's humid.
• 17:12
  Super humid. Like 109°.
• 17:13
  That's what it was, 109° at kickoff.
• 17:15
  Everyone's cramped. The hot.
• 17:16
  The hot. The hottest game in NFL history.
• 17:18
  OK, the humidity must have just been stifling.
• 17:23
  That's just. As bad as being -13.
• 17:26
  Amen. I don't like either one.
• 17:28
  I don't like either one either. I don't like either one either.
• 17:30
  So that's, that's number nine game #9 Andy Reid when he was
• 17:37
  skinny and young, the Bears, the Bears.
• 17:40
  So let's see what they say about this one.
• 17:41
  Oh, the wind, 27 mile an hour winds throughout the game. 95
• 17:44
  combined passing yards with six. Turnovers. 27 mile an hour wins
• 17:52
  man throughout the game and look at this, look how it moves.
• 17:55
  Look at that. And he he missed it.
• 17:58
  He missed it like nobody even broke. 50 yards passing on
• 18:01
  either side. Of the No, no, it was crazy and
• 18:06
  I I don't remember if this is a run back or not, but I it may be
• 18:08
  the run back that sealed the game.
• 18:10
  Yeah, he runs it back all the way back from the from the
• 18:13
  field. Gomes.
• 18:15
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the largest, the
• 18:18
  longest field goal return in the NFL history at the time.
• 18:21
  At the time. Yep.
• 18:22
  Fasher. Yep.
• 18:25
  And he just falls in the ends and like, damn, I'm tired.
• 18:30
  So you got another Cowboys game. Oh, the snow game, 16 to 14.
• 18:34
  Oh, it's honorable mentioned. Shit.
• 18:36
  They were doing honor mention stuff, which was irritating.
• 18:38
  There's a pretty fun snow game, 1948 NFL championship game,
• 18:43
  Chicago Cardinals, Philadelphia Eagles.
• 18:46
  Look at that shit, man Wow. That's how football should be
• 18:49
  played, that right there. And again, it's an it's an
• 18:53
  honorable mention. It's not it's not actual the
• 18:55
  thing. So here's #7 this one's pretty
• 18:58
  cool. If I remember correctly, one of
• 19:00
  the one of the kickoffs or Ponce, it's just the ball.
• 19:02
  Just go right into the ground. But look at all this snowman
• 19:06
  like it's while you're playing the game like.
• 19:10
  But let me tell you, they're in Detroit, right?
• 19:13
  Billy. That's OK.
• 19:15
  That's Billy. Well, they have the same thing.
• 19:17
  They're close to water. When you're close to water like
• 19:19
  that, it is fascinating how fast snow can accumulate, right?
• 19:23
  So look at that. The wide receiver had 243 return
• 19:26
  yards and two touchdowns. Lashawn McCoy had 29 rush yards,
• 19:29
  29 rushing, 217 yards and two touchdowns.
• 19:32
  Totally a ground game. That was the seventh worst one.
• 19:37
  I think we're going to see a lot of ground games.
• 19:39
  There's there's. The mud, there's the mud.
• 19:41
  The Vikings and the Rams, that was in LA.
• 19:44
  The Vikings went to LA and and just, yeah, Rams to the ball
• 19:50
  over three times. That was that was a muddy,
• 19:54
  sloppy game. Muddy, sloppy game.
• 19:57
  Number 5 was a snow bowl. Or was it the fog?
• 19:59
  Remember the fog game? Chicago fog game.
• 20:01
  No, this is yeah, this is the Chicago game.
• 20:03
  The lake effect. Yeah, yeah.
• 20:05
  No, I'm sorry, Not the Bears. Frick is oh, see the ball.
• 20:09
  Just Duke. Watch, watch, watch, watch.
• 20:12
  Duke. What is the bill?
• 20:15
  6 was in the bill. It was in Buffalo.
• 20:17
  It was in Buffalo. Yeah, Buffalo and and the Colts.
• 20:22
  Gross. Watch this guy gets tackled by
• 20:24
  the snow. Like legit he gets tackled by
• 20:30
  the snow. OK, snow tackle.
• 20:35
  Oh man, you're that cold though and you get hit.
• 20:37
  I mean that hurts so bad. That's what I was thinking too
• 20:40
  man. This is the water game where
• 20:42
  they had the field was an island.
• 20:45
  It's coming next. The the field was an island.
• 20:47
  Remember this in in Carolina, the tsunami bowl.
• 20:51
  Yeah, the field they had 6 inches of water around the
• 20:53
  field. They said while I was watching
• 20:54
  this but legit just. Sloppy.
• 20:57
  You can't see the lakes on them. Yeah, field there.
• 21:01
  That's the that's the anti ACL bowl. 4 inches of rainfall
• 21:06
  beginning in the second quarter, 4 inches, so first quarter dry,
• 21:10
  second quarter, 4 inches started coming down.
• 21:15
  And that's the way it works. Yeah.
• 21:17
  Get close to what? Jacksonville, That's they get
• 21:20
  that. That was North Carolina, yeah.
• 21:22
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 21:24
  Anytime we're that close to the ocean, it's.
• 21:26
  Crazy icicles can OK so cold cold cold when he had icicles on
• 21:29
  the eyebrows. Oh this was a disgusting game.
• 21:31
  I watch this in Panama. Yeah, Patriots defeat the
• 21:34
  Dolphins, the lowest scoring Monday Night Football game in
• 21:36
  history. 3. To three nothing. 3 to nothing.
• 21:40
  That's Seahawks game that we won, and here's.
• 21:42
  This and then yeah, here's this one so.
• 21:44
  Which it was Blair Walsh's botching 5 field goals.
• 21:48
  Yeah, there was. There was that stat.
• 21:50
  I want to get that. Stat.
• 21:51
  And then we signed Blair Walsh two years later.
• 21:53
  I was like, are you guys forgot? He missed five in one game.
• 21:56
  Maybe it was maybe 4, but it was like still disgusting.
• 22:00
  Yeah, that's. Crazy there's a, there's a thing
• 22:02
  going on one of the Giants pages to everybody send Tyler Lupa a
• 22:05
  thank you card for missing the field goal for Harbaugh getting
• 22:08
  fired. So this was minus this is what I
• 22:13
  was talking about, Mike. So you're, you're you this, it
• 22:15
  wasn't the Bears, but -6° of kickoff -25 win shows the third
• 22:19
  coldest game in NFL history. And this was the Seahawks and
• 22:22
  the, and the Packers. I mean the Packers, the Vikings.
• 22:26
  Icicles on his eyebrows. You.
• 22:28
  Got icicles on your eyebrows and.
• 22:32
  What? So was that?
• 22:33
  So no, Minnesota had an outdoor stadium.
• 22:38
  How the hell did he miss that? I I.
• 22:39
  Don't remember that, I guess they did huh?
• 22:42
  Before they went to Dome. So then the mud really knew.
• 22:45
  OK, OK. And then the 2007, the muddy
• 22:48
  Monday night, muddy Night Football.
• 22:49
  This is the lowest scoring Monday Night Football Game 3.
• 22:51
  Nothing was the end score and it was just it was just mud.
• 22:55
  Look at that boom. See it just just stuck.
• 23:00
  Just just stuck and they're all walking around it.
• 23:04
  Replace your debit. Yeah, lowest scoring game in
• 23:08
  Monday Night Football history 3 Nothing Steelers.
• 23:12
  That's the highlight. And that's just an honorable
• 23:15
  mention, mind you, but yeah #4 the Fog Bowl, the Bears and
• 23:21
  Eagles. Oh yeah, this is Randall
• 23:23
  Cunningham era, Jim McMahon era. Yep, I remember that game.
• 23:28
  What's funny is they had the commentators talking and they're
• 23:30
  like, it's like we're in the clouds trying to figure out what
• 23:32
  the Hell's going on. And we couldn't, we couldn't see
• 23:34
  anything. And yeah, second quarter,
• 23:38
  through the rest of the game, it was just dense fog.
• 23:41
  I remember too. It's like, how do you play in
• 23:42
  that? Which is crazy now because
• 23:44
  they'll call any game now with just a little bit of rain, right
• 23:48
  when it starts flooding. Oh, we got to call the game.
• 23:50
  We got to pause it for two hours.
• 23:52
  It's not safe. How was that safe?
• 23:55
  It's not. No, it's football.
• 23:58
  It's football, right? I can't believe we haven't seen
• 24:03
  the fans throwing snow. And Buffalo remember that when
• 24:06
  they were throwing snowballs and they had to threaten the if they
• 24:09
  throw any more snowballs, they're going to start
• 24:11
  penalizing the Bills. Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep.
• 24:16
  What was this one? Number three?
• 24:20
  January 10th, 82. Where is that?
• 24:24
  What stadium is that? Oh yeah.
• 24:26
  Bengals. Chargers.
• 24:27
  Bengals. The Freezer Bowl.
• 24:29
  I love that you guys can just like, do your podcast about
• 24:31
  whatever too. That's so fun.
• 24:32
  I feel like sometimes I go to my podcast, I'm like fitness again
• 24:38
  already. I got 600 episodes about
• 24:40
  fitness. What?
• 24:41
  Yeah, yeah, I think we'll tell. You that I told him probably
• 24:45
  till the point where he didn't want to do the show with me
• 24:47
  anymore. I'm like, as long as you
• 24:48
  understand that we can talk about anything at any time.
• 24:51
  This is just like we're having a conversation.
• 24:53
  It is cool. Yeah.
• 24:55
  Yeah, which I know he got sick of me saying that.
• 24:57
  No, but I think that's why people like it, because it's
• 24:59
  conversational. The Tuck Rule game, everybody
• 25:02
  members of Tuck Rule that that that changed the outcome of
• 25:05
  Gruden's legacy as a as a Super Bowl winning coach in in the
• 25:09
  Raiders world. 4 inches of snowfall in the game during the
• 25:14
  game and again now. Yeah.
• 25:17
  And nowadays they would say, oh, we got to stop player safety.
• 25:21
  We don't want to get a contusion on her inner thigh.
• 25:24
  Like shut up, you're a football player, man #2 again with the
• 25:30
  again with the Raiders. Yeah.
• 25:36
  Oh, that was that was the same. Why?
• 25:37
  That was weird. I thought the other one was
• 25:39
  number 30. We're not at #2 yet.
• 25:41
  OK, not bad. Jump ahead #2 there you go. 4°
• 25:45
  to kick off -27 wind chill. 4th coldest game in history.
• 25:48
  It was the the Chiefs and the Rams and not the Rams, the
• 25:52
  Dolphins. I'm going to experience this
• 25:55
  close to that this weekend. Yeah, it was just cold.
• 25:57
  Are you going to? Here's the What's that?
• 26:00
  You going to the game? No, no, no, no.
• 26:02
  It's just going to be that cold in Illinois.
• 26:04
  So I get to experience it right along with the Bears.
• 26:07
  Oh that'll be nice. You should go outside.
• 26:08
  Bears with a helmet on run into some stuff.
• 26:13
  You know how you tell people everything above 110 is pretty
• 26:16
  much the same, it's just hot? OK, so this is the game you want
• 26:21
  to. This is the game the Bears want
• 26:23
  to beat. 13 -, 13° to kick off -20 three wind chill.
• 26:26
  That's the coldest game NFL history.
• 26:28
  Only wind chill maybe? Yeah, that's the cold.
• 26:31
  Well, that's the thing though. If it's if the wind chill's
• 26:33
  below 23°, it could be the coldest game.
• 26:35
  And, and it could, and, and they, they were talking about
• 26:38
  how the, the, they put their hands in the pockets like that
• 26:41
  to know it was going to be a pass.
• 26:42
  Oh wait, what was the actual temperature of that game?
• 26:44
  I'm. Sorry -13 at start with the -20
• 26:47
  three wind. Chill.
• 26:48
  So it'll be a wind chill thing. Yeah, so that was the 12 coldest
• 26:52
  games, the 12 most weather games in NFL.
• 26:55
  That was cool history. Brought to you by the Chris and
• 26:57
  Mike Show. Nate Palmer, special guest,
• 26:59
  athletic. Training something new everyday.
• 27:01
  You know, this is all about fitness and and how fit were
• 27:03
  those athletes playing that game?
• 27:05
  Crazy. Pretty pretty fit night.
• 27:07
  I think the, I think NFL athletes are, are like top tier
• 27:10
  in terms of just fitness. Like you take a tight end or a
• 27:13
  linebacker and they can pretty much play any sport.
• 27:15
  I think basketball athletes are maybe some of the most like
• 27:17
  athletic in terms of like plyometrics and bounciness.
• 27:21
  I think gymnasts are the strongest and I think wrestlers
• 27:24
  are the most well conditioned. How about soccer?
• 27:28
  Soccer's have good endurance, but I wouldn't say that they're
• 27:30
  like upper level like of elite athletes.
• 27:34
  Would you say, would you say gymnasts have the best core
• 27:37
  strength? Probably they just like just
• 27:39
  overall, like in terms of just strength, the way your shield,
• 27:43
  yeah, those guys are, those guys are unbeatable.
• 27:45
  I would agree with that because one of my best friends in
• 27:48
  college was a gymnast and that dude was strong.
• 27:52
  Like you could even couldn't even imagine.
• 27:54
  He was like, no, he was my size and my frame, but he looked like
• 27:58
  Nate, you know, just he was defined everywhere.
• 28:03
  I, I see gymnasts all the time who's like, you know, they come
• 28:05
  into the gym. These are like junior high high
• 28:08
  school gymnasts. They come into the gym for the
• 28:10
  first time and then they they do 20 pull ups with 90 lbs on them
• 28:14
  or they deadlift 405 lbs having never deadlift before.
• 28:17
  This dude did the rings, Nate. Yeah, like they're, they're
• 28:20
  ridiculous, Chris. They're, they're just so strong
• 28:23
  because they move their body through space and there's like,
• 28:26
  so there's a difference between like doing a leg press.
• 28:28
  It's called an open chain exercise where you're moving an
• 28:31
  external load. A shoulder press is a, is an
• 28:32
  open chain exercise, a closed chain exercise like a push up or
• 28:35
  a squat where you're moving your body through space.
• 28:37
  So all gymnasts do is move their body through space.
• 28:39
  And these closed chain exercises and closed chain exercises do
• 28:42
  two things which are really cool because they signal to your body
• 28:44
  that there's some external threat.
• 28:46
  We need to get out of this into this tree to escape the Saber
• 28:49
  toothed tiger. So they are very good at
• 28:51
  retraining your body to build more muscle and to drop more fat
• 28:56
  because it's just a safety thing for us.
• 28:58
  So it's a kind of triggers that evolutionary mechanism that we
• 29:00
  have to keep ourselves safe. So that's why I think that most
• 29:03
  people should training should do more closed chain than open
• 29:05
  chain. Even though open chain like
• 29:07
  machines and stuff are really fun, keeping something in there
• 29:10
  where you're moving your body through space and like learning
• 29:12
  that proprioception really helpful for body composition
• 29:14
  stuff and just being strong and and able.
• 29:19
  Like this guy? Yeah, that guy is probably
• 29:22
  pretty strong. He's got, he's got multiple ABS,
• 29:26
  like 13 of them. That's an inmate that.
• 29:29
  Yeah, yeah, fuck. Yeah, I bet he could do 30
• 29:34
  muscle UPS. Look at that one arm.
• 29:36
  One arm. I mean, have you tried hanging?
• 29:39
  From one arm. I never have.
• 29:41
  I'll do it next time I go to the.
• 29:42
  US as a. Kid go slow with it, go slow
• 29:45
  with it. Start with two and then and then
• 29:46
  let let the other one drop. But it is go with, OK, it's a
• 29:49
  lot harder than that guy made it look.
• 29:51
  OK. Yeah, he made it look easy.
• 29:53
  Yeah, he makes, he makes pretty much everything look easy.
• 29:56
  So here's here's the rings. The rings I think are impressive
• 29:58
  just for the sheer. That's what my body had.
• 30:01
  The shoulder strength has to be insane for the rings man.
• 30:04
  The but like, what's crazy about this is that his biceps are
• 30:06
  working to like maintain the iron Cross or that the planche
• 30:10
  your biceps have to be so strong because if you if you're like,
• 30:14
  even if you tried that weight, Chris, without using your body,
• 30:17
  your biceps would probably RIP right off the head of your
• 30:19
  finger or head of your humerus. Probably would because that like
• 30:23
  the amount of tension and torque through this part of your muscle
• 30:27
  is absolutely mind blowing. These guys have like the
• 30:30
  strongest arms ever even though they're just doing straight arm
• 30:33
  stuff. It's crazy to be able to do
• 30:35
  that. So how long would it take
• 30:37
  somebody to get to the level to do that?
• 30:39
  Because you have it's it's you have to practice on the rings,
• 30:42
  right? You just can't, Yeah.
• 30:44
  They have, they make some tools for it and stuff like the things
• 30:46
  that'll assist you in doing those things.
• 30:48
  But like, OK, I don't know that like I'm 64.
• 30:52
  I don't know that that is in the cards for me.
• 30:54
  Like without years of training on an hourly basis.
• 31:00
  OK. Yeah, like I don't, I don't see
• 31:02
  that happening. So you have to have a specific
• 31:05
  body makeup to be even geared to accomplish those two positions.
• 31:11
  I'm not saying that someone who's 64 can't do those things.
• 31:14
  I'm sure that there is a lot of beasts out there that you can,
• 31:16
  but they've also trained gymnastics for a long period of
• 31:19
  time. Well, when you said that I don't
• 31:20
  have a picture of a big like heavyweight looking dude as a
• 31:24
  gymnast in my mind, right? No, they're they're.
• 31:26
  All 54 but like I like I said like and they weigh, they weigh
• 31:30
  100 and 25140 lbs but their strength to weight ratio is just
• 31:35
  out of this world. Sure.
• 31:38
  Yeah, yeah. So like rings, I think is one of
• 31:40
  those impressive. It is, man.
• 31:42
  Demonstrations of physical strength and ability?
• 31:45
  Ridiculous. Yeah, I knew the first time I
• 31:47
  saw that guy on the rings, I'm like, I would never cross him
• 31:51
  ever. Pop your head off like a zit.
• 31:55
  You know, like you said, his arm strength was just massive.
• 31:58
  Yeah. This is these are these are the
• 32:01
  exercises they talk about. We can just, you know, OK, the
• 32:05
  insanity of of. OK, so the thing that I like to
• 32:10
  do incorporate with my clients is not I don't, I don't do a lot
• 32:13
  of like ring like rings, like in the way that the like gymnasts
• 32:16
  do. I'll do ring pull ups and ring
• 32:18
  dips and stuff like that. But I like to do parallets.
• 32:20
  So those are like the parallel bars.
• 32:22
  And so mine mine that I built some out of PVC pipes and mine
• 32:25
  are about 16 inches off the ground.
• 32:27
  So they give you plenty of space for like the L sits and kind of
• 32:31
  like the transition from the L sit to the do like the same hold
• 32:35
  and up into like a shoulder stand or even a handstand if
• 32:37
  you're really strong. But that is a really great place
• 32:40
  for, I'm sorry to interrupt normal people who want to just
• 32:42
  improve their athleticism and physical strength to start
• 32:45
  without having to get specific gymnastics equipment or do
• 32:48
  things that are like completely outside of the the realm of
• 32:51
  possibility. I put up a like a, a bunch of
• 32:54
  videos on my, on my YouTube that are like all the like the P bar
• 32:57
  pairlet, like entry level workouts.
• 33:00
  But there's, there's a ton of people like gymnastics bodies
• 33:02
  and probably the guy who was just on that, that video that
• 33:05
  sell like little handbooks on how to like build up to your
• 33:08
  first plant or build up to your hand stand on the parallets.
• 33:10
  And those can be really fun to train in conjunction with
• 33:12
  another, like with strength training and cardio programs.
• 33:15
  But they're like skill based. You know, a lot of like, I would
• 33:17
  even say pull ups are skill based.
• 33:19
  Yeah, like you do. The more you do of them, the
• 33:22
  better you get at them, more so than just like building a big
• 33:25
  debt deadlift. That's true because I never did
• 33:27
  pull ups for I hadn't done pull ups for years and years and
• 33:29
  years and the first time I went to suffer city the the very
• 33:31
  first day was like we're doing pull ups and I'm like, look at
• 33:33
  the pull up. I'm like serious and I pulled
• 33:35
  off like 23 and I was like, holy shit, I could do 23 pull ups at
• 33:38
  fucking 54 years old. Like it blew my mind because I
• 33:42
  didn't I didn't realize, right, because just it's just orange
• 33:45
  theory and orange theory is not really built as a workout to to
• 33:48
  give you tons of strength, right?
• 33:50
  They're trying to say they're high rocks.
• 33:51
  They're high rocks training Now I'm like, you're not shut up.
• 33:53
  You're not high rocks training. Do you do you know how high
• 33:55
  rocks stands for? No.
• 33:57
  Please share. It's called, it's hybrid rock
• 34:00
  stars. And I'm, I'm going to have to
• 34:01
  insist that people when talking about high rocks to say hybrid
• 34:03
  rock stars because it just sounds so dorky when you say
• 34:07
  that. OK, so a hybrid rock star
• 34:10
  training is now at Orange Theory Fitness, which I don't really
• 34:13
  get because Suffer City was all about what was it again, hybrid
• 34:17
  Rockstar training. And like you're pushing sleds,
• 34:21
  you're doing, you're pulling the rope from the ground.
• 34:23
  Like you're laying on the ground, laying flat on the
• 34:24
  ground with the rope. And you got to you got to pull
• 34:26
  yourself up with just your arms and wrists all the way to the
• 34:29
  top. You're doing, you're doing
• 34:31
  squats, front squats, back squats with the bars.
• 34:33
  You're doing power cleans. You're doing half cleans, you're
• 34:36
  doing jump boxes. You're, you're, you're, you're
• 34:39
  got a 30 LB medicine ball. Drop it to a squat.
• 34:42
  And then and you know these Nate, right?
• 34:44
  And then you, you rise up. Balls watch that bad.
• 34:46
  Boy, yeah, you have to get it at the thing, catch it and go back
• 34:49
  all the way down. That shit doesn't compare to
• 34:51
  Orangetheory. I was having a good conversation
• 34:53
  with Lee, one of the trainers, a couple days ago and I'm like,
• 34:55
  and she's like, well, it's, you know, this is more the endurance
• 34:57
  side. And you know, I'm like, I get
• 34:59
  that, but it's, I've done them both, like I've done them both.
• 35:05
  And to me, Suffer City is up here.
• 35:07
  Then you got Orangetheory, then you got F-45, then you got D1.
• 35:12
  And I tried them all and the hardest by far was Suffer City.
• 35:18
  Michael attested that Mike thought Suffer City kicked his
• 35:20
  ass. Of course, he was just dreaming
• 35:22
  about it through my. My life because I feel like
• 35:25
  Suffer city also. I never trained there, but I
• 35:27
  thought a couple of people who have gone through and what they,
• 35:30
  it seems like what they do is they have the, the they kind of
• 35:32
  have like the CrossFit box with like the high rocks, the hybrid
• 35:36
  rock stars training and then kind of how many things in
• 35:38
  between. So they can do a lot more stuff
• 35:41
  and they don't seem like they're completely pigeonholed into one
• 35:44
  training methodology. They can make it really hard.
• 35:47
  Yeah, they're absolutely not because you still have the
• 35:49
  treadmill. You still have their treadmill's
• 35:51
  the the Groovy 1, right? Yeah, it's just a flat 1.
• 35:54
  It's a Groovy. One, they have your face on the
• 35:55
  ground. Right.
• 35:56
  They have the wind bikes, so they don't have just stationary
• 35:59
  bikes, they have the wind bikes. Where you doing this and the
• 36:01
  wind is circulating in your face?
• 36:03
  I got one of those my garage, and I think that's my best
• 36:05
  fitness investment ever. Those those things are harder
• 36:07
  than they than you think they are.
• 36:08
  When I first got there, like, you know, 10 years orange 3,
• 36:11
  this shit's going to be enough, man.
• 36:12
  That kicked my ass the first day.
• 36:13
  Like it kicked my ass like I was sore for days.
• 36:16
  Even though I pulled off the 23 pull ups, I was still sore for
• 36:19
  days. I still went back the next day
• 36:20
  because, you know, that's just my stupidity.
• 36:23
  But and then I, I get like 10 weeks, 2 weeks into it.
• 36:26
  This one guy ran into Nicki and I, we were that's cost for
• 36:28
  something. And you know, I'm low key when I
• 36:31
  go work out, I have my, my, you know, my I'm here to work
• 36:35
  outlook, right? And so I'm not very
• 36:38
  approachable. People would think and ran into
• 36:41
  this guy at Costco or something and he starts just showering me
• 36:43
  with accolades. But he's telling Nikki like this
• 36:45
  guy showed up and stuff. So you were like, who's this?
• 36:47
  And then he's just, he's balling out.
• 36:48
  He's like he's, he's maintaining with all of us.
• 36:50
  And we know all he did was orange tree because he told us
• 36:52
  that It's like, this is crazy. And I'm like, I'm thinking, no,
• 36:56
  this shit kicked my ass. There's no way.
• 36:58
  I was gassing all the day. Like the whole thing.
• 37:01
  I was gassed. When you push the sled the first
• 37:03
  time 100 yards or what? 100 yard, 100 feet.
• 37:07
  Oh my God, that that's like, and they got to pull it back and
• 37:11
  they got to push it again. I'm like, oh fuck this, this is
• 37:13
  crazy. You got to come over to one of
• 37:15
  my savage Saturday workouts. I know it's hard because
• 37:18
  Saturdays are open house days and things like that.
• 37:19
  But sooner or later, sooner or later, I'll get there.
• 37:23
  But it's only say it's 6:30 in the morning.
• 37:24
  You can. You're not open house 6. 30 I
• 37:26
  know, but that means I got to get up at. 5 We do a lot of like
• 37:28
  I used to do a lot of truck pulls there because we just put
• 37:30
  the hook people. I saw that and now we hook
• 37:33
  people up to the other people because when I have eight
• 37:36
  people, I got to have like I, I got to put them together or
• 37:38
  something like that. So I would do like, I'll hook
• 37:40
  them to there. So someone's leaning back and
• 37:41
  like giving you weight and you got a back pedal against it.
• 37:44
  So like top favorite leg exercises of all time?
• 37:47
  A backwards sled. Yeah, because it doesn't put any
• 37:50
  stress on your spine. You can train it because you
• 37:53
  have bad knees. And what's cool about it is that
• 37:54
  every single Rep is that what's called a terminal knee
• 37:56
  extension. So it's like that last little
• 37:58
  bit of a leg extension. And what's cool about that is
• 38:01
  that it's training your anterior tibialis, the front of your shin
• 38:03
  muscle, which is very healthy, which is very helpful for your
• 38:05
  knee health. And it's training your knees and
• 38:07
  your glute medias. So you're so you're building up
• 38:10
  big strong quads without having to do the negative, the
• 38:13
  eccentric portion like you would do with a squat.
• 38:15
  So without putting a lot of stress on your back, without
• 38:17
  putting a lot of like recovery debt into your workout, you
• 38:21
  build up this crazy burn in your legs.
• 38:24
  Because anyone who's got big quads, the one thing that tells
• 38:26
  me about them is that they are OK with suffering.
• 38:29
  They are good with it. You don't have big legs without
• 38:31
  suffering. And so if you do that, you do
• 38:34
  that for long periods of time, you get you get great ankle
• 38:36
  strength, great knee strength, great low back strength and you
• 38:38
  don't put yourself in recovery debt.
• 38:39
  That's a huge win, massive ROI exercise for me.
• 38:43
  Right on well that and the fact that that the legs drive
• 38:48
  everything so the stronger your legs are right, the better your
• 38:51
  life is. I learned that a long time ago
• 38:53
  that that you, you can have the biggest, you know, upper body in
• 38:56
  the world. You can bench £500, all this
• 38:58
  kind of jazz, but it's your legs that drive everything, your legs
• 39:01
  and. Your thighs save lives, baby.
• 39:07
  I'm on your, I'm on your, I'm on your Instagram.
• 39:09
  I want to find, I want to find the truck pull because I want to
• 39:12
  show people like I've seen it, I've seen you do it.
• 39:14
  It's freaking insane. It's so fun.
• 39:16
  It's just like, and then people will stop and be like, do you
• 39:18
  need help? And I'm like, no, I'm training.
• 39:20
  Right. Well, one of the things that you
• 39:24
  said, Nate, about protecting your back.
• 39:27
  What are the top two things that you think you do differently
• 39:31
  than, you know, Chris just mentioned four or five different
• 39:34
  things that he's done in his life that are, you know,
• 39:37
  national campaign, so to speak, for lack of a better term,
• 39:40
  right? You're an independent, super
• 39:43
  passionate about what you do. You have years of experience.
• 39:46
  What do you feel like you give your clients that they're not
• 39:49
  getting at a place like what Chris is going to?
• 39:51
  That's, you know, a chain operation.
• 39:54
  I would say like two things. They're both pretty related.
• 39:56
  Number one is I don't program like stuff because I'm don't.
• 40:02
  Zoom in. Don't zoom in.
• 40:03
  I won't. You can.
• 40:07
  You can swipe. It gets weirder.
• 40:08
  I know, I know. Like, but I don't give clients
• 40:13
  things for the sake of like getting them, getting them sore
• 40:16
  or tired. I don't treat soreness and
• 40:18
  tiredness as training metrics for a successful workout.
• 40:22
  I think of those things as like they're byproducts of just not
• 40:25
  having done the thing before. Chris said he was super sore
• 40:27
  after having done his workout, probably just because he hasn't
• 40:29
  done it. There's this principle called
• 40:30
  the specific adaptations to impose demands the said
• 40:32
  principle. And if you like, if I take the
• 40:35
  best athlete in the world and I have them go out and do 600
• 40:37
  lunges, they're going to be super sore.
• 40:39
  Sure, even if they're the greatest athletes off of all the
• 40:40
  time. So I, I always try to keep that
• 40:43
  in mind. I'm not, I, I want to make
• 40:44
  people better and not lazy or not a not a not tired or sore.
• 40:48
  And then I always, always, always think a lot about ROI,
• 40:53
  what is the return on my investment for this workout?
• 40:55
  And especially as I've gotten a little bit older and, you know,
• 40:58
  dealing with my clientele that's getting a little bit older, too.
• 41:00
  This. Yeah, it's a good one because I
• 41:01
  can stick myself with a needle here.
• 41:03
  Ow why are you doing that? I put a chip clip on.
• 41:10
  It's my, it's my chip, my needle chip clip.
• 41:12
  OK. So everything that I do, I'm
• 41:14
  trying to run through the filter of like, what is the best, where
• 41:18
  is the lowest risk with the highest reward on any particular
• 41:21
  exercise. So there's always like it's
• 41:23
  probably 8 or 10 exercises that I think of that really I can
• 41:26
  encompass that for me. And I just have, I have people
• 41:29
  do those exercises most of the time.
• 41:31
  And there's always a like, you know, some sort of dumbbell row,
• 41:34
  but you can do a million different variations of it.
• 41:36
  So I like to mix with the variations, but I'm not having
• 41:38
  people do dumbbell snatches overhead, for example.
• 41:41
  I don't think the risk really not is there.
• 41:44
  Like like is good for the reward there.
• 41:46
  Most people don't have great thoracic mobility doing
• 41:49
  something explosive up and overhead.
• 41:50
  It just puts a lot of stress on the shoulder in the whole
• 41:53
  system. So if you're not completely
• 41:54
  locked in both mentally and physically, maybe you're a
• 41:57
  little bit tired, maybe your shoulder's been bugging you a
• 41:59
  little bit and now your shoulder is sore for three months.
• 42:01
  Like that wasn't worth it for that.
• 42:03
  That's going to be my question a lot before you get too far away
• 42:06
  from both of those subjects, how do you balance, you know, like
• 42:11
  you said, he was sore afterwards.
• 42:13
  How do you balance how far you can push someone versus how much
• 42:17
  recovery they need before they can do that particular exercise
• 42:20
  again? That's, I think that's all been
• 42:23
  a lot of just experience and I've been now personal training
• 42:26
  for 17 years. That's what I want.
• 42:27
  To tell when people are are getting to the point where I
• 42:30
  can't push them more. I also have this, this thing I
• 42:33
  call the rule of 12. So if I'm doing a super set, so
• 42:36
  let's say I'm super setting like a leg move and an upper body
• 42:38
  move, I don't want to do 2 moves that are both 8 out of 10.
• 42:42
  I don't want to do like like an L sit, pull up and a front
• 42:46
  squat, something like that. That's like both of those
• 42:48
  exercises are both like very, very challenging, like both
• 42:51
  neurologically and physically and putting those pair together
• 42:54
  like you can get away with it sometimes, you know, like most
• 42:57
  maybe those are both sevens and now we're doing a 14.
• 43:00
  I think that's a little too high.
• 43:01
  I would prefer to split it. Maybe do the L sip pull up with
• 43:04
  like a a single leg variation and then the front squat with
• 43:07
  like a single arm cable variation.
• 43:10
  So it's just a little bit more like flexible with their, like
• 43:14
  they're not having to put so much stress into their central
• 43:17
  nervous system and feeling like they're now burnt out, beat up
• 43:21
  and they leave the gym feeling worse than when they got there.
• 43:23
  I'm one of my big goals is whenever someone trains with me,
• 43:25
  whenever I teach a class, I want people to leave feeling better
• 43:28
  than when they got there. It's OK if you throw up.
• 43:31
  It's OK if you like you get a little like, you know, a little
• 43:33
  nauseous sometimes, especially we're pushing the pace on the
• 43:35
  assault bike or whatever, but I want you to leave feeling better
• 43:39
  than when you got there. And sometimes, you know, like
• 43:40
  that's not always going to be the case.
• 43:41
  Your first leg day back after four months off is never going
• 43:44
  to feel that great. You got to get through that that
• 43:46
  piece. So like all this stuff I feel
• 43:48
  like is is take with a grain of salt, but that's kind of my
• 43:51
  philosophy when coaching somebody.
• 43:54
  OK, so now the other side of that, that Chris and I were
• 43:58
  talking about on the last podcast that we waited for you
• 44:00
  to show up that I know is near and dear to your heart, that is
• 44:03
  not to a lot of other fitness programs is nutrition.
• 44:07
  So we have a new food pyramid, right?
• 44:10
  Talk to us about that. Yeah, I'm so I think that number
• 44:14
  like #1 I'm, I'm very contrarian.
• 44:16
  So people are on both sides are like, oh, I love, I love the new
• 44:19
  food pyramid, more meat, whatever else.
• 44:21
  The sweet people are like that's too much fat in the whatever.
• 44:23
  It doesn't matter. No one's going to do the food
• 44:26
  pyramid. No one's ever done the food
• 44:27
  pyramid. So like, you know, if I look
• 44:30
  some of the stats up and basically it is these are self
• 44:33
  reported, but the amount of people who were getting the
• 44:36
  required amounts of fruits and veggies either on the food
• 44:38
  pyramid, the original 1 or my plate, less than 1% of people
• 44:43
  were getting that. Really.
• 44:44
  So like everyone can get all butthurt about it, but it
• 44:46
  doesn't matter that no one's doing it.
• 44:50
  The one thing that I will say is that like we're kind of we're
• 44:52
  bringing back in protein at every meal.
• 44:54
  And while RFK Junior is like we're going to end the war on
• 44:57
  protein, there's no war on protein.
• 44:59
  There's protein in like tortilla chips.
• 45:01
  Now it's fine. Like there's proteins in like
• 45:03
  marshmallows and breakfast cereal.
• 45:06
  There's, there's plenty of ways to get protein, but I like that
• 45:09
  there's now there's a focus on protein with every meal.
• 45:11
  I think that's important. That's always one of my like my
• 45:14
  big rules for nutrition. I like to really simplify things
• 45:16
  down and one of them is it's crazy.
• 45:17
  If it doesn't have protein in it, don't eat it.
• 45:21
  It's right. Don't if it doesn't have
• 45:22
  protein, don't eat it. Like so if it's like, obviously
• 45:24
  like mashed potatoes is is not protein.
• 45:26
  But if you're eating mashed potatoes and chicken and
• 45:28
  broccoli, that's a protein meal. Great.
• 45:30
  Eat that, right. You know, don't go out and eat a
• 45:32
  bowl full of cereal. Not really, no.
• 45:35
  OK, not in a bowl full of. Cereal.
• 45:37
  We gotta eat a bowl full of cereal.
• 45:38
  Oh, OK. I I don't, I don't know.
• 45:40
  I just, I thought it did for some reason.
• 45:42
  Do you know? Broccoli is man made.
• 45:44
  Yep. Is it really?
• 45:45
  I was asking Chris down on my fingers.
• 45:47
  You did? Yeah.
• 45:48
  Oh, I didn't know that. I got I got some man made
• 45:49
  broccoli in my garden outside. It's just basically mini
• 45:51
  cabbage. Oh, I.
• 45:53
  Thought it was. I thought it was crossed with
• 45:55
  with cauliflower. It is cabbage and cauliflower.
• 45:59
  And we turned it green. OK who?
• 46:00
  Who the hell had the idea of making broccoli, man?
• 46:03
  Like, wait, let's come up with something kids are going to
• 46:06
  hate. Right.
• 46:07
  What do you got? And I meant when I was peas.
• 46:10
  Man, I love it now. Yeah, Jake, Jake hate agreements
• 46:13
  with his kids to the point that he would make himself gag and
• 46:15
  and and spit it out. Little man hates peas to the
• 46:19
  point that he told he told scouter's mom at one point in
• 46:22
  time when he gets 6, he'll be a big boy.
• 46:24
  He'll eat some peas. So on his 6th birthday, like
• 46:26
  dinner like really sky she fed him peas and it's the same thing
• 46:30
  that Jake did, man. He started start gagging himself
• 46:33
  and and I was like there's so many other vegetables that he'll
• 46:38
  eat like just feed a peas. My kids love peas and they want
• 46:42
  me to feed them like the frozen peas.
• 46:44
  They don't want me to them up. They want frozen peas in a bowl.
• 46:46
  Yeah. Why Frozen?
• 46:49
  What did you do to them when they were young, Nate?
• 46:51
  I don't know if I just made them eat the food that I ate.
• 46:54
  I didn't give them anything special.
• 46:57
  Well, we did the same thing. I mean, I don't know what Skyler
• 46:59
  did because I don't. We don't really have them.
• 47:00
  We never had it. Well, we did for a while, but I
• 47:02
  just have them for breakfast now and it's the hardest thing in
• 47:04
  the world to get him to eat, so I begot.
• 47:06
  I've been getting him to eat a banana and peanut butter toast.
• 47:09
  Perfect. Because he just, you know, like
• 47:12
  I got sausage dog. No, you know, he doesn't like
• 47:15
  eggs, at least over here, you know, so it's it's a bagel of
• 47:19
  cream cheese and I'm like, did you need more protein?
• 47:21
  So I started doing Bagel of peanut Butter, and then I got
• 47:23
  bananas. I'm like, but he goes through
• 47:25
  cycles, right? Every for a week.
• 47:27
  He'll like bananas and he won't like them anymore.
• 47:29
  Yeah, I think that's a kid thing, right?
• 47:31
  Like my kids like, hey, you guys like this last time They're
• 47:33
  like, I hate that now. Yeah, since when?
• 47:36
  They're like since right this second, bring me chicken Nuggets
• 47:40
  just started. Like OK, how about no chicken
• 47:42
  Nuggets and that's all the food you get and no snacks from that
• 47:44
  for a week because I'm mad. Right, right, I tell him.
• 47:48
  I'll turn the teeth off if you don't eat the peanut butter
• 47:50
  toast and bananas, but I'm turning TV off.
• 47:51
  You're going to sit on the kitchen island until it's time
• 47:53
  to go to school and do nothing, he looks at.
• 47:55
  Me, I'm like, I'm serious. I'm serious, low man.
• 47:57
  And he'll pick up his fork and eat his banana and then OK, now
• 48:00
  the toast. Let's get peanut butter.
• 48:02
  I know you need the protein. Eat it.
• 48:04
  OK, so I, I I think that peanut butter toast with banana, great
• 48:07
  breakfast for him. No problem.
• 48:10
  I got to I'm going to die on this hill.
• 48:11
  Peanut butter's not protein. A hard stop.
• 48:13
  It's not protein. Peanutter fat.
• 48:16
  And not only is it a fat, it doesn't even have a complete
• 48:18
  amino acid profile, so it can't even doesn't even qualify as
• 48:21
  being in the ballpark of protein.
• 48:23
  I do. I really like to my whole life.
• 48:25
  I you too, right, Mike? You thought I was protein?
• 48:27
  He just blew me away. That's why I said talk to me.
• 48:30
  So fuck me dude. Sorry, here's the thing.
• 48:33
  Here's the thing. Here's.
• 48:34
  What you can do so? Peanut butter.
• 48:36
  There's this. There's this powdered peanut
• 48:37
  butter called PB2PB Fit. Yep, I got it.
• 48:39
  Yep, take that and mix it with a little bit of Greek yogurt.
• 48:43
  OK, now it's a protein source because that like it has a
• 48:45
  little bit more protein in it because the fat is was way
• 48:48
  reduced. And then the Greek yogurt has
• 48:49
  protein in it and then smear that on a bagel and it's like a
• 48:52
  nice creamy. If you take the powder and mix
• 48:54
  it into Greek yogurt and like whiskey really good.
• 48:56
  It becomes this like nice whipped topping textures.
• 48:58
  So I'll just tell them it's a different peanut butter then
• 49:00
  because I tell them it's Greek yogurt.
• 49:01
  Peanut peanut butter frosting. OK, so let me.
• 49:05
  Ask you this then yeah, go ahead, Mike.
• 49:07
  We we thought that peanut butter was semi healthy for us, right?
• 49:10
  It is it not healthy at all? Does it provide really no
• 49:15
  benefit other than to turn a lot of things turn into sugar that
• 49:17
  people don't realize, right? Is that one of them?
• 49:20
  No, I would say it's very hard to convert fats and proteins
• 49:23
  into sugars. It's really easy to convert
• 49:24
  carbs. It costs a lot of our like our
• 49:27
  bodies like processes to convert them.
• 49:30
  I will say peanut butters are seem to be a little bit more
• 49:34
  like mold heavy than almonds. So that's like kind of a, a
• 49:37
  negative. They are also really high in fat
• 49:40
  and and while that's not necessarily a bad thing, a lot
• 49:41
  of people like fat and get needle need it in their diets.
• 49:45
  It's extremely easy to overeat fat.
• 49:48
  Like if you track your calories at any time like and you're
• 49:50
  like, OK, I'm trying to get 90 grams of fat today.
• 49:52
  It's so easy to go to 140 in like a meal.
• 49:55
  You eat one rib eye and then all of a sudden you're like, how am
• 49:57
  I at 120 already? It is extremely easy.
• 50:00
  So when I have, whenever I have people who are having a hard
• 50:03
  time losing, losing weight or they're like, man, I'm like,
• 50:06
  just I'm doing, I'm eating really clean, but I'm not
• 50:08
  getting the results I want. Most of the time there's it's
• 50:11
  two culprits. They're not sleeping correctly
• 50:13
  or they're eating too much fat. And I just see that over and
• 50:15
  over and over and over again. So I don't want to say that
• 50:17
  like, no, there's no benefit to it because there's like it's,
• 50:20
  it's got nutrients in it, it's got vitamins and minerals.
• 50:22
  OK, what if somebody comes and asks you the opposite question
• 50:25
  like myself? Sometimes I have trouble putting
• 50:27
  on weight, right? I'll go through periods where, I
• 50:29
  mean, you know, there's women out there screaming at me right
• 50:31
  now, but I will actually eat what I want forever and I'll be
• 50:34
  I'll lose weight at the same time, right?
• 50:36
  I know part of it's stress. Sometimes sleep is another one.
• 50:39
  You know, I go through periods where I don't sleep so well.
• 50:42
  But what would you advise to somebody that came to you and
• 50:45
  said I have trouble putting on weight?
• 50:48
  What do I eat then? Tacos.
• 50:50
  Lots and lots of tacos. That's healthy, right?
• 50:54
  Yeah, healthy tacos can be healthy.
• 50:56
  No, I thank you. No, I'm just throwing that in
• 50:58
  there. Yeah, No, I think they're like,
• 51:00
  I think there's a a couple things.
• 51:01
  Number one is that I think this idea of like bulking and adding
• 51:03
  an extra 500 to 1000 calories every single day to gain weight
• 51:07
  is not ideal. When they show that, we look at
• 51:10
  studies about people gaining muscle.
• 51:12
  You don't need much more than your maintenance level of
• 51:14
  calories to gain muscle to gain weight.
• 51:18
  We can do that easily. Stack at the peanut butter, a
• 51:20
  little bit of ice cream after dinner.
• 51:21
  Just make sure you're getting some snacks in.
• 51:23
  Stay and stay in bed all the time.
• 51:25
  That's a great way to gain weight.
• 51:26
  Drink a bunch of milk. And be and be really lazy so.
• 51:30
  I can't have that limits me there.
• 51:32
  All right, well, just like just eggnog, that's probably not
• 51:36
  dairy. But if you're trying to gain
• 51:37
  muscle and gain like good weight, a lot of times that's
• 51:40
  going to be focusing in on your pre and post workout nutrition
• 51:45
  and making sure those are low fat meals, but high carb, high
• 51:48
  protein meals. So usually like a lot of times,
• 51:51
  like that's where the biggest meals of the day will come from
• 51:54
  because pre workout you're now fueling your body, giving
• 51:57
  yourself the nutrients it needs, the the glycogen in your muscles
• 52:00
  to be able to go exercise. And then post workout, you've
• 52:03
  now burned off that muscle glycogen.
• 52:04
  So you're refilling those stores.
• 52:06
  And then what's cool about the post workout window is I love
• 52:08
  this is that when you, when you work out and then you eat most
• 52:12
  of your carbs, you're starting to train your body that when we
• 52:16
  eat carbs, it goes to muscle. That's where we put it, rather
• 52:19
  than let's goes to storage, just generally.
• 52:22
  Yeah. So when I get the working out, I
• 52:25
  should eat, I should eat, I should eat.
• 52:27
  Say that again. It should be carbs when it get
• 52:29
  that worked out carbs and carbs and proteins is is probably your
• 52:32
  ideal limited fats because you don't want to slow digestion
• 52:35
  down too much and that post workout you want to give
• 52:37
  yourself the like the ability to digest and put those nutrients
• 52:40
  where they go pretty quickly. OK.
• 52:43
  So my top carbs I didn't you didn't ask, but I'll tell you
• 52:46
  anyways. Yeah, I was.
• 52:47
  I was going to go there. Potatoes number one Potatoes and
• 52:50
  sweet potatoes number one for. Sure, I love potatoes.
• 52:52
  Me too, from the motherland. I can tell from the my love.
• 52:56
  Of the motherland with a potato famine we live in potatoes all
• 52:59
  the. Time, I think we can't do rice,
• 53:01
  but rice I think is is like a pretty innocuous carb.
• 53:04
  It doesn't doesn't do much to you, doesn't keep people like
• 53:06
  too floated. Big fan of what, Mike?
• 53:09
  Big fan of Rice. Rice.
• 53:11
  I like Jasmine rice. Oh, Jasmine rice, Jasmine rice
• 53:13
  is the best you're going to do it that long grain Jasmine.
• 53:16
  I also been like trying to make like the black rice, the
• 53:18
  forbidden rice, but I but making that into your rice cooker, not
• 53:22
  so great. You would have learned about
• 53:25
  making, you know, I'm sorry, this is the total squirrel
• 53:27
  moment when I learned about making rice in a rice cooker.
• 53:30
  As soon as it's done, take all the rice out because then the
• 53:32
  pan is that has that doesn't have rice stuck to it.
• 53:36
  Like we would just make rice and then we'd scoop out for the
• 53:38
  meal, right? And then let it sit and the
• 53:40
  whole thing's coming, right? Take it all out at once and
• 53:42
  you're good, man. Do that in any cooking utensil
• 53:46
  you're using, all the time. Always.
• 53:48
  OK, that's just the way you cook.
• 53:51
  Oh wow, I didn't know we'll have that.
• 53:52
  Sounds like a way to get more pans dirty, which you know.
• 53:55
  Right, cooking. We're gonna have another
• 53:56
  episode. Cooking tips from Mike.
• 53:57
  That's growing up with Mama Kate and keeping things organized and
• 54:00
  not having all this stuff in the end.
• 54:02
  Yeah, yeah. OK.
• 54:03
  Sounds very organized. Yeah, I took you off.
• 54:05
  I took off. Your no, we're on fruits.
• 54:07
  Fruits. Fruits is number 3 for me.
• 54:09
  OK, OK, so potatoes, right? Pacific fruits or any fruits?
• 54:14
  Nate, do you have super fruits that you like to?
• 54:17
  If we're going to if we're going to put something in a superfood
• 54:19
  category, which I think is largely marketing and bullshit,
• 54:23
  pomegranates, acai berries, they're not super fruits.
• 54:26
  There's a lot of vitamins and minerals in them, but
• 54:28
  blueberries have got to be up there.
• 54:30
  They're just so good. They're so hot, like so rich in
• 54:32
  antioxidants, and they're so limited in calories and sugar
• 54:35
  and they're just delicious, so. Can I ask?
• 54:37
  You these are always one of the best ways to go.
• 54:39
  OK. So generally if I have someone
• 54:41
  who's trying to get away from from eating a lot of sugar or
• 54:43
  trying to lose weight, I had them stay away from the higher
• 54:45
  glycemic fruits. That's the bananas, the
• 54:47
  pineapples, the mangoes. Those are a little higher
• 54:51
  glycemic, but I think grapes. But I but like berries, apples,
• 54:56
  oranges. You can't go wrong with those
• 54:58
  guys. Like having those for lunch, you
• 54:59
  know, just like eating some protein, apples and oranges.
• 55:02
  It's just like that's the way God intended us to eat food, you
• 55:04
  know? Agree.
• 55:05
  Yeah, yeah. Apple a day.
• 55:08
  Does something support? So if I so if I ate a medley of
• 55:11
  of pineapple chunks, watermelon chunks, and blueberries and
• 55:14
  strawberries every afternoon, is that a good or bad thing?
• 55:19
  Are you having? Protein with it.
• 55:21
  It's my afternoon snack. So is that a no or is that a
• 55:25
  yes? I can't tell.
• 55:25
  That's a that's a no, it's my well before before that or
• 55:29
  typically before that, it will have actually, I'm sorry, I have
• 55:33
  lunch and that's my afternoon snack.
• 55:34
  And then a couple hours later I'll have I'll have a protein
• 55:37
  based chicken. Rice, what's your lunch?
• 55:40
  It's typically some type of chicken, tuna, rice, tortilla,
• 55:46
  cheese. So I don't like, I don't like
• 55:48
  the necessarily the good or bad label, the cleaner dirty, the
• 55:50
  really binary like you're eating, you're eating Whole
• 55:54
  Foods that are nutrient rich, antioxidant rich.
• 55:58
  That's great. What I would love to see is
• 56:00
  maybe add into like, you know, just even like 1/2 scoop of
• 56:03
  protein or something like that, just on the side.
• 56:05
  Because what's happening is now you're, you're increasing your,
• 56:07
  your glycogen in your blood so your blood sugar goes up.
• 56:10
  OK. And blood sugar is the key to
• 56:12
  opening up cell doors, right? So if all you have is blood
• 56:16
  sugar or triglycerides fats floating around, it's easy to
• 56:19
  open up fat doors and stuff stuff into fat storage.
• 56:22
  Oh no shit. But if you have proteins and
• 56:24
  amino acids floating in the blood as as well, it's easier to
• 56:27
  open up muscle cell doors and pack those into muscle.
• 56:30
  So if I sprinkle that's what PB 2?
• 56:31
  Doesn't have protein? Don't eat it.
• 56:33
  Right, so if I sprinkle with PB2 it would be fine?
• 56:36
  If I sprinkle the PB 2 is a pretty low protein.
• 56:39
  But like, yeah, get a, get a, get 1/2 scoop of half scoop of
• 56:42
  whey protein, a scoop of PB2 and then that's, that's your little
• 56:46
  drink with it. That'd be amazing.
• 56:48
  It'd be a great way to add some size Mike to your question.
• 56:51
  You keep pushing this dairy on me, though.
• 56:52
  See, I'm a talent, Nate. I can't what was the dairy I.
• 56:56
  Can't have weigh anything. They will have they have the
• 56:58
  beef protein isolate. I don't give a shit.
• 57:00
  You OK? You see?
• 57:04
  A lot of things plant based protein.
• 57:05
  Come on. A lot of these questions I'm
• 57:07
  asking is because I have like what I would call a pedestrian
• 57:10
  knowledge of this shit, right? It's just from listening to
• 57:12
  podcast, so I have different opinions.
• 57:15
  When you were on the first time, everything you said made total
• 57:18
  sense, right? And today it's like, what are
• 57:20
  you talking? About what the fuck no.
• 57:21
  No man, that's why we want on, you know?
• 57:25
  How do you feel about what the news was that came out?
• 57:28
  And I like your answer in that I'm just going to do what I've
• 57:32
  always been doing because nobody paid attention to that shit
• 57:34
  anyway. But but like so the so beef
• 57:39
  protein isolate is a good non dairy type of of protein.
• 57:43
  Couple tips on that. If you're going to get beef
• 57:45
  protein isolate, always get chocolate because it's kind of a
• 57:47
  rich mocha Y flavor. It's much richer protein than or
• 57:51
  a whey. Do not get the watermelon
• 57:54
  flavored beef isolate. You're going to think I should
• 57:57
  get watermelon flavored beef isolate.
• 57:59
  It's a good idea. Do not do that under any
• 58:02
  circumstances, Mike. OK.
• 58:05
  Don't do it. And then the other thing that it
• 58:07
  could be good is an egg white protein and that they there's
• 58:09
  this stuff called muscle egg, which sells gallon jugs of like
• 58:13
  of egg of pasteurized egg whites that you could literally just
• 58:15
  drink like a cup of it is like 30 guys of protein.
• 58:19
  And if you get the cake batter one, it's legitimately just the
• 58:23
  it's delicious. But check that out.
• 58:25
  That's a that'd be a good way to gain some some lean muscle mass
• 58:28
  too. Awesome muscle egg.
• 58:31
  This episode is brought to you by.
• 58:32
  Muscle Egg. So we had we had this guy on the
• 58:38
  show a couple episodes ago. I don't know if you know who he
• 58:41
  is. Apache Joe.
• 58:43
  You know, Apache Joe is Snake. I'm familiar show Apache
• 58:46
  Junction fit guy, fit guy. He's actually running his fourth
• 58:52
  full marathon, water in his mouth the entire time and a
• 58:57
  piece of tape over his mouth that says Apache Joe.
• 58:59
  Huh. He, you guys would be like Ying
• 59:03
  and Yang, man. Like from a physique standpoint,
• 59:05
  from a health standpoint, from what you eat standpoint.
• 59:10
  Like I was trying to find something on his, on his, on his
• 59:13
  Instagram where he's actually just standing still.
• 59:16
  He's just, he's always moving. I found him in a dad's group on
• 59:21
  Facebook. I think.
• 59:22
  I think it's the same group that you and I are in, but really,
• 59:27
  really cool dude, super nice guy.
• 59:30
  I, I think I even mentioned Mike, didn't I?
• 59:31
  Like we should have him and Nate on at some point in time.
• 59:34
  You did. I did because I think you guys
• 59:36
  would just, you guys would just you, you just same cloth man.
• 59:40
  And he's that guy that he, yeah, even.
• 59:42
  Fell out of my chair when he said he ran that whole marathon
• 59:45
  with, yeah, he's like, you have a crazy tape over my mouth to
• 59:48
  prove that, you know? To do breathe.
• 59:50
  Water to nasal breathe like that like that requires like a lot of
• 59:52
  diligent training. That's amazing.
• 59:54
  I sleep with with mouth tape on Sometimes you do and I try to,
• 59:57
  when I try to like when I do jiu jitsu or when I do cardio, I try
• 1:00:00
  to breathe through my my nose as much as I can.
• 1:00:02
  But at a certain point, like I kind of just, I stopped being
• 1:00:05
  able to do that. And he does it with water.
• 1:00:07
  He does it with water in his mouth the whole race.
• 1:00:10
  And he was telling us how, yeah, 26.2 miles.
• 1:00:12
  He holds the same sip of water in his mouth.
• 1:00:14
  Yeah, yeah, there's, there's waters.
• 1:00:16
  And he says Spartans did it. He's like the Spartans were
• 1:00:18
  going 10 mile runs with water in their mouth.
• 1:00:20
  Like it's just, it's crazy. It's it's some breathing science
• 1:00:23
  and and and I was like, dude, that's I've tried it before, but
• 1:00:26
  with my asthma, it just, I always end up having to open my
• 1:00:28
  mouth. I just can't.
• 1:00:29
  I just and he's like, well, I have asthma.
• 1:00:31
  I'm like OK that's cool, but I'm not Apache Joe.
• 1:00:37
  Some people are a bit different though, you know, some like,
• 1:00:39
  right, you know, I like, I think about David Goggins sometimes.
• 1:00:42
  Oh yeah, one of the best Brogan episodes ever.
• 1:00:45
  That guy is like that guy. Like on paper you're like, whoa,
• 1:00:48
  what a beast. And then you're like, bro, you
• 1:00:50
  could have avoided all of that trauma if you had just done
• 1:00:53
  like, a cursory Google search about electrolytes.
• 1:00:55
  Sure. He's like, I'm, I'm going to run
• 1:00:57
  a marathon. I poured broken glass into my
• 1:00:59
  shoes. You're like, why would you do
• 1:01:01
  that? Who are you trying to prove this
• 1:01:04
  to? Himself?
• 1:01:05
  But. Like, I don't know, like I just
• 1:01:08
  like again, like I always think about the ROI, like what's like,
• 1:01:11
  what is the point of this? What did you ever?
• 1:01:13
  Listen to him on Rogan. Nate, not to interrupt you.
• 1:01:15
  I I apologize. Talk over.
• 1:01:16
  Either I've heard clips I don't. I don't listen to Rogan episodes
• 1:01:19
  because they're long and I don't and they're long over 8.
• 1:01:23
  Million people have listened to his.
• 1:01:26
  If you listen, that's just don't understand why he does it.
• 1:01:30
  Yeah, just that particular episode.
• 1:01:32
  And here's why, he admits over and over and over again.
• 1:01:36
  I'm a dummy, right? I could have done things way to
• 1:01:40
  your point. I know I could have done things
• 1:01:43
  way easier. But when you hear the beginning
• 1:01:46
  of his story and how he grew up. I read his book.
• 1:01:49
  Yeah, he barely had a chance, right?
• 1:01:51
  So he had just keeps admitting all I knew how to do was
• 1:01:55
  overcome, right? And he overcame in the only way
• 1:01:59
  he knew possible. And it wasn't always the right
• 1:02:01
  thing, but his motivation and his discipline is unmatched in
• 1:02:06
  my opinion. I just don't want him to be 55
• 1:02:09
  and not be able to do anything ever again because he just was
• 1:02:13
  like couldn't be bothered to like do do something the right
• 1:02:15
  way or wear the right running shoes.
• 1:02:17
  Sure, I'm running, I'm running a race.
• 1:02:19
  Antivas like. Why?
• 1:02:20
  Which is why I asked you the question earlier.
• 1:02:23
  You know, how much credence to you give to recovery versus
• 1:02:27
  pushing yourself to the limit, right?
• 1:02:30
  Because the new, the new mindset is we don't push ourselves to
• 1:02:34
  the limit or past, we push ourselves 80% to the limit and
• 1:02:38
  we recover so that we can keep doing it when we're 60, right?
• 1:02:42
  John Harbaugh spending £400 or. 400 squatting Squatting 450 lbs.
• 1:02:47
  63 years old. 8 times, I don't know.
• 1:02:49
  I don't know the age because the video didn't say the age.
• 1:02:52
  He's 60 right now. He is, but I don't know the age
• 1:02:54
  of the video because he was, he was.
• 1:02:56
  He was in the Ravens gear, Ravens athletic room, whatever.
• 1:03:00
  That video was from this season. Oh, OK, I didn't know I.
• 1:03:04
  Just I saw it. I know what you're talking.
• 1:03:06
  About. OK, cool.
• 1:03:06
  Yeah, right on. But I think that like we like, I
• 1:03:09
  think we were so like everyone was so intense for a minute with
• 1:03:11
  like CrossFit and pushing yourself and puking, give
• 1:03:13
  yourself rhabdomyolysis. And then we're shifting the
• 1:03:16
  needle way back to being like, well, it's only cold plunge and
• 1:03:19
  only drink green tea and only go to 80% because you can't.
• 1:03:22
  But I also think there's like, again, like I don't like these
• 1:03:24
  black and white like one side of the other.
• 1:03:26
  I think you got to push yourself sometimes and you got to also
• 1:03:29
  recover really hard. So you have those really smart,
• 1:03:32
  smart times. Like when I train, I called it
• 1:03:34
  the TEF method, the top end failure training.
• 1:03:37
  So if let's say we're doing like a, a pull down, just doing a
• 1:03:39
  pull down, OK, we'll do 12 reps, then we'll do 10 reps then we'll
• 1:03:42
  do 8 reps something like that. OK, first set, we'll do 100 lbs
• 1:03:45
  on the, on the 12 reps we could have done another 8 or 10 reps
• 1:03:49
  no problem. Second set, we're doing 10 reps
• 1:03:51
  and we're going to be doing 150 lbs OK, we got we got 10 reps We
• 1:03:56
  could have gotten 12 or 13. And then on 8 reps we're going
• 1:03:59
  to go 180 lbs and we're going to get we're going to get 7 and
• 1:04:03
  we're not going to quite get our eight.
• 1:04:04
  And then we're going to go to the top and we're going to do
• 1:04:06
  these small little baby reps all we got.
• 1:04:08
  Got another six in there and then we're done.
• 1:04:11
  You did 7 1/2 like real reps You did like another seven like baby
• 1:04:16
  reps to the top. And then all you did was you
• 1:04:19
  just like you. It's like playing poker, right?
• 1:04:20
  You did the small blind on your first couple sets, you did big
• 1:04:23
  blind, you did the flop and then you went all in on your chips.
• 1:04:26
  And most people don't ever like they've put, they go all in and
• 1:04:28
  they fold before they see the end, the last card because they
• 1:04:31
  don't push themselves to those last two or three reps.
• 1:04:34
  But like, so there's that side where people, you see people
• 1:04:36
  benching 135 lbs for 10 reps this year, next year, and the,
• 1:04:40
  and the following year, because they never get pushed themselves
• 1:04:42
  to their limit and force their body to change.
• 1:04:45
  And there's the other side where people try to go up 50 lbs every
• 1:04:48
  single workout and end up blowing out a rotator cuff.
• 1:04:50
  And the, and the answer, as always, is somewhere in the
• 1:04:53
  middle where it's like, choose your points, choose the
• 1:04:55
  intensity, do something hard. But like, like I was talking
• 1:04:59
  about earlier, the human drags, the sled drags.
• 1:05:01
  Those are high ROI things that you can really fucking suffer
• 1:05:05
  during if you put your mind to it, but are not going to destroy
• 1:05:09
  your body. So that's like that's the
• 1:05:11
  mentality that I, that I like to bring is like, yes, let's get
• 1:05:14
  intense, let's do it smart and then let's work our asses off in
• 1:05:19
  a way that's not going to like absolutely destroy us or
• 1:05:21
  decimate us for two weeks to come so we can come back and
• 1:05:24
  train the next day. Well, that's why I wanted you to
• 1:05:26
  explain that because before we started recording, we were
• 1:05:29
  talking about different things. And I told you, I think I was
• 1:05:32
  talking to Chris, and I said I had a ton of guitar students who
• 1:05:36
  basically would have the same lesson over and over and over
• 1:05:39
  again because they never pushed themselves.
• 1:05:41
  They didn't have the discipline to do the weekly work to move on
• 1:05:46
  to the next thing. That's why I wanted you to
• 1:05:48
  explain working out in the same way.
• 1:05:50
  There are times I'm so sorry I have to go.
• 1:05:52
  My wife just got in a car accident.
• 1:05:54
  Oh. Jesus, shut up.
• 1:05:55
  Did she really? Yeah.
• 1:05:56
  I'm so sorry. I don't know.
• 1:05:58
  I hope she's OK, guys. Hope she's OK.
• 1:06:02
  Prayers, brother. Thoughts and thoughts and
• 1:06:04
  prayers. That's weird that oh, whoa,
• 1:06:06
  terrible, terrible. Sorry, Nate.
• 1:06:09
  Hope she's OK. Yeah, prayers to Nate's wife.
• 1:06:13
  That's a terrible text to get on on a positive text to get while
• 1:06:18
  we're doing the show, Jake, the Marine text me, I'm getting
• 1:06:25
  moved to another unit. I'm like, oh, I got orders to be
• 1:06:29
  supply chief. Congratulations, Jake.
• 1:06:34
  Right, right. Where I'm.
• 1:06:36
  Like, right, I don't know. He didn't, he didn't expand
• 1:06:39
  there. He just, he just, he just said I
• 1:06:40
  got orders. He's like I'm moving to another
• 1:06:43
  unit. And I said why?
• 1:06:44
  He's like, I got orders to become the new supply chief.
• 1:06:47
  So he was telling me a couple, right?
• 1:06:49
  He was telling me a couple days ago that when when he first got
• 1:06:54
  to Pendleton doing his job, the person in charge at the time got
• 1:06:58
  like a 37% on on. It's kind of like when I ran
• 1:07:03
  group home state would come into the houses and they'd have this
• 1:07:05
  major checklist they'd go through.
• 1:07:07
  Like all the rooms had to be clean.
• 1:07:09
  The bathrooms had to be clean. You know, I kind of like white
• 1:07:11
  glove test. They had to all my pill minders
• 1:07:13
  had to jive with the actual medications themselves, the
• 1:07:16
  doshas, the times that they have to give them all my logs had to
• 1:07:21
  had to jive all the all the programs, the clients, the
• 1:07:24
  people that we took care of, we call them clients were on, you
• 1:07:27
  know, programs. And it's going to sound weird,
• 1:07:30
  but it's like a boy, like one of our guys repeated himself, like
• 1:07:33
  he just repeated himself, you know, like non-stop.
• 1:07:35
  So one of his programs was he he would only repeat himself up to
• 1:07:38
  three times, you know, a day. So if during the day, if if he
• 1:07:43
  only did it three times and he would get a check mark that he
• 1:07:45
  accomplished that. If if he repeat himself like 20
• 1:07:48
  times having a bad day, he'd get a 0.
• 1:07:50
  So. But all that stuff had to jive,
• 1:07:51
  OK. Oh, that's great.
• 1:07:54
  Yeah, and just, you know, I, I loved him.
• 1:07:56
  I, there's, there's this four, this group of four that I
• 1:07:58
  started with and just like legit just the, the greatest 4 humans
• 1:08:03
  that I've ever been around my entire life were those four
• 1:08:05
  guys, Which is why I smile when I talk about it because it
• 1:08:09
  really, it was, it was fantastic.
• 1:08:10
  Even though they were, you know, they weren't there.
• 1:08:13
  They were, they were our age, but mentally, you know, seven
• 1:08:16
  years old. But it's just, you know, it was
• 1:08:18
  just, it was cool. It was a great place to be.
• 1:08:20
  That's all my life. So they just did that for him at
• 1:08:27
  because he took that person's spot.
• 1:08:28
  So he just had it and he got like a 95.
• 1:08:31
  So he killed it. So it's it's, I mean, that's
• 1:08:34
  pretty cool that now he's he's he's being, you know, moved.
• 1:08:38
  They can just ask where to. He didn't say.
• 1:08:41
  I asked the same question. Awaiting a response.
• 1:08:45
  Probably thinking the same thing I thought when you said that.
• 1:08:47
  Hopefully back to Arizona. No, it'll no, he'll he he
• 1:08:50
  doesn't want to come to Yuma. Yuma sucks, man.
• 1:08:53
  It's he's he's in Pendleton. It's going to be somewhere
• 1:08:55
  there. It's going to probably Pendleton
• 1:08:56
  or MCRD. I'm assuming it's going to be
• 1:08:58
  Pendleton. He's trying to get back to DI
• 1:09:00
  school, which if he does, which he feels like he'll have no
• 1:09:03
  problem doing, that'll be October of this year for that
• 1:09:08
  first cycle and then do that and then, you know, all of a sudden
• 1:09:11
  he'll turn into a lifer. If if that happens.
• 1:09:14
  I found so I was I was cleaning out the the one of the barns,
• 1:09:17
  right, and I found five totes. One of the totes was filled with
• 1:09:22
  song lyrics like what the fuck? A tote.
• 1:09:26
  I'm talking a. Tote a whole.
• 1:09:28
  Tote a whole tote like a file folder.
• 1:09:31
  I took the file folder out of the file Cam and put them in the
• 1:09:33
  tote so it's all alphabetically organized.
• 1:09:35
  I don't have it with me, but then I found this.
• 1:09:41
  I'm burning with anticipation. Which was kind of funny.
• 1:09:44
  So that's my wife as a baby 3 1/2 years old.
• 1:09:52
  Good thing she doesn't watch this because she would be
• 1:09:53
  pissed. I have many similar photos, so
• 1:09:57
  trust me when I sympathize. Oh, look at that full that's.
• 1:10:02
  A That's a young Chris Dunham right there.
• 1:10:04
  Oh yeah, I see. I have no.
• 1:10:05
  Idea when this? I have no idea when this was
• 1:10:07
  because there's no date on it, no date at all.
• 1:10:11
  But yeah, somewhere there's old like.
• 1:10:13
  Somewhere there's a picture of me with ET glasses buddy So.
• 1:10:18
  This this was kind of cool, though.
• 1:10:19
  I found this. I found this.
• 1:10:22
  This is probably from the very first come bite the apple thing
• 1:10:26
  I ever got from other love bone. That's awesome.
• 1:10:29
  Yeah, fish islands. But this this is what I thought
• 1:10:31
  was cool. This is what I wanted to grab.
• 1:10:32
  This is this is going to it's going to blow your mind.
• 1:10:36
  It's a newspaper. I don't know why I had the
• 1:10:39
  newspaper because I scoured all the it's a sports bub.
• 1:10:41
  I scoured all the things I find out.
• 1:10:44
  Why did I say this? Because back in the day in
• 1:10:47
  Arizona, this is 83. So I was 13 years old.
• 1:10:49
  They used to have when you played summer ball, which is
• 1:10:53
  Parson rec, they would come out and they'd do do the sports
• 1:10:57
  writers for Tribune and Republic would watch the games.
• 1:11:00
  And then they did mention they just.
• 1:11:01
  Yeah, Sue the stats. Oh, Chris, Adam had, you know,
• 1:11:03
  went for. 4 for four with. You know.
• 1:11:06
  My mom. 'S yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:09
  This is, this is what I thought was cool.
• 1:11:12
  OK. Friday and Saturday only.
• 1:11:14
  OK, look at the price of the car, brand new car. 15-8 You
• 1:11:22
  know a cougar. Yeah a 1983 brand new 1983
• 1:11:26
  Lincoln Town Car for $15,888 new.
• 1:11:30
  I want a new look Cougar for 199 per month.
• 1:11:34
  OK, that's I was going to say I want you to hold that up again
• 1:11:37
  because here's why. Because even though the price of
• 1:11:41
  a new car now is on average, well, on average it's over
• 1:11:47
  30,000. I think it's over 32,000.
• 1:11:49
  Dollars, Yeah, Yeah. They can still get you that same
• 1:11:52
  $199.84 payment, ladies and gentlemen.
• 1:11:56
  Yes they can. It's just for eight years now
• 1:11:59
  instead of three. Right, right.
• 1:12:02
  But I thought that was cool when I because I was I'm like, why
• 1:12:04
  did I save this? Why did I save this?
• 1:12:06
  And then the the front page had a bunch of Harleys.
• 1:12:10
  How much are those? It doesn't give me the price, it
• 1:12:12
  just says. Monthly.
• 1:12:14
  Yes, yeah, 12.9% finance rate. You're high, your rebates are,
• 1:12:20
  your rebates are between 2:00 and 3:00.
• 1:12:21
  Well, motorcycles rebate interest rates are always high
• 1:12:24
  because they're there's a death trap.
• 1:12:27
  Like the odds of you living, the odds of you having this thing in
• 1:12:30
  in 10 years to resell it is slim to none.
• 1:12:32
  OK. Then flip that over, does it say
• 1:12:34
  the interest rate on that $199 a month payment?
• 1:12:37
  Yeah, let. Me check, let me check.
• 1:12:39
  Because interest rates back then for houses were really high in
• 1:12:42
  1983, right? Yeah, yeah, they were over 10
• 1:12:46
  percent, 90. 424 months or 201212.2513.2 five 13.25%
• 1:12:57
  interest rate for the 19913.25. That's high, man.
• 1:13:01
  There's the ghost, right? So for people out there that are
• 1:13:04
  crying that it's 8% or whatever it is right now.
• 1:13:07
  Shut the front door and look how and look how nice that is from
• 1:13:11
  1983. That's a 1983 news because
• 1:13:14
  you've. Kept it out of the light.
• 1:13:16
  Right, right. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:19
  Light and humidity are ink and paper's worst enemy.
• 1:13:24
  So you're in Arizona and you've kept it in a tote.
• 1:13:28
  You're good. I've kept it in a tote in a
• 1:13:30
  barn. A tote in a barn down by the
• 1:13:32
  river. Yeah.
• 1:13:35
  So that was that was kind of that was kind of cool, though,
• 1:13:37
  because when I pulled out the I wasn't, I opened the lid.
• 1:13:40
  I'm like, holy shit. These are all lyrics.
• 1:13:41
  And then I found this zip lock bag of the of the photos, you
• 1:13:46
  know, and then the fun, you know, the fun classic baseball.
• 1:13:50
  Remember those? Oh yeah, I got my mom's got all
• 1:13:53
  those too. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:13:55
  That's crazy. They did that nationwide, right?
• 1:13:57
  Everybody thought that that was unique to where they were at.
• 1:14:00
  You got the exact same photo I do.
• 1:14:03
  Yeah, yeah, this was a cool one. That's my brother and I and my
• 1:14:06
  grandmother, who was just the bomb diggity.
• 1:14:09
  Oh, that's awesome, man. Yeah.
• 1:14:11
  Yeah. Where did did she live in
• 1:14:14
  Illinois? Yeah, she did.
• 1:14:15
  She live in Pleasant Plains. Pleasant Plains, IL.
• 1:14:17
  She would come visit. Yeah.
• 1:14:21
  So that was that was it. I'm not going to sit and go with
• 1:14:23
  him, you know, But, yeah, lots of baseball, a lot of baseball
• 1:14:27
  frames, you know, and the pictures of my wife, another one
• 1:14:32
  she'll hate. That's her in the sky when sky
• 1:14:34
  was a baby. Don't ever show that again.
• 1:14:36
  She'll say, hey, you know, you know, the little little girl,
• 1:14:46
  little Nikki. 1977. I'll give it to 1977.
• 1:14:51
  I'll say one thing. I hate having my picture taken.
• 1:14:53
  Anybody that knows me knows that.
• 1:14:55
  Yeah, but just to prove that I'm an enigma in every part of my
• 1:14:58
  life. Yeah.
• 1:15:00
  I've never heard anybody say I'm sorry I have that photo.
• 1:15:03
  I've only ever heard people laugh at themselves in jest.
• 1:15:07
  And like you said, I hate that photo or whatever, but I've
• 1:15:10
  never heard anybody say I'm sorry I took that photo, you
• 1:15:13
  know? Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's
• 1:15:15
  that's the thing. Like Scott was over last night.
• 1:15:16
  She brings, she brings Anthony's stuff over.
• 1:15:19
  Chip comes over to visit and I, I we're talking about photos or
• 1:15:23
  something. And oh, we're talking about
• 1:15:26
  eyelashes and how she's, she likes eyelashes.
• 1:15:28
  And I made a comment. I said, yeah, because no guy
• 1:15:32
  ever said, oh, I want a girl with eyelashes, you know, And
• 1:15:37
  her husband June says, yeah, it, it, it, it makes you look, I'm
• 1:15:42
  back. And I was like, yes, guy, there
• 1:15:43
  are some pictures you had, you know, I don't take shelf, as I
• 1:15:46
  said, not anymore. But you did.
• 1:15:47
  And it's because I have them all.
• 1:15:50
  There are some of the selfies you took with those eyelashes
• 1:15:52
  and make them on. You look like a cholo.
• 1:15:53
  You look like, you know, it like straight up not.
• 1:15:56
  And she's beautiful. She can't she beautiful.
• 1:15:59
  But some of the stuff it's just like, OK, home girl, what's up?
• 1:16:05
  What's that you know? Well, it's like Dave Chappelle
• 1:16:07
  said in one of his comedy skits. I'm sorry I said that, but some
• 1:16:11
  stereotypes are legit man. Yeah, that's true, you know,
• 1:16:15
  Yeah, Yeah. Like we're not being mean.
• 1:16:18
  We're saying, hey, you, you guys apparently like looking like
• 1:16:21
  that because that's how people describe you.
• 1:16:24
  Yeah, yeah. Nikki's nervous because she's
• 1:16:28
  afraid he doesn't get someone else.
• 1:16:29
  I'm like, I'm assuming California because why would
• 1:16:31
  you, you know? But we'll find out.
• 1:16:33
  So let's go back to football, how we started it.
• 1:16:36
  Yeah, let's, let's go back to football because it's
• 1:16:38
  interesting. Then we'll wrap this puppy up.
• 1:16:39
  So. So Harbaugh is now the Giants
• 1:16:43
  coach once again. I'm I'm on the fence about it,
• 1:16:46
  But the more I learn about him and the more I learn, the more I
• 1:16:48
  read about it, it seems like a good fit.
• 1:16:50
  There's a guy named, we call him the license plate guy from New
• 1:16:52
  York Giants. You've probably seen him at a
• 1:16:54
  game as he's used to wear the license plates around his neck
• 1:16:57
  and they were OK. He's like super involved in
• 1:17:01
  Giants. I don't know what he does for a
• 1:17:02
  living, but he's like super involved in Giants to the fact
• 1:17:05
  that he's sidelines everything he like he'd you know, so he's
• 1:17:10
  championing the cost. I'm like, all right, he knows
• 1:17:11
  what he's talking about. You still have 8 vacancies in
• 1:17:15
  the NFL coaching carousel and nobody's being interviewed until
• 1:17:18
  after the playoffs. Which poses the question, how
• 1:17:22
  did Harbaugh get an interview before the playoffs ended?
• 1:17:26
  Because you're supposed to have that fairness act, right?
• 1:17:28
  That they have. And he get the dude got $20
• 1:17:32
  million a year, five years, $100 million contract.
• 1:17:35
  I don't know if there's actually a written rule that says you can
• 1:17:40
  and can't do certain things. I thought it was a Rooney Rule.
• 1:17:43
  I thought this. Or was that just minority?
• 1:17:45
  Maybe that was just a minority aspect.
• 1:17:47
  I. Have to go with, I don't know.
• 1:17:48
  I'm sure that OK, I'm sure that it must be an unwritten rule,
• 1:17:52
  otherwise the Giants wouldn't have been.
• 1:17:54
  They're not going to do something illegal or under the
• 1:17:56
  table that blatant, right? This is true, yeah.
• 1:18:00
  Yeah. I just don't know enough about,
• 1:18:03
  you know, like you said, what the rules.
• 1:18:05
  I think it's more of an etiquette was the word I'm
• 1:18:08
  looking for. I think it's an etiquette thing,
• 1:18:09
  more of that rule, you know? Yeah.
• 1:18:13
  And in his case, he wasn't in the playoffs, The Giants
• 1:18:16
  weren't. There was no post season
• 1:18:18
  implications for no talking, you know right?
• 1:18:21
  No, but yeah, he just got fired last week.
• 1:18:24
  Just, you know, and. Now, so that tells me nobody
• 1:18:26
  wants MM McDaniel quite yet, right?
• 1:18:29
  Mike no, Jake said. MM Mcgahn is going to the bear
• 1:18:32
  to the Lions. Oh, he is.
• 1:18:34
  Yes, I ask because because I thought Mike.
• 1:18:36
  Mcgahn was an OCC. Uh huh.
• 1:18:39
  Well, then there's. Rumour then there's rumours now
• 1:18:41
  that day balls going to day balls going to Washington to be
• 1:18:44
  the OC like that's cool because that means I'll suck because he
• 1:18:48
  was the OC called the you know, I mean, it is what it is like
• 1:18:51
  you're quarterbacks coach Dabel. Just go back to what you know,
• 1:18:53
  man. But yeah, McDaniels, Jake said
• 1:18:58
  was going to Detroit. That's the rumor, which I could
• 1:19:02
  say I, I think if you're a head coach and you get fired and
• 1:19:06
  Harbaugh's going to be that exception, you don't go be
• 1:19:08
  another head coach. I, I get the reason why.
• 1:19:10
  What's funny to me, and I, I thought about this last night
• 1:19:14
  before 3 weeks before this, you know, the end of the season, it
• 1:19:18
  was Gruden, Gruden, Gruden. Where's Gruden going to go?
• 1:19:20
  Where's Gruden going to land? Nobody's talking about Gruden
• 1:19:22
  again. Nobody.
• 1:19:24
  No. Nobody, which is crazy.
• 1:19:27
  There's a little rumor about him going to Tampa, but that was it.
• 1:19:30
  It was just a rumor. And then nobody's talking about
• 1:19:32
  Gruden. Well then that means one of two
• 1:19:35
  things. Either his mind's already
• 1:19:37
  made-up and he knows where he's going, or there's no interest,
• 1:19:41
  right? True.
• 1:19:43
  I would say it's probably the former he prior and that's where
• 1:19:46
  he's going. Yeah, and Kingsbury left
• 1:19:48
  Washington out of nowhere and he wasn't in the coaching, head
• 1:19:54
  coaching conversation at all either, which it's where I don't
• 1:19:57
  know why he left, but that's kind of weird, I thought.
• 1:20:00
  Well, it might be my own ignorance again, but Washington
• 1:20:03
  was a fall from grace from one season to the next.
• 1:20:05
  They were part of and Jake, because Jake and I talked about
• 1:20:08
  that two-part of this because they had such horrific injuries
• 1:20:10
  in the quarterback three separate times and you know, and
• 1:20:13
  that but that's football, man. Like you can't.
• 1:20:15
  And that goes back to which you and I have talked about, which I
• 1:20:18
  still fully believe. You don't have the intense
• 1:20:20
  practice 2A days anymore. You don't have the full pad
• 1:20:23
  practices 2A days anymore. Your body's not getting hit like
• 1:20:26
  it was 10 years ago, which is why you have so many injuries
• 1:20:29
  now at the beginning of the season and in the middle of the
• 1:20:32
  season because your bodies aren't conditioned to get
• 1:20:34
  drilled like they were years ago.
• 1:20:36
  It's somebody I was debating somebody, a friend of mine, Ed
• 1:20:39
  Glancy, on the giant post about getting Harbaugh.
• 1:20:43
  And if somebody in common, well, maybe Jackson Dart will find his
• 1:20:45
  way like Jackson Dart has this. I saw Jackson.
• 1:20:48
  I agree with what you said too. Yeah, Jackson Dart, that's how
• 1:20:51
  he plays football. Like shut up.
• 1:20:53
  Like you play football because if I was a violent sport, you
• 1:20:56
  don't play football to go out there and you know as soon as
• 1:21:01
  you see you're going to get hit, you slide.
• 1:21:02
  Well, here would be a silly analogy, but it's an accurate
• 1:21:05
  one. OK, we didn't practice with
• 1:21:07
  acoustic instruments and then take our electric instruments
• 1:21:10
  with a gig and rock out, right? Right.
• 1:21:13
  Yeah, because it sounds totally different and the vibe is really
• 1:21:16
  different and the energy is different and that's.
• 1:21:18
  Actually, it's not a silly analogy, it's very accurate.
• 1:21:20
  Really good analogy. Yeah, 'cause you wouldn't.
• 1:21:22
  Practice soft all summer and then no September whatever 27th
• 1:21:27
  or whenever the first game of the season is right.
• 1:21:30
  Then go out there and go balls to the wall and run right 1820
• 1:21:33
  miles an hour at each other at full clip.
• 1:21:36
  I don't think you're so far from the truth, man.
• 1:21:38
  No. As far as dramatically, no.
• 1:21:41
  I think it's dramatically affected the game the way that
• 1:21:43
  they practice now. Collective bargain agreement has
• 1:21:46
  destroyed football the way it was played and meant to be
• 1:21:50
  played. And if you talk to all the old
• 1:21:52
  school players that still have all their faculties, because
• 1:21:56
  really it's it's if you look at all the people they played
• 1:21:59
  football from the dawn of time to when they started, you know,
• 1:22:04
  wussing it out, what in the 80s is when they started doing all
• 1:22:07
  that stuff. Players strike the 80s,
• 1:22:09
  nineties. Yeah, towards the, yeah, towards
• 1:22:13
  the latter half of the 80s I think is when the unions, the
• 1:22:15
  collective bargaining players union came about.
• 1:22:19
  Right. But it really didn't start
• 1:22:22
  dumbing down the physical aspect of it probably until the last 10
• 1:22:25
  years. I think is when you they came up
• 1:22:26
  with all you can't have two a days, you can't have full pad
• 1:22:28
  practices. But in the beginning you have to
• 1:22:31
  remember that it was the opposite, where if you didn't
• 1:22:36
  play, you didn't get paid. So.
• 1:22:39
  Right. There were two.
• 1:22:40
  There were two schools of thought.
• 1:22:42
  There were owners who would dope guys up just because they wanted
• 1:22:46
  the revenue to keep coming in, in that they didn't want the
• 1:22:49
  stands empty. Or there was the players
• 1:22:52
  motivation, like Jim Harbaugh said on the dark side of
• 1:22:54
  football where you just bought a summer home and you got to now
• 1:23:00
  you have two mortgage payments and if you don't go out there
• 1:23:02
  and play football, I don't care if you got a broken fucking leg.
• 1:23:05
  Let's, you know, brace it up, let's shoot you full of
• 1:23:08
  whatever, he said. It was like a pharmacy in those
• 1:23:11
  locker rooms. Back.
• 1:23:12
  Oh yeah. Oh yeah, I'm sure still is.
• 1:23:15
  You just can't see it. I don't know.
• 1:23:18
  I don't think so. I really don't because I think
• 1:23:21
  there's too much oversight. And to your point, we have gone
• 1:23:24
  all the way in the other direction.
• 1:23:26
  You know, I'm intimately involved in a union.
• 1:23:30
  There's just like anything in life, man.
• 1:23:33
  I always say everything's perspective, right?
• 1:23:35
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:23:35
  The people who say that it's 100% a good thing to have a
• 1:23:41
  union, they're wrong. And the people who say we would
• 1:23:44
  be better off without one, you're also wrong, right?
• 1:23:47
  The truth is always somewhere in the middle.
• 1:23:50
  And I'm glad we actually went down this road again because I
• 1:23:53
  remember talking about this with you the first time.
• 1:23:57
  And now that we talked it out again, that's exactly what
• 1:24:00
  happened, man. Football was a, it became a
• 1:24:02
  dangerous operation in that you weren't going to get paid if you
• 1:24:05
  didn't play. And these people, you know, that
• 1:24:09
  was their job, so they didn't have any income.
• 1:24:11
  OK. We have to form some kind of
• 1:24:14
  work together against the owners, which would be a union,
• 1:24:17
  to make sure that our rights are protected in that if we don't
• 1:24:20
  play, we get paid. You know, if I get hurt at work,
• 1:24:24
  I get paid, right? The company doesn't just say,
• 1:24:27
  oh, fuck you, Mike, you know you're out the door.
• 1:24:30
  Right. Well that goes back to the
• 1:24:31
  guaranteed money when in contracts, right like you're,
• 1:24:34
  you have guaranteed money now regardless of the contract you
• 1:24:37
  sign. So because you have guaranteed
• 1:24:39
  money, I don't think it then should be like, well, I can't
• 1:24:42
  get hit now until the the week one of the OR the the first
• 1:24:46
  preseason game I play. Agreed.
• 1:24:47
  And you know, that's the negative side of protecting
• 1:24:50
  people too much right now. We've what do they say?
• 1:24:53
  We've nerfed the world, right? Yeah, totally, totally.
• 1:24:56
  It's it's, yeah, it used to be the not for long league.
• 1:25:00
  Now it's the National. What is National Entertainment
• 1:25:02
  League? What do you call it?
• 1:25:04
  Remember these people just caught the not for long leg
• 1:25:07
  because you you five years was the average lifespan of an NFL
• 1:25:10
  athlete. What the hell was the new act?
• 1:25:13
  We just said it not too many shows ago.
• 1:25:15
  I can't remember now. Something about entertainment.
• 1:25:18
  Something about what isn't it? They filed something.
• 1:25:22
  I remember you telling me about it.
• 1:25:23
  They filed. They filed A trademark or
• 1:25:25
  something. It had to do with entertainment.
• 1:25:26
  Now not not. Oh yeah, They filed a suit in
• 1:25:31
  federal court to say that it wasn't a sport, it was an
• 1:25:36
  entertainment league, Yes. Yes, there you go.
• 1:25:38
  Yeah, there you go. Yeah.
• 1:25:40
  It's still obviously the National Football League, but if
• 1:25:43
  it's defined, it's defined as entertainment, not a sport.
• 1:25:47
  Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:25:51
  Which lends itself more to the WWE.
• 1:25:55
  Yes, because WWE was pure entertainment, you know, at
• 1:25:58
  least I mean, I mean, huh at. Least they were.
• 1:26:02
  Right. But, and, but, and, and the
• 1:26:04
  entertainment that wrestlers, professional wrestlers do,
• 1:26:06
  that's not easy entertainment. It's blocking acting when you're
• 1:26:11
  acting on stage, acting in ATV show, acting in a movie, there's
• 1:26:13
  blocking. If nobody's ever heard that
• 1:26:15
  you're blocking, every scene is blocked.
• 1:26:16
  Like, you know, the 2 1/2 minutes comes to mind, right?
• 1:26:19
  So you have the scene where Jon Cryer's in in the living room
• 1:26:22
  with, with, with their kid, with his son.
• 1:26:25
  And so they're, they're standing in certain ways.
• 1:26:26
  That's called blocking. And when when John Cryer moves
• 1:26:29
  across the room, he moves behind the kid because that's blocking.
• 1:26:32
  And then Charlie Sheen open his door.
• 1:26:33
  So then they pan the camera. Charlie Sheen goes behind the
• 1:26:35
  couch and ends up face to face with John Choir.
• 1:26:38
  Why? Angus, the kids over there, it's
• 1:26:39
  blocking. Wrestling is the same concept.
• 1:26:41
  You're blocking the moves. You're practicing the moves.
• 1:26:44
  I'm Hulk Hogan. You're about your man Randy
• 1:26:46
  Savage. We're going to fight.
• 1:26:47
  OK, I'm going to climb up on the, on the, on the rope.
• 1:26:50
  Somebody in the corner of the turnbuckle, I'm going to jump.
• 1:26:51
  You're going to catch me there and you're going to, you're
• 1:26:53
  going to throw me this way and my body's going to do the
• 1:26:55
  somersault roll. You're blocking all that shit.
• 1:26:57
  It's, it's, it's staged. It's acting football.
• 1:27:00
  You're not acting, man. It's full on, you know, 60 miles
• 1:27:03
  an hour. How do you feel?
• 1:27:04
  Right? That's what they're missing
• 1:27:06
  because they're not doing that in practice.
• 1:27:08
  That's why I think concussions have gone up because you're not
• 1:27:11
  getting hit, you're not getting used to getting hit again.
• 1:27:13
  You have, you have short time off, right?
• 1:27:16
  It's it's what would the season in the two weeks ago.
• 1:27:18
  So that was the end of December now, right?
• 1:27:21
  And then OTA start in March if I'm not mistaken?
• 1:27:25
  Yes. So you have three months?
• 1:27:28
  Yeah, basically. And if you make the playoffs,
• 1:27:30
  you have maybe a month and and three weeks because the Super
• 1:27:34
  Bowl now is in is in the first week of February.
• 1:27:38
  So if you make the Super Bowl, you have a month off, which is
• 1:27:43
  why it's so impressive. The Chiefs did what they did and
• 1:27:44
  the Patriots did what they did right.
• 1:27:46
  And when the Cowboys did what they did in the 90s, that's you,
• 1:27:49
  you don't have this big time off and you're back-to-back to
• 1:27:52
  back-to-back. So I just, I just, I think they
• 1:27:56
  need to be hit more frequently before the pre season starts to
• 1:28:00
  eliminate a lot of the the injuries that they have now.
• 1:28:03
  You know, because you're not pushing your body anymore like
• 1:28:06
  Nate was talking about, you don't push yourself enough to
• 1:28:09
  sustain the level of being pushed, right?
• 1:28:13
  Or have they created superhumans in that league, in that those
• 1:28:17
  people are just dangerous, you're going to get hurt no
• 1:28:20
  matter. Possible, right?
• 1:28:21
  Possible. Yeah, look.
• 1:28:22
  Look at a guy from 1983 on the offensive line and look at the
• 1:28:26
  guy from 2023 on the offensive line, right.
• 1:28:29
  Yeah, a lot more muscle mass now than fat.
• 1:28:32
  Well, we understand nutrition. We just had a guy tell us for an
• 1:28:36
  hour how much we understand nutrition to the point where we
• 1:28:39
  know exactly where your carbohydrates go when you do
• 1:28:43
  certain things, where your proteins go when you do certain
• 1:28:46
  things. We can control how your body's
• 1:28:48
  built. I didn't either.
• 1:28:50
  That was fascinating. Yeah, I'd like to have them come
• 1:28:52
  back and just talk about nutrition.
• 1:28:54
  Like solar. We're going to work in the
• 1:28:55
  sidetrack because we always do, but it'd be cool to talk about,
• 1:28:58
  OK, If you want to gain weight, this is the type of nutrition.
• 1:29:00
  If you want to lose weight, this is the type of nutrition.
• 1:29:02
  This is how you shoot it when you shoot the frequency of
• 1:29:03
  shooting, right? Because so many people have so
• 1:29:05
  many different ideas of when and how they should eat.
• 1:29:08
  I have a friend every two hours, she'll eat something every two
• 1:29:10
  hours, every two hours. You're right and.
• 1:29:14
  And I'm not. So is that good or bad, man?
• 1:29:15
  I don't know. Yeah.
• 1:29:17
  Yeah. Well, I don't think everybody
• 1:29:19
  body is different, right? Sure, absolutely.
• 1:29:22
  And it depends on what you're doing from a physical standpoint
• 1:29:25
  too. Because I've learned I forgot
• 1:29:28
  how hungry I was after doing Orangetheory Fitness as opposed
• 1:29:32
  to not doing Orange Theory fitness.
• 1:29:34
  Because I can burn 1000 calories in 53 minutes and then I still
• 1:29:39
  have the rest of my day and I'm I'm like I legit came home and
• 1:29:45
  had two hamburgers with cheese and and a cup of rice.
• 1:29:47
  That's what I ate post. Workout, you just proved my
• 1:29:49
  point. So if, let me see how I want to
• 1:29:54
  phrase this. If you're somebody who's lucky
• 1:29:56
  enough on the outside to be on the outside looking in and
• 1:29:59
  they're shadowing you somehow and they say, wow, Chris Dunham,
• 1:30:02
  he can eat 2 cheeseburgers and in a bowl of rice, he can do
• 1:30:05
  that every day and he never gains a pound, right?
• 1:30:07
  He just, he's a Adonis. How does he do it?
• 1:30:13
  They don't see that you're going to work out to the point where
• 1:30:16
  you're dripping sweat. You don't want to be talked to.
• 1:30:19
  You're just they're on a mission.
• 1:30:22
  To work, I eat. I'm there to kick my ass.
• 1:30:23
  If I eat 2 cheeseburgers after just working for 10 hours, and I
• 1:30:28
  do that every day in a bowl of rice, I'm going to start gaining
• 1:30:31
  belly fat all over the place because I'm not doing anything
• 1:30:35
  with all that protein, right? Right.
• 1:30:37
  That's why I'm saying everybody's nutrition, and I
• 1:30:40
  wanted Nate to get to that, and he did.
• 1:30:42
  Everybody's nutrition is different, right?
• 1:30:45
  Yeah. It's based on what you're doing
• 1:30:47
  and how you're living your life. You said it earlier, if you're
• 1:30:49
  sitting on the couch every day, you're going to gain weight for
• 1:30:53
  sure, especially if you're eating, you know, Hostess apple
• 1:30:56
  pies and bread and. Right.
• 1:30:59
  And just to clarify, I didn't have McDonald's cheeseburgers.
• 1:31:02
  I had two smash burgers that we made last night on the
• 1:31:04
  Blackstone. I made extra.
• 1:31:05
  So when I came home today, basically those, those two beef
• 1:31:09
  patties that were smashed, I threw cheese on it and a cup of
• 1:31:11
  rice and naked it. So it wasn't like I'm Sonic.
• 1:31:16
  Super Sonic Cheeseburger, Sonic satisfied Route 45.
• 1:31:21
  That's kind of, that's what I used to order at Sonic years and
• 1:31:23
  years and years ago. That was my thing.
• 1:31:25
  Super Sonic Cheeseburger with Mayo Sonic size frying around 44
• 1:31:29
  Ice T. You guys have had an out in
• 1:31:31
  Arizona, right? We do, and I've only been there
• 1:31:34
  a handful of times with Jake. I don't remember Don Warnock,
• 1:31:37
  Our buddy Don, he's always wanted me to send him In and Out
• 1:31:39
  Burger. Like got to send me an Out
• 1:31:41
  Burger brother. I'm like, I don't know how.
• 1:31:42
  So that's why I got him. I can't see Chiefs banner that I
• 1:31:45
  found. It was a marketplace one day and
• 1:31:47
  I was like, Don would love that. And I messaged the chick.
• 1:31:49
  I'm like, hey, is this available?
• 1:31:50
  She's like, yeah, I said you want this for She's like, yeah,
• 1:31:52
  I said, all right, cool, I'm there.
• 1:31:55
  And then like the next time we picked it up and and shipped it
• 1:31:57
  to him, I was like, what's your address, Don?
• 1:31:59
  He's like, why? I said I'm I'm going to send you
• 1:32:00
  something and I'm showing his head was like, oh, I'm getting.
• 1:32:03
  Burgers in and out burgers. Right.
• 1:32:04
  And then he gets he's like. And then he was blown away by
• 1:32:07
  what he got because it was the coolest thing to him ever.
• 1:32:10
  Because here's this random thing I saw that I knew he would love,
• 1:32:14
  and it's like, there you go. It was.
• 1:32:18
  Awesome. OK, somebody asked me if they
• 1:32:24
  can show on my listings. Like which one?
• 1:32:27
  I have many, I have many. Can I show one of your listings
• 1:32:30
  at 1:15 today? Which I don't.
• 1:32:32
  I don't just lead. With the address lead with the
• 1:32:34
  address. Hi Chris, can I show your Oh,
• 1:32:37
  oh, I think Oh, I think. Did you mean to say via day?
• 1:32:46
  I'd have to respond back and say I try not to have all my eggs in
• 1:32:48
  one basket, so define which. Well, her thing says can I show
• 1:32:52
  you via day? I'm like via day.
• 1:32:55
  Oh, I got you. Sure.
• 1:32:57
  Let me tell the owners. Let me tell the owners.
• 1:33:02
  Yeah, Verizon went down yesterday, which I had no
• 1:33:05
  Monday. Monday went down and I'm like or
• 1:33:07
  Wednesday, Wednesday went down. I'm like, I have Verizon.
• 1:33:09
  I'm fine. So it didn't affect you at all?
• 1:33:12
  Not at all. Not at all.
• 1:33:14
  I saw a lot of bitching on Facebook about that.
• 1:33:17
  That's how I found out about Neanderthal posted that he that
• 1:33:20
  that that I'm not ignoring you. Verizon's down.
• 1:33:23
  And I was like, let me Verizon's down, man.
• 1:33:28
  So that makes me wonder if they got hacked.
• 1:33:29
  You know, they cover up a lot of that stuff.
• 1:33:32
  We're having networking issues. I'm starting to think most of
• 1:33:36
  the time these companies are getting hacked.
• 1:33:39
  I think so too. And I and I think part of it is.
• 1:33:42
  I think part of it is is. That's why I think our next wars
• 1:33:45
  are heading. It's going to be cyber.
• 1:33:47
  Yeah, which can be thank to 1,000,000%.
• 1:33:51
  Yeah, there's going to go because the chemical, chemical
• 1:33:53
  war was COVID. I think that was a chemical war
• 1:33:56
  that China won just to see if they could do it.
• 1:34:00
  Conspiracy theories chime in. You know, I, I mean, you think
• 1:34:05
  about it because we've always had the flu, right?
• 1:34:07
  But now all of a sudden the only people that die are the ones
• 1:34:09
  that go to the hospital and get stuck on a ventilator.
• 1:34:12
  Nobody else died from COVID unless you're in the hospital on
• 1:34:15
  a ventilator. I've, I've talked to people
• 1:34:17
  that, that had perfectly healthy humans in their life and they
• 1:34:19
  got COVID and the, the spouse has urged them to go to the
• 1:34:23
  hospital. They walk in the hospital
• 1:34:25
  ventilator. 3 days later, they're dead.
• 1:34:28
  That happened so much. During that time, it was the
• 1:34:31
  wrong way to treat the flu. So I really think that was
• 1:34:34
  something that was China won that that war.
• 1:34:38
  You know, love me or hate me, that's my my thought on that.
• 1:34:41
  No, I. I was telling the viewers.
• 1:34:44
  Oh, I would, I would tend to agree with that.
• 1:34:47
  And I would think right now if you're witnessing what's going
• 1:34:50
  on, we're chasing the Petro dollar.
• 1:34:52
  You know, we're trying to keep the dollar alive by maintaining
• 1:34:55
  our stranglehold on oil because we're broke.
• 1:34:59
  You know, I mean, right, you got to just RIP.
• 1:35:02
  You got to RIP the Band-Aid off. We're broke, ladies and
• 1:35:04
  gentlemen. And we're going off to
• 1:35:06
  Greenland. Greenland's a nice piece of the
• 1:35:07
  pile. It's a nice card.
• 1:35:10
  As Nikki says, Donald is is playing his own game of risk and
• 1:35:14
  he's he's got Venezuela now. He's going for Greenland and
• 1:35:18
  he's going to go for Australia next.
• 1:35:20
  You know real life Risk, right? How is she?
• 1:35:24
  Who the fuck? Who the fuck wants to go after
• 1:35:26
  Greenland? What has Greenland done to
• 1:35:28
  anybody? They're owned by Denmark.
• 1:35:30
  It's cold to sell. Nikki, I said.
• 1:35:32
  That's brilliant. He's.
• 1:35:33
  Playing real life. Doing a risk.
• 1:35:35
  Right. Because I mean really like, you
• 1:35:37
  know, of all the things. I looked at that scroll bar last
• 1:35:41
  night, dude, and it was if Mexico doesn't do this, we're
• 1:35:45
  going to do that. If Iran doesn't going to do
• 1:35:46
  this, we're going to do that. Oh, yeah.
• 1:35:48
  And by the way, we're going to take over Greenland.
• 1:35:50
  And I thought the same thing. I was like, whoa, whoa.
• 1:35:52
  You know, I can understand. Maybe Mexico owes us money or
• 1:35:55
  whatever. You could make arguments for the
• 1:35:57
  other two, right? I ran in Mexico.
• 1:35:59
  Maybe you could make arguments. I said the same thing.
• 1:36:02
  I'm like, whoa, pause, Greenland.
• 1:36:04
  Yeah, yeah. What did people fuck Greenland
• 1:36:06
  Do people? Forget Greenland's even there.
• 1:36:08
  Right, I didn't know Greenland. I was because I'm shitty
• 1:36:11
  geography. I thought Greenland was above
• 1:36:13
  us, not Canada. Eh, like I legit.
• 1:36:16
  And then when Pookie, my buddy, when my buddy Paul Pookie, he's
• 1:36:18
  like no, dude, Canada. Canada runs all the way from
• 1:36:21
  Seattle to New York, brother. I'm like, Yep, I like the Nikki.
• 1:36:24
  Really. Yeah, no shit.
• 1:36:25
  I need to look at a map again. I was, I didn't, I didn't.
• 1:36:28
  I didn't go to school a lot when I was young because of my asthma
• 1:36:30
  and illness. So I I missed some significant
• 1:36:32
  geography days apparently. It's the largest island in the
• 1:36:36
  world. And you know, I know that now,
• 1:36:40
  but Venezuela, I get why you had to go out to Venezuela.
• 1:36:43
  I get that because of the chaos and the tyranny and the
• 1:36:45
  dictatorship and the and the mass killings and all that kind.
• 1:36:47
  Of non. Can I present an argument to you
• 1:36:49
  please? I agree with you and my initial
• 1:36:52
  thought was exactly what you just said, that fire.
• 1:36:55
  Fire 100. Percent.
• 1:36:56
  So then I think that through to the bone, right?
• 1:36:59
  You do, you do. What if the Chinese showed up
• 1:37:03
  here tomorrow on the east and West Coast and said we don't
• 1:37:06
  write the way you're running a country?
• 1:37:09
  OK. So we're here to make sure that
• 1:37:10
  you run it the right way. What are we going to do?
• 1:37:14
  We're going to go to war. The only reason that Venezuela
• 1:37:17
  didn't do that is because they're in chaos.
• 1:37:20
  But what business is that of ours is my question right?
• 1:37:24
  If somebody showed up and told Chris Dunham, I don't like the
• 1:37:26
  way you're raising your kids, we're here from the state of
• 1:37:29
  Arizona to make sure that you do it the right way.
• 1:37:32
  They're not going to be. They're not malnourished.
• 1:37:35
  Right. Right.
• 1:37:35
  You have no choice in the matter.
• 1:37:37
  You have no choice in the matter because they have guns.
• 1:37:40
  Yeah, right. You're going to have to do what
• 1:37:42
  they say or they're going to take your kids away from you.
• 1:37:44
  Here's your list of rules. You either follow them or
• 1:37:46
  they're coming to the camp with me.
• 1:37:48
  That's my analogy is what if somebody showed up and told you
• 1:37:52
  you had to do XY and Z? How are you going to feel?
• 1:37:55
  Oh, we're Americans. We do what we want.
• 1:37:59
  That's the problem. That's a good point.
• 1:38:02
  You can do what you want inside this country.
• 1:38:05
  Right. But when we start going, I know
• 1:38:07
  that was a chaotic mess down there.
• 1:38:09
  That's a whole separate argument.
• 1:38:11
  My argument is, who are we to go there?
• 1:38:16
  RIP this guy away even though he's a self.
• 1:38:19
  That's their business. Right.
• 1:38:20
  He wasn't even elected. Agreed he was.
• 1:38:22
  He didn't. He didn't win.
• 1:38:24
  Here's a took office. For the people who are screaming
• 1:38:26
  at me right now, here's a real quick good analogy.
• 1:38:29
  We thought we were doing good when we cut the head off in
• 1:38:33
  Libya with Gaddafi and we created a fucking nightmare that
• 1:38:37
  we're still living today. That's a mess and always
• 1:38:40
  happened. Was that Was that Reagan?
• 1:38:42
  No, that would have been. Was it Carter?
• 1:38:45
  Jimmy Carter. No, this is way later.
• 1:38:48
  Like Hillary Clinton was involved in that operation.
• 1:38:51
  Oh, Obama. Obama, Mama.
• 1:38:53
  Yeah, I think it was Obama. OK.
• 1:38:57
  The cutting people's heads off in the street to this day in
• 1:38:59
  Libya. Yeah, well, and The funny thing
• 1:39:01
  too about Obama is Obama deported.
• 1:39:02
  We talked about this way before Trump was in office.
• 1:39:06
  Obama has deported more illegal aliens from this country than in
• 1:39:09
  their president combined. He's also killed more innocent
• 1:39:12
  people with drone strikes than any other president ever.
• 1:39:15
  Right. The biggest difference that that
• 1:39:17
  the argument I get with that, which is legitimate, Obama did
• 1:39:20
  it quietly. Trump's doing it through ice.
• 1:39:24
  Trump's loud, Obama was quiet. That's it's the, it's the, the,
• 1:39:29
  yeah, what it's, it's the method of which they chose to do so
• 1:39:32
  with it. And then you see these little
• 1:39:34
  things with, with even Clinton talking about illegal aliens
• 1:39:37
  need to be removed. So it's like we're not getting
• 1:39:40
  political boys and girls, because we're not.
• 1:39:42
  We all have Mike and I voted and we're big believers that as long
• 1:39:45
  as you vote, you're allowed to talk politics without choosing
• 1:39:48
  sides. And we're not choosing sides.
• 1:39:49
  I'm just bringing that up because ICE is a big topic now
• 1:39:52
  and every president before Trump has talked about illegal
• 1:39:57
  immigrants being every mom in this country and how they need
• 1:40:01
  to be removed. It's just, it's just the method,
• 1:40:03
  the methods of which they choose to remove them is different.
• 1:40:07
  Sure, Trump's, Trump's look at me, look at me, look at me.
• 1:40:09
  Trump's doing what I didn't think, what I hoped he wouldn't
• 1:40:11
  do. I hoped he would come in and
• 1:40:12
  restore his legacy and, and build a better country for the
• 1:40:17
  next president to come in and just pick up and go on.
• 1:40:20
  But his, his legacy. What do you love or hate him?
• 1:40:22
  You? It's not, it's not a legacy
• 1:40:25
  that's going to be looked at fondly.
• 1:40:27
  Unfortunately, I think the guy's off his fucking rocker at this
• 1:40:30
  point. I really do.
• 1:40:31
  I think, I don't think he's all there.
• 1:40:33
  They're they're all off the rocker.
• 1:40:35
  I think the power. Goes No.
• 1:40:36
  I mean, like Ronald Reagan off his rocker.
• 1:40:38
  I think you're going to find out if he lives long enough.
• 1:40:41
  I think you're going to find out that, like, you don't.
• 1:40:44
  He's always said outrageous shit, but now he's saying stupid
• 1:40:48
  shit. Right, Right.
• 1:40:49
  There's a difference. Yeah.
• 1:40:52
  I can the best. Howard Stern said outrageous
• 1:40:54
  shit for years. You can agree or disagree,
• 1:40:56
  right? He did.
• 1:40:57
  But he built himself into an empire because he was an
• 1:40:59
  intelligent man and he knew how to push.
• 1:41:01
  People's butts, the buttons right and.
• 1:41:03
  Trump knew how to do the same thing and now he's getting
• 1:41:06
  boring as fuck. Like you're just saying shit to
• 1:41:09
  get. Be relevant.
• 1:41:12
  You're not relevant enough. Thank you.
• 1:41:13
  The best thing that Trump said in the last probably four or
• 1:41:16
  five months, maybe not that long, last two weeks, is when
• 1:41:19
  John Harbaugh got fired, he tweeted that the Giants need to
• 1:41:22
  hire that man. And you know, because, you know,
• 1:41:29
  and obviously the Giants listened because they hired John
• 1:41:31
  Harbaugh and paying him $20 million a year for the next five
• 1:41:33
  years. Whoever said that he was the
• 1:41:36
  best candidate, I agree. I was hoping that you guys would
• 1:41:41
  get. After again after after because
• 1:41:45
  I don't follow the Ravens. So all I see in the Ravens as
• 1:41:47
  you have two time MVP Lamar Jackson and he one of the top
• 1:41:51
  ten ever running backs in Derrick Henry like I still to
• 1:41:54
  this day don't know why Tennessee let him go.
• 1:41:57
  They were stupid pay the man pay the man Derrick Henry has the
• 1:42:01
  longevity of running back is short.
• 1:42:02
  But when you have somebody like Derrick Henry, who has proven
• 1:42:05
  year after year after year after he's.
• 1:42:07
  Way more durable than a regular running back because he's £250.
• 1:42:11
  Right right now if Cam Scataboo can stop leading with his head,
• 1:42:16
  he's going to have a long career too.
• 1:42:17
  Because Cam Scatab was hard to bring down.
• 1:42:20
  I did see something about Cam his introduction to the NFL.
• 1:42:23
  He was against the the the Broncos and the he was signed
• 1:42:26
  with blocking and the defensive lineman knocked him on his ass.
• 1:42:30
  Like literally knocked him on his ass, like defensive lane was
• 1:42:33
  probably, you know, 64380 and put Cam on his ass.
• 1:42:37
  And and Cam pointed out that that was my welcome to the NFL
• 1:42:40
  moment. Like this guy knocked me on my
• 1:42:42
  ass. And he's like from that point
• 1:42:43
  on, I knew I had to come a little bit harder, a little bit
• 1:42:46
  faster, a little bit more aggressive, but he did.
• 1:42:49
  And he's, he's, had he not blown his, his, his, his ankle, his,
• 1:42:53
  whatever he did, he would have had a hell of a rookie year.
• 1:42:56
  Hell of a rookie year. I think the Giants were looking
• 1:42:58
  at what I'm looking at in that you have a long tenured Super
• 1:43:05
  Bowl winning coach. Yep.
• 1:43:08
  From a pedigreed family, just like the Mannings.
• 1:43:10
  True. You know, you're talking an
• 1:43:12
  entire decades, generations of football minds and that family
• 1:43:17
  that they have to draw from. And I just think he was the most
• 1:43:21
  experienced, mature. The Giants can't just hire
• 1:43:25
  anybody, right? It's New York.
• 1:43:26
  No, right. He's going to have to win at
• 1:43:28
  some point. Well, yeah, the other problem
• 1:43:33
  with the Giants is if you look at the coaches they've hired
• 1:43:35
  since Coughlin contradicts that statement, they hired just
• 1:43:38
  anyone. Well, the Bears did that for a
• 1:43:40
  long time, too, and he would think that the city of Chicago,
• 1:43:42
  as big as it is, would put a winning team on the field.
• 1:43:46
  See, that's the thing. The Bears, The Steelers, The
• 1:43:48
  Giants. Who else is the Packers?
• 1:43:53
  Those are like like the I don't think of any.
• 1:43:56
  I can't think of any other team. Maybe the Raiders.
• 1:43:58
  Those are like 5 coveted long standing religious football
• 1:44:04
  teams, right? Like you follow these teams with
• 1:44:06
  a religion like like you travel better than anybody.
• 1:44:09
  Oh, and they just sent me a picture.
• 1:44:10
  Let's see. Let's see what happened to his
• 1:44:12
  wife. Hopefully it's not.
• 1:44:14
  Bloody yeah. Hopefully it's not bloody.
• 1:44:17
  Oh shit. No.
• 1:44:17
  OK. Oh shit.
• 1:44:19
  Oh yeah. Wow.
• 1:44:20
  OK Oh, thank God, dude. Forget.
• 1:44:25
  Thank you for sharing. We we were worried about you.
• 1:44:28
  Oh, I'll send you the picture, Mike.
• 1:44:33
  Yeah, that's a that's a dinger. That's it's and it looks like 3
• 1:44:36
  cars involved in the intersection which you know
• 1:44:40
  somebody was out there people, not your fucking.
• 1:44:43
  Phone. Yeah, somebody was on their
• 1:44:45
  phone. Somebody was on their phone
• 1:44:47
  because I just sent it to you. Yeah, 1 Yeah, somebody was doing
• 1:44:54
  something stupid. And if you have a car like we do
• 1:44:56
  nowadays, there is no excuse for that because all you got to do
• 1:44:59
  is talk and it'll do whatever you want it to do.
• 1:45:01
  You don't have to look or touch it.
• 1:45:03
  You don't have to touch anything.
• 1:45:05
  No, Oh, yeah, Although I will, I will say they need to improve
• 1:45:09
  Siri because when you voice text with Siri and then when you get
• 1:45:13
  to a stop light or get your day station, look what Siri just
• 1:45:15
  sent. You're like, what the fuck?
• 1:45:17
  I didn't say any of that. I have to something like shit
• 1:45:20
  you not dude. Sometimes I have to for Siri to
• 1:45:22
  understand me. I got to do this.
• 1:45:23
  Hey Siri, text, text Mike Michaels.
• 1:45:26
  Hey Mike, I'm running late. I'll be on the show in about 10
• 1:45:28
  minutes. Jump on with dates and I'll be
• 1:45:30
  there shortly. It gets a spot on.
• 1:45:32
  But if I say hey Mike, it's Chris, I'm running a little bit
• 1:45:34
  late. Hop on the show with me.
• 1:45:36
  I should be on there about 10 after it'll come back something
• 1:45:39
  wack away. I'll read it like hey Mike, it's
• 1:45:41
  Chris. I'm wearing a dress.
• 1:45:42
  I can't find my slippers, but I should get there within 10
• 1:45:45
  minutes or so. What the fuck, Dave?
• 1:45:47
  Like it's ridiculous, it's ridiculous.
• 1:45:51
  All right, we're going to wrap this puppy up.
• 1:45:52
  Glad your wifes okay Nate. We'll have you back on as
• 1:45:54
  always. As always, appreciate you coming
• 1:45:56
  show. Anytime.
• 1:45:58
  Absolutely. Again, this is the Christian
• 1:45:59
  Mike show we are proudly brought to.
• 1:46:03
  Proudly brought to you. We actually are proudly bought
• 1:46:08
  to us. Because they right for this
• 1:46:10
  we're we're, we're we're we're proud to say a portion of our
• 1:46:13
  show is supported by and sponsored by Riverside FM
• 1:46:17
  podcast platform. If you've never podcasted with
• 1:46:21
  Riverside, check it out. It's pretty cool.
• 1:46:23
  It does all the kinds of stuff that that we love and and we've
• 1:46:27
  been doing it now for 100. This is 160 eighth show.
• 1:46:31
  Yeah, somewhere around there. Yeah, yeah, 168 shows so pretty
• 1:46:35
  legit. I use it for my personal stuff
• 1:46:37
  too, so check them out. Riverside.
• 1:46:39
  And hey, if you're feeling depressed, if you're feeling
• 1:46:41
  suicidal, if if you're just not having a good day, it happens to
• 1:46:44
  everybody. Go journal, go run, go for a
• 1:46:48
  walk, go work out. Call somebody to talk to.
• 1:46:52
  If you can't find somebody to talk to, text 988.
• 1:46:55
  Someone is there standing by to connect with you, to help you
• 1:46:58
  get out of that mindset and talk you off that Cliff or off that
• 1:47:00
  ledge. Tomorrow is always a better day
• 1:47:02
  with you in it. Mike and I have both been
• 1:47:04
  affected by suicides. It sucks.
• 1:47:06
  It leaves a hole in that person's heart.
• 1:47:08
  You don't think that people love you, they do.
• 1:47:10
  You don't think people care about you, they do.
• 1:47:11
  You don't think people will miss you, They will.
• 1:47:14
  Don't be that person. Tomorrow is always a better day,
• 1:47:17
  so it's even better when you wake up with us.
• 1:47:21
  That being said, this Christian Mike show, I'm Christie's Mike.
• 1:47:25
  Good, good, good. I'm glad everything's cool.
• 1:47:28
  Nate with the wife, nobody is hurt.
• 1:47:29
  That's that's that's a blessing because that would suck.
• 1:47:32
  I actually thought it was a joke.
• 1:47:33
  Not not not as a bad way, because Nate went down the path
• 1:47:36
  of of he was doing some stand up comedy.
• 1:47:38
  So I legit thought he was joking.
• 1:47:40
  So that's why I was like. He caught me off guard for a
• 1:47:42
  second too, and then I saw his eyes.
• 1:47:44
  Right, Well, that's me too then, because you know, he does.
• 1:47:47
  He was doing some stand up. So that's what I that's you
• 1:47:49
  know, because it was so abrupt. Like we're in the middle of a
• 1:47:51
  conversation. He looks down.
• 1:47:52
  He's like, I got to go. My wife was in a car accident
• 1:47:54
  and I was like. Well, the three of us have such
• 1:47:57
  chemistry, I could see how that could happen real quick.
• 1:47:59
  Right. Yeah, yeah, we're all fucking
• 1:48:01
  jokesters. So yeah, he got me for a second
• 1:48:04
  too. I'm.
• 1:48:04
  I'm super glad she's OK. Yeah.
• 1:48:06
  Yeah, absolutely. So until next time, thank you
• 1:48:09
  for listening, thank you for watching, thank you for tuning
• 1:48:12
  in as we can continue to grow our little crystal mic world.
• 1:48:15
  We're glad you're part of it and on the journey with us.
• 1:48:17
  Absolutely. See you.
• 1:48:18
  Love you brother. Love you too man, peace you get.
• 1:48:21
  The press, you get the press stop.
• 1:48:24
  We're clear,