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From Breakdown to Breakthrough: The Power of Hypnotherapy with Dr. Michael Glock |346 · Bomb Life

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey everyone, and welcome to the VAM Live podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am Melissa Vogel, your host.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And welcome to the show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you get the show?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Literally gave me like chills up and down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My legs and my arms three times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Almost cried three times, but I kept it together for the sake of the reporting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This episode's gonna touch you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have a guest on today that is brilliant.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Speaks truth and is literally,
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[SPEAKER_02]: get to make you question in a good way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything that you thought you knew about self, awareness, your identity, who you are, who you think you are, all of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think this is a really good time of year for this episode to come out because we get so wrapped up in so many other things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we do, we really do lose like the focus of self.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's tough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This time of year is really hard because it is a lot of giving of us, not just for women for men to and the go-go go and we lose that connection even more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We lose that awareness in the episode our guest had said, we have lost the ability to observe self and during this
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me introduce him and then we'll talk some other things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's Dr. Michael Glock, and he's a PhD, he's a philosopher, author, hypnotherapist, and he is the co-founder of Joy Mind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He has gone deep in psychology, and he trained at Pacific Graduate Institute, and he developed their hermenuic hypnosis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's an emerging framework, blending hypnosis, neuroscience,
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[SPEAKER_02]: This man is incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was such an honor to have him on the show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking all about, so what the real transformation looks like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you guys have heard me say before that real transformation,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the identity shift has to happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's true transformation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I brought this up in the episode about how many times I see people come and they just keep doing the physical work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just keep like, oh, I'm going to fit in this workout, you know, three or four times a week if we're lucky.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If I can even get that out of them sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, yeah, I need to track my macros and blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys, it is so much more than that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you are trying to become someone who actively cares about your health and fitness journey, someone who truly wants to show up and be that different person and really think and feel and embrace this journey on different levels, but you're just not there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, oh my god, I would love to be that person, but I'm just not there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is because you are missing that identity shift.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You are not working towards changing that identity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not our fault.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It truly isn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have to really create sustainable change and that comes along with changing behavior and mindset and thinking and actions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Dr. Michael brings this all together and he rewires the brain through hypnotherapy and everything, this conversation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is so good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope you all take a minute to just sit and soak in his wisdom and let it speak to you and see how you need to move forward.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this again, it just goes to show how we don't have to do these things alone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You do not have to figure out this journey and this roadmap and how am I going to move forward?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How am I going to do this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what does this look like?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you don't have to do these things alone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have people here to help you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you have people here that are going to care to take you on the right path to do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we talk about burnout, and we call them in the life crisis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the way Dr. Michael described it, and how we have the first active life, second active life, and third active life, and what that looks like, and why so many people burn out at 40, and what happens around that, and you're like mid-life,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God, that was definitely one of the spots where it just like hit me in what he was saying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you have to check out JoyMind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So go to joyMind.com forward slash bomb life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have a specific page just for us and our listeners.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And trust me, if you have any,
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[SPEAKER_02]: thoughts and feelings of like, you know what, I'm really, I really do want to start making transformation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe this is for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe this is the path that you start taking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the bomb life podcast today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have Dr. Michael Clark on welcome to the show Dr. Michael.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really happy to be here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm excited for this conversation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love hearing and learning about like hypnotherapy, changing and shifting identity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like how we really believe in
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[SPEAKER_02]: not what we constructed like it's comes from so much more and deeper like this is so right up my alley but you're you're incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean you're a philosopher and author and hypnot therapist you're the founder of Joy Mind which I can't wait to hear more about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean you you do it all and you're still in practice right you're still seeing clients and
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am still seeing clients every single day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm working on various projects, books, and I am peaking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm at the, like, totally at the peak of my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm 70 years old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And everything I have done,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now seems to be the precursor of what has happened now and I would be remiss if I didn't add in the fact that we are going through a major civilizational transition as we move with AI and generative AI and it seems like I was built in this work and what we're going to talk
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[SPEAKER_00]: civilizational transition that we are going through.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, like when you said that, I literally got goosebumps and chills up my arms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, let's have many more experiences like that over the next 30 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and it's so true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we just heard, I mean, have you heard all like the chatter and talk about how, you know, they're saying AI could take humanity out in the next four years or within the next decade.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, and this is something that I even talk about in my space with my clients because, you know, with the health and fitness, everyone's like, oh, I'll just have Claude tell me or I'll just talk it through which had GPT.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's scary because it's literally starting to think for us and tell us what to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like a simple, like even just a client that there day was like, I'll just have chat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You'd be to tell me what to eat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, whoa, how about you stop and you think about what you should eat, what you want, what are you feeling right now instead of having the artificial intelligence tell you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they were like, ooh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What you're pointing to is this idea that our sovereignty and our agency is being redeployed to another source to another being, and that is very dangerous because
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are numerous, oh no, I often use this metaphor as, you know, all of us have been flying for long time at the beginning of every flight there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The flight attendants talk about what could happen disaster relief at 40,000 feet and oxygen masks are going to descend from the cabin roof.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the first thing to do is put that mask on yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do not put it on your children.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do not put it on your significant other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But put that mask on yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like if we don't exist, it's like it's to hell in a hand basket.
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[SPEAKER_02]: right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I have to ask this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're totally going off like the direction I was going to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what makes podcast so amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I love taking this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you see this happening?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And doing to our kids that are growing up in this because a lot of our listeners are parents, either of young kids, middle school, and then even adult kids.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then constantly having this
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[SPEAKER_02]: object in their hand, swiping, getting their feelings, self-confidence, everything built from likes and being distracted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what is it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you feel like that is doing to our future?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, there's a part of me that feels deeply bleak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The inculturation, the control,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the gamification, the intensity of that distraction is so powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the reports, the statistics, the researchers becoming out America now as of three years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 15-year-olds can only function what 14-year-olds were able to function just three years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a, I've always loved that band divo when they put the flower pots on their heads and they talked about de-evolution, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is what is going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But without being bleak and putting on my PhD head and my deep love of psychoanalysis and analytical psychology and indigenous wisdom and the work that I'm doing here with joy mind and with people like you and is
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the darkest hour, we can find our way through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of the most extraordinary periods of human history because we once again get to...
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[SPEAKER_00]: real line ourselves and what is true and authentic and real and getting back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can already begin to feel that movement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a slow cooking movement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a retreat in the mountains where you put aside for one week all of your digital devices.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a revolutions across all sorts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where we are right now is civilisation is caught in a storm and many of us are abandoning ship and letting go and letting others decide for us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this conversation
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[SPEAKER_00]: this conversation working here with me, the way that I see it is that you've arrived here in this sacred space, this terminus, I got the candles lit and I found you and you've abandoned your own ship, you've abandoned the captain that you are and I have found you on a life raft
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[SPEAKER_00]: Towing your ship and bringing you to shore you've, you have put up a May day called you've shot a flare into the sky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have something has broken something has ruptured and now you're going to spend time here and we're going to repair your ship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to mend your sails.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to look at your masks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to figure out
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why did this happen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is, this is the oldest question that humanity, particularly in the Western world, it goes all the way back to Greece, on the above the columns at the temple of Delphi, there's words in Latin translated, it is no thy self.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the fundamental question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who are we, where are we going, what is going on?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And these containers is where we find those answers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the more that these containers exist, the more that you ask these questions, the more you're going to be observas to this great unfolding that is happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: right right well and you have said before like identity is constructed like it's not fixed and so much of like who we believe ourselves to be it was it was created from family and culture and experiences and everything tell me more about that because I don't
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure people even are aware of that let alone sit there and believe that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a lot of people that might say like, no, I am who I am.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have created my identity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, I have a pass, but that's not who I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, indeed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As I said, I'm 70 years old and I've spoken all across the world, I've just returned from the University College of London and speaking with my colleagues and peers that are all, you know, analytical psychologists and searches and looking at this revolution that's going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been working now for years on this idea of an identity architecture method.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I call it I'm I AM.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the idea is, Greece arguably is the beginning of Western civilization and we've inherited the justice system bureaucracy, the administrative state, our values, our morals, our
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were building Western civilization, but the people were becoming anxious and irritable on the weekends because they had nothing to do so they invented the theater.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when they invented the theater and invented entertainment, they invented the three act-play act-1 act-2 act-3.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been in New York, but I've not been to a Broadway play, but many people have and you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that at the end of that one there's a 20 minute in a mission that the end of act to there's a 20 minute in a mission.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all of my hypnotherapy to work and what we do in joint mind is based on 20 minute hypnotherapy in the interventions it's the interval between the sections of your life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the way that I see it is that everyone is living an act one
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[SPEAKER_00]: You were born zero at one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You were now halfway through your life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you are now entering the last half of your life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're going to
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[SPEAKER_00]: go back to star dust from which it came.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So about halfway through your life, you begin to look back at your life and wonder, is this right for me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What have I done?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where have I gone wrong?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How did I fall into all of this and about halfway through?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my specialty is people
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[SPEAKER_00]: halfway through their life when something has broken when something has ruptured.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, classically, it's called a midlife crisis, but the truth is you're going to have a midlife crisis at 10 at 50.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it just doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the idea that something has broken means that
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[SPEAKER_00]: something's not right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can sense it in your body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can feel it because you just spot fired or your entire industry just got wiped out by AI or the person that's significant to you that you've trusted beyond everybody else does something that completely breaks your trust or you know your your significant other wakes up one morning and says you know what it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: life implodes, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the way that I see it is that what a fantastic gift.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that means that there's something happening in the world that you are not conscious of, that you have lost your way, that you haven't seen this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a breakdown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a rupture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's an ordinary life and then you fall out of that ordinary life and if you're lucky you find your way to here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and in that descent, you work with
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[SPEAKER_00]: what has happened and you realize that the first half of your life has been relatively unconscious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All you have done is be born.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have mimicked your parents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They they've figured out who they think you should be because they want you to have a better life than they've had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they do their best to give you the values and morals and to be a good person with whatever
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[SPEAKER_00]: faith or religious tradition, so you mimic and you take that all on, maybe you rebel a little bit, but you go to school, you dress like everybody else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We do what we're told, oh, we pick up their accents, we believe what they believe, we become part of a tribe, you choose the tribe,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, whatever it'd be up for you, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you fall into a job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What am I going to do when it's like, you know, you, you find somebody you dig in, you think, well, you know, was family in the castle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to have to like hit the eight to nine or whatever it is and make it all work and it's grind and you've never done any of this before and you're pushing and
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then about halfway through your life, you realize that you actually haven't done anything that you really thought about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's nothing is so true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's so true yours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the way that I see it is that now,
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[SPEAKER_00]: in the kind of work that we do in the story that I just shed from zero to halfway through your life is also a great deal of shame and trauma because, you know, you fucked up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, essentially some terrible things have happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And often they are repeats of the terrible things that have happened to your mother and
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason why it happened to them is because those terrible things happened to their mothers and fathers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're now going back generations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's generational wounding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's generational wounding in all of the different cultures, in all of the different tribes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody's just desperately trying to hold it and hang together
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we're bombarded with the industrial military entertainment medical complex.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's just nothing but here, do this, do that, you'll feel better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like nobody's really dealing with anything of substance or value.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens?
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[SPEAKER_00]: is these are all early imprints.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I call them operating system 1.0.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So from zero to halfway through your life, you've picked up ways you've figured out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've now like been challenged, you managed to figure out a way through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now that becomes your operating principle, and you just unconsciously trotted out,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But halfway through your life, something begins to just not feel right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not really me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not who I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I did all of this, built a multi-million dollar company.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why fear second-third marriage kids from one mother?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the second half of life is all about making meaning from what was meaningless.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why like one of the, I was reading like through topic points and you talk about like how high performers, they burn out like around at 40.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this makes so much sense of like why that actually happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think a lot of people when they think about it, they think like, oh, well, that happens because you know, I've just been working all these years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now I'm just tired and they're not really looking at the background behind it and what led up to this point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, what can we do to break that cycle?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is this, well, this just always be this way for humans and that'll hit during the second half of life?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know that inside because now symptoms are beginning to show up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And your body, it's beginning to like shift symptoms in the relationships.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is that you can like the Western Apache talk about the cave of the bear and you enter the cave of the bear and it is a place of reflection, introspection and you look back over your life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You look back at the wounds, you look at the shame, you look at the journey that you've been on and you look at the solutions that you created and you realize that those solutions in most
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[SPEAKER_00]: were made by a much smaller brain in mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Women's minds develop a decade faster than men's mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a, you know, a man isn't like really together till early 30s, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in that, and this is it, their patterns are now constructed from zero to 30.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like they're set.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, crazy thinking got you to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now you think that our operating system is going to be appropriate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the work that we do here is we archive the old operating system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: We build a foundation in which we do over the eruptates using the technology of hypnosis to load an new operating system in all of the various modules to support, becoming the architect of the rest of your life rather than.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And let me just be really deep here for a moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The outcome of this work, like the end result of having gone through a healing journey, the way that I'm describing it, is that you end up being in the present moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: present.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are in the power of now, no longer infected by the shoulder water coulders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The, oh, my mom threw me out when I was six and I feel abandoned and, and...
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the cancer, that's the all of the old thinking from the past that's just swirling around, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You were never present.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot see the present moment cleanly with anyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're making love, when you're working out, when you're trying to figure some business solution out, when you want to do something amazing for your kids, it's like, you were not present, you were not
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[SPEAKER_00]: clean, you're completely infected by this incredible made-up store.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's the, you know, that's the hair, that's the magic of this work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so you're telling me like it is possible to have a clean slate and be present and not let that past impact you now and how you make decisions in the future and moving forward.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't think people think that that's possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, of course that's possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me look.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a hundred different metaphors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me just use one, okay, okay, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go back, let's go back to school when you're educated, remember the biology 101 and the teachers there and he or she says,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so today we're gonna talk about the life cycle of the caterpillar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay Caterpillar caterpillar's born has one instinct just to eat and eat and eat pretty much like you and me When we were born we just ate everything that our society Halfway theory of life you just can't eat anymore either you're like too fat Right, oh bodies just Like literally mentally psychically right you've had enough
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[SPEAKER_00]: You begin to weave yourself into a cocoon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You begin to die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know that you're not dying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's metamorphosis because inside the RNA and DNA of the caterpillar is a code that says, one day in the future, you're going to be a butterfly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this work that we do hit together, and I'm including you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're one of these pioneers sharing the truth that transformation and change is possible and that you can become the captain of your own ship and that you have agency and that you have authority.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you do this work, that is the healing journey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you're inside the Christmas weaving yourself, literally you are dying to your old beliefs, to your old structures, you are dying to the imprints that were delivered to you because of the trauma, the shocks, the horror.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, life, you know, the Buddhists,
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[SPEAKER_00]: have this wonderful philosophical concept of four noble truths and the first noble truth the Buddhism is that all of life is suffering.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is tough out there and we are all tremendously wounded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so this work is about saying, okay, let's look at that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to the root of where
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[SPEAKER_02]: right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why, you know, we were talking about this before we hit record about how like the real transformation is that whole identity shift.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, even just taking the example of the caterpillar in the butterfly, like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: that identity of like, oh, I'm a caterpillar into no now I'm a butterfly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It has to happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I see this all the time, Dr. Michael in with health and fitness and like people that want to lose, you know, 30, 40 pounds.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They they're like, I am just this blob.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm fat and I'm overweight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they want to become a smaller, more fit version of themselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And everyone in the outside, just they just get on a diet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They, or I just need to start working out more now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're taking the
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I'm getting the acronym right, but they're finding a way to just get smaller.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's no shift up here, and I'm like, you guys, you're changing the outside, but are you doing the mental work on the inside?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you literally have to have an identity shift of being like seeing yourself like, oh, I'm just fat too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm a fit person because I completely identify now as I am a fit healthy strong individual that I get up and I just I walk every day I I lift every single day like that is who I am now I've been always been that person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, beautiful, um, and in the work that we do here, we use a lot of metaphors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We use a lot of storytelling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love metaphors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People, what you've just shared is the journey, what happens is life as we just said, is it's tough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what happens is you begin to close the curtains.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You begin to not go out as much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You begin to protect yourself and become defensive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's when you start putting on the weight, that's when you stop engaging with the world because it's difficult, it's tough, it's dangerous, it's fight or flight, you just, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So metaphorically, this work, the beginning,
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[SPEAKER_00]: As let's open the curtains.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's open the windows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, looks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's look at the horizon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It winds blowing up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, fresh air blowing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we begin to shift and we change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We open the door.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just sit on the front porch and look out there for a moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing else to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
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[SPEAKER_00]: small steps and then what you do is you build the muscle just as you've done and and you affirm and you use your journal and you document the journey that you run your reserve yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have lost the ability to observe ourselves when you begin to observe yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can then see, oh, look at me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just completely got whacked out and I went back to operating system 1.0 and the old behavior I didn't even get up out of bed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, the following day, it's like, oh, I opened the curtains and suddenly you can begin to see the transformation in the
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, people it it's just crazy because people don't talk about this stuff and and we have lost that like you're talking about the loss of the ability to like observe self like that's awareness and we have lost that self awareness and I tell people like you can't change until you're even aware.
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[SPEAKER_02]: of what is going on and what you're doing and you're willing to see it and be open to it and they're not, they're just not observing themselves and then owning it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's when I see so many excuses.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The excuses just pile up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's because of this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's because of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Totally agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, just as a little time out here, can we do something quite different?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can I just change the energy for a moment and put a poem?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The reason why I want to read this poem, it's somebody I've spent some time with 40 years ago, David White.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's an Irish American, lives on the Pacific Northwest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And often I find poetry a magnificent way to support the conversation that we're just having.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Both here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very short.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Revelation must be terrible with no time left to say goodbye.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine that moment staring at the still waters with only the brief tremor of your body to say you are leaving everything and everyone you know behind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Being far from home is hard, but you know at least we are exiled together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you open your eyes to the world, you are on your own for the first time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No one is even interested in saving you now, and the world steps in to test the calm fluidity of your body from moment to moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As if it believed, you could join its vibrant dance of fire, calmness and final stillness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As if you were meant to be exactly where you are, as if like the dark branch of a desert river you could flow on without a speck of guilt and everything everywhere would still be just as it should be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as if your place in the world mattered and the world could neither speak nor hear the fullness of its own bitter and beautiful cry without the deep well of your body resonating in the echo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Knowing that it takes only that one terrible word to make the circle complete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Revelation must be terrible, knowing you can never hide your voice again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Revelation must be terrible, knowing you can never hide your voice again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and this, this is what we're speaking about, this is what you are offering to your listeners.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what we're talking about in that Act 1 Act 2 Act 3 beginning, middle and end, birth, death and rebirth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a fundamental rebirth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: from who you were, and who you constructed yourself to be into this new being.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, revelation must be terrible because you have a voice, there's something magnificent about you, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, you know, comparative religions of a PhD in philosophy, you know, I've to work with indigenous people, shamans, elders, Western Apache, bababa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the Judeo-Christian belief system, there's a phrase the kingdom is within, but it's never really been spoken about what that is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the horizontal nightlife and you dreaming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you're, there's a portal to the field out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Carl Jung talked about it as the collective unconscious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rupert Schildreck calls it morphogenetic fields.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, there's a, we truly, it's just extraordinary that we hear each one of us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, in the J.A.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Christian belief system,
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[SPEAKER_00]: where built in God's image.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like we have the universe and as each of us is so extraordinary, and once you wake up to that, once you realize that all of this is now in the past and yes,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can thank it, you can give thanks, you can reframe it, no longer has to define you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the operating shift, that is the new identity architecture.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is the work that you do with joy-mined.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it is the largest hypnotherapy platform in America, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: In Canada.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Canada.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you developed, is it her menuic?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the new deck hypnotherapy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, I destroyed that one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hominutic hypnotherapy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hominutics comes from a branch of philosophy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that early on, what Hermanutics did was, it interpreted sacred texts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It interpreted the Mahabharata, the Quran, and interpreted the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the interpretation of sacred texts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: OK. OK. What I have done is taken that whole branch of philosophy and what I am now suggesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see, look.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Civilization advances and develops and it creates new technologies like the agricultural revolution to the industrial revolution.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we take on the metaphors of whatever
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[SPEAKER_00]: happening in the large field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the human body and the medical world began to treat the body as if it was a machine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we have a heart that pumps, we have lungs that inhale and deflate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a machine of something's broken or we cut something out, we put something else and it's a machine metaphor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've taken that to just incredible limits and it's fantastic and I have deep respect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, we're moving into one new...
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[SPEAKER_00]: reality, a new phase of civilizations unfolding, and that is the neural field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is, we built the internet where, you know, tens of thousands of thousands of satellites circling the Earth communication, we built a web at Web as a metaphor for the web that's in here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this is going to connect to others.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I want to say is that Herman Nudix, I now treat human beings as sacred texts, and when you sit here with me, you're not a machine, you are not broken, you are not overweight, you are not anything, you're not riddled with cancer, yes, you are all of those things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't see it as a machine that's broken.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see it as a sacred text that has taken on all sorts of stuff in order to survive and get to the point where you are right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The work you do must just be absolutely incredible to witness and to see and taking people and like translating them for who they are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's pretty mind blowing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is, honestly, it's sacred work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it is powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most of my clients in the first session, they have a deeply cathartic experience, they have always many tears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there is a real difference that happens in the first session, usually we do six, 12 sessions and in that time,
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a marked difference between who you were when you arrived, like as I said, you know, most people come to me and I found them in a life right, you know, bobbing an ocean right and when they leave.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I put my shoulder, my hands, my metaphoric hands around their shoulders, and I walk back to the Marina, and I show them this incredible rebuild, exhibition, yacht, and their crew, solutes, and welcomes in the morn ball, and they take the helm, and they are now in charge of their life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when they see things that begin to break,
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[SPEAKER_00]: when they see things that go wrong, what they can now do is recognize that they have a choice, either I unconsciously carry on and fall down that hole again, or, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm on the captain, with the captain, do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, choice, you have choice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you work with people virtually or is this only something that you do like in person?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, I haven't seen anybody physically for real and about a decade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our entire business model is completely online, where the law just platform is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So people can work with you everywhere and anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: anywhere in everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In a global client's son.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, it's not just me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have an incredible wife who's my co-founder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have another co-founder this, three of us, but we have, we've got, you know, 70 plus people working with us all over the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got 50 plus hypnotherapists across the America that are deeply embedded in this work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and we're at the front lines of assisting this transformation from one identity into the other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know you have to go because I know you have clients.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If there was someone listening right now, that was like afraid of doing this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And because I have heard people say numerous times, even just about going to therapy or something, that they're afraid of what might come out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, hypnotherapy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm afraid of what I might say, what might come out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm just, you know, this can of worms has just been opened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now what do I do with that now?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're soft than I was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's like a fear that I hear in people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The answer to the second part is embedded within the first part of your question, which is can of worms inside, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the symptom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have now put so much into the unconscious that what is down there in the unconscious is now
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[SPEAKER_00]: filled with land mines, it's, it's, you know, there's something rotten and Denmark, it's beginning to explode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Carl Yong said, that which is not made conscious is doomed to live out in the world as fate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The question that you have asked what people
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[SPEAKER_00]: they are sharing their fate, they are sharing their life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are the things that happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is confessional, the sheer fact that you're in a sacred container and that you can share what you've never shared with another human being.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is freeing in of itself, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I virtually don't have to do anything else, but I have a basket of tools and I use hypnotherapy and trance to bypass the logical rational mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and go even deeper, go down into the unconscious and to bring it up to the surface in a sacred way and we get to look at it and we get to make amends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry this happened or
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[SPEAKER_00]: you get to talk to your mother that died of cancer when she was three, and you just lived your whole life feeling abandoned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But now you can talk to your mother and say, I'm so sorry, you must have suffered so terribly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's why I became a cancer doctor or whatever, but they
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's freeing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like in hypnotherapy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, you know, let me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like leaving the farm without leaving the farm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you go on a journey and it's sacred.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And these journeys
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[SPEAKER_00]: we know them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been spoken about since the beginning of time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is in Dante's descent into the inferno.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Jonah being swallowed by the whale.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Saint John of the Cross on his journey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Joseph Campbell in the heroes journey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are across all cultures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't do this work,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you were just doomed to live the fate that you're living in all of the symptoms and things will explode and go up here and alter its empty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're just attracted by, oh, I'll, you know, I'm just 60, I think deserve my little yellow Lamborghini.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just does not feed the soul that we're doing here feeds the soul.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Michael, this was incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How can people find you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How can we put everything in the show notes too?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But how can people find you and get started with you and follow and everything?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very simple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is joymind.com.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's end and the bomb, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's
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[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome!
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you guys, everything will be in the show notes for you, but like again, I think I had three different times where chills just like went up my arms.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought I was going to cry a couple times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's new to you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am so excited that we have this information and can get it out and
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't thank you enough for coming on our platform and speaking truth and getting this out to our listeners and I hope people take action and just opening our eyes to this, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just this alone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was so, it was healing just to hear you talk about this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I can't even imagine what it would be like to take the next step forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bless you and the work that you're doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it needs you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really, seriously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Allow that to land.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm acknowledging you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to make me cry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I've made you well, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for coming on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You are too blessing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys, everything's in the show notes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Check them out, go give them a like, a follow, and see how you can take the next step in your life and transforming your identity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Michael, it was a pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope this conversation is in our last and we get to meet and talk again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: everyone stay safe, stay healthy, until next time.