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How to Prepare for Your First Kinky Cruise with Concations and Carnivale Risque · The Kink Consultant

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It's the King Consultant Podcast where we're turning up the heat
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on all things kink and dating, relationships and pop culture.
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So close the door, plug in your headphones, and let's get down
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to it. Hey everyone, and welcome to
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this week of the King Consultant podcast.
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It is in countdown time for me for my kinky cruise at the end
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of April. And I, I started thinking, what
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am I going to do on this cruise? What's it going to look like?
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Am I ready? And I called up Lee from
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Caucasians who is organizing the kinky cruise.
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And I said, hey, Lee, I have some questions.
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He said, let's make it a podcast episode.
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So I'm delighted to welcome Carnival Risque industry
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veterans who have been leading the charge on teaching kink at
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lifestyle parties because they live the lifestyle loud and
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proud. I want to welcome Lee and
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Carnival risque. Thank you so much for joining
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the podcast. I have 4 guests on today.
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I've never had four guests before.
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So let's start doing some introductions.
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I am going to start with Tank. Why don't you kick it off for
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us? Hi.
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Folks, I'm Tank. I am one of the premier Doms
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here at Carnival Risque. I am been in the lifestyle for
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40 plus years living it and have been in a educator in the
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lifestyle for almost 2 decades now.
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I'm finishing up my PhD in human sexuality around the
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neuroscience related to BDSM and its effects on the neurological
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system. Oh my God, I know so many people
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have lots of questions about that, so that's super exciting.
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Thanks for being here. I'm excited to be here with you.
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Hello everyone, my name is Ells. I also go by Goddess Ells.
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I've been in the lifestyle for over a decade, I've been
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educating for over a decade, I love spanking, I love impact
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play, and I am also the art behind Carnivore Biscay.
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Love it. Welcome.
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That's so exciting. What is up everyone?
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My name is Obsidian. I've been doing discipline for a
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little over 13 to 15 years. It's my Forte.
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I love structure, I love protocols.
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I love everything that has to do with discipline.
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And I'm also really big into rope as well.
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I've been a carnivore Escae for a little over a little around 3
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years, around 3 few years. It's been incredible.
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I'm just super excited to be here with you guys today.
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Awesome. Thank you so much.
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I loved every one of those introductions and like
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personally disciplined. The word itself gets me excited.
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So I sort of like scrunched up in my seat a little bit when you
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said I was like so excited to have you all here.
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And Lee, welcome back. Thank you so much for having me
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back. I love this podcast so much.
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I'm the founder of Caucasians, which I started 10 years ago,
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and I'm absolutely passionate about organizing events.
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Caucasians organizes Kinky Caribbean, Swingcation, and The
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Kinky Cruise, which I'm extremely excited about to
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launch in April. Personally, I'm a lifestyle Dom,
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probably 30 years. Very much similar profile to
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Obsidian into power exchange, discipline and obedience.
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Whips Safari rope. Awesome.
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I didn't fully introduce myself. I say I was born kinky.
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I have known I was a spanko since I was 5 before I fully
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understood what that was. I had to get over a lot of shame
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in knowing I was into this from such a young age and feeling
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like a weirdo until I fully embraced this lifestyle.
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And I feel that even as the King consultant I am constantly
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exploring new levels of it. And we are going to be Co
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presenters on the cruise coming up at the end of April so I'm
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truly could not have had a better group on.
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I'm wondering how how many cruises and lifestyle vacations
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have you all been on before? This is going to be my first
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one. I've done 20 sailings.
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Well, we do work with Lee with Connocations, so we had the 20
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sailings plus our times work with Kinky Caribbean.
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But we've been in the business for 10 years, so we have hosted
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things all over the map. But sailing's 20 lifestyle
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events, Honestly, I've lost. So many, so many alone in the
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last three years. Can I imagine the last 10?
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The real excitement behind this is is that when we started with
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Bliss Cruise over 10 years ago, their dungeon was just a throw
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away. It was empty, there was no one
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there. They hired us to come on board
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and start educating individuals and interacting with people,
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showing them that their kink is a viable part of sexuality and
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shouldn't be a separate from swingers.
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So how do we incorporate the two together?
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And now, 10 years later, Bliss and Conocations are throwing one
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of the biggest sex positive parties in Jamaica and Mexico.
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So I'm so excited. We're very excited about the
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trajectory that Kink has been taking as an educatable and
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viable play space. When we first got on board, like
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he said, the dungeon was empty and.
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What does it look like now? It's full.
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It's the line at the door all night.
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Stacked with six to eight professional Doms in the room,
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they're helping people explore themselves.
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It's amazing. So what we've done throughout
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these years is we really elevate our looks.
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We Drew, we make it to where when we go in the building,
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you're looking at us and we come in with our floggers, our robe,
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and we start to do our thing with the music and show people
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that it's not scary. In fact, it's sexy.
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It's not about pain and all this stuff.
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So throughout all these years, people have started to really be
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curious about it, go to the classes, go to the dungeon and
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really, really, really love it. So we are super passionate about
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turning people into the lifestyle.
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And they're like super humble. It's more than just the cruises.
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Like literally traveled all over the world, all kinds of events,
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all kinds of names that everybody in the community knows
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of. They're just super, super
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humble. So like literally when you threw
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that whole oh, and places I'm like, oh, now my brain's like,
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how many is that? Because that number's got to be
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like way up there. So I want to dive deep to see
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what the actual number is. But you guys have worked with
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some pretty amazing, amazing people in the industry.
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And if just the amount of people that even myself as going into
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someone who came onto the cruises later.
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Now this is going to be like my fifth one.
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The amount of people that even come up that are just like
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because of you guys, because of this, being able to release
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Shane because of your class, like as an educator, that's how
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we receive a lot of our fulfillment is being able to
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help others. So me being able to see that of
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them my first time and even now continuing through 5 cruises
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later, it's honestly, it makes me emotional.
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It's so beautiful because it's more than just the event.
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It's the connection, right? It's that dynamic.
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This is the energy that you feel and This is why people are so
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hooked on it. And it's not even hooked.
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It's because once you feel something that is real, how can
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you go back to something that isn't?
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And that's all I'll say so we can continue on.
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Oh my. God, no, I'm sitting and I'm
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like, I'm like leaning into that because you are the newest of
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the group. Can you talk to me a little bit
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as me coming on as like a first time educator, but also my first
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event. What advice do you have for me,
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both as an educator but as an attendee as well?
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OK, so I'm going to say from as an educator, from educator is
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heart, right? It's the same thing as other
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teachers. Bring the classroom.
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Don't ever listen about, oh, this student, this student that
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just teach. Open with your open heart and
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listen to others receive advice, but only takes what resonates.
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That's my first advice to you on a personal level.
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Then on a professional level, lean in on the people like we
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have been doing it for 20 years. How many questions?
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We're not gatekeepers. Everybody has their own energy
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and their own sauce and their own recipe, right?
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So lean on each other, lean on people.
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Trust your energy. As energy players, you know who
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you can lean on and who you can't.
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And also one bliss. It's a big community on there.
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We all really do help each other at the end of the day.
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I would say go in with an open mind more than anything.
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If you're in the community, you already are, but open minded,
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open heart, just communicate your needs.
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Like honestly, it's so amazing. There's so much to do.
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If there's a class that you're like, oh, I really want to take
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that, do it because time on the ship is like magical time.
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It could be 8:00 AM and all of a sudden it's 10:00 PM in the back
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of something and you're like, how did he even get here?
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So definitely pace yourself. Yes, I know a lot of things are
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exciting. There's so much going on, but
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definitely pace yourself. You don't want to be on day
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three in your cabin not being able to to keep up and and do
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all the things. When I go to my Spanko parties,
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that's the other thing. The first piece of advice
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everyone gives is don't use wood on the first day because you
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want to be spanked the whole weekend.
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You want to like don't go hard immediately build up.
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Give yourself time to enjoy every day.
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I love that. Now, are all three of you
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teaching different classes? We do have a few different
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classes on the cruise. There's some specialty cruises
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for our feminine brand where the women want to go in.
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And one of the big questions has been about how do I explore my
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dominance. And so we let the girls go and
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they teach a dominance class with the girls.
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They bring their heels and then I go and sit in the bar with the
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guys and try to remind them, hey, listen, there's no shame
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and worshiping your woman. There's no shame of being on
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your knees in front of the woman you love.
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So, you know, I kind of take them to an atmosphere where they
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feel comfortable and talk about, you know, the shame for men and
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they get the women ramped up and ready to work hard on the men
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when we meet back up after one of the classes.
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But a majority of the classes we teach together and we do that
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because we have 3 distinct personalities, 3 distinct play
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styles, perspectives, and it gives.
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So we touch everybody's perspective in our class Doms,
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Subs, switches, brats, masters, kings, it's all of it.
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Fabulous, all of it. The whole class is talking about
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as well as into your dominance for those of you who are
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interested. And is that specifically for
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people who want to explore femdom?
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There's two sectors they're stepping into your dominance and
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also one of the classes that we have where he was talking about
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is exactly that is being able to step into your dominance as a
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fendom and her going over the different ways of how to use
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fendom. Like she's amazing at it.
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Again, you guys are super humble.
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I love it, super humble, but absolutely.
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And him talking about the release in Shame, that's also a
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Class, A newer class that we have, they definitely want to
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talk about later, especially the guys.
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That's beautiful, absolutely. But we do, we do everything.
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We do everything together, life together in classes, together,
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live together, everything. And, and when you see us around
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the ship and, and not in class, you can still come up to us.
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We will still answer your questions.
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Like I keep talking about it. We really love the lifestyle and
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our focus is to gain more members to our community.
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Hey, gangsters, if you prefer to learn about kink at your own
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speed, from the comfort of your own home, that's completely
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fine. You don't have to jump into your
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local community. You don't have to go to a class
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or attend any events. Now, I do suggest those things
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eventually, because community and education are powerful, but
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they're not required to begin. If you're more of a reader, if
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you like to process privately, if you want to build confidence
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before stepping into anything public, I've got you.
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I put together my full kink reading list, the exact books I
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recommend to clients. Who wants solid foundations in
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communication, power dynamics, the emotional safety of kink.
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You can get it at amandadames.com/the Reading
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List. Completely free resource I just
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want you to have access to. So head to the website or go to
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the show notes and grab the link there.
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Learn at your pace, start where you are.
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This is your journey. I love it.
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That is a mission I can get on board with.
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I also want to point out it sounds like like some of the
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classes you are teaching are some of those introductory
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courses, but with so much experience you're also teaching
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some skills based classes as well, right?
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Oh yes, it's actually pretty difficult trying to find the the
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full medium between the two. But we do have swing it, swat
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it, slap it and smack it. So you got to learn all your
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instruments here. The techniques behind in this
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particular class, the techniques behind impact clay, we don't
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work up too big, but we work up two whips.
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So, and how many? Tools in the trade and you know,
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we got to start here. Absolutely.
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I'm also like, it's like the boppit of kink classes, like how
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to do all of the things. OK, I want to address the
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elephant in the room. For the longest time, and I've
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said it myself, swingers and kingsters are different people
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and they do not mix well. But even I've seen in the last
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few years that is shifting, it's changing.
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And I'm wondering, like, do you guys remember a time where that
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was true? Like Kingsters and swingers did
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not mix. Yeah, 10 years ago.
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We. Started and because we saw that,
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but we understood that the swinger community was open
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minded. They were ready to explore, yes,
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but you know, they just, they don't have the full
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understanding of what BDSM and kink is.
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So they're like scared or whatever.
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So we saw that 10 years ago and we actually focus our business
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around the swinger community. So we posted swinger events for
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10 years. Yeah, to the point that we
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actually created like we coined the word swingster.
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So swingy kingsters. So yes.
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We've created a whole community of Swingsters, but.
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How did you bring these two communities together because
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that is like mind blowing to me. So this is how you know, this
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community loves to party, they love to dress up, they love
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glitter, they love the glam. We focused our looks around
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that. So we made ourselves, yes, we,
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we're, we're the kinky crew, but we really elevated our looks.
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We didn't just stop at leather and kilts and in a corset.
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So we really elevated our looks. Friendly, super friendly energy.
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Instead of like imposing this dominance type of energy, more
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friendly, educational with the music, the music's going and
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like we would come in and he would start like playing with
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me, flogging me, like kind of doing like a show, but very
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tasteful. We never hit anybody with our
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floggers. We're super careful.
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So instead of them being scared of us, they just welcomed us.
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They just kept like, wow, you guys are cool, this is hot.
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Can I try it? Can I try it?
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And then like we just started doing that and then.
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Yes, they the the real incidents was that you had swingers who
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had an ignorance of BDSM and ignorance is not an insult here,
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it's just you were ignorant of the facts and the BDSM ers a lot
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of the times thought that the swingers were too much sex, sex,
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sex, intercourse, intercourse. And so we really styled our
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introductions to swingers and kingsters by saying BDSM is
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foreplay. So let me show you swingers how
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to do some foreplay on. The dance floor.
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On the dance floor. So then when you finally leave
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here and go to your playroom, now you're all jazzed up and
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jacked up. So we we set the introduction as
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foreplay. Normally at these events they
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normally do set up like a little dungeon space, but it kind of
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always they don't really use it. They didn't know.
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So they would hire these parties will hire us so we can host the
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parties, get everybody kind of like desensitized and like, you
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know, calm and like really into it.
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And then we will say come to the dungeon after, try more things
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out. And then the instead of them
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being scared, OK, actually this is fun, let's do it.
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So next thing you know, after the party, everybody's in the
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dungeon trying things out. We've been doing that formula
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for 10 years. We got on the cruise to do the
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same. So we've hosted every night
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event on the cruise with our floggers, our rope and showing
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them. And then after that, everybody
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will start going into the dungeon, and now the dungeon is
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packed. From open to close From open to
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close every night. From open to close, it's packed,
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yes. From 9:00 PM to about 2:00 AM.
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Before everything, before the door opens, there's already a
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line. Sometimes there's even like a
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mid shift in the middle of the day like called heavy hitters
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because that's how packed it gets.
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Oh my gosh, I love it. That's my jam.
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So now we have these Kingsters and Swingsters and Swingers, and
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I feel like this cruise is for all three groups, right?
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How am I as a Kingster? I'm not a swinger.
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How do I I fit into this do you think?
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Like is this a space for me too? I know I'm showing up as an
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educator. Oh yes.
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Especially because you're an educator.
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Is it OK that I don't live the swinger lifestyle like 1?
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100% one. 100% on the cruise you have a variety of, not just, I
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mean there are swingers, swingsters and kingsters, but
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people aren't there just trying to absorb the sexual energy.
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And as a Kingster who is into energy play, you'll be able to
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find that. You'll be able to reach out and
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engage with some of the swingers or swingsters in a way that's
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very energetic and with with your smile and your kindness.
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They've really opened up to questions and answers.
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And so as a Kingsters, you have plenty of play time as a regular
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Kingster, but you actually will be surprised at the amount of
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friends that you'll make across the board.
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It's really become a really, really awesome mirage of people
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on the cruise. You as a, as a kingster, you
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actually have like more playground space because you
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actually cannot have sex. You know, in the single
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community you can't have sex everywhere, but you can't
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answering a vlogger anywhere. That's.
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Bring your poke vloggers to the pool deck, yeah?
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So that's gonna be this really immersive experience that I
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choose how much I want to engage or just watch.
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Exactly. It's your choice all the way
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through. And all three communities are
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pretty aware of consent, consent forward.
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There's very, very few times you're gonna have to that you
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would even have to it even even be an issue.
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I don't even at all. Not once have I ever come across
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an issue. Of course, with three to 6000
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people. You hear a story here there, but
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even then, like across all three communities, consent forwards.
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That's even beautiful even for a hug.
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Can I hug you? Can I, can I give you a hug to
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say thank you? Like it's to that to that point.
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Oh, I love that it's. Definitely about like, what do
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you want to get out of it? What do you want to learn?
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The people that you connect with.
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It's every single cruise. Is different.
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I do want to add that if you're listening to this and you're
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scared to go to a lifestyle event, I want you to know that
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you're more likely to get disrespected on at a normal
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downtown night than you would at a lifestyle event.
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We're swinging, yes. Because they're aware of
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consent. A lot of other places they're
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even aware of consent. They don't even know what
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consent is or disrespect consent or whatever.
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Consent isn't sexy. You have 3 pillars of people who
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really prioritize consent, so it's a really giant safe space.
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It's a safe space. I was just gonna say like, just
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because I'm not in the swinger lifestyle, I do end up at a lot
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of swinger parties because I enjoy the people.
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I enjoy the open mindedness. Some of my best friends that
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I've met here in Vegas were at swingers parties.
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I've indulged in things. I'm just not a swinger, so I
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feel like, OK, but that makes a ton of sense.
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Do you think because I've never been on one of these cruises, I
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invite everyone everywhere. I'm like, try it out, come with
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an open mind. Do you think Baby Kingsters
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people knew the lifestyle? Yes, yes.
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Especially baby. Yeah, baby, everyone.
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Yeah, Bliss Cruise is does a great job of ensuring that
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everybody feels safe. Even if nudity is something that
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you're ashamed of, like you're just can't, you know, feel
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comfortable, this type of event will help you feel comfortable
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in your skin. It's really it's beautiful.
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It's funny the the, the effect of all of a sudden you're the
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only one with clothes on around 2000 people who are naked.
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And then why do I feel uncomfortable when I'm fully
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clothed? And that helps people really get
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a chance to normalize themselves, normalize their
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fantasies, normalize their desires.
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And all in a space where nobody's pointing and laughing
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and shaming. It's, it's fabulous.
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It really is. It's a super safe space.
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Awesome. We don't have this culture very
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much in the United States, but like the sauna culture in
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Germany, you just walk in and take your clothes off and
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everyone's naked. And the first time it happens,
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you're like, whoa. But then you just realize, wait,
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no one gives a flying fuck. No one is looking at me.
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No one is judging me. There are too many naked bodies
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here for anyone to focus on mine.
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Yeah, correct. So I think it's probably going
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to be a similar thing. Just like the kink parties I go
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to. No one's like staring.
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A lot of people are in various states of dress and undress.
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You're going. To have so much.
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Fun. We're going hardcore because my
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boyfriend and I, it's our first vacation together and it's kind
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of working vacation for me. But we met at a kinky party.
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My listeners have all heard the story like it was a kinky
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weekend party for Spankos. We met there.
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So it was almost, we've had this type of vacation, but it hasn't
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been like on a boat going to the beach, really indulging in the
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vacation side of it as well. So I'm super excited about going
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on this. So I don't even think it's like
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it's almost never too early in your relationship to try it out.
20:02
That's my opinion. So it's worth going for this.
20:05
The earlier the better because like you're going to get along,
20:08
you're going to be with someone for a long time.
20:10
Build that trust and then to reintroduce when you could just
20:13
do it at the beginning and like. Look, this is me.
20:15
What's up? So my boyfriend and I, I hate to
20:20
admit this, are super competitive.
20:22
He probably also wouldn't say it, but is kinky Olympics
20:25
something that we can take part in?
20:26
Yes. Absolutely.
20:30
It's so fun. Prepare me, teach me how to win,
20:33
What's going to be a kinky Olympics, and what do we need to
20:36
be practiced? Honestly, like yes, bring your
20:38
skills, but have fun, connect to have fun and kind of is I think
20:43
that is it's more of in lines with calming your nervous
20:48
system. Like BDSM can be so rigid and so
20:51
like make you feel like you have to be.
20:53
But these games are fun. They're they're lighthearted.
20:56
It's like it's a really bonding experience.
20:59
We do get competitive, but it's all in a in a very fun, fun way
21:04
for sure. All of my competition is in.
21:06
I never pretend for tantrum when I lose, but if I wanted to win,
21:10
how could? I pay attention to the
21:13
directions. Instructions to.
21:16
Be very important, especially because sometimes you know what
21:19
to say wording. So listen to the protocol and
21:22
then go from there and see what's.
21:24
Up a great opportunity for you is to get about 10 feet away
21:27
from your partner or have him get 10 feet away from you get on
21:30
your hands and knees and you just start throwing butt plugs
21:32
at each other and. Should I give you?
21:35
They give you practice time, so that's.
21:38
Just like a random Tuesday. I'm ready, OK.
21:41
That's all we're doing. We're just taking kink
21:43
activities and making them competitive and and fun.
21:47
Awesome, I can't wait. I'm particularly excited about
21:50
that, even if I weren't to take part.
21:52
Like that sounds so much fun to watch.
21:54
Yeah, it it really is. Lee, turning it over to you,
21:57
what are you most excited about this cruise?
22:00
I had so much fun. I went on the the Bliss cruise
22:03
in November. And I mean, let me just say that
22:05
the Bliss cruise is absolutely fantastic.
22:08
The people that run the Bliss cruise are amazing and I have so
22:11
much respect for them having, you know, running my own events
22:16
for the last 10 years. I know how much goes into it.
22:18
And it's just exponentially more difficult to do an event on a
22:22
cruise ship, especially with 3000 people on it.
22:25
It's unbelievable how much they do and how amazing the event is.
22:30
I'm really looking forward to going back on it, but this time
22:33
it's going to be with a bunch of lifestyle kinky people in our
22:35
own little niche group. And we're going to have all of
22:38
our fun things like kinky Olympics, more workshops that
22:41
are kinky and ways to connect. And I just love being in in
22:45
these environments and being around all of my kinky friends
22:47
and making new friends and and connecting and being able to
22:50
play and being able to live our and my partner's authentic
22:53
selves. That authenticity is really
22:55
important and just what things like this do is it allows you to
22:59
live your most authentic even if it's just on the vacation.
23:03
You are yourself. We all have so many facets to us
23:06
and we don't get to show them to everyone.
23:08
But at an event like this, you can choose to show every part of
23:10
yourself, literally and figuratively.
23:13
Yes, encourage it. One of my slogans that I live by
23:16
is literally authenticity over acceptance.
23:19
And I think that these cruises for people who are just diving
23:22
in, this is that stepping stone for them to be like, wow, I can
23:26
actually live like this. And there's people that can
23:28
support me and there's actually genuine love here and there's
23:30
actually no judgment and no hate and no shame.
23:33
That's incredible. I can actually be myself and
23:35
being able to. Imagine that.
23:37
People that and say, yes, that's what we're doing and you can too
23:40
and live your life like this and be happy.
23:43
It's been a beautiful journey to just inspire others doing the
23:45
same. Obsidian, I'm going to hold that
23:47
so dearly, that authenticity over acceptance.
23:50
When you said it, it took my breath away for a couple of
23:53
reasons. I, being on social media, strike
23:56
the balance between people liking me.
23:58
I want to be liked. You don't get to like thousands
24:00
of followers without that. Like need to be liked
24:03
oftentimes. But then trying to pull that
24:05
authenticity out is super important.
24:07
And I want to call out that it's challenging but so worth doing
24:11
to put your authenticity out there and be yourself.
24:13
In my opinion and experience, it's the way to live your life
24:16
in the happiest way is to be authentic.
24:18
Yeah. Percent.
24:19
Yeah, actually we have a series of classes that we teach around
24:22
that called Unleashing Your Altars and it it's about how to
24:26
tap into all the sides of you and not just your forward work
24:30
side, but now how do we find the authentic you and then how do we
24:33
get you to present that to your partner?
24:35
It's one of our. Favorite classes?
24:37
Favorite classes because it really science.
24:39
It really is about just how are you going to share your
24:42
authentic self with your partner if you don't know who you are?
24:44
That is beautiful. Is that going to be on this
24:47
cruise? Yes, Unleashed alters, yeah,
24:49
please kind of hop on that one. That you you'd really enjoy
24:51
that. That's the first one I'm signing
24:53
up for. It can be a lot to balance until
24:56
you get used to it. Just your altars and really
24:59
being able to tap into them and bring them out so that they each
25:02
have a place in your life. That's one of our most
25:04
vulnerable classes. There's gonna be at least one
25:07
couple crying. It's beautiful.
25:09
At least. One of us will end up crying it.
25:12
Might be me, my boyfriend wouldn't stand around me.
25:15
Vulnerability is the sexiest thing to me.
25:18
That is probably the thing that turns me on the most because
25:21
it's someone opening themselves up to me being vulnerable and
25:24
then I also enjoy being vulnerable so I am definitely.
25:27
Can you pre sign me up for that class?
25:29
Actually, that's a really good point that you guys are talking
25:32
about what you can do to get ready for the cruise.
25:35
I would say download the Bliss app, the Celebrity cruise app.
25:39
And there's so much stuff on those things and, and take even
25:43
an hour to go with your partner and plan the things you want to
25:46
do because you can literally put the things you want to do on
25:48
your own calendar on those apps. And when once you get on that
25:51
ship, it is, there's so much going on and it's easy to just
25:54
look at your phone and say, I don't want to go to the thing
25:56
right now, no problem. But if you haven't done that
25:59
work, they have over 400 events in six days on this cruise and
26:03
we're adding more with Kinky Cruise.
26:04
And so take a moment to like at least filter out the things you
26:08
think you might want to do and also plan for the theme nights.
26:12
They are a lot of fun and a lot of people, almost everybody gets
26:15
into the theme nights. Yes, bring clothes to dress up
26:18
in. If you, if you have the, you
26:19
know, ability to do that, it's a lot of fun.
26:21
I'm excited. And make sure you sign up for
26:23
fetish dinner and it gets booked literally within the first two
26:26
hours of the first day. So have the first day.
26:29
You now they have it to where it's open about I think a week
26:31
before the cruise. So keep an eye out on that
26:33
because the fetish dinner is an experience that sells out every
26:37
single time and everyone talks about it.
26:39
We host it. So you'll definitely enjoy it.
26:41
And yeah, definitely. Some of the workshops sell out
26:44
too, and there are other things like excursions that sell out,
26:46
like our Jamaica Play Fest will probably sell out at some point.
26:49
That event sold 4 or 500 tickets in the first day that they
26:53
opened it up a couple weeks ago. It's a good idea to go find
26:56
things that you want to do, and actually, if there are things
26:58
you have to book, go ahead and do that well in advance as soon
27:01
as they open up those apps. OK, I'm going to put the link to
27:05
those apps in the show notes so that you're not like going all
27:08
over App Store, Google Play, wherever, so you can check the
27:11
show notes for that. And I guess, Lee, I'm kind of
27:13
like laughing and smiling as you're going through this
27:15
because I am not a planner. I think everyone on this call
27:18
knows I am not a planner. I'm like, let's just do it.
27:20
Let's just like, hey, I'll be here at this time, show up or
27:23
don't. So I am definitely going to be
27:25
sending this to my boyfriend and Dom and I'm going to be like,
27:29
tell me where we're going because he's the planner.
27:31
He's the like sit. Down.
27:32
Tell him to look up. Carnivores stay on the list and
27:35
we typically teach anywhere between 4:00 to 12:00 classes,
27:38
depending on the cruise. And I can vouch for that, their
27:40
classes are really good, I've been to a bunch of them already.
27:43
But also don't feel bad if you don't plan.
27:46
You can literally just sit and watch you know the water go by.
27:49
And I would be happy doing that too.
27:51
So especially if I'm Naked. Just the elevator rides are fun.
27:55
Yeah, yeah. They are there's.
27:57
No better elevator rides. There's no better elevator rides
28:00
than on this cruise I. Am so glad you're saying all of
28:03
this because Lee knows and I think that like everyone can
28:05
relate. Before you invest in a new
28:07
experience that you've never had before, it can be a little
28:10
intimidating and sort of like this is an investment.
28:12
I could literally go anywhere in the world.
28:14
What makes it worth it? And I don't know why, but as
28:16
soon as you said, even the elevator rides are exciting.
28:19
I'm an extrovert. I do like talking to people and
28:22
I'm like, I might just ride the elevator a couple of times to
28:24
meet people. I love meeting new people and
28:27
chatting about things. Even in that non kinky context,
28:29
it's going to be almost, it sounds like a kinky munch in
28:32
ways, right? Because you're around like
28:34
minded people and you could talk about anything.
28:36
It's not all kink. I was just going to say like,
28:39
that is one of my favorite things about the community and
28:42
being part of it. The more I go back sometimes the
28:44
less I play because I'm catching up with friends and now I get to
28:47
make new friends. Yes.
28:48
We actually kick off the kink on like the very first hour of the
28:53
cruise. We all get in our full latex
28:57
outfits, put in all, and welcome everybody on board.
29:02
So I need to update my game in dressing like I'm such a casual
29:06
dresser. I'm like showing up with jeans
29:08
and AT shirt everywhere that I'm like, oh shit, holy crap, that
29:11
is so cool for everyone just listening and not watching.
29:14
I mean, like, what am I? It's a.
29:15
Is that a full? That's not actual Latex, right?
29:18
But it's a. That's me.
29:20
That's actual Latex. Gosh.
29:22
Latex makes me feel a little restricted as it like I'm just
29:26
like whoa that's a head to toe latex outfit with these.
29:29
Amazing. Yes, we love it.
29:33
Like it's only in all the 10 years, only one person has
29:37
walked on ship and ran off when they saw me in 10 years.
29:42
And it's funny because, you know, I'm who I am.
29:45
I play hard on both sides, super dominant, super submissive, all
29:48
of it. Obviously when I'm dressed in
29:50
that way, you know, I'm on my dumb side.
29:53
But I'm very much, I'm welcoming you.
29:55
So I'm very much hi, you know, Welcome.
29:57
Welcome to the party. Are you ready to party?
29:59
Come on, let's go. And then when she saw me and ran
30:03
off. She went, Oh no.
30:06
Run after her. Hold on.
30:09
So now imagine this person running from me and I'm running
30:12
after. Chasing her in that outfit,
30:14
going I'm nice, I see her. You're gonna have the that's in
30:19
10 years. Only one person.
30:21
The rest, everybody loves it. They're like, yeah, now we're
30:23
ready. Our kind of party, this is it.
30:25
So, and we get to see our Kingsters come on board because
30:29
it's like, are you one of us? Are you one of us?
30:32
Yes, I love that because there are.
30:34
I think that is the other thing. There's a common misconception
30:37
the Doms are basically dominant through and through.
30:39
There's a misconception that like anyone dressed in all black
30:42
holding even a vlogger, they're going to be a Dom 24/7.
30:45
And that couldn't be farther from the truth, because no one
30:48
is who they are 24/7. That's exhausting.
30:51
That's exhausting. That would be an amazing put on
30:56
to be able to hold that. But like we're still all just
30:58
people, whether we're Dom sub, we are humans trying to connect
31:02
with people in different ways. So Lee, I've talked a lot about
31:05
what's going on on the cruise ship and I'm excited about that.
31:07
But like Kinky Cruise does have its own excursions right to
31:11
beaches so you can touch land. I had the idea of doing this
31:16
kinky beach excursion and it and the bliss cruise people.
31:19
And again, I love them to death. We, we partnered on this because
31:22
we just had such great energy and, and they love the idea of
31:25
making this open to the entire ship.
31:27
And so we ended up going to Jamaica and we, we found a beach
31:32
club bar kind of place that has a really cool beach and it's got
31:36
like a lagoon for it's almost like a swimming pool, a bar and
31:39
a big grassy area with palm trees.
31:41
And it's, it's really just a gorgeous location.
31:44
And so we have taken over the entire space.
31:48
We had this actually Russell, the CEO of Bliss, had the idea
31:51
of turning it into a festival kind of environment, which is
31:54
just such a good idea because it means Jamaicans love festivals.
31:57
And it's one of the things they do well, one of the many things
32:00
they do well. That's what we're going to do.
32:02
We're going to have a call to make a play fest.
32:04
The owners of the property are allowing us to have sex positive
32:08
play tents. And we're going to have our full
32:10
dungeon that we have at Kinky Caribbean there.
32:12
There's going to be tents and there's going to be it'll
32:14
swinger style play spaces with beds and full dungeon and a
32:18
little workshop tent for workshops.
32:20
There's going to be a live band and DJs.
32:23
There's going to be a foam pit, food and alcohols included.
32:26
There's going to be beach loungers everywhere.
32:28
It's going to be a full day. There's a marine park.
32:31
The beach is on a protected marine park, so you can snorkel,
32:34
you can kayak, paddle board, that kind of stuff.
32:37
They'll be coconut, fresh coconuts with water with straws
32:40
in them and massages. Almost too much to choose from
32:44
them. I'm like, how am I deciding how
32:46
I fit all of this in? Yeah, so that's going to be one
32:49
day that'll be in the ship goes to Montego Bay on the, I think
32:52
the second or third day and we'll do that party.
32:55
That'll be all day. There'll be buses to pick
32:57
everyone up. So it's just all inclusive and
32:58
you can just relax and enjoy yourself in the beach all day.
33:01
And then the Bliss Cruise also has a beach party in Cozumel and
33:05
that will be a clothing optional party as well at a really
33:09
beautiful beach that they found there.
33:11
So two big beach parties. So I could make like 1 beach
33:15
party, one where I do the snorkeling and everything like
33:17
that, and then the other if I want that sort of sex positive
33:20
experience or vice versa. But the dungeon is only going to
33:23
be in the Jamaica Beach party, is that correct?
33:25
All right, wait. I feel like you guys are going
33:28
to be everywhere at all times. Yeah.
33:31
We will be so you see us any moment just zooming by with our
33:37
glasses. We are just so hungry and so
33:40
tired. Yes, because it sounds like you
33:43
guys barely sleep on these. If you're at all of these events
33:46
and educating, you're nonstop. That was correct.
33:49
I sleep afterwards. Correct.
33:50
We sleep afterwards. What is sleep First?
33:53
I know. Well, I'm beginning to think I
33:54
should like schedule in my sleep hours because I want to do all
33:57
of these things too. People who've already booked for
34:00
the April cruise, they can also add the kinky package on top.
34:03
Oh, very good point. Yeah.
34:04
Yeah, that's actually what I was talking.
34:06
I think about more like how like if I want to go on this, what do
34:09
I have to do to make it happen? Because there are a lot of
34:11
people that signed up for this thing a year ago.
34:13
We didn't announce Kinky Cruise until October.
34:15
And there are people that might want to still join Kinky Cruise,
34:20
but they already booked a room. So if you go to kinkycruise.com,
34:23
you're signing up for a package that includes a room.
34:26
It's like a whole package includes a bunch of other stuff
34:29
that's part of Kinky Cruise. But if you've already booked a
34:32
room on the Bliss Cruise, you can buy an add on package and
34:35
still join as if you bought it through US.
34:38
Does that make sense? It does make sense.
34:40
Except. So what could have happened is I
34:42
could have booked not through kinky cruise.
34:44
I did book through kinky cruise. But I could have booked through
34:46
Bliss maybe six months ago before I even knew you, Lee.
34:49
And now I'm finding out there's this kinky thing.
34:51
What's the difference? Like, why should I put up for
34:54
the kinky pack? Yeah.
34:55
You can probably just reference the home page of the website
34:58
which lists a bunch of stuff that's included with Kinky
35:02
Cruise that you don't get if you just booked through Bliss.
35:05
But I would say being part of the niche group and having
35:09
access to the group activities and the group connections is is
35:13
the key thing. It's kind of like safety in
35:15
numbers or being your authentic stuff with people who are also
35:19
the same as you. But it also has some key perks.
35:22
You get the Jamaica Playfest included, which is $165 per
35:26
person if you bought it on the cruise ship.
35:28
So if you hadn't booked your Kiki cruise, you would have to
35:30
pay for that. You also get access to workshops
35:34
that are typically expensive. There's some free ones, but most
35:38
like they like risque charges, sometimes 150 bucks or more, a
35:42
couple. It ranges, but all the
35:43
presenters charge something per workshop.
35:45
Kinky Cruise gets you a slate of kinky workshops that are either
35:49
free or $15 a person. So at the end of the day, you
35:52
could save a lot of money if you just go to a workshop or two
35:54
just right there. But then there's a bunch of
35:56
other stuff too that's on the website.
35:58
There's a gift package, you get a custom necklace with your name
36:01
on it. You know, stuff for your door,
36:03
you know, T-shirt, all that kind.
36:05
Of stuff like the cruise experience, yeah.
36:08
And then we'll our own chats and our own meet and greet.
36:10
So if a pool party the night before, a rooftop pool party at.
36:14
The night before we left, we go on the ship.
36:16
Yeah. So there's all kinds of ways to
36:18
connect. That's what we do.
36:19
We try to create ability to connect.
36:22
It's always recommended before you go on a cruise, you show up
36:24
the day before and the kinky package you have an option to do
36:30
a hotel party the night before right?
36:32
Right, we have, we call it kinky hotel just for funds, but we
36:36
have yeah. So the package if you, if you
36:39
get the hotel through us, then it includes all of your
36:42
transportation. So you get to the airport, the
36:45
whole that you, there's a hotel shuttle and then the next
36:48
morning there's a shuttle to the cruise port.
36:50
And then we we're all going to, we have the rooftop pool
36:53
reserved for meet and greet that night.
36:55
So everybody can, we'll already be connecting ahead of that
36:58
through like a Discord chat and then we'll meet in person there.
37:02
And then on the cruise, there's going to be an app on the ship
37:05
where we'll have our own chat group.
37:07
OK. So there's so much and that
37:09
actually sounds like it alleviates a lot of the figuring
37:12
things out because you don't have that shuttle from the hotel
37:15
to the cruise. Right.
37:17
Yeah. That'll.
37:18
Our goal is to make it so you don't have to think.
37:20
You just show up. We got you perfect.
37:23
I'm like, thank God, cuz like the logistics are I'm not not
37:29
the logistics queen. OK, that sounds really good and
37:32
fun. Oh, OK.
37:33
You can relate. Yeah.
37:35
Show up. I do my I I do great at showing
37:37
up. Elsie too, Like, I'll wing it,
37:40
I'll show up and be ready, but like, God forbid, don't make me
37:42
organize a bus, a taxi, a plane ride.
37:46
None. All right, Tank Els.
37:48
Obsidian Lee. I have had so much fun.
37:50
I am not just calm about the cruise now, I am genuinely
37:54
excited. I can't wait to go outfit
37:56
shopping for all of these parties to level up my wardrobe.
37:59
Is there anything else, any parting remarks, things you want
38:02
to tell me before we meet up on that cruise in real life?
38:05
Well, it was towards the cruise. I didn't want to say a beautiful
38:09
thing that a lot of people don't get to see is our dynamic
38:12
outside of as presenters, but as a couple and as a throuple.
38:16
So it's beautiful because on the cruise you're going to be able
38:18
to see us as presenters and also in our own Poly verse us as a
38:23
throuple together and how our dynamics are as tops, as
38:26
bottoms, as doms and Subs and through and through.
38:28
So I think it's going to be really beautiful and I just
38:30
wanted to share that as well. Like if you wanted to learn more
38:33
about us outside of carnivorous K and us as a throuple, as
38:36
people, as humans, as connectors, follow our Poly
38:40
burst. And thank you so much for having
38:41
us on here and I would love to chat with you more about that as
38:43
well. I would, I'm like, OK, this
38:45
always happens every episode. Like we're about to close and
38:47
I'm like, wait, I earlier in the episode I was thinking like, I
38:51
am very curious about the lifestyle they personally their
38:54
relationship. So you identify as a throuple.
38:57
Like we're just going to get into this right now.
38:58
We're going to take 5 minutes before this ends.
39:01
Let's go. So you are a throuple.
39:03
How did you all meet? Else is my wife life of 11 years
39:07
and we met at a place called the Fetish Factory in Fort
39:10
Lauderdale. Yeah, I've definitely heard of
39:12
it. Never been.
39:12
Yeah. OK, so she used to work there
39:14
and I used to be one of the premier players.
39:20
You met in real life, living your authentic lives, and you
39:24
met we. Did.
39:26
And got married. We got married nine months into
39:29
into dating. We got married and we started
39:33
kind of a risque like that year. Yeah, that year later.
39:36
We've been married, business partners and living the the BDSM
39:40
lifestyle all at the same time. And I feel like through our
39:44
exploration and you know, all the years, we weren't like an
39:48
open couple as in like romantically, let's date others.
39:53
But we did have other submissives.
39:55
We had submissives that served us that we played with
39:58
throughout the years and after many years I met her at a
40:03
lesbian festival called Girls in Wonderland, OK.
40:07
Pandora. We like just connected in such a
40:12
way that it was honestly my first time connecting with
40:15
someone on a romance, like on a see, I to I not just like serve
40:19
me, submit to me type of energy. It was kind of like, oh, I
40:23
really like her. Yeah.
40:25
Imagine that like she also pulls out like the little the
40:30
submissive in me and that doesn't happen with other women.
40:33
So that already I was like, oh wait, what's going on?
40:36
Fast forward to today. I now have two daddies.
40:40
Love it. We I've been married to him for
40:43
10 years, I've been dating her for three years and we've been
40:47
living together for like 2 1/2. Years.
40:49
Oh, it's we live. All together, we live.
40:50
Like a family, yes. There's gonna have to be another
40:53
episode. Like that's all I can say right
40:55
now because I have 400 questions.
40:59
So I want to encourage everyone if you are interested in the
41:02
cruise, if you have questions for the next episode that I will
41:05
have with Carnival Risque, please put them in the comments
41:08
here because I want to know what you want to know and I have a
41:11
ton of my own questions. I'm announcing this without
41:14
consent. I want to make sure they did say
41:16
though that they would come on again so of.
41:18
Course, of course, for an open book.
41:20
I love it. Thank you for coming here and
41:22
being an open book with me and all of our listeners.
41:25
I really appreciate it and I'm super excited to see you all in
41:28
a few months. Yeah.
41:30
Super excited to see you. Yeah, so.
41:32
Much. And Amanda, if your listeners
41:34
want to come on our cruise, we would love to have them.
41:37
We have few more rooms left. It's going to sell out.
41:40
I think it's past 90% booked right now, but it's not too
41:43
late. They did release some interior
41:46
cabins which are a little bit less expensive, and they can
41:49
sign up at kinkycruise.com and I think you also have a code that
41:53
you can give them. If you do want to go, I have a
41:56
special discount code for the King Consultant podcast cast
41:58
listeners go to kinkycruise.com and you can use code TKC 50 for
42:04
$50 off each person. So that's $100 off your vacation
42:09
for a room of two people, but that can also go up to a room of
42:13
four people for $200 off All right.
42:16
Oh, I love that excitement. Thank you for whoever got
42:18
excited. I was so focused on the message.
42:20
You guys are so much fun. You add you have injected so
42:23
much fun into my day just through this conversation.
42:27
I'm I'm going to have a great kinky rest of my day and I hope
42:30
you all do as well. Thank you.
42:33
I just want to say before we leave, for those of you who are
42:36
watching, please come out to our events, Come kink out with us,
42:40
learn from us, party with us, get to know us.
42:44
We're excited to teach you, host you, and just be a support for
42:49
your kinky journey. Just be you.
42:51
And where can I find you guys? Carnival risque?
42:53
Like if I just want to obsess over you guys for a while, where
42:56
can I find you? Is there a web site?
42:59
Instagram page. Yes, yes, yes.
43:02
Website, instagram.twittertiktokwehaveitallouremail.info@carnivalrisque.com
43:09
everything you'll be able to find us for sure.
43:11
However way you search us up, whether it's through Carnival
43:13
Risque, whether it's through Poly verse, whether it's through
43:16
the leather work, whether it's through Lee and Caucasians Kinky
43:19
Caribbean, whether it's through Bliss Cruise, we're on all of
43:22
it. And that is carnival, risque
43:26
carnival with an E at the end. All right, it's QUE.
43:29
Because we fancy. And on that note, thank you all
43:36
so much. Bye bye.
43:41
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