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Inside the Mind of Nick Reiner | The Hollywood Homicide of Rob Reiner and Michele Singer · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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  Well, today was a big Newsday in terms of coverage of the case of
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  the murder of Rob Reiner and Michelle Singer Reiner.
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  And we've got a lot to talk about, including lot to cover,
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  including a press conference by the District Attorney's office
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  and the LAPD, as well as some information regarding the night
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  that or the night before the Reiners were discovered.
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  And some some footage from a podcast back in 2016 as Rob
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  Reiner and Nick Reimer were promoting their movie Being
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  Charlie Lot going on in this case.
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  And I think it's going to help us get into the mind of of Nick
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  Reiner, though, I mean, that's, that's just for our, I guess,
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  education. Nothing's going to bring back
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  the television and movie icons that were the rhiners.
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  Stick with me. This video contains mature
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  themes and discussions intended only for adult audiences.
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  Viewer discretion is advised. Hello there, my friend, and
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  welcome back to another true crime conversation with me,
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  Gavin Fish. Thank you very much for being
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  here, wherever here is. Let me know in the comments
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  where you're tuning in from. But on this channel, we like to
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  cut through the fluff and sensationalism of true crime.
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  We like to get down to the nitty gritty.
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  If that's what you like, then I'm glad you're here.
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  You found the right place. Now, in this case, we're in the
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  state of California and that means that we're not going to
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  get very much. And there is a lot of rumor,
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  there is a lot of speculation. We try to, we try to stay clear
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  of that stuff as much as we can, but we're not going to be able
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  to on this one, not until we learn more from from the
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  investigators. So yeah, we're going to I, I
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  think that may be the best place to start here.
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  Robin says she's in a state of disassociation right now.
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  Who do we have here? We got Fredonia, PA.
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  We got Arizona, North Carolina, British Columbia, Kansas City,
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  MO disassociation, Washington state.
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  So glad that you guys are tuning in and tell me more.
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  Bay Area, Lake George, NY Yeah, tell me where you're from.
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  I I, I just love that. I just love that for some
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  reason. OK, let's just do a quick little
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  recap. Rob Reiner and his wife,
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  Michelle Singer Reimer, who met and I think we're married in
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  1989 or 1990. They've been married a long
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  time. They have three children, all
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  grown up adult kiddos. Rob Reiner is also the father of
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  1/4, a daughter who he adopted when he was married to Penny
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  Marshall. Those four kids, I think, are in
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  a state of real grief and mourning right now.
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  I know that those of you who join me on this channel join me
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  in in, I guess, expressing our condolences to to that family
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  and to the several close friends and also to to the industry that
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  they served and worked in for so long.
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  It's just a terrible, terrible tragedy that probably could have
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  been avoided, though it was a long, long time coming.
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  So I think where I want to start tonight is there was a press
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  conference that was held live a couple hours ago that I didn't,
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  you know, let's see. Normie von Ormy says Jake, the
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  other brother, worked at a local news station as a reporter, was
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  a wonderful, hard working young man.
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  Yeah. It's just so sad.
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  Scotland's in the house. Houston, TX, Portland, ME,
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  Fresno, CA, Utah, West Virginia, Erie, PA.
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  Everybody's in the house tonight.
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  So why don't we start with that with that DA presser?
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  I think if I push my button, it's just going to start.
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  No, it's not good. This is this took place just a
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  couple hours ago in Los Angeles. It is about 13 minutes long, by
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  the way. We're going to go a little long
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  tonight because we've just got so much to go through.
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  I try to keep things to an hour, but we're going to go a little
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  long tonight. This 13 minute 22nd clip from
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  the press conference is going to give us a little bit of
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  information, a little bit, but not really the nitty gritty that
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  we want. Of course, I've already said
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  we're going to have to. We're going to have to wait for
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  that. This is California, but here we
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  go. My name is Nathan Hochman.
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  I'm the District Attorney of Los Angeles County.
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  Today I'm here to announce that our office will be filing
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  charges against Nick Reiner, who was accused of killing his
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  parents, actor director Rob Reiner and photographer producer
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  Michelle Singer Reiner. These charges will be two counts
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  of first degree murder with a special circumstance of multiple
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  murders. He also fesses a special
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  allegation that he personally used a dangerous and deadly
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  weapon, that being a knife. So just real quick and I'm I'm
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  just going to beg your apology. The indulgences for the
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  interruptions is what I do on the channel, but we had heard a
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  couple of different things. One, that their that their
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  throats were cut. I hate to even think about that.
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  And two, that they had been stabbed to death.
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  Both of those things can be true by the way.
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  But we now do have confirmation we've it it was a knife.
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  These charges carry a maximum sentence of life in prison
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  without the possibility parole or the death penalty.
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  No decision at this point has been made with respect to the
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  death penalty. California does have a death
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  penalty, but it effectively does not because they have not put an
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  inmate to death in 50 years. Something like that.
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  We have requested and currently Nick Reiner is being held
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  without bail. Now before I in announcing these
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  charges, I also want to announce that they're just that they are
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  charges. Charges are not evidence.
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  Evidence is something that we we will be presenting in a court of
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  law to meet the standard of. I'm going to make a correction.
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  It hasn't been 50 years. It has been, it has been about
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  19 years, almost 20 years since there was a execution in the
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  state of California. Proof we meet in every criminal
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  case, which is beyond a reasonable doubt to dwell, 12
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  jurors who you'll unanimously have to find that we've met that
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  standard to prove the charges we bring to court right now.
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  With respect to the process, Nick, once the charges get filed
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  this afternoon, Nick Reiner will be then brought to court.
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  He is going through medical clearance, something that
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  everybody who goes, who gets arrested and gets held in the
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  Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department jail goes through.
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  Once he is medically cleared, he will be brought to court to be
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  arraigned on these charges. At that point he will enter a
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  plea of guilty or not guilty. Now prosecuting these cases
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  involving family members are some of the most challenging and
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  most heart wrenching cases that this office faces because of the
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  intimate and often brutal nature of the crimes involved.
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  Rob Reiner was a brilliant actor and director, an iconic force in
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  our entertainment industry. For decades, which is huge in
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  his. Wife Michelle.
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  Singer Reiner. Was the whole economy down
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  there? Iconic photographer and producer
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  their their loss is beyond tragic and we have we will
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  commit ourselves to bringing their murderer to justice.
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  I want to thank LAPD Chief McDonnell, who is here today
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  along with Deputy Chief Alan Hamilton from the LAPD and LAPD
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  Captain Scott Williams, and the entire robbery, robbery,
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  homicide Division, who literally has been working around the
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  clock to gather the evidence that have led to the charges
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  we're going to be filing today. Also from my office, I have
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  Assistant District Attorney Maria Ramirez.
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  I have Director of Specialized Prosecutions John McKinney, I
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  have our head deputy of Major Crimes Craig Hum, and I have the
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  two prosecutors who will be leading the prosecution in this
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  case, Assistant head Deputy of Major Crimes Habib Bailian and
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  Deputy District Attorney for Major Crimes Jonathan Chung.
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  They will bring their decades of experience to holding this
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  murderer accountable for his actions.
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  At this point. Again, you will hear in the
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  media rumors. You will hear speculation.
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  You will hear hearsay. What I'm asking everyone to do
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  is to rely on trusted sources. If it doesn't come from the
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  district attorney's office, from LAPD, from the coroner's office,
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  or from the courtroom itself, and there is a good chance you
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  are hearing misinformation. Yeah, there's a good chance,
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  sure. But also sometimes it does turn
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  out to be true and I, I recognize the importance, I
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  guess to the fidelity of the courtroom and the court
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  proceedings that there be that there be a good jury pool to, to
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  select from. And I totally, totally get that.
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  Also, I am way more, I'm way more concerned with transparency
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  and way more concerned with getting the news out.
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  I just, I just am so at the risk of there being information that
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  turns out to be wrong. I hate the words misinformation
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  and disinformation. There's just such a political
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  attachment to it. But at the risk of getting
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  incorrect information, I, I think it's perfectly natural
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  and, and it's perfectly fine to use sources that as long as
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  there are multiple sources and there's good journalistic
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  efforts to confirm things or very good efforts to attribute
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  things that have been said, but not to speak as if they are
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  true, just sit just to speak as they, if they were said is fine.
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  And, and so I'm, I just, I don't know, I kind of roll my eyes
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  when I, when I hear somebody like this tell us, oh, don't do
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  that. Like, no, you won't give us
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  information. That's the thing.
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  You won't give it to us. So we're going to go looking for
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  it. Because at the appropriate time,
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  the actual evidence involved in this case will be presented in
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  a. Court of law?
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  Likely not Likely not he he most likely will please.
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  So the information likely won't ever come out.
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  And that's why it's important for good journalism to take
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  place. As for your patience until that
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  is done, but again, please do not rely on rank speculation,
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  rumor or hearsay to believe that you understand anything about
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  what went on in this case. I'd now like to turn it over to
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  Chief McDonald. Thank.
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  You well, good afternoon and thank you all for being here
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  today. And it's with deep sadness today
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  address the tragic loss of Robert and Michelle Reiner.
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  On December 14th, 2025, LAPD officers from our West Los
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  Angeles division responded to a death investigation at the 200
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  block of S Chadbourne Ave., which is in the Brentwood
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  section of Los Angeles. OK, let me pause this real
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  quick. Emmy Nikolov.
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  No, there are four children. There are three children of Rob
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  and and Michelle Reiner. And there is a fourth child, the
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  oldest daughter of Rob Reiner, Rob Reiner and Penny Marshall.
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  There are 4. On entering the residence, they
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  discovered the bodies of Mr. and Missus Reiner.
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  Detectives from our Robbery Homicide Division, Homicide
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  Special Section immediately initiated A comprehensive
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  investigation. The evidence gathered led to the
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  arrest of their son, Nick Reiner, who was taken into
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  custody later that night without incident, and the Exposition
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  Park section of our city today, the Los Angeles County
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  District's attorney's office has.
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  We've actually got photos of his apprehension that were published
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  to Instagram and then later taken down.
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  But we've got those. We'll, we'll get to those in the
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  headline section. Formally filed charges against
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  Mr. Reiner for the murder of his parents.
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  This case is heartbreaking and deeply personal, not only for
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  the Reiner family and their loved ones, but for our entire
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  city. We extend our deepest
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  condolences to all of those who are affected by this tragedy.
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  I want to take a moment to recognize and thank our criminal
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  justice partners, the District Attorney's Office, led by DA
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  Hochman, and everyone who worked tirelessly on this
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  investigation. Their swift action,
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  professionalism, and commitment to justice have been
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  instrumental in bringing clarity and accountability to this case.
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  The LAPD remains steadfast in our mission to protect life and
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  uphold justice. We will continue to support the
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  Reiner family, ensure that every step forward is taken with care,
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  dignity and resolved. Thank you.
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  Not the world's greatest orator. Questions.
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  Yes, right here in the front. Could you talk about why you
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  feel this case rises to special circumstances?
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  So special circumstances is a situation where an one of the
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  enumerated factors that lead to elevating in some ways a first
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  degree murder case to a special circumstance, first degree
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  murder case occurs. One of those special
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  circumstances is called multiple murders.
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  Here we have two, and it qualifies under the definition
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  of multiple murders to allege the special circumstance in this
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  particular case I saw over here. Yeah, but he was found with good
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  solid police work, investigative tools used by robbery, homicide
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  and gang and narcotic Division detectives with the US Marshall
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  Service task Force involved as well.
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  So we're we're thankful for the work that was done.
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  I won't go into talking about what was found or anything that
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  could potentially taint the investigation.
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  Yeah. Given Nick's history of drug
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  use, was there any indication that he was under the influence
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  at the time of this? Crime.
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  No, thank you. Again, that's another question I
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  can't touch. I'm following.
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  Up on that, is there any evidence of mental?
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  Illness in his. Background, I'm sorry, please
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  repeat the question. Is there any evidence of mental
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  illness in his background beyond the addiction?
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  The evidence, any evidence if there is any of mental illness
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  for his background will be coming out in the hearings to
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  that will occur. We anticipate again after the
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  arraignment the process will go through the normal process a
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  case like this goes through at the appropriate time.
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  If there is evidence of mental illness, it will be presented in
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  court and in whatever detail the defense seeks to do that.
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  We we do have information on what the defense is, by the way,
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  or on who the defense is. We'll get to that.
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  We don't anticipate any significant delay more than is
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  involved in a first degree murder case with special
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  circumstances. These are some of the most
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  serious charges that AD as office can bring against anyone
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  and we anticipate that the discovery that we will produce
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  to the defense will be robust. It will be very involved.
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  They'll want adequate time to review it.
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  They'll again, they'll want to go through every single factor
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  that they can ascertain in the defense of Mr. Nick Reiner.
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  So again, this will proceed along the tracks that many of
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  the first degree murder cases proceed.
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  Do I anticipate it being particularly fast?
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  No, I I anticipate it being very thorough.
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  You know, I appreciate that answer and let me tell you the
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  reason I appreciate that answer 1.
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  This is a guy who cares about the fidelity of the law, right?
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  He's like, and it sounds like, hey, we're going to, we're going
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  to do this by the book. The defense is going to get a
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  very robust discovery file. We are going to give them
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  everything that is required under the law, which is
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  everything that's exculpatory. And the defense is going to want
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  to go through that. And so will this take a long
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  time. I imagine there won't be
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  speediness to it, but it it'll be done thoroughly.
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  And to me that's an indication that he cares about the process.
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  He cares about the law, he cares about protecting the the
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  defendant from, let's call it malicious or unfair prosecution,
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  that the prosecution be fair, that the prosecution be thorough
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  and and that the defense have an opportunity to create a good
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  defense. And I know you guys are already
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  talking about it in the in the live chat.
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  Alan Jackson is the defense attorney here.
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  We're going to get to that in a little bit.
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  So he is hired a very good defense attorney.
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  I mean, this guy represented Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey,
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  Karen Reed, This guy is, he's a good attorney, maybe the most
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  expensive attorney in the nation, maybe the top five,
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  something like that. But I do appreciate DA's
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  response to that. It's like, no, it, it won't be
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  particularly speedy. The defense is going to want
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  time and and but it will be thorough.
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  Yes, right here cause of death and.
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  Time of death asking about cause and time of death.
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  Yes, right here do the members of the Reiner.
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  Family help with new investigation LED to the US
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  asking if the Reiner Reiner family gave any assistance that
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  helped in the investigation. Of course he's not going to be
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  able to answer that. Let.
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  Me. Defer to the chief.
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  On this hi, I'm Deputy Chief Allen Hamilton, Chief of
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  Detectives. We don't have any specific
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  information we're going to release at this time regarding
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  the family's information they provided as we move forward that
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  that. That means they did provide
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  information reading between the lines there.
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  Information will be discussed in the appropriate venue, which
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  will be the court. Yes, in the front here.
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  Can you talk anything? More about just not the the
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  condition that Nicholson. Was arrested in the neighborhood
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  like anything else, asking about the condition of the residence.
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  Specifically, he was arrested in in a in a public area in the
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  Exposition Park area near the University of Southern
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  California campus. That was a rumor last night that
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  he was near USC, and it turned out to be true.
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  And he was arrested without incident.
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  There were no indications that there was no indication that he
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  was going to resist or anything like that.
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  He didn't flee or anything like that.
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  He was taken into custody without issue and and he was
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  transported to our police headquarters facility.
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  Take a question back there. Yes, he's been alleged.
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  One of these special allegations is that the murder was committed
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  with a deadly weapon or a knife. As to where and and how the.
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  OK. So that that confirms the knife
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  site. Well, we already talked about
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  that. And will be was located or will
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  be located that will actually be evidence we'll present in court
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  we'll. Get 2 more questions.
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  Let me take a question over here.
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  I've I'll defer to the Chief on this one.
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  We don't have, we don't have, I'm sorry, we don't have that
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  kind of specificity yet. We're waiting the coroner to be
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  able to try and determine as best they can at this point time
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  of death. Let's we'll take the question
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  back there. Asked who called 911.
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  OK. So in terms of how the Los
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  Angeles Police Department became aware, it was in a request from
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  the Los Angeles Fire Department who responded to the scene
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  first. We responded to their request
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  for assistance at the the scene of the incident.
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  Our initial Westerly officers that responded determined that a
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  crime had occurred and they immediately notified our robbery
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  homicide division. They've responded and they've
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  taken over the investigation since that point.
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  Thank you. Everybody, one more, one more
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  question. I'll take it right here.
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  So any statements made by the defendant at any.
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  Point in time. Would be the type of evidence
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  we, we, we will be presenting in court.
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  Let me take one. I'll take one last question
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  right here. Hold on one second.
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  We I I just identified this gentleman.
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  Sorry. We do not have the estimated
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  time that it will take. We know that they're working on
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  it expeditiously, but as to when they deliver it, we do not have
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  that estimated time. I'll take that one last question
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  back there. I was just wondering in.
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  A domestic situation, asking how much they take into
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  consideration what the family wants, Does it factor into what
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  they charge? In these cases, like like any of
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  these cases, we will take the the thoughts and desires of the
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  family into consideration in making our decision.
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  Thank you all very much. All right, so that that was the
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  the press conference before we move on to the next bit of media
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  that I want to show you guys. Let me see what you guys are
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  talking about over on the live chat bringing on in here.
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  Let's see. I can't tell to Lisa Luther.
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  I guess Nick Reiner was a majorly troubled soul.
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  I think that that is true and we're going to get into that a
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  little bit for sure. Robin says.
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  What I struggle with is that his son had to analyse one parent at
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  a time, so the other parent had to have known what happened
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  before they also weren't alive. Probably.
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  Yeah, I, I think about those, unless there was like a blitz
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  attack on one and a blitz attack on another and another part of
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  the house, which we don't know, to my knowledge, we don't know
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  if they were found together, if they were found apart.
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  Have no idea. But I struggle with the same
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  thing, right. The the horror of understanding
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  what is happening and, and trying to process what's
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  happening before you, you know, before your life is taken.
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  Emily Hart says Alan Jackson is his attorney.
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  Indeed. We're going to get into that a
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  little bit to Lisa Luther. A little part of my childhood is
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  gone now because of this. He was the director of The
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  Princess Bride. Yeah.
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  Rob Reiner was the, the, let's say, one of the creative drivers
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  of so many parts of our society here in the United States,
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  actually, and in the whole world.
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  The Princess Bride might be the the first or second movie that
• 25:07
  was completely quotable for me. I can quote that movie from
• 25:12
  beginning to end. I I can tell you the entire
• 25:14
  script of that movie. And that was a Rob Reiner thing.
• 25:17
  And, and he pushed William Goldman to do it.
• 25:21
  And William Goldman didn't want to want to make the movie
• 25:25
  because he was so afraid that what he considered his
• 25:28
  masterwork was not going to come across well on the movie, right.
• 25:34
  And of course, I mean, it was perfectly done.
• 25:37
  Perfectly done. And by the way, if we can just
• 25:40
  do Gavin's book club for a second, that might be the best
• 25:43
  book I've ever read. The Princess Bride.
• 25:45
  It's written as if, as if it's being what?
• 25:52
  Condensed from an ancient work by a fictitious author named S
• 25:58
  Morgenstern. It is brilliantly written.
• 26:01
  So, so, so funny. So many things didn't make it
• 26:04
  into the movie. Of course, it was Goldman who
• 26:07
  wrote the screenplay, right? So he he adapted the screenplay
• 26:11
  from his, from his novel. But yeah, but beyond The
• 26:16
  Princess Bride, I mean, Stand by Me might be the first coming of
• 26:19
  age movie that I ever watched that that I loved, right?
• 26:25
  Think about think about When Harry Met Sally, right?
• 26:28
  That that is the ultimate that that is the best romance
• 26:32
  romantic comedy ever made, in my opinion, the very best.
• 26:38
  A few good men, right? I mean, a few good men I
• 26:42
  actually saw in the theater something like 5-4 or five
• 26:46
  times. It's just, it's just so perfect.
• 26:49
  So, yeah, I mean, that might be why it's touching us all.
• 26:53
  I mean, not only is this a horrific crime and we're
• 26:57
  grasping to understand what happened and why it happened,
• 27:01
  That's the main thing that we're grasping to understand why it
• 27:03
  happened. But also we're dealing we're
• 27:06
  struggling with the whole piece of this, just just how much the
• 27:14
  the work of mostly Rob Reiner, but also also Michelle ment us
• 27:23
  over the years, right? I mean, yeah, I talked about
• 27:27
  this last night, but when Harry Met Sally had a completely
• 27:30
  different, completely different ending until Rob Reiner met
• 27:35
  Michelle Singer and then he worked with Nora Ephron to
• 27:40
  completely change the ending because he was finally convinced
• 27:44
  that there could be a happy ending.
• 27:46
  So, yeah, it's this is this is a hard one for a lot of us.
• 27:55
  I think he's going on about that due to the rumor tags that tend
• 27:59
  to be bad. Yeah.
• 28:00
  OK In Hollywood. Sure.
• 28:03
  Yeah. That officer does sound a little
• 28:05
  bit like he's from the East Coast for sure.
• 28:09
  Emily says. Do you think Nick is using his
• 28:11
  trust fund? Supposedly.
• 28:12
  He's still. I'm sure, Yeah.
• 28:17
  Yeah. An an indigent person does not,
• 28:23
  does not hire Alan Jackson. It doesn't happen.
• 28:27
  Does not happen. Ohio Paul mom says the
• 28:30
  prosecutor isn't all about being neutral.
• 28:33
  He ran on a law and order platform and in the presser he
• 28:36
  says he's the killer before he's even charged.
• 28:39
  Yeah, but that is what is the word that I'm trying to say The
• 28:47
  that is the privilege of the charging personnel and the and
• 28:54
  the prosecuting personnel. They can say this person
• 28:57
  murdered that person. They don't have to say it is
• 29:01
  alleged, they say. And one of the reasons I think
• 29:04
  for that is they've got to be able to to confidently project
• 29:12
  exactly what they believe happened.
• 29:13
  And they enjoy high immunity, high official immunity.
• 29:20
  So, yeah, he's not about being neutral, but Ohio Palm Mom, I
• 29:24
  don't think that I if I did say neutral, I I'm sorry about that.
• 29:27
  What I what I mean is he cares about the fidelity of the law.
• 29:32
  There is a process here. We're going to follow the
• 29:34
  process. I'm going to play my part.
• 29:36
  We're going to do everything above board.
• 29:38
  We're going to give all the exculpatory discovery file over
• 29:41
  to the defense. The defense is going to want to
• 29:43
  spend some time on that. To me, it, he cares about the
• 29:47
  fidelity of the law and that is not neutrality.
• 29:50
  In fact, he shouldn't be neutral.
• 29:52
  He he is a prosecutor. What if someone overheard Nick
• 29:57
  and Rob's argument that didn't like him and saw an opportunity?
• 30:00
  I'm sure they have cameras all over their house, though.
• 30:03
  Yeah, I don't, I don't know that anybody is seriously thinking
• 30:10
  that that there was somebody else that was like, hey, I can
• 30:13
  pin this on Rob. I mean, I mean, that's possible.
• 30:16
  But yeah, I I I doubt that. Robin says.
• 30:22
  I saw in an interview where Sally Struthers said while Rob
• 30:28
  Reiner was playing meathead that he already had the rights to The
• 30:31
  Princess Bride and was always thinking forward.
• 30:34
  Yeah, I saw a cool little interview with him talking about
• 30:37
  Carroll O'Connor, which was pretty cool.
• 30:39
  Very cool. So anyway, that great comments,
• 30:43
  guys, great comments. Let me move over if we can to to
• 30:49
  this one here. I'm going to bring it up here
• 30:53
  would this comes from a podcast. This is about 21 minutes long.
• 30:58
  This is why I said we're going to go long tonight.
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  This is from a podcast back in 2016 and I learned about this by
• 31:05
  reading, I think it was Rolling Stone today.
• 31:12
  The the entire podcast episode is about an hour long.
• 31:16
  Paul Mercurio is I didn't I, I don't know his act.
• 31:22
  He's he's a comedian and but I I'm not somebody who follows him
• 31:27
  or knows him, but he has he had this podcast called 2 chairs and
• 31:31
  a microphone. It's changed its name since, but
• 31:35
  he had Rob Reiner on kind of promoting being Charlie.
• 31:39
  Now Being Charlie is a movie that was written by Nick Reiner,
• 31:44
  was produced and directed by Rob Reiner, and it is semi
• 31:47
  autobiographical about the struggles that Nick Reimer
• 31:50
  Reiner. I always want to say Reimer.
• 31:52
  I'm so sorry, Nick Reiner. It's semi autobiographical about
• 31:59
  Nick Reiner's life as a teenager.
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  And as they're talking about the movie, Paul goes, you know, what
• 32:07
  does your son think? I think I included this in here.
• 32:10
  So you're going to see it. I just want to set this up.
• 32:12
  And he said, well, there he is right there.
• 32:14
  He could tell you. And then Nick Reiner joined.
• 32:17
  OK, so the last 21 minutes or so of this is Rob Reiner and Nick
• 32:22
  Reiner talking to Paul Mercurio about about this movie and about
• 32:28
  their personal relationship. And I, and I honestly think it's
• 32:32
  pretty darn telling. So I wanted to I wanted to
• 32:35
  discuss this. Here we go.
• 32:37
  What do you think your son took away?
• 32:39
  You said you both learned what you were going through in a
• 32:42
  deeper way. Right here you can ask him.
• 32:44
  No, that's your son. That's Nick you.
• 32:46
  Know wow I guess I should have known that at the beginning come
• 32:48
  in here come in here man he. Wants to know what you took away
• 32:51
  here? I'm going to get you 1.
• 32:52
  Of these, yeah, yeah. Nice to meet you.
• 32:55
  I was really interested what you were saying about the baseball
• 32:57
  thing, how relatable it was. Yeah, it just, someone said
• 33:03
  having a child is like your heart is running around outside
• 33:07
  your body unprotected. And I couldn't put it any
• 33:10
  better. And, and I was thinking on the
• 33:12
  way here and I try to talk about this stuff in my ACT because
• 33:15
  this is the stuff that I think matters is like I am at times
• 33:20
  that parent that I would mock who lives through his kid.
• 33:23
  And I'm sure when you're going through your pain, your dad was
• 33:25
  going through, my son is in a baseball slump, which is nothing
• 33:28
  compared to what you guys went through.
• 33:30
  And I literally couldn't sleep a couple of nights.
• 33:33
  And so I totally understand. So I'm curious, what did you
• 33:36
  figure out what's going on with him during all of this as a
• 33:40
  result of the movie? But I think I'm lucky in the
• 33:42
  sense that I have parents that care about me.
• 33:46
  And because of that, when I would go out and do, you know,
• 33:50
  things like drugs and and stuff like that, I'd feel a tremendous
• 33:54
  amount of guilt because I'd think, oh, they're, you know,
• 33:57
  they're thinking about me right now.
• 33:58
  They want me to do good. And most people don't have, not
• 34:01
  most people, but some people don't have parents that are, you
• 34:04
  know, have any interest in them. Yeah.
• 34:07
  Isn't that interesting? Like now this again was almost
• 34:10
  10 years ago. So, you know, he's mess with my
• 34:16
  levels there a little bit. So, but he's recognizing at this
• 34:19
  moment, yeah, my parents love me.
• 34:21
  Everything that they did was because they loved me.
• 34:24
  And yeah, it was tough and everything, but at least I'm
• 34:27
  lucky enough that I have parents that love me.
• 34:29
  And that is an indication to me that when when it all went down,
• 34:36
  it it there had to be some sort of psychotic break, some kind of
• 34:40
  mental illness, some kind of mental mental disease.
• 34:43
  And again, this is 10 years later, right?
• 34:44
  So this happened 10 years ago. But yeah, it just seems to me
• 34:49
  that that a person who recognizes how much his parents
• 34:54
  love him wouldn't go about ending their lives without some
• 35:00
  kind of break. Talking with Nick.
• 35:02
  I, by the way, I'm not a psychiatrist, a psychologist, or
• 35:06
  a social worker. Anybody that has any bona fides
• 35:09
  here. It's just, it's just my opinion.
• 35:12
  Reiner and his father rob Reiner nick had a drug issue in his
• 35:15
  teens and beat it and wrote a movie about his dad directed it
• 35:19
  and see my. That moment where he's like,
• 35:23
  hey, he was he was addicted to drugs in his teens and he beat
• 35:27
  it and you can see Nick go. I think he was probably doing
• 35:32
  drugs right then. He.
• 35:33
  Just said something really got me, which is that deep down, he,
• 35:40
  he trusted that we loved him and that we were there for him.
• 35:45
  And that put a little bit of a brake on, on certain things.
• 35:50
  I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a desire to to, to survive, you
• 35:53
  know, and that put a little and, and I think that's where we made
• 35:57
  the mistake is that we didn't trust that he would, that he had
• 36:01
  that. If you supported him as opposed
• 36:03
  to you, you were punishing. That in yes, we were.
• 36:05
  We were definitely. Meaning like punishing around
• 36:08
  him, you can't use the car, you got to stay.
• 36:09
  Home all that, just the whole idea of throwing him into a a
• 36:13
  rehab place, you know, just saying OK and it is there's a
• 36:16
  punitive. But if you hadn't done that, how
• 36:19
  could you treat him on? You couldn't treat him on your
• 36:21
  own. No, not on our own, but we could
• 36:23
  have maybe just worked with him with a therapist and, you know,
• 36:27
  been a little bit more active in that way.
• 36:29
  I, I, I think we just overreacted, but I mean.
• 36:32
  Nick, did you love hearing that? What I love about this section
• 36:35
  of the interview, and by the way, like I don't want to wax
• 36:38
  political because this is an apolitical show.
• 36:42
  Rob Reiner was a political beast.
• 36:45
  He he really was he was his his point of view is very liberal
• 36:50
  and he was he was very outspoken about that.
• 36:54
  But one of the things that maybe informed that for him was that
• 36:59
  he did, he had deep feelings about things, right?
• 37:02
  And and that's something that I can respect.
• 37:04
  Again, I don't like to wax political on this stuff because
• 37:07
  I in in this world, we need poets and we need, we need movie
• 37:15
  makers and we need performers and we need singers and we need
• 37:19
  artists and we also need soldiers and we also need
• 37:24
  realists and we also need bankers and we, you know, all of
• 37:28
  the things that kind of bifurcate us as a society.
• 37:32
  I think we need all of us. So that that's all I'll say
• 37:36
  about that. But what, what I love about this
• 37:39
  part of the the of the interview is that Rob Reiner saying, you
• 37:42
  know, during all that time, we were trying to help, but we were
• 37:46
  not doing what we were. So he's learning over time,
• 37:50
  right? We were punishing him.
• 37:52
  We were trying to help him, but we were punishing him.
• 37:54
  And that breaks the trust. He can't come to us because he
• 37:58
  thinks he's going to be punished, right?
• 37:59
  It's, it's, it's just so sad how it ended.
• 38:03
  He said that because I knew he has that in and there's a part
• 38:06
  of him that wants to survive and he doesn't want to, you know,
• 38:09
  kill himself or. Anything why?
• 38:11
  Why were you so deep in the drugs?
• 38:14
  What what was what do you think? Maybe with distance you can
• 38:17
  answer this, maybe not. Was the sort of the the
• 38:20
  underlying issues for you that were driving you there?
• 38:24
  I don't think this is any different than most people going
• 38:27
  through their teenage years, but I think that I was very.
• 38:30
  I had no identity and I had no passions.
• 38:34
  And I think the reason I had no identity was because, you know,
• 38:39
  I have a famous dad and a famous grandpa and they are, they sort
• 38:44
  of in, you know, that fame sort of informs who you are.
• 38:46
  So I wanted to etch out my own identity with a more rebellious,
• 38:51
  angry, drug addicted sort of persona.
• 38:55
  Go go the opposite of. What, what's really interesting
• 38:57
  about that is like, no, most of us are not children of the
• 39:02
  world's most famous director and the world's most famous comedy
• 39:06
  legend, right? So he's on a level way above
• 39:09
  what I understand. However, I do understand that
• 39:12
  idea of being the child of a well known within our community,
• 39:17
  a well liked a, a highly revered father and just wanting to be
• 39:27
  yourself, just wanting to be yourself.
• 39:29
  Now in, in, in later years, you start to say to yourself, I
• 39:36
  don't want, you know, in your early years, you're like, I
• 39:38
  don't want to be in the shadow of my father, my mother,
• 39:40
  whomever it is that that you're in the shadow of.
• 39:43
  And I think, I think that's almost universal to some level
• 39:47
  or another. And as you grow older, you start
• 39:50
  to say to yourself, Oh my goodness, it's nice and shady
• 39:52
  there. It's nice and cool.
• 39:53
  I like it there. That's certainly what happened
• 39:56
  with me, but very interesting that maybe as that human
• 40:02
  response of being the child of of accomplished people is what
• 40:08
  drove him into the darkest part of his life up until this point.
• 40:13
  Of course, the darkest part was Saturday night.
• 40:16
  Your father and your grandfather are in terms of that, but did
• 40:19
  you also think you wanted to be through the haze of all of that,
• 40:21
  that you wanted to be an artist of some kind, whether it's a
• 40:24
  writer or director or producer, that you wanted to do something
• 40:27
  in this business? No, I had no idea.
• 40:30
  And that's what aided to the drug use was because I had
• 40:33
  nothing to fill my time. I had nothing, No, no, nothing
• 40:36
  to look forward to. Well, wait, you're a teenager in
• 40:38
  high school. You're living your Your parents,
• 40:41
  as famous as they are, seem like they're very normal people.
• 40:44
  Your dad, Coach. Well, we're all.
• 40:47
  Crazy. My mother.
• 40:47
  Yeah, we're right. But but my point is there are
• 40:49
  things to do in high school, right?
• 40:51
  Like whether if it's not sports, it's musically a chess club.
• 40:56
  I don't know you, just your interest didn't really lie
• 40:58
  anywhere at that point. Well, I was really into
• 41:00
  basketball, but I'm a white Jew, so I couldn't really that for a
• 41:05
  long time and it just seemed like I didn't want to go into
• 41:09
  that business. But now you know I'm going into
• 41:12
  it as a drug addict of a. It's kind of ironic that the
• 41:15
  that you know, that the thing that this came out of it and you
• 41:18
  ended up and, and do you, do you find that?
• 41:23
  I mean, obviously, I know for anybody with, with an addiction
• 41:26
  problem, it's day-to-day, but how do you, how do you deal with
• 41:32
  issues that we all have? And now that you don't have
• 41:36
  drugs to use, what, what is, what is, do you, is it you, can
• 41:39
  you talk to your dad and your mom more openly about things?
• 41:42
  Or do you see you know the help? Seek help other ways?
• 41:44
  When he was saying before, like how I was scared to get in
• 41:48
  trouble if I were to tell them the truth because they always
• 41:50
  say be honest, be honest, be honest.
• 41:52
  And that's the best policy. But it's kind of not the best
• 41:55
  policy when you're honest and you get in more trouble than you
• 41:57
  were if you were. Lying what my son said I'm going
• 42:00
  to send you this link that's I said to him because OK, it's the
• 42:04
  summer. OK, we go to I'm sorry, I'm
• 42:07
  getting excited, but we go to a place we go to a place up in we
• 42:11
  got a place up in Connecticut. So I'm walking down the street
• 42:13
  with my wife and he rounds the corner with like four or five of
• 42:16
  his friends and I can see the shadows and he's got a backpack
• 42:18
  and one of the kids has a backpack and I hear ditch it,
• 42:22
  ditch it and throw the backpack. So as they walk by, my son's
• 42:26
  like all cool, doesn't really want to talk to me, part of his
• 42:28
  friends. I go, I'll pick up that backpack
• 42:30
  for you and keep it at the house, right?
• 42:32
  So I pick up the backpack and it's filled with a bunch of Bud
• 42:34
  Light beers. And they had gone down by the
• 42:37
  railroad tracks, had a little fire and they, you know,
• 42:39
  whatever. And this is like the first time
• 42:41
  for us to confront that, right? So I then interrogated him like
• 42:45
  a lawyer and I got it out of him that, you know, he had paid for
• 42:48
  it. And, you know, it's a lot of
• 42:49
  like sort of obfuscate, you know, just sort of, I didn't do
• 42:51
  this, I did that, OK. And I asked him on the podcast,
• 42:54
  why do you lie? And he said, because when you do
• 42:57
  the calculation of the chances of getting caught versus telling
• 43:00
  the truth and the ramifications of getting punished for telling
• 43:04
  the truth, you take the odds of lying and getting caught for
• 43:08
  lying. And which I think is exactly
• 43:10
  what you. Just saying with the guilt of
• 43:11
  lying, you know, you're like, I'll take that rather than.
• 43:14
  Did you feel guilt? I don't.
• 43:15
  I don't know if somebody at that age feels guilty.
• 43:17
  Did you feel I. Did I did honestly feel guilty?
• 43:19
  I'm not just saying that for sympathy points, but I doubt you
• 43:21
  know, you feel bad when you a lot of your parents and it's
• 43:24
  it's designed for you to lie, I guess you could say.
• 43:26
  Yeah. And and I was fascinated by
• 43:29
  that. And, and, and when you when you
• 43:33
  did the drugs, I guess it's sort of just alleviated all of that.
• 43:35
  You were sort of took you away from all of that and just it was
• 43:38
  obviously self medicating and just you were able to relax or
• 43:41
  feel relaxed. And there was a level of self
• 43:43
  medication. There was also a level of doing
• 43:47
  something radical and doing something to get outside of
• 43:49
  myself and comfort self. Yeah, what is I had a friend
• 43:54
  who's in a a ultimately died, literally killed himself from
• 43:57
  drinking. And I remember visiting him and
• 43:59
  he was in denial. It was all these other people.
• 44:01
  He was literally was that line, like they got it.
• 44:03
  I did you get anything out of being in those different
• 44:07
  facilities? Did you?
• 44:08
  We were able to take anything away long term.
• 44:10
  That's helping you. You know what I really took
• 44:13
  away? And I, and I usually bash the
• 44:15
  programs a, but I'll say something positive, which is
• 44:18
  the, the, the feeling of, OK, there's other people out here
• 44:23
  that suffer from the same thing that I suffer from and they're
• 44:26
  willing to talk about it. And that's why I think we did
• 44:29
  this movie is because we feel it's important to be upfront
• 44:32
  about this sort of stuff. So how was it?
• 44:35
  I can imagine just me directing my son's work and then putting
• 44:38
  my butt in my nose in. And you're obviously a great
• 44:40
  writer. So did they wrote the
• 44:44
  screenplay? He was 22.
• 44:46
  Here you maybe tweeted in place 30. 2 now.
• 44:48
  With them, I mean, over the course of a year, you know,
• 44:50
  helped. Was it hard to not to give him
• 44:53
  his space, you know, and and and maybe, you know, want something
• 44:59
  to be changed, but leave it alone because he really felt
• 45:01
  strongly or how did that? How and how was it for you
• 45:03
  working with? Yeah, we hashed everything out.
• 45:05
  I mean, some things became fights, other things, you know,
• 45:08
  we we hashed it out. You.
• 45:09
  Told me something that was really fascinating.
• 45:11
  Yeah, I wish they sort of hashed out whatever happened at Conor
• 45:15
  O'Brien's party. I I think that he was in the
• 45:18
  deep. I think he was deep in a
• 45:21
  psychotic break. I really do.
• 45:23
  Everything clicked after that. He was like, there's one person
• 45:26
  on the set that has to make the the final decision whether it's
• 45:29
  right or wrong, it has to be made and that's the director.
• 45:32
  And so after I heard that, I was like, OK, I'll do what he wants
• 45:35
  me to do. I'll try my best on it.
• 45:37
  But ultimately it's up to him what goes gets into the movie.
• 45:39
  But the. Other The other thing was there
• 45:42
  were times when, you know, Nick would fight for certain types of
• 45:45
  things and, you know, my first instinct was I have a lot more
• 45:50
  experience. But then as I as we went along,
• 45:52
  I realized that, yeah, I may have a lot more experience
• 45:55
  making movies, but I don't have a lot more experience on this
• 45:58
  particular subject and particularly what the young guy
• 46:02
  is going through. So, you know, I told him many
• 46:05
  times he's the heart and soul of the film and he would have
• 46:08
  better insights as to what Charlie was experiencing then I
• 46:12
  would and I would defer to him a lot of time.
• 46:15
  And, and were you surprised to hear the things that he didn't
• 46:19
  understand about you or didn't did, did or did understand about
• 46:24
  you when you were going through that as a result of the the
• 46:26
  process of writing and making the movie?
• 46:28
  We both had no idea where we each other were coming from, but
• 46:32
  then we. Come on in room she just Yeah,
• 46:36
  it's a. Blockage.
• 46:38
  Is that that's your. That's that's, that's our
• 46:41
  daughter. That's Romy.
• 46:42
  Come in, you want to be on? Oh, this?
• 46:44
  Is not. About me, all right.
• 46:47
  How old is she? She's 18.
• 46:49
  All right, nice to meet you. Are you going to college next
• 46:52
  year? Where?
• 46:56
  Oh, yeah, I ski up there. My buddy John Fitzpatrick has a
• 46:59
  house up there. Yeah, it's good.
• 47:02
  It's great. Good skiing, and you'll probably
• 47:04
  get discount passes to go ski. That would be good.
• 47:07
  Nice to meet. You're welcome to come on and
• 47:09
  talk if you want, about anything, whatever you want.
• 47:12
  That's about anything. It's loose.
• 47:14
  It's a podcast. That's the beauty of it.
• 47:15
  So you were saying sorry that you, you, you what?
• 47:20
  You sort of took away from his interaction with you over the
• 47:22
  script in the film. Romy, by the way, is who we
• 47:25
  understand discovered her parents.
• 47:29
  So she was 18 here, should be 28 now.
• 47:33
  She's the one that we understand discovered her parents.
• 47:36
  It's unclear if she lived on the property or across the street.
• 47:40
  I, I think it was probably across the street in their
• 47:45
  family compound. They had a couple of they had a
• 47:48
  guest house, they had some staff rooms and like a one, oh, oh,
• 47:53
  oh, oh, square foot home. So it was quite the nice place.
• 47:57
  But we also understand that across the street there was
• 47:59
  another home owned by the Reimer family, Reimer, Reiner family.
• 48:05
  And I think that she lived across the street least that
• 48:09
  that's what I think. I don't know that yet.
• 48:11
  We like, we both learned what each other went through during
• 48:15
  that time. But really the thing I took away
• 48:17
  from it was I got to see him in his element sort of directing
• 48:21
  and do all these things. And when I said that in the
• 48:23
  past, people would be like, well, weren't you on movies?
• 48:25
  That's before. But it's different because it's
• 48:28
  something I wrote, it's my dad, and it's something that we're
• 48:31
  collaborating on. And I saw he has sometimes a
• 48:34
  hard time expressing himself through just conversation, but
• 48:38
  through his. What do you mean by that?
• 48:40
  Because it seems like he's very expressive through conversation.
• 48:42
  Well, we're on a show right now, but.
• 48:45
  Oh, really? No, but he's he's pretty.
• 48:48
  Quiet in. He's he's, he's quieter, but
• 48:50
  he's still, he's listens. He's a great dad and like, I
• 48:53
  just mean that. Listen to that.
• 48:54
  He's best explaining himself when he's in his element make.
• 48:58
  He's a great dad. 10 years from now, young man, you're going to
• 49:02
  stab him to death, allegedly. A movie showing his how much he
• 49:07
  cares through that. Way.
• 49:08
  Do you think that that's the reason you do what you do?
• 49:11
  Because you. Emily, I like this comment.
• 49:14
  It kind of doesn't matter if he was psychotic.
• 49:15
  You're responsible for your own mental health.
• 49:17
  You don't brush your teeth, they rot.
• 49:19
  Don't stay in treatment, drug or mental.
• 49:22
  This Canada has happened. Yeah.
• 49:23
  And by me saying that it's. I'm not trying to find an excuse
• 49:27
  for him. I'm trying to find an
• 49:29
  explanation. I'm trying to find the motive,
• 49:32
  you know, and as as we all know, the motive doesn't really
• 49:35
  matter, not legally speaking. However, I mean to to the
• 49:42
  curious nature in all of us, we care why why would he do this?
• 49:47
  I mean, he is on this podcast 10 years ago going he's a great
• 49:50
  dad, he's a great dad. I have loving parents and 10
• 49:55
  years later he's going to allegedly, reportedly stabbed
• 50:00
  them to death. So seeking the why is what I'm
• 50:07
  doing here not as an excuse, or maybe I mean I probably used the
• 50:12
  wrong word, not even as an explanation, just so that we can
• 50:16
  understand why, right? Of course, again, legally
• 50:20
  doesn't have to be. Need you're Jewish?
• 50:22
  I'm Italian. I think we're very much alike it
• 50:24
  a lot of ways. We grew up in a neighborhood
• 50:26
  that was all Jews in Italian. Yeah, in the Bronx, yeah.
• 50:29
  Yeah. So it's very expressive in this.
• 50:31
  You guys have all the money. But other than that, where this
• 50:33
  is. But I I do mean that.
• 50:35
  You guys got the must? Yeah, exactly.
• 50:37
  We we, we make a good team. Do you think that in a some
• 50:42
  subconscious weird way or life sort of aligning up for you that
• 50:46
  Rob you, this business has helped you be be able to
• 50:50
  converse with people when you couldn't do it off camera?
• 50:52
  And I think so. I think so.
• 50:54
  I mean, listen, no matter what you know, area you're going,
• 50:58
  whether you're a writer or a musician or an artist or a
• 51:01
  filmmaker, it's a way of expressing yourself.
• 51:05
  And sometimes it's, you can express yourself through your
• 51:08
  work a lot easier than you can, you know, in real life.
• 51:12
  And I think that's one of the reasons people do what they do.
• 51:15
  It's a way of getting their feelings out, their thoughts
• 51:17
  out. And they put it out either on a
• 51:19
  canvas or a piece of paper or a piece of music.
• 51:21
  Yeah, that happened to me. I was doing these Big M and A
• 51:23
  deals. But then I started writing as a
• 51:25
  hobby and I made some short films and one of them got into
• 51:27
  the Aspen Comedy Festival. And then that led to stand up
• 51:31
  and I liked the idea of writing something.
• 51:33
  And I initially I got into this because on a lark I went to see
• 51:36
  Jay Leno at a private function and I had all these jokes
• 51:38
  written and I gave him the jokes and he called me the next day
• 51:41
  and said I'll hire you to start sending jokes in for The Tonight
• 51:43
  Show. That happens a lot of time, you
• 51:45
  know it's. Crazy.
• 51:46
  Two guys who worked on The Odd Couple and then on Laverne and
• 51:51
  Shirley, you know, Logan's and Mark Wothman, they they wrote a
• 51:56
  screenplay for a thing, I mean a television thing.
• 51:59
  And Mark was Mark's father was a limo driver for Jack Klugman and
• 52:04
  says here my son then is really wrote this.
• 52:07
  What do you think? And they hired them saying.
• 52:09
  Yeah, and then he did my joke the only week, and it was that.
• 52:11
  Must have been the thrill. Call me up.
• 52:13
  You wrote come out on the. Calls me up that day goes hey,
• 52:16
  it's Jay. I'm going to do I go why are you
• 52:17
  calling? Yeah, it's like, why are you
• 52:19
  calling me? Don't you have people that have
• 52:20
  people that have people that goes Nah, I like to keep in
• 52:22
  touch. I'm going to do your joke
• 52:22
  tonight so I got a bottle of champagne.
• 52:24
  I don't want to make this about me and.
• 52:26
  Diddy, Diddy, Diddy you. Did it?
• 52:28
  Yeah, did it real well. And my head exploded.
• 52:30
  You paid me $50.00 for this joke.
• 52:33
  Now I'm a middle class Italian kid from Rhode Island.
• 52:35
  I'm working on these billion dollar merger deals.
• 52:38
  They pale by comparison. And then I started to go do the
• 52:41
  stand up and I was living a secret double life.
• 52:44
  Look at his face. On Wall Street by day and at
• 52:46
  night, I would sneak around the dive bars, working open mic
• 52:48
  nights in my little suit and tie.
• 52:50
  And there's a whole. And then I was, I was very lost
• 52:53
  in my life for a few years because I thought I had my whole
• 52:56
  life figured out. Like I'm going to be a partner
• 52:59
  at the firm and I'll retire in Florida.
• 53:01
  And then this passionate thing hits me with it.
• 53:04
  So there's that choice. Do I stick with the money or do
• 53:07
  I go where I'm passion? There's no money and I couldn't
• 53:10
  make it. This decision and I was scared
• 53:12
  to death and I was like looking to anybody for advice.
• 53:15
  And it was a very, very I, I went through a midlife crisis in
• 53:17
  my 20s, late 20s. It was ridiculous.
• 53:19
  But so you're you're you're working on another screen.
• 53:24
  He was he was living in the guest house.
• 53:26
  And what was it about this that you thought could be a comedy?
• 53:31
  Well, because and the people that see this movie that I've
• 53:34
  been to rehab, there's funny stuff that happens and there's
• 53:38
  funny stuff that said. And you know, like he said, my
• 53:43
  first instinct is to make this a comedy, but he was one to bring
• 53:47
  the more serious element to it. But there's definitely funny
• 53:51
  stuff that happens. And there's funny stuff in the
• 53:52
  movie. You see the movie.
• 53:55
  I mean, there's a lot of big laughs in there.
• 53:56
  There's a couple of really funny scenes.
• 53:58
  Is it hard to reveal that stuff for you?
• 54:02
  That would seem to be hard for me.
• 54:05
  It's not hard to reveal that stuff.
• 54:06
  It's only hard to reveal that stuff to then get told you're a
• 54:10
  spoiled white rich kid and it's like, OK, maybe all these
• 54:14
  things. Well, who?
• 54:15
  Who would say that to you? Not your dad, no.
• 54:16
  No, but the world, you know, listen, I, I had to talk to him
• 54:21
  about this. Listen, I know what it's like to
• 54:23
  be the son of and to have people assume certain things about you
• 54:28
  and it's. Very difficult.
• 54:29
  How did you handle it? Well, I mean.
• 54:32
  I mean, obviously you didn't go to drugs, but you had must have
• 54:34
  had those issues. Your father's an icon, 60s.
• 54:36
  There was plenty of drugs around, but I you just have to
• 54:41
  know what you do and that you have to block out all that
• 54:44
  extraneous noise. And it's hard for him because
• 54:46
  this is the first time he's, you know, all of a sudden there's a
• 54:49
  lot of attention. People are talking and, you
• 54:52
  know, he has the double whammy he's got me and he got his
• 54:54
  grandfather. And they're going to say
• 54:56
  whatever the heck they want, but they don't know.
• 54:58
  They don't know what he's experienced.
• 54:59
  They don't know what he's gone through.
• 55:00
  They don't know why he's done what he does.
• 55:03
  And that you know, and it's pretty dumb.
• 55:05
  Pretty. Ignorant.
• 55:07
  Just because you're, you know you're.
• 55:10
  It's actually beautiful. But look how defensive Rob is of
• 55:14
  his son. He's he's coming to his defense.
• 55:18
  And I mean, I wonder how. I wonder how many times over the
• 55:26
  years there were fights between Nick and his parents and it just
• 55:29
  turned out, it turned out OK, right?
• 55:34
  It turned out without any blood spilled, without any, you know,
• 55:38
  swinging punches or blows or anything like that.
• 55:41
  And did the Rhymer Reiners think that that that night was no
• 55:47
  different? Money that doesn't mean
• 55:50
  anything. You know, people have their own.
• 55:52
  Human beings are complicated, messed up.
• 55:55
  And also, it's like the Kardashians can go shopping and
• 55:58
  complain about how there's no air conditioning in the fucking
• 56:00
  store and you know no one bashes them.
• 56:04
  It's like I wrote a movie about doing drugs and having a hard
• 56:07
  time and people still, you know? People have really said stuff
• 56:10
  about. That Oh yes, that's.
• 56:11
  Insane to me, absolutely. Yeah.
• 56:14
  Yeah, but you have to keep yourself focused and know what
• 56:16
  you do, know what you do. This is what we set out to do,
• 56:20
  right. And I told him, you know why
• 56:21
  we're making the movie. I said, I, I, you know, I don't
• 56:24
  care what happens. I don't care if, you know, they
• 56:27
  they people, they don't even see the movie.
• 56:29
  And nobody wants to say, I said, we're winning.
• 56:30
  We are winning. Yeah, because we're we're, you
• 56:33
  know, we're throwing ourselves into our work.
• 56:35
  Yeah. And, and good things are coming
• 56:37
  out of it and hopefully it can help some people because we've
• 56:40
  been on some shows that we were on a show the other day on.
• 56:42
  That moment right there where he's looking down, his mouth is
• 56:46
  open, that that just looked like he left.
• 56:52
  The moment doesn't it just looked like he left.
• 56:56
  On NPR, where people were calling in and we're saying
• 56:59
  thank you so much for, you know, sharing your story.
• 57:02
  And they were telling us about what they were going through.
• 57:05
  And so if you can be helpful in that way, then then that's good.
• 57:08
  And that must be good for you, Nick, to hear that because it
• 57:11
  counteracts the negativity of people saying, oh, you're just a
• 57:14
  privileged white kid and who why?
• 57:16
  You know all of that, right? I would imagine when you know
• 57:18
  you're touching people that way. Exactly.
• 57:20
  And yeah, that that's what we do it for us to start that
• 57:24
  conversation. Do you, do you see yourself like
• 57:27
  in this business now in some capacity or is this sort of just
• 57:30
  you look, you're young, how old are you?
• 57:32
  22. All right, so you're young.
• 57:34
  I was in my late 20s instead of complete career shift.
• 57:37
  So is this just get this out and you want to go somewhere else
• 57:41
  with your career or do you even know?
• 57:43
  And not that you have to know, it's young. 22 is young.
• 57:46
  When I first started working on it with him, I was like, Oh my
• 57:48
  God, I want to do this forever. And then?
• 57:50
  Let me just pause for a second, guys.
• 57:52
  We pride ourselves in this community of being the best chat
• 57:57
  on YouTube. We're the best behaved, right?
• 58:00
  You can, you can express your opinion, but do so respectfully
• 58:05
  and an understanding that not that not everybody is going to
• 58:11
  share your opinion. OK, so if I'm seeing comments
• 58:14
  like this from our lead moderator, the comments are off
• 58:17
  the wall. That means they're having to
• 58:19
  work hard to protect our live chat.
• 58:21
  Please don't be that person. Please, please, please, please,
• 58:25
  please. OK.
• 58:26
  I think I, I saw an earlier comment that was that was the
• 58:32
  same kind of thing like what is going on in in the live chat
• 58:37
  tonight. Please, please stop If, if you
• 58:44
  are the problem, OK, We, we, we welcome your feedback.
• 58:49
  We welcome your comments. Just make them respectful and
• 58:53
  understanding of other people. That's, that's all I'll say, OK.
• 58:57
  And then my moderators know what to do if if people can't, can't
• 59:01
  abide by that. We started doing some of this
• 59:03
  stuff and I started to catch some heat for, you know,
• 59:05
  whatever. Like on Twitter and stuff like
• 59:08
  that, like. I don't want to do this at all.
• 59:10
  Like this sucks and then but now I'm like, you know, he gets it
• 59:14
  even when he goes on The Tonight Show.
• 59:15
  Whatever, you're the son of Carl, right?
• 59:17
  So it's just the nature of it I guess.
• 59:20
  Liv they still call me me dead. Absolutely.
• 59:23
  Matter of what? By the way, I had Norman Lear on
• 59:25
  the podcast and he talked about how great you were and he talked
• 59:30
  about Norman was the best. The show, 1 of the episodes was
• 59:32
  so huge. It had like 60 million viewers.
• 59:35
  And there was a people went to the bathroom and the water table
• 59:38
  changed in New York when they went through.
• 59:40
  Yeah. Oh my God, I didn't know that.
• 59:41
  Yeah, that. Means the people went to the
• 59:43
  bathroom, they were all flushing in the toilet.
• 59:45
  Literally millions and millions of people.
• 59:47
  Yeah. And he said, you had said real
• 59:51
  quickly as we wrap up, Rob, that Carroll O'Connor was a, a
• 59:56
  support person for you in terms of like helping move you toward
• 59:59
  directing and well. Not not moving me towards
• 1:00:01
  directing, but he taught me a lot about acting and that was
• 1:00:06
  that if the script is good, if there's a good story, the actor
• 1:00:10
  doesn't have to do that much. You have to just deliver it.
• 1:00:13
  I mean, you don't have to do any kind of, you know, handsprings
• 1:00:17
  and pyrotechnics with your, with your emotions and acting.
• 1:00:19
  Let the let the story and the dialogue support you.
• 1:00:22
  And that was a bad that was great advice.
• 1:00:24
  I want to end on just a very funny story that I heard you
• 1:00:27
  tell, if you don't mind telling it, and it's the Mary Tyler
• 1:00:30
  Moore story with where you touched it, I talked.
• 1:00:34
  About on that con, Colbert. Yeah, and that's a true story.
• 1:00:37
  Do you mind telling it real? Quick, I don't mind.
• 1:00:39
  I mean, it happens. I mean, it's not, I'm not
• 1:00:42
  telling tales out of school because Mary talks about it in
• 1:00:44
  her book and she's actually told a story on the Letterman show.
• 1:00:48
  I was 14 and I was like, my hormones were raging and Mary
• 1:00:53
  Tyler Moore was like this really sexy.
• 1:00:56
  She was 2425, you know, she had those hot Capri pants and very
• 1:01:00
  skin tight. And I don't know what possessed
• 1:01:02
  me, but I just went and grabbed her, grabbed her tush, just gave
• 1:01:06
  her grab, you know, and I, I. Do that like.
• 1:01:08
  The devil was making me do it and my father called me into the
• 1:01:12
  office. And definitely don't do that.
• 1:01:13
  You all right, young men that are watching that?
• 1:01:15
  Mary Tyler Moore by the Tush and I Yeah.
• 1:01:19
  And he had a big smile on his face and said don't ever do that
• 1:01:21
  again. That's my boy.
• 1:01:24
  Well, it's a really great story and I wish you much success,
• 1:01:30
  Nick. And it seems like things are
• 1:01:31
  going great and maybe you write a movie for me and I'll get a
• 1:01:34
  little part in it or something like that.
• 1:01:36
  And about. A about a father who who hounds
• 1:01:39
  his kid to play baseball. No, you know what?
• 1:01:41
  We'll get your sister and it's he hounds his, his kid who's his
• 1:01:44
  daughter about skiing and being on a ski team in Bennington.
• 1:01:47
  So we'll all be in it. And then you And then your dad
• 1:01:50
  shows up and he's the old crusty ski guy that lives in a lodge
• 1:01:54
  with no heat. Wait a minute, I think you're on
• 1:01:56
  to something. And there's no and there's no
• 1:01:58
  plumbing. But he has the wisdom.
• 1:02:00
  He was burned by the spotlight of being an Olympic skier, but
• 1:02:04
  now he has the wisdom of life to impart on the three.
• 1:02:06
  Everybody's scared of him because they think he's
• 1:02:08
  something, that he's a monster, but he turns out to be the.
• 1:02:11
  It's like the Home Alone guy we're.
• 1:02:12
  Going to call that good, right. But that that is the, I mean,
• 1:02:17
  that was 10 years ago, not quite 10 years ago, right?
• 1:02:21
  And yeah, there were just moments in there where he tuned
• 1:02:25
  out. There were some moments in there
• 1:02:27
  where he's talking about how much he knows his parents love
• 1:02:31
  him, about how much you know, his, his dad is so great and
• 1:02:35
  everything. And then within, well, a little
• 1:02:38
  more than 10 years or not quite 10 years later, his parents are
• 1:02:43
  dead, having been stabbed to death by, according to the LAPD,
• 1:02:49
  in the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office by
• 1:02:52
  their son, Nick Reiner. It's just, it pushed the right
• 1:02:58
  button. Gavin, huh?
• 1:02:59
  It's not going to the right button.
• 1:03:00
  Let's see. He Porque, no, Porque.
• 1:03:04
  I'm trying to get this here. I'll just there we go.
• 1:03:13
  And for some reason, my buttons stopped working.
• 1:03:16
  Let me let me fix this real quick.
• 1:03:20
  There we go. I just sorry, guys, let me let
• 1:03:26
  me fix my buttons. So, yeah, less than 10 years
• 1:03:30
  later, they would be dead on the floor of their Brentwood
• 1:03:33
  mansion, having been stabbed to death, according to the LAPD, by
• 1:03:37
  this man, Nick Reiner. Now, we've been going about an
• 1:03:42
  hour. I've still got a little bit to
• 1:03:44
  go because we got some headlines.
• 1:03:48
  True crime. Headlines.
• 1:03:56
  Pow. OK, for the headlines tonight,
• 1:03:58
  we're sticking with the Rob Reiner, Michelle Singer story,
• 1:04:01
  OK. Because there's so much going on
• 1:04:04
  there. And I told you guys that I would
• 1:04:06
  be touching a couple things, and this is where we're going to do
• 1:04:08
  it. Yeah.
• 1:04:11
  Nick Reiner hires lawyer Alan Jackson after his arrest.
• 1:04:15
  This is according to The Hollywood Reporter.
• 1:04:18
  It's been, it's been reported several other places.
• 1:04:23
  Let's see Nick Reiner under arrest for the murder.
• 1:04:25
  After the murders of his parents, Rob Reiner and Michelle
• 1:04:28
  Reiner has hired criminal defense attorney Alan Jackson
• 1:04:31
  for legal representation. Jackson on Tuesday, this very
• 1:04:35
  day, today confirmed to the assembled media while walking
• 1:04:38
  into a December 16th hearing before the LA District Attorney
• 1:04:42
  that he was representing Nick Reiner.
• 1:04:44
  He added Rob Reiner's son did not attend his scheduled
• 1:04:46
  arraignment hearing as he had not yet been medically cleared
• 1:04:50
  to be transported to the courthouse, which we also heard
• 1:04:53
  from the District Attorney. LA Bass.
• 1:04:57
  Jackson recently secured an acquittal for Karen Reed for
• 1:05:00
  second degree murder and manslaughter charges during a
• 1:05:02
  retrial and has also represented Weinstein, Spacey and their own
• 1:05:06
  sexual assault trials. As a former assistant head
• 1:05:09
  deputy for the Major Crimes Division in the Los Angeles
• 1:05:12
  County District Attorney's Office, Jackson secured a murder
• 1:05:15
  conviction for music icon Phil Spector.
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  So there's Mr. Jackson, we all recognize what he looks like.
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  He is an accomplished prosecutor, very accomplished
• 1:05:26
  defence attorney, defence attorney to the stars, maybe one
• 1:05:29
  of the most expensive attorneys in the nation.
• 1:05:33
  I, I haven't called the office to see what his hourly rate is,
• 1:05:35
  but I imagine it is astronomical.
• 1:05:40
  Moving on, we've got a few TMZ stories now.
• 1:05:42
  Again, it's TMZ, right? But sometimes they do good
• 1:05:47
  reporting. And so I'm just going to go
• 1:05:49
  ahead and read these, OK? Nick Reiner interrupted.
• 1:05:52
  Bill Hader at Conan O'Brien's Christmas party report alleges.
• 1:05:56
  I don't know if you guys watch or listen to Conan O'Brien Needs
• 1:05:59
  a friend, but his Christmas party is the talk of of his
• 1:06:03
  podcast. All of his guests love the
• 1:06:09
  Christmas party that he throws. Apparently there are two major
• 1:06:12
  Christmas parties that happen on the same day every year, one
• 1:06:16
  being Conan O'Brien's. And I mean people just love
• 1:06:21
  having invitations to this. OK, so Nick Reiner was acting
• 1:06:27
  out of place according to this this I'm reading the article
• 1:06:30
  guys. Nick Reiner was acting out of
• 1:06:32
  place at Conan O'Brien's Christmas party hours before his
• 1:06:34
  parents, Rob and Michelle Reiner, were found stabbed to
• 1:06:37
  death in the couple's home. And now there's a report of a
• 1:06:40
  strange interaction that concerned partygoers.
• 1:06:44
  According to NBC News, Nick allegedly interrupted comedian
• 1:06:48
  Bill Hader mid conversation during the holiday gathering
• 1:06:51
  Saturday night in LA. The outlet reports Hader told
• 1:06:55
  Nick the conversation was private and Nick then slipped
• 1:06:58
  into 1000 yard stare before storming off.
• 1:07:03
  This is what Mr. Reiner looks like these days.
• 1:07:06
  As we reported, Nick also got into a loud shouting match with
• 1:07:10
  his father at the same event. In recent months, Rob and
• 1:07:12
  Michelle were struggling with how to deal with Nick as he
• 1:07:15
  continued to battle mental health issues and alleged
• 1:07:18
  substance abuse. Rob reportedly brought Nick to
• 1:07:21
  the party to keep an eye on him. And then hours after the party
• 1:07:24
  on Sunday afternoon, Rob and Michelle's daughter Romy
• 1:07:27
  discovered their stabbed and bloodied bodies at their
• 1:07:29
  Brentwood house. Rigor mortis had already set in,
• 1:07:33
  meaning they had been dead for hours.
• 1:07:36
  We're going to read what TMZ has to say about that.
• 1:07:41
  Again, it comes from unnamed sources, so we don't know.
• 1:07:46
  LAPD releases Nick Reiner arrest photos and murders of Rob and
• 1:07:50
  Michelle Reiner. So here's some images that were
• 1:07:54
  taken that were posted to Instagram.
• 1:07:56
  I clicked on the link. They are no longer there and I
• 1:07:59
  think the article mentions that. But police have released photos
• 1:08:02
  from Nick Reiner's arrest on suspicion of murdering his
• 1:08:04
  parents, Robin Michelle Reiner, and they show the alleged killer
• 1:08:08
  being handcuffed by members of the LAPD and US Marshals
• 1:08:11
  Service. In a social media post, the
• 1:08:13
  LAPD's Gang and Narcotics Division shared photos of Nick
• 1:08:16
  surrounded by cops with his hands cuffed behind him.
• 1:08:20
  Officers made the arrest Sunday night at Exposition Blvd. and
• 1:08:23
  Vermont Ave. near a train station, which you can clearly
• 1:08:26
  see in the background. A couple more images before the
• 1:08:32
  post was removed. The caption read Gang and Gang
• 1:08:36
  and Narcotics Division, US Marshall Task Force assisted
• 1:08:39
  robbery homicide Division and locating and arresting a double
• 1:08:42
  homicide suspect. And I think there's another one
• 1:08:45
  with yeah, with him on the ground.
• 1:08:46
  They, they took it seriously. Now, according to the press
• 1:08:51
  conference that we saw, they took him into custody without
• 1:08:54
  incident. But there are there are the
• 1:08:58
  photos in that article by TMZ. Looks like they're covering
• 1:09:03
  everybody's faces, including including Nick.
• 1:09:09
  So all right, last headline that I want to bring you tonight
• 1:09:13
  talks about the rigor mortis. This again from TMZ.
• 1:09:16
  Rob Reiner and Michelle were found were dead for hours before
• 1:09:19
  gruesome discovery as Nick Reiner prepares to make his 1st
• 1:09:22
  court appearance, TMZ has learned.
• 1:09:24
  Rob and Michelle had been dead for some time before their
• 1:09:27
  daughter made the grisly discovery Sunday.
• 1:09:29
  Law enforcement sources tell TMZ.
• 1:09:32
  When police arrived on the scene Sunday afternoon around 3:40 PM,
• 1:09:35
  rigor mortis appeared to have set in Rob and Michelle's
• 1:09:39
  bodies, meaning they had been deceased for hours before their
• 1:09:42
  daughter Romi arrived. Romy arrived at the house and
• 1:09:46
  found the bodies, then called police before calling longtime
• 1:09:49
  family friend Billy Crystal. Police interviewed Romy at the
• 1:09:53
  scene, continues TMZ, who by then was joined by a female
• 1:09:57
  friend. And we hear she told officers
• 1:10:00
  her brother Nick was, quote, dangerous. close quote.
• 1:10:03
  We're told she also said that Nick was living at the house,
• 1:10:06
  but he was not there when she arrived, insinuating he fled the
• 1:10:09
  scene. Sources tell us TMZ the scene
• 1:10:12
  was something out of a nightmare with the bodies butchered.
• 1:10:16
  The devastation was described as the actions of a quote madman.
• 1:10:20
  So those are the headlines that I wanted to bring you guys
• 1:10:24
  tonight. Let me check in on a couple of
• 1:10:26
  comments before we move over to our last segment.
• 1:10:29
  And let me bring up our, our victims here just to just to
• 1:10:34
  check in on, on what you're saying.
• 1:10:39
  It doesn't look like, let's see, bring this up.
• 1:10:47
  The addiction reigned supreme. And he had he did anything to
• 1:10:50
  get the money. OK, Robin has been a fanatic for
• 1:10:57
  an entire year Now. Listen, if you're going to be an
• 1:10:59
  addict, be an addict of the fin, not an addict of all the other
• 1:11:04
  stuff. And Robin, thank you very much
• 1:11:06
  for supporting me for so long. This is a tragedy, Julie Martino
• 1:11:13
  says. My theory is they were asleep.
• 1:11:17
  Terrible that the parents are paying for Nick's defense.
• 1:11:20
  Yeah. That's kind of the kind of the
• 1:11:22
  nature of generational wealth. Right.
• 1:11:30
  So in bed. But Michelle survived until
• 1:11:32
  ambulance. I have heard that.
• 1:11:35
  And so we've got conflicting information, but but I for some
• 1:11:42
  reason, I I'm kind of like leaning toward believing that
• 1:11:45
  she was long dead. But that's just that's
• 1:11:49
  speculation, right? Has nothing, nothing to do with
• 1:11:52
  fact. Let's see.
• 1:11:57
  Yeah. Sandy Mcmasters again says that
• 1:11:59
  she thought Michelle passed in the ambulance.
• 1:12:01
  That is something that has been on, has been shared online.
• 1:12:07
  I I have not found any credible source that has said that
• 1:12:10
  though. OK, let's move on, shall we
• 1:12:14
  guys? You know what time it is?
• 1:12:15
  You know what time it is. It's time for three questions.
• 1:12:18
  It's three questions with Gavin Fish.
• 1:12:25
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• 1:12:27
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• 1:12:30
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• 1:12:33
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• 1:12:36
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• 1:12:37
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• 1:12:43
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• 1:12:44
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• 1:12:51
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• 1:12:55
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• 1:12:58
  And we've had questions ranging from boxers or briefs to the
• 1:13:04
  mysteries of the universe to what should be the normal sexual
• 1:13:11
  habits of a married couple. I mean, it could be anything,
• 1:13:14
  could be anything. But let's, let's get in to
• 1:13:18
  question number one, shall we? Shall we question #1 what is my
• 1:13:24
  favorite holiday? My favorite holiday is probably
• 1:13:29
  Christmas. I think my favorite memories as
• 1:13:31
  a child surround Christmas. It is the time that we tend to
• 1:13:36
  all get together. Kimberly, who is my snuggly
• 1:13:39
  bear, my sweetie pie, my one and only.
• 1:13:41
  She and I have entered the stage of life where our children are
• 1:13:45
  on their own, are are leaving the nest.
• 1:13:48
  And we don't always get together.
• 1:13:51
  But if there is a time that we're going to get together,
• 1:13:53
  it's going to be around Christmas.
• 1:13:56
  So that's my favorite holiday. Question number 2.
• 1:13:59
  Will Kimberly. By Kimberly, you mean my sweetie
• 1:14:02
  pie and my snuggly bear? My one and only.
• 1:14:03
  Yeah. Will Kimberly ever join you on a
• 1:14:06
  live stream to give her opinion on a case?
• 1:14:11
  So my wife, bless her soul, this is just not something that she
• 1:14:18
  wants to do. And I don't blame her because
• 1:14:20
  it, it's, it's hard for a lot of people to do.
• 1:14:24
  You know, I'm not saying she's afraid of it, but I'm, but I
• 1:14:29
  know that public speaking is a thing that people fear and going
• 1:14:35
  on YouTube in front of dozens of people at a time, that can be
• 1:14:42
  intimidating. Kimberly doesn't do that.
• 1:14:44
  However, Kimberly does join me from time to time when I go to
• 1:14:49
  like for example, last year she was with me at Crime Con UK when
• 1:14:53
  we did true crime convo here in Western Pennsylvania, she was
• 1:14:57
  with me. So yeah, those are the best
• 1:14:59
  places to meet my better half. And 3rd question of the evening
• 1:15:06
  is do I have any tattoos? Do I have any tattoos?
• 1:15:11
  See this is the question where I am actually tempted to lie, but
• 1:15:18
  I already solemnly promised that I wouldn't do that so I will
• 1:15:22
  not. I do not have any tattoos, not a
• 1:15:25
  single solitary one. I am not anti tattoo, I'm not
• 1:15:31
  pro tattoo. When years ago, in fact, I think
• 1:15:36
  we were living in our first house that we bought.
• 1:15:38
  So it would have been in the 1st 3 1/2 years of our marriage.
• 1:15:41
  And we've been married 26 years now.
• 1:15:44
  People around us were getting tattoos and we're like, hey,
• 1:15:48
  maybe we should consider something.
• 1:15:50
  And we, we full on talked about it and there just wasn't
• 1:15:56
  anything that I wanted to put on my body, you know, and I maybe I
• 1:16:01
  think too deeply about it because there's some people that
• 1:16:03
  are just like, yeah, it's just another tattoo, whatever, you
• 1:16:05
  know, it doesn't really. But there's nothing that I care
• 1:16:08
  about attaching permanently to my body.
• 1:16:14
  And, you know, yeah, we have kids who have tattoos.
• 1:16:23
  It's whatever. I just not my thing.
• 1:16:27
  Not my thing. So those are our three
• 1:16:30
  questions, guys. Thank you very much.
• 1:16:31
  And remember to send in your questions to three questions at
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• 1:16:41
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• 1:16:43
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• 1:16:47
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• 1:16:50
  now, guys. Let me just check to see if
• 1:16:52
  there are any other times that you put GF in your comments.
• 1:17:01
  Emily Hart says just just give Kimberly a mic.
• 1:17:05
  She doesn't have to show her face.
• 1:17:07
  That's funny. No, I, I, I love my wife too
• 1:17:10
  much to to even ask her to do that.
• 1:17:13
  So yeah, guys, that is the show. Thank you very much for joining
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• 1:17:23
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• 1:17:26
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• 1:17:29
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• 1:17:31
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• 1:17:35
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