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The Company They KEEP (Sistas Edition) · Sistas IN Sync

• 0:12
  SPEAKER_10: Hey you guys, this is your girl Ashley.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_10: Hey y'all, this is Diamond.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_10: And we are tuning to another episode of Sisters in Sync, y'all.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_10: It's been a minute.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_10: Again, we had to roll through some technical difficulties, but we are back in what you guys say, sis?
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_10: Hey, well, um It's thundering right now.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_10: So I know Yeah.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_10: I'm I feel um feel bad if y'all hear that in the background.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_07: Oh no.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_07: Um what do I want to say?
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_07: I want to say I apologize um for our absence.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_07: Um and I take full responsibility for the technicalities that arose while we were gone.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_07: Um, but yeah, so but we are back um and we're just in time.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_07: We're back just in time because this month um it does mark our one-year anniversary of Sisters in Sync.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_07: So I'm super excited um that we could get back with you all just in time for our one-year anniversary.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_07: Um, but yeah, I'm I'm happy to be back.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_07: I'm sitting here looking at my beautiful co-host who has on a lovely uh floral number.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_07: Um who has got all of her melanated skin popping, her braids.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and yes, and then you have me who's sitting here with a white tee on.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_07: At least she likes damn.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_10: I can't even get my nails done.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_10: I'm on my green from my two greeny nails are almost grown out.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_10: I cannot wait.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_10: I've hated not having my nails on.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_10: I haven't had nails on since May the 23rd, the day of the virus.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_07: Oh my God, I would die.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_07: I'm so addicted to my nails.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_07: I would die.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_10: I did my mom's nails the day before, so I went to do mine.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_10: I had tried another glue method.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_10: I guess I didn't have enough glue, and I took all my nails off.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_10: Green.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_10: I've never had a green nail in green, like a greeny in all my years.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_10: So it's taken this long for them to heal and grow out.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_10: And I got a little bit left.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_10: So hopefully by the end of July, I'll have my nails back on because I can't.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_10: Most people say the power is in their hair.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_10: For me, the power is in my nails.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_07: Amen.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_07: I have to have my nails done.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_07: Same.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_07: Same to.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_07: Um, but I wish I had gotten a memo because you over here looking all good.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_07: Dang.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_07: I didn't know we was dressing up today.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_10: Listen, this is the outfit I had on yesterday.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_10: I'm like, ooh, I can wear it one more time before I wash it.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_10: With me, you know, I'm not gonna go, I can't go into death like I said on um Black Paradigm because right now I'm bound by what I can say.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_10: But with just going through a major life change and being at the crossroads that I am, you know, I'm happy to have free from something.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_10: But at the same time, it's kind of like maybe if I just at least look good, even if it's just for me, then that's fine because that's all I got right now.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_10: I am completely at uh ground zero with everything.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_10: No savings, no man, no prospects right now.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_10: Not working.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_10: So it's just like I don't know.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_10: I just felt I was like yesterday I went to my little line dancing class.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_10: I said, let me at least look presentable.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_10: And I felt good.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_10: Like I've, you know, but I'm still in the process of processing.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_10: So I don't know.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_10: I just, yeah.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I feel you.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_07: Um, me and one of my co-workers was just talking about that.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_07: We were saying um yesterday, we were like, man, we're gonna really try hard at the bit, like start out the school year with us like trying to take more time with how we show up, like dressing and things like that.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_07: Because when you look good, you do feel good.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and so we like, we're gonna try to stick with it as long as we can.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_07: Cause normally we'll do like the first week or two of dressing up, and then we'll start looking crazy.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_07: Um, after the second week of school, we'll just be putting on sweats and stuff and like or like school tees, like school-related t-shirts and stuff.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_07: So we're gonna, we're gonna try.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_07: We're trying to we're trying to like stretch it out as long as we can because it does make a it makes a difference.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_10: It does, it absolutely does.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_10: Well, that can throw us in that segment, sis.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_10: How you feeling?
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_10: What's going on?
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I'm um, I just came back.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_07: So I came from I just came back from a wellness retreat.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_07: It was a yes.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_07: Um, it was school sponsored.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_07: Um, my school does this every year for um different leaders in our organization.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_07: Um, they usually take anywhere from 10 to about no more than probably like 15 people um at a time.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_07: And it's leaders from other, you know, affiliates of ours as well.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_07: So other schools as well.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and so we went to Colorado, Lone Rock, Colorado.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_07: I had never been to Colorado.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and we stayed at this wellness facility.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and it was beautiful.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, it was gorgeous.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and so the way that it's set up, so everyone has their own like little, they're not like cabins per se, but it's like your own little, I guess, suite or whatever, um, on the grounds.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_07: And like up the little hill, still on their retreat space, is like a big lodge.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_07: So that's like where you have your dinner and you, you know, do your community activities and things like that in the big building.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and then there's a so there's also a spa, it's a yoga facility in there.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_07: There's a gym in there.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_07: There's like four different hot tubs outside.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_07: Um, what else?
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, it's just uh just so many different, you know, different things out there.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_07: It was just amazing.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and so I we were able to do like I did a lot of journaling.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_07: Um, there's no television um in your suite or in your like individual cabin.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_07: Um and so it was just nice.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_07: It was nice to unplug.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_07: The only people that I really talked to every day um were the kids and K Ron.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I did talk to you and TJ while I was out there, but mainly like I just really unplugged.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_07: I didn't do a whole lot of connecting with a bunch of people.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and when I was on the phone, I didn't spend a lot of time on the phone.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_07: Um because the way that we did have an itinerary.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_07: So we had things like we would have like group activities, we would have meditation in the morning, we had breakfast, lunch, and dinner was provided.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and everything was uh very clean, very clean eaten, healthy eaten, so nothing fried, you know.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_07: Um, everything was organic, uh, fish, baked chicken, a lot of greens, uh protein, steak, you know, stuff like that.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_07: Um, but yeah, man, and connecting with nature and just being one with nature, and um it was just great.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_07: One of the biggest things that we talked about was grief.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and so we also had to bring a um an ancestral something from our ancestors.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_07: We created like a uh uh an altar there.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_07: Um it was just it was just great, man.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_07: I felt really connected to nature out there.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_07: Um I I just was able to reset and I was like, yo, I want to do this every year.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_07: Like I want to come every year.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and so one of my words, like one of my check-in words out there, um, because we have circle.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_07: Um, we do like a circle check-in or whatever is a community.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_07: And one of the words I said I was feeling grateful, and they checked back in with me and was like, explain what you mean.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_07: And I was just telling them, and I got like emotional.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_07: I was just telling them, like, you know, everyone's journey can be so rocky.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_07: Like you'll have like ups and downs and stuff like that.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_07: And I just can remember times being very down and depressed, whether it was about, you know, losing my job or grieving joys, autism diagnosis, like just times when I've just been very lost and depressed.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_07: And I'm just so thankful that I didn't give up.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_07: And I just told them, like, I'm just it just feels like I'm on the other side of those things, and just even having the opportunity to go out there or be a part of an organization that cares about your mental health at a time like this is just so amazing.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, um, and so I was just, and it was all expense paid, you know.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_07: I didn't my flight was paid, my um, my stay was paid, I didn't pay out of pocket for anything.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_07: I actually took money with me and bought all of the money back, like endless snacks, endless, like whatever you need while you're there.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_07: And I was just so I was just I was just blown away.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_07: I was just really, really, really grateful.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_07: You could hike out there if you want.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_07: I chose not to.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_07: I don't, I don't hike.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_07: Um that's why I drew the line.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_07: I was like, I'm not going.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_07: Um, but yeah, it was it was great.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_07: I definitely want to go back.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I remember talking to my mom and my mother-in-law.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_07: They both was like, you ain't got no TV.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_07: I'm like, Lord, black folks.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_07: No, y'all.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_07: It is a wellness retreat.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_07: They're like, uh-uh, I couldn't survive without no TV.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_07: I'm like, y'all are crazy.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_07: Um, but yeah, I even did shit like at night I would color, man.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_07: I had my coloring books.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_07: Like it was just, it was just amazing.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_07: So, um, but yeah, so that did that.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_07: I came back.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_07: This month is my birthday month.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_07: So I turned 35 at the end of the month.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_07: It's Leo season.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_07: We are outside.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_07: Leos are outside.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I'm hoping to take a trip with the family for my birthday.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_07: I'm thinking about going to like somewhere in Florida because I want to take the kids to the beach.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_07: My mom they go to Destin every year.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_10: They love it.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_10: That's a friendly place.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_07: I've been to Destin.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_07: It just seems it gives really retirement vibes.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_07: So I thought about maybe Panama City, because I feel like that might be a bit more up and jumping, so that when the kids go to sleep, I can celebrate my birthday.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_07: So that's the plan.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_07: I'm trying to kill two birds with one stone.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_10: I was supposed to go to Destin at the end of the summer, but you know how black folks do.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_10: Everybody bailed out of the trip.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, so which I mean, with me not working, um, there was a blessing, everything worked out, but yeah, I was excited.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_10: I've never had been, so one day I gotta get out there.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_10: But yeah, I think PCB would definitely be more your speed.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I'm gonna try.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_07: We're gonna try to get out there.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_07: Um, but yeah, so I'm doing good.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_07: We're back at work.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_07: It's, you know, kids don't come back till August, but teachers are about to start arriving.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_07: So we're preparing for them for the new school year.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_07: So it's a lot of professional development.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_07: But other than that, like I feel like I'm I'm I'm doing really good.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_07: Sis, how you doing?
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_10: You know, I'm at a crossroads.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_10: It's it's hard.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_10: It's, you know, it's been um, it's been a full week today since, you know, went through that life change.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_10: And once I'm not bound anymore and my NDA expires, I definitely will be coming out right and talking about it.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_10: But um, yeah, I feel like I'm grieving the current life that I'm in.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_10: Do I feel like something better is coming?
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, but it's so hard with me being the type A and always always at least knowing myself when I tell y'all.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_10: Again, as mentioned, I have no dating prospects.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_10: I've applied before I even went through not working.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_10: I applied for 398 jobs.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_10: Um I have to Jesus Christ.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_10: I've been I I was saying the last 18 months, 198.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_10: I mean 398.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_10: Um, had a few opportunities, like either just not come through or just snatched.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_10: Um, I don't have no money.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_10: I'm in a very vulnerable state.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_10: So today was a more, I would say this was my first slow day where I just mentally just wasn't, not that I wasn't okay, but I just kind of was like a little sad today.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_10: I did catch up with a friend that I haven't talked to in a very long time, so that was great.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_10: One of my best friends.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_10: But I don't know what's next.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_10: I don't know if my next steps are in Tennessee.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_10: You know, I don't know what I'm passionate about.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_10: I I don't know what my purpose is.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_10: So I I couldn't tell you what's next.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_10: I I I don't fucking know.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_10: So I'm just I I think the duration of the summer, you know, having all my plans get canceled, then I get, you know, it's it's just it's been a lot.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_10: So I'll just ask y'all to bear with me.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_10: You know, some days I can be super high.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_10: Oh, I'm free, and some days it's just like I don't know.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_10: So I guess just the refocus of myself and just but I when I tell you I've never been in this state before, ever.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_10: So it's just it's hard.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_07: I was gonna say it sounds like it's a um a reset.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_07: Like it's a pause and reset.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_07: That's what it sounds like.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_07: Um and sometimes I feel like I I'm a firm believer in the everything happening for a reason.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and I feel like when we don't do what God has told us, like when we don't do like we don't take time for ourselves, or we don't sit down and reset and pause and reflect, things will happen where you will be made to.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_10: And I know I was definitely made to.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_10: It was something that I did not expect.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_10: So yeah.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_07: I know.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_07: I just um I'm praying for you and because I've been there, and I will say those six months were like the hardest six months that I've ever had to go through.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_07: But I'm also a firm believer that God won't put more on you than you can bear.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_07: And you have such a great support system.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and I think about like my support system when, you know, that happened to me.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and everybody just picked up the pieces, man.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_07: They just fell in line.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_07: And like it was a time for me.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_07: I spent time with my kids.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_07: I focused on my physical health, I focused on my mental health in those six months.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and really, I didn't realize I was that stretched that thin until I was made to sit down and I was like, oh, this is what it's like to read books to my kids.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_07: This is what it's like to be home and take care of them all day.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I had missed out on so much.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_07: This is what it's like to wake up and go walking, you know, when I want to.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_07: Um, so yeah, I would just say it's fucked up, but it, I just you just always gotta look at the brighter side on of things.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_07: And I know it's hard to, but just take it as a reset, like a much needed reset.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, I think about what you just said too, like you don't know your passion or what you what you what's next.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_07: This is the time, you know.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_07: This is the time where you can really pour into you.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_07: Um slow down.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_07: You you slow down and just let shit flow, man.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_07: Let it flow and connect back to you.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_07: But I'm I'm praying for you.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_07: I am, and you're gonna come out on the other side.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_07: Like I said, I'm that's my testimony.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_07: I did.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_07: I came out on the other side.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_07: Um but I think when I was in it, it was fucked up.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_07: I ain't gonna lie to you.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_10: I think the longest time I've ever been without the job ever since I started working I was 15 years old, come 32, so it's been 17 years.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_10: The longest I've ever been unemployed was two months.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_10: And it wasn't even a full two months.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_10: I would say it was like January 9th, through like oh yeah, it was two months, because it was March, yeah, so two months.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_10: That's it.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_10: Through the pandemic, through everything.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_10: I have never been unemployed, completely unemployed.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_07: And that's a and that right there, that's a lot of working.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_07: That's a lot of working without a uh a significant break.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_07: You know, and so this could really be that intentional time for you to dig deep and find out your next move.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_10: Well, on to some more sad news.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_10: Um I know you guys have heard about Nolan Wales and everything that's been going on with him.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_10: So I want to read this article.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_10: Um, we're gonna read this article, but Diamond has some really amazing insight, and I'm going to let her explain it to you once we finish.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_10: But um, I'm reading this from the NPR.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_10: What we know about the Nolan Wells, the student athlete that was found dead off the coast of Mississippi.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_10: The family of 18-year-old Nolan Wells has retained civil rights attorney Benjamin Crump.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_10: The Mississippi teenager was found dead Monday morning on Horn Island, a barrier island off the state's coast after a 4th of July weekend trip with friends.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_10: The Jackson County Sheriff's Office said the investigation remains active and ongoing and is asking for photos and videos from the northwest part of Horn Island on July 4th, where Wells' bodies were found.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_10: Particularly those depicting alleged altercations or containing images of or believed to include Nolan Wells, Sheriff John Ledbetter wrote in the statement, additionally asking for eyewitnesses' accounts and statements of any other arguments or disturbances from that day.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_10: The Jackson County coroner positively identified the body as Wells on Tuesday.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_10: Crump said in the statement that his office will conduct an independent review of the circumstances surrounding Wells' death.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_10: Nolan Wells was a beloved son, teammate, and friend who went out to celebrate the 4th of July and never came home.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_10: His family deserved answers, said Crump in the statement.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_10: They deserve the truth.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_10: We will not rest until every fact about what happened to Nolan on Horn Island is brought into the light, and we call on investigators to pursue this case with the urgency and transparency the family deserves.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_10: In a Wednesday interview with Don Lemon, Crump said the family was seeking an independent autopsy.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_10: Crump told Lemon they would be flying Wells' body to Washington, D.C.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_10: without autopsy and the spec results from it on Friday.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_10: Wells, along with a group of friends, traveled to Horn Island on July 4th.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_10: That night, his mother, Christine Walsley, reported him missing and posted on social media, writing that he was last seen on a northwest trip, northwest tip of the island around 3 p.m.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_10: The island, which is part of the Gulf Islands National Seashore, excuse me, is managed by the National Park Service and is primarily accessible by private boat.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_10: According to APR website, there is no staff, drinking water, shelters, facilities, or communication on the island.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_10: On July 6th, a National Park Service ranger found Wills' body on the northwest tip of Horn Island.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_10: Ashley Cole, a local Shashiri judge and the mother of one of Will's forces, her son, has been interviewed by the local sheriff's office.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_10: So let me keep reading before I go into that.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_10: He saw Nolan last at around 3 p.m.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_10: on July 4th.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_10: Cole wrote in a Facebook post.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_10: They left around 4 30 p.m.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_10: when the boat was taking on water and they had an issue with the bills prompt.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_10: Nolan made a decision to stay on the island and return inland later with another group of friends.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_10: Blash pumps are used to help remove excess water from the bottom of the boat.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_10: It's still unclear why Wells was the only member of the group who did not return.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_10: The case has attracted national attention online.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_10: In his interview with Don Lemon on Wednesday, Attorney Ben Crump said officials have not yet told the family if it was susp if they suspect foul play involved in Wells' death.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_10: So if you haven't seen the picture, Lola Wells was the only young black boy with a group of all white friends.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_10: And since which before we get into your portion as far as in, you know, the interview that the independent interview that you got, as a mother, as a teacher who teaches, who taught well, you're a principal now, but once a teacher and as a mother of black children, w what's going through your mind?
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_07: Um when I first I think when I first saw the image of Nolan on the boat with the other um, I guess you called them teens or whatever.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_07: Um my heart sank because he was the only black male surrounded by these white guys.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_07: Um and I was just like, I think it was just like a here we go again.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_07: And I immediately thought of he ain't alive.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_07: And it's so sad, like it is so disgustingly infuriating and sad that that's immediately where my mind went.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_07: Um, because we've seen this happen before.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_07: Um, we've seen this with, and I always get her name wrong, um Horsford.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_07: What is her first name?
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_07: I think her name is uh Tamara Horsford.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_07: Tamra Horsford.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_07: And so if you all aren't familiar with that case, please, you know, do your research and look that up.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_07: Um, but she was a black, you know, she's a black woman, was a black woman.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and she went to this gathering surrounded by, you know, all it was a sleepover celebrating a friend's birthday.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_10: She was the only black person there.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_07: Only black person there.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and she was found dead the next morning.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_07: And so I just so as a mom, as a mother, here's where I'm coming from.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_07: I was raised in a predominantly neighborhood in Norfolk, Virginia.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_07: Not a good neighborhood.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_07: No, it was not public housing or which what people would consider the projects, but it was not a good side of town.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_07: For instance, my mom, when she was a single mom, she received hood.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_07: So she purchased her town home because she was a single mom, working two jobs, low income, blasé blah.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_07: So it was other women in the neighborhood who were on Section 8 and also HUD homes.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_07: So there were a lot of single parents in that neighborhood doing the best that they could to raise their kids.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_07: Because of that, my neighborhood was filled with gang violence, drugs, abuse, teen pregnancy, the whole nine.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_07: That is not how I'm thank thankfully, I am not a, you know, single mom.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_07: I'm married.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I hold it statistic.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_07: You know, my mom is a college graduate.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_07: God bless her.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_07: Um, love my mom to death.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_07: Shout out to her, super strong woman.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_07: But I'm not in a position like she was to have to raise my kids in that space.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_07: So I think about where will Joy and KJ go to school?
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_07: Because that's not the path that we're on.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_07: And so what if they are in a situation where a lot of their kids are, a lot of other kids are not black.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_07: They're around a lot of white children.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_07: I think the biggest thing for me is conversations.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_07: You still have to have those conversations.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_07: And that conversation is you are a black young man.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_07: You are a black young woman.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_07: The way that you are perceived or looked at or viewed when you step out my front door as your mother, as your parents, your mother and father, your grandma, your grandfather is not the same way that you are going to be looked at and viewed and respected in that same way.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_07: Uh-huh.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_07: Mom, what do you mean?
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, let's talk about it.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_07: Let's talk about race.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_07: Let's talk about racism.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_07: Let's talk about what a lot of other races, predominantly white people, but other races too.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_07: Let me tell you what a lot of them will come in their mind, what they will immediately think when they see you, KJ, a black boy with locks.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_07: Let me tell you what they are gonna automatically think.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_07: They are gonna automatically think that you are lazy, that you are aggressive, that you are stupid, that you are not better than, that you're dumb.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_07: Why, mom?
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_07: Why would they do that?
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_07: Here's why.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_07: Here's why.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_07: Let's break it down.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_07: Let's talk about the history.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_07: Let's talk about where these things have come from.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_07: Let's talk about why this shit is still relevant today.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_07: Is it fair?
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_07: Is it fucked up?
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_07: Hell yeah.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_07: But has it gone anywhere?
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_07: Will it go anywhere?
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_07: I don't think so.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_07: So let me set you up for the real deal.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_07: And I think there are a lot of parents who are not having that conversation and they are just saying, I got my kids out.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_07: They're good.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_07: They're in a good school, they're on a good path.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_07: I'm a great parent.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_07: We live in a great home, we live in a protected neighborhood, they've got friends, they're they may be popular, may not be popular, but they're good.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_07: And they're not.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_07: They're not good because they are walking around with a false sense of reality, and then when shit comes up, a lot of times it could be too late.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_07: And that is what I carry around with me, is that those conversations will be had in my home and they'll always be talked about.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_07: I will always preach that, no matter where we move, no matter what school my kids go to.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_07: But I I plan on having that conversation.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_07: That you are not just KJ when you walk out, you are not just Joy when you walk out of my house, of our house.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_07: The love and the respect that me and your your family have for you is not what you're gonna find when you walk out of these doors every time.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_07: So that's where that's where my mind goes.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_07: And there was a lady on social media, it's been a lot of like TikTokers and just different people who've been covering this story, and it just stays with me.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_07: And she said, you know, we can take our kids out of these environments and stuff, but we just failing.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_07: We're failing to prepare them, we're failing to have that conversation, and I'm not doing it.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_07: I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna have that conversation.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_07: And then also, whatever happened to know, I don't give a fuck if you are 18, 19, 20, 24, 25, 30, hell 35, my age.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_07: As your mama, you tell me where you going and who you going with?
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_07: I don't think so.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_07: Nah, son.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_07: Uh-huh.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_07: If me and your daddy can't go with you, or your sister, your brother, somebody else, your cousin, somebody you know, so that you aren't the only one, you don't need to go.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_07: Nah.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_07: Sit this one out.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I'll be 35 at the end of the month.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_07: And you know, like I talked about that Colorado trip, it was only me and another black woman who was on that trip.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_07: My parents asked.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_07: I'm 35.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_07: My parents, my mother-in-law, K-Ron, my husband.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_07: Who all going on this trip?
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_07: Colorado, the mountains.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_07: You sure about that, Diamond?
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, okay.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_07: Well, yeah, you need your location on.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_07: You need to be keeping in contact with us.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_07: Um, you know, don't be going outside of that cabin late at night, watch us around us.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_07: They gave me the talk, and I am a grown ass woman.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_07: It's real though.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_07: Mm-hmm.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_07: So I just think that we are just not having the necessary dialogue.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_10: I think how do I say this?
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_10: When Obama became president, like you said, Faust is a reality.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_10: That's when it started.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_10: And as black people, as the next generation of black parents, we're definitely losing those recipes.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_10: I remember having talks when I was five, six years old, and I'm gonna tell y'all a quick story.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_10: When we had first moved to Germany, my mom let me join Girl Scouts at the time.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_10: I think I was six.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_10: This was before I turned seven.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_10: So when you start off in Girl Scouts, you start off as a Daisy, right?
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_10: And I remember I maybe went to one Daisy meeting and I couldn't understand for like we had a daisy suit.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_10: My mom let me go.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_10: But I remember her being so easy and her not wanting me to go.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_10: And I didn't understand in my six-year-old brain.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_10: But once I got there, because of the surroundings that I've been in, which I'll explain my background like Donna did hers, I was the only black woman girl in that space.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_10: And I definitely felt not necessarily isolated, but I just felt like, okay, I'm different.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_10: And I remember after that, my mom pulled me out of there.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_10: She was just a I'm I couldn't sleep the whole night.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_10: We were in a foreign country, and I was at all white sleepover, and I just was, and if I can remember correctly, I don't even remember if my mom even let me stay the full night.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_10: I don't think she did.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_10: I think she picked me up just late.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_10: But when she allowed me back in to Girl Scouts, my second grade teacher, her name was Miss Latoya Barnett.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_10: Shout out to her.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_10: She was my Girl Scout troop leader, she was my second grade teacher, and she was a black woman.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_10: Our Girl Scout troop, I think it was maybe two white girls, but all of us were either black or biracial.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_10: It was very much like, okay, you can spend the night with these girls.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_10: I know if I send your pink hair moisturizer in your bonnet at so-and-so's house with this girl, she's gonna know what to do with your hair.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_10: So it was, I remember having those talks, but I think with the new kids now and us living in a post-racial society, it's a false pretense.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_10: It's a false equivalency because now with a president like Trump, we're going back in time.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_10: You know, you got queer rights, women's rights, people losing protections that are immigrants who were so pro-Trump.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_10: But now it's just like, okay, people are getting starting to get deported.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_10: They're losing their protections out of their country, you know.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_10: Slowly and slowly by states, you're not allowed to get aborted.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_10: So why wouldn't racism apply to that?
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_10: And we're setting our kids up for it.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_10: You know, we live in the post- No, you don't.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_10: It's all whether it's overt or covert, it's always gonna be there.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_10: So growing up, I grew up in the military.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_10: Um, my military brat moved around some.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_10: I've had friends of all colors and rainbow, but I knew I was a young little black girl who had to work three times as hard because I was black, I was darker, and I was a woman.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_10: So my parents, especially my dad, always made sure the adrenals out of my head, hey, you're gonna have some challenges or hey, this is what microaggressive look like.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_10: Microaggressions, and this is what being subtly racist looked like.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_10: Because guess what?
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_10: Every black person in their workspace has to deal with it to some way, shape, or form, especially in the military.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_10: So, you know, but I lived in a house where my mom and dad only purchased black dolls.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_10: And I'm talking back in the 90s and early thousands when black dolls were more expensive.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_10: So I played with black dolls.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_10: Um, we always had black depictions of Jesus in my house.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_10: It was certain things my mom and dad only let me like, they made sure I watched Gulla Gala Island, or as I'm getting older, the pride, and then and I never understood why, but it gave me a sense of pride.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_10: You know, we celebrated black history and learning and just different little things that I was always taught as a kid.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_10: But, you know, I was surrounded by black couples.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_10: Majority of my parents' friends were black people that were married to other black people.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_10: Um, growing up, always going back to Georgia at least one time in a year, or always having people around me or kids around me that looked like me and that spoke like me, always, you know, hey, you're not representing just yourself.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_10: You're representing this family.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_10: You're representing the what's the importance of a family name?
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_10: You know what I'm saying?
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_10: So, you know, growing up in um being a military kid in the Obama era, because I was in, I was in freshman of high school when Obama first became the president.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_10: But like, you know what high school.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_10: I went to Kimwell High School.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_10: Kimwell High School was known as one of the poorest high schools in Clarksville, but I think one of the most culturally rich and diverse.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_09: Yes.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_10: But the bulk of the school, it was known as a black school.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_10: So I never had those issues or wonders, or, you know, it just was, it was just normal to see black excellence everywhere.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_10: So, and you know, I was one of a lot of my girlfriends, when I think about who I hung out with, especially my junior and senior, a lot of us came from two-parent homes, came from where we had our own rooms, came from parents that were either working or retired, came from, hey, my mom's married, or hey, like I, like my one girlfriend, granted, her, you know, her dad passed away, but she still came from a lot.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_10: You know what I'm saying?
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_10: So to go from that environment, I went to a PWI and got the biggest culture shock of my life.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_10: So that's when that sent in for me.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_10: I remember my dad, when I went through my college selection process, I went where the money was, right?
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_10: Because I got accepted.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_10: And I'm not gonna name the two HVCUs that I got accepted to that just kind of fell by the wayside and wouldn't accept my scholarship.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_10: So when I get to this other university, University of Evansville, Evansville, Indiana, they offered me the most money.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_10: I said, okay.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_10: Now, was there some opportunities that I feel like that I had being one of the few?
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_10: If I could just give you a number, it was a private liberal arts, yeah, private, not liberal arts, it was a private Christian, private liberal arts college, you know, it was a private college, right?
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_10: 3,600 kids, but out of the 3,600s, if I had to give a number at any given time, and I'm just talking about black Americans at any given time, it was maybe 50 to 70 black American kids on that campus at one fucking time.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_10: You can count them.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_10: And at like for two years that I was uh two years of the four years that I was there, it was more international kids than it was black American kids at that college.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_10: And shit, when you look at our population of black American kids that was there, damn near 40 to 50 of us was playing the sport.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_10: So it's just like, you know, you really didn't see them because they was busy being athletes in college.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_10: So that was crazy.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_10: I remember my dad was deployed, or um, he was stationed in Fort Lincoln, Missouri.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_10: So when he helped me move in, he didn't see nothing about white faces.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_10: He didn't even feel comfortable dropping me off there.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_10: He was like, hey, you could start college next.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_10: Like, what is going on?
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_10: So he was, I've always knew not to be.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_10: So for it was easy for me to go towards like, hey, who's the other black woman?
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_10: I connect, you know, I hung out with the same maybe five or six girls throughout my whole course of college.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_10: Did I have a lot of white friends?
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_10: Now I was I would consider them more associates.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_10: There was a few white people that I was cool with, but I knew I was never to be the only one.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_10: Even when I went and studied abroad, I coincided it with my best friend at the time who was a black girl.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_10: We was like, oh, bitch, we going together.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_10: We did the bulk of our traveling together.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_10: Our mothers had each other's phone numbers.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_10: Like it was that serious.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_10: When I was there, I connected with the black alumni.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_10: So yeah, it's having those talks, I believe, kept me safe.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_10: You know, frat cop frat culture in the black world is so different from black from frat culture in the white world.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_10: In the white world, you can get raped by somebody at a frat party, but because his dad is an appointed donor, or because his dad, you know, has a certain status, that fraternity won't get shut down.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_10: But the hazen allegation will permanently shut down a frat, a black frat.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_10: You know what I'm saying?
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_10: It was these things that I've seen being, and then it's just like, you know, participating, and I was a very involved costume.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_10: I was um, I worked in radio.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_10: I was the orientation leader, I was a part of the Blaster Union.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_10: So I'm sitting on some of these boards and running in certain circles of people, and I see shit every day.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_10: It would be sometimes where people forgot I was the only black person in the room because they consider black people invisible.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_10: So some of the shit that that was that was said around me was fucking nuts.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_10: I remember being in a philosophy or a debate or whatever class that I'm in, where it's a big group of people and everybody has different opinions, and I'm sitting here really thinking about what I'm saying because I'm one of the only black people out of fucking 80 in one class of what I say represents the entire race of people.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_10: You know what I'm saying?
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_10: Or people say, oh, you know, I never met a you.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_10: I literally met, I can name you 10 kids right now that I met and never seen a black person in their life.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_10: They're small, little bitty ass towns of Indiana.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_10: There was no black people, the only thing that was black in that town was the asphalt.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_10: So it's it's very dark, it's it's very damning.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_10: And when I heard the story, initially I just was listening to another podcast that I enjoy.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_10: But when I saw the picture, my heart instantly sank.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_10: I knew what the results was gonna be.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_10: As shitty as that sounds, I said, Lord, they didn't kill this boy.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_10: And it doesn't help that one of the boys, his mother's a judge, one of the boys, parent works for a police department, one of the boys, their parent is a Lord.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_10: So it's just like, you know, they're gonna get off.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_10: There's nothing that's gonna be done.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_10: But it's just like, damn, again?
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_10: So if you know, I my my nephew is too.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_10: I'm not a mother naturally yet.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_10: My nephew is too, and I think about the talks I'm gonna have with him.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_10: That's right.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_10: You know what I'm saying?
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_10: I think about my goddaughter, who right now she's four years old, beautiful, bubbly.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_10: But what if, you know, I I have to have a talk with her?
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_10: That's right.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_10: You know what I'm saying?
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_10: So it's it's just it's damning, but y'all, I really want y'all to tune in to what Diamond is saying.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_10: She has she got an exclusive interview from a family member of hers that I really think that y'all should listen to.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_10: So, Diamond, please go ahead.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_07: Um, when I heard about this particular, when I heard about the incident um with Nolan, I um I immediately thought of my cousin.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_07: So my cousin is about seven years older than me.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_07: And the way that we are related, so my great-grandma, she had 14, 14 kids, seven girls, seven boys.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_07: And his grandmother on his father's side um is my grandmother on my mother's side, they're sisters.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_07: So grandma Barbara, which is my grandma, and then Aunt Sue, which is his grandma.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_07: Um, his grandma was older than mine.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and so she was the oldest sister.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_07: I actually have pictures of the two of them.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_07: Um, his grandma like holding my grandma.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_07: It's so crazy.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and so people she will because they were so far apart in age, people will often think that that was her daughter.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and so really super close uh siblings and everything.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_07: Um but me and my cousin were brought up very differently.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_07: Um his mother and father, my cousin Phil, or Uncle Phil, um, and Aunt Vicky.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_07: Um Aunt Vicky is a school retired school teacher.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_07: She was a school teacher then.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_07: And then my uncle Phil, um He worked for NASA.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_07: And um they were married for a very long, very long time.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_07: And they moved to a predominantly white neighborhood and raised my cousin Phil in that neighborhood.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_07: Um so, anyways, I thought when I heard the story that, you know, of what took place, I immediately thought of my cousin.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_07: He popped up in my mind.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_07: Because for all of his life, I've only known him to have white friends.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_07: White male and white female friends.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_07: I've never seen him in pictures or in, you know, face to face with like anyone black.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_07: And so, not as a like a friend, like a close friend.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_07: I just had never seen that.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_07: And so um, and I remember growing up, my grandma would say things like to his grandma, and would say things like, well, I feel always around a bunch of white, around a bunch of white people.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_07: And so Aunt Sue would kind of like blow her off and say, Well, Barbara, you know, that's their neighborhood, you know, he's fine, he's fine.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_07: And my grandma would go, okay now, but you but you know, you got to be careful and all that stuff.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_07: And so as a little girl, I'm hearing these things because just like Ashley said, you know, I was raised, you know, around strong black women who were go-getters.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_07: They were, you know, they were go-getters, they were strong, but they will also sit around and talk about the hardships and the frustrations and the shit that that would that would happen to them out, you know, in our community or at their jobs and how they were being mistreated by their white bosses and stuff like that.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_07: So these are things that I'm hearing.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_07: I'm also hearing things as I'm growing up.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_07: It's better to be seen and not heard.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_07: Um, you know, you always, when you walk into a room, you hold your head high, but you know, you don't be very loud and like call a calls you know, a lot of attention to yourself.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_07: And, you know, you're a black young lady.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_07: And um, you know, my grandfather, he had a collection of black encyclopedias that he would read to me and just a lot of things.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_07: We had black, you know, I have some of my grandma's black paintings right now in my garage of Harriet Tubman, uh Rosa Parks.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_07: Like these are beautiful portraits that were in my grandmother's house that I now still have, that I had up in my classroom when I was teaching.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_07: She also had African, you know, African pictures and different things in her home that I had got when she passed away.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_07: And her and my grandpa passed away, I collected and took them into my classroom.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_07: So I was just always surrounded by this.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_07: I knew I was black.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_07: Same.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_10: I so I forgot to mention nothing but black art, black pictures, black Jesus', black figurines.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_10: My mom has a whole oh my God, Ashley.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_07: I'm so glad you said that.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_07: So, yes, my grandma collected those.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_07: And it's crazy because K Ron's grandma collected them as well.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_07: So when you come to my house, they both have been passed down to us, and they are in our home in our curio cabinet in our mom's giving me her like uh figurines.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_10: I can't wait to get them.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_10: Yes, and so it's so beautiful that Barack Obama plate.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_10: Well, yes, yeah.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_10: Like maybe a week after y'all elected, my freshman year, my mom still has her Barack and Michelle and Sasha Malia plate in her curio cabinet.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_07: She also, my grandma also had a very big portrait, not a portrait, but like a very big picture of Barack on her wall.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_07: And I think she gave it to my to my mama.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_07: Um, but yeah, I always knew I was black.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_07: Always knew that I was black.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_07: And I think it's so amazing that now that I have those black figurines, I'm so glad you said that, Ashley.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_07: Wow.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_07: Um, KJ is fascinated.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_07: He loves to look at them.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_07: He sometimes be talking to them.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_07: I think it's a little weird, but that's one of the story.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_07: My mom's.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_07: I did too.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_07: So always knew I was black.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_07: So back to my cousin, I'm like, I gotta talk to my cousin about this because I've seen him on boats surrounded by white people.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_07: I've seen him on trips surrounded by white people.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_07: I've seen him like hugged up, hanging out, and he is the only black person.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_07: And so I wanted to get his perspective because I don't know anyone else with that particular story.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_07: That's not my story.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_07: None of the friends that I have have that story.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_07: K Ron does not have that story.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_07: Did K-Ron go to a predominantly white high school?
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, but he was not raised in, he went to a black Baptist church.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_07: He, you know, his parents always made him know that he was a black man.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_07: And so I was like, I have to hear from my cousin.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_07: I don't talk to my cousin every day, and we should, you know.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_07: I will say in the last, probably like right before my grandma passed, we got much closer.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and we have gone on like trips, we've been on cruises together and trips and stuff like that.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_07: But I don't talk to him every day besides, I mean, all the time, besides like Facebook shit, you know.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_07: So I was like, I'm gonna take a leap of faith here and I'm gonna DM my cousin.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_07: I'ma just, you know, ask if I can ask him some questions.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and I said, you know, if I'm overstepping, I apologize, but I thought of you when this happened.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_07: And he messaged me back and he was like, you aren't overstepping.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_07: I'm glad and I'll call you.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_07: And it's crazy because I thought you were saying the next day, but he called me last night.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_07: And he was like, well, he texted me first, he was like, Hey, are you are you free?
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_07: And it was probably like nine, and I was like, Yeah.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_07: So I sat down with my notebook, and I just had just I wanted to hear his story.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and man, you know, the things that he told me, you know, first off, he his neighborhood, he said that um it was a neighborhood in Smithfield, Virginia.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_07: Smithfield, I got a lot of family from Smithfield.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and so that's like one of our like really, really home towns.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I have a lot of family out there, but it's super rural, super country.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_07: Um, but yeah, so this particular neighborhood, he said there was about 170 houses in this neighborhood, and there were only three black families, and he said, including mine.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_10: That's actually insane.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_07: And my mouth, I mean, and that was like one of the first things he told me.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_07: So my mouth is like hanging open, like, whoa.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_07: And so he said, um, he said, and so I said, let's talk about school.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_07: I said, so tell me about school.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_07: So he ends up going to Saint Pious.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_07: It was a Catholic, a Catholic school, and he's not Catholic.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_07: The parents wanted him in like a a private school, and so it was Saint Pious.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_07: He said that there was actually another school where he would have been the only black child, but his mom said no.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_07: And they decided to go with this school where it was only a total.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_07: He said it was probably about three or four of them in the school.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_07: That's crazy.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_07: And so he goes on to tell me as he's you know growing up, I'm like, when did you know you were black?
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_07: And he was like, Diamond.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_07: I knew I was a different color, but like as far as like race, ethnicity, culture, I had no idea all growing up.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_07: He was like, there never once was like a discussion about race in my house.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_07: And I was just like, What?
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_07: And so he also told me that he can remember going to work with both his mom and dad.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_07: And he said the interactions that he saw from white co-workers, it just seemed normal, like it was nothing was like glaring or weird to him.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_07: And so I started to, I was like, why do you think, like, why do you think your parents chose to not disclose that to you?
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_07: And he was like, I really don't know.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_07: And he was like, but I want to know now.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_07: You know, he's like, I plan on having that conversation with my mom.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_07: Um, but yeah, it was never, never disclosed to him.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_07: Um, we started then to talk about like trips he had gone on.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_07: He was like, I've gone on boats.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_07: He was like, I could have been Nolan.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_07: He was like, I've gone on boats.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_07: He was like, of course, like there aren't islands, but he was like little private beaches and stuff.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_07: He was like, I am Nolan.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_07: I am him.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_07: That could have been me.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_07: He was like, I've been there.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_07: Crazy.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_07: That's um, and he's like, and would and was just moving and maneuvering, like these are my friends, nothing strange.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_07: I'm not different.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_07: And so I asked him, I said, Did you ever feel unsafe where jokes made about you?
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_07: Did you feel some type of way?
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_07: Did something like transpire in conversation where somebody said something weird?
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_07: And he said, No.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_07: He said there was only one instance where he was like hanging out with some friends around water.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_07: I could, I don't remember if he said they were on a boat or if they were at a pool.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_07: And he said this had to be about like when he was in his late teens and somebody made a joke.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_07: A white boy made a joke.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_07: Well, I know you can't swim, and like everybody laughed.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_07: And he didn't get the joke, and he was kind of like, huh?
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_07: Like, what you talking about?
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_07: Like, what's that supposed to mean?
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_07: He was like, That's the only time.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_07: I said, So do you think do you wish you had had that conversation?
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_07: Even just about like race or being safe or you know, things like that.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_07: He said, you know, at the time when I was younger, I probably would have brushed it off, but it still would have been nice to know that I'm like basically like I'm different.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_07: Like there is a difference here.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and so then we began to talk about like the first time that he experienced racism, and he talked about being pulled over by a cop.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_07: He was in a nice car.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_07: He owned like a black Mercedes at the time.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_07: And he had to be in like early 20s, and the cop was like nasty to him and kept asking him over and over, like, who does this car belong to?
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_07: And he was like, This is my car.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I'm the owner of this car.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_07: Here's my paperwork.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_07: And he was just like, just kept badgering him about it.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_07: And he was like, That's the first time.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_07: And so he says he goes home and he approaches, you know, his parents, and he's like upset, and they're kind of just like, What?
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_07: You know, that happened, whoa, still no conversation, and I'm just like, so then we got into he got really vulnerable.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and I really appreciate him, but he talked about like identity, um, and having an identity basically like crisis growing, you know, as he got older of like, who am I?
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_07: Where do I fit in?
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I want to experience and be around more black people, but they're saying that I talk different, um, that I talk white, quote unquote.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_07: I talk white, I dress, you know, different.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_07: Who, like, who am I?
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_07: Like, what is what is going on?
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_07: And so he's basically had to figure out things as he's gone along.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_07: One major thing stuck out to me right before we close out, kind of like close out our conversation, and I brought it to present day.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_07: And he said, you know, I do have friends who on Facebook have been leaving disturbing comments under other posts and affiliating themselves with MAGA and Trump.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_07: And he's like, I'm having to do something, like some, you know, going through my mind, like that cognitive distance.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_10: I love this person, but this person's a fucking racist.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, it's it's a mm-hmm.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_07: And so that's like what he's experiencing right now.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_07: And so before we got off the phone, you know, I was just like, I love you.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_07: And, you know, as we were growing up, like I never looked at you anyways like like uh weird or different.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_07: I say you were just my cousin.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_07: Like, you know, you wore your flip-flops in the winter time, and you wore your shell tight little surfer necklaces, and that was just my cousin Phil.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_07: And I was like, I just love my cousin and wanted to see my cousin.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_07: And he was like, Oh, I love you, whatever.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_07: But he was like, I'm just so glad.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_07: He was like, Yeah, talk about this on your podcast.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_07: I don't mind.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_07: He was like, Because parents do.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_07: He was like, Ours, you know, community, we do need to be talking about these things.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_07: And he was like, now he's he recently landed a job where he's working in the school system, and he was talking about how he's been mentoring young black men.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and that's another way that we connect.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_07: And he said, you know, he's been telling them like that's crazy.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, we we connected on that, and he was saying, like, I have a lot of conversations with them about, you know, you can be upset, you can, you know, question things, but you gotta, you know, remember to be, you know, respectful and hold your, you know, your composure.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_07: And he was like just trying to kind of like teach them some methods of like decomp not decompressing, but like um just taking a beat to like calm down and like think clearly about their next decision.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_07: Don't try to like be so irrational, like based off just like emotion um as a black, as a black male, because they can be put in situations in our society where just like I said, I have conversations with KJ when he gets older of how you're automatically boxed, put in a box as a black man.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_07: And um, he says it's just been so amazing that I can be, you know, coming from his background, that he's able to have those conversations with the young black males in his school.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_07: And um, but I just I don't know.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_07: In the same sense, like I felt kind of, I felt bad, you know, like I felt bad for my cousin.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_07: And I don't know.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I don't know why his parents or my aunt, my great aunt kept him away from us.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_07: But maybe like they did.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_10: I think about it like this too.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_10: Like, especially when you I think about the show them in the first season, where both of the parents, especially when you're talking about living in the town, that white with how prominent his dad was, working for NASA, his mom being the school, his mom probably was the only black school teacher that there was at that school.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_10: Yep.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_10: That more than likely was probably the only black person that worked.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_10: And so, in a way, they were trying to cope as well.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_10: You know, it's it's it's sad.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_10: And I do think that they should have had the conversation, but again, maybe they all were coping at the same time.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I hope, like he says, he wants to talk to his mom.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_07: He was like, I'm so glad you called me.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_07: And um he was like, it's just crazy that you wrote me because things have been on my mind too, with everything that's going on.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_07: And he was like, I need to ask.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_07: I need to ask her why.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_07: You know, she decided not to disclose those things to me at a young age.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_07: He was like, he really wants to know.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_07: He's curious about it.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_07: Um, but yeah, so we left on that note, and I was like, we need to spend more time together.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_07: I talked to him about coming out here and visiting because he's single, he doesn't have kids, he's in his 40s, and um, and like I said, we've all hung out together.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_07: He knows Kron, like everything.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_07: So I just wanna I want to spend more time.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_07: I want to spend more time with my cousin, and you know, I I want him to feel like he has he has family.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_07: I want him to know that he has family that love him, care about him, want the best for him, and he's not on his own as far as like not knowing who he is or like his black side, not black side, but like you are a black man and you know you have black family that love you and will pour into you.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_07: And that plays into black people are not monolithic.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_10: All of us have different black experiences.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_10: So, you know, I shout out to your cousin, shout out to cousin Phil.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_10: I do appreciate him for giving us the permission and trusting, you know, our platform, trusting you to tell his story.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_10: Um one day I would love to interview him, hopefully.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_10: But, you know, I do I appreciate his story, but the fact that like now I think it says a lot about him.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_10: And the blackest thing that you can do is pour to the next generation of black black children.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_10: So I think it's very important that he knows, like, even though he's conducting the work within himself, he's willing to open his heart and open his love cup to pour into the next generation of young of black young men.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_10: So definitely give him kudos for that.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, so Phil, I love you.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_07: I appreciate you.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and I hope to see you soon.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, shout out to cousin Phil.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_10: That was uh, but I also ultimately before we transition to the next set segment, I do want to just say rest in peace to Nolan Wells.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_10: Um with everything that's been going on and just spiritually, if you know, you know, we will get answers.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_10: I pray that we get justice for you.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_10: Um, and I pray that your body is at peace on the other side.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_10: I'm a firm believer that, you know, depending on the circumstances around your death, when you transition tragically, I don't believe the soul's at peace.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_10: So I pray that your soul finds peace.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_10: And I pray that again we just get just and then we get answers for what happened to you because you are a child.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_10: I I do what white people do.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_10: Like, you know, I don't anybody that's under the age of 20, 21 to me is a child.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_10: You were a baby.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_10: You were just about to get your life started.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_10: And I just pray that from the other side you can get some you can console your parents.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_10: Um, I give love to his mom, his father, his family.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_10: And again, I just I just pray that in some weird anomaly that the right thing does happen.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_10: But if it don't, we uh we get the answers that you know us as a community deserve.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_10: So rest in peace.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_10: Um yeah, so to transition to a lighter topic while we're debating about blackness and how it's not monolithic, um, the conversation, and I definitely want to approach this as a women, the conversation of Young Miami versus Indy I re comes up.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_10: India I re is not feeling um, she's not feeling spin that by Young Miami.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_10: Can you find that clip that you found?
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_10: Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_10: Find that I wanted to talk about that and just kind of do some debating around it.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_02: So my stamina.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_10: Not the not the song pop.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_06: And that's the song in question.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_06: Girl, open up, I opened up TikTok and it's right there.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_06: Expeditiously.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, let me see.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_06: Here we go.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_03: There are a lot of people who are saying it's just a song.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_03: Well, if that's what you think, enjoy.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_03: But what I know is that music has power.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_03: But of course, I have used that power to help some people, and I have traveled around this world twice, and I see the impact of what we export out of the black American.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_03: Inexperience to the rest of the world, longer story for another time.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_03: I was also in the Blahoggs because I made comments about Clyde Davis.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_03: And I said, watch what kind of stories you're gonna see coming out about him.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_03: I saw my record deal when I was 22 years old.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_03: And so I learned about human nature through the lens of the music industry.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_03: So I got a full hot dose of all of it.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_00: So India Ari just dropped a video talking about her statements regarding Young Miami's spend that.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_00: She's clearing up exactly what she meant, and she's also doubling down.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_00: She also brings up Clive Davis and what she thinks about him and her personal experience.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_00: And she also talks about industry sabotage and people that made her career really hard.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_03: I don't need to go into my stories.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_03: People have far worse stories than me.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_03: I called my experiences with Clive Davis an irritation, and it was an irritation.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_07: So, really the rest of it is in her rants about, you know, Clive Davis and allegedly things that, you know, he has done.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I'm trying to see if I can find Oh boy.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_02: Hello, hello.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_07: So this is uh this is another this is another video of let me see if she's got some more to say here about uh young Miami.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_07: Let me see.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, hello, hello.
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_03: That's the Erica Batu version, by the way.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_02: Hello, hello, hey, hello, hello, hello, hello.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_03: I have marks for my glasses.
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_03: My third album, Testimony Volume.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_03: That bowl back there.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_03: And I've been in the blogs a couple times this last week, and so I wanted to come and talk about these things.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_03: Let's talk about the easy one first.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_03: It is being wrongly reported that I think we should boycott this song of the summer.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not gonna tell you what it is because I refuse to sing that song, but either you know what it is or you don't.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_03: If you don't, you can go find it.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's very easy.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_03: Um but I don't think we should boycott.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_03: What I want is to see people understand the power of words and music and to make choices that are healthy for them.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I want.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_03: Do I think it matters what I want for people?
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_03: I have finally learned that it doesn't matter, and that there's no amount of um sacrificing my life force energy that is gonna make anybody want anything better for themselves.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_03: All I can do is emanate what I emanate, stand for what I stand for, and hope that it reaches who it's meant to reach.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_03: And that's it.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_03: And that's all I'm going to do.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_03: And so my comment makes it very clear that I don't think we should boycott.
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_03: My comment is tantamount to everybody doesn't want the same thing.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_03: And there are a lot of people who are saying it's just a song.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_03: Well, if that's what you think, enjoy.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_03: But what I know is that music has power.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_04: So here's the thing.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_04: Go ahead.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_07: What in the hell if we all got choices, which we do, why couldn't you hear the song you don't like it, don't play it no more?
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_07: I think what has happened now with social media and the internet, everybody thinks that they can voice over their frustration or their and yes, you do have freedom of speech and shit.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_07: I understand that, but we don't care.
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_07: A lot of us don't like we would have been just fine if we had not heard from you about why you think this song is not a good song.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_07: You just sat right there and said it.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_07: We all have that choice.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_07: We do have the choice to click the ready, click a different station, cut the song off.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I just don't what was the I don't understand what her point was by making this video or making these comments and blasting it for everyone to see.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_07: Besides, you know, looking like a damn hater.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_07: And like I was telling you, Ashley, before we got on, there is not one genre of music.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_07: I don't listen to just trap music or just gospel music, I listen to all types of music, I read all types of books, I watch all types of shows, movies.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_07: There is a vast amount of different things that we can take in and enjoy.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_07: Just because I love gospel or just because I like spoken word or I like a Maxwell song or a common song does not mean that when SpinNet comes on, I can't jam out to it, too.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_07: Does that mean your Miami is any less than or I am any less than for wanting to jam out to it?
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_07: No.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_07: Does music have meaning?
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_07: Does music influence?
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_07: But like I told you, Ashley, I think what we have to remember too is we are the controllers of what all we take in.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_07: If I sit there and only listen to fucking hardcore rock of motherfuckers yelling, I'll cut your dick off, I'll kill you.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_05: If I listen to that shit for the next six months, and that's all I listen to.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_05: Devil, devil, whoa, war, war.
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_07: If I listen to that shit for six months or to a year, and that's all I take in all day long for the next six months to a year, and I become a fucking batshit crazy person, that's my fault.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_07: I just, I just I can't.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_07: I can't with the I just don't see the point.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_07: What was her point?
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_07: What you think, sis?
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_10: Here's my thing.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_10: I feel like two things can be right at the same time.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_10: Coming from somebody who's an India I re fan, love her down now.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_10: Through my industry connect and through an experience that I've witnessed personally with my own eyes with this individual.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_10: But I love her music.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_10: Why are we acting like our mama didn't grow up with Nikaya, Lil' Kim, Katrina?
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_10: Why are we acting like this is um what about the kids?
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_10: You're be a fucking parent.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_10: It was some shit I couldn't listen to.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_10: It was some shit my parents would turn the station from.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_10: My parents wouldn't have put me online, thinking shit's cute, telling the three-year-old to spin that shit.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_10: I have an issue with parents doing that.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_10: But at the same time, I can see India's point because again, I do think that back then when you think about music when she was relevant in the industry, like the early thousands, for every Trina and Jackie O and Kaya, not only did we have Indi, but we had Jeff Scott.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_10: We had Badu, we had Liz Wright, you know.
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_10: You had the Maxwell for every Yvonne.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_10: You had the common for every Jair.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_10: So it was a lot more balanced.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_10: I get that.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_10: But at the same time, it's just like where we are as a culture, sex and degeneracy sales, but I do feel like it is a permanent, it is a choice of what you talk of what you take in.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_10: And let's not act like, and you know, I do consider Virginia part of the South.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_10: It's Virginia is a state that could be considered East or South.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_10: Let's not act, and in the India, I think if I'm not, if I'm not correct, I think she's from Atlanta, Georgia.
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_10: Let's not act like boosters have not always been the thing.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_10: The boosters didn't start off as a scam, but then that for the single moments that couldn't afford school clothes or couldn't afford whatever she needed, you always had a fucking booster in place.
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_10: My mom used boosters all the way up until I was in college.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_10: And that's why all the boosters got locked up in, you know, different security measures.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_10: But everybody knows what a booster is.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_10: That that people miss telling us a down the time.
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_10: People have been making pussy popping music since down the time.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_10: Uncle Luke, pop that pussy, pop that coochie.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_10: Trina, I miss this girl.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_10: I got an ass so big, like the sun.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, but let's take it, let's take it even back to like, what is that, Harlem Renaissance era?
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_07: A flapper.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_07: What is a flapper?
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_10: A flapper is nipples on my tennis, just as big as this.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_10: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_10: So it's just like, let's not act like we're this, this, just we're, but then it's, I think it's so disingenuous just to come from young Miami.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_10: When one, she's not the only female doing it, but it's just like, India, I feel like young Miami was such an easy target.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_10: Now, am I the biggest young Miami fan?
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_10: No.
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_10: I hate who she associates herself with.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_10: But it's just like, I think you knew it was easy to come in her and you didn't come in the male artist because these new niggas who have no respect for them like, shut up, you old irrelevant bitch.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_10: Not that I'm calling her that just you some certain people pick on certain people because they know the reaction that they're gonna get.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_10: Correct.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_10: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_10: So it's just like, if that's not what you jail with, then that's on you.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_10: But it's just like, I just felt like, again, two things to be right at the same time.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_10: Do I feel like there needs to be, because here's the thing.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_10: It's not that that positive music isn't out there, niggas and niggas and we're not consuming it.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_10: So again, this is a consumer issue.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_10: So it's out there, y'all just ain't listening to it.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_10: However, comma, and I and you mentioned this before we got on, and this was the best point.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_10: With everything that's going on in the world, people can't even afford gas and food.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_10: If I want to sit there and just have a good time, because if spin that come on in the club or come on at the lounge or wherever, I'm gonna dance to it because it's catchy.
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_10: But in the back of my mind, that's not making me want to go to the Louis store and and jack off a bunch of bads like that mother and I did to put myself on.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_10: I don't, I've never wanted to still be a booster.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_10: So if you're that weak minded, then which a lot of the the a lot of the population are, but I'll say this as a black person that's considered woke, you can only you can only be woke when you want to be woke.
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_10: So you're gonna have that subsector of black people that's always gonna just gear towards low vibrational music.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_10: But again, everything's a choice.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_10: To a certain extent.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_10: Mm-hmm.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_07: I wish she, the point that you made about um our the industry, the music industry being saturated with, you know, low vibrational music.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_07: I wish she had come at it from that angle.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_07: You know, I wish she had talked about the balance that there was 20 years ago, you know, um, that you could turn on the radio and you could hear, like you said, comment and jaw rule, India R and Trina.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_07: Like you could, there was so much more of a vast um, I'm gonna give you one minute.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_10: When I think about now, like, I love Khalila, I love Solange, I love George Rice, I love Lizzie Birchie, I love Elmin, but the common black person between the ages of 22 to 30 wouldn't even know half those people that I need.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_10: Because I don't trust this right, alternative underground side.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_10: But again, there's not a big push of so many, there's not a big push of black people.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_10: And first of all, I have a whole conspiracy theory about RB.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_10: I feel like they just pushing the full black people out of RB.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_10: Because when you think about, like um, you know, RB is very, first of all, nobody started out in the church.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_10: RB is very biracial, and RB is starting to the average RB artist from London can get more backing than RB artists here.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_11: Mm-hmm.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_10: So for me, Coco's album was a hundred times better than the Kate Lani, but that's just a personal opinion.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_10: But I have my own conspiracy theories about that.
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_10: Like I love R Linux's new album, but she don't get no play, but Sasha Keeble does, and that's not even she's not even half-black.
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_10: But again, it's all about what you find, what you curate, who you follow, and are you willing to look for?
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_10: Because do I get stuck in older stuff sometimes?
• 1:18:47
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, because again, that that ignites my childhood, nostalgia, place where I didn't have any bills, and I was happy.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_10: But now, it's just you have to go out looking a little harder harder for it.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_09: You know, that's correct.
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_09: That's right.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_09: And I I would have loved it.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_10: A little bit.
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_04: And where you been?
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_04: Where you been?
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I mean, she's again.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_10: This is very very, very nasty to me.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_09: I'm like, Lord, just let Carisha have her little moment.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_09: Please just let her have her little moment.
• 1:19:35
  SPEAKER_07: It's like you finally got a hit that don't sound crazy.
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_07: Please let Carisha have her moment.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_07: Let her have her moment.
• 1:19:48
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:19:49
  SPEAKER_07: Why you couldn't be like one of them old ladies that sit back, not I don't mean call it old, but one of them the more mature seasoned ladies that go, bliss her heart, and just keep moving.
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_07: This was a bless her heart moment.
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_10: And you should just like when I look at like the Era for my dudes and just guys who have been very influential and have worked with a lot of younger artists who embrace because I would have even took on like if Indy I re would have said, Hey, I would like to talk to my little sister in your Miami and just ask why she makes the music she does.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_10: Mm-hmm.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_10: That sounds so different than just her approach.
• 1:20:26
  SPEAKER_10: And I don't know.
• 1:20:27
  SPEAKER_10: I just feel like you were once young.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_10: If you've always been coconut oil and berries, that's on you.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_10: But you know what I'm saying?
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_10: Yes.
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_10: And again, I'm not referencing what she says wrong because I do think, yeah, is there a push to just push low frequency music for black people?
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_10: Absolutely.
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_10: Absolutely.
• 1:20:46
  SPEAKER_10: But at the same time, it's just like, okay, girl, if you want to reach the youth, that's not how you do it.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_10: Because now you're gonna push them for like, oh fuck what her fuck what she's saying.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_10: She's not hating.
• 1:20:55
  SPEAKER_10: I'm gonna go listen, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_10: I'm gonna listen to the young Miami's, the the the whatever y'all consider low vibrational, right?
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_10: Yep.
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_10: Because baby, when I'm in the gym, low vibration, me please, because I'm not if you sit up there and put I for me, if you put on certain like you put on the NDI re lawn heel or gospel, I'm gonna be crying them up, but I'm not gonna have no choice.
• 1:21:20
  SPEAKER_07: No, I'm not listening to I Am Not My Hair, like cranking, cranked up to like work out, or that's not pumping me up to go to work in the morning to wake me up.
• 1:21:31
  SPEAKER_07: Do I love that song?
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_07: Does it have a wonderful message?
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, but that's not what I'm damning out to.
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_10: Facts.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_10: But yeah, I just think she needs to work on her approach.
• 1:21:45
  SPEAKER_10: Last thing, have you been keeping up with Love Island?
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_10: Yes.
• 1:21:49
  SPEAKER_10: I'm so hooked.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_10: This season.
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_10: Didn't you vote for the final four couple?
• 1:21:54
  SPEAKER_10: I voted Anaya and I voted Core Four, even though Zach and Kada got on my well, Zach being on my nerves since the whole season, but Kada kind of pissed me off a little bit.
• 1:22:05
  SPEAKER_10: Um, it was very telling how she ran the Kinsey to complain about Trinity.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_10: And I'm just like, girl, if she was your best friend, like she said you was, you would have just had a talk with her.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_10: But um, I did vote Core Four, so I voted for Anaya and Carl, Trinity and Bryce, um Melanie and Uninsincere and Kata and Zach.
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_10: And the only reason why I voted the last two couples is strictly because I love Melanie and Kata.
• 1:22:30
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:22:31
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_07: Who did she vote?
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_07: Um, let me see.
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_07: I did I did uh Trinity and Bryce.
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_07: Um Virginia.
• 1:22:42
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, bad news.
• 1:22:44
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I did Trinity and Bryce, um, Anaya and Carl, Melanie and Sincere, and um Cada and Zach.
• 1:22:55
  SPEAKER_10: Mm-hmm.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_10: I'm sorry.
• 1:22:57
  SPEAKER_10: Even though, you know, Casey and TT that was cute the last episode, but she's not winning me over because I just I just see, first of all, I didn't like Casey's choice of words this last episode.
• 1:23:07
  SPEAKER_10: Yes.
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_10: Herself worth like it gave Hotep, it gave Ray Peel.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_10: She's done enough to prove me worthy of her.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that was wild.
• 1:23:17
  SPEAKER_10: That was wild.
• 1:23:18
  SPEAKER_07: I just see y'all both laughing at Anaya.
• 1:23:21
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:23:22
  SPEAKER_07: Like they are really like nasty, um, mean, they're mean, they're mean-spirited, nasty people.
• 1:23:29
  SPEAKER_10: But a lot of people like, oh, you know, I voted for me, which is fine, but I I don't know.
• 1:23:33
  SPEAKER_10: Dealing with a nigga like Casey in my past and being a black woman, and you have a lot of niggas out there like Casey, I can spot that shit a mile away.
• 1:23:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:23:42
  SPEAKER_10: But I kept my opinion online quiet because when I came out and I said I wasn't really buying the speech, I got cussed out and called everything but a child of God.
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_10: But I was just like, hmm.
• 1:23:53
  SPEAKER_10: But I don't know.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_10: I just have a I love and I love Trinity.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_10: Uh that's my baby.
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_10: I love, but I have a really special connection.
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_10: Parasocial, yes, but I have a special connection with Naem because I was raised just like her.
• 1:24:05
  SPEAKER_10: Black suburbs world.
• 1:24:06
  SPEAKER_10: Granted, I like I stated on my TikTok, I didn't come from money like she did, but like never needing a woman for nothing.
• 1:24:14
  SPEAKER_10: You know, a lot of black people call me whitewash growing up because it's like I wasn't out there doing certain things.
• 1:24:19
  SPEAKER_10: Or I was, you know, I listened to everything.
• 1:24:21
  SPEAKER_10: I was exposed to a lot.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_10: I had I had been around the world before I even moved to Tennessee to start school here.
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_10: So I I've been fighting and defending Naya with my life, but like I love Anaya and Carl.
• 1:24:34
  SPEAKER_10: Um, I'm tired of people saying Trinity and Bryce connection is around.
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_10: I'm like, you can't fake for that long.
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_10: I'm sorry.
• 1:24:43
  SPEAKER_07: Um this last episode, they were putting on a lot.
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_07: Trinity and Bryce, like, it's starting to get like we at the finale, we really gotta win this money.
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_07: Like, it's like becoming, it's it's being yes, it is like overly like being done.
• 1:25:02
  SPEAKER_07: Where Anaya and Carl is like moving slow, and it seems it just seems more real to me um than Trinity and Bryce.
• 1:25:11
  SPEAKER_07: And they were my favorite couple before this last episode.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_10: You know why I think I know you know why I think it's icking y'all out.
• 1:25:18
  SPEAKER_10: And I relate to Trinity.
• 1:25:19
  SPEAKER_10: When I first started having sex, I think they, because they've had been having sex, it's just oh, I forgot about that.
• 1:25:29
  SPEAKER_07: They did, yeah, they did confirm that they had did it, and now they've been there.
• 1:25:35
  SPEAKER_10: You're right.
• 1:25:35
  SPEAKER_10: I think that just kind of because Trinity, she's been all over there.
• 1:25:39
  SPEAKER_10: Like she was over him before, but I was just like, so then when I heard her, I'm like, oh, and then it's just like shit.
• 1:25:45
  SPEAKER_10: You notice after the first night they had sex birthday, so yeah, you finna be my girlfriend.
• 1:25:50
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_10: I think, yeah, because even with Kata, like Kata, she just acted because she came in with so much confidence.
• 1:25:58
  SPEAKER_10: The night after the hideway, the night after the hideway, sex definitely just clouds her judgment.
• 1:26:04
  SPEAKER_10: I really feel like they started being intimate, and Trade said, but I guess that 30-year-old dick did did exactly what she needed to do.
• 1:26:13
  SPEAKER_07: That makes a lot of sense.
• 1:26:14
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 1:26:15
  SPEAKER_07: Now I see I didn't even think about that.
• 1:26:17
  SPEAKER_10: Because baby, my oh, because I started having sex two weeks before my 27th birthday, baby.
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_10: You would have thought I was a kid and can't seven, sixteen years old again, baby.
• 1:26:28
  SPEAKER_10: When I when I oh, I was over that man like why I was Yeah.
• 1:26:33
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_10: Nothing.
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_09: That'll do it.
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, we'll do it.
• 1:26:37
  SPEAKER_10: My last partner.
• 1:26:41
  SPEAKER_10: Ooh, yeah.
• 1:26:42
  SPEAKER_10: I was all over that man's body just like that.
• 1:26:45
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 1:26:46
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 1:26:47
  SPEAKER_10: Especially if it's you dig me down good.
• 1:26:49
  SPEAKER_10: Oh, bitch.
• 1:26:50
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:26:51
  SPEAKER_10: That's my man.
• 1:26:52
  SPEAKER_10: And that wasn't my man, but that my man, my man, my yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_07: Don't look at him, don't talk to him, don't come around him.
• 1:27:01
  SPEAKER_07: That that was very much me with K Ron.
• 1:27:03
  SPEAKER_07: Like after we had sex.
• 1:27:05
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, I was just like, oh yeah, that's like That's my Yeah, I'll kill your ass, period.
• 1:27:11
  SPEAKER_07: Um, yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:27:13
  SPEAKER_07: Now that you say that, you are absolutely right.
• 1:27:16
  SPEAKER_10: You know, I just feel like she's 22, y'all.
• 1:27:20
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I forget about that too.
• 1:27:23
  SPEAKER_10: Girl, even though I'm not the biggest clam slam Kinsey fan, I I'm with her.
• 1:27:29
  SPEAKER_10: Cause Dylan, what what the f why you keep bringing up?
• 1:27:32
  SPEAKER_10: Either you forgive her or you don't.
• 1:27:33
  SPEAKER_10: But it's just like y'all both don't got any option anyway.
• 1:27:35
  SPEAKER_10: So why you keep doing this?
• 1:27:36
  SPEAKER_10: Because Kinzie, if you think you finna explore Carl, now you're gonna snatch your ass about your skin.
• 1:27:41
  SPEAKER_10: Exactly.
• 1:27:42
  SPEAKER_10: Nia popped up next to her, next to Carl at Yeah.
• 1:27:47
  SPEAKER_07: Kinzie is just gross to me.
• 1:27:49
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, every time I look at her, she makes my skin crawl.
• 1:27:53
  SPEAKER_07: Um, she just like she looks like a walking S T D to me.
• 1:27:58
  unknown: Um
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_07: I just I can't.
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_07: Like, she's just gross to me.
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_07: Every time I see her, I just frown my face up on the camera.
• 1:28:08
  SPEAKER_07: Um, the less camera time that she gets would just make me like so much happier.
• 1:28:14
  SPEAKER_07: And every time I pray that she's gonna go home.
• 1:28:16
  SPEAKER_07: And when they won that fucking karaoke shit.
• 1:28:19
  SPEAKER_10: They set that challenge up for them to win.
• 1:28:22
  unknown: Yes.
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_10: And I think they did that on purpose because I looked at the last three seasons.
• 1:28:27
  SPEAKER_10: I don't think there's been a full white couple in a few years.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_10: Uh-huh.
• 1:28:32
  SPEAKER_10: Uh-huh.
• 1:28:34
  SPEAKER_10: And then you remember the moment when she asked TT Melanie in Trinity, if we didn't win the challenge, you think I'll be going home?
• 1:28:41
  SPEAKER_10: And it was just Melanie, we shouldn't talk about that.
• 1:28:44
  SPEAKER_10: I screamed.
• 1:28:49
  SPEAKER_07: Oh my God.
• 1:28:51
  SPEAKER_07: I wanted them.
• 1:28:52
  SPEAKER_07: I wanted her to go home so bad.
• 1:28:53
  SPEAKER_07: I was so compissed.
• 1:28:55
  SPEAKER_07: Them standing up there with them damn crowns on.
• 1:28:58
  SPEAKER_07: I was like, oh, I hate, I hate this.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I was just so, oh, I wanted her to go home.
• 1:29:04
  SPEAKER_07: Um, Corbin and Parmita, Paramita, what's her name?
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_07: Parmita?
• 1:29:08
  SPEAKER_07: Parmita.
• 1:29:09
  SPEAKER_07: When they left, I jumped for joy.
• 1:29:11
  SPEAKER_07: It was like Christmas.
• 1:29:13
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I got sick of that bullshit.
• 1:29:15
  SPEAKER_07: That shit about both of them, both of them being attractive.
• 1:29:18
  SPEAKER_07: I was like, are you fucking kidding me right now?
• 1:29:22
  SPEAKER_07: How shallow.
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_07: Like, you and this bitch, get the fuck on.
• 1:29:26
  SPEAKER_07: Like, ew.
• 1:29:27
  SPEAKER_07: Um, yeah, uh-uh, I really, I don't want them to stick around.
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_07: God, I'm hoping that they go home.
• 1:29:35
  SPEAKER_10: Girl.
• 1:29:36
  SPEAKER_10: And then it's just like, I just felt like people were so busy trying to defend KC.
• 1:29:42
  SPEAKER_10: Even the e the nigga even said, hey, I was disrespectful.
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_10: Like, and people, oh, he didn't call he called grandma because he was asleep.
• 1:29:50
  SPEAKER_10: Nah, nigga.
• 1:29:50
  SPEAKER_10: The sleep comedy didn't come after the word grandma.
• 1:29:53
  SPEAKER_10: I said, I can a lot of you niggas fail English because y'all don't understand sentence structure.
• 1:29:58
  SPEAKER_10: Exactly.
• 1:29:58
  SPEAKER_10: Like, he was disrespectful.
• 1:30:00
  SPEAKER_07: He was beyond.
• 1:30:01
  SPEAKER_07: Like, it was just so.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I remember watching it.
• 1:30:05
  SPEAKER_07: Even K Ron was like getting into it, like looking like, dang, like, yeah, like it was just, it was so bad.
• 1:30:11
  SPEAKER_07: Um, when he was over there like crouching down, like he couldn't like looking like he was visibly uncomfortable by the things he was saying.
• 1:30:19
  SPEAKER_07: I'm like, yeah, because you dogged her.
• 1:30:22
  SPEAKER_07: Like you dogged her like you didn't think these things would ever be put on television.
• 1:30:27
  SPEAKER_08: Like, I'm like, you are just nasty.
• 1:30:31
  SPEAKER_10: Did you hear the conversation Cincy or Casey had maybe like to it's like them niggas forgot they was getting recorded.
• 1:30:37
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, yes.
• 1:30:39
  SPEAKER_07: And I'm gonna tell you, if that was KJ, soon as I would see his ass, I would slap the fuck out of him.
• 1:30:47
  SPEAKER_07: Like, how dare you?
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_07: I did not raise you to ever disrespect a woman like that.
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_07: And then us, especially a black woman, how dare you?
• 1:30:58
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I would be on that show if he makes it to which I'm pretty sure I think I saw him with the parents or whatever.
• 1:31:05
  SPEAKER_07: But and I would come around that corner, Casey.
• 1:31:10
  SPEAKER_07: Was he in the clips with the parents?
• 1:31:12
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:31:13
  SPEAKER_07: If I came around that corner, I would be like the security would have to come.
• 1:31:17
  SPEAKER_07: They be like, Lord, this lady crazy.
• 1:31:19
  SPEAKER_07: She beating the shit out.
• 1:31:20
  SPEAKER_07: This bow her son on the case.
• 1:31:26
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I heard about that.
• 1:31:27
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 1:31:28
  SPEAKER_10: She she just paid and she gave sincere.
• 1:31:31
  SPEAKER_10: She said, I know you don't like my son, but here's his birth chart and his birth sign.
• 1:31:35
  SPEAKER_10: So she said, in the comments, she said, I'ma light his ass up when I can like his mama has has it off in his ass.
• 1:31:42
  SPEAKER_10: He don't even know it.
• 1:31:44
  SPEAKER_10: He thinks she's sweet.
• 1:31:46
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, it's just the the I mean, his blatant lies and just, you know, I mean, he just lied so bad.
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_07: How you go from one girl say one thing, five minutes later, you doing another and saying it.
• 1:31:58
  SPEAKER_07: It was borderline, like um sociopath, like something wrong.
• 1:32:03
  SPEAKER_10: I was just gonna say psychotic because here's the thing.
• 1:32:07
  SPEAKER_10: You when I remember when his and it kept going, when he had two parts, I said, This ain't even a fun movie night no more.
• 1:32:14
  SPEAKER_10: It was sad to watch because and for everybody to be silent to be like, for Zach to sit up and say, bro, that's fucked up.
• 1:32:22
  SPEAKER_10: Like, for you to for Corbin to be like, nigga, you fucked.
• 1:32:26
  SPEAKER_10: Even though Corbin, I have weird energy with you because you was always worried about what the fuck Anaya was doing when you don't even like black women, so shut up.
• 1:32:34
  SPEAKER_10: But I will I have a really unpopular opinion about Corbin.
• 1:32:40
  SPEAKER_10: The only time I consider Corbin likable was when he was with Melanie, but he couldn't even be with Melanie because Kinzie was so busy in the cut.
• 1:32:47
  SPEAKER_10: And you could tell Kinsey don't get five shit in real life because the way she was over them fingers and that dick.
• 1:32:55
  SPEAKER_10: And I was like, But yeah, the she's disgusting.
• 1:32:59
  SPEAKER_10: The only time Corbin was likable was when he was with Melanie.
• 1:33:02
  SPEAKER_10: I was just like, okay.
• 1:33:03
  SPEAKER_10: It would have a real I wish in the alternative universe, I definitely would have been.
• 1:33:08
  SPEAKER_10: In the alternative universe, Sean should have stayed.
• 1:33:13
  SPEAKER_10: Yes, yes.
• 1:33:15
  SPEAKER_10: Sean would have stayed.
• 1:33:18
  SPEAKER_10: Trinity should have, but see Trinity and but I in some way, shape, or form.
• 1:33:24
  SPEAKER_10: But then the fact that I'm watching Sean's interviews and to see Sean be like, he pulled Anaya for several chaps.
• 1:33:30
  SPEAKER_10: So that's why it's just like this whole thing about, oh, Anaya's a colorist.
• 1:33:34
  SPEAKER_10: Anaya didn't choose Casey.
• 1:33:36
  SPEAKER_10: Well, she kept choosing him.
• 1:33:39
  SPEAKER_10: Because she didn't choose Sean.
• 1:33:41
  SPEAKER_10: And the fact that I'm seeing Sean's mama, Caleb's mama, be like, oh, you know, I wanted him with Anaya.
• 1:33:49
  SPEAKER_10: Caleb should have pulled Anaya and Melanie for chats.
• 1:33:53
  SPEAKER_10: I feel like Caleb, because I just don't see Caleb with, and even his mama said that.
• 1:33:58
  SPEAKER_10: She don't see, what's the girl's name?
• 1:34:01
  SPEAKER_10: Jaden.
• 1:34:02
  SPEAKER_10: She don't even smell she liked Caleb for real.
• 1:34:06
  SPEAKER_10: And I felt bad for Jen.
• 1:34:08
  SPEAKER_10: Gall pissed me.
• 1:34:09
  SPEAKER_10: I wasn't even the biggest Jen.
• 1:34:11
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my God.
• 1:34:13
  SPEAKER_10: Jen, first of all, I loved how she called Kinzie out.
• 1:34:16
  SPEAKER_10: One.
• 1:34:17
  SPEAKER_10: I loved how she, I love how Jen just was just like, no, I'm gonna keep my foot in your net because you used me to get into because he was acting so into her.
• 1:34:25
  SPEAKER_10: And then just like, he flipped the script.
• 1:34:28
  SPEAKER_10: He did.
• 1:34:29
  SPEAKER_07: I came across, I came across something on threads.
• 1:34:33
  SPEAKER_07: And they were frying him.
• 1:34:35
  SPEAKER_07: They were like, how dare he?
• 1:34:37
  SPEAKER_07: And he looks the way that he does.
• 1:34:39
  SPEAKER_07: And then they started like posting like different like memes and pictures and cartoon characters of what he looked like.
• 1:34:45
  SPEAKER_07: Girl, I was dead.
• 1:34:47
  SPEAKER_07: I was like, how do you ever come up and tell somebody this is not gonna work out and you look like this?
• 1:34:52
  SPEAKER_07: Girl, I call her.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_07: I could not believe that shit.
• 1:34:55
  SPEAKER_10: But it was so I and I wanna, as a woman, I want to bring up this point.
• 1:34:59
  SPEAKER_10: It was so funny how white women understood how bad it is to be called aggressive when you're not being aggressive.
• 1:35:05
  SPEAKER_10: Because when he called Jen, even as a black woman, we've had those talks about, oh, you know, you're aggressive.
• 1:35:11
  SPEAKER_10: No, like when God said you're being aggressive, I was like, Jen literally didn't even raise her voice at you.
• 1:35:17
  SPEAKER_10: You asked her questions, but white women understood that, but they don't understand why we don't like being called aggressive when we're passionately speaking.
• 1:35:24
  SPEAKER_10: I thought that was really rich.
• 1:35:26
  SPEAKER_10: But I was like, I said, um, yeah, no.
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_10: I I like Jen.
• 1:35:34
  SPEAKER_10: I just didn't.
• 1:35:34
  SPEAKER_10: I wish Jen would have fucking brought Ronnie in there because one, once I found out Kenzie as my best friend, you trying to explore my man, I would have dated that because you don't want to explore Ronnie.
• 1:35:44
  SPEAKER_10: And more Jim, but I think Jen was so stuck on the tight that that fucked her up because God flips grew.
• 1:35:50
  SPEAKER_10: But did you see even his coffee shop?
• 1:35:52
  SPEAKER_10: They was giving free drinks to girls named Jen.
• 1:35:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, I saw that.
• 1:35:57
  SPEAKER_05: I saw that.
• 1:36:03
  SPEAKER_10: I said, mm-mm.
• 1:36:06
  SPEAKER_07: But yeah, I'm excited.
• 1:36:07
  SPEAKER_07: I'm excited for uh for this to wrap up.
• 1:36:11
  SPEAKER_07: Um, excited for the finale.
• 1:36:13
  SPEAKER_07: I I just been really all into it.
• 1:36:15
  SPEAKER_07: Look, while everybody else is doing the FIFA soccer and all that shit, I've been watching Love Island, child.
• 1:36:22
  SPEAKER_07: Everybody at my job is talking about that shit, and I'm just like, I've been watching Love Island.
• 1:36:29
  SPEAKER_10: FIFA showed me, first of all, soccer players be fine, bitch.
• 1:36:32
  SPEAKER_10: But FIFA showed me the countries I will never take my black ass to because y'all be racist as fuck.
• 1:36:38
  SPEAKER_10: Argentina, y'all bitches ain't never gotta worry about me.
• 1:36:41
  SPEAKER_10: Y'all are disgusting racist, and a lot of y'all look inbred and ugly.
• 1:36:47
  SPEAKER_10: Disgusting.
• 1:36:48
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:36:49
  SPEAKER_07: It did expose, it has exposed a lot of shit.
• 1:36:52
  SPEAKER_10: North Africa and y'all motherfuckers, but see, that's a whole nother conversation.
• 1:36:56
  SPEAKER_10: But I ain't Africans.
• 1:36:57
  SPEAKER_10: I'm about my black American business, but Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, y'all are never got fucking worried about me.
• 1:37:05
  SPEAKER_10: Y'all are racist.
• 1:37:06
  SPEAKER_07: I've always, I've always, if I want to, if I ever get to go to Africa, I've always wanted to go to South Africa.
• 1:37:14
  SPEAKER_10: You know what?
• 1:37:15
  SPEAKER_10: I didn't want to mess with South Africa because, you know, the whole thing with colored and apartheid and they act like, oh, y'all don't.
• 1:37:24
  SPEAKER_10: I've always wanted to go to West Africa.
• 1:37:25
  SPEAKER_10: So I wanted to see Ghana.
• 1:37:27
  SPEAKER_10: I want to, I don't think Liberia is in West Africa, but like the top places in Africa that I want to visit are Liberia and Liberia, strictly because a lot of black, free black Americans got sent there.
• 1:37:38
  SPEAKER_10: So they have a lot of black American ties.
• 1:37:41
  SPEAKER_10: Ghana, um, I just love the Ghanaian culture.
• 1:37:47
  SPEAKER_10: I want to visit Eretria because I think they are some of the most beautiful people on the planet.
• 1:37:54
  SPEAKER_10: Um, because Nipsey Hustle was Eretrian and I just think he's so attractive.
• 1:37:58
  SPEAKER_10: And I've never seen an ugly, Eretria person in my life.
• 1:38:01
  SPEAKER_10: I've always wanted to go to Senegal.
• 1:38:05
  SPEAKER_10: Yes, Senegal.
• 1:38:06
  SPEAKER_10: Tall, deeply melanated uh brothers and sisters, and what's the fit if my fifth one was um I have it in my head.
• 1:38:18
  SPEAKER_10: Is it Tanzania?
• 1:38:21
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 1:38:23
  SPEAKER_07: We need to plan our trip to the motherland.
• 1:38:26
  SPEAKER_10: You know what?
• 1:38:27
  SPEAKER_10: I have my own theory about it.
• 1:38:29
  SPEAKER_10: I I don't know.
• 1:38:31
  SPEAKER_10: If I just feel like this.
• 1:38:32
  SPEAKER_10: If y'all say black people was everywhere, then there's a strong possibility that black people was native to here.
• 1:38:39
  SPEAKER_10: I just the older I'm getting, the less ties I feel to Africa.
• 1:38:43
  SPEAKER_10: Maybe it's because of how I've been treated personally by African people at my college and just all the diaspora wars.
• 1:38:50
  SPEAKER_10: Because black British people ain't never got to fucking worry about me.
• 1:38:52
  SPEAKER_07: Not me either.
• 1:38:54
  SPEAKER_07: No.
• 1:38:55
  SPEAKER_10: And I, you know, I studied and I lived over there for a while.
• 1:38:58
  SPEAKER_10: I'm good.
• 1:38:58
  SPEAKER_10: But um I don't know, sis.
• 1:39:01
  SPEAKER_10: I do want to visit, but um, but I look at it like this.
• 1:39:04
  SPEAKER_10: Look at it like this in a history sense, because history is my favorite subject.
• 1:39:08
  SPEAKER_10: Georgia has been a a state since the 1700s.
• 1:39:11
  SPEAKER_10: Nigeria was only established 60 years ago.
• 1:39:14
  SPEAKER_10: So while y'all talking about black American people, we don't know where we're from.
• 1:39:16
  SPEAKER_10: We don't know.
• 1:39:17
  SPEAKER_10: Bitch, we've been in our state fighting.
• 1:39:20
  SPEAKER_10: We 28 generations deep over here.
• 1:39:23
  SPEAKER_10: We know where we're fucking from.
• 1:39:24
  SPEAKER_10: They just didn't keep records of us.
• 1:39:26
  SPEAKER_10: A lot of us lived or were born or came from states that were hundreds of years established before y'all even became a free country from the Europe, um, from European colonization.
• 1:39:40
  SPEAKER_09: Don't fuck with me.
• 1:39:41
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 1:39:42
  SPEAKER_10: You're right.
• 1:39:42
  SPEAKER_10: You got a point.
• 1:39:43
  SPEAKER_10: I don't know.
• 1:39:44
  SPEAKER_10: I just the older I get, the less ties I have.
• 1:39:46
  SPEAKER_10: And then it's, you know, I'm learning, you know, we have Tutanese over here that was based off of Black American slave language.
• 1:39:52
  SPEAKER_10: We have Hoodoo.
• 1:39:53
  SPEAKER_10: We have outside of the main black American heritage flag that I'm connected to, that I use, there are about 20 different subsectors of black people here.
• 1:40:03
  SPEAKER_10: You got the Melungis, which were the black people from Appalachia.
• 1:40:06
  SPEAKER_10: You have the Creoles, you have the Gulagitis from the Carolinas, you have the Americans that's from like New York, New Jersey.
• 1:40:13
  SPEAKER_10: So we have a lot of subgroups, and we have a lot of things over here too.
• 1:40:16
  SPEAKER_10: So I I get less and less connected to Africa, and I get less and less, I don't know, I just don't, and I just don't feel like I have this weird, I don't know, I just feel like the history they teach us is just a lie.
• 1:40:30
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, oh yeah.
• 1:40:32
  SPEAKER_10: So I don't know.
• 1:40:33
  SPEAKER_10: I, you know, do I want to visit Africa one day?
• 1:40:36
  SPEAKER_10: Yes, but am I in a rush?
• 1:40:37
  SPEAKER_10: No, because all my people from Georgia.
• 1:40:40
  SPEAKER_10: He was born here.
• 1:40:42
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:40:43
  SPEAKER_10: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:40:44
  SPEAKER_10: You're right.
• 1:40:45
  SPEAKER_10: And I look at it like this black people, we built this black American people.
• 1:40:49
  SPEAKER_10: We built this Haitians and Hispanics.
• 1:40:54
  SPEAKER_10: Oh, you know, y'all have no culture.
• 1:40:56
  SPEAKER_10: I'm immigrants with that country.
• 1:40:57
  SPEAKER_10: A lot of y'all are getting deported back.
• 1:40:59
  SPEAKER_10: You can't deport us nowhere.
• 1:41:01
  SPEAKER_10: Y'all can't mean deport us back to Africa.
• 1:41:04
  SPEAKER_10: Because we built this fucking country.
• 1:41:06
  SPEAKER_10: Our inventions carry this entire world.
• 1:41:10
  SPEAKER_10: So I don't give a fuck.
• 1:41:13
  SPEAKER_10: Amen.
• 1:41:15
  SPEAKER_10: But do I want to visit someplace in Africa?
• 1:41:17
  SPEAKER_10: Yes.
• 1:41:18
  SPEAKER_10: But I just, I'm at a point now, I just fuck with who fuck with me, and that includes black people too.
• 1:41:22
  SPEAKER_10: That includes black women.
• 1:41:24
  SPEAKER_10: Just the discourse online I've been seeing, how black women have been treating um Anaya and talking shit about Trinity.
• 1:41:31
  SPEAKER_10: It's just been disgusting.
• 1:41:32
  SPEAKER_10: I'm just like, we can be our own worst enemies sometimes.
• 1:41:34
  SPEAKER_10: We really can.
• 1:41:35
  SPEAKER_10: Like Blue Tma and Jesse Woo, I don't even think they like black American women at this point.
• 1:41:40
  SPEAKER_10: Disgusting.
• 1:41:41
  SPEAKER_10: Um it's been a lot.
• 1:41:43
  SPEAKER_10: And then Khloe Bailey had the nerve talking about Anaya wearing the same outfit.
• 1:41:46
  SPEAKER_10: Girl, you've been producing the same album.
• 1:41:48
  SPEAKER_10: Like, and you're a bird.
• 1:41:52
  SPEAKER_10: Cheating because you wanted to cuddle, you can't talk about nobody.
• 1:41:56
  SPEAKER_10: So it's just like I've been unfighting with so many black women celebrities, and it's a lot of black female celebrities that I look to who are in their 40s and talking shit about 20-year-olds.
• 1:42:06
  SPEAKER_10: A lot of y'all gave y'all pussy up for free, and y'all fight over less than that.
• 1:42:10
  SPEAKER_10: Like talk about it.
• 1:42:12
  SPEAKER_10: So it's rock with who rock with me.
• 1:42:15
  SPEAKER_10: But it's been a lot of it's been a lot of black people, and again, I think that's coming from the celebrity is dying and having fought, and the older I get, the more I'm just like, a lot of you motherfuckers are weird anyway.
• 1:42:27
  SPEAKER_10: And the black elitism is crazy.
• 1:42:30
  SPEAKER_10: But it's just like I don't rock with a lot of y'all.
• 1:42:33
  SPEAKER_10: Y'all are weird.
• 1:42:35
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 1:42:36
  SPEAKER_10: And then it's like being in my 30s.
• 1:42:38
  SPEAKER_10: Am I am I, what's the word I'm looking for?
• 1:42:45
  SPEAKER_10: I don't know what the word I'm looking for.
• 1:42:47
  SPEAKER_10: Do I have a lot of critique for Gen Z and some of the shit they do?
• 1:42:50
  SPEAKER_10: Absolutely, but I'm gonna come at you like a big sister, not an enemy.
• 1:42:54
  SPEAKER_10: Yes.
• 1:42:54
  SPEAKER_10: I've been seeing a lot of black women in their 30s and older just come crazy at these kids.
• 1:43:00
  SPEAKER_10: And I say kids, but come at these young people just fucking nuts.
• 1:43:03
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, and that is like some you said earlier, like that is not how you reach this generation at all.
• 1:43:10
  SPEAKER_07: Um, they they're gonna push back so much harder.
• 1:43:13
  SPEAKER_07: And you'll never reach them.
• 1:43:14
  SPEAKER_07: And I I think what's really important too is um the same way that, you know, these older women, you know, our aging are our aging older, you know, we got to think about the parents too.
• 1:43:28
  SPEAKER_07: That is not how you get across to this generation by pushing back like that on them.
• 1:43:35
  SPEAKER_07: No.
• 1:43:35
  SPEAKER_10: Even like when I think about the one time I've had an issue with a woman at my job, you know, she was 20 years, she was our mama's ages.
• 1:43:44
  SPEAKER_10: So I'm just like, you old bitch, why are you sitting here?
• 1:43:47
  SPEAKER_10: You mad at this shit I'm doing because your life's fucking miserable and you hate your husband and you're a down little woman.
• 1:43:52
  SPEAKER_10: So don't fucking come for me.
• 1:43:54
  SPEAKER_10: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:43:55
  SPEAKER_10: So it's just like we gotta lead a little bit more in love and grace because a lot of these black celebrities that I've seen, black women celebrities, especially, because I feel like niggas are gonna ruin love violence with the parlay and not niggas wanna get involved.
• 1:44:07
  SPEAKER_10: And a lot of you niggas are whole tips who don't know how to date.
• 1:44:09
  SPEAKER_10: That's why I have divested from black love.
• 1:44:12
  SPEAKER_10: I just don't give a fuck.
• 1:44:13
  SPEAKER_10: I'ma just like who likes me and who treats me right.
• 1:44:16
  SPEAKER_10: Because as somebody who was raised like an Anaya, I was raised by a woman that was just like, no.
• 1:44:23
  SPEAKER_10: So a lot of niggas in my age bracket and in my tax bracket cannot court me how I want to be courted.
• 1:44:30
  SPEAKER_10: But I will say this a lot of y'all black female slavery that I seen just had all these negative shit to say, like the NDR, y'all forgot we saw y'all younger and growing up too.
• 1:44:40
  SPEAKER_10: Because NDI re wasn't you linked to, wasn't you linked to somebody who's in a relationship with a pregnant woman when you got remused soul child allegedly?
• 1:44:49
  SPEAKER_10: You know, come on now.
• 1:44:51
  SPEAKER_10: Hello have grace for the babies.
• 1:44:54
  SPEAKER_10: Please, just have grace for the babies.
• 1:44:57
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 1:44:58
  SPEAKER_07: They gotta learn.
• 1:44:59
  SPEAKER_07: They gotta learn.
• 1:45:00
  SPEAKER_07: And they just doing doing what they gotta do until they get it right.
• 1:45:06
  SPEAKER_11: For sure.
• 1:45:11
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, friends.
• 1:45:12
  SPEAKER_10: You got anything else to say?
• 1:45:14
  SPEAKER_07: I don't, but shout out to Bone Thugs and Harmony who just finally received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
• 1:45:22
  SPEAKER_07: That's crazy.
• 1:45:26
  SPEAKER_07: Um, that just came across my my news feed.
• 1:45:28
  SPEAKER_07: But nonsense, that's that's really all I got.
• 1:45:31
  SPEAKER_07: I'm I'm excited for us to be back.
• 1:45:32
  SPEAKER_07: Like I said, right in time, right in time for our one-year anniversary, right in time for my birthday.
• 1:45:40
  SPEAKER_07: It's Leo season.
• 1:45:42
  SPEAKER_07: I'm excited.
• 1:45:43
  SPEAKER_07: We're back.
• 1:45:44
  SPEAKER_07: It's been a long time.
• 1:45:46
  SPEAKER_07: We're definitely coming back full force, and yeah, it's gonna be a wonderful year because, like I said, we're celebrating our one-year anniversary.
• 1:45:58
  SPEAKER_07: So it's just we're going up from here.
• 1:46:00
  SPEAKER_07: It's amazing.
• 1:46:01
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:46:02
  SPEAKER_10: Oh, one last thing.
• 1:46:04
  SPEAKER_10: I've seen him, they're about to reboot the cheetah girls.
• 1:46:08
  SPEAKER_10: Oh shit.
• 1:46:10
  SPEAKER_10: Three white girls, one black girl.
• 1:46:12
  SPEAKER_10: Looks the fucking, it's a child.
• 1:46:14
  SPEAKER_10: Chop.
• 1:46:15
  SPEAKER_10: Oh, I'm gonna have to go check that out.
• 1:46:17
  SPEAKER_10: That's child.
• 1:46:19
  SPEAKER_10: But again, you know, this is for the young ones, I guess.
• 1:46:22
  SPEAKER_10: But I just feel like, and I think I'm gonna talk about next week when we come back, but I've no, I've been noticing.
• 1:46:29
  SPEAKER_10: I feel like they're pushing modern racial black women out of music and acting roles.
• 1:46:33
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:46:35
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 1:46:36
  SPEAKER_07: It's and it's very blatant.
• 1:46:37
  SPEAKER_07: Like you can, it's not being hidden.
• 1:46:40
  SPEAKER_07: I I I it's noticeable.
• 1:46:41
  SPEAKER_07: It's very noticeable.
• 1:46:42
  SPEAKER_10: It is.
• 1:46:43
  SPEAKER_10: Even I and I and and I just and I want to clear something up with you.
• 1:46:48
  SPEAKER_10: As a full, you're a full black woman, so I'ma say this.
• 1:46:51
  SPEAKER_10: And I think I can speak for my sis Diamond on this one.
• 1:46:54
  SPEAKER_10: A light-skinned woman is different from a biracial woman.
• 1:46:57
  SPEAKER_10: Diamond is a full black woman with two black parents.
• 1:47:02
  SPEAKER_10: She's light-skinned.
• 1:47:04
  SPEAKER_10: Zendaya, biracial.
• 1:47:08
  SPEAKER_10: As a light-skinned Hispanic woman, you can't be light-skinned or redbone because you're not black.
• 1:47:15
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know who my father is, but out of the two men, they are black.
• 1:47:22
  SPEAKER_07: I'm forgotten about that.
• 1:47:23
  SPEAKER_07: The two the two men that are possible, they are black men.
• 1:47:28
  SPEAKER_07: So that is true.
• 1:47:30
  SPEAKER_07: Just don't know him, but he is a black man.
• 1:47:32
  SPEAKER_07: I'll just put that out there.
• 1:47:34
  SPEAKER_07: So no, I'm not like biracial, half white, half black.
• 1:47:37
  SPEAKER_07: No.
• 1:47:42
  SPEAKER_10: I hate I've seen this discourse on TikTok that made me bring it up.
• 1:47:46
  SPEAKER_10: It was this girl.
• 1:47:47
  SPEAKER_10: She's a white Puerto Rican woman, and she can say, I'm a red bone, I'm light skinned.
• 1:47:53
  SPEAKER_10: No.
• 1:47:53
  SPEAKER_10: No, the fuck you're not.
• 1:47:56
  SPEAKER_10: That's not a good thing.
• 1:47:58
  SPEAKER_07: That's not how that works.
• 1:47:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's not how that works.
• 1:48:01
  SPEAKER_04: Nope.
• 1:48:03
  SPEAKER_10: But yeah, girl.
• 1:48:06
  SPEAKER_10: So that has been our episode.
• 1:48:08
  SPEAKER_10: Coming back into Sisters in Sync.
• 1:48:11
  SPEAKER_10: We love y'all.
• 1:48:12
  SPEAKER_10: And we're gonna come back for a short little show, a little treat before our one year.
• 1:48:17
  SPEAKER_10: So please stay tuned.
• 1:48:18
  SPEAKER_10: Yes.
• 1:48:19
  SPEAKER_10: Yes, stay tuned for that.
• 1:48:20
  SPEAKER_10: I'm so excited.
• 1:48:21
  SPEAKER_10: Yes, but until then, I'm Ashley.
• 1:48:24
  SPEAKER_10: And I'm Diamond.
• 1:48:26
  SPEAKER_10: And this has been another episode of Sisters in Sync.
• 1:48:28
  SPEAKER_10: We'll see y'all later.
• 1:48:29
  SPEAKER_10: Bye.
• 1:48:30
  SPEAKER_10: Bye.