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Your Paycheck Isn’t Stretching Like It Used To. We Asked The PM Why · She's On The Money

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Budget, a very
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Speaker 1: limited series where we break down the twenty seven federal
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Speaker 1: budget so that you can sound smarter by the water cooler.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Victoria Devine, and joining me on this
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Speaker 1: very special bonus episode of She's on the Money is
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Speaker 1: none other than our friend Albo. Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi,
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Speaker 1: good morning, Welcome and special guest, the Minister for Finance,
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Speaker 1: the Minister for Women, the Minister for Public Service and
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Speaker 1: Government Services, Senator Katie Gallaher. You've been on the show before.
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Speaker 1: I got to hang out with you yesterday. What a title,
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Speaker 1: but one that will no doubt attract many excellent questions
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Speaker 1: from our listeners. Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on.
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Speaker 1: I'm very excited, Welcome back to the podcast. Welcome back
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Speaker 1: to the show. I'm I'm very shocked that not only
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Speaker 1: did I get to interview the Prime Minister and the
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Speaker 1: Minister for Women and Finance, but I'm getting to do
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Speaker 1: it twice Like that is very cool. I did call
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Speaker 1: up my dad and I was like, guess what last
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Speaker 1: time you and I caught up, you shared your money story,
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Speaker 1: which I thought was very special. We got some gorgeous
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Speaker 1: feedback from the community. That's seeing a side of you
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Speaker 1: that was a little bit more I don't know real
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Speaker 1: was really appreciated.
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Speaker 4: That's one of the benefits of podcasts.
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Speaker 1: It's fun, isn't it.
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Speaker 4: I can actually just have a chat, exactly have a conversation.
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Speaker 1: We shared photos of Toto. You shared your unhinged money
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Speaker 1: hack of always having two hundred dollars in your wallet
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Speaker 1: to make sure that people and your staffers have always
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Speaker 1: have access.
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Speaker 4: To They still laugh at me.
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Speaker 1: Well, we also chatted about your wedding plans, which have
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Speaker 1: now come to fruition. Congratulations and I guess in that way,
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Speaker 1: the budget lock up was kind of like a wedding
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Speaker 1: we had and hear me out on this one. We
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Speaker 1: had a guest list, we had to wear a dress coat,
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Speaker 1: there was a seating plan that we allocated to and
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Speaker 1: strictly no phones. Naturally, people are dying to know all
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Speaker 1: the details. So my team and I have worked through
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Speaker 1: the night to pull some excellent budget focused questions from
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Speaker 1: our She's on the Money community to help them get
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Speaker 1: a better understanding of what went on, who does it benefit,
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Speaker 1: who does it disadvantage, and what does that look like.
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Speaker 1: But before we get there, I got to get your
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Speaker 1: money story last time, Katie, straight under the bus, my friend.
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Speaker 1: It is tradition for us to start She's on the
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Speaker 1: Money with a money story because we all have one,
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Speaker 1: and it impacts the way we see, the way we think,
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Speaker 1: the way we feel, and the way we make decisions.
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Speaker 1: What is your earliest memory of money.
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Speaker 3: My earliest memory of money would probably be pocket money,
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Speaker 3: getting pocket money for doing jobs around the house.
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Speaker 1: What are we saving up for or were we saving
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Speaker 1: around spending?
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Speaker 3: You know, twenty cents went a long way back then.
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Speaker 3: That's how old I am. So uh No, I don't
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Speaker 3: think savings really got to me till I was a
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Speaker 3: bit older. It was more get a little bit of
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Speaker 3: money and race down the shop and buy bag of lollies.
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Speaker 3: I think is really that was my foot That is
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Speaker 3: really my first memory of money. There's my own money.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, there's not a lot that is all of a
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Speaker 1: coin can purchase anymore. But we'll say that Donalds has
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Speaker 1: just brought back the fifty cent cone, and not only
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Speaker 1: is that nostalgic, but I think a sweet treat in
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Speaker 1: the cost of.
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Speaker 4: Living Christ value.
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Speaker 1: That's good Australian value. My childhood was pre Maccas. I
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Speaker 1: should say we won't go there, but of course.
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Speaker 4: I've worked at maccas.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well Maccas in Canberra, Macas around where we lived. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: it took a while I was in high school. I
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Speaker 3: think it was a very exciting a house.
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Speaker 4: No no, I never I never got promoted that high.
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Speaker 4: I was down in the back on the days that
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Speaker 4: maccas produced fried chicken, and so you had fried chicken,
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Speaker 4: had hot apple pies.
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Speaker 1: Oh they're still good, and the fries yeah, okay.
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Speaker 4: So you're on all that was all in one section.
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Speaker 4: And the burgers, they were the elite people making the
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Speaker 4: you know I was. I didn't.
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Speaker 1: I didn't run the burger station.
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Speaker 4: I didn't make it through a Broadway. I think it
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Speaker 4: was like the second or third macas that was done,
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Speaker 4: not that big city time, but we used to also
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Speaker 4: in order to get by it. One stage, there was
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Speaker 4: a promotion that had bottle caps and you had to
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Speaker 4: produce the bottle caps. But there was this bottle station
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Speaker 4: near where I used to play tennise in Marrickville, so
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Speaker 4: we had tons and tons of bottles. So we used
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Speaker 4: to have too many free burgers and they'd get on us.
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Speaker 4: So we had to go around the different machas.
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Speaker 1: Oh you'd have to like shop there.
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Speaker 4: Because they'd be on us. They'd be honest. It was
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Speaker 4: like to all beef patty special sauce, those cheese pickles
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Speaker 4: and its bun saying that in under thirty seconds. You
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Speaker 4: got a free burger as well.
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Speaker 1: That's pretty good.
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Speaker 4: They were on us.
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Speaker 1: I got the Prime Minister of Australia saying that he
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Speaker 1: routed the system. Is that what just happened.
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Speaker 4: Took advantage of the system.
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Speaker 1: Okay, took advantage of the tour and resources available.
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Speaker 4: Exactly as a working class kid who he did the
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Speaker 4: needed to get a free burger to get buy. That
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Speaker 4: was what we did.
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Speaker 1: I like it. Now back to you quickly, Katie. I
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Speaker 1: might be leaping to a few conclusions here, but is
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Speaker 1: it safe to say that, Well, you can't play favorites
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Speaker 1: because you're the minister of almost everything. Let's be honest.
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Speaker 1: Each of your departments gets a very unique budget allocated.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so I like all together they're linked. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: I mean I don't have favorites, that's right. And they
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Speaker 3: all do a really important but different job across the government.
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Speaker 3: But it's good to have them all because it forces
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Speaker 3: them to work together as well, which is good.
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Speaker 1: Something that's really important to me is the gender pay gap.
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Speaker 1: So I would like to talk about that because what
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Speaker 1: affects our spendings and savings habits more than what we
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Speaker 1: earn every single day and this year, as you probably
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Speaker 1: already know, the gender pay gap stands at twenty one
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Speaker 1: point one percent, which is down last but it's actually
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Speaker 1: crept up from nineteen percent, or the nineteen percent we
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Speaker 1: were on before measures were introduced to improve things. Now,
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Speaker 1: last night, the budget proposed to ban noncompete clauses for
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Speaker 1: workers earning under one hundred and eighty three thy one
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars and expand paid parental leave to encourage more
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Speaker 1: shared care and continue investing in female dominated sectors like healthcare,
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Speaker 1: aged care and education. What differences do you think those
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Speaker 1: measures will realistically make to women's wages and their long
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Speaker 1: term financial security question?
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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean it's been a priority for the alban
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Speaker 3: Easy government to tackle basically the gender pay gap and
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Speaker 3: how women's wages are treated, and they've historically been undervalued
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Speaker 3: and underrecognized, and so one of the biggest investments we've
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Speaker 3: made since coming to government has been into feminized industries
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Speaker 3: and trying to adjust the wages so.
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Speaker 1: They better reflect the responsibility.
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Speaker 3: So I think in the budget papers it's twenty one
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Speaker 3: billion dollars going into age care and early childhood education
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Speaker 3: and care wages because we recognize you know they haven't
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Speaker 3: been paid properly, and when you don't get paid properly, you.
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Speaker 1: Don't retain staff.
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Speaker 3: You know they'll go and work elsewhere, and so the
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Speaker 3: whole care economy suffers. But I think I don't want
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Speaker 3: to speak for the PM, but one of the reasons
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Speaker 3: he wanted women and finance together was to drive the
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Speaker 3: economic empowerment of women and deal with some of these
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Speaker 3: really long entrenched issues that hadn't been dealt with.
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Speaker 4: It made sense after we got elected and the caucus
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Speaker 4: selects the ministry, but I get to allocate portfolios and
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Speaker 4: it made absolute sense to me to have the Minister
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Speaker 4: for Women be in a portfolio that went right across
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Speaker 4: the entire spectrum, so you get that gender equity look
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Speaker 4: right across all all of the portfolios, and there's no
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Speaker 4: portfolio like that like finance. So it really has worked
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Speaker 4: very effectively so that we have a gender lens put
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Speaker 4: over everything that comes before the cabinet. But putting those
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Speaker 4: two things together has I think been one of the
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Speaker 4: successes of the government.
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Speaker 1: Personally, when that came together, I was like, this makes
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Speaker 1: so much sense and makes me so happy because of
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Speaker 1: everything that I champion. Now excitingly, I know that women
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Speaker 1: are actually better represented in Parliament than in most executive
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Speaker 1: suites across Australia. How are we investing in promoting and
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Speaker 1: how are we investing in promoting and retaining women in
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Speaker 1: highly skilled professional roles Because some of our community members
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Speaker 1: have asked what incentives or investments are being made to
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Speaker 1: bring that gender pay up down in male dominated industry
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Speaker 1: lack construction or IT or infrastructure.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we have a big emphasis on looking at
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Speaker 3: how we deal with the gender segregated nature of our
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Speaker 3: workforce and making sure women are getting the support they
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Speaker 3: need into those roles. And also importantly, like in those
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Speaker 3: new areas of climate energy AI tech, that we're not
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Speaker 3: retrofitting once all the men take the jobs to try
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Speaker 3: and get women in. So we've got a lot of
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Speaker 3: measures underway to try and deal with that in leadership
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Speaker 3: and decision making. I mean, the PM's got a gender
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Speaker 3: equal cabinet, first time ever gender majority women government, something
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Speaker 3: to be incredibly proud of. The PM's made a number again.
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to talk for you talk answering your questions,
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Speaker 3: but women's leadership and seeing seeing women in these roles
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Speaker 3: is really important I.
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Speaker 4: Think that two measures we've done, as well as getting
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Speaker 4: rid of some of the paced secrecy clauses, that what
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Speaker 4: we know is that often people wouldn't be conscious or
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Speaker 4: aware of the fact that men in executive positions were
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Speaker 4: being paid more than women doing the same roles. Getting
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Speaker 4: rid of pay secrecy clauses at that top end is
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Speaker 4: about addressing that. But the other thing that we've done
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Speaker 4: is not just have women and senior roles in the
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Speaker 4: government as ministers, including the Minister for Women sitting here
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Speaker 4: with me, but Penny Wong and Tanya Plipersek and Julie
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Speaker 4: Collins and Katherine King and all these amazing women in
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Speaker 4: senior roles were appointed the first woman head of the
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Speaker 4: Reserve Bank, the first woman to head the Department of Treasury,
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Speaker 4: the first woman to head the Productivity Commission. Importantly, just
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Speaker 4: a few weeks ago we appointed the first woman head
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Speaker 4: of the Army. All of this really does make a difference.
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Speaker 4: Of course, that will flow through to the private sector
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Speaker 4: as well. Just when you have competent people selected on
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Speaker 4: the basis that they're the best person for the job
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Speaker 4: happened to be women, it says that it's the right
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Speaker 4: thing to do going forward and across the board. The
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Speaker 4: first woman to head the Department of Foreign Affairs across
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Speaker 4: the board in so many areas now, the first woman
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Speaker 4: to head the Department of Defense as the secretary as well.
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Speaker 4: All of this just changes some of the perception that
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Speaker 4: might be out there unfortunately for a long period of
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Speaker 4: time that gender equity somehow isn't appropriate. It's always appropriate
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Speaker 4: and you get better outcomes, and so my government has
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Speaker 4: been conscious about that. So in board appointments, people from
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Speaker 4: versuly going on to boards that the government is responsible for,
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Speaker 4: or being promoted up through departments, then flows through to
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Speaker 4: that senior positions as well across areas where the government
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Speaker 4: has influenced, So whether that be direct or indirect as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel like once a female gets into power,
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Speaker 1: they want to lift all other women. The second someone
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Speaker 1: is in that position, they go, well, if I can
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Speaker 1: do it, everyone can, And that is a really that
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Speaker 1: is a really beautiful sentiment. But then you also see
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Speaker 1: the general public I find question them a little bit
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Speaker 1: more than they might have before. It's as though we
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Speaker 1: have to double down on our capability. Is that something
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Speaker 1: that you're seeing the women at Parliament House having to
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Speaker 1: deal with on a daily basis.
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Speaker 4: Of course, discrimination is a fact that they're including on gender.
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Speaker 4: But what I also see is a recognition over a
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Speaker 4: period of time since I've been here quite a while
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Speaker 4: in this building, and over a period of time when
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Speaker 4: I was first elected the first woman ever elected to
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Speaker 4: the House of Representatives from New South Wales, the biggest
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Speaker 4: state was my predecessor, Jeannett McHugh in nineteen eighty three.
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Speaker 4: That means that for eighty three years, every electorate in
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Speaker 4: New South Wales across the political spectrum sent a man
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Speaker 4: every time. Now that has changed enormously, and what I
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Speaker 4: see because the balance has changed as well, I have
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Speaker 4: no doubt that there is a direct link between some
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Speaker 4: of the measures that were put in place and the
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Speaker 4: makeup of my government. So whether it is women's health
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Speaker 4: and of it pain clinics, would they have occurred, would
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Speaker 4: blokes have not something I'm familiar with for obvious reasons.
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Speaker 4: Would that have been a front of mind issue to
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Speaker 4: spend many tens of millions of dollars investing in those
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Speaker 4: specific clinics to assist women's health. If the makeup of
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Speaker 4: the Cabinet and the Caucus was different, You'd like to
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Speaker 4: think that allies men who support gender equity would think
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Speaker 4: of those things, but the truth is that for some
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Speaker 4: of them it is a direct result of women taking
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Speaker 4: their experience into the policy sphere to make a difference.
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Speaker 4: Just like I didn't know that it had been more
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Speaker 4: than thirty years since a new contraceptive was placed on
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Speaker 4: the PBS. Some that we knew, that's question, but as
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister, I didn't know. When we did that. It
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Speaker 4: was like, really, thirty years, that's crazy. So you change that.
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Speaker 4: Other things are more obvious, such as women's work, feminized industries,
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Speaker 4: being underpaid in age care and child care, the conscious
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Speaker 4: of that, but so many areas when you change the
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Speaker 4: makeup of a government and make it look more like
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Speaker 4: the Australian population. This doesn't just apply to gender, of course,
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Speaker 4: it's also the fact we have different people of different
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Speaker 4: faith and women are men of color in our caucus
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Speaker 4: First Nations people. Has meant that those issues are raised
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Speaker 4: and I want to Parliament that looks like the Australian people.
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Speaker 4: That's how we get outcomes that served the Australian.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and last time I spoke to both of you separately,
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Speaker 1: Women's health was a massive priority, and there was a
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Speaker 1: really big push for drometeriosis and pelvic pain clinics, as
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Speaker 1: well as more affordable medications and treatment under Medicare and
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Speaker 1: the PBS. What changes can we expect to see just
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Speaker 1: if we're going into the pharmacy in the coming months.
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Speaker 4: Well, you'll see increasingly we're put additional medicines on the PBS.
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Speaker 4: You'll see as well, we're frozen the cost to just
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Speaker 4: twenty five dollars for medicines that are on the PBS,
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Speaker 4: or if you've got a concessional card at seven dollars
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Speaker 4: seventy for the rest of the decade. And I think
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Speaker 4: we are continuing to examine new medicines coming through, including
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Speaker 4: ones that particularly impact women's health issues.
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Speaker 3: And in addition to that, the success of the women's
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Speaker 3: health program that we've announced that the PM talked about
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Speaker 3: in contraception menopause treatments, the uptake of that is extraordinary,
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Speaker 3: So we're seeing that actually really gain momentum. You know,
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Speaker 3: women who are for the first time able to afford
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Speaker 3: to swap to the newer, safer, better contraception oral contraceptive
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Speaker 3: pill that doesn't have as many side effects because they
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Speaker 3: can afford to, Like, that's life changing. You know, my
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Speaker 3: daughters and you know their friends are like, Wow, the
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Speaker 3: government's actually going to help us with this. And then
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Speaker 3: things like at the pharmacy. You know, Mark Butler's been
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Speaker 3: doing a lot of work with states and territories about
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Speaker 3: just being able to treat UTIs those sense you know,
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Speaker 3: things that again probably affect women more than men, that
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Speaker 3: can get you know, you don't have.
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Speaker 1: To go to the GP, you know, if.
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Speaker 3: You can get in or whatever, you can go and
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Speaker 3: be treated at the pharmacy level.
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Speaker 1: And I think that makes a huge difference too.
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Speaker 4: The other thing as well, you know, as a blow,
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Speaker 4: the fact that these issues are talked about. I suspect
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Speaker 4: that when Tony Abbott was the Minister for Women in
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Speaker 4: his first government, not only was there not action people
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Speaker 4: talking about UTIs or contraception, endometriosis, these issues just wouldn't
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Speaker 4: have even been raised. So it's not that there weren't solutions,
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Speaker 4: they weren't even on the agenda. And it makes enormous
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Speaker 4: If I met a young woman down in Joe Ryan's
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Speaker 4: electorate of Lawla, down in the southwestern suburbs of Melbourne,
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Speaker 4: and she was twenty two years old and had suffered
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Speaker 4: debilitating pain, you know, once a month, so she couldn't work.
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Speaker 4: It was really for her. She told a very personal
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Speaker 4: story on camera about the difference that had made to
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Speaker 4: her life, and you know, it made me really proud
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Speaker 4: of the change that we had made. Sometimes it's not
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Speaker 4: the things that you won't find on page one of
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Speaker 4: any of the tabloids. You know, Labor Budget launches endometriosis
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Speaker 4: and pelvic pain clinics. But I'll tell you what it
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Speaker 4: probably should be, frankly, because it makes such a difference.
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Speaker 1: Agreed. Agreed. Now you probably saw this question coming. I
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Speaker 1: feel like I'm definitely not as spicy as other media,
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Speaker 1: but I have to ask, what are you doing about
20:48
Speaker 1: the cost of living crisis? Elbow money wins and broke
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Speaker 1: tips aside. It's getting harder and harder for the everyday
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Speaker 1: person to just get by. What relief can you share
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Speaker 1: with families, the single parents, the couples that are paying
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Speaker 1: off their mortgages for the first time.
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Speaker 4: Well, we have now five tax measures. We have a
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Speaker 4: tax cut that comes in on July one, lowering that
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Speaker 4: first marginal tax rate by one cent that particularly benefits
21:17
Speaker 4: low and middle income owners and another one the following
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Speaker 4: year one thousand dollars automatic tax deductions. We had the
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Speaker 4: Working Australia tax offset of two hundred and fifty dollars
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Speaker 4: just for workers that will come in as well, so
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Speaker 4: we're lowering taxes. The other thing we're doing is putting
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Speaker 4: forward again. We've made a submission of the Fair Work
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Speaker 4: Commission to increase wages, so we want people to earn
21:45
Speaker 4: more and keep more of what they own. So that
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Speaker 4: is all aimed at making a difference. We have a
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Speaker 4: really responsible budget as well, sixty four billion dollars of savings.
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Speaker 4: It's about putting that downward pressure on inflation because we
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Speaker 4: know that that is an issue particularly that has risen
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Speaker 4: since the war in the Middle East, that we don't
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Speaker 4: of course have control of. But we're doing all of
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Speaker 4: those measures as well as the cheaper medicines where we've
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Speaker 4: already spoken about, the free take, the twenty percent cut
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Speaker 4: in student debt that has now flowed through.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for that everywhere through to me. I was like, that's.
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Speaker 4: Nice everyone, Well it's now flowed through to everyone. I
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Speaker 4: want three million Australians benefited to the tune of an
22:36
Speaker 4: average of five and a half thousand dollars each. So
22:40
Speaker 4: all of these measures looking at giving people a fair
22:46
Speaker 4: crack with the cost of living. But that's one of
22:49
Speaker 4: the reasons why as well, we've made the difficult decisions
22:52
Speaker 4: that we have on tax when it comes to property tax,
22:55
Speaker 4: to level the playing field so that young people are
23:00
Speaker 4: aren't locked out of the housing market forever. Now, this
23:04
Speaker 4: won't you can't change these things overnight. You can't make
23:08
Speaker 4: a decisions in the budget on Tuesday night and it's
23:11
Speaker 4: fixed by the weekend. But what this will do is
23:15
Speaker 4: change some of the structures so that over a period
23:19
Speaker 4: of time, young people will increasingly get a fair crack.
23:24
Speaker 4: And there's been some controversy about that, of course, but
23:28
Speaker 4: it's the right thing to do.
23:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel like there's been a lot of
23:32
Speaker 1: conversation about childcare and stuff like that recently. And I
23:36
Speaker 1: have two young kids, two under two, because I am
23:39
Speaker 1: slightly delusional, and I'm very privileged to be able to
23:43
Speaker 1: do what I do and have a partner that's able
23:45
Speaker 1: to at the moment stay home with my babies while
23:48
Speaker 1: I get to be in the PM's office. But I
23:51
Speaker 1: also get the privilege of leaning on some additional childcare supports,
23:55
Speaker 1: what's being done to help parents get the care that
23:58
Speaker 1: they need and return to the work force, And does
24:01
Speaker 1: the budget take into consideration how the various care subsidies
24:05
Speaker 1: like the czes and their pps and how they're divvied up.
24:09
Speaker 4: Well, there's a few things that we're doing. Firstly, from
24:12
Speaker 4: the first of January this year, the three day childcare
24:15
Speaker 4: Guarantee was put in place. Previously, people were sometimes shut
24:22
Speaker 4: out of the workforce because they were disadvantaged in that
24:29
Speaker 4: if they weren't in work, they couldn't do get the
24:33
Speaker 4: substences therefore couldn't look for work payperenal leaf of course
24:38
Speaker 4: as well, moving towards that six months of payper and
24:42
Speaker 4: a leave doing in a way as well that encouragers
24:45
Speaker 4: shared parenting if that's what people choose to do, paying
24:51
Speaker 4: superannuational pay per and a leaf. That's something we were
24:56
Speaker 4: lobbied about. We said, we don't think we can do
24:59
Speaker 4: it at this time, but we'll do it when we can.
25:02
Speaker 4: That's now in place for the first time. I want
25:06
Speaker 4: to move towards a universal affordable child care that has
25:13
Speaker 4: taken steps. We had a system that was really pretty
25:18
Speaker 4: broken and in real danger of decline because we had
25:24
Speaker 4: workforce issues as well that we've had to introduce of
25:28
Speaker 4: paying and assisting those payments for early educators, and that
25:37
Speaker 4: has taken time, but that's at cost as well. People
25:42
Speaker 4: were leaving the system because you could earn more stacking
25:47
Speaker 4: shelves than you could looking after your two little ones
25:50
Speaker 4: and others as well.
25:51
Speaker 1: Tough because trying to make these decisions that are in
25:55
Speaker 1: the best interests of their families. We want to spend
25:58
Speaker 1: time with our children. You're a mum as well, what
26:02
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on this?
26:04
Speaker 3: Well, big supporter of the investments we've made into childcare,
26:08
Speaker 3: but it's broader than that. We come at this like
26:10
Speaker 3: from the women, you know, looking at how we support
26:13
Speaker 3: working families, like how do we take away those disincentives
26:17
Speaker 3: to work? So you know, the three day guarantee does that,
26:22
Speaker 3: so does the child How we've made investments into the
26:25
Speaker 3: childcare rebates so it doesn't penalize women who might want
26:28
Speaker 3: to pick up an extra few hours, but we could
26:30
Speaker 3: see if you pick up an extra few hours, you
26:33
Speaker 3: paid for it another way. Yeah, exactly, And so women
26:36
Speaker 3: were making that choice or families were making that choice,
26:40
Speaker 3: and the changes we've made to PPL Really interesting is
26:43
Speaker 3: that now that it's this budget brings in six months,
26:46
Speaker 3: so it extends PPL to that full amount. Is now
26:50
Speaker 3: that it's a bigger lump of time, more men or
26:53
Speaker 3: the second parents are taking that time, which is great.
26:57
Speaker 3: It's what we wanted to see, a bit more shared care,
27:00
Speaker 3: flexibility for families, choice for families about how they approach it.
27:03
Speaker 3: I mean, thankfully my kids mom through where you are.
27:08
Speaker 3: I don't mean that sounds bad for that sounds bad
27:11
Speaker 3: for my children too, but you know they're older now.
27:14
Speaker 3: But yeah, I remember the juggle. It's really really hard,
27:17
Speaker 3: and so part of what we've done in the last
27:20
Speaker 3: four years is to try and make that.
27:21
Speaker 1: Juggle just a bit easier. And you've come under fire
27:24
Speaker 1: in recent weeks for saying that care is good for children.
27:28
Speaker 1: And as a working mum, I went down the rabbit
27:31
Speaker 1: hole making decisions about child care and trying to go
27:35
Speaker 1: is this the right thing for my family? Is this,
27:37
Speaker 1: you know, a decision that I'm comfortable making. And I
27:39
Speaker 1: stumbled across the same research that you referenced that said
27:43
Speaker 1: that child care was beneficial for children. But I think
27:46
Speaker 1: people you know, and I don't want to justify it,
27:48
Speaker 1: but I think people have potentially taken it out of
27:50
Speaker 1: context where you're saying this can be really good for children.
27:54
Speaker 1: But having interviewed you before, would it be correct of
27:58
Speaker 1: me to say that it's not necessarily that you think
28:01
Speaker 1: everyone should have their child in care, but rather have
28:04
Speaker 1: the choice and feel confident with that.
28:07
Speaker 3: That was what I was trying to say. I mean,
28:09
Speaker 3: we're are you completely non judgmental about the choices you
28:13
Speaker 3: make about your own family?
28:16
Speaker 2: You know?
28:16
Speaker 3: I see part of the work that we do is
28:18
Speaker 3: about making sure the choices are available and those choices
28:22
Speaker 3: are legitimate choices for people.
28:24
Speaker 4: Yeah, people will make their own decisions based upon their
28:27
Speaker 4: family circumstances, and we support that. What we do know
28:33
Speaker 4: is over ninety percent of human brain development comes in
28:36
Speaker 4: the first five years. And one of the things that
28:39
Speaker 4: has happened in recent times as it goes through is
28:43
Speaker 4: people still talk about childcare, but it's early education as well.
28:48
Speaker 4: And one of the privileges that I have, because I
28:51
Speaker 4: do love.
28:52
Speaker 1: Babies, I didn't bring I know Katie was very disappointed.
28:56
Speaker 1: She walked into my interview yesterday and was like, where
28:58
Speaker 1: is the baby? Well, I know, if she was here
29:02
Speaker 1: she would be there. I should.
29:06
Speaker 4: I'm a bit of a baby whisperer.
29:07
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll have to bring her back or something.
29:11
Speaker 4: What it is? Sleep? Yeah, they go to sleep.
29:15
Speaker 1: I did.
29:15
Speaker 4: During the campaign. There were a lot of babies. I
29:18
Speaker 4: got to say, none of them cried.
29:20
Speaker 1: Politicians Kissing babies feels like a right of passage course, But.
29:25
Speaker 4: Going into these centers and seeing what a largely young women,
29:31
Speaker 4: but men as well, looking after these our little Australians
29:39
Speaker 4: and watching them learn how to count and how to write,
29:43
Speaker 4: and learning through education. I will point out here that
29:50
Speaker 4: our interviewer does have a Bluey screensaver greensaver here, but
29:56
Speaker 4: that's about education as well. A lot of what's in
29:59
Speaker 4: in some of the shows and graphics.
30:02
Speaker 1: So you're a fan of blue.
30:04
Speaker 4: See Bleue wasn't around when my Nathan, who was He's
30:10
Speaker 4: twenty five, so I missed out on the blue more.
30:14
Speaker 1: You can get into it now. Honestly, I think there's
30:16
Speaker 1: something for everybody in it.
30:18
Speaker 4: I must say, I think I've seen every SpongeBob square
30:21
Speaker 4: Pants episode, which works on different levels.
30:25
Speaker 3: It does as does Bluey, but SpongeBob was.
30:33
Speaker 4: A particular favorite when my Nathan was a little kid.
30:37
Speaker 4: If he hears this podcast, he'll be embarrassed. And I'm
30:40
Speaker 4: talking about that, so sorry about it.
30:42
Speaker 1: Well, he does fall into my demographic, and I mean,
30:45
Speaker 1: do you know what SpongeBob had that a lot of
30:47
Speaker 1: Australians didn't have the ability to have a house.
30:50
Speaker 4: It's true.
30:51
Speaker 1: Yes, let's talk a very good see a little bit more.
30:55
Speaker 1: I do try. Let's talk a little bit more about
30:58
Speaker 1: home ownership. Because when I went to community and I said,
31:01
Speaker 1: I'm getting this privilege, I get to talk to these people,
31:04
Speaker 1: what do you want me to ask? Obviously, overwhelmingly so
31:07
Speaker 1: people want to talk about housing, housing affordability, and when
31:11
Speaker 1: it comes to home ownership, even the money savvy members
31:14
Speaker 1: of my community are finding it really challenging to just
31:17
Speaker 1: get a foot in the door. It feels overwhelming. And
31:20
Speaker 1: with average Aussie homes now surpassing a million dollars, which
31:24
Speaker 1: even ten years ago, I thought a million dollars was,
31:26
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, never in a million years. But now
31:30
Speaker 1: that just seems like a normal number that we throw around,
31:32
Speaker 1: that my friends are purchasing houses to that value, and
31:37
Speaker 1: the supply grants and incentives like the First Home super
31:40
Speaker 1: Savior scheme, they aren't actually usable for a lot of
31:44
Speaker 1: people in our community, which kind of I think reinforces
31:48
Speaker 1: this false narrative or false idea of opportunity. So what
31:54
Speaker 1: considerations has the government made that in this year's budget
31:58
Speaker 1: to make just getting foot in the door more achievable.
32:02
Speaker 4: Well, I think that this is a budget which has
32:06
Speaker 4: housing front and center. We have done a lot since
32:11
Speaker 4: we came in the government. The Housing Australia Future Funds
32:14
Speaker 4: about increased public housing and there's some six thousand have
32:20
Speaker 4: been completed already, something like twenty five thousand under construction
32:26
Speaker 4: or planning, so there's that method. The build to rent
32:31
Speaker 4: is about private rentals. We have a shared Equity scheme
32:34
Speaker 4: that's about giving people the access to get their foot
32:39
Speaker 4: in the door and then they can buy back their
32:42
Speaker 4: share off the government down the track, and our five
32:48
Speaker 4: percent deposit scheme has now been used by over two
32:52
Speaker 4: hundred thousand Australians have to be first home buyers to
32:56
Speaker 4: make a difference. We're doing all of that, but clearly enough,
33:01
Speaker 4: and that's why we have made what's a pretty difficult
33:05
Speaker 4: decision to change negative gearing and capital gains tax, so
33:10
Speaker 4: that negative gearing with grandfather so if you have a property,
33:15
Speaker 4: you keep going for as long as you have that
33:18
Speaker 4: property using the existing system, but negative gearing will be
33:23
Speaker 4: limited to new builds. So the difference between that and
33:29
Speaker 4: the current system is the current system can benefit an
33:32
Speaker 4: individual and investor can increase their wealth by investing in
33:39
Speaker 4: a property, but if it's a new build, they're still
33:43
Speaker 4: investing in their wealth, but they're also investing in the
33:46
Speaker 4: wealth of the country because it's boosting supply, and the
33:50
Speaker 4: key is supply, but also making sure that by changing
33:56
Speaker 4: the system. So many people have said to me they're
34:02
Speaker 4: at an auction. They simply can't get into the system
34:08
Speaker 4: because they're competing against an investor who essentially has tax
34:13
Speaker 4: payers on their side. So it's not a fair fight
34:18
Speaker 4: if you like going forward, and that's why doing this
34:23
Speaker 4: will make a difference. We estimate that there'll be something
34:27
Speaker 4: like seventy five thousand young people will get access to
34:31
Speaker 4: having a secure roof over their head as a direct
34:35
Speaker 4: result of these changes that we're making.
34:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you touched on negative gearing, and that is
34:40
Speaker 1: something I would love to talk about. And to date,
34:43
Speaker 1: the Albanese government has specifically ruled out any changes to
34:47
Speaker 1: negative gearing and capital gains tax. It was an election
34:50
Speaker 1: promise what informed the government's latest decisions to reform negative
34:55
Speaker 1: gearing and then replace the fifty percent CGT discount with
34:58
Speaker 1: an inflation based system, particularly given how politically sensitive those
35:03
Speaker 1: policies have historically been.
35:06
Speaker 4: But this was a decision. We didn't come too lightly.
35:10
Speaker 4: But you've got to sit back, if you like, and
35:15
Speaker 4: look at the counterfactual. What is it if we know
35:18
Speaker 4: the system isn't working, particularly for young people, and if
35:22
Speaker 4: we've got young people but also their parents and grandparents say,
35:25
Speaker 4: I'm worried about young Victoria or young Victor ever getting
35:29
Speaker 4: into a home, and you know, they're still living at
35:35
Speaker 4: home up until they're you know, older and older as
35:40
Speaker 4: it goes on, because they just can't get into home ownership.
35:44
Speaker 4: If we knew that was the case, and we worked
35:47
Speaker 4: out a way of doing change, and we have changed
35:51
Speaker 4: our position, we're upfront about that doing change, but in
35:55
Speaker 4: a way that doesn't disadvantage people who are in the
36:00
Speaker 4: system already, who've made decisions to buy an investment property
36:05
Speaker 4: and have it negatively yeared and to benefit themselves from
36:13
Speaker 4: that investment. If there's a way that we could do
36:17
Speaker 4: it to make people's lives better over a period of
36:22
Speaker 4: time more and more. Then should we do that or
36:26
Speaker 4: should we say art's too hard. Well, we're doing it
36:31
Speaker 4: because it's the right thing, not because it's easy. And
36:35
Speaker 4: we have had some criticism and we'll get some criticism
36:39
Speaker 4: about that, and the job of government, I think is
36:44
Speaker 4: to be prepared to listen, be prepared to engage, and
36:51
Speaker 4: where essentially people have made a clear case to do so,
36:58
Speaker 4: make a tough decision. And so we will introduce legislation
37:04
Speaker 4: to make this change. And the question for those people
37:09
Speaker 4: who say it's the wrong thing to do is will
37:11
Speaker 4: they reverse it down the track? You know, because this
37:16
Speaker 4: is the right thing to do. And so there will
37:19
Speaker 4: be some personal criticism of me, and you know, I'll
37:25
Speaker 4: have to wear that that's the truth. But you've also
37:30
Speaker 4: got to be, you know, upfront that your views changed
37:34
Speaker 4: when it does, rather than say, oh, well, we'll wait
37:38
Speaker 4: for more years because the problem is getting worse unless
37:42
Speaker 4: we intervened.
37:43
Speaker 1: So when something gets put on your desk, like you've
37:46
Speaker 1: come out and said we're not going to change negative gearing,
37:48
Speaker 1: and then something gets put on your desk to say, look,
37:51
Speaker 1: this would be really beneficial for the economy, we need
37:54
Speaker 1: to consider it. How does that make you feel when
37:57
Speaker 1: you go I know that I promised Australia that I
38:00
Speaker 1: wouldn't do this, and now do you feel like you
38:03
Speaker 1: have to?
38:03
Speaker 3: Like?
38:03
Speaker 1: What does that feel like? I guess from a personal perspective.
38:07
Speaker 4: That certainly is a major factor and something that you
38:12
Speaker 4: have to bear in mind. During the last turn, we
38:16
Speaker 4: changed where the tax cuts were going. They were going
38:19
Speaker 4: to benefit people like me. We're going to get the
38:23
Speaker 4: big benefit, and low income earners, particularly young people anyway
38:29
Speaker 4: I'm working part time wouldn't have got a cent from
38:34
Speaker 4: the tax cuts. We made a tough decision. We went
38:37
Speaker 4: out there. I went to the National Press Club and
38:40
Speaker 4: said we're going to do this and we put our
38:43
Speaker 4: case and we're putting our case on these changes as well.
38:49
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk a little bit about the fuel excise,
38:52
Speaker 1: so we know that that ends on June thirty, which,
38:55
Speaker 1: by the way, happens to be my birthday. But understandably,
39:00
Speaker 1: Unity is pretty nervous because fuel is very expensive and
39:03
Speaker 1: something that we don't have a lot of choice over
39:05
Speaker 1: whether we purchase or not. Can you ease our nerves
39:08
Speaker 1: a little bit? What budgetary considerations have been made to
39:12
Speaker 1: provide some relief once this ends.
39:15
Speaker 4: We'll make decisions at the time closer to that date.
39:19
Speaker 4: We made decision to cut the fuel excise in half,
39:23
Speaker 4: but we also cut to zero the funds or support
39:30
Speaker 4: that goes to heavy vehicle usage as well. The heavy
39:35
Speaker 4: vehicle used to charge we reduced to zero. This war
39:41
Speaker 4: is on the other side of the world. We're not protagonists,
39:44
Speaker 4: but we don't have control over it, so we'll wait
39:47
Speaker 4: and see as it is. I've got to say that
39:51
Speaker 4: the price of fuel has dropped dramatically, not just because
39:57
Speaker 4: of the fuel tax decrease, which is they're cutting that
40:05
Speaker 4: in half, but also because of the supply issue. That
40:08
Speaker 4: is also costing us some investment money as well. So
40:14
Speaker 4: we're doing it in two different ways that are coming together.
40:18
Speaker 4: We've got a fourteen and a half billion dollar fuel
40:21
Speaker 4: security package in this budget. We think that will make
40:26
Speaker 4: a substantial difference and is making a substantial difference. But
40:30
Speaker 4: the truth is that there's volatility in the system. I
40:34
Speaker 4: think people know that, and particularly you know, people who
40:38
Speaker 4: listen to this podcast will know that as well, who
40:42
Speaker 4: are interested in the state.
40:43
Speaker 1: Of the world, well, the whole economy is incredibly volatile
40:47
Speaker 1: at the moment, and there's just so much going on.
40:50
Speaker 4: It's an extraordinary position that we're going through, one we
40:53
Speaker 4: didn't see coming before February twenty eight. But governments have
40:57
Speaker 4: to deal with it. We're dealing with it best as possible,
41:01
Speaker 4: and it is something we are conscious of going forward.
41:04
Speaker 4: But what we hope for is a de escalation in
41:08
Speaker 4: the war. We want to see the Gulf of Hollmers opened,
41:11
Speaker 4: and we want to see normal trade resume.
41:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess that's a good touch point. Obviously
41:17
Speaker 1: with the ongoing US Israeli war on Iran, it's fueled
41:20
Speaker 1: so many conversations about our own resources and our economic resilience.
41:26
Speaker 1: And governments reassess policy settings all the time when circumstances
41:30
Speaker 1: change and things are different, and we've seen that shift
41:33
Speaker 1: on policies like capital gains tax and negative gearing and
41:37
Speaker 1: we've already touched on that in this interview. So with
41:40
Speaker 1: that in mind, and when it comes to tax, will
41:44
Speaker 1: we be reserved will we be revisiting the mining tax?
41:48
Speaker 4: Prime Minister, Well, we have a PRRT that we did
41:53
Speaker 4: in the first term of petroleum resource rent tax, and
41:58
Speaker 4: there has been substantial misinformation out there to be frank.
42:04
Speaker 4: The gas sector paid twenty two billion dollars in taxes
42:10
Speaker 4: last year. They pay company tax, they pay royalties as
42:15
Speaker 4: well as the power RT And the big issue that
42:19
Speaker 4: we have concentrated on at the moment is supply. Doesn't
42:24
Speaker 4: mean you can have any theoretical argument you like about
42:29
Speaker 4: resources and fuel. The question is do we have fuel,
42:33
Speaker 4: which in the lead up to easter, that was the
42:35
Speaker 4: big issue which was there. And part of the reason
42:40
Speaker 4: why we've been able to secure those fuel supplies is
42:44
Speaker 4: that we are a country that one thing we will
42:47
Speaker 4: never we don't revisit because of the issue of economic
42:52
Speaker 4: sovereignty is contracts, which we have. So when you have
42:57
Speaker 4: a contract that's in place, that's a two way street.
43:04
Speaker 4: That's the way that international trade has to operate. So
43:10
Speaker 4: at the moment, our absolute priority is based upon supply,
43:15
Speaker 4: and I think that's been the right priority.
43:17
Speaker 1: I feel like that makes sense. Now I'm going to
43:21
Speaker 1: lay off the heat. I feel like that's been really good.
43:23
Speaker 1: And I know that I'm running out of time with
43:25
Speaker 1: you guys. If it is okay, I would love to
43:28
Speaker 1: do some quick fire questions really quickly. Last time you
43:31
Speaker 1: and I did this. It was a lot of fun. Katie,
43:34
Speaker 1: You're in for a little bit of hopefully fun. Essentially
43:39
Speaker 1: has to do it this time.
43:41
Speaker 4: Both both why the Prime Minister is able to allocate
43:44
Speaker 4: ministry so we can give different decisions to others.
43:48
Speaker 1: Okay, I like this, So if I'm going to be
43:49
Speaker 1: any minister, I want to be the Prime Minister so
43:51
Speaker 1: that I can delegate exactly. Okay, perfect. Now with these, Katie,
43:56
Speaker 1: we're just going with our gut and they are usually
43:59
Speaker 1: pop culture your references. What are your thoughts on making
44:03
Speaker 1: your own sourdough?
44:05
Speaker 4: I wish I could.
44:06
Speaker 1: Is that a thing for you, Katie?
44:08
Speaker 3: I love eating it.
44:09
Speaker 1: Haven't made it same except when it scratches the roof
44:13
Speaker 1: of your mouth and then you're like, it was good,
44:15
Speaker 1: but was it worth it?
44:16
Speaker 4: I'm on a low carb diet too, so fancy trying
44:22
Speaker 4: to avoid bread as much as possible. I don't you know,
44:26
Speaker 4: I'm not completely disciplined about it, but I do try.
44:30
Speaker 4: This job's really hard.
44:31
Speaker 1: You go to just thread nibbles a croissant a day.
44:36
Speaker 1: A croissant. I feel like, yeah, same.
44:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, same. I have salad for lunch.
44:41
Speaker 1: Absolutely not absolutely, you know what that would make you
44:44
Speaker 1: quite depressed. I think we can change all right, tell
44:47
Speaker 1: me subscription creep, hmmm, what is it having too many subscriptions?
44:55
Speaker 1: Like no, just for you guys. Are we Netflix stand
44:58
Speaker 1: every Apple subscription?
45:00
Speaker 4: And is it a problem?
45:01
Speaker 2: Yeah?
45:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, is it a problem?
45:02
Speaker 4: Yeah?
45:02
Speaker 3: I've got a building network of subscriptions for sure.
45:05
Speaker 1: I like that. I don't have time, you don't have time.
45:08
Speaker 1: I like it. Thoughts on chat GPT.
45:13
Speaker 4: It is a fact of life that AI is going
45:19
Speaker 4: to have a huge impact on the way that we work,
45:22
Speaker 4: the way that we live. What we'll going to do
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Speaker 4: is make sure that humans are still in control.
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Speaker 3: I find it helpful, but agree on the big stuff
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Speaker 3: that I do. Ask quite a lot of questions.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't want that search history public, neither would I.
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Speaker 1: How do you make sourdo? Yeah? That's how I'm using
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Speaker 1: it as well. I feel like I need to level
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Speaker 1: up on my AI capabilities. The single tax, the tax
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Speaker 1: on single people.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what.
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Speaker 1: It's not a specific tax. It's more that life is
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Speaker 1: more expensive when I.
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Speaker 3: See, well, you know, I think we try and make
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Speaker 3: sure that the tax system works for everybody. I don't
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Speaker 3: think you know, you don't we don't come at it
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Speaker 3: with that view at all, that we're trying to disadvantage
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Speaker 3: any particular.
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Speaker 4: Well, it is something I'm very conscious of, mainly because
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Speaker 4: of my now wife, Jodie Hayden, who works in the
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Speaker 4: finance sector. It's very conscious about it. She felt like
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Speaker 4: the system particularly didn't work for her for a long
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Speaker 4: period of time.
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Speaker 1: Well, maybe we could have single in the budget next year,
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Speaker 1: because I did do a quick little control off of
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Speaker 1: the hundreds and hundreds of pages and not once did
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Speaker 1: we mention single people and how the world is a
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Speaker 1: lot more expensive for choosing not to settle down with
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Speaker 1: the wrong person. Tell me about looks maxing looks maxing
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Speaker 1: looks maxing. Fine, it is a pop culture reference where
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Speaker 1: there are a group of men, mainly in America, who
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Speaker 1: are trying to make themselves the most esthetic versions of
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Speaker 1: themselves because they think they'll be more powerful.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's one of those things that you know,
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Speaker 3: it's another like having a young son as well. I
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Speaker 3: know this kind of hyper masculinity and kind of this.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's a big thing.
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Speaker 3: It's a big thing on social media, and so yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's one of another thing that we try to you know,
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Speaker 3: manage his parents and you know it's a lot, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: It is support.
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Speaker 4: I think the pressure on as much as going to
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Speaker 4: be made. The pressure on women is so much more
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Speaker 4: than pressure on me. And I know around this building,
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Speaker 4: you know I got a white shirt on here.
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Speaker 1: Oh that would never work. We can't just roll out time.
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Speaker 4: You just change your tie. That must be really and
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Speaker 4: you can do that. Whereas the press shrem women, people
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Speaker 4: will comment on what they're wearing and how it looks.
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Speaker 4: It isn't the right right look, I think we have
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Speaker 4: it easy.
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Speaker 1: What about the price of eggs? How much does it
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Speaker 1: does an egg cost?
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Speaker 4: Does it depend? This is of course always a trick
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Speaker 4: question because there are so many different It is.
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Speaker 1: All right, but we're not buying cage eggs, are were
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister?
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Speaker 4: No?
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Speaker 1: No, of course not, thank so. What's what's some free
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Speaker 1: range eggs?
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Speaker 4: So the last time I looked was around about six dollars.
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Speaker 1: Seventy Okay, I feel like that might be a little
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Speaker 1: bit off, but we will pretend to that that wasn't
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Speaker 1: a thing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well there I was buying some the other day
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Speaker 3: and there's there's some pretty good offers at my local
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Speaker 3: IgA in that order around six point fifty good damn
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Speaker 3: free range.
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Speaker 1: Yeah all right, well I might buy eggs in Cambra,
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Speaker 1: not Melbourne. All right. Tell me about the met Gala.
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Speaker 4: Oh gee, some of the look you couldn't look away
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Speaker 4: from it. It was everywhere, And I think that some
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Speaker 4: people looked spectacularly good and some just looked really weird.
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Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, like I'm glad I'm in finance.
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Speaker 1: Like wearing film, It's a choice, isn't it.
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Speaker 4: Sabrina Carpenter is wonderful.
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Speaker 1: But she heard it here first.
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Speaker 4: On the film wrapped around her from Sabrina the movie,
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Speaker 4: which was an interesting choice. And there were others who
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Speaker 4: had like separate arms up and it's a choice false
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Speaker 4: arms and things. That was quite spectacular. Now some of
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Speaker 4: it was just weird.
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Speaker 1: Now. Last time I was here, we spoke about our dogs,
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Speaker 1: because we both bring our dogs to work.
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Speaker 4: And I will bring up my dog at any exactly
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Speaker 4: and I must. There is competition. There is because Pip,
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Speaker 4: which is Katie's dog, is also very love.
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Speaker 1: I know Pip, She's a very beautiful rescue kelpie. But
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Speaker 1: in our community, I charge my community members what I
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Speaker 1: call pet tax. So if anyone in our community mentions
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Speaker 1: their dog, they have to send me a photo of
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Speaker 1: their dog, because I find that quite rue. Fair enough
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Speaker 1: for you to mention the dog and not share an image.
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Speaker 1: Would you share photos of your dogs with me later
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Speaker 1: to share with my community.
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Speaker 4: I do it regularly. Thank you?
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Speaker 1: You do you do? Last time I was here, you
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Speaker 1: air dropped me a few.
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Speaker 4: You can pick my Instagram posts that I put up personally,
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Speaker 4: much of the chagrin of my social media team, because
50:46
Speaker 4: they're always successful if they include Toto that is true,
50:50
Speaker 4: not enough Toto content.
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Speaker 1: Give the people what they want exactly. Prime Minister men,
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Speaker 1: it is.
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Speaker 4: The ring bearer in our wedding.
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Speaker 1: See we'll need a picture of that, I think. Drop
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Speaker 1: it into the peck tax thread on my Facebook group,
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