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Raising Arizona vs Peggy Sue Got Married · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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Oh, God. Oh, my God.
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Real quick about
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how tall do we think this guy is?
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Oh, because it's going to grow.
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I would say that's like one point seven five inches.
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Oh, my goodness. You're a ruler.
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Yeah, but I don't want to go all the way back to my one point seven five seems good.
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All right. Something like that.
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Well, we'll call it there.
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All right. All right. Let me say that.
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I don't think that that container is going to be able to contain the stress.
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Sasquatch can anything contain the Sasquatch? No.
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I would give it four centimeters.
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Hmm. Going European.
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Now I have to get a rule.
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Yeah, now we're going to find out.
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Now we're we need the truth.
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All right. What was the measurement?
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Just a hair over two inches.
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Oh, OK.
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OK. So five point something centimeters.
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I think we both won because we didn't go over.
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Yeah. Price is right. Rules.
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We win.
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Also, I do want to warn you guys that literally I wasn't joking
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that I'm the worst person to do this because I don't know anything about movies.
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Neither do I. That's not the point. Oh, great.
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Oh, yeah. No, no. That's why we're not film critics.
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That's why we're not like finding the critically best Nicholas Cage movie.
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This is that would be too easy.
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Like we could just Google that. Right.
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And it would be.
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I think Las Vegas.
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That's what I was going to say.
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Just because that's the serious.
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Well, it's the one you got an Oscar for. Right.
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So critically, that's got to be the best.
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What was his Oscar nomination for for adaptation?
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Was it best actor, best supporting actor?
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That's a good question, actually. OK, good.
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I feel like I'm on my level because these are all the questions
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I could never answer, but you guys can play the twins.
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He played twins in that movie.
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So I think it was both two nominations. Yeah. Right.
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It should. Well, because I'm moving one like almost everything
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except for best actor.
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I thought it was nominated for writing.
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It definitely was nominated for it as well. Oh, did he?
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OK. Oh, and we can Google stuff. Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah, because we edit the shit out of it.
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So any time you got to look something up, maybe I should get my phone.
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So I have to Google everything. Yeah, go for it.
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OK. Not going to hurt our feelings.
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I don't bother Googling it anymore because I'm just going to lie.
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Yeah. Just do it off the dome. Make it up. Yeah.
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Yeah, absolutely. This podcast, you can do anything.
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It's you know, there's a world of freedom in not respecting your audience.
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Yeah. That just opens up.
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And I feel that way. It shows.
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So Chris Cooper got the nomination for best supporting role
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and Nick is best actor in a leading role.
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I think it should have been Donald was the better character.
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Yeah, I agree with that.
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I got shot. You seen that?
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That fucked up.
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No, I didn't even know that was a movie.
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This is a level that you're working with here.
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But what's it? Do you want to summarize it briefly?
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Just Nick Cage plays Charlie Kaufman, real life writer
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Charlie Kaufman in a movie written by Charlie Kaufman
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about him not writing a movie about plants.
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Yeah. Yeah. He's trying to adapt a book
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that doesn't have like a plot into a film.
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And he's struggling to do that because obviously there's
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challenges involved in writing something that doesn't have plot
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because it's about plants and he struggles.
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But then he's got this fictional twin brother
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who decides that he wants to get into film writing.
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And he basically starts writing like Michael Bay movies and becomes popular.
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And Charlie Kaufman just gets more neurotic about it.
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But the best like this movie, the best part about it is real life.
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Charlie Kaufman was supposed to write a book about plants
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or write a movie about plants and instead wrote this movie
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about not being able to write a movie about plants and turn that in.
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And it's got made.
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Weirdly meta. It's the same guy who made Being John Malkovich.
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Oh, yeah. So it's got that kind of level.
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Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
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OK, I'm going to watch that one next.
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Yeah. All right.
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Two and a half, two and a hair and Sasquatch going into the water.
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Start the timer.
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Boy, that was anti-climactic.
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I do the timer. It's moist.
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No, it's fine.
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OK. Also, we surprise later.
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I saw I saw Horn earlier and he was like,
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I don't listen to your podcast anymore because I hate that you didn't make
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adaptation go forward.
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I was like, dude, that was episode two. Yeah.
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Oh, you really dug in.
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We're on episode like 41 right now.
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Yeah, this is a thing we're doing.
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Give it another listen.
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I'm sorry we lost out on you, Nick.
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Yeah, I want that viewership.
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It's probably made a lot of people angry is what I'm guessing.
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Oh, absolutely. Oh, we have.
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I mean, we realize that you could see them are here.
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The majority I thought it was like you're going to do them all.
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And then we've been doing this for well over a year.
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Oh, yeah. OK.
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So I've missed the boat on that, too.
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But I'm going to go back.
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I'm going to listen to every single one.
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Don't start starting at like episode seven.
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I'd say seven, eight.
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We kind of hit a little bit of a stride
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and figure out that we're not good at reviewing movies.
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The same day we had to switch into Hayden's room.
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Peter just yelled at us.
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Yeah, I became dead that day.
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I was just I had no patience for the two movies and it was just a nonsense day.
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So did that explosion make the cut like the edit cut?
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No, no.
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But I have the raw audio for a new $15 tier.
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I'm going to hear me be a dick.
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Listen to Peter Dressus down. Yeah.
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Before we get going, I do have a couple of Christmas gifts.
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Oh, that one's for Peter.
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Thank you.
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So sweet.
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Oh, also, happy New Year.
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Happy New Year.
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Oh, yeah, it's the first.
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I didn't bring you guys any presents.
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I didn't bring you anything either,
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but you're welcome to share this coffee with me.
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It's opened and I've drank three quarters of it.
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I'd love to. OK.
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Thank you.
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Oh, I think I just tried that and it's delicious.
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Thank you. Yeah.
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I also got a a sign machine.
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So here is a shock sign.
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Here's a female side.
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Wow.
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I figure these are things that you guys can use
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ongoing in your friendships.
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End of the world, say is good.
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Oh, what are we going to do?
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I got an instant audience.
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So here's applause.
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You're going to use that one a lot, aren't you?
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Yeah. Wow.
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You shouldn't have given this to me at the beginning of the plot.
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I know now we have too much weird power.
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This isn't my problem.
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This is Peter's problem.
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Peter's going to have to edit all of this out.
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Oh, damn it, Nick.
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Oh, you know, I mean, use your sign machine for that.
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I put it on the floor already.
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Now, speaking of things you guys are tired of, welcome back to Cage
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Match, going around about way of meeting Nicholas Cage.
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I'm your host, Sean, here with my co-host Nick and Nick
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and our producer Peter. Hello.
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And we have a special guest today, Alex Guy. Hello.
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Welcome to Cage Match. Thank you.
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We take 64 Nicholas Cage movies and figure out what
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the most like Nicholas Cage movie is by as decided by us. Yeah.
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Yeah. And people on the Internet kind of think that we're OK.
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Hey, yeah, that's a good line.
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There are dozens of us.
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Yeah, that's about the right number.
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So, Alex, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself?
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Just in general.
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And then what is your relationship with Nick Cage up to this point?
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OK, I'm Alex Guy.
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I am from Seattle, which is weird.
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I'm a musician and I play violin and viola and piano.
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And I tour around a lot.
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But my secret, an ideal dream job when I was growing up
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were either being a librarian or a comedian.
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This is my first shot at doing anything funny.
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So I'm very, very excited.
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I'm expecting to fail pretty badly, but I feel like that will build characters.
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So I'm ready for that.
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And OK, let's see.
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My relationship with Nicholas Cage is, I think, more or less nonexistent.
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Like I could have picked him out of the lineup or if he walked down the street,
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especially if he was dressed as one of the characters of the very few movies
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I've seen him in, I could probably recognize him.
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But pretty much none.
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So this was kind of fun to just get to know him a little bit
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in two weird semi slapstick contexts.
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Oh, and these are good films, too. These are.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, Raising Arizona and Peggy Sue got married.
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People have fond memories about these films.
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Oh, yeah.
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I would love to meet the person who doesn't have fond memories of them.
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Like, well, I was just thinking about it.
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It's like, oh, what would non fond memories like who was getting like
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just beat up in the back of like a sizzler
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while Peggy Sue got married was on the TV?
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It's like, that's a terrible story.
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You don't want to remember that.
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It would be the soundtrack to Raising Arizona.
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The.
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I don't know. My sister,
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when I said we were watching this the first time, she was very like,
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that voice.
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So people are just voice people are strong.
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Oh, yeah. Nicholas Cage's voice in this film.
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So I assume we're talking about Peggy Sue got married.
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Sure. Yeah.
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Started out. Yeah.
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OK, I would say I totally agree with the voice because I again,
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I wasn't familiar with Nick Cage too much.
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But when I saw him in Raising Arizona, I was like, oh, my God,
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I like this guy so much more.
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Like he drove me crazy and Peggy Sue got married, to be quite honest.
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Just a quick summarization.
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The Peggy Sue got married Peggy Sue in the midst of
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going through a divorce, goes to her 25th anniversary,
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like high school reunion has kind of a
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a mental breakdown when Nicholas Cage, her husband shows up
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and so she faints, then goes back in time
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and to when she was a kid and enjoys all the things she didn't get to enjoy
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because she was in this relationship.
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But then in the end decides, however, to move forward.
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And maybe things change, maybe they don't change.
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And maybe she changed the past.
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But obviously not significantly.
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Oh, yeah. Was there any? OK.
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Like, so one of the things is that Nick Cage in high school wants to be a musician.
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But you know, from the beginning of the movie that he's like a failed musician.
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Yeah, essentially.
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But then did any of was any of that even any different?
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Like, do you guys remember?
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The one thing they have is the poet kid,
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not Dedric Bader, not Dedric Bader, but looks a lot like a young Dedric Bader.
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Yeah, he sure does.
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He like what's he dedicated, dedicated like in the forward or well,
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not the forward, the dedication.
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He dedicates the book to her, even though in high school,
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originally they never interacted. Right. OK.
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I think there were a lot of things that ended up getting cut out of a longer
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version of this movie.
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Like there was the woman who is at the reunion in a wheelchair.
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And it's like, oh, Barbara or whatever.
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And that was supposed to be a whole story arc and it never gets played out.
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Well, there's context.
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There's the scene where like the guy's driving
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and the girl's making out with them while they're driving.
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And that's when they see Peggy Sue with not Dedric Bader.
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And I'm like, this is this is when she gets put in the wheelchair.
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But it's it wasn't the same woman.
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Now, technically, it could have been that moment when they run her over.
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Just a little hit and a little light hit and run in the 50s between friends.
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What's the big deal?
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I think you sweep that under the rug in the 50s, usually.
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Well, if your family's wealthy in town, then just easily dismissed.
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When first thing you do when you go back in time is we've learned
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through any time travel movies, you get drunk.
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Oh, yeah. With your parents.
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Boldly. But then, yeah, the parents were all like you were drinking.
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And what's the 50s?
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Yeah, probably fine.
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Like, it wouldn't be very proper of her.
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She's a senior in high school.
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She might be 18.
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I'm pretty sure that was the drinking age at that point, wasn't it?
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What did the drinking age change?
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No, it would have been 18 at that point.
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Probably. So they probably were because they go to that bar
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or the club at one point.
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She and not Dedric Bader.
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Oh, and she gets served a drink.
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Yeah, right. Yeah.
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And they leave the trick, Bader, a whole bottle, a whole bottle.
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Yeah. Don't take it with them.
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Those idiots.
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That's very spaghetti Western.
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Because the first person, the first woman ever
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touches his throbbing thrill hammer is still in love with her ex boyfriend.
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Do you think she was his first? Probably.
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He kind of acted like he was real epic and dramatic about it.
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He was very much like, you're going to move with me to Utah and pull polygamy is legal.
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Race chickens. That's right.
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Yeah, chickens. That was a weird, weird reach.
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Weird reach, dude.
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It was a strange decision.
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I don't from a film standpoint, it's like that's a fucking curveball.
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I wasn't expecting.
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I mean, I still find it so upsetting that you're a woman in your mid 40s
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fully on board and in love with the 17 year old's poetry.
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Now hold on. I have to sleep with them.
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Let's let me. OK, wait.
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That poetry was sick.
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Yeah, that's really powerful.
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Like I could get I could get by with like, OK, it's with Nick Cage,
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because that's your ex husband.
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You did like have 20 out of years together.
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You slept with him already. That's fine.
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But now you're in love with the 17 year old poet.
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Here's a question that I've got that's going to make us think.
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Maybe not much and maybe not very deeply.
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Are you guys ready for thinking?
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I'm ready for the thing.
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So if you go back in time, say you're like 40 years old or something,
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you go back in time to like when you're 20, we'll say 20, 21.
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Twenty one's a great time to go back in time to.
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And you are at a bar and like, say you're going to hook up with somebody.
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Is it weird and creepy because mentally you're like 40?
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But like your body is 20, you went back in time.
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What what are the time travelers laws
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regarding like half your age plus seven or whatever?
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That is a great question.
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I think the laws are out the window, but it's personal preference.
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So you should answer for yourself.
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What would you do? Ask the time cops.
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Yeah.
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Fuck the time cops.
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I don't know. I got nothing for that.
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Now, I'm not going to put myself out there on this one.
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I might have a real problematic opinion on this.
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I don't know. I mean,
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like, but stuff only, I guess.
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I was going to say foot stuff only.
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Oh, yeah, that's fair.
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Two loopholes.
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It's fine. At 21, you're at a bar.
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It just in terms of like consent age, still weird.
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I think it's more a mental thing, but just the fact that they're young.
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Deirdre Fader is a consenting adult in this movie.
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Yeah, he was 18.
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Oh, yeah, that's true.
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Also, she had like she'd had such a fantasy about him for so long,
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and she had just seen him.
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No, she's just seen the picture in the union.
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Oh, and those track shorts.
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Yes. It is like startling eyes, which also he didn't do anything athletic
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in the actual. No, he's the worst runner lately.
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But I could see why.
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I mean, personally, for me, I think that if I went back, I just
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I'm not actually attracted to people in their early 20s anymore
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because I am a person in their mid 40s.
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Well, that's not why it's just sort of naturally happened.
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So I doubt I would probably go for some older person
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and they would think that they were hooking up with a young person.
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Little did they know they would be hooking up with a middle aged person
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like a honeypot situation.
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Totally. So that's probably what I would do.
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I do like this idea of sleeping with older people going back in time,
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but more in terms of like weaponizing that
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because you could start taking out people you don't like
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once they're nice and old and sleep with you by fucking them to death.
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Right. Yeah.
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Well, you've got all this like youthful energy and you can harness it
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with your like old person mentality and give them heart attacks.
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Wow. OK.
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You're trying to get the will. You're a black widow.
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The perfect crime. Wow.
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All right. This really motivates motivates me to want to build a time machine.
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So thanks for that.
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No, I really like Peggy.
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So you got married. I can't remember if I said this last time,
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but this is kind of a reverse big.
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Yeah, a little bit.
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I do like how they get over the whole like in this era of filmmaking,
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all teenagers just look 30 by just not having teenagers in this movie.
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Totally. Yeah.
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Oh, one thing that was weird, I was looking at ages of people
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and Nick Cage when he filmed this was 22, I think.
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And Helen Hunt, who plays his future daughter, was 24.
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It's like weird, but that makes sense in terms of.
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No, I mean, it's all fine, but it's just still strange.
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Just like teenager thing, because she's also playing like a 15 year old or something.
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No, she was just their first kid, wasn't she?
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She'd be because they got Peggy Sue got pregnant at 18.
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And then what reunion was it? 25th. All right.
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So that's perfect. Yeah. All right.
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How about Sophia Coppola? Let's come back to that.
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Oh, so rough teenagers are weird.
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Oh, she played the little sister.
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I totally miss that. Wow. OK.
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I have an assumption that like most of Peggy Sue's family died
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in a horrible bus crash at some point. Oh.
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Driven by Sophia. Maybe because she's just so like
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when she sees her sister, she's like so overwhelmed.
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She hasn't seen her sister in years. So I'm assuming she's dead.
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Or they're just estranged because that was the other.
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I was wondering that, too. Is she dead or is it just that they don't talk at all
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anymore? I mean, I wouldn't want to talk to that.
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Right. I mean, it's understandable.
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We talked about it a bit, but Nicholas Cage's
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vocal affectations in this film. Good God.
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It's so good. I love his voice.
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I love a Nicholas Cage voice after G Force.
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It's now I get it.
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I'm 100 percent on board with this voice.
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Yeah, that was one of the big things, Alex.
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I don't know if you knew this, but this was directed by his uncle.
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And he kind of came to set and just started talking in that voice.
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And everyone was like, fuck that, stop it.
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And then he was like, nope, not gonna.
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And the uncle tried to get him to stop and he did not.
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Yeah. Wow. So was he already famous at that point?
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No. Oh, so he's just kind of like a surly badass.
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Yeah. I mean, it's a weird flex to be like, oh, Peggy Sue.
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I mean, OK, so they had just had to live with it.
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Yeah, I could see. Here's what here's how I took it.
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I did not know that. But and it was so weird and annoying.
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But then I also thought, OK, he's trying to be an artist, right?
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He's trying to be a musician.
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He's a teenage boy and he's
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kind of a big fish in a small pond in some ways.
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And I could actually see some dorky teenage boy doing that on purpose
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to just like try it out and be different and be interesting or whatever.
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So it could kind of work in that context, maybe.
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I don't know why I'm defending it because I found it super annoying.
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I kind of read it because he commits heart to any role he plays.
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And I was like, he's supposed to be this big deal,
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but never goes on, goes on to just media awkward.
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He goes on to being a crazy Charlie, crazy Charlie.
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Right. So just like. Is he just trying to play up that
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he's actually just kind of a dorky kid, like refers to himself as Mr.
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Entertainment. Oh, when he aspect, he says like,
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do you think people still like me if I'm no longer Mr.
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Entertainment? I was like, do people like him to begin with?
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All I can think is like, people probably like you more if you stop calling yourself
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that. Right. I don't know.
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I've never stopped calling myself names like Nikki Showbiz.
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And I haven't been involved in that in forever.
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Nikki Showbiz. Yeah, that's you.
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Let's do two Z's. Two Z's.
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Oh, nice biz.
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So do we want to talk about the attempted murder in the room?
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Yeah, that scene is so weird.
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I still do not understand it.
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So it's that scene where he's sneaking into her room at night and like.
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The pillow. Yeah. Yeah.
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So first, the creepy fingers.
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Again, that had to be something he just did and they couldn't get him to stop.
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Yeah, it makes no sense in the movie.
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I'm assuming when he's lit and he sees the shadow, he's just like
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because he's always wanted to play Dracula.
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So that was him trying to do a nose for a rock tooth thing.
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For sure. Poorly.
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I think the character also like Charlie just has such a love for like
20:14
melodrama and those.
20:18
I'm not super well versed in the entertainment of the 50s, but
20:21
or this was 1960, but 50s and 60s.
20:25
I imagine that the acting was much larger in that time.
20:30
And so he probably had a real melodramatic flair being Mr.
20:34
Entertainment and all there.
20:38
That's what I would have done.
20:39
But why did he try and murder her?
20:41
Because she slept with a homeboy.
20:44
I mean, he just thought about it.
20:46
Right. Like he didn't actually press the pillow on her face.
20:49
She woke up.
20:50
Oh, well, OK, I wasn't totally sure on that.
20:52
If he kind of like put the pillow aside and then because she was sort of talking
20:55
in her sleep and yeah, that was weird.
20:57
And then he was like, let's go to the basement.
20:59
And I was like, oh, he's actually going to kill her.
21:01
Don't go to a second location.
21:03
Why? She's like, OK, just walks down there with him.
21:06
Yeah, that was that was strange.
21:09
Were there any other attempted murders in the movie or is that just the one?
21:12
I think that was the only one.
21:14
And whatever happened to the lady in the wheelchair? Yeah.
21:17
Well, you Nick looked up that the woman that Charlie cheats on Peggy Sue
21:22
with is credited in the film, but her scene got. Oh, yeah.
21:25
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
21:28
It was only his own dammit was only ever only ever in two other films.
21:31
The actress. Yeah.
21:32
But then she directed a few things, but not much. Yeah.
21:35
Yeah. So she has a credited role, but her scenes were cut is what it was.
21:39
Dang. So weird.
21:40
That's her name still does show up in the credits. Yeah.
21:43
Can you imagine the like director's cut or the uncut version of this movie?
21:47
It's so many cyborgs.
21:48
It's pretty fucking long.
21:50
And I cannot imagine what they really would have put in there
21:53
that would have made it better.
21:55
I mean, this is what an hour 40 hour 40.
21:57
Yeah, it feels like a strong.
21:59
It does feel like it did.
22:01
I felt like I was doing homework when I mean, I'm going to reveal my opinion.
22:05
Wait, is it too soon?
22:06
Oh, that's fine. No, you can say it.
22:07
And I just like, OK, I just feel like there's no contest
22:10
because this movie felt like doing homework.
22:13
I was like, OK, I agreed to do this.
22:15
I have to get through this film.
22:16
But I was like and I didn't do I was going to like fold laundry.
22:19
I was like, just watch the movie.
22:20
But I just feel like, OK, so one of the things is that
22:25
what's the name of the person who plays Peggy Sue? Kathleen Turner.
22:28
Thank you. OK. Who I love.
22:30
Don't look to me for names.
22:31
That is definitely not my thing.
22:33
Like no names. Yeah.
22:34
Nicky showed us no names.
22:36
I'm glad you wrote your name down.
22:38
So I did come back to that every week.
22:41
Well, I was just going to say that, like
22:43
multiple things I loved about Raising Arizona.
22:45
But the contrast for me of how Raising Arizona was so fucking funny,
22:49
but also had a lot of emotion behind it.
22:51
And I felt like Peggy Sue was just like kind of slapstick fake.
22:55
Like there was no real it's sort of funny.
22:57
But then it's also like there was nothing to grab on to of like
23:00
actually caring about people or like empathizing.
23:02
Whereas Raising Arizona was like everything like in a very explosive way.
23:05
Like so I kind of was missing that in the movie for a little gray.
23:10
But the other thing is that the way that she acts like when she's in her teenage
23:14
body, I think she's trying to be sort of like extra exuberant
23:18
and like really like girlish.
23:20
But she was already acting that way from like the first moment of the film.
23:24
And I was like, yeah, she's so like wishy washy,
23:27
like putting the dress on and stuff in the beginning, like,
23:29
oh, maybe I shouldn't do this.
23:31
Oh, this is foolish. I shouldn't.
23:33
Yeah. It could just be her deal.
23:34
But I was also like it would have been interesting if there was like more of a switch
23:37
when she actually went from one time to the other or something.
23:40
Yeah, I think Charlie really fucked with her head.
23:44
Yeah. In their marriage.
23:46
She seems very neurotic.
23:47
OK, so I should have more sympathy for her.
23:49
No, you don't have to have sympathy for her.
23:51
I don't have sympathy for her. Yeah.
23:53
I will say, oh, my God.
23:54
Sorry, I got to talk about her distraught face.
23:56
I was just about to ask you about her distraught face.
24:01
Everything's so hard.
24:04
Oh, this is a time where I really wish that everyone could see next
24:08
day, which very rarely one more.
24:12
That's pretty good.
24:15
That's very true to life, actually.
24:16
For the patrons. Yeah, good.
24:19
You lucky people who give us money.
24:21
You get to see Nick's face.
24:24
You guys don't reveal our emails or anything, right?
24:26
Because I'm sure there's people who love this movie that currently hate me.
24:29
Oh, no, no. OK.
24:30
Of the 12 or however many people are listening, it's like, oh,
24:33
it's at least 13. OK.
24:35
There's got to be at least two who are going to track me down.
24:38
You had seen this movie before, though, Alex, correct?
24:41
Yeah, I think so.
24:42
I think I saw it when I was maybe
24:45
maybe a teenager or maybe I just saw part of it on accident at some point.
24:49
Like, I didn't have a memory of the whole thing, but definitely
24:52
I had images in my head, so I'm sure I saw it some.
24:54
What is your opinion of Nicolas Cage's singing?
24:58
Oh, I thought he sounded good.
25:02
Am I? I could be.
25:03
I mean, I wasn't like really listening like to listen for that,
25:06
but I like I feel like he sounded good.
25:08
So he does give you two different, yeah, like genres of singing in this
25:12
between the R&B group and his like do op.
25:17
Yeah. Men's a cappella thing.
25:18
And his rewrite of a Beatles classic.
25:20
Well, I mean, that he totally bombs on.
25:22
I know. When he would change it to like,
25:24
you change, change the yes to use.
25:28
Yes to use.
25:30
Yes. So his songwriting choices leave something to be desired.
25:32
But but yeah, I mean, in the do up group, they were sort of like so so dorky.
25:36
It was more funny.
25:37
But like, yeah, I thought he sounded good.
25:40
I thought he was quite good.
25:41
Yeah. I enjoyed his voice in this.
25:43
I enjoyed it, too.
25:44
But I think Nicolas Cage is singing through the couple movies.
25:49
We've seen him sing in is pretty enjoyable for somebody who's dominantly an actor.
25:55
He's not looking to get an EGOT or anything. Right.
25:58
Although if he did, I'd be there for it.
26:00
Fuck, yeah. Yeah.
26:01
100 percent. You get it all in one go.
26:04
I do enjoy when he does when they do the quartet, the a cappella thing.
26:08
There is a guy with a guitar on the stage who's just snapping along.
26:14
He's just what did you say?
26:16
Nick is like, that's just the guy who brings the guitar to a party.
26:18
Oh, yeah. No. After that, he probably played Wonderwall.
26:22
Here's a new hit for you kids.
26:24
Yeah. He was on his own time travel adventure
26:26
to make Wonderwall smash it.
26:29
And it didn't take for years.
26:32
He's just been trying out this guy's from the year 38, nine.
26:35
And he he just came back in time.
26:38
He's like, there's a decade somewhere in this world that needs Wonderwall.
26:45
I'm the man to give it to them. Yeah.
26:48
I love Jim Carrey in that duop, though.
26:50
You know, he steals it for me.
26:52
Jim Carrey as Walt is a really good role.
26:54
So I like that weird.
26:56
It's weird. Like all these guys are such shitheads to. Oh, yeah.
27:01
Well, what is it that whatever Walt wants?
27:04
Walt, yeah, whatever Walter wants Walter gets.
27:08
And then we they like giggled after this.
27:09
I am so at the party.
27:11
It's like, hey, somebody turn out the lights so we can make out.
27:16
I mean, there are definitely parts of this film
27:17
involving the time travel aspect that I'm like, why do we need this?
27:21
Walt grinding up pharmaceuticals.
27:24
Not the every reunion.
27:26
Yeah. Is it pharmaceuticals or just coke?
27:28
Because I was pretty sure it was just coke.
27:30
Oh, he's no. He says the best thing about being a dentist
27:34
is the high grade pharmaceuticals.
27:35
Yeah. I was confused by that, too, because I was thinking it was coke.
27:38
And I was like, I don't know what that is, actually. Yeah.
27:41
And then the grandparents and the cult.
27:45
Yeah. And the great hats.
27:46
Let's talk about the great hats.
27:47
I mean, it's a lodge and every good lodge has hats.
27:51
That's what it says to it.
27:52
Peggy Sue, right? It's something along those lines.
27:55
But as somebody who's been involved in lodge functions, they have hats.
27:59
I love that their activities were like, let's teleport
28:03
a young woman back to the future and then we'll play cards. Yeah.
28:07
We haven't done this in like 20, 30 years.
28:08
Let's just send her back in time or forward in time and, you know,
28:12
then play cards.
28:13
She disappears from kidnapping and they're like, the girl's gone.
28:17
Get the cards.
28:18
That's the quickest Stockholm syndrome ever, because he kidnaps her.
28:22
They have about five minute little like argument and tussle in the greenhouse.
28:25
Then they get down to business.
28:27
And then you get Helen Hunt.
28:28
Then you get Helen Hunt.
28:29
They did get down to business in the rain. Yeah.
28:33
It was like a greenhouse. I think they had some cover. Yeah.
28:35
And I think they went outside of the greenhouse.
28:37
Like, yeah, he runs after her. It was a little sloppy. Yeah.
28:41
A little sloppy, floppy.
28:43
Wait, but that was the first time, too.
28:45
Yes. Remember, they were waiting till marriage.
28:47
That's right. Now, but it wasn't her first time.
28:50
Oh, it by Wang.
28:57
I have the voice that was born for this.
28:59
Yeah. Yours is perfect.
29:02
I don't really have much else to say about this movie unless you want to get
29:04
into a weird like time travel physics and how this they're dumb.
29:07
But I'm not.
29:09
I don't think Nick. I don't think Peter cares.
29:11
Not enough. Not enough for me to edit this.
29:14
We've already talked about age of consent laws. So.
29:18
Although probably because it was all just a faint and then a wake up,
29:21
it was probably just a dream.
29:22
Like, let's be real. Like, it wasn't a real.
29:24
There was the dedication in the.
29:25
Bucs. That's right.
29:27
The book. Yeah.
29:28
But even if it is, even if she thinks it's real, she wants to go back
29:31
to the future to be with her kids, but she's already broken up with.
29:35
Nicholas Cage. Right.
29:37
And they don't sleep together, which means she doesn't have kids in the future.
29:40
I think she hadn't thought it through.
29:41
No, I was going to say back to the future hadn't come out yet,
29:44
so she wouldn't have known how time travel works.
29:46
That's true. That's a good point.
29:48
But it is also true that like they didn't go very hard
29:50
into like making any plausible reason of how she could have ended up going back.
29:54
She just literally fainted from stress, which if that's if it's
29:58
as easy as that, we're all in trouble.
30:00
Well, unless it's unique to her, she could have just a special fainting powers.
30:05
OK, that's good.
30:06
She's like a fainting goat.
30:07
But instead of making a cool noise, she just goes back to when she was 18.
30:10
Isn't this essentially what Moira McTaggart
30:12
powers turned out to be in the new X-Men run?
30:15
Pretty much. Yeah.
30:16
Just dies and regains consciousness from birth again
30:20
and gets to relive her life, make new choices.
30:23
Whoa. That's a cool power.
30:26
Yeah, she has a limited number of times because she knows that eventually
30:30
there will be one that will be the end of it.
30:32
So she tries to make things right for all mutants in those
30:36
limited number of lifetimes.
30:37
She has if we're a comic book podcast now, we're just going to talk about.
30:40
She also she also retains all her memories from her all her previous lives,
30:44
even in utero, like comes to consciousness as a fetus.
30:48
That's a terrifying concept.
30:49
Yeah. It has several lifetimes of memories.
30:52
It's just sitting there. Yeah.
30:54
Plotting, making little changes every time to see if she can.
30:59
It's a little tiny baby.
31:01
A little whiteboard in the uterus. Yeah.
31:04
This this joke, this joke was for me only.
31:07
Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to be Nick and I
31:10
are going to be the only ones who listen to our podcasters like great call out.
31:14
I like this. This is a conversation that could go somewhere.
31:16
It's got legs.
31:18
But yeah, that's all I got to say about it.
31:20
I guess you got there.
31:22
It's not even about that. It's about comic books.
31:25
So my final thought is,
31:28
OK, so I did try to write down quotes, but then I did not.
31:32
Fine. So I am.
31:34
It's a very Nick thing.
31:35
I do remember laughing out loud, which I don't normally do.
31:38
Like normally I laugh inside really hard and I look like I'm grouchy
31:41
on the outside when I'm thinking something's funny.
31:43
But this movie did make me laugh out loud and I do not remember why.
31:48
Good. But I do remember the Wayne quote and that was pretty good.
31:51
That was probably classic.
31:52
Best like comedic scene.
31:54
Yeah. Where she just really wants it. Yeah.
31:58
He looks so uncomfortable in that, too.
32:01
You mean in your course.
32:06
Yeah. Boy, how about that commercial, though?
32:10
Just the the crazy Charlie commercial crushing Fortune Cookies.
32:16
It's so weird and like micro racist.
32:21
Yeah, just like the micro aggression.
32:23
Yeah. And the voice.
32:24
But still, it's like he doesn't dress up.
32:27
He just does like a weird, like I think there's a sort of Chinese voice
32:32
crushing fortune cookies.
32:34
I do like the connective tissue for these is that we have two furniture salespeople.
32:39
Oh, I don't even think of that.
32:41
Nathan, Arizona and crazy Charlie.
32:43
Was that by design or it's the way that we set the bracket
32:47
was based on aggregate ratings.
32:50
And then how it all flows is just what we decide.
32:53
So circumstantial, we usually find weird circumstantial connections.
32:57
Yeah, there's there's a lot of like overlapping actors or themes
33:01
or things that just kind of like, oh, interesting.
33:03
I forgot that that is a piece of this.
33:05
Right. OK, so furniture salesmen.
33:07
Yes. So is that is that our segue?
33:10
No, because we're going to go to the Venn diagram for. Oh, yeah.
33:15
No, we're going to burn that good segue.
33:19
Now you got to do another one. Oh, so the audience can also be mean
33:26
with that conjunction.
33:27
There's no laugh. There's no laugh on here, which I'm like, oh, wait,
33:30
what are your options?
33:31
That's because I bought it for you and your jokes.
33:34
Hey.
33:37
I thought it was an audience thing.
33:39
There's applause back. It's rim shot and boo.
33:42
Dang. Wait, what's the rim shot?
33:45
Oh, that is the rim shot. OK, gotcha.
33:47
Oh, yes. So on the Venn diagram of good movie, good cage, bad movie,
33:52
bad cage, good, bad, bad, good.
33:54
Oh, this film and Nicholas Cage's performance in it.
33:59
Oh, man. And do I can I do gradations or is it just.
34:03
Oh, yeah, we always it's a little bit.
34:05
So Venn diagram, I would say for good movie, bad movie, I'd have it like
34:09
on the bad side of the axis, but not like too far down.
34:12
Like, it's not a terrible movie.
34:13
And also, I know I'm just someone's crying right now that I'm saying this.
34:17
But like I have it like a little bit down on bad movie.
34:21
And then Nicholas Cage, I'd say same,
34:24
like a little bit on like the bad part of the axis.
34:28
I'm willing to say that it's a good movie because
34:32
it's just sort of a timeless 80s sort of romp.
34:36
It's not poorly written.
34:38
It's kind of dicey in a lot of the acting, but it's entertaining.
34:43
It moves well.
34:44
I didn't have any trouble with the runtime on it.
34:46
I didn't feel like it came out at 220.
34:48
I it's a good hour and a half for me.
34:51
And well, you know, it's got some good Nicholas Cage.
34:54
He does. He does the voice that I love.
34:58
Second favorite Nicholas Cage voice.
35:00
Oh, yeah, you know, I enjoy it every time.
35:03
It's a good good for me.
35:05
I think it's a weird good for me.
35:06
Yeah, I think I turned the corner on this movie this time.
35:09
I think that I like the movie way more than the first time I watched it.
35:13
The first time I was just like, what the fuck is this thing? Yeah.
35:16
And I enjoyed it this time.
35:17
I'm going to put it into the kind of good and a good cage.
35:22
Yeah, same. I liked it more on rewatching.
35:25
And I do think the there are parts where it does kind of drag a little bit,
35:29
but I feel like the editing on this is pretty tight.
35:32
There isn't a lot of wasted time in it, especially for a movie of this time.
35:36
Where things kind of scenes tend to sit a little too long.
35:39
I think this one is cut pretty well.
35:42
I would assume so, since they cut out entire storylines.
35:45
So and I. Sorry, Dolores.
35:50
And I really do enjoy Nicolas Cage and this he's doing what he does best,
35:54
which is committing to a bit.
35:56
I put it fine movie.
35:59
Good cage.
36:00
And a vamp for a second.
36:03
Wackety, schmackety do.
36:09
So I.
36:10
I picked it up and I was like, oh, man, this looks like a classic wine cooler.
36:14
I bet Sean's bitch ass will enjoy this.
36:18
No, no, I I tried to find something that I thought you'd like.
36:23
Look at you with your thoughts and feelings.
36:25
Yeah, you know, I go out of my way to get you a sparkling rose.
36:28
I better get something good for Sean. I know, right?
36:32
Oh, it's good. I'm excited.
36:36
I've got a Rico's gift out in my car, too,
36:40
because I keep like not having it with me when I see him.
36:43
So now it's like, oh, I got to. What about Hayden's birthday gift?
36:45
Oh, that's safe at home.
36:47
What's Hayden's birthday gift?
36:48
I'm not going to put this in the podcast.
36:50
So a couple of years, like years ago, I bought him a bottle of bod black.
36:56
Oh, I do remember this.
36:58
Eventually, I'm going to expand it.
37:00
I want to get two more bottles and then I'm going to make a shadow box
37:04
with a little inset sections for the three bottles of bod body spray
37:09
and like do a felt lining around the foam that holds it and everything.
37:13
So he's got like a real classy display for bod body spray.
37:18
I think I have I teach some private students
37:21
and in middle school and high school, and I'm pretty sure that
37:25
at least one of the high school boys uses I don't know if it's bod body spray,
37:29
but it's some like probably like acts or something.
37:32
It might be acts, but it's like a thing. Yeah. Yeah.
37:34
Like, she's a boy. It is.
37:37
You don't have to shower. You don't shower.
37:39
I mean, you have to be like, let's be real.
37:42
You still have to shower.
37:44
But all the middle schools out there listening right now,
37:47
you still have to shower. Trust me. Take a shower, please. Yeah.
37:51
But no, I was just surprised that bod body spray still existed
37:55
because I remembered it from the early 2000s or whatever.
37:58
And it just being like that squirt spray bottle thing.
38:03
It's still exactly the same.
38:05
Has not changed.
38:06
Did you use it in middle school?
38:07
No, I did not. I knew one person who had used it.
38:12
I had some college friends who were the Axe body spray types, but no, no, no.
38:15
Bod users. No, I admit that the Bruce Campbell
38:20
Oh, God, old spice commercials worked on me.
38:23
So I bought the Ahoy body spray. Nice.
38:27
Do you still use the old spice?
38:29
OK, just checking.
38:32
Yeah, what's what's your scent right now?
38:35
Oh, natural. Nice.
38:37
It's the best one.
38:38
Rachel approves some doctor.
38:40
Dr. Bronner's a big jug of that.
38:43
My mother had to like deodorant crystal.
38:48
I don't know. Have you seen those?
38:49
I used to use that and it does not work.
38:52
I was going to say that sounds fucking fake as shit.
38:54
Does not work.
38:55
I think the salts are supposed to rock under your butt. Right.
38:58
It's like, OK, in theory, you rub the salts,
39:01
like get into your pores and block the.
39:03
Right. That's the theory.
39:05
But it doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't really fly like that.
39:08
I just have a weird like armpit rock. Yeah, exactly.
39:13
What's this rock?
39:14
Oh, that's the one I rub under my armpits.
39:17
Pre-workout. Yeah.
39:18
This is my post-workout rock.
39:21
Fucking crystal shit.
39:23
Quite Benjamin Franklin Gates update.
39:25
He's not stealing declarations, but he is stealing my slippers.
39:27
Yeah, I will leave the room.
39:28
I start somewhere.
39:29
I will leave the room for a second and both my slippers will be in his bed.
39:32
How are his butt worms? Better. Good.
39:35
Yeah, puppies get worms. Yeah.
39:37
I don't know. I I was.
39:39
That just reminded me of a story from childhood that my mom was like,
39:43
Oh, yeah, you know, kids get worms, too.
39:45
And like you have to like go into a dark room and shine a flashlight
39:48
and then you can see them.
39:49
It's like, pardon.
39:52
That's what you could do in that dark corner. Yeah.
39:55
Fine work. Hayden's dark corner.
39:58
It's where we deworm our friends
40:01
or at least just observe the worms. Yeah.
40:02
And I'm doing it. Oh, confirmed. You got it.
40:06
I kind of want to set up like a
40:09
a gynecologist chair in that back area with the stirrups and everything.
40:12
And then I can come in with
40:14
like blacksmith tongs and like just reach in and like grab the worm.
40:19
And one at a time. Yeah.
40:20
One at a time. Yeah, that's the way to do it.
40:22
Well, I don't trust myself to try to grab two. No, no.
40:27
Get out of this one, Sean.
40:28
Now, yeah, what's this? What's this segue into raising Arizona?
40:33
Raising Arizona.
40:35
A movie. Funny that you mentioned that.
40:38
It's the next movie we're talking about.
40:41
Where Nicolas Cage plays H.I.
40:43
McDonough, who's falls in love with Lady Cop.
40:47
Yeah, Edwina. Edwina. What a name.
40:49
Oh, yeah. They try and have kids can't have kids.
40:52
So she quits the force and they kidnap a kid.
40:55
And this movie has just the best cast.
40:59
It really does.
41:01
No one is thinking about Edwina cry.
41:03
We like my finance broke up with me.
41:07
I find that was a big.
41:10
Yeah, I love this movie.
41:12
It's super stupid and funny.
41:14
It Nicholas Cage has never been more animated than this one.
41:18
I think it's the perfect role for him comedically.
41:23
It kills me.
41:25
I think just his fucking face is that he makes it so good.
41:29
And his wild rooster hair.
41:31
I think the thing that was the big takeaway for us,
41:34
the for me, the first time we watched this movie was that talking to you guys
41:38
afterwards, you were like, it's a cartoon.
41:40
It's a cartoon movie with live action.
41:42
It was like, oh, fuck.
41:44
OK, now I get it.
41:46
And watching it the second time, I was like, yeah.
41:48
No, I mean, because, yeah, we talked about that the first time.
41:50
It's like it took me about halfway through the movie to realize
41:52
what I was watching.
41:55
This is this is Looney Tunes.
41:56
This is a cartoon like that.
41:59
I love Gail when they leave the baby on the roof and then they realize it.
42:04
And so you have to like they're just screaming and they turn around.
42:07
They're just screaming all the way back.
42:09
And I've been punching. It's just so like how many times did the baby get left?
42:14
Like that should have been a drinking game of like every time the baby's left behind.
42:18
Oh, not that much drinking then, I guess.
42:20
Depends on what you're drinking.
42:21
Yeah, one.
42:25
Got to knock the entire bottle back.
42:28
As soon as drinking most of a bottle of 151 in a night, I would not recommend it.
42:32
OK, I think the only times I've drank it, I ended up pulling the shower,
42:36
or the towel rack off of my girlfriend's bathroom wall.
42:39
But it's because you wanted to do something with it.
42:41
Oh, no, I just lost my balance while I was peeing.
42:44
And I grabbed the towel rack and pulled that off.
42:46
And then I peed on everything.
42:48
This is a cautionary tale.
42:50
Luckily, there were towels at hand for any children listening.
42:53
Don't drink one. Don't drink one.
42:55
But when the towels ones that you had already peed on are not at that point,
42:58
they were behind me until thank until.
43:02
I do love like he is so there's no at least like the way that I was.
43:08
There's no point in the movie where his character is trying to be funny.
43:11
He's like so deeply sincere and earnest
43:14
and like just becomes like so ridiculous through that wonderful.
43:18
Kind of like just it's just like that straight man.
43:20
He's kind of the straight man in this.
43:22
Like Edwina is the crazy one.
43:24
She's also like that.
43:25
I mean, she's never like trying to crack a joke or even slightly
43:28
anything other than just deeply earnest.
43:31
Well, it's a Cohen brothers.
43:32
So it's that largely like slice of life comedy of errors type situation.
43:37
Yeah. We're like no one realizes there in a comedy in this comedy. Right.
43:41
Less murder in this one than like Fargo.
43:44
Yes. That's a very murdery movie.
43:46
I had to explain some murders.
43:48
I do a lot.
43:50
I do explain to someone at Christmas dinner that like the movie Fargo
43:53
and the show Fargo aren't based on like real stories.
43:57
They thought we.
43:58
This is Christmas dinner.
43:59
Come on. Yeah.
44:00
It's like I can't really set it, but someone's like, you know, well,
44:03
you know, these are all real murders.
44:04
I'm like, no, they're not.
44:06
But it says they are.
44:07
I'm like, yeah, but they're not like the Cohen brothers have like said several
44:11
times, like we don't know why people think this is a real story.
44:14
Like maybe because you start your movie with based on real events.
44:19
Which really all you need is to protect the like the living.
44:22
All you really need for that is like there were two people once.
44:25
Yeah. And then there was one person.
44:28
North Dakota has seen a murder.
44:31
So Alex, you had not seen raising Arizona.
44:34
No, I hadn't.
44:35
And I know I've heard about it and I think I've had the chance to see it
44:38
and just, you know, possibly on planes or, you know, like it's.
44:41
But I just have never thought about it.
44:43
And I actually think I get it confused with them.
44:46
Isn't there another like people kidnap a kid
44:49
that has like Goldie Hawn in it?
44:52
Yeah, baby. Oh, no, Goldie.
44:54
Is this sound familiar at all? OK.
44:56
So Goldie Hawn like gets amnesia.
44:57
I think she's like a wealthy person that falls off a boat
44:59
and she gets found by a guy who needs like a mom for a bunch of kids that he has.
45:04
And so he like kidnaps her and she thinks that this is her.
45:08
It's a totally different story. I'm not realizing, but that is why.
45:11
You guys have not heard of this movie.
45:13
I think it's called like Overboard or.
45:15
Oh, never mind. Yeah.
45:17
You know what I'm talking about, right?
45:18
I know it because Joe, my girlfriend, watches it all the time. OK.
45:21
So maybe not all the time, but she's definitely seen it.
45:24
This is a thing, right? I'm assuming.
45:26
So somehow I sort of like overlap those movies and thought
45:29
because I have seen Overboard and I somehow thought, I don't know why,
45:33
because clearly this is a completely different movie.
45:34
I had not seen it to answer your question.
45:36
Have you ever seen Splash? Yes. OK.
45:38
Another is that another Amnesia movie?
45:40
No, but it's got a mermaid and there's water involved.
45:43
Yeah, I have seen that.
45:44
OK, what other movies can we remember that exists?
45:46
What other movies are there?
45:49
But what is a movie?
45:53
I did like love this movie so much, and I think part of it is.
45:57
Well, I was surprised because I didn't know anything about it
45:59
and like all the different people that showed up like John Goodman
46:02
and like, you know, just like different characters that I was like,
46:04
what are you doing in this movie?
46:05
And then he's like climbing out of the mud like a weird primordial creature.
46:09
And he's also like the most evil character in the movie,
46:12
I feel like is kind of John Goodman or not evil, but he's like the most sinister.
46:16
Yeah, he does sinister really well.
46:18
He really does. And that was awesome.
46:20
But fight in the trailer.
46:23
The two big guys in the small space fight. Yeah.
46:26
But I just like loved that everybody.
46:29
Everyone had all these like not like totally sinister intentions,
46:33
but some people did.
46:34
But then in the end, everyone was just like totally like Gaga over the baby,
46:37
which I thought was so funny, including especially the two dudes.
46:40
I forgot the other guy that's
46:41
moving for safe. Yeah.
46:43
Like that they're just like emotionally wrecked by the baby in the end.
46:46
And like originally they were going to turn it in for the ransom, right?
46:49
They're like, we're keeping him forever or whatever.
46:51
Like they just like lost it within 15 minutes.
46:53
Yeah, probably Nathan Jr.
46:55
is a great little baby, the best baby.
46:58
I mean, he was the most cheerful baby I've ever seen.
47:00
So rewatching it this time,
47:04
their crime of passion quickly turned into like a premeditated thing
47:07
because there's the announcement of the Arizona like quints.
47:13
But by the time they get around to kidnapping them, they're toddlers.
47:15
They're crawling. Oh, good point.
47:17
That's a really important factor, right?
47:20
Yeah, they are mobile.
47:22
Nine months, 10 months, something like that.
47:25
It's like you took your time.
47:26
Yeah, they took their time, which I don't think you're supposed to think about.
47:29
But the other thought that goes there, if it's an immediate thing, is
47:33
Mrs. Arizona is like bottom half is just gone.
47:38
Oh, from giving birth to five babies.
47:40
Five babies the size of like
47:43
those are big toddlers. Yeah, that's true. Good point.
47:47
I mean, she walked up those stairs.
47:49
Robotic spider legs is all she has left.
47:52
That's probably like Darth Maul.
47:53
Like Darth Maul. Yeah.
47:55
Starting nerdy step so yeah. Yeah.
47:57
God, that's that might actually be true.
48:00
I mean, we talked about two Marvel movies.
48:04
Well, Disney movies.
48:06
Ghost Rider and Ghost Rider, too.
48:10
Spirit of Vengeance.
48:11
Yeah, those are Marvel.
48:12
Oh, I thought you were talking about on this episode.
48:15
No, we could talk about those if you'd like.
48:17
Yeah, you go back to what are what are all the movies that there are.
48:21
I mean, Ghost Rider does reference this movie in it.
48:24
Does it when he first ghost writers out, he's going through the desert.
48:27
Yeah, when Leonard Smalls is driving through and he shoots the
48:30
the lizard and Ghost Rider like burns a guana.
48:34
That's right.
48:35
Man, let's talk about Leonard Smalls for a second.
48:37
Yes. What a great character.
48:39
I love just his inclusion in this because he has almost no point.
48:43
It's like he's here as like a bounty hunter to find the babies.
48:49
He got brought into the purpose.
48:51
He got brought in to find the escaped convicts right first.
48:54
Yeah. Yeah. Is that right?
48:56
And then how did he get on the babies?
48:58
I don't know. Easy money. Baby money.
49:00
No, I think he was looking for the baby before he was
49:04
before he approached Leonard or Nathan, Arizona.
49:08
Yeah. Well, Nathan, Arizona hadn't put out the bounty yet.
49:12
But like, hold on.
49:13
Let's stop. Watch the movie and get this.
49:15
Yeah, all right.
49:16
Yeah, it doesn't have a lot to say, but sure.
49:20
Causes a lot of trouble.
49:21
Yeah. And going out with a grenade
49:25
on his best is just terrific.
49:27
I like how he's trying to like gently put both shotguns down before he goes.
49:30
So the fingers are stuck in the trigger guards
49:32
and he doesn't have like one hand to get the other one out.
49:35
So he's just like, hello.
49:38
Trying to little flippy hands to get him out.
49:41
And I liked is it H.I. Yeah.
49:45
He's like, quiet apology as he's watching an avid.
49:48
I'm sorry. So cute.
49:51
He's like a little sensitive soul.
49:52
He really is.
49:54
I think my favorite I know this is not the most important part of the movie,
49:58
but the thing that made me laugh the hardest was the old man in the bank.
50:01
He's like, which is it?
50:03
Like, are we laying down or are we holding still?
50:05
I think. And then when there he's like, where's the tellers?
50:08
And they're like, we're here.
50:09
Like, it's just the whole thing like was so badly planned.
50:11
And he's like, OK, we're about to start this robbery.
50:14
You know, like they just every step of that robbery was so fucking funny.
50:17
Like, do you want us to freeze or do you want us to lay down?
50:20
Because we lay down because if we freeze, we can lay down.
50:24
But if we lay down, we're in motion.
50:26
We're in motion. So good.
50:28
I know that whole scene was like, was my favorite, I think.
50:31
Oh, the chase scene when he like robs the.
50:35
Oh, with the guy with the Magnum gun or whatever.
50:38
Yeah. When he robs the store for the the diapers.
50:40
Yeah. Diapers and everything in the cash register.
50:44
And then that prolonged chase sequence where the cops just show up shooting.
50:47
Yeah, that was amazing. And continue in the grocery store.
50:50
Just like and then the the dogs are what get me in the chase.
50:54
And it's like you've got this whole dog chase going on as well.
50:57
And now you've just got bystanders getting chased by dogs.
51:01
Yeah. Those dogs are having a great time.
51:04
And what a great time.
51:05
I just like how he's addicted to like robbing convenience stores.
51:10
Start driving by convenience stores that aren't even on the way home.
51:14
You all got to wait. Well, right.
51:17
I mean, a great white jag.
51:18
Great. Everyone's got their great white jag.
51:21
I absolutely love this movie. It's so much fun.
51:25
Yeah, I agree. It's a highly entertaining and engaging.
51:30
Easy to watch.
51:31
So for you guys on a rewatch, was there any, you know, discovery?
51:36
Was there anything that came out of this that you missed or just found funnier or?
51:42
You know, it's really hard to answer that question because it's been a year.
51:45
I know, right?
51:47
But I did enjoy it.
51:48
I didn't I didn't feel less inclined to laugh.
51:53
I probably enjoyed it more going back to like being in the proper headspace
51:58
for what I was about to watch.
51:59
Well, yeah. Last year, when you watched it, you were like half of the movie.
52:04
You were frustrated by it.
52:05
And then you were like, oh, wait, I understand it. OK, I get it.
52:08
So that was a lot. Now you're just on board. Yeah.
52:11
Yeah, I love I just imagined like an actual review and quotes
52:15
like on the trailer that's like I was less inclined
52:19
till wait less inclined to not laugh.
52:21
You were not. I was not less inclined to laugh on the second viewing.
52:25
It's like that's the full quote.
52:27
That's a pretty good review.
52:28
Actually, put that in fucking light.
52:31
You can put anything I say on a marquee and it's just gold.
52:36
It's best if it's like an audio marquee.
52:38
So it's like his voice.
52:39
Yeah, there's just a speaker out on the corner of a building
52:42
and you have to hear me.
52:43
But then it's got like subtitles because this is Washington
52:46
and we have to have subtitles for the hearing impaired.
52:49
Yeah. Respect that. Yeah. Yeah.
52:52
I wish they could feel my voice the way everybody else has to hear it.
52:56
But we can really base it up. Yeah.
53:00
Base it up.
53:02
I think that's actually the opposite of the problem.
53:05
Like it just has to be some kind of piercing note
53:08
or maybe marbles.
53:10
Just leave marbles on a sidewalk.
53:12
Let the deaf people walk across it and they'll understand
53:16
the trials and tribulations that everybody else has to endure.
53:20
Well put of my audio.
53:21
Now we're going to put that as our tagline.
53:24
Yeah, that'll reel them in for sure.
53:27
Yeah. Hey, deaf people, come listen to this podcast.
53:30
Step on these marbles.
53:31
You get the vibe.
53:32
Hey, actually, we probably should be providing
53:36
a full transcription of our podcast.
53:39
We do. What deaf people can read what I say.
53:42
Yeah, I'm sorry, deaf people.
53:44
I've probably said a lot of terrible things.
53:47
Yeah, there's always a transfer.
53:49
Oh, where do I get that?
53:51
But and this is episode 41. You're just learning about.
53:53
I didn't know a lot of stuff that I do that they don't know.
53:56
We don't want to know how the sausage can I comment on the transcription?
53:59
No, it's I mean, it's an AI generated thing that I just click a button for it.
54:03
I don't try hard.
54:04
All right, deaf people.
54:05
So anything that's like horribly like abhorrent that we've said, the AI said it.
54:09
Yeah, but everything that's really horny definitely said.
54:12
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
54:14
We take credit for that. Yeah. Yeah.
54:16
So good cage, good movie, bad cage, bad movie, good, bad, bad, good.
54:21
I would say, OK, good cage.
54:24
Oh, yeah. Good cage. Good movie is my take.
54:28
Same. Definitely enjoyed this way more on my second time in a year and a half.
54:33
Podcast life. Yeah.
54:36
My real life podcast.
54:37
Well, you could remember that wife and baby.
54:41
Yeah, sorry.
54:43
I love this movie. It's a lot of fun.
54:45
It's a good movie. It's a good cage.
54:48
It's top notch. Yeah.
54:50
He's so charming and fun and this and I love everything about it.
54:55
Oh, yeah. The music.
54:56
I guess we didn't really talk too much about that, but yeah, music's great.
55:00
I didn't even notice the music.
55:01
I got to watch it again. Yeah.
55:03
Watch it again. The music, I think, really, really fills it out.
55:06
And it's all like just a random yodeling cowboy kind of sound.
55:11
It's good. But it fits. Yeah.
55:14
So, yeah, the big decision now.
55:18
This is going to be a tough one. Clearly, it's super tough.
55:21
And Alex, unfortunately, your vote doesn't matter,
55:23
but you do get to still say it on microphone.
55:25
Oh, oh, I get to vote.
55:27
But just it's sort of like a honorary vote. Yeah.
55:30
OK, it's really so the Internet knows your opinion.
55:33
OK, which is something I deeply invested in.
55:36
At you. Great.
55:38
OK, and I'll just like spell out my emails.
55:40
Feel good. Right to me.
55:41
And we'll start a little debate.
55:42
I would vote strongly for raising Arizona,
55:45
but I'm not going to try to financially influence anyone else here.
55:50
Now, that was my vote.
55:51
I'm going to need financial influence.
55:53
Who's going to change? I have a grease that palm.
55:57
OK, all right. You check later.
55:59
Excellent. We need that big Cohen money.
56:01
Yeah, I gladly accept blank checks anytime.
56:06
This is a raising Arizona for me, for sure.
56:08
It's I mean, kind of a no brainer this time.
56:11
Well, this is we're in comedy, right? Yeah.
56:16
This is tough guy, actually.
56:17
He's a criminal. He is a criminal.
56:20
No, I mean, we've talked before that his comedies aren't the most comedic.
56:26
Yeah, I don't know if the roles that he gets for comedies a lot
56:30
in his earlier career really like highlighted his ability.
56:36
Yeah. As well as this or say some of his
56:40
more recent works like Renfield being an action comedy or unbearable weight.
56:46
Wait, did you vote, Peter?
56:48
It doesn't matter.
56:49
You're only a little opinion.
56:50
We don't we don't count.
56:52
I'm only a tiebreaker.
56:53
Wait, that's all I was going to say.
56:55
Wait, so and has it been a controversial decision in other only rounds?
56:59
No, two times.
57:00
I've had to be a tiebreaker.
57:01
No, I came I came around on Nick's reasoning for Army of One.
57:06
No, no, I had to tiebreak another one.
57:08
And the one you had to tiebreak was Primal versus.
57:11
And then recently there was another one.
57:13
What's that? I've already forgotten.
57:14
It was in season two.
57:15
So I don't remember.
57:18
OK, here's a question based on all of the movies you viewed.
57:21
If I'm going to do another Nicolas Cage movie sometime in the next two weeks,
57:24
what would you recommend?
57:26
I have any does not become.
57:28
So what kind of vibe do you want?
57:29
I think I'd go I'd be interested in a more serious Nicolas Cage vibe.
57:33
But it doesn't have to be action, but maybe more like or could be.
57:37
OK, well, one person gets to say pig and then two other people
57:40
have to choose other movies.
57:41
OK, it's a fun big pig.
57:43
I will say there's a movie called Joe Joe that is very well done.
57:48
OK, and it's a very thoughtful performance and it's a it's a good movie.
57:52
OK, so pig Joe, is this all going to be one syllable movie titles?
57:57
We'll find out. Yeah.
57:59
Doesn't have to be the bringing out the dead.
58:02
Oh, good call. Bringing out the dead. OK.
58:04
That's that's the Scorsese and it's it's a very good.
58:07
Yeah. OK, great.
58:08
Don't watch it if you're like upset about anything.
58:11
Like I'm good.
58:12
Watch it. We're in a pretty neutral.
58:14
Yeah, is it? Yeah.
58:15
He's a is it a zombie thing?
58:17
No, he's a paramedic.
58:19
Oh, I think all three of those movies are kind of on 90s New York. OK.
58:23
They could be. You could you could have a reaction to either of those movies.
58:26
OK, if you want to see a film that he got this role
58:30
because of Peggy's, you got married Moonstruck.
58:32
Oh, I see Moonstruck.
58:34
Yeah, I forgot he was in that.
58:35
We share very outlandish like, you know, my hand.
58:41
My wife. Yeah, share wanted him for this movie after Peggy's
58:45
got married because she was like, we need somebody who can play crazy
58:48
and Nicholas Cage is fucking insane. Yeah.
58:50
They had screen tested a bunch of people and she was like, no, no, no.
58:53
Get that guy. She's going to walk.
58:55
They like higher than Cage. Yeah.
58:57
OK, I'll watch that again at some point, too.
58:58
I just I totally forgot he was in it.
59:01
There's a whole racket on our website. Yeah.
59:04
That fun is one of my favorite
59:07
top level domain names.
59:09
Why the fuck not?
59:10
Got fun. Yeah.
59:12
Great. Let's everybody know what we're all about.
59:14
Yeah. Yeah.
59:15
Dot funny. There's no question.
59:17
No question. Gooning and that fun.
59:19
No, we're not going.
59:20
We're not going to say that.
59:22
Stop. Fuck you.
59:26
Hey, man, I'm not the one who named our podcast network.
59:29
I blame Sean for that one.
59:30
It was it was a different time. Yeah.
59:33
Yeah. Different simpler.
59:34
Like I was season one, like way back. Yeah.
59:39
Alex does have to go soon.
59:41
So do you have anything you want to plug or share with our audience?
59:44
Oh, OK, I could. Yeah, it's great.
59:48
OK, well, let's see.
59:49
If you like experimental viola chamber pot music, then
59:56
you could check out my band.
59:57
It's called Led to see L.E.D. T.O.S.E.A.
1:00:00
All those words could be spelled multiple ways.
1:00:01
So it's great for radio.
1:00:03
Like Sean. It's like Sean.
1:00:06
But yeah, I play around town sometimes.
1:00:07
And I'd love to see you at a show or you can check out my band cam.
1:00:11
What is chamber pot music?
1:00:13
Because I know you say chamber pot.
1:00:14
That's what you said. That's what I heard. Oh, fuck. OK.
1:00:17
I have a I'm kind of like I used to have a tongue ring.
1:00:20
And I think that has forever
1:00:22
caused me to have some weird speech impediment. OK.
1:00:25
But what I meant to say was chamber pop music.
1:00:28
But I'm now curious.
1:00:29
I might try to write my next song in the style of chamber pot music,
1:00:33
because that actually sounds awesome.
1:00:34
Old timey poo that you throw out the window.
1:00:36
It's like there's a lot of like kind of subtle splashing or just like,
1:00:39
I don't know. Well, I'll see what happens with it. But yeah, I like subtle splashing.
1:00:45
It's going to be my next album. Yeah.
1:00:47
The subtle splashing.
1:00:49
Well, fuck. Thank you all for listening.
1:00:50
Thanks for being here, Alex. Thank you very much.
1:00:52
Thank you for having me. This was so fun. Yeah.
1:00:54
It's a good entry into the world of the podcast.
1:00:56
So thank you. Excellent.
1:00:58
Now you can go on to be in a good podcast.
1:01:00
No, I don't think that's a good choice for me.
1:01:02
Now stick with us. This is my level right here.
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Yeah. Stick in the chamber pot better.
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Awesome. Yeah.
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Hey, get that ruler out, too.
1:01:31
Oh, yeah.
1:01:32
Measure the Squatch.
1:01:34
Wow. That was not as much growth as I expected.
1:01:37
Well, it's meant to grow over 72 hours.
1:01:41
Hey, the water is cold.
1:01:44
Yeah, be kind, Alex.
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I'm sorry. I'm just calling it like I see it.
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It's actually smaller than when it was in.
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I don't think so.
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Get the ruler.
1:01:54
I need the facts.
1:01:57
It depends on if you look from the side.
1:01:58
It looks bigger from the top. It definitely looks smaller.
1:02:00
Yeah, straight on. It just looks like all.
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Bye bye.
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Wait, yes. Oh, it was precise.
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You measure.
1:02:15
You knew it was going to be slimy.
1:02:17
I didn't.
1:02:18
Have you never grown one of these before?
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Oh, it is a little tiny bit bigger.
1:02:23
Oh, God, it's got a weird gel around it.
1:02:25
Wow. This is a fun experiment.
1:02:28
Yeah, kind of.
1:02:30
Does it say how long are you supposed to leave it in there?
1:02:32
Three days. Oh, OK.
1:02:33
Yeah. So this is just the beginning of it.
1:02:35
So it's like, do you?
1:02:38
All right.
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Who? Bye bye.
1:02:42
Bye bye.
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Bye bye.
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Or if you want to be extra wrong, S.H.O.N.
1:03:01
I do like to be extra wrong sometimes.
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It really helps when you have people who are touchy about the spelling of their name.
1:03:07
Yeah.
1:03:08
I like when someone spells it really weird and really off.
1:03:10
Yeah. Like with a P.H.
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Chiffon.
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Chavon. What's up, Chiffon?
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That's all I'm going to call you now.
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Chiffon or cow. Yeah, Chiffon.
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Nipples on the batsuit dot com.
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Just you.
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You re-upped. I re-upped.
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I'm never getting rid of that.
1:03:29
No, you should keep that for you.
1:03:30
You're going to use that for anything specific or.
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I've owned it for over 20 years now.
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It's just it's just there.
1:03:36
This sometime the iron is going to be hot.
1:03:37
Yeah. Time to strike. Yeah.
1:03:39
I think that moment. Batman.
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Passed when they had nipples on the bat suit.
1:03:44
Yeah, they're never going to do that again.
1:03:46
Like that was a protest site at first.
1:03:48
Yeah. I see. Bring them back.
1:03:50
Right. Put more nips on those suits.
1:03:53
I require anatomically correct bat suits.
1:03:56
Why don't you change get a site that's no nipples on the bat suit?
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A new protest site.
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There aren't enough nipples in the Batman movies.
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That's true. Real or otherwise.
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They're pretty pretty nipple free. Yeah.
1:04:07
Disappointing.
1:04:09
Something I hadn't thought about before, but you're absolutely right.
1:04:11
Yeah. The Bane could have used like nine nipples.
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Like every time he venoms up more nipples, just pop out all over him.
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Like not muscles, but he nips out a dog.
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He's more nipple than man.
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You were raised in the nipples.
1:04:29
I don't remember that quote.
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I'm not going to try to remember that movie.
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I was born from nipples. There you go.