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What It’s Really Like Working as a Professional Dom: Behind the Scenes with Mistress Verna Part 1 · The Kink Consultant

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It's the King Consultant podcast where we're turning up the heat
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on all things kink and dating, relationships and pop culture.
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So close the door, plug in your headphones, and let's get down
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to it. Hello everybody, and welcome to
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this week's episode of The King Consultant.
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I am here with, I'm going to call you Mistress Verna for old
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times sake, a very good old friend.
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We were former colleagues at the dungeon and she was probably my
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closest friend there and we became friends later, roommates
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in real life, in real life, being outside of the dungeon,
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and we are friends to this day. Welcome, Verna.
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Thank you. Thank you for having.
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Me, We're here to talk about the dungeon days because there's no
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one I would rather rehash this with than you.
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It's not just for the episode. We still have these
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conversations. What is it 12 years on now since
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we both worked there? I stayed longer.
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It was such a formulative time. Not only formulative in it was
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like my 20s. I was there for like 8 years.
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You were there for eight years. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I was ancient in dungeons. But.
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Like, OK, so there was a weird thing about the dungeon where
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you were either there for a month, six months, five years,
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or life options, right? Right.
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I had a weird stint where I was there for two years, this like
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18 months, and then I switched dungeons.
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So I was like doing the job for two years.
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So being there for eight years, I realized you were there that
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long. Yeah, I mean, I had taken a
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bunch of breaks because one of the things that kept me sane,
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even though apparently I was a disgruntled employee, was that I
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would take breaks. And because I had been there,
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you know, for so long, and I had some modicum of consistency in
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my life where I would e-mail the owner and give him an update on
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what was going on on and like, hey, I can't come here for the
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next, like, 3 weeks. Is that OK?
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I'll be back this day. And he was always like, yeah,
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sure, whatever, you know. If you showed him respect, he
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was so fucking happy that he would like work with you because
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he felt like some type of man. If you were like, I'll treat you
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like my actual boss. Let's play this game.
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This was my problem throughout the whole time I was there.
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I treated it like an actual job. Everybody else was in some kind
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of other land about it, you know?
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A lot of messy people there. At one point we had a homeless
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woman there and she'd show up to sleep.
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She wouldn't work. I.
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Don't remember that, but that's, that's right.
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I mean, there was a whole array of different types of people.
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I, I remember like a literal lady of the evening, came and
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worked for a few weeks before she realized she wasn't going to
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make as much money. I might not have been there.
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You might not have been there, but she in a very thick Long
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Island accent. I remember because she would say
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she wanted some lip gloss. She was a little older too.
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So it's, you know, I. Misspelled for the older ladies.
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They didn't make much. It's tough to build a clientele
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in a place like that. And you know, one time the owner
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fired someone because she was annoying the other girls there.
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And the whole time I'd been there, she'd only taken one
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session. It's a tough life.
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Like she was showing up for the social life is my point.
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Plenty of people were. There was always such
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interesting social dynamics going on.
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It got old after a while because you would start to see the same
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things play out. It's funny because it's, it was
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so long that I was there and we could talk about the the dairy
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meme if you want, but it's like, I think it's important for
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people to understand how quickly people turned over.
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People would come in and then just leave.
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For context, she's sharing this because I'm about to share a
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story where she was a complete cunt to me.
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Go on, Verna. So the thing was is that you
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wouldn't ever want to not even be nice, but like, it was
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exhausting to try and to usher people in and to show them the
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ropes. And I want to set the tone.
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You're living in New York City, notoriously one of the most
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difficult cities in the world to live in.
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You are showing up to a job where you might not make money
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that day. Other people in the room are
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your direct competition, right? So the more you teach them, the
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better you make them, the more competition you have.
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The other alternative to that though, is that there are a ton
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of people who come in and don't understand what this place was,
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and they assumed or let people take advantage of them in ways
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that made it bad for the rest of the people.
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It's so true. And that was what I would try to
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always instill in new girls right off the bat.
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And that was what someone told me, even someone who was not
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very nice to me in the beginning was that like, you have to
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decide what you're OK with initially.
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And you have to decide things that you don't even know yet.
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Because there's going to be people that you walk into the
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session to say hi to, like, ask them what they want, and they're
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going to tell you something you've never thought about in
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your life. You had no idea, idea that is
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even a thing that existed. Yeah.
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And you have to suddenly decide on the spot in front of this guy
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who can pay you, whether or not you want to do it or not.
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And you have to have the confidence and the forethought
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to say that sounds like it's not For me.
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That was what I wanted everybody who came in there first to know
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before they came in because a lot of people came in with this
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thought, oh, I'm going to be beating people and it's going to
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be fun and this is going to be so cool.
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And it's like, And that's not really what it is a lot of the
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time. It's a lot of psychological
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stuff. It's a lot of figuring out what
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someone else wants when they can't tell you or they don't
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tell you. And sometimes it's mental mind
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fuckery, which is even worse. It's like they're trying to play
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you to play them or topping from the bottom.
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Like all this stuff is hard to explain to someone who's new,
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doesn't know what they're getting into.
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It's better to say decide what your limits are right now and
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figure those out to the point where you can say no to somebody
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because they're going to be sending you into a room if walks
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in the door right now it's. So true, but that wasn't the
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introduction you gave me exactly.
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OK so y'all to remind me of things I forget a lot of stuff.
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So I was in the thick of it and I started on a Tuesday and it
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was so busy that night that the manager didn't have time to
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teach me anything. I was busy making all my
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friends. No one was like there to teach
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me anything. I showed up on Tuesday, didn't
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really learn much. On Saturday I show up and it's a
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different manager and she asks, well, what do you know?
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And I said, I haven't even gotten a tour of the place.
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And she said, Verna, will you show her around?
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It wasn't just me. There was one other girl.
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And you looked at us and you looked back at her.
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And he said, I'm only doing this because it's my first day back
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from vacation and I don't still hate this place.
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And I was coming from corporate America.
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My intro to my job was two weeks long, and we were babies.
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You were coming in like a stereotypical dominatrix.
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So you said, come on. And you begin to show us the
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rooms 1 by 1. And I don't know, I'm my
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overeager self or something. I think I was trying to.
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I'm like, no, I'm going to be here.
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I do want to learn. You're like, I don't care how
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long you'll be here. Just don't ask me about these
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questions. Don't ask me about this again.
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And your whole point was like, I'm teaching you once, don't
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waste my time. So I just this.
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Day you're like. People in corporate America
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don't understand because you don't get to say the things that
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we can just say. But sometimes go to strip clubs
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and the strippers would be jealous of us because we could
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hit our clients and they're like, we don't get to treat our
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clients like you do. It's a sweet gig.
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Benefit of there is that your filter can come off in a way
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that it can't in most normal society.
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So I guess the tolerance goes down.
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But, you know, I don't know if it had happened at that time
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already. But there was a moment when I
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had shown a bunch of girls. And for a while I was really
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gung ho about like, yeah, let's teach people and let's, let's
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make sure they're all on the same page and let's, you know,
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really help these people along. And after you do that so many
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times, then the person leaves the next day or they ask
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somebody else the same question or you the same question at
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least 10 times. You're like, what am I doing
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this for? Why do I even help you when you
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don't want to help yourself? I'll give you 1, you get 1.
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I remember this specifically. I was in a very good mood.
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I showed everybody every single room, every single drawer and
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implements. And I was teaching them how to
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tie, had a Daisy chain to clean it up, how to do the laundry.
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By the way, that's the tour I got.
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You were a little disgruntled, but you still gave.
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It might have been this one, but like, I remember that a week
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later, one of the girls girls wrote an article about the place
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and specifically used my tour as like fodder for the article,
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talking about stuff that I had talked about, which there were
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some legality things that you have to navigate in the real
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world versus the Dungeon World. She blew all those out of the
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water, just without any kind of forethought of how it damages
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the girls and managers who work there.
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So I remember after that it was like, well, fuck you then.
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You don't want to put these people that have been with you
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for years in jeopardy for someone who just walked in.
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You don't know what they're going to do.
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You don't know how they're going to deal with this and you don't
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know whether or not. Where that information is going
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Where? That's going totally.
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So yeah, it can be like a weirdly secretive and harsh
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place. Yeah, and like, I'm just going
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to give one example, but I think it's totally fine now.
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I'm going to give two. OK.
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People are paying recessions sometimes.
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They could have alcohol. The girls weren't allowed to
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drink, but the clients could. The owner was, so I don't even
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know, anal about everything that he would put barcodes on the
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cups that you handed out. Everything that went in and out
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was scanned in and out. So they could track who had an
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implement last to know if it was kept or not.
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But they would even do that with the alcohol cups.
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It was scanned and so they knew how many units of alcohol went
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out, how much came back. They were really strict about
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it, so that was one random thing that I always think about.
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I'm like, I don't think they do that in every dungeon, not with
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alcohol. And the alcohol thing was one of
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the things that I was upset that girl had talked about because it
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was a huge deal because we don't have an alcohol license.
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But we weren't selling it. You weren't selling it, but you
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also weren't carting people. There's a lot of things that go
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into play with giving alcohol away.
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We don't do that. Because I guess you can be 18,
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maybe be 18 to go to one of those dungeon, but you can't, I
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mean totally hired people as young as 18.
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That's the other side of dealing with the girls who came in, is
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that like, some of them were babies.
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Babies. Yeah, I was pretty young.
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I was like 21 I think when I started working there too.
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So it's like, yeah, I. I was 24 and I felt like such an
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adult. I celebrated my 25th birthday at
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the dungeon. They ordered in a cake for me,
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you know? Well, yes, because there's a
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camaraderie thing with all the girls, sure.
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You make it sound like it's all bad, like it was mean, but it's
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like once you were there for enough time to prove that you
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weren't a complete flake or going to cause any kind of
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problem. As long as you treated the job
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seriously. And I did treat the job
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seriously. I did get in an argument with
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someone, which is probably a story for another time.
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But even then, I had been there long enough.
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It was one of the most senior girls I got in an argument with.
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No one took her side. And that was rare.
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Like usually if you fought with one of the like, senior people,
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you were dead to everyone. It was like, it was one of those
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situations where people got a little like apolitical on it.
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They were like, it's a complex issue.
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So it was just between me and her and she hazed me hard in the
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mouth and after that. I'd always compared it to
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everybody would call it like a pack of wolves for men, you
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know, like they'd say like alpha, whatever, blah, blah,
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blah. But I always thought like groups
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of women were like crows or like chickens.
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You had to infiltrate the main group.
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It didn't matter how. You didn't have to be the top
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one. You just had to slowly enter
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into the group so that, you know, the whole group wouldn't
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Peck your eyes out. And once you did that, you were.
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That's the perfect description. I don't think people understand.
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And it's sort of like, but why would you put up with that?
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It's because this is your livelihood.
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That's how you're making money. And if you can do this, well,
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girls like you, you get brought on on Tippin.
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By being cool enough to be in the main group or into the hits
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as a terrible you say it, but like it's true.
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Like they would trust you enough to recommend you.
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Sometimes you would have a client that would see you or
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that you'd seen before and they'd be like, well, who do you
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think I should see? Didn't happen often, but like,
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you know, you could sometimes turn the tide and the manager
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could too. And the manager often did with
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who they liked. Oh, which became a problem.
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So we would all be friends, right?
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But the one mistake you could make, and the one thing that
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would get every girl against you and you didn't last long if you
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did this, is if you got in with a manager and gave her a
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kickback for making sure you got the session.
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I didn't know this happened. I.
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Worked late shift weeknights with a specific manager who
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tried to do this with me. Luckily for myself I am so
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greedy. I was like, I am not giving you
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anything, I will go on my own look and charisma.
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I can see that. But yeah.
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And I remember those rumors coming out.
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Now that you say it, I never had a problem with that manager.
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But you know what it's like sometimes when you come before
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them too, they don't play those games with you.
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Yeah, and I don't remember, but girls didn't last long after
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they played this game. It sounds like a horrible
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system, but it worked because it worked.
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It was the natural order that developed because that's how we
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all. Yeah, Survive.
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The actual game of the place was the rules that you ended up
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following even though no one actually made them.
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Well. There was a rule book, I talked
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about this in like 1 of my earliest episodes.
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Oh it was like please be showered and clean, have your
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nails done. And it's like men loved when you
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were none of those things. Oh, don't lick your hairy arm,
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you know. My one client who like teased
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for months that he wanted to buy my dress, my smelly dress and I
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wore that thing. I would like put it on to
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workout and I would do push ups and like sit ups in this dress.
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It smelled horrible. It was in my locker for months
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and I finally was like joke, you gotta buy this thing, you know?
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And I gave him a price. I've been working on this for
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months and I actually like this dress too.
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I gave him a price and he was like, Nah, that was so mad.
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I washed that thing that day. I told him I'm never doing
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anything for you again. What I would have done is I
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would have tied him up and put it over his fucking face.
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Would have loved it too much. No way.
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I know you can't reward them with the thing they want, but I
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often find that the thing they fantasize and say they want the
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most is not the thing they want at all.
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And then the thing that they don't want that goes too far,
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borderline their safe word item. They come back the next week, in
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two weeks and they're like, I've been masturbating about that
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every day. And that's how you learn to push
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the limit with people. Yeah, yeah.
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I had one client that came in. I don't think I ever saw him
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again. It was one time he wanted role
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play. Like he was kind of vague about
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what he wanted. I don't know what I heard in my
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head, but I thought he said, I don't remember the word.
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I had imagined that he meant like a whole role play on like a
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plantation and like a southern belle or something.
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And I did this whole role play of being like this weird
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southern belle on this plantation.
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We ended the session and he's like, I don't know why you did
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that, but that was like one of the greatest.
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You told me you don't remember that.
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He was like, no, I didn't say that.
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You know, it's like an except working.
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Yeah. I mean, they're just so excited,
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OK. Did you have any moves that you
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would use during the meet? And just as a background, a
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client would come in and they might say I want a 5 foot 5
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brunette with brown eyes. That would be me.
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And like the manager would go pick all of those people.
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Or they might say I want to meet everyone.
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And that happened a lot because they just wanted to talk to a
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bunch of pretty ladies. Totally.
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So you were competing against everyone who was working that
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day often. Did you have any moves or things
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that you knew could get the client?
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Yeah, 100%. The good thing about working at
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the dungeon for so long is U1 became really good at reading
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people. Like within within like 30
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seconds you can really get a hint of like this is a good
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session for me or this guy's going to be so annoying you.
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Feel the energy. You know, they would say words
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sometimes and you knew how to interpret the words that were
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clearly meaning something else that they just didn't want to
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say. The term sensual domination was
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always like a big red flag that when I need a sensual Dom it's
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like oh God. Aided when they said sensual
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Dom. Whatever they think it means, I
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don't even know. But I know what they want and
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we're not talking anything sexual.
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They just, it's sad. They want comfort and adoration.
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They want a girlfriend like they want what girlfriend experience,
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Yes. They're not actually there to do
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any kind of BDSM, really anything, unless it's so light
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that you're like, just go on a date, my God.
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I know we're like stage in a sitcom or something.
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We like turn our nose up and it like I need this money but not
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that bad. You got really good at telling
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like, yeah, what what you wanted.
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And so if I determined this is going to be a good session for
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me, I really liked a lot of the like beating sessions.
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I really liked wrestling sessions.
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Stuff like that was like more physical stuff was really for
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me. And if I got the hint that this
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would be something I would definitely light up when they
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said it, you know, like they'd be like, oh, I'm really into,
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you know, wrestling. I love wrestling.
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What kind of wrestling do you like to do?
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You know, it would be like your voice would change, your eyes
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would light up. You'd get that like, you know,
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sudden turn in the outfit I would wear.
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I'd always wear this wrap dress, you know, my gigantic pump
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peels, you know, that were velvet, the light up.
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And then you'd be like, this sounds like it'd be really fun.
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They want to hear that. You're enjoying it.
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You're. Gonna enjoy it too.
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I'd be like, well, it'd be it's so great to meet you and you
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know, I'd give them a nice little handshake, make sure and
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linger a little bit and I'd turn and I'd walk to the door.
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I'd do a nice like slow saunter, like I'd grab the doorknob and
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I'd turn and look over my shoulder and I'd give him a big
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smile, maybe like a slow blink or like something and then
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there's a slow turn and the turn over the shoulder.
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I would know almost 100% if I got it or not by the look.
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So I would be. Like.
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You know, if he was still like really engaged at that point, I
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was like, I got that session. I know exactly what you mean.
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I tried to never be first because the first girl in was
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nice. She would come out and say
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here's what he wants so you could prepare.
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So I always wanted to be second. I wanted to be prepared.
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I had something similar. I wouldn't do the over the
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shoulder look. I would tie my hair in a loose
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bun and I would open the door and I would shake it put as I
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walk and just give them a slow sawn for in with my hair falling
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around my face like let's go. And that was my move.
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But it's similar to your over the shoulder.
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Move smart. I mean that's it's super smart.
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I just remember always thinking when I got dressed, we all had a
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locker. We'd put outfits in there
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because they'd ask you to dressed like a nurse or in all
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black. They would ask for different
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outfits. I just remember thinking I am a
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present that they want to unwrap.
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Even if it wasn't a session where I wanted to get a tip on
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being naked. I was like, that was the
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mentality of how to dress like you needed to dress up and be a
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present when you walked in the room.
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I cared a lot less about what I didn't talk about.
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Honestly. I discovered pretty quickly it
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actually doesn't matter what you look like almost at all.
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It matters what you look like in their eyes, but that has nothing
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to do with you. Because I remember getting
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sessions where it was like, I want a 5 foot 2 to 5 foot 6
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brunette brown eyes, like all of the things.
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And there were a couple of us that looked like that and there
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were 10s. There were like knockout 10s
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working there. Sometimes I would get the
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session, I'd be like, I need to not worry about how I look ever
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again. Do you know what I mean?
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Like I need to understand to someone I am their 10 because
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they didn't choose this other 10I.
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Feel like another great lesson of the dungeon is that there is
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a person for everyone. If someone does not pick you, it
19:31
has nothing, almost nothing to do with your physicality, with
19:35
your looks, with anything. They'll say they want something
19:38
and then they'll pick somebody completely different.
19:41
Yep. So it was just one of those
19:42
things where you either learn really quickly that it's fine,
19:46
you get some kind of complex about it and you leave because
19:49
that seems to be a thing too. Like there are people who get
19:51
really self-conscious. There are people who are really
19:53
and they don't last very. Long no.
19:55
And I'm surprised I wasn't one of those because sometimes I
19:57
used to be a little self-conscious.
19:59
I mean even to this day. Not with the move like that
20:01
where you come out with your, but that's the thing too.
20:04
It's like sometimes it's a move, sometimes it's engaging in a way
20:08
that is has nothing to do with what you look like.
20:10
It's everything to do with how the session is going to go
20:13
because you have a good back and forth.
20:16
Everyone wants to be taken on a journey for the most part.
20:19
Like I had a client and he picked me every week and a month
20:22
or two and I thought this guy must really like me.
20:24
And he said, do you know why I choose you?
20:26
You have the best memory. You have to look at the script
20:29
the least. I've never had someone with such
20:31
a good memory. And I was just thinking, are you
20:33
kidding me? It wasn't my looks.
20:35
It wasn't my voice. I wasn't playing the role the
20:38
best. Because he had a thing that if
20:40
you messed up the script, you had to go to the top of the page
20:43
and restart. That his fetish was one specific
20:46
script and you had to just learn that.
20:48
It'd save time if I just knew it.
20:50
Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
20:51
Because it was the worst, though.
20:53
It was the worst when you got to near the end and you fucked it
20:55
up. It felt like a punishment
20:57
because it's like from the top. That's another funny thing about
21:00
the place is like everybody's thing, you know, like
21:03
everybody's of course got to think.
21:04
And sometimes they'll say it like that where it's like, oh, I
21:06
want you to role play, but it's not the role play.
21:09
It's that we get through the role play.
21:10
Exactly. You know, or like Joe, I would
21:13
see for hours every week and he just literally needed a warm
21:17
body to listen to him. You know, it's like sometimes
21:21
that's what it is. You just have to be listening.
21:24
There were also people who just showed up and they'd come and
21:27
ask for things that I'm like, I know for a fact you could get
21:30
this for free outside of this location.
21:32
Yeah, All he wanted to do was just spank your butt and he
21:36
didn't want to hurt you. So he would do this whole mental
21:38
prep thing with you where at the beginning he'd be like, your
21:41
bottom needs to be punished. You don't separate these two
21:44
from each other mentally. And it kind of worked.
21:47
But like, that was the thing. I'm like, I'm pretty sure you
21:49
could find this. I.
21:50
Had a really, really attractive young man come in once that
21:53
wanted to wrestle. He was in his 20s.
21:56
He was like fit. It wasn't like incredibly kinky,
22:01
the wrestling. It wasn't like he needed the
22:04
head scissors for a lot longer or like that there was any like
22:07
smell that he needed smell. He just wanted to like
22:10
physically touch you and wrestle and like we had a great time.
22:13
I remember being like what's going on with you, dude?
22:16
Like you could literally like any girl like that you see for
22:20
any amount of time, like just play wrestle.
22:22
He was a big buff dude, but he you know, he wasn't rough with
22:25
you or anything. It was like.
22:26
And he didn't want you to slap his Dick or anything at the end.
22:29
Nothing. Crazy.
22:31
That one I think about a lot because I, I ended up talking to
22:34
him afterwards. I was like, what is, you know,
22:36
he never came back again. I never saw him again.
22:38
So I wonder, like, oh, maybe he was just trying it, You know,
22:41
you wonder if people are like, I've always just wanted to go to
22:43
a dungeon. I've always wanted to just go to
22:46
a dungeon, and I know I worked at 1:00, but I always imagined
22:49
I'd go to a dungeon and pay. Someone just wants to see what
22:52
the experience is of paying someone to tailor an experience
22:55
to you. Because no matter what, we were
22:57
always still thinking about the client.
23:00
And I've never had an experience.
23:02
And I know everyone's like, well, you're a girl, like you
23:04
can just get that. But to have an experience where
23:06
it is all about you and you're not just about you.
23:09
You're paying. So you're calling the shots,
23:11
you're at the boss. You know what I mean?
23:13
It's like pleasure me, do what I want.
23:15
Right, right. That's what I want.
23:16
It's hard to think about that in the opposite way where these
23:19
guys come in, because I don't think I ever treated them that
23:22
way. You know, I feel like I did
23:24
center around what they wanted. I.
23:25
Always felt like I had to center around what they wanted and I'd
23:28
make it my own as much as possible.
23:30
But do you think I wanted to dress like a nurse and go
23:32
through like, for all intents and purpose, a medical exam like
23:36
a real one with a script? That was that session.
23:38
No, Right. And I had to examine him from
23:40
head to toe in the same way it was clothes on.
23:43
I was literally using the hammer on his knee, like for reflexes,
23:46
and there were lines. Anyway, my point is it was very
23:49
centered around him. Well, what's?
23:51
Interesting about our I feel like our experience is that we
23:53
had very different clients at the time.
23:56
Such different style. Yeah, because of our style.
23:58
I think we both saw Pennsylvania pee.
24:00
But you got K Doctor times. I caned him 100 times.
24:04
So then I got caned 100 times. I wonder if he learned like he
24:08
was like, oh, I can do that. I should do that to somebody
24:10
anyway. Honestly, maybe that's what
24:12
happened because then he wanted to do it to me and we got 60 in
24:15
and I was in a bad way. Not emotionally, not crying or
24:18
anything like that because I'm. Professional.
24:20
No, I'm I'm stubborn. I was like, he will.
24:23
Not see me hurt and he got to 60 and he was like no, I can't go
24:27
on. I was so annoyed.
24:28
I could tell he was really emotionally affected by having
24:31
to do this to me. So I said, no, you said 100,
24:34
we're going to 100. So I caused that pain myself.
24:37
But I could tell he was like, and then we finished the 100 and
24:40
I said to him, I knew he felt bad at 60.
24:43
I turned him. I was like, I can't believe you
24:44
did that to me. I am so bruised up.
24:47
This is how you made your day go by, you know, like how do I fuck
24:50
back with that? Because the mind fucker, he went
24:53
both. Ways totally it does it does
24:56
maybe that's where the filter goes away you know you're like
24:59
why don't I just say what's really on my mind because you.
25:01
Couldn't always with certain clients, it was sort of like,
25:05
but you also could sometimes. OK.
25:07
Who are some of the other clients that stick out in your
25:09
head? Pennsylvania Pete always was one
25:12
because he would do such a long session.
25:14
Well, not only that, he would do an extremely long session.
25:17
He would tip 5 times more than any other person on every hour
25:21
you worked. Yeah, right.
25:23
And he would sometimes take you out to dinner and pay for those
25:25
hours as well. Right.
25:26
He was always very good to you. So he saw me maybe like not very
25:30
long. I think I saw him for like once
25:31
a week for like two or three weeks.
25:33
Like it was a very short amount of time.
25:35
At one point I was like, I don't really want to do this anymore
25:37
because it's so long. him and I didn't we vibed well personally,
25:41
like on a human level, but he always swore up and down that he
25:45
was not submissive and I would do the same thing.
25:50
So it's like, you know, it's a rock and a hard what are we
25:53
going to do for six hours? It's definitely a switch.
25:55
Everybody knew that except for him.
25:57
The stories that they used to tell, they used to come in and
25:59
live out their fantasy and pretend they had these like big
26:02
important jobs. I'm pretty sure it was his
26:04
wife's money he was paying. Really.
26:05
I didn't know that. I don't think it was his money
26:08
at all. I think he married someone
26:09
wealthy and that's where he would come into the city for the
26:11
day and you know. It's always hard with clients
26:14
because they tell you one thing and you find out that they told
26:17
somebody else something completely different.
26:20
And then you start to wonder like how many of these people
26:22
are actually telling me the truth?
26:24
You, you already know that it's built on a lie.
26:26
Like you already know their name isn't the name that they're
26:28
giving you. You already know that it's weird
26:31
because it's, it's all based on shaky evidence initially.
26:35
I remember if someone said that he was like a high-ranking
26:38
military official or something and that's where he got his
26:41
money, someone was like, well, his he has like bad teeth or
26:44
something. Nothing felt real there.
26:46
And not even just with the clients in the management side
26:49
of things, like everything was very secretive.
26:52
We never knew what the owner did.
26:54
We never knew what he did. We didn't know if it was like
26:57
honestly, I'd heard multiple times that this was like his
26:59
business that he laundered money through, but like rumors I.
27:03
Told you. We were talking last week about
27:05
how there ended up being like a small hole in one of the showers
27:09
and every girl started the rumor almost immediately that there
27:12
were cameras. I mean, there was always the
27:14
rumor that there were cameras everywhere and we knew.
27:17
There were in the hallway the. Other rumor was that these
27:19
cameras were recording sessions or they were recording in
27:23
bathrooms, like where you would be showering and like nobody
27:27
ever knew the truth of do. You know what was always weird
27:30
to me? OK, there was a rule.
27:32
You couldn't have sex with any of the clients, right?
27:35
Somehow everyone who had sex got caught, as far as I know.
27:38
Are we getting fired all the time?
27:40
Oh, I didn't know that. I don't remember this part of
27:42
things, but it could be. Because you were OK.
27:44
There's a couple of things. You weren't a bad girl, Neither
27:47
was I I was not having sex with clients, but also you were not
27:50
there to get the gossip. I would show up and my job was
27:53
to get gossip, in my opinion. You're right, I I did not want
27:57
any of her. It was pretty.
27:59
Much like keep my name out of your mouth, I'm here to sit here
28:03
and watch TV because we had Netflix.
28:04
Right. We had Netflix and I would bring
28:06
my computer and and try to work my other job, you know, so it's
28:10
like I was trying to double dip. No, I mean, what else were you
28:13
going to do? We had one girl getting her real
28:15
estate license, another doing her masters like there were.
28:18
People, there was a lot of people who came out with
28:20
doctors, yeah. Yeah, there were so, so many
28:22
people in postgraduate studies. Totally.
28:25
It's a great place to study honestly.
28:26
But I would go in and get all the gossip so I knew who got in
28:29
trouble that week. Like it was it was in so many
28:32
ways my perfect job because everyone just wanted there's.
28:34
For us non industrial people, there was a lot of time to just
28:37
talk shit. But my thing was like, how did
28:40
he know they were having sex? That's a great point.
28:42
And then one day one of the managers, there was a New Girl
28:45
there and everyone was wary of her and she came in and once you
28:49
talk to your client and found out exactly what they wanted,
28:50
you'd go get the implements that they asked for.
28:52
You'd go like set up your session and the manager would
28:55
scan everything out. It was actually a very in depth
28:56
process. The fact that it worked so
28:57
efficiently was pretty impressive.
28:59
But she asked for condoms and the manager looked at her and
29:02
said, why would you need condoms?
29:04
You haven't asked for a single dildo.
29:06
It's like, oh, that's probably how they figure out who's having
29:08
sex with sessions. And probably the reason the
29:11
manager said that to her was because she was new.
29:13
And it was like, we can't have new girls being this dumb.
29:16
It was supposed to be on the manager to give them that kind
29:19
of information from the get go. But as you know that things
29:23
don't always. They get a little lost in
29:25
translation. I remember my interview.
29:28
I got hazed a little bit in my interview.
29:30
How are you hazed? I actually went to a real job
29:32
interview right before this. That one didn't end up working
29:36
out, but I was dressed in like and I had like my only blazer
29:40
and skirt. I remember it was like a like a
29:42
pinkish tan color and it was winter.
29:45
So I came in, you know, like a nice little winter cup.
29:47
I see how you're dressed in my head.
29:49
And I've got these like little pumps that are like kind of a
29:52
maroon color. I'm wearing tights.
29:54
I sit down and she looks at me and she just starts ripping into
29:58
my shoes about like, why would you wear these shoes here?
30:01
What were you thinking? You were coming to a real
30:03
interview? Like she was just like, And I
30:05
was like, oh. And then she goes, well, I'm
30:07
sorry, I've got a shoe thing. I had no idea what I was getting
30:10
into. So I was like, right, But she
30:12
did break down. I remember feeling really
30:15
relieved because at the time, I didn't know if sex was on the
30:19
table or not. I didn't know if these were
30:22
things that they did here or not.
30:23
And I remember after that interview, I felt like, oh, this
30:26
is something I could do because like, sex is off the table.
30:30
She broke it down where I felt at least safe.
30:32
There you are interviewing in the manager's office.
30:35
So you see this gigantic screen that has cameras everywhere that
30:39
you were, all the elevated rooms, you know all the.
30:42
Whole way the moment you buzzed the door of the building, you
30:45
were on camera. Totally.
30:46
It felt like a good system, like they had really thought of
30:50
everything you know at the time in my naivete.
30:53
You're like, Oh yeah. They actually run a tight ship
30:56
here. It was by far the best part of
30:59
working there was the women that you'd work with, but.
31:02
They were insane. Being in New York too, I think
31:05
is its own. Maybe this is different if you
31:07
go to a dungeon that's in Atlanta or a dungeon that's in
31:10
California. It's not as rough in terms of,
31:13
like the girls, we'll say hazing, but I'll call it for
31:16
touch. Yeah.
31:17
No that that is true. Once the cops start showing up,
31:20
it's different story you. Feel different, but I didn't go
31:23
through any of the early raids. You had to go through raids.
31:26
I wasn't working there at the time, but the place got put on
31:29
blast basically because one of Charlie Sheen's mistresses or
31:32
something became famous when he lost his mind.
31:35
And she said I got my start at this NYC dungeon.
31:38
And you would think they wouldn't pay attention to that,
31:40
but the cops? It definitely changes the
31:43
dynamic of the whole place. Well, what?
31:45
Happened during a raid. So would you get a call in?
31:47
Advance like, you know who sell? So it's not like a drug bust
31:50
where they sometimes give people warnings they're coming.
31:53
We wouldn't get that, but I don't think we did.
31:54
At least, you know, I don't know because I wasn't the manager
31:56
answering the phones. But like, since everything was
31:59
on camera, people would come and start buzzing in and you would
32:03
see them and they wouldn't be on schedule.
32:05
Everybody had to call beforehand and say, Oh yeah, I'm coming in.
32:10
This is so and so either they'll say I'm a new client or they'll
32:13
say like the manager knew them basically.
32:15
So yeah. There was a whole onboarding
32:17
system for new clients. Totally.
32:18
That's another piece that was like, oh, this place is safe.
32:21
They check people before they come in and they would always
32:25
tell us if it was a new client. So it's like and.
32:27
New girls weren't allowed seeing new clients.
32:29
You were always wary of a new client.
32:31
You did not do anything that was even close to what could be
32:36
illegal. It was very strict.
32:38
And if they walk, they walk. But it's like, OK, you weren't,
32:41
you weren't into it, You know, I'll never forget seeing it on
32:43
the screen of like they had like jackets, like NYPD kind of style
32:48
jackets. Like Windbreakers?
32:50
Yeah, that had like a big three letters on the back, you know,
32:53
and you're like fuck, you know, they're coming to see you, They
32:56
buzzed you, they're going to the second floor.
32:58
They have to be let in. But I think at the time, the
33:01
ones that I remember, I never had to go out the.
33:03
So there was a back. But I never had to go out that.
33:06
Never. Had to go about the back, but it
33:07
got scary for everybody. The manager had to call every
33:10
single room and say lockdown like don't answer the door, get
33:14
your clients dressed, everything.
33:16
And you were locked in, by the way, it was one of those
33:18
magnetic doors and you were locked into the room, right?
33:21
Because it's what kept the cops from being able to enter unless
33:24
they had a warrant, right? So ever again that the owner had
33:27
his side on lock. You know, like literally,
33:30
figuratively. It's a smart thing to do and it
33:32
made everybody nervous, though it's a scary thing to not know
33:36
whether or not what even is going on.
33:38
You know, as a person who might be their first day, you know
33:40
they. In your locked in a room, yes,
33:42
sometimes alone or with a client which is even worse.
33:45
I've had both things happen. It was never a good thing and it
33:49
wouldn't just be that day. The fear would continue for a
33:53
few weeks to a month after that because you didn't know if it
33:56
was going to happen again. You didn't know if you were
33:58
going to get arrested or your livelihood was going to get
34:01
taken away from you. And sometimes when it was
34:04
particularly media driven, like if there was an article or if
34:08
somebody said it in a newspaper, clients would stop coming.
34:11
They would get nervous too, and they wouldn't even show up
34:13
because why would you put yourself in any kind of
34:16
dangerous situation, a possible high power figure or just a
34:20
regular joke? It would cut into your funds.
34:22
Would they talk to you ever? Would they ever ask any of the
34:25
girls anything? I never been questions.
34:27
I never see question questions. They would always talk to the
34:30
manager or the manager would at least know what to say to get
34:32
them to go away. Sometimes it was like, you know
34:35
the goings on and then what the dungeon was.
34:37
But sometimes I remember one of the times was a girl was spurned
34:41
like she didn't get paid or something happened with her pay
34:44
and she wanted to punish the owner so she called like the
34:48
Department of Finance or something and.
34:50
Like God. Got them to come and like,
34:52
that's almost worse. But anybody with a three letter
34:55
jacket coming in is not good for business in any way, for the
34:59
girls or for the clients or for the owner.
35:01
The laws are nebulous, you know? Yeah.
35:03
They are most of the time nothing illegal is actually
35:05
happening and it's very easy obviously with that lockdown
35:08
system for it to work. I remember one time the cops
35:10
came but not to our building, not our floor, but we still went
35:14
through the process of it. Had a client that I had walked
35:16
to the bathroom because not every room had a bathroom and
35:19
then this happened so I ran back to the room.
35:22
One of the other girls ran into the room with me, Left her
35:24
client locked in A room. So she comes in and I'm just
35:29
sitting down sort of like I'm nervous, but I'm also like, what
35:32
the fuck? I don't even know what this girl
35:34
Rainbow is pacing back and forth, back and forth.
35:37
And she's just like, oh man, oh man.
35:39
This is not a good time for me to get arrested.
35:42
And in this moment, I realized, Oh my God, she's serious.
35:44
And I look at her. I say, Rainbow, when is a good
35:47
time for you to get arrested? Because it's never OK for me to
35:50
get arrested. And this poor girl, she had just
35:53
started a new job. She was going through a divorce
35:56
with, like, these kids, and I'm just like, oh, my God.
35:58
That's right. If she has to go to jail, she
36:01
has a lot more at risk than me having to figure out how to call
36:03
the Wall Street Journal to tell them I'm not making it to my
36:06
shift in the morning, you know, brutal.
36:09
That's the other thing. We're just coming from all these
36:11
different walks of life, truly. Another reason why you know when
36:14
you've been a pro Dom and you talk to people about it, they
36:17
always say like, you should write the book, right?
36:18
They do. And I always would tell them I'm
36:21
like, there's no way I'm writing a book and there's no way I'm
36:24
naming anything or anyone because contention still exists.
36:27
This. And it's putting people in
36:29
jeopardy to this day. If you say any of the names of
36:32
things and get people, yeah, interested.
36:35
It's one thing to be a part of a kinky thing, you know, but to
36:38
start naming people and places? And I don't think any of the
36:42
same people are there anymore. Like I'm sure there's been 40
36:45
different turnovers since then. Totally.
36:47
But privacy is such a huge part of that world that it feels
36:52
wrong because you've been wronged by it.
36:54
You know, you definitely were put in a situation that you felt
36:57
very uncomfortable because somebody flapped their mouth.
37:00
It does feel like betrayal. I remember the one time the
37:02
owner never got involved in squabbles or bickering.
37:06
But I remember one time I did call the manager.
37:08
So I was working and there was a woman and I think she dressed
37:12
terribly, not like your interview outfit, like this
37:15
woman dressed. I think we called her the
37:16
Fisherman's wife. She wore this white head dress
37:19
to work one day and none of us could believe it.
37:21
I don't know if we called her that to her face, but anyway, I
37:23
remember she was working on her laptop the whole time.
37:26
She was a weirdo. She never really wanted to do
37:28
anything. And then two days later, I was
37:30
at work and I was in the bathroom at the Wall Street
37:32
Journal at my, like, day job. And she walked in and I went and
37:36
followed her back to her desk. And she was a reporter.
37:38
And I realized, holy shit, there's a reporter on my floor
37:41
at the Wall Street Journal working at the dungeon.
37:43
She's definitely writing a story.
37:45
And I called the owner. I can't believe I even had his
37:48
number, actually. Like we did have that level of
37:50
familiarity. And I said, I work at the Wall
37:52
Street Journal. I do this.
37:53
I'd worked there long enough that he knew I wasn't a
37:55
journalist. And he fired her that that day.
37:57
He said he called her, called me back 45 minutes later and said I
38:01
fired her. She won't be back here again.
38:03
Seven or eight months later, an article came out from the New
38:06
York Post, and I can't prove that she wrote it because it was
38:09
a pseudonym, but someone wrote an article and I'm convinced it
38:13
was her. The New York Post and Wall
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Street Journal have the same owner.
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It was a good thing about the. Fired.
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Yeah, he did try to take care of the safety aspect of things.
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Like, I always thought that was the best part of working in like
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a place I didn't have to advertise, I didn't have to
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worry about safety ever. They had safer than we would
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have kept ourselves. The buttons, the doorbell
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things, the cameras. There was a process for every
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situation, Even the cops showing up, there was a process.
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One of those major articles came out, they started putting a
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security guard in the lobby. No way.
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And this was such a huge misstep.
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I don't know if he did it or the building did it.
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I think the building did because they wanted everyone to sign in
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with their names and I remember being like, this is just going
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to be a death knell for us. That was that must have been the
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new place because. That was this was the old place,
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but it was the beginning of the end.
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And I think that was what one of the major reasons we moved over.
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I don't know what the reasons were, but I remember all the
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time though, because it was just like some like minimum wage
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security guard, so he wouldn't require like an ID or anything.
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I remember all the time I wrote in like an anonymous as my name.
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You know, you just start making up names every day or a
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different person every day. But it was fine.
39:26
You know, you didn't have to actually show ID, but it was one
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of those steps that like it. Begins to unravel everything it
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does because people want to at least feel anonymous even though
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I want to point out when a new client showed up we did take
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their ID, we kept it on file and that also kept us safe I.
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Think they took our IDs too. Yeah I remember it wasn't
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initial. After the finance thing he
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started writing us in as. Like W nines or 1099?
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Yeah, because there was some legitimacy that needed to be.
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I know and thank God he did because I rented an apartment
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using the income from that job. And I remember the leasing
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agent, I don't remember what I told him I did.
40:04
I said it was like a catering company or something and they
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called and when I showed up to pick up the keys to that
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apartment, that man knew what my job was.
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Never said it. He was polite.
40:16
We had a good rapport for the whole time that I lived there
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because he leased out like a lot of apartments in the building.
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But he knew. But thankfully it was because
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all of our income was tracked on from that.
40:25
I had no idea. I mean, the way we got paid was
40:27
so strange. It wasn't strange, but gosh, an
40:31
envelope is never. And there's standards, say
40:34
breakdown, like you got a little piece of paper in there that
40:37
said the amount. Yeah, but there wasn't like you
40:39
had this many half hours or this many out.
40:42
Like it didn't look like it was tracked.
40:43
But I'll tell you something, there was not one single week
40:46
where he got it wrong. It was always right.
40:48
Isn't that crazy? Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, that's the other part of the secrecy of everything
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though. I was working there for probably
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like 5 or 6 years before I had talked to another girl who had
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been there longer than me, and she found out that I wasn't
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making more money than what you make when you come in.
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I hadn't negotiated my pay in like 5 years.
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You go negotiate I. Did and I end up making a little
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more money? Like was it worth it?
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I don't know. I It wasn't a lot, but it was
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enough. You felt like, oh, OK.
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I'm above these girls. I.
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Wouldn't say that but like at least I have like moved up in
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