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The Art of Admitting Mistakes in Sports - NFL Week 17 Episode · Off the Bench - London

• Speaker 2 (00:31.47) Ladies and gentlemen, you are now tuned in to Off the Bench London. Your host Malcolm the milkman no Alice got the visionary home only at the clubhouse Where the game never stops? 450 pikes half-price wings massive screens are the best staff in the city Don't forget to like and subscribe YouTube Spotify Get your podjars fixed! Yeah, look, we the boys have been running the town, don't debate that. Giving our jerseys life lessons, you can take that. Every Monday night, that ritual for sacred. Big screen dreams, we made it at the basement. On the bench, London, we up now. Pints in the air, feel the hometown sound. Talking life, hustling them game situations. Built from the grind, pure dedication. Ain't no gimmicks, it's love. Foundation the clubhouse vibe that's a London celebration we talk sports like motivation every drop of milk that's innovation you're rocking with Off the Bench London brought to you by 100 Kellogg Lane the clubhouse where London comes to watch the game now let's get into the show Speaker 1 (02:02.51) Okay, 17, let's go. I'm again every week, every week. Like the theme song gets me going at a single time. I don't get to hear it anymore because I keep touching the headphones and I keep messing up our audio. Yeah. Well, I mean, sometimes. Keep making bad decisions. How was your Christmas? Speaker 1 (02:27.788) It was solid, nice and relaxing. Always good to have some time off. I mean, between the two of us, we work a silly amount of hours. So having some time off for Christmas is so relaxing, it's almost weird. That's what I'm saying. unfortunately. Speaker 2 (02:43.434) I knew what relaxing was. the Christmas season, because obviously family is kind of big, right? So every single day is kind of regimented an aspect where today is kind of the first relaxing day I've had. But obviously it's not really relaxing because I'm keeping up with all the information. We have to talk about the podcast and all the jazz. maybe tomorrow I'll get to sit down and relax. You know me too well. Yeah. Speaker 1 (03:08.841) No you won't. You're going to be doing something. I feel like, I don't know, this time of year it's so weird, because even the football games, they mess with your head because they're on different days than usual. Like you throw in some Saturday games on a Saturday that no one realizes is Saturday, and you have no idea what day of the week it is. Well, the Christmas games threw us all for a loop. Three. Not just one, there was three. Which like, and unfortunately it was like the big D of games, because it was Dallas, Detroit, and Denver all playing. Yeah. Speaker 1 (03:49.814) And Kansas City. Yeah, we'll talk about right now. no one cared about those games. Like, I feel bad for like, like, the AI system that made the schedule and thinking like, this is gonna happen, this is gonna happen because clearly AI was wrong again. Hey, theoretically, those were really, really good games. Yes. Because like the Vikings and Lions last year, both playoff teams, the Broncos and Chiefs, it's the Chiefs and the Broncos are really good this year. and they showed Highlife last year, And then Dallas is always trying to be in contention and the commanders were in the playoffs last year. Speaker 2 (04:34.476) and the commanders played very very well last year as well right so yeah yeah when you look from that it should have been if you were basing off of last year but obviously you have to live in the present and unfortunately the Christmas games were so bad this year There's so many like that, that like you can look back and be like, well, they're wrong, but like. Still theoretically, those were gonna be good games. It should have been a great game. It's just end of the season. Some games just end up being meaningless because people get injured, teams are out of the playoffs, situations change, and teams go from playoff mode to tanking mode right away. Yeah, statistically it should have been a great game. Speaker 1 (05:22.638) But I think it was just nice to watch football on Christmas. I know my mom, my mom super, super definitely loved it because I walked over to their house and put on football in the morning or I guess the afternoon. And then it was on the rest of the day. She was like, when does this end? was like a few more hours, a few more hours. and then it's a lifestyle, it's a culture. But yeah, so good holidays then and obviously we've got New Years coming up so that's another holiday coming up and then this is well it's back to reality. Yeah. Speaker 1 (05:56.206) back to real life. It's that I always say it though it's the between Christmas and New Year's nobody knows what day it is. It's Monday see it's Monday. days that said wait yeah but it's crazy it's the last Monday episode Right? This is why I was like, you know what? I think what I should do today is dress like the poster. Alright, I clearly... I probably should have sent out a memo. Speaker 2 (06:25.206) I guess so. I mean we talk enough on here. We don't need to talk talk. You gotta just know things. True. starting this podcast, our communication outside of the podcast is definitely dimmed because we don't want to spoil communication that we could be like, I could have said on the podcast. Depending on the topic. Well, sometimes, but yeah. Just life gets busy, doesn't it? It's always nice to unplug a little bit. though it's a Christmas. Yeah, Merry Christmas. Even though it's a little late. Speaker 2 (06:57.462) It is what it is. We're here, we're merry. It's not Christmas, but we're here. always at the clubhouse. Yeah, well, still the Christmas season. So yeah, so and then like today we have Denmark versus Canada, World Junior. Yeah, this place is bumpin'. Yeah, they got crazy stuff going on here. Speaker 1 (07:17.386) Yeah, Canada's doing pretty good. They haven't lost yet. A few close calls. world. Well, candy usually dominates So who we got tonight? Denmark? Denmark. And we got Finland tomorrow? Yeah, I know they're pretty good this year. So we'll see. That's usually a challenge. Speaker 2 (07:38.03) Alright, so you want to start into the early topics that we usually do? So the one thing that comes to mind, it can be definitely like a theme for owners, fans, sports analysts, know, regular life, you know, and it's like the concept of being wrong and understanding when you're wrong. And what I mean by that is like Yeah, let's do it. Speaker 2 (08:06.902) a great example and related to like football because like week 18 is coming up next week and you have the Ravens versus the Steelers and the winner of the game gets to go into the playoffs. Which is cool. But we were, I was saying earlier, I wouldn't be shocked if that's when they fire a coach. Harman has a good opportunity to get fired if they lose. Same with John Harbaugh because both GMs came in thinking, hey, you know, we're going to dominate. This is our year. Everything's going go well. Joe Burrow goes down. It's like, like this is our opportunity for like the Ravens and even the Steelers. yeah. Speaker 1 (08:53.428) Yeah, but then Lamar went down a bit. That kind of made it very evident that Harbaugh can't do it without Lamar. Just like Zach Taylor can't do it without Joe Burrow. Exactly. But that's Speaker 2 (09:07.31) Exactly. But like, I think the biggest thing that like, since week 17 and 18, a lot of coaches are going to get fired. GMs are going to get fired because at the end of the beginning of the year, you're starting with like this philosophy. We know this is going to happen. We've brought in the right people in and blah, blah, blah. And then sometimes it blows up right in your face. And it's how you like evolve. I made the right call. Speaker 1 (09:31.758) What I think that's something that like why the Eagles are such a powerhouse franchise mm-hmm because They admit that they're wrong all the time. It's true, and they they're like we made this move this move this move We made Five five moves. We know two of them are gonna be the wrong call We'll just move off them as soon as we notice true because they move off things super quick like an elephant brain, like a short-term memory. Well, like, and that's with a lot of things, whether it's like life or relationships, you might pick a girl, things go well in the beginning, then you start seeing red flags. You have to make that decision before, you know, you... Yeah, you have to. Speaker 1 (10:15.266) You get bullied. You know what mean? Both of y'all get burned to innocence, right? Well, I don't know, it's just having to, when teams are able to keep the emotions out of it, and not be like, I'm tied to my opinion, I'm tied to my decision. You have to be able to pivot, because if you can't pivot, then you're just gonna be locked into that decision. I was, I actually saw this thing earlier today and it was Strickland from AEW and he was making a mention that, you know, at some time you have to put your pride aside and whoever your boss is, you ask them what they want because at the end of the day, we know what we want best, but just because what we know what we want. Yeah. Speaker 2 (11:10.04) doesn't necessarily mean the necessary, rest of the public wants it. Your boss may not want it. Your coworkers may not want it. And sometimes if you hold your pride back, you can be more flexible. Yes, you can still make mistakes and so forth, but it gives you an opportunity to grow in another aspect. And if you do make a mistake, you have the support in the back end. Like John Cena was like, you the, you know what I mean? Like I'm always going to throw a little wrestling in there. But like John Cena, he was like, Vince McMahon's guy. And it's because he was like, I'm gonna make mistakes and my boss is gonna make mistakes, at least we're gonna do it together. And let's make a good product off of it. So when I used to teach workshops, one of them was about communication and goal setting, a whole bunch of different things. one of the things I would talk about was knowing the goal. So when it comes to work, when it comes to our podcast, when it comes to a team, it's all about everyone knowing what the actual goal is. Because if I were to ask you, all right, Malcolm, what's our goal? And you're going to be like to be the greatest podcast ever podcast ever. Like, cool. We need to communicate that. So we're both on the same page. for sure. If I'm with the mindset of like, hey, let's just keep doing this as long as we can have a fun time doing it. And you're just like. no, we gotta grow this thing, we gotta do this, and we're not on the same page, what we're doing is gonna be totally different. Yeah, there's gonna be a huge disconnect. Speaker 2 (12:55.054) disconnect. One is putting more effort and so forth and then... think it's just different directions of effort. you're like, if what I think I'm doing is right, it may be right for what I think the goal is, but it's wrong for what you think the goal is, and vice versa. So then we're just confusing each other, and then people start getting frustrated, and it goes with everything. For football, the... you Let's say you got Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones is like, we want to throw an entertaining product. That's our goal. We want to be entertaining. We want to be fun. We want to be flashy. We want to be in the news. the GM or the, I guess not the GM, he is the GM. head coaches and the players are like, we want to focus and win the Super Bowl. Meanwhile, it's the Jerry circus and everyone isn't on the same page. So it's very confusing. That's probably why there's shenanigans all the time. Speaker 2 (14:01.57) Yes it is. Speaker 2 (14:12.302) It was. versus the Eagles who are all... This was a dysfunctional and media played hand in hand with the Eagles. Jerry Jones has been doing this with the Cowboys and they've been known America's team. Jerry's Jerry's world and and all this other jazz and it's like even Stephen A Smith goes, you know, once the Dallas Cowboys gets into the playoff, they're one accident away from being out of it like. First year, I say. Speaker 1 (14:28.462) Yes. Speaker 2 (14:43.744) It's something that they're going to always talk about and everyone's going to be like a fan because it's like, I'm going to be a fan of the Dallas Cowboys because the year I became a fan is when they got their stuff together. You know what I mean? Like that sells merchandise that gets fans going. And as fans, we might be wrong thinking that this might be the year like a Leaf fan. Well... Speaker 1 (15:09.134) It's always their year. It's been their year for like what? 50 years? 50 plus? Yeah, 50 plus. But it's it's like, that's the same concept of like, you know, at some point you're going to be wrong and how are you going to maturity? How is your maturity level to get past that and not dwell on the mistake or, or the issue of Yeah, when it comes to like, I know we've talked about it before, how like when your team's doing really well, it improves your mood, but not letting, if your team doesn't play well, not letting it destroy your mood. for a lot of people when it comes to sports, it can change their mentality, their work ethic, their productivity. It's crazy. And we're talking about football. It's just like, maybe you made a wrong decision on being a fan of that team, but like. Hey, don't look at me when you say that. Speaker 2 (16:05.454) the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the Yeah, I ain't going nowhere. Speaker 1 (16:16.214) Yeah, now that it doesn't matter. We got our stuff together now crazy everyone Honestly though, I think they really needed that we'll get into that later, but But yeah, no, I think I think they really needed that one having fun at work. Speaker 1 (16:37.484) The last two weeks have been good for us. the the Yeah. I'm not shocked at all. Speaker 1 (16:55.918) Yeah, because they're going to the playoffs and he gets murdered every week because their O-line sucks. It's true, it's true. Yeah, he's like, he's running for his life every week. Same with Dak. Dak's running around. They're trying to protect their investment, but I think Joe Burrow has made it very clear that he wants to play. And honestly, as far as a fan standpoint, I think it's the right move. Because unless it's an absolute catastrophic injury. He'll be fine in September. Speaker 2 (17:38.528) If it's a close game, yes. If it's a blow, take them out. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like what you're playing for if your offense isn't moving. I I just think it's really nice for fans that only get to go see so many games. Yeah, yeah. Go get to see the people that they want to You're not wrong. I'll definitely... Speaker 1 (17:59.374) Even though it would be really funny if Joe Flacco slapped the Browns. Speaker 2 (18:06.658) Like if Burrow plays for the first half. Yeah, that might be interesting. Get a good read on how everything's going. the year with Flacco destroying the Browns even though the Browns are shockingly like playing well but let me rephrase that Browns defense is playing really really well Yeah, their defense holds them in every game. It's the same thing Houston has, except Houston's defense is even better. I wish I could say that about Green Bay. Speaker 1 (18:35.928) Well, I think losing Parsons has had a really bad effect. Well, that and like, they're losing pressure from the other side because now no one's having to double team anybody. So it becomes a totally different game. You can't scheme the same, same they used to. That's Mr. Fourth Quarter. Speaker 2 (19:00.29) Well, at the end of the day, going back to like the earlier topic is just like, Hey, we're wrong all the time. Especially you when you talk about Joe Burrow leaving. Terrible opinion. All I'm gonna say. Yeah, but. Speaker 2 (19:17.758) is sometimes we put in our own opinions and personal biases and hoping for, you know, different changes and so forth. And you get wrapped up on the concept and then reality sometimes kicks in and then realizes that you're wrong and it's how you pivot or how you communicate that forward. That's true. Speaker 2 (19:38.766) Obviously I was seeing reports about the burrow thing and that's how I was like, oh, you this is a possibility X, Y, and Z. Whether it's a reality, it's a different story. But like in sports or just like in regular life, it's the concept of having a short term memory on when you're wrong and accepting those mistakes and taking accountability and being able to move forward and enjoying the mistakes as much as you're going to enjoy when you're right or when... the good things happen in life. Well exactly, bad things happen all the time. Obviously everything we do is with at least a little bit of wishful thinking. I could throw this and hope it's going in the garbage can for sure. Might, might not. If it doesn't go, it's not the end of the world. I don't know, it's having that wishful thinking that keeps you going and being able to accept that like, well, it is what it is. Sometimes things go wrong and just being able to pivot and... And not every single time when you make a mistake that there's consequences. That's a beautiful thing about living. Not everything has a consequence. Not everything has like, it's not like you're trying to take over the world. Speaker 1 (21:02.904) Well, here's one that I know we can both relate to. about things going wrong and being able to pivot. And sometimes you think something, you want something to go right, you know it's gonna go right, and then something happens and it goes wrong, and then you gotta pivot and then figure out how to make it right anyway. Service industry. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Things go wrong all the time. There's so many moving parts just like everything. It's funny, because like, I've been saying this since I was young. If you don't have a strong dishwasher in a restaurant business, whether it's, you know, top scale, low scale, doesn't matter. If you don't have a star dishwasher, everything falls through the cracks. Everyone doesn't know how to communicate. Everyone starts panicking. Food doesn't come out properly. Dishes are too hot. that change the way the items is and so forth and so forth. But you're right, when it comes to like the service industry, there are so much moving parts and it's how you communicate to the guests because unfortunately, kitchen, things go wrong all the time, whether it's the kitchen, whether it's front of house or back of house. could have. Yeah, it could be. Could be. Speaker 1 (22:20.994) Things go wrong all the time. Speaker 1 (22:29.191) to do with anything. whether another guest spills something on them. It literally anything, but it's just the way you accept being wrong, even if you're not wrong, you may not be in the wrong, they could be in the wrong, but you accept it, take it, and turn it around. Yep. Speaker 2 (22:53.07) to it. Cheers to that. Speaker 1 (23:01.518) That's a point. That's a good beer. Powerhouse. Yeah, Powerhouse. Can't go wrong with that. You really can't. Especially these days when you go everywhere else and it's so expensive. Hahaha Speaker 2 (23:16.142) It's so expensive. But like, it's like you're supporting local, so you can't go wrong there. Yeah, yeah speaking of going wrong, you're not going wrong there. Yeah, yeah, not going wrong. 450 Monday nights, half price wings, can't go wrong there. Unfortunately, this is our last live Monday night showing, so if you're not here, then you might be wrong. Exactly. Speaker 1 (23:43.534) Yeah, true. That's true. We're giving away a Hunter Henry jersey. Can't go wrong there if you're a Patriots fan. How many T's did you get this week? I knew you got one. I think it was a light week this week. hey, Tom Brady Jr. in the making. Yeah. Speaker 1 (24:02.488) Man, that game made me sad because they beat them so bad that like Drake May didn't even play the second half for the most part. He played a little bit into the second half, but then he sat out and I had him in fantasy and I was like, damn it, you're supposed to get me 60 points, not just 35. Alright, so how much football did you have to watch on Christmas? As much as my mother would let me. So a shocking amount because my mother is a very sweet lady. Yeah. Shout out to your mom. Okay. All right. Let's talk about the Dawson Washington that you probably watch. I didn't. I didn't care. Speaker 1 (24:52.302) No, it was pretty good. The Cowboys shot out to a real quick start and then it kind of just took their foot off the gas a little bit. Krosky Marriott, he had like 106 yards and two touchdowns, which is great for a rookie, especially as far as fantasy football goes. I guarantee he won some people some championships because that's a crazy. Speaker 1 (25:21.858) big one and he was like a not waiver wire but like on the cusp. It's like when people are getting injured and everyone's shuffling things around like he was a guy that was starting to see there so if anyone picked him up good call but Dallas got a Christmas win. I feel bad for those players though, like playing on Christmas, like for a lot of people it would be like an honor playing on Christmas, but you're away from your family on one day that no one else gets to work. Yeah, there's lots of people who work on Christmas though and those people don't all get paid hundreds of millions of dollars. It's I'm looking from the empathy side of it as well. It's Christmas Day and you have to go to work. Yeah. Yeah, they don't get time and a half. Speaker 2 (26:13.324) You know what mean? They get their salary. It's not like Doc could be like, you know what, if I'm on your team. Yeah, but don't you I wouldn't feel about that. I feel bad for like the people that have to work like nurses. Yeah, those kind of people because like they're they have to do it. Or it's like end of the end of the day. Football is a game. You're playing a game from the hundreds of millions of dollars. So like and you I've made millions of Speaker 2 (26:42.018) You can postpone Christmas. You're rich enough. Exactly. Like, the kids, I left the, the Santa presents are at home and we'll do a dinner fucking Tuesday. Who cares? Okay. Let's talk about the shocker though. Detroit and Minnesota. man, Detroit fell so hard. They fell so hard. I don't get it. I mean, I do kind of get it because like Ben Johnson's absence is kind of starting to show their secondary is kind of shredded and yeah, but the turnover like you see the Vikings had three net yards in the entire game. Yes. They gave up seven sacks. but they also sacked off five times, got four fumbles, two interceptions. Like, that's insane. Speaker 2 (27:43.65) That's not championship quality, obviously. No. That's why they're knocked out of the playoffs. No, and I think that's gotta be fun for the Vikings. Like, technically you're like, it's a meaningless game for them, but like, anytime you're playing a divisional rival... Okay, look in. That's what I mean. Like it wasn't like a meaningless game because like Minnesota is coming in. It's like we can ruin your Christmas right now. Like there is like a purpose to this game. You know, we lose to this Detroit gets in we beat them Detroit's gonna be our rivals for a while. You get the opportunity to knock them out of the... Speaker 1 (28:24.482) Yeah. Hey, I liked it. I mean, I didn't like the way they played. Like it was adequate. Yeah, it's fine. but Speaker 2 (28:35.278) Vikings, I don't think JJ is going to be their quarterback next year. He's not polished enough at that level. No. Speaker 1 (28:45.24) I could see him coming in as a really strong backup maybe, but like, I think they would be better off with someone else as their starter. Yeah. Like he has his ups and downs. Like obviously J.J. was playing. But like it's hard to tell if he's gonna be, maybe he'll be better next year once he gets, because this is essentially his rookie season. And it's had a lot of ups and downs, but we'll see how they work with them through the off season. Now that they have some reps behind them, they know more about how he's playing. He stole a rookie. Speaker 1 (29:28.312) But we'll see, it'll be an interesting year for next year for both of those teams. Yeah, it's gonna be fun to see how Detroit pivots from this. It all depends on who gets fired. Well, and sometimes it comes down to injuries and stuff. the beginning of the season, like, yeah, cross your fingers, hope nobody gets injured this year. Like I realized, like even for the Bengals, Joe Burrow doesn't get injured. Totally different story. Obviously our defense was a train wreck, but Trey Hendrickson doesn't get injured. Maybe it's a totally different story. Maybe. But it's hard to say, like you have a bunch of injuries on your. Different story. Speaker 2 (30:04.238) You Speaker 2 (30:12.846) But that's part of football. Yeah. And here's a shocker for me. Last year, Detroit was banged up. They were banged up worse than San Francisco is at any point of this. San Francisco is I look at San Francisco for the past three years, always banged up, but they always seem to make the playoffs. But I'm looking at in Detroit last year, banged up, literally were picking up people off the streets and their defense was still good. You lose your coordinator to the Jets. You lose your offensive coordinate to the Chicago Bears. And either or, the only consistent is Dan Campbell. Yeah. Speaker 1 (30:52.706) Yeah. Speaker 2 (30:59.072) And it's looking like that's not even enough. feel like he's more of a motivator than a coach. He probably has like the book to say... Believe in the culture, believe in the grip. Brit. Yeah. You just believe in it. Just. Yeah. Four. Speaker 2 (31:17.206) Yeah, no. He's playing Ford Field. Ford. Ford, I'm looking for a sponsorship in that Mustang. Forward! Speaker 1 (31:35.214) They might get you a t-shirt. A, Fordstrong. Another game that I didn't really care about because I knew Denver was going to come out. Denver versus Kansas City. The city is on quarterback number three. Was there an ACL tear? No. Yeah. Speaker 1 (31:56.814) No, they didn't deserve that but like they I don't think Kansas City even wanted to win that game It did it didn't like Her needed to win kinda well, they did need to win but I don't think it really mattered. It was dead. Speaker 1 (32:15.862) I think that game was a lot closer than it should have been. Like the Broncos had the ball for most of the game. They didn't do a lot on offense. They should have destroyed them. But they let them hang in there and kept it somehow close to the end. There could have been a game tying drive. But think Denver did the right thing by going for it, putting the points up. making instead of making their third string quarterback go for a field goal, they made him go for a touchdown. Which is a lot harder for a third string quarterback. skiing for a fuel goal, but if you have to win for a touchdown with the touchdown, it's hard when the other team knows that. And honestly, what's crazy is that might've been Travis Kelce's last game in Arrowhead. They kind of made a little thing at the end Speaker 1 (33:17.198) It's like, I don't know if I don't know what his plans are for next year. Obviously, he's still got a lot of left in the tank. Yeah. Like he's not going to be the number one on the team anymore. No, no, he's not. he's still up there. Like he's still good. Yeah. He's done it in the last act. Speaker 2 (33:35.182) He's still a first-bound Hall of Famer. So we'll see what happens. Especially with Mahomes out for however long and how he recovers. Y'all That's tough. And well, I like it's one of those ones where you never know how strong they're going to come back right away. mean, obviously not a running back, but he'd have to change his play style a little bit because he runs around a little reckless. it be more dynamic? Will it more cautious? Will it be more of a pocket faster? Those are variables that we're going to have to figure out. Not us, but. Speaker 1 (34:11.403) Yeah. Speaker 1 (34:15.085) Hey, I think the Broncos Broncos have locked up the division. I don't know if they do they have the one seed. I think they have the one seed right now Yeah, crazy for a while time to be alive. It's crazy The Broncos are good. The Patriots are good. What year is this? be here. Speaker 2 (34:33.101) man. Is Penn back? Manning and Tom Brady? Yeah. No, just Philip Rivers. Almost almost almost almost but Houston at LA Chargers the Saturday game Okay Houston's offense came out really fast. They had like a 75 yard touchdown and like a 50 something yard touchdown right off the hop But then they didn't really do anything the rest of the game They kicked the field goals But their defense is for real like they were all over her like I realized they like the Chargers offensive line has Over that. Speaker 1 (35:20.014) bunch of problems. Like they were, so there's some, there's some highlights there, or I guess lowlights, highlights for the Texans, lowlights for the O-line, but some of were bad. And like between that and the drops, like Herbert actually had a very good game, but it does not show on the scoreboard. Cause he was like making two, three guys miss, making an amazing throw between two defenders. and the guy just bobbles it and drops it. Or like, he throws it, it like does the same thing, amazing throw, hits the guy's hands, lands up in the defender's hands, and you're like, come on guys. I think he has that curse where he's too good that some. Yeah, he's like. He's so good that when everyone around him isn't playing well, it just makes them look awful because he's hitting them with these great passes and they're just keep dropping it. of Lee Duckling. Speaker 2 (36:26.402) Yeah, I noticed that last year and what's his name? Quinton Johnson was like the biggest. Biggest example of like your quarterback is playing well. Yeah, exactly Speaker 1 (36:38.094) They just need to dress up with hands. What they need to do is they need to take Nelson Angler because he can catch now. When he was on the Eagle, he was in the Ravens. He was with the Ravens. I can't remember. He's all like, tell me what it God. was playing now. Speaker 1 (36:53.412) the ravens? I have no idea. Could be anywhere. Speaker 2 (37:04.514) All right. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's a long week. A lot of drinking, a lot of eating. Why would you do that? Speaker 1 (37:13.186) It's Monday. It's been a week. Yeah, it really has been a week. Alright Baltimore and Green Bay. And this is exactly what happens when you use Derrick Henry like you should. Okay. Harbo. Speaker 1 (37:35.476) Use him next week. Don't dumb. All I'm gonna say. Like, use your running back. Like, wow. And honestly, I feel like this performance from him this week is going to scare the Steelers and it will open up their passing game. Exactly. But like. With a. Yeah. Well, Tyler Huntley, he's a solid backup and he's exactly like the Mark. Exactly. Backup quarterback. Speaker 1 (38:07.148) Yeah, .7. Okay. Yeah. Snoop is great. Yeah, like look snoop had a Christmas student like Snoop Dogg had a Christmas special during the Lions and Packers game or Lions and Vikings game. I think yeah, I've been that one anyway But yeah, no, I think That performance is gonna scare the Steelers into having to make sure they're watching for the run a lot more and my business. Speaker 2 (38:37.87) And this is why I also think that, you know, after that performance by Baltimore, it's going to lead to someone getting fired. Because if the Ravens could do that to Green Bay, now Micah Parsons injured and missed, but Micah was ever... Different story. Yeah. Speaker 1 (38:53.57) they had it done that last week. they would have won. Yes. Because they sat him in the fourth, well, almost in the fourth, for the full fourth quarter. Yeah. And they didn't really, we're like, what are you guys doing? Give the man the ball. Yes, he has fumble problems, but he'll figure it out. Just use him. Yeah. Speaker 1 (39:15.106) Why? He won a lot of people's fantasy championships this week. Holy. I mean, if those people were in the championship, if they had him. If they had If Adam I doubt. Speaker 2 (39:29.902) that they would have made it that far or they would have traded them away. Mm. Yeah, you never know. You know what mean? Because he was not having a good year. That was his first great game. And then at the end of the year, not good for a fantasy film. Green Bay, I don't know what to tell you about the Green Bay Pass. No, no. Speaker 1 (39:54.412) Hey Malik Willis is playing really well. Yeah. He could be a starter next year. I wouldn't be surprised. Speaker 2 (40:08.0) Or is he a year away from being a starter somewhere else? He could be, yeah, it's hard to say. I feel like he's gonna be, he's one of those high quality backups that like, if your starter goes down, he's gonna be an actual functional replacement, not just a band-aid fix. Because there's some teams that like have a backup and their backup is not good. As soon as the backup goes down, like, Speaker 1 (40:46.638) but it's interesting with them. still don't know how, like, their offense is weird. Like, I still have no idea who their, like, number one receivers are, because they use everyone so well. They just, like, I find the Packers distribute everything so well that, I know Christian Watson had a really good game, but, like, consistency, it's one or two of them go off every week, but you have no idea which ones. True. I just requested us to get more beers. Nice. Speaker 1 (41:29.368) is sending text to the bar. Hey, Clippers. What's the next game on there? Tampa. I didn't watch. Man, I feel bad for Tampa. Miami Speaker 1 (41:47.212) Okay. So Tampa has, Tampa can play, Tampa's playing Carolina this week. For the time. For the time. Speaker 2 (42:01.88) Gonna go on a quick standby. Speaker 1 (43:03.566) And we're back. Just like that. Just like that. That's probably on me for not telling you to go to the bathroom before we go. No, I did. right. Well, there you go. The weekend and blood pressure medication Tampa and Miami, okay. So Tampa is playing my... To play off again next week, yes? Next week. Playing the Panthers to go to the playoffs, to win the division. There is a scenario where if the Falcons win tonight and then I think the Falcons have to win next week as well, then it doesn't matter. who wins the Carolina-Tampa game and Carolina goes in. Speaker 2 (43:52.598) Stop! No way! Yeah, because they'll all be tied and Carolina will have the better record in division. Speaker 1 (44:06.638) trying to fact check me right now. But yeah, I know feel bad for the Bucks. They've had a rough year. They started off so good. And they've just been going downhill ever since. Speaker 1 (44:20.6) But Quinn, yours looked pretty solid. True. I know one of them was like a 63-year touchdown off the hop. But... I don't know. If I was a Bucs fan or a Bucs player, I'd be a little disappointed because you look at it and what? Of course I'm right. right. Panthers are eight and eight. Falconers are seven and nine. Falcons are six and nine. If the Falcons win, they become seven or seven and nine. Even a tie would ruin things. Yeah. that is intense. saying. Speaker 2 (45:07.662) Thank you. Look at that. The service here. Service is so good, you should marry her. It was his wife. Thank you. Speaker 2 (45:27.8) Yeah, that is a crazy scenario. The other crazy thing is like, isn't playing so well. No, that's wild. Speaker 1 (45:36.408) Not last week. Not when we slapped them around last week. Yeah, but you guys are on a revenge tour right now. Yeah, they are. I think they're just gonna... I'm really curious to see the game next week just because I feel like doesn't matter. So we're just gonna slap them around. But like I'm hopeful for Miami. Obviously a lot of things are going to be changing. New GM, potential new coach. new number one wide receiver quarterback. Speaker 2 (46:09.454) Number one, It's going to be a re-built. And for Miami, they're going to look at the New England Patriots and how quickly they turned that team around and how they can do the exact same. Yeah. Like, unfortunately, New England and Miami are in the same division. So it's like, kind of to see. I think it's nice though because it gives them that, you're like, well they did it, why can't we do it? raises the bar of competition for sure. Speaker 1 (46:39.16) Well exactly, and like... You know how you always say you're like, you're the average of the people you hang out with? You're the average of the teams you play against. If you're playing against dumpster teams all the time, you're going to be another dumpster team. But if you're playing against top quality competition, like I'm not saying the Jets are top quality competition. Exactly. Speaker 2 (46:59.916) same division too and they've been seeing this happen over and over and over. The bills and the patriots. Well, somebody has to get stomped every week. Yeah, somebody, they just can't keep up. Something's gotta be the lowest I've played. can always be the golden child. But let's talk about the golden child though. New England pages versus the little child, the New York jets. Speaker 1 (47:22.328) They slapped them around. I was kind of annoyed because they were beating them so bad that Drake May didn't even have to play in the second half. He played like a little bit in the second half, threw one more touchdown and then sat out. With like... What? quarter and a half left to go. Like he played a little bit more than half the game and scored five touchdowns with like an almost perfect pass or it might've been a perfect pass rating. But I think he was like a night, like over 90 % completion rate, five touchdowns, like insane. But like. Speaker 2 (48:06.934) So, it's week 17, week 18 happens, playoffs happen. There's gonna be an award show. Yeah, I'm thinking him. How many awards go to the Patriots? Coach of the Year, GM of the Year, MVP. Yeah. you know, defense award. Speaker 1 (48:29.9) defense might go to the Broncos. I'm thinking defensively it's going to be Broncos or Texans. Yeah! Speaker 2 (48:38.274) Maybe Cleveland, you can't get into Cleveland. No. The Broncos and Texans most improved team after overall? Oh, 100 % there. Man, like I look at it right now, it's just like, that was a quick turnaround from last year to this year. This is why I saying he's the coach of the year. And you're looking at me going, oh, I don't know, it might be. I'm Ben Johnson. Yeah! Speaker 2 (49:05.622) Well, the fact that we're talking. Yeah, Benja. Well. The Bears are playing coach of the year quality. Like there is no doubt about it. I can touch you when you go against San Francisco and San Francisco is that full like full strength like. 95 strengths. they didn't have Kittle. Kittle sat out but you know. like Dragon Ball reference, he's South, San Francisco is South. They're just absorbing each team and getting stronger. Just sacrificing people to keep McCaffrey healthy. until they get back to the Super Bowl. If they get there, but. Speaker 1 (49:50.924) No, the pages are playing really well. that loss they had to the bills is definitely what they needed. It got them refocused. Okay. It shows them their vulnerabilities and how to improve and they're young enough that they can make those changes without changing the course of where they're going. Yeah, exactly. Well, I saw at the beginning of the game, obviously, when they were up by a ton, they were up like three touchdowns right off the hop. And I was like, are they going to be like, we're not doing this again like we did against the Bills? Yep. Obviously, the Jets are not the Bills. They don't have a superhero on the other team, but they did not take their foot off the gas at all until they were up by like 40. So I asked this question. We're talking about coach of the year on the one side. He's a first time coach, like head coach too. Is he done? Jets is a coach. I can't remember his name right now. Speaker 2 (50:58.542) They had the fire sale. They haven't gotten an interception. He's done, but he'll definitely be taking a look at every coach. They may not fire him, but they're going to be definitely auditioning. But like, his body of work right now is not looking good. It's the Jets. you take over the Jets, you know your record is gonna suck for a bit. Well, he hand picked Justin Fields. Speaker 1 (51:32.782) Yeah, that's a mistake. our perfect side. He handpicked Justin Fields. I mean, Justin Fields did have a handful of good games, but like... He showed highlights. like, everyone can show highlights. True. Speaker 2 (51:51.532) And then you see the low tapes, the whole light. yeah, the low lights are worse than the high lights. Can't throw a ball. like his career is done, unfortunately. Who knows? Maybe he'll just be a random backup somewhere that we'll forget what team he's on and then someone will go down and then he'll randomly go into the game and just light it up and you'll be like, my God, he's back. And then he'll go back to playing like. Speaker 1 (52:20.718) I'm gonna end up on the Eagles just because. Pittsburgh versus Cleveland. Hey, shout out to the Browns for making week 18's final game actually matter. Because if the Browns lost, then the last game would not matter. Yeah. Man, didn't get a record, unfortunately. They were focused way too much on that. They were focused so much on the sack record that they weren't focusing on winning the game. They were literally told, yeah, take a penalty, take a face mask, do whatever it takes, don't let him get the sack. There was a bunch of other sacks because they were leaving them less guarded because they just didn't want him to get it. Speaker 2 (53:16.985) If that's what it takes. But I honestly think that it's doing stuff like that that is part of the reason why if the Steelers don't win next week, it's 100 % their own fault and everyone is gone. That's a coaching. Well, that as well as decay, I'm sorry, last week. I He definitely cost him that game. Speaker 1 (53:42.414) Shocked they didn't void his guarantees. They didn't void his 40 million in guarantees. But like it still is gonna cost him $500,000, something like that. But the fan put out a press conference. you gotta sell that to me. yeah, why? Rightfully so because the video came out and he didn't say anything called him by his name his legal name Whatever it is, I don't want him to come in through the door and punch me. I he's got the wake up cool but Yeah, he put out a statement because like people were going after his family and everything because like if call them by his legal name. Aquarius. Speaker 2 (54:22.286) I got you covered. Speaker 1 (54:32.212) a professional athlete who's a public figure goes on the news and says he he said something racist everyone is going after that guy because they trust him And it's culture, there are cancel cultures too. And then you find out he lied about it and now that guy is like that changed everything for him. Like who knows what happened like at his job. If they jump the gun or like we don't want people like you working here. sure. Speaker 2 (55:01.767) You send a bad message to our clientele. Did he release the press conference with the Detroit Lions though? Exactly. Speaker 1 (55:11.21) no, it was like on the news or something. Like his lawyer was there and you could tell it was like a pre-written statement that he was like trying to like remember while he was talking about it. I mean obviously you guys listen on the news all the time. I guess. Speaker 2 (55:26.59) But like, DK not being there this week, DK not being there next week. You can tell, okay, so in football, if you have a number one, your biggest problem with being number one is knowing that there's gonna be points where you're not getting the ball because you were either double team, triple team, or quadruple team, because the other team doesn't want you to get the ball. That's gonna be bad. Speaker 1 (55:51.886) Yeah, because they know you're the first read. Yeah, exactly. You're the first read. The quarterback's looking at you. I'm going to try to take that option away. That's why like, Gainwell is a really good option because, ZK's covered. Gainwell's on the back end and he's my safety net because no one's going to look at Gainwell. He gets the ball. But the moment you take that away, now the team's like, well, we don't have to double team anyone else because y'all aren't good enough. Everyone's getting the same treatment. Thanks. Speaker 2 (56:23.818) I'm Aaron Waddington. Now nobody's open. Speaker 1 (56:31.244) discover that. So I don't blame, for Cleveland, great play. Their offense didn't play that well. It showed a highlight. They have a Pro Bowl quarterback. Yeah. But what I will say is on the offensive side is what I've been saying about Green Bay is their defense keeps them in the game to allow the offense to make mistakes. And as a rookie quarterback, this is amazing experience, especially when you beat a quarterback on the other side who also played against your dad. 100%. It's been like that. Speaker 1 (57:03.522) It's good. Speaker 1 (57:13.198) That's wild to think about. Yeah, I never thought, I didn't even think, catch that one. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, 20 years ago. Man, wow. That's crazy. Like, 20 years ago, Aaron Rodgers played against Deion Sanders. It's been 20 years since. Wow. Yeah, I don't think it's good for him to be able to get all this experience right now. yeah, like having a great defense makes a quarterback's life so much easier because like Jordan Love, you can take a lot more risks. even if you're not playing to the best of your ability, you are going to get the ball again. Yes. Yes. Speaker 1 (58:04.972) It's not like when Joe Burrow is having one of those games where he's amazing, but the defense can't stay off the field or can't get off the field. So he's on the field, he scores points and the defense just lets them go, go, go, go, go. Then they score a touchdown and then you're like, all right, cool. Now I gotta go do it again. But I've been off for so long. I was actually finishing up season one of Fallout and it was telling me a simple concept of the biggest currency in the world is time. If your defense is going to give your offense time to operate, that's the best currency that's ever there. But if your defense is taking too much time, your offense doesn't have enough time to perform. So when you look at like sports or or whatever, time is the biggest currency. That's like everything. So like if you get paid hourly, time is your currency because... Money's just a reward, but yeah, time is the currency. Speaker 1 (59:10.67) Yeah, because I'm worth X amount. Doesn't matter what it is. I'm worth, let's convert it to bags of chips. A bag of chips is $5. I'm waking X amount of bags of chips an hour. So like, that's what you're worth. Like that's your time. You're using your time. like, if I'm spending $1,000 on something that's... X amount of time. X amount of hours. A great example, like that's perfect. Like my dad used to tell me when I was younger, like I would work a minimum wage job. He would obviously work a full time job where he was working. And he would get me a pair of boots and he would be like, this cost me X amount of time. But for you to buy these shoes, it would cost you that much time. And it's like that comparison, it's just like, yeah, I'm making minimum wage, he's obviously making a bigger wage. It wasn't even a full day, it'll take me two days to make the same amount to get those shoes. Exactly. That's why his time is more valuable, but he's sacrificing his time to get you shoes. anyway, the more time your defense can provide for your offense, the better. Speaker 2 (01:00:36.494) Okay, so on flip side of this, time is starting to show because for Jacksonville and Indianapolis, Jacksonville is killing it. They are a dark horse. They really are. think Trevor Lawrence is playing really well. He's finally adjusting and he's going, okay. He's figured it out and he's like, he makes the decision to run or pass really quickly now. And when, he's an athletic quick guy. He's starting to play like he did in college. He's getting comfortable. He's got some pieces around him. And... in five years. Speaker 1 (01:01:21.214) He's looking pretty good. I mean, he screwed up one of my playoffs by continually running in touchdowns, but you know. When you're like, have his tight end and his running back. If he either hands this off or throws it to somebody, I get points. Instead, no, he just runs it in and the guy I was playing against, I've had it, but is such his life. It is what it is. Speaker 2 (01:01:46.606) But like I'm looking at Sonny. That's what I call Trevor Lawrence Sonny from Remember the Titans. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Jackson, Jacksonville wins the 0-1. Where they're playing, how comfortable, dynamic, flexible they are. I don't know, it's gonna be really interesting to, like the playoffs this year, gonna have a lot of really interesting matchups that are gonna be different. Which is gonna be cool. So sure. Speaker 1 (01:02:27.758) Why you gotta do that to me? I'm so susceptible to it. It's the worst. On the flip side, time is fading out with all the time. But Speaker 1 (01:02:39.832) Father time? No. He just came back and he's getting a second opportunity at life. I think it's really, it's really cool what he's doing. Like coming in and being like, but that just shows you how much of a mental game football is because he can come in and people look at him and like he's some old guy, but he can do a lot of these things. Like he's playing decent for like a guy who's been out of the league. five years. Here's the sad thing about it. I hope he gets a win. I do too, I do too, 100%. But the sad thing right now is when you look at it, it's just like, okay, so Philip Rivers has been gone for five years. Speaker 1 (01:03:24.64) And there's nobody there apparently there's nobody better This is what I'm getting at. There's rookie quarterbacks. There's quarterbacks that are waiting to get a call. There's... There's the CFL, there's the XFL, there's arena football they can be pulling up from. There's a whole pool of quarterbacks that Indianapolis could have called. yes, Philip Rivers had an advantage. He knew the playbook because it's what he was running with the high school boys. Yeah. Speaker 1 (01:03:57.582) You got to go to the game, which is kind of... But I mean like when you look at all that it Shines a light on is there a problem right now with? Development of quarterback how to in the college aspect. are they focusing more on the money-making aspect of things? when if you can't find a quarterback to replace your team to potentially try to win a game and and make the playoffs and you have to go to a 44 year old That shines a lot of issues in my mind. I was just like, there's a serious issue going on in the NFL with development. I'm kind of just like Nick Saban and all those types of coaches that built cultures in the college world, allowing them to go into the NFL world and be successful. But now it's just a product. It's interesting because there's so much more movement in the college system. They don't have as much time to learn from the same coach. They're not learning all of these good habits. They're not learning all of these things. And they come to the NFL and they're getting a rookie playbook. They're getting this very simple, go make a play out of it. It's super simplified and dumbed down. Yep. Speaker 2 (01:05:22.766) now though. Yeah. That's why they're asking for so much more. Oh you need a university degree, know, a bachelor's degree, an international degree now basically before you can get a job because you know the people coming in the workforce have just been spoon-fed. It's true, but I mean, I don't know, my thoughts on post-secondary schooling and stuff is totally different. It's a lot of, the reason they want you to have these things is because they want you to prove that you can learn stuff. That's what they want. It's not about the piece of paper. I mean, it's about the piece of paper, but it's not about what you learn to get the piece of paper. It's about the fact that you... We're able to learn stuff and get a piece of paper. The other easiest way is you put in your time to earn that piece of paper. Yeah, I mean they're, yeah, true. Time, time is money. Speaker 2 (01:06:24.258) Time is money. Whether you're paying for it you're gonna get a return, time is money. New Orleans at Tennessee, 34 to 26. Yep, it's true. Speaker 1 (01:06:37.538) Hey, both those rookies look decent. Tyler Show obviously came out with the win. But Cam Ward looked alright. He's getting better. Yeah, he's getting better. It's a work in progress here. Like their defense needs a lot of work. That's time. better. Speaker 2 (01:06:57.122) That's just one of those things where it's just like I'm not expecting the world. he's Desdo. He reminds me of like Jane and Daniel and Terry McClaren last year. Crystal Lave played really well. Yeah. Speaker 1 (01:07:12.2) Okay, yeah you have a veteran wide receiver that's going to tell you, hey, make sure you're looking for X, Y, and Z. It's going to help you in the back end and so forth. So like, it's always good to get those types of receivers and veterans to come in, especially for the rookies. I wish Chider had that option, his number one, but Chider is number one is Jerry Judy and Jerry Judy is not a number one. Here is so good. Speaker 2 (01:07:41.838) or wide receiver on anything. He's not even the number two. Hey, I bet you they'll get they might as they'll probably draft a wider receiver this year Don't get it wild with you, for sure. For sure. Unless they draft a couple more quarterbacks just for funs. Yeah, who knows? It is the Browns. Speaker 2 (01:08:00.13) But other than that, yeah, the rookie bowl, as we can call it, was entertaining. It was good. It's like some other coming. The best word is it was promising to see what's going to happen in the future. Obviously you got to see how they build the team around the two quarterbacks and go from there. Another crazy thing is Seattle at Carolina 27 to 10 for Seattle. That wasn't that crazy. That was pretty much exactly what you'd expect. Sam Darnold played well enough to win. He's having a great year. Inkigai is Seattle number one right now. think they're getting a bye. Yeah. Yeah. that's really good for them. this, that one, because Seattle won, it's going to make Speaker 1 (01:08:57.102) This next week interesting for Tampa and Carolina. They're gonna be battling for that playoff spot depending on what that does Seattle winning knocked the Rams out from winning it and getting the buy because it bumped the Rams from being first to being fifth. If they lose today, they become sixth. Yeah. It's crazy. So we'll see. It's so weird, because there's only like seven good teams in each. Well, there's probably, what, eight playoff teams in each division. Speaker 1 (01:09:33.516) So there's seven spots. They're all just jockeying for, yeah, everything's pretty much set at this point, minus Carolina and Tampa and then the Ravens and Steelers. Other than that, the playoff teams are all set. It's just position at this point. It's a little bit of positional movement, but not a ton of movement. Arizona and Cincinnati 14 to 37. Look at us go, win and win it doesn't matter. They're so good. Hey, my work pool, Chase Brown, Jamar Chase, shout out to them. Winning me a championship. a little Speaker 2 (01:10:16.814) It's like they know that people drafted them for fantasy. So it was like, well, we could shut it down or we can win people money. But like, I think it's fantastic because it shows that like, they can do it. It was always there. It was just someone got injured. Yeah. It was always there. things happen and it's cool that they can provide that spark to the fans because this is going to give us everyone fuel for the offseason, fuel for next year and gives you that spark in the year on a high note. it's really good. I don't know, I love when Chase Brown plays really well because like, yeah. Speaker 2 (01:11:04.014) from London. Frustin' it. as long as he's great to see so I'm happy for that I'd say another toilet bowl game Giants versus the Vegas I mean another. This was the toilet bowl game. Yeah was. 34 to 10 for the Giants. Speaker 1 (01:11:25.176) This was, so now the Raiders have an 80 % chance to get the number one pick? Did you see they sat Crosby saying that he needs knee surgery and then videos pop up of him playing basketball and jumping on a trampoline and he was pissed when they sat him. Like, make it more obvious. Well, we know he played his last few days in Vegas. It was an emotional game for sure. You saw them fighting on the sidelines. It's nice to like, good for the Giants for getting a win. They need it. They get it, but they need it. Well, I mean, they're not going to need... Vegas needs different things than the Giants, so it doesn't really matter. It's true. Like, if the Raiders are going to take a quarterback, probably. Speaker 2 (01:12:23.64) Okay, so me personally, Gino Smith's not that bad. He's bad now because He also has no one to work Thank you. He doesn't really have a running back to work with. You had no real wide receivers to work with. what do you, his own line wasn't amazing. Your coach at the time was retired, came back. Yeah. Speaker 2 (01:12:51.744) And he's, but if anything, Russell Wilson will be the quarterback of the Las Vegas Raiders next year. Russell Wilson will be. You know, if anything, that's the theme, Russell Wilson will be back. Russell Wilson? yeah. Speaker 1 (01:13:05.07) Ech. Well, it's the only person that works with a... Well, it is what is. Carol. So I am so pissed that I didn't go to this game that I worked a shift at the tasting room because Philadelphia versus Buffalo. Okay, if I pause for a second, I'm gonna be back in two seconds. Speaker 2 (01:13:28.878) Stand by y'all, stand by. Speaker 2 (01:15:08.672) And we're back. There we go. So you get one, I get one. Now that I can focus, because I know we're going to talk a lot about this game. Okay. Speaker 2 (01:15:19.22) man, the Eagles versus Buffalo. I need a lot more to happen in that game and it didn't happen. I need Jaylen Hurst to do some stuff. I need James Cook to do some stuff. It was a weather game. so like previously when Philadelphia plays Buffalo and I'm starting to think that they did this on purpose. Like, oh, Eagles and Buffalo are playing. Let's put them, you know, in December or like late November where there's a high chance of snow because usually it's a snowball. Well, this was like a frozen like rain game. Yeah. Speaker 2 (01:16:01.836) So weather was a huge factor. So they didn't have to throw it much. It was a running game. It was a defensive game. Somehow it didn't help me at all. Right? It would have been an amazing game to see. feel like anytime the Philz are playing the Eagles, that's gonna be a good game. For sure. Here's the other thing though is like Speaker 1 (01:16:23.918) Especially when they're both eight and what? no, they were 11 and both 11 and four at the time? Okay, so I have a question for you. From our earlier topic, we were talking about being wrong and so forth. Was Buffalo wrong not going for two instead of kicking the field ball and going to overtime? I'd say 2020, but. You're always wrong when you don't get it. What was wrong was Josh Allen missing a wide open receiver in the end zone to win the game. That was wrong. win the game. Yep, there's no and ifs or buts. Yeah, no, I think they made the right call. He just... whiffed. Speaker 2 (01:17:05.39) It was a great opportunity for sure. I saw that happening. They got that touchdown with like four seconds left. Yeah. And I was just like, shoot. Buffalo's about to go for two and win this game. And then seeing that, was like, ball is on line. OK, we got this. You know, sweet. And then they tried to put it on sidekick and obviously it didn't work. Yeah. But it should have never came to that point. But I do see why Buffalo did it. try to go for it too because the score was 13-12. That means there was no offense. So it could have been a tie game, right? And depending on who got the ball, it's tied then going to overtime. The weather's not in favor of anybody. Yeah, it's interesting though, because like, you see a lot more teams going for it. going for the win instead of tying it. Yeah. Statistics, feeling. Well, especially if you have the momentum. Like they just marched all the way down the field. Game winning drive. We got the touchdown. Everyone's feeling amazing. The defense is exhausted because you've just been beating them and beating them and beating them and they're like, man, we can't stop you. And then all it took was him missing that last opportunity. Speaker 2 (01:18:31.256) So I'm happy for the Eagles. That game made them the Eagles again because they actually played a competent opponent. Yeah, they're the Eagles again Speaker 1 (01:18:45.887) No more pigeons, at least for a week. No, no more pigeons until the playoffs. Yeah, exactly. And then even then if they lose a good team, they'll probably still be the Eagles. Yeah. Speaker 2 (01:18:58.955) eagles, pigeons, same thing. Yeah, it depends who they play in the playoffs. Exactly. Of the next few games play out. play. Speaker 2 (01:19:09.196) Chicago at San Francisco. Man, this game made me mad. I know, I know. That's why it made me mad. Because I needed this to be a different game that my opponent didn't have half of his players playing in. Game of the week, Speaker 2 (01:19:23.778) Same, same. So for fantasy for me, my buddy, or my opponent had Christian McCaffrey playing. Yeah. He got like 26 points. He had somebody else play, Or not, you got Jennings? Joanne Jennings? No, he had someone from Chicago. No, I had Zwift. He got me 20 points. I can't remember who he had, but like, man. Speaker 1 (01:19:43.598) Swift. So it played really well. got like 20... Speaker 1 (01:19:54.026) It was tight. Coraline Loveland? Yes, that's what it was, score them double and tie them. So it's crazy because this was the first game where it was tied 7-7, 14-14, 21-21. It was such a good game. Well, and it started off with Brock's Ferdy throwing a pick six in the first play of the game. He's getting an attitude about it. he's. He's actually earning his contract now, which is cool. Do not drag me. Speaker 2 (01:20:17.678) He's getting outside! Speaker 2 (01:20:24.278) I'm impressed. Like he's finally coming out of his shell. And it's dangerous because as I said, Jacksonville is a Super Bowl contender. San Francisco was at full strength is looking like. Yeah. Yeah, I like it. Speaker 1 (01:20:39.404) Man, Fred Warner might come back for the playoffs. Alright. He's on pace to come back for the playoffs. So, Graham, if you're messaging in the chat right now, I do agree. San Francisco could win the Super Bowl right now. I might be wrong, and I will accept that, but. You're like, I'd like to be wrong, but. Same, same, same. I would love to be wrong. Speaker 1 (01:21:05.122) But no, they're playing so well and like, that's what I saying before about how like, if you get some of your guys injured at the beginning of the year and you can weather the storm till they get back, they're coming back full strength near the end of the season when other teams that haven't been injured all year are getting beat up the whole year. So it's, yeah, dangerous. getting stronger. The other thing is, and I've been saying this for weeks, Yes, I am a Caleb Williams hater. He's playing really well. But every week that I see Caleb Williams play, it's like he's maturing a year in reality. Speaker 1 (01:21:48.194) Yeah. Speaker 1 (01:21:51.832) Well, they were one play away from winning that game. Exactly. But like every week it's like he grew up a year. I don't know what Ben Johnson's doing, how they're talking to him, but it's like it's a huge Whatever he's doing is working. Like I can, I'm starting to see. And it's cool to see what Ben Johnson can do with an actual athlete. But it's way more athletic than Jared Goff. Speaker 2 (01:22:13.39) That too. I'm starting to see the issue with Jared Golf with not having a coordinator that believes in him the same way. Because the way golf plays now is not how we played last year. And seeing Caleb Woon playing now is seeing Jared Golf play with athleticism. It's crazy. Like, I'm in... Obviously he's gotta work on a little bit of the accuracy, but he's got a cannon. Yes, yes. then that whole, I think even his number one receiver, Romeo or Roma, do you say was even playing? So. I I mean, technically, this is number two. Yeah. Speaker 1 (01:23:02.91) DJ Moore is definitely number one. Didn't play like it last night. Wow. I mean, they shared this spread. And then Swift went off. Yeah, but they have two solid running backs. He's definitely using his playbook from Detroit. Use two running backs, change it up, do some trick plays, do some fancy stuff. So I think Chicago is going to be good, which is great. Speaker 2 (01:23:34.362) now and move forward even if they move out of Chicago there's rumors that they're actually moving out of Illinois or Illinois You think they're gonna move us? Speaker 1 (01:23:43.022) What are they gonna move to? Speaker 1 (01:23:48.374) the stadium. so they'll still be Chicago. No. There's rumors that they will drop the Chicago name. Indiana bears. That doesn't flow right. I know. But there is talks about them moving out of Chicago and going to Indiana. Sorry. Weird. Speaker 2 (01:24:12.526) It's just down the street actually. Yeah, I know. Yeah, oh, we could totally go there. So, yeah. So we have the LA Rams in Atlanta tonight. reason Speaker 1 (01:24:25.518) It's a big fantasy day. Big, well a lot of things do come, does come down. Me personally, want ATL to win. So then Matthew Stafford has a bad game because my opponent in fantasy has Matthew Stafford, but he also has Drake London. I'm listening. Personally what I need is a meteor to hit the stadium and the game to just be canceled. Finish. That's pretty much it because I'm winning by I think nine points. He's got Puka, Drake London, and Kyle Pitts. So like, I'm probably screwed. I'm winning by a Speaker 1 (01:25:06.626) such as life. Unfortunately, so who do you got going on tonight? Like who do you think is gonna win? I think LA is going to Yeah, I do. together. I don't think ATL has enough to win against a powerhouse like them. Speaker 1 (01:25:23.182) They're playing really well. think Atlanta might make a game of it. Yeah, they're going to make it a little bit exciting, but I think I'm picturing like a 34 to... That's where they are now with Kirk Cousins. Speaker 1 (01:25:41.71) 23 kind of game Like they're gonna win by a decent amount but I hope not. I don't know, but you never know. Regardless of the situation, I think because they're still playing for that number one seed, LA is probably going to play everybody this week. don't know, McVeigh likes to sit people. If they don't have a shot at the number one seed, they'll probably sit people next week. It doesn't matter come fantasy wise, but yeah, it doesn't matter about us I always think week 18 is so weird because everyone just stops watching. you're just like, everyone's super dialed in, paying attention to absolutely everything, everything that's going on with every single player. Speaker 2 (01:26:28.747) It is the week- Speaker 2 (01:26:36.15) unless your team is playing and needs it. And then week 18 comes along and everyone's like, well, football's over. Fantasy football's over, that's the season. And then people just stop paying attention. That's when people start making their New Year's resolutions. Going to the gym, no one watches football. Then a week later, it's back to the playoffs. That's true. Speaker 1 (01:26:54.082) That's, this is true. The first week, it's week 18, right? Everyone goes to the gym, no one pays attention. Wild card happens, you know what, I'll skip one day. Playoff happen, you know what, I'll wait until the Super Bowl. So, over, new season, rinse and repeat. Well, unfortunately for you, you don't have that option. Yeah. Speaker 1 (01:27:15.18) We'll see. We'll see. Speaker 1 (01:27:21.816) I don't have what option. You gotta stay focused all year. Well, for a few months, but we can talk about that later. yeah, yeah, we'll have a big announcement to drop next week. We got to figure out how we're gonna do this. may not be on Monday. It may be on a different day. We'll record. We won't do it live. Might or we might do it. don't know. Stay tuned. Stay tuned to our feed. But everyone Speaker 1 (01:27:41.688) Yeah, well, we'll still do it. Speaker 1 (01:27:49.302) got a bomb location let us know. Yeah, yeah, we might be back here. We might be somewhere else. We might pivot. I kind of like this room now. It's growing on you? Yeah, it's growing on me. also, it was a little lower. That'd be nice. Another thing is, I think we have a lot of potential with having more guests in this room. I like the vibes here, so. Speaker 1 (01:28:03.086) I the table was like a little... Speaker 1 (01:28:13.954) That's true. I don't know. I kind of like the setup over there just because... interactive. We can watch people go by. Yeah. It's isolated. It's you're more public. Yeah. It's more of like a show at it instead of a student in a private room. But it is nice. It's a nice room. It is. It is. Speaker 2 (01:28:35.886) It's true. You can always book it. But yeah, that's an episode. That's a wrap for another week. Hey, cheers. Happy New Year. See you guys. Made it through every Monday of the season. Let's go. 17 weeks. 17. Speaker 2 (01:28:52.652) the finale. Take care everybody. Peace. See you next year. Speaker 2 (01:29:12.91) Is Scott the Visionary home? Where the game never stops. Don't forget to like and subscribe and follow us on Instagram, YouTube, Spotify, and where else? You get your podcast.