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What does it mean to be connected? · Life In Flow Podcast

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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the Life in Flow podcast.
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  The three of us,
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  Yulia,
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  Polina,
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  and Irina,
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  are exploring what Life in Flow and Flow in Life is.
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  Join us as we experiment,
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  test our diverse hypotheses,
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  and have fun in the process.
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  SPEAKER_00: Will we find an answer?
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  SPEAKER_00: This isn't just an intellectual discussion.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're co-creating a shared field beyond words.
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  We're attuning to what emerges moment by moment so that the
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  conversation itself
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  SPEAKER_00: becomes a group flow experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we invite you to become an active participant in this experiment.
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  SPEAKER_01: There will be pauses and moments of silence.
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  SPEAKER_01: We leave them on purpose because this is where magic happens.
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  SPEAKER_01: Go beyond the intellectual information.
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  SPEAKER_02: Listen with your whole body.
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  SPEAKER_02: and notice how your somatic experience shifts in the process.
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  Share with us what reveals itself in the space where mind,
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  body,
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  and energy flow together.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Life in Flow podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: Here we are, Yulia Bogdanova, Polina Khodova, and I,
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  SPEAKER_02: Irina Mishina, running the show today.
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  The question that we're exploring in this episode is what does
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  it mean to be connected?
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  SPEAKER_02: As I think was emerging in our previous explorations,
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  SPEAKER_02: the connection,
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  SPEAKER_02: it seems to be like the inherent element of
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  SPEAKER_02: of the experience of flow.
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  SPEAKER_02: If we define the state of flow as being one with the experience,
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  SPEAKER_02: then as a minimum,
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  SPEAKER_02: we talk about the connection to the experience itself.
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  So today we want to explore what does it actually mean when
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  we're talking about life and flow.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we will start with our game.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let me remind you the rules of the game.
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  SPEAKER_02: I will give a word.
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  And I want each of us to share a story that comes to your mind
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  in association with this word.
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  SPEAKER_02: But we want these stories to be very sensorial,
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  SPEAKER_02: very concrete,
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  SPEAKER_02: connecting us to the sensorial experience,
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  SPEAKER_02: and let them make short,
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  SPEAKER_02: like maybe one,
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  SPEAKER_02: two minutes taught each intervention.
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  And as we're listening to the story one shares,
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  so the next person who speaks,
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  let this person react somehow again sensorially to the story we
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  have heard.
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  It may be another story that comes to the mind to the next
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  speaker or it may be
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  just also sharing the sensorial experience that emerges for us
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  while we were
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  SPEAKER_02: listening to the story.
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  SPEAKER_02: And
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  SPEAKER_02: So we will do several rounds, two, maybe three.
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  SPEAKER_02: We will see how things are flowing.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think that I probably will define the order.
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  SPEAKER_02: So let's make it that Eula goes first, then Polina, then me.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we will do several rounds like this.
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  And this will be our warm-up to the awareness of what's
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  emerging and the flowing together.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then we will take it from there.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the word I invite us to flow with is not original at all.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's actually the right topic of our episode and it's connection.
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  SPEAKER_03: Let's go.
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  SPEAKER_02: A lot of stories about connection.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think what came to mind first, immediately, was my dog Tiffy.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, I think every day I'm amazed at how in tune she is.
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  SPEAKER_02: with me and with what's going on and with my state.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like I come home and she's always there greeting me.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then as long as I am there with her,
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  SPEAKER_02: keeping the eye contact,
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  SPEAKER_02: she's like wagging her tail and taking my shoes always.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she's like,
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  be there for me as soon as i mentioned it last time as soon as
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  i break the eye
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  contact um and it doesn't matter like if i do it with the phone
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  or if i just like
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  want to go to the kitchen get a drink like okay like
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  immediately she um starts
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  SPEAKER_02: minding her own business and it's like you know she's
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  always like that so if i want to really have an experience of
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  um like in the moment
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  connection i can always so count on her it's like everything
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  about her like her eye
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  SPEAKER_02: gaze her posture her movement like everything is about connection yeah
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  Is the game where we say words that are associated with
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  connection or did I misunderstand?
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  SPEAKER_00: I apologize.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sorry.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Stories.
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  SPEAKER_00: Stories about connection?
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  Stories that come to your mind while you listen to other
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  stories about connection,
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  about your connection to the sensorial experience that emerges
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  as you listen to the
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  SPEAKER_02: stories.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, thank you very much.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm tuning back in.
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  So,
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  I mean,
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  of course,
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  because Yuna's story was about her dog,
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  I also have to reflect on mine.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I also recognize...
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  SPEAKER_00: So in my case, it really depends on what mood my dog is in.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's always in different moods and states.
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  SPEAKER_00: But in times when he is more,
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  SPEAKER_00: I guess,
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  SPEAKER_00: feeling better and also more happy,
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  you could really tell because he's actually a lot more present
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  and there's a lot
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  SPEAKER_00: more...
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  sort of resonance in the field of him being in the field and
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  it's really like a
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  nice fun experience to really connect with him but also because
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  of how much
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  connection and energy and resonance there is in those moments
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  when it doesn't
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  happen it it's also really like a high resonance of like oh
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  it's not happening like
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  SPEAKER_00: he's not here he's i can't get access to him um and
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  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't feel good.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I have to do a lot of like managing my state around that.
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  And,
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  you know,
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  the worries that come up,
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  like,
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  why is he not present and connected?
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  SPEAKER_00: What's going on?
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  SPEAKER_00: But also just kind of hold space that he is an autonomous being.
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  SPEAKER_00: He really is.
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  SPEAKER_00: And some days he feels like it and some days he doesn't feel like it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  connecting and some days he prefers me and some days he prefers
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  my partner and some
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  SPEAKER_00: days he prefers none of us.
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  SPEAKER_00: He prefers to sit under the table and observe us from a distance.
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  SPEAKER_00: So.
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  SPEAKER_00: I guess.
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  connection from that perspective is about not just about my
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  resonance and my
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  ability to be both connected to myself in the field but it's
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  also what is available
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  SPEAKER_00: in the field right with whatever it is that you're connecting with so
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  If my dog is not available for connection,
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  I have to tune into something else.
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  SPEAKER_00: If I want to have that experience, if that makes sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's going, what's coming up?
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  I had so many connections that were coming up in my head while
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  I was listening to your stories.
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  But I found curious that when you started talking about what is
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  actually valuable
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  SPEAKER_02: for me at this moment,
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  SPEAKER_02: right before our meeting,
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  SPEAKER_02: for the podcast recording,
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  SPEAKER_02: I was recording some videos for TikTok.
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  And one of the videos actually was titled,
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  what is available for me right now?
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  SPEAKER_02: Ah, yeah.
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  So it's also sort of like funny synchronicity is happening now
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  in the flow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Love it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because I don't want to go now into the abstracts.
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  thinking but yeah I also wanted to share that although the
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  topic of the dogs is
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  very dear to me I love them a lot and they create always like
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  the sense of the
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  SPEAKER_02: great tenderness
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  for me in the chest and it's curious that very often people
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  talk about their pets
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  as the examples of just like being present and connecting to
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  what it is what is
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  here now but I also just wanted to describe it while you both
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  of you were talking
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  SPEAKER_02: about
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  I was more focusing on not so much on the words that you were
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  saying but right now
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  I feel myself like so expanded that I think like this awareness
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  of this feeling
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  SPEAKER_02: that I am too much and I just feel like I've
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel like my attention is absorbed by just watching it to your face.
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  SPEAKER_02: That is what's emerging for me at this moment.
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  And how does that relate to connection for you in this moment
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  as it's emerging?
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  SPEAKER_02: You're like, this is how I feel connected to you at this moment.
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  this feeling of expansion and that my attention goes to more to
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  the visual
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  information just what I see in your faces and the sense of the
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  expansion in my
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  chest rather than to the meaning of the words that are being
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  shared yeah that makes
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  SPEAKER_02: sense
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  Yeah,
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  I feel like this warmth and kind of like cuddliness,
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  the presence of dog,
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  well,
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  of Tiffy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so... We go on.
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  Okay,
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  so for me something was coming up as you were saying,
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  like,
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  what's available?
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  and I think for a long time I was relying like for me what's
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  available was about me
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  like what's available right now so like can I breathe and how
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  should I breathe or
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I should do whatever,
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  SPEAKER_02: like a yoga nidra,
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  SPEAKER_02: or maybe this,
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  SPEAKER_02: or maybe that,
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  SPEAKER_02: like,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: practice.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, maybe go for a walk or something.
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  And then,
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  like,
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  I had a very big shift,
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  a very big,
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  like,
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  transformative experience.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then there was, like, it expanded a lot, what's available.
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  And suddenly what was available was actually like the whole
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  world outside of my
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  SPEAKER_02: brain,
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  SPEAKER_02: outside of my skull.
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  So for me now,
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  what I find myself connecting to or available to me,
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  like so much,
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  And it can be now,
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  like I'm connecting to this...
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  What is it called in English?
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  SPEAKER_02: Only a German word comes up.
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  SPEAKER_02: But anyway,
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  SPEAKER_02: like tiny plants of chickweed,
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  SPEAKER_02: for example,
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  SPEAKER_02: that are now kind of like sprouting everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I can get out and I can connect to them.
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  or I have like 10 types of herb sprouts in flower tops and I
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  wake up in the morning
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  and I can connect to them and I can connect to them as a group
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  or I can connect to
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  SPEAKER_02: them individually.
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  I can look through my window and I have a tree outside of my
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  window that I've been
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  in a relationship with and I can connect to the tree and check
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  how the tree is
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  SPEAKER_02: doing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I could just go on forever.
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  But this is what came up for me when you both talked about
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  what's available.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did that prompt actually shift your awareness?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that what you're describing?
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  SPEAKER_00: Did what change my awareness?
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  SPEAKER_00: That question, well, I call it a prompt.
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  SPEAKER_00: What is available for me?
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  SPEAKER_00: Did that serve as a prompt for you to expand your consciousness?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that what you were describing?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
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  SPEAKER_00: My consciousness expanded like some time ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you were talking about in the, okay, not in the present moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was before.
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  That,
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  you know,
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  for me resonated and made me think about all this that's
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  available.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: What are we going to say here?
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  SPEAKER_02: It's your turn.
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  um you know it's funny this this uh question of what's
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  available i think now that
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  we're actually like logistically talking about it or in the
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  present moment i'm
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  starting to see patterns of that question being a prompt
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  throughout like the last
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  SPEAKER_00: recent weeks um
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  i'm both asking the question of what's available within me as i
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  go through the
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  world and i'm actually i guess asking energetically in terms of
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  tuning in what's
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  available in in the the world and in like the event i'm at in
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  the situation i'm in
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  SPEAKER_00: um
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  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't necessarily have the word connection in that cycle,
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  SPEAKER_00: but now I'd see it is about connection.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is what's available for me within me in terms of connection to myself.
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  And then what's available in the field in terms of either the
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  environment or the
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  SPEAKER_00: people or whatever else is happening.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then there's like this sort of attunement process that happens where
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  It's some kind of like a calibration between me and what's
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  available for me,
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  but also what's available in the field with the others or with
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  the situation.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I arrive at some kind of I don't know,
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  SPEAKER_00: some kind of like space where I guess there's a balance or a resonance.
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  And then I'm able to kind of expand from there based on like
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  where everyone is.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's my share.
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  I'm thinking just like there is so much emerges at the same
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  time for me mentally.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it goes so in line with the questions that I want to ask afterwards.
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  But I think I want to share this story first that came to my
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  mind while Yulia was
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  SPEAKER_02: sharing her connection with these little spruits and these little things.
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  I think it's my first experience of this feeling myself really
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  being part of the world
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  like this connection that goes beyond the physical connection
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  or the mental
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  connection with some kind of experiential level that you are
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  the one with the wall.
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  It was like about 20 years ago,
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  it was the first time when I was in India.
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  SPEAKER_02: And really that was quite a transformational journey,
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  SPEAKER_02: although it had nothing to do with anything spiritual.
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  But somehow that land had that impact on me that I started
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  noticing these little
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  moments of when I was looking at the tree and all of a sudden I
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  was feeling that I
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  SPEAKER_02: was the tree.
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  Or I was looking at the bird that's flying in the sky and I was
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  that bird.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's like...
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  SPEAKER_03: wow, these things happen.
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  And yeah,
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  that was,
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  I think,
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  the first time when I experienced this oneness with the world.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's very curious because all of this take us...
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  SPEAKER_02: to the question that I wanted us to start our discussion with,
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  SPEAKER_02: which is basically when we're talking about life and flow,
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  SPEAKER_02: what is the connection that we're talking about?
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's a connection to what?
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  SPEAKER_02: To people, to nature, to ideas, to energies, to what does it entail?
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  SPEAKER_02: Again,
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  SPEAKER_02: just right before our recording,
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  SPEAKER_02: I listened to an interview with a psychotherapist that I like a lot.
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  And she talks very often about this idea she has about that
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  contact with life.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it reminds me very much like what Paulina says,
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  which means just being very present and to see what is
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  available at this moment to
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  SPEAKER_02: me and what is emerging and what am I supposed to do with it.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I would like us really to explore this connection.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is it connection to people?
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  SPEAKER_02: Not necessarily.
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  Is it connection to the nature,
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  to our pet dogs,
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  to the events,
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  to the flow of the events?
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  SPEAKER_03: What does it mean to be connected?
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  SPEAKER_03: I can start what's been kind of my theme lately.
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  SPEAKER_02: Lately somehow I was returning back,
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  SPEAKER_02: making a circle to something that I already did in the past.
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  At one point I worked as a nutrition consultant and so it was a
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  lot about physiology,
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  about
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  um you know like knowing how we are built um how different
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  systems in the bodies um
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  in the in the body interact and all this like physiological
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  stuff and um so the the
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  kind of like everything is now getting connected to to
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  everything um in a very kind
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  SPEAKER_02: of like visceral way
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  SPEAKER_02: And now I'm thinking about human beings as basically physiologically and
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  SPEAKER_02: neurobiologically forest beings.
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  Porous being like,
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  you know,
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  even if you take a single cell,
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  like it's porous,
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  right?
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  It has like a filter where things are going to get in that the
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  cell wants to get in.
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  SPEAKER_02: Things are going to get out that the cell wants to get out as waste.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this is how we are,
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  SPEAKER_02: our whole bodies at the physiological level,
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  SPEAKER_02: also the neurobiological level,
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  SPEAKER_02: if we talk about the mind,
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  SPEAKER_02: right?
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like now I'm looking at Ira,
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  SPEAKER_02: for example,
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  SPEAKER_02: and I'm connecting to her more than with Polina,
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  SPEAKER_02: but now I'm looking at Polina and I'm connecting with her,
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  SPEAKER_02: like shifting my focus.
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  And so it's like,
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  you know,
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  in one moment,
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  it's kind of like me,
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  a porous being choosing
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  SPEAKER_02: what to connect with.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like,
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  SPEAKER_02: okay,
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what kind of food to connect with,
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  SPEAKER_02: what kind of person to connect with.
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  Am I now connecting to like this plant or am I connecting to
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  like a tree that I'm seeing?
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's like,
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  SPEAKER_02: and those are seemingly,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think,
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  small things and we usually don't really pay attention to them
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  and see them as,
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  SPEAKER_02: ah,
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  SPEAKER_02: like what is this really connection?
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  SPEAKER_02: But every single moment,
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  SPEAKER_02: As we do that,
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  SPEAKER_02: our state,
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: our perception of the world,
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: the lens where we see the world,
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_02: the thoughts that we're thinking,
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: they're impacted by the connection and by our focus,
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: where we direct our focus and then the connection we make.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: But that is something that was one or two minutes.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: May I ask a question, just a fellow friend question.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: When you say,
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_02: for example,
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_02: okay,
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_02: now I'm connecting to this plant,
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: you mean that my attention is directed to this plant.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: I am being fully present just with the attention directed to the plant.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: This is what you're describing.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: Am I understanding right?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yes,
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: connection to me,
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_02: especially with like to you humans for example,
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: I can connect through words besides all other modes of connection.
• 26:19
  But it's like when I walk in the forest or I do my walks in the
• 26:24
  forest like for
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: other people,
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: I say,
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: so okay how do we connect?
• 26:28
  well the only way i know how to connect with the plant or with
• 26:34
  the tree or with the
• 26:35
  land or with the forest or with the clouds is through my senses
• 26:39
  because that's how
• 26:40
  i exchange information right so i can hear i can look and see
• 26:45
  um i can smell i can
• 26:48
  taste and like we all also discuss that there are more feelings
• 26:52
  than just uh the
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: five right so basically it's
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: shifting more to sensing is how I connect.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_03: Felina, do you want something to share at this moment?
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: I was a really interesting concept of humans as poor as beings.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, oh, like a mushroom, like a poor as being.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think so for me, connection is.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: actually a bit elusive in some ways and not elusive in others.
• 27:54
  And I think in ways that it's not elusive is beyond like a
• 27:58
  language that I have for it.
• 28:00
  It's more like like what you would is describing more of a
• 28:02
  sensory experience.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: And.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: When I am connecting, what I'm actually doing is.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: tuning into the resonance of the thing or the person or the kind of the
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: interconnection between the me and the that,
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: the this,
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: this person,
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: whatever.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: So, yes, I actually, of course, I use words and language
• 28:42
  or like hearing someone else's words and language but it's only
• 28:46
  as a prompt to
• 28:47
  actually get me to tune in deeper to like what is actually here
• 28:53
  but not here in
• 28:54
  terms of mind it's more like what's here energetically what's
• 28:59
  what's in the field
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: like what's that data um
• 29:14
  And I think it's easier for me to get more data when I do this
• 29:18
  with humans than I
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: necessarily do this with nature.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: Nature has its own frequency for me.
• 29:26
  It's different than the frequency of humans and even animals,
• 29:32
  like dogs specifically.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a different quality of connection that I...
• 29:45
  pick up on when i'm connecting to the ocean for example or a
• 29:49
  bird it's it's a lot
• 29:51
  more like i'm trying to speak a language i don't speak but i
• 29:55
  have a some kind of
• 29:56
  sensory ability to tune into it but when i connect with humans
• 30:03
  it's more like okay
• 30:04
  this language is more familiar and not language in terms of
• 30:07
  words right but
• 30:08
  language in terms of frequency like this is more familiar i
• 30:10
  have more receptors for
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: this maybe um
• 30:14
  Or maybe it's different types of receptors that I'm just more
• 30:17
  aware of or I know
• 30:18
  how to work with because I haven't maybe spent as much time
• 30:23
  developing the
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: receptors for nature in that frequency.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I think connection, it's actually all about connection in the end.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's what's emerging.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: As I was thinking about what we were going to talk about today,
• 30:42
  I thought about this networking event that I went to yesterday
• 30:45
  and as I was
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: processing,
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: okay,
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: like what was the point of this networking event?
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: I know what the point is according to the people that organized it,
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: we as entrepreneurs connecting and potentially have,
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: referral partners,
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: blah,
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: blah,
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: blah,
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: blah,
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: blah.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: But for me, when I went, it's more about
• 31:10
  It was a gauge about how self-regulated I am and how connected
• 31:14
  I am to me after
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: like all this work that we have done together as a group,
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: but also that I do on my own.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_00: But also was more about like just being connected to the event,
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: to these different people that were giving talks,
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: to just meeting people and connecting with them.
• 31:34
  even though there's this overhanging thing we're all supposed
• 31:38
  to be doing.
• 31:38
  But for me,
• 31:38
  it was actually just about experiencing the field and these
• 31:41
  people and connecting.
• 31:44
  And I don't know that I had it very clear that that's really
• 31:48
  what I was doing.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's my goal in going until this exercise.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: So that was kind of cool,
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: like a full coming around,
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: of like,
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: oh,
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: it's all about,
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: that's actually what I'm trying to do.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, it was all over the place, but yeah.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no, no.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: It was very inspiring.
• 32:11
  I have several thoughts that come to my mind based on both what
• 32:16
  you shared.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: But I have a question for you, Balina.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_02: When you say about the resonance with the energy and with the field,
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: So how do you feel?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_02: Do you understand,
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: right,
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: that it's still the sensory experience,
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: somehow the sensory awareness that allows you to perceive these,
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: energetical components?
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a really good question.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: It is a sensory experience, but I'm not sure what sense.
• 32:55
  It's almost like all the senses,
• 32:57
  but also beyond the normal senses,
• 33:00
  because it's.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: Where does attunement live in my system?
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure it's a.
• 33:17
  there is a physical sensation of the energy uh somewhere in the
• 33:23
  field i can't say
• 33:24
  necessarily it's inside my body i think it's more like and one
• 33:27
  of the other layers
• 33:28
  around the body right so like whichever layer that picks up
• 33:32
  that kind of data is
• 33:33
  what i'm sensing with but it's not like necessarily the you
• 33:38
  know the touch here
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: like it's all senses but it's
• 33:42
  It's for the other layer that that kind of takes those sensory
• 33:46
  inputs in and
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: actually tunes into something else even beyond it.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think I think so.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: So it's still the acute awareness of what is present.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_02: At this moment in this experience.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: And and what is present?
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: Not necessarily.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: As separate beings,
• 34:13
  like I'm a separate entity and those people are separate entity
• 34:15
  and the environment
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: is a sensor,
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: a separate entity.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's more like,
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: OK,
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: yes,
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: there are all these separate entities,
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: but like together,
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: what is the resonance of the whole thing,
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: including me?
• 34:25
  So it is kind of like a trigger to get into flow state,
• 34:30
  because I think when when I start.
• 34:33
  experiencing things that way it's very akin to what we talk
• 34:39
  about flow you know the
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: flow state it does feel like i'm in the flow state yeah
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_02: So you're saying,
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_02: um,
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: um,
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'm curious,
• 34:48
  so you're saying it only takes you to kind of like feel into
• 34:53
  the field as a whole,
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: as opposed to whatever,
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: like the environment and people being separate.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: So, so you don't need any kind of like special input for other people.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_02: So for them to connect or for like any, any feedback or, or no.
• 35:14
  feedback from people to me or you mean like feedback like what
• 35:18
  what's happening
• 35:19
  with the people in i mean like reciprocity can you feel
• 35:27
  connected to someone who is
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: not connected to you
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, kind of like that.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's a good question.
• 35:35
  Do you rather flow when you are connected to that person,
• 35:38
  but they are not connected to you?
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's a really good distinction.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think when there is no one-on-one connection, let's say,
• 35:46
  there's still a sense of connection but not necessarily to that
• 35:49
  person or me
• 35:50
  feeling connected like that that person is connected to me it's
• 35:52
  more like okay i'm
• 35:53
  connected to the thing that's happening here as a cumulative
• 35:57
  thing and within that
• 35:59
  cumulative thing i could also just connect to the like what is
• 36:03
  this person's
• 36:04
  resonance what's their frequency or like what what what's
• 36:08
  what's like the energetic
• 36:09
  thing that's happening or like what what's important for them
• 36:12
  or like what are they
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: What are they trying to get out of this thing that's happening?
• 36:20
  So it's not necessarily connecting to the person is more like
• 36:23
  connecting to the
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: data that's available,
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: like what's available in terms of data?
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: What's here?
• 36:27
  And it is they understand it's like it's the connection to the
• 36:34
  field that includes
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_02: you and the other.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: Person.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yes,
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: but if I'm having a one on one conversation like yesterday,
• 36:43
  I had a bunch of one on conversations that would require a re
• 36:49
  it was like,
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: changing the camera lens back to like,
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: OK,
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: let's zoom into this experience.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: What is what is emerging here specifically in this interaction?
• 37:01
  So do you differentiate then connecting to the field between
• 37:05
  fields where there is,
• 37:08
  let's say,
• 37:10
  conflict or some intensity or is it it doesn't matter what is
• 37:16
  the emotional level
• 37:20
  of tension or well of course when there's a heightened state of
• 37:29
  tension for example
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: then it requires physically it requires my physical nervous system to
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: regulate, to regulate around the tension more,
• 37:47
  in order to still be able to kind of,
• 37:50
  you know,
• 37:50
  without judgment or fear.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 37:52
  Coming up in the nervous system for me to still be able to kind
• 37:55
  of hold space for
• 37:56
  like what is emerging in this experience without really having
• 37:58
  judgment about it.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, yes.
• 38:00
  And there's a very different resonance between different
• 38:03
  containers like one event I go to.
• 38:05
  It feels the whole thing like actually I went to an event last
• 38:10
  week and it took me
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: a good 30 or 40 minutes.
• 38:17
  to be able to attune to the field because it was so scattered
• 38:22
  and there were so
• 38:23
  many different things going on energetically that I actually
• 38:28
  was sitting there.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, all right, like, where am I at?
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: Is that...
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: Is that like influencing this or is it the space?
• 38:36
  Like I had to do a bunch of different tuning in and tuning out
• 38:38
  in order to be like,
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: OK,
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: OK,
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: no,
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: no,
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: it's the space.
• 38:41
  It's a and then like kind of work through it energetically in
• 38:45
  order to settle into,
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: OK,
• 38:47
  this is the resonance of this group or in this specific
• 38:52
  environment we're in.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
• 38:57
  I like this thing that I'm trying to get because you mentioned
• 39:02
  that this was in
• 39:03
  connection with flow so it doesn't really matter like what the
• 39:07
  intensity is or if
• 39:09
  there is a conflict so to get into flow is enough for you to so
• 39:18
  when you connect
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_02: that's enough or
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: And well,
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: no,
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: but because of the quality of the connection matters,
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: also the quality of the energy matters,
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: meaning it's a good question.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: So like.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: In a space that feels in terms of resonance,
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: feels more disjointed,
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: I will still connect to it,
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: but in a different way,
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_00: there's going to be less flow maybe or less connection.
• 39:50
  less less like things coming together in a specific way than
• 39:54
  maybe in some other
• 39:55
  environments where the resonance is higher and maybe I'm
• 39:59
  feeling better and things
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: are just like there's so I don't even know which one comes first.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's a cumulative effect of like
• 40:07
  connection attune and what's what's available in the field how
• 40:12
  am i feeling right
• 40:13
  and and then all of those things kind of like me synthesizing
• 40:16
  them in order to have
• 40:18
  that connect connected experience and also the experience of a
• 40:22
  flow i'm actually
• 40:25
  synthesizing this for the first time so how does that sound you
• 40:33
  wanted to answer
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_02: something you know
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: I got it.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_02: I got it.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: I want to recap what has been said so far.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_02: I find it very interesting that we all talk about,
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: first about this,
• 40:52
  the connectionist presence in really like being in the present
• 41:00
  moment and the acute
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: awareness of
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: everything that's included in the experience.
• 41:09
  And what I find curious is that because we were talking about
• 41:14
  paying the attention
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_02: to what's before us.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: But also,
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_02: Polina said that it's like this acute awareness of the presence,
• 41:26
  it creates the effect of interconnection because it's actually
• 41:32
  for me to become
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: aware of
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_02: my sensory experience of paying attention to something outside me.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: So I need to be connected to myself and to the world outside me.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: And the reason why it drew my attention is because in the world of
• 41:59
  meditation and mindfulness and especially like the um the
• 42:06
  arguments of the dangers
• 42:08
  against you like the arguments against this is the dangers
• 42:11
  because many people see
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_02: it as that it's just a vague case it's a fashion
• 42:15
  like and people are just doing blah blah blah but you see the
• 42:19
  meditation or
• 42:19
  mindfulness is is dangerous and they're making people more
• 42:24
  selfish they're making
• 42:26
  people just focus more on them and less focus on like the the
• 42:31
  needs of the external
• 42:32
  world of the needs of the other people but i think it's exactly
• 42:36
  the other uh
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_02: the other way around.
• 42:41
  The more we're present and the more we are connected to
• 42:44
  ourselves and their
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: experience,
• 42:46
  the more we are connected to the outer world and to what is
• 42:52
  present with us at this
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: moment.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_02: And then also, the reason why I wanted to discuss this question is that
• 43:04
  It's also very popular nowadays to talk about our
• 43:10
  interconnectedness as the
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_02: importance of interpersonal relationships.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: Just go out there and talk to the people.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: And we actually mentioned that when we're connecting to people,
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_02: then yeah,
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_02: it's more about the language,
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_02: the words,
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_02: what we say,
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_02: how we're connecting to the words that are being said.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_02: Not only the sensory experience,
• 43:37
  we all know that it's very possible to feel connected to that
• 43:42
  other person being in
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: silence.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: And actually this feeling of connection intensifies.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_02: Why I was concerned about this because I was thinking,
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_02: sometimes I'm an extrovert person,
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: but sometimes I may be deeply introverted.
• 44:01
  I don't feel like talking to people or going out there to make
• 44:06
  interpersonal connections.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_02: Many, many times in my life, I just, I'm perfectly alone.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to talk to anyone.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_02: So does it mean that at this moment I'm disconnected from the world?
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I wanted to remark that the one we're talking about,
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_02: the connection,
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: this connection includes everything.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_02: The connection to the people and not necessarily relating to the people,
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_02: but we're perfectly honest.
• 44:42
  may feel ourselves connected to another person just by being
• 44:48
  with this person and
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_02: not saying anything and not having any relationships with those person.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's connection to the nature,
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_02: to the objects,
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_02: just to everything what surrounds us,
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_02: just by paying attention,
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_02: being totally present.
• 45:06
  But it also,
• 45:07
  this connection just to the flow of events,
• 45:12
  to the energy,
• 45:14
  as Paulina describes.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_02: So just, like, what is emerging and what is present does not...
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's not only really like these five senses we all know,
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: but as Yulia likes saying,
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: like we actually have how many senses we have?
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: 53.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: 53.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: So, right.
• 45:38
  So like this presence and this sensory awareness is so rich and
• 45:43
  complex that it's
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_02: not just like what we,
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_02: what we touch and what we hear and what we see.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_02: And,
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: I think the more we just,
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: the more we are aware of everything we are present,
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_02: the more we feel connected.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_02: Even if we're just sitting at the table at home and not doing anything.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: Can I add something to what you're saying?
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, please.
• 46:15
  There's also the connection without even being present to one
• 46:20
  another physically or
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: even,
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: like I,
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_00: I feel connected to the two of you at a very long,
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: we are so far away,
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: geographically,
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: but also we only speak what once a week or,
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: right.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes twice a week, but yeah,
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: That connection doesn't turn off just because we turn off our Zoom.
• 46:46
  The the the frequency of the connection or like like the
• 46:50
  intensity of the felt
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: sense of it fluctuates.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like if someone is not feeling great or something is going on,
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: I could actually feel it like if I'm tuning into our connection.
• 47:03
  Like what sometimes I just check on the two of you,
• 47:05
  like what what's in the field?
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: How are they doing?
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: Are we still on track?
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like what's happening?
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_00: And there's fluctuations in the data that's available.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: And you guys are not we're not even talking.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: We're not even in the same on the same point in the planet.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: So that goes beyond senses that we know as senses.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: But maybe it's part of the 56 that you was describing.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I totally agree.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why I always say that to make impact on the world,
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_02: it's not necessary to go out there and to do something.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_02: unless,
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_02: of course,
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_02: your presence,
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_02: your awareness of the energy of what's available says to you that,
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: okay,
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: yeah,
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_02: what's emerging for me now is to go out there and to do something.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_02: But even just like when I'm alone in my house,
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not talking to anyone,
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not looking at anyone,
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_02: but I'm shifting my state.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_02: It shifts the state of the world.
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  And it may have an impact on my neighbor or on you or on some
• 48:24
  person who somehow
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: has been in contact with me.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why this person is connected to me at a certain level.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_03: I...
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, I wanted to say two things.
• 48:44
  The first one in response to what you shared that when we
• 48:50
  connect ourselves,
• 48:53
  we're more connected to the outside world and i think it's like
• 48:58
  meditation or
• 48:59
  breath work it's like we've been um down that rabbit hole right
• 49:05
  so it can be very
• 49:05
  different um and i've seen people i've worked with people who
• 49:11
  um like would
• 49:11
  meditate and the whole point of meditation was to whatever
• 49:16
  what's called like
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_02: spiritually bypass and um
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_02: And so,
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_02: in my own experience,
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think I was able,
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_02: whatever,
• 49:29
  since I have been doing breath work and all of this nutrition
• 49:34
  consultancy and all
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_02: of those,
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_02: some kind of practices,
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_02: a lot of them somatic,
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_02: but I cannot say that this made me kind of,
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: connected to the world,
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_02: really.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_02: I still somehow did not really, I guess...
• 49:53
  it was like a wall of separation between me and well me
• 50:04
  including all humans and
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_02: the rest of the world so it's
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I guess there was like an interchange or interconnectedness.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yes,
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_02: I was like,
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_02: go and look at the tree,
• 50:21
  but I would not really feel anything that the tree you're
• 50:26
  reciprocating somehow.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_02: So that is a question for me.
• 50:34
  And the other thing I wanted to say is that actually when we
• 50:39
  talk about connection,
• 50:42
  connection is also about like what we filter out and what we
• 50:48
  disconnect from
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_02: because it's like,
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_02: as I often say,
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_02: we like have a hundred bucks of our attention or our capacity,
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_02: mental,
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_02: sensorial,
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_02: whatever.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like how well we are connected or how
• 51:13
  if we benefit from this the connections and interconnectedness
• 51:18
  depends on how aware
• 51:20
  are we like what are we tuning out because exactly because we
• 51:25
  are porous beings
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_02: like we have to be very careful about what we stay connected with
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_02: And it can be like people,
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_02: whatever,
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_02: events,
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_02: because as they say,
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_02: and neurobiologically I think even Dan Siegel says that,
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_02: that it's not like our thoughts are often not our thoughts at all.
• 51:55
  they like for example geographically closeness to like certain
• 52:01
  areas where certain
• 52:03
  events took place or to just like disturbed habitats for
• 52:09
  example to war zones like
• 52:12
  or like we all come from Russia right and there is like a lot
• 52:17
  of stuff going on
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: there
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_02: So it's also a very, I think, critical skill.
• 52:24
  And maybe connecting is easier than being able to kind of like
• 52:29
  actually disconnect
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_02: from some things and protect yourself.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_02: Or to filter out.
• 52:36
  the connections or what's coming through these connections or
• 52:40
  to an in and to an
• 52:41
  out i mean it's it's really just kind of i think lowering the
• 52:45
  volume on some things
• 52:46
  they're still there you're just not putting the your focus uh
• 52:50
  and your attention on
• 52:51
  them you're you're focusing on something else well there is
• 52:56
  also like a way to um
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_02: kind of um i don't know just for me kind of to to disconnect
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_02: Because I had two experiences of burning out,
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_02: one working at Greenpeace,
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_02: where I was really taking in everything that's related to environment and
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_02: environmental destruction,
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_02: and that's a very kind of big topic nowadays.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_02: where people do that.
• 53:25
  And the second thing is like the nutrition consulting practice
• 53:28
  was I was taking on
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_02: everything that people were bringing to me,
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_02: basically.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_02: And so my kind of thing of how I was...
• 53:40
  able to to cope with that is to learn to well at least
• 53:44
  temporarily disconnect oh
• 53:46
  there is also like empathy versus compassion right it's like
• 53:50
  you know these are
• 53:52
  this is my state these are my kind of like emotions and my
• 53:57
  field and this is your
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_02: field i do feel for you but not with you that's yeah right
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_02: I want to take us to the next question,
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_02: just for 10 minutes,
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_02: and then we will do the closure for 10 minutes.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's really related to what Yule has said before,
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_02: when she said,
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_02: yeah,
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_02: I was doing all these things,
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_02: but I still felt the wall between me and the world.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_02: So how can we develop connection?
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_02: And also in the relationship to the last thought that Yulia shared,
• 54:44
  maybe like how can we develop connection and how can we learn
• 54:48
  to regulate this
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_02: connection?
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_02: Can we learn to be connected and disconnected?
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_02: Can it be forced?
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_02: Can it be nurtured?
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_02: So what do we do to learn all this?
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_02: Julia,
• 55:08
  what helped you to feel connected after you felt this wall that
• 55:14
  disconnected you
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_02: from the wall?
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean...
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_02: That took a very intense experience,
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'd say a spiritual experience,
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_02: and I shared it with you,
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_02: right?
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_02: I was at a very, very low point in my life.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_02: Very, very, very low.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_02: I was not sure if I could find the, I don't know, regain love for life.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_02: Let's put it that way.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I was doing various experiments.
• 55:54
  And I was,
• 55:56
  while doing the experiments,
• 55:57
  I was expecting something inside of me to emerge.
• 56:00
  I was like,
• 56:01
  okay,
• 56:02
  now it's like,
• 56:05
  maybe it will grow,
• 56:06
  maybe it will sprout and something.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_02: And then amazingly and very surprisingly,
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_02: actually did emerge, but not from the inside, from the outside.
• 56:21
  And it's as if it was kind of like brought to me or gifted to
• 56:25
  me by the breath,
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_02: but it was the breath of life.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_02: And it was like as if the whole world was giving its love to me.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_02: And this was for me, the experience.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_02: And it's so interesting.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_02: I was thinking about it because I actually,
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_02: all my life,
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_02: I thought I was very well connected to the outside world where
• 56:57
  to nature because i grew up in a village in russia i was but i
• 57:02
  was forced to be in
• 57:05
  like in the fields in the gardens getting my hands dirty
• 57:10
  working barefoot like
• 57:12
  being with dirt all the time and like of course i worked then
• 57:16
  at greenpeace and
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_02: stuff like that and interestingly all that time
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_02: There was always this wall.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_02: Me, I'm so different.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_02: There is no way for us to really exchange, to be equal, I guess.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's how I am explaining it to myself.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm not quite there yet with my explanations.
• 57:42
  So you're saying that you needed some kind of spiritual
• 57:46
  transcendental experience
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_02: that shifted for you this perception of connection to the world.
• 57:52
  very very visceral experience everything i was just like shaken
• 57:57
  by this experience
• 57:58
  like physically shaken by the breath and yeah so for me
• 58:02
  transcendental if it's
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_02: about kind of like like thinking about something it doesn't really
• 58:11
  work so it was um what i i guess becomes what i can integrate
• 58:16
  is only when it's
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_02: very um it's transcendent into your body yeah exactly wait can i make an
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_00: observation is it okay please
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_00: as Yula was sharing,
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_00: there was literally like like a path energetically,
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_00: like when she was more in her head describing stuff and it felt one way.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_00: But then she got to the point of the breath of life piece of the story.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I felt like you actually really connected to it.
• 58:45
  And then there was like so much more softness and actual you
• 58:50
  like I was like,
• 58:50
  oh,
• 58:51
  there she is.
• 58:53
  the eula there she is and then you again went back out of it
• 58:57
  and then back in your
• 58:58
  head and then like i i literally had a different experience
• 59:02
  energetically as you
• 59:03
  were shifting from your head into that space that that that is
• 59:07
  your space of
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_00: connection with the breath of life um was that at all something that also
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_00: registered for you you know in some way or
• 59:15
  I'm like I don't have this perception of this acute perception
• 59:20
  of the energies as
• 59:23
  you do at this time so I'm just yeah I'm enjoying the flow of
• 59:32
  thoughts and you know
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_02: of what's emerging and how it's all connected
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yul, does it resonate what I just described or is it just my experience?
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_02: No,
• 59:48
  probably because I had feedback from quite a few people with
• 59:55
  whom I shared the
• 59:57
  stories that when I started talking to it about it that
• 1:00:03
  something changes and they
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_02: feel it.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, somehow it happened almost a year ago
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_02: And every time that I'm able to connect it as if it happened yesterday.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_02: That is a really cool thing.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_00: Cool.
• 1:00:22
  It's like a time and space that's actually still available for
• 1:00:27
  you in the field
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_00: that you can come back to.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like even though it's in the past, but it's actually not in the past.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's here.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_00: Is that what you're describing?
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's a good way to put it.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_02: Cool.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_02: So, Polina, what do you think, how can we develop connection?
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_02: If we can, can we develop connection?
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, go ahead.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, finish your question.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_02: Just, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_02: Can it be lost?
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_02: Can it be nurtured?
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_02: Or we just need to wait for a miracle to happen?
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, it's all of those as I reflect on my life.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_00: It could be forced.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_00: It could be learned.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_00: It could be lost.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_00: It could be nurtured.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_00: It could be transformed.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_00: It could be evolved.
• 1:01:20
  yeah so i mean i have also had a huge transformation right in
• 1:01:27
  the last year and a
• 1:01:28
  half and i i also had a very very low period of time when i
• 1:01:33
  felt completely
• 1:01:33
  disconnected from myself i felt completely disconnected from
• 1:01:37
  all people in my life
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_00: i felt completely just disconnected from life itself i lost
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: I lost the concept of what is the point of all of this for a bit.
• 1:01:52
  And then through embodiment practices and my connections with
• 1:02:00
  people like Yula and
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_00: a bunch of other things that happened,
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_00: eventually me coming back to the body,
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_00: which I already shared,
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think,
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_00: in another one of our episodes,
• 1:02:14
  nurturing and like growing my connection to my physical body in
• 1:02:19
  a very directive
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_00: and intentional way.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_00: Help me to get connected back to the sensors that are wired for joy and.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: Happiness, I don't like that word, but like something in that direction.
• 1:02:45
  pleasure and you know like the the positive aspect of the
• 1:02:51
  connection that is here
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_00: and my ability to connect to it um
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_00: And the more I practiced those embodiment,
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_00: the practices,
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_00: the more I practiced,
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_00: the more the levels of it grew and changed and evolved.
• 1:03:09
  And it was so it's absolutely a skill that can be learned and
• 1:03:14
  needs to be learned and nurtured.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_00: And and it also needs to be reevaluated at some points,
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_00: because like,
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_00: again,
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_00: for me,
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_00: also meditation used to be all about escaping.
• 1:03:23
  the body and escaping the this time and space and now i'm
• 1:03:27
  actually using the body
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_00: to get deeper into the meditative space in a totally different way um
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_00: And that connection with me,
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_00: like all of me,
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_00: not just like my spiritual me,
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_00: but like all of me,
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_00: the physical body,
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_00: the energetic body,
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_00: all the bodies,
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_00: all the sensations,
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_00: that creates connection to me,
• 1:03:51
  which in turn allows me to tune into the field more and to
• 1:03:55
  other people and be
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_00: connected to other people and the field more.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_00: Because when I am disconnected and dysregulated,
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm scattered.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_00: I cannot even there's no way I could connect to.
• 1:04:06
  I could still connect to the field because I do still have
• 1:04:11
  those abilities,
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_00: but it's not going to be the same type of connection.
• 1:04:16
  And I'm not really going to pick up data in a way that I pick
• 1:04:21
  it up when I'm really
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_00: regulated and connected to me in a regulated way.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then I'm I'm picking up data that's not
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_00: colored by the dysregulation that I'm experiencing.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_00: If that makes sense.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think I will agree with both of you.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_02: I think, first of all, I also see it as a skill that can be trained.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_02: And for me, it actually involves training several skills.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_02: And the primary one for me is really like the training one's attention.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_02: Because this is what we started with.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_02: Being able...
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_02: to direct my attention deliberately is the key for being present.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_02: Because if my attention just goes as it wants, I'm not present.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_02: I am somewhere in my mind.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, for me, training the attention has a lot to do with meditation.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_02: But I hope that...
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_02: One day we talk about meditation in one of the episodes.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_02: I have a lot to say.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_02: But it's not necessarily meditation is not the only tool.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_02: There are other ways,
• 1:05:48
  other practices that would help us to learn to be present and
• 1:05:53
  to pay attention to
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_02: all the different tales of what's available,
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_02: what is included in my experience.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_02: But I think I also agree with Yulia.
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  SPEAKER_02: in the sense that probably at a certain point,
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  a certain kind of this shifting experience is required to show
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  you what kind of
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  SPEAKER_02: connection experience is possible.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm thinking that
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  That experience that I had in India when I was the bird and I
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  was the tree,
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  that was something that I hadn't experienced before and indeed
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  opened me up to the
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  SPEAKER_02: possibility of feeling this connection.
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  SPEAKER_02: So from that moment,
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  I had the possibility of opening up to this kind of experience
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  in other contexts.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_02: And...
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  it is probable that this is something that just emerges at a
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  certain moment.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_02: It just happens.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_02: But again, for that to happen, I think one needs to walk certain steps.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_02: One needs to learn to pay attention and to be present.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_02: And also, I think there is this...
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_03: Like one needs to learn to open up to the experience.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but also the experimentation piece, right?
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_00: That like when you're intentionally saying,
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_00: OK,
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  like when you would have started talking about trees and her
• 1:07:54
  connection with trees,
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  I started getting curious about it and I've never been
• 1:07:58
  intentionally curious about
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_00: it.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_00: And now I'm actually intentionally curious about it,
• 1:08:01
  which means I'm giving myself the opportunity to explore
• 1:08:05
  something that just wasn't
• 1:08:06
  part of my consciousness and put my focus and attention on it
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  and experiment with
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  SPEAKER_00: it and see
• 1:08:15
  whether there are receptors that I have available to me that I
• 1:08:18
  could develop further.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_00: Just like when when Yule and I,
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_00: we were looking at my hand and Yule was telling me,
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_00: oh,
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_00: look at all the different things.
• 1:08:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I was not even used to doing that.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_00: It was like a crazy new thing.
• 1:08:30
  And I even had to work through some negative associations to
• 1:08:34
  even be able to start
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_00: tuning in in a new,
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_00: positive,
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_00: healthy way.
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  with the body right so it is about attention and focus and
• 1:08:43
  where attention goes
• 1:08:44
  energy goes but sometimes it's what you would have described
• 1:08:47
  with the breath of
• 1:08:48
  life it wasn't something that was just going to emerge like
• 1:08:51
  emerge from within her
• 1:08:52
  because she's focusing it was something that came from the from
• 1:08:55
  the space and she
• 1:08:57
  picked it up yeah but i i agree with um either that um like you
• 1:09:03
  have to be
• 1:09:06
  okay somehow to this experience and to me this experience was
• 1:09:10
  possible because um
• 1:09:12
  like the people who organized this event where it was like i
• 1:09:16
  really trusted them um
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_02: i was just like felt so
• 1:09:21
  kind of like safe knowing that they they have my back that
• 1:09:25
  whatever happens for me
• 1:09:26
  well i kind of also was quite connected at that point to go
• 1:09:30
  through um into kind of
• 1:09:32
  like different experiences yeah but um so and actually this is
• 1:09:38
  how i see um myself
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_02: now as someone who if someone is open um i can kind of like
• 1:09:48
  show them the path it's like the rabbit in the um Alice in
• 1:09:54
  Wonderland it's like the
• 1:09:56
  Alice the Wonderland is going to be yours but if you are open I
• 1:10:02
  can I can show you
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_02: the hole through which you can get into the Wonderland kind of like that
• 1:10:11
  Yeah,
• 1:10:12
  in regards to being open,
• 1:10:14
  I want to share a word with you that I invented myself.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_02: I like inventing words.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_02: So the word is attestable, and it means literally ready to connect.
• 1:10:28
  So it describes the state in which every cell of your body is,
• 1:10:34
  you're like,
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's in the pure state that allows the connection to the world.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_02: Say the word.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_03: Edisable.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_02: How do you spell it?
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's... E-T-T-I-S-A-B-L-E.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_03: No, the chat changed it.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_03: It's not right.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, so... The chat is not open to connect.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_02: No, the chat is not accessible, obviously.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_02: So we need to close up.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_02: So let's just briefly...
• 1:11:28
  summarize each one,
• 1:11:31
  summarize what are you taking away from this conversation?
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_03: What are the most important thoughts for you?
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_02: Because from what I have heard,
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_02: really,
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_02: the connection is being present to the experience,
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_02: to what is available at every moment in all 53 senses.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_02: The awareness of all our common senses and beyond to the energy,
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_02: to the flow of light,
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_02: to the flow of events.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't have to be the connection.
• 1:12:26
  to the people relation-wise how we're used to but always it
• 1:12:34
  also may be the case
• 1:12:37
  maybe we may be connected to people from the like on the other
• 1:12:42
  part of the world
• 1:12:43
  and we're not even talking to them on zoom but we still feel
• 1:12:47
  connected if we're
• 1:12:48
  open and if we are like aware of the energies of the experience
• 1:12:54
  of everything what
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_02: is present
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_02: We can be connected to nature,
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_02: we can be connected to objects,
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_02: and we can be connected to the world as something bigger.
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe connected to the greater forces.
• 1:13:13
  Maybe that is the topic that we will need to discuss one day,
• 1:13:16
  the greater forces.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_00: well,
• 1:13:20
  that speaks to what I wanted to say was that this is an ongoing
• 1:13:24
  conversation
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_00: because it's a really big topic.
• 1:13:28
  And I feel like connection in its different various forms is
• 1:13:34
  actually like really
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_00: part of the entire matrix.
• 1:13:37
  I mean,
• 1:13:38
  is it not all about connection and disconnection and for us as
• 1:13:43
  humans?
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_00: So.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's an ongoing,
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_00: not just conversation,
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_00: but also an ongoing experiment about where do we stand with this?
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_00: How do we experience it?
• 1:13:59
  SPEAKER_00: What does it mean?
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_00: How does it change?
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many aspects to it.
• 1:14:04
  And I feel like we just like scratched the very surface of the
• 1:14:08
  topic today.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_02: I agree.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_02: I agree.
• 1:14:11
  I actually come several several questions come to my mind right
• 1:14:16
  now what we might
• 1:14:20
  explore because it also like when you were talking it came to
• 1:14:24
  me that it is
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_02: actually one of the most important topics
• 1:14:29
  nowadays for us as humanity because we need to reevaluate like
• 1:14:37
  what the connection
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_02: is how we're building our relationships like
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_02: what these connections are coming from.
• 1:14:47
  And what is the relationship between the individual and the
• 1:14:52
  collective in this aspect?
• 1:14:53
  Because it may change completely all our perspectives from what
• 1:14:58
  we had had before.
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_02: something maybe that we didn't really discuss,
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_02: but now it's coming up as a recap,
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_02: is that we are a saint,
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_02: like we're porous or interconnected or however you want to put it,
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_02: in very kind of like...
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_02: visceral ways, like really starting from every cell in our body.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_02: And this interconnectedness, it goes somewhere, it's channeled somewhere.
• 1:15:38
  And for many of us today,
• 1:15:41
  I think this interconnectedness is channeled into the digital
• 1:15:46
  world.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_02: And this is to me,
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_02: we didn't go there,
• 1:15:49
  but this is to me and in my own experience that I just like had
• 1:15:54
  three months where
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_02: I was thinking and experiencing a lot related to that.
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like the digital world or is really like a maze and the matrix.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_02: And when you get there,
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_02: your interconnectedness,
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_02: it's like it sucks all your capacity or not all,
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_02: but a lot of your capacity to feel interconnectedness with other people,
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_02: the world around you,
• 1:16:24
  SPEAKER_02: whatever,
• 1:16:24
  SPEAKER_02: like the trees,
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_02: the dogs,
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_02: like sucked it and sucks it into the
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_02: um itself creating this illusion that this is like where you really feel
• 1:16:35
  interconnected and um i think it's like you know really such a
• 1:16:42
  um major major theme
• 1:16:45
  and topic for like a lot of people nowadays well including me
• 1:16:49
  yeah so the dangers
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_02: and the wonders of the digital world
• 1:16:55
  Noted down is one of the possible questions and topics to
• 1:17:00
  explore in the next episode.
• 1:17:03
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• 1:17:09
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• 1:17:16
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• 1:17:24
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• 1:17:29
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• 1:17:31
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