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Replay: The Real Housewives · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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  Speaker 1: Hey tolerators, listens to all the men I've tolerated before
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  Speaker 1: with Nathley Katona, your weekly look at everyday misogyny. Today
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  Speaker 1: is yet another great and fantastic day because one of
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  Speaker 1: my friends, who is a sugar cookie and I keep
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  Speaker 1: trying to convince you to join the book club, is here.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Deressa is one of the hosts of the hysterical
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  Speaker 1: podcasts Fixing Famous People. You can catch my episode where
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  Speaker 1: I believe the words he used were very Oh no,
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  Speaker 1: I had these words scripted out. I was very reasonable
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  Speaker 1: and rational about why Chris Pratt is the face of
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  Speaker 1: white male misogyny. And I was reasonable and rational. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: yes you are, and so make sure to go listen
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  Speaker 1: to that episode and all of the episodes. It's hysterical.
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  Speaker 1: Dominic is hysterical. It's my favorite part of my week.
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  Speaker 1: He is also a producer for Bravo and has worked
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  Speaker 1: with some of my favorite housewives. He is here to
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  Speaker 1: talk about how reality TV reflects our internalized need to
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  Speaker 1: keep up with the Joneses and having older women on TV,
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  Speaker 1: which I think is so exciting about the Housewives.
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  Speaker 2: I also have a third prong to this that I
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  Speaker 2: haven't even prepped you with that I was going to
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  Speaker 2: make a surprise. So I love there, I'll tell you.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, awesome. I think I also have a curve ball
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  Speaker 1: too that I was thinking about in the shower when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to the housewives. But before we get ahead
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  Speaker 1: of ourselves, why don't you introduce yourself to the toleraters
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  Speaker 1: by telling a little bit about your actual background with
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  Speaker 1: television in your career.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, hi everyone, I'm Chris. I am I like at
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  Speaker 2: an AA meeting. I don't know why, I just yesd
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  Speaker 2: that I started in TV in twenty thirteen. It's now
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  Speaker 2: going to be ten years. Actually it's ten years now. Basically, wow,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that. I moved here like before,
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  Speaker 2: It's been ten years that I moved to New York
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  Speaker 2: after college. My first job ever was Iron Chef America's
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  Speaker 2: final season on Food Network. I mean to make things
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  Speaker 2: very short. I basically went from there to doing a
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  Speaker 2: few other Food Network shows. I started as a PA
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  Speaker 2: on season seven of Real Housewives of New York City.
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  Speaker 2: I've worked on shows like Beat Bobby Flay, a show
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  Speaker 2: on Netflix called Snack Versus Chef. I've worked on obviously
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  Speaker 2: the Real Houses of New York City. I've worked on
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  Speaker 2: the Real Housewives of New Jersey. I've worked on Summer House,
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  Speaker 2: The Big Shot with Bethany on what was then HBO Max.
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  Speaker 2: I'm the producer of Bethany's YouTube show, and I'm also
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  Speaker 2: I've also done what other shows have I done? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: My No Orthodox Life on Netflix. I mean I've done
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  Speaker 2: a lot, but Ultimate Girls Trip, Ultimate Girls Trip Us
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  Speaker 2: Season's four and five.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if everyone caught how many times he
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  Speaker 1: said Bethany, but that is my favorite housewife. Yes, Bethany
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  Speaker 1: has always been my favorite housewife. I think I was
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  Speaker 1: really I mean, never tell her of this. I was
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  Speaker 1: really impressionable to strong women when New York Housewives were
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  Speaker 1: a thing and like in their Hayday and Bethany, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she's like that aunt that you go to Christmas every
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  Speaker 1: year and you're really like, I want to be on
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  Speaker 1: board with everything Aunt Bethany says this year, but I
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  Speaker 1: know that there will be at least two things that
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to be like, Oh, I tell
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  Speaker 1: people you're my favorite aunt.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's really funny.
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  Speaker 1: That is really funny. But I've always loved her. I
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  Speaker 1: love her attitude. One of the things that I have
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  Speaker 1: on our outline is the real What fascinates me about
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  Speaker 1: the real Housewives, and it fascinates me every time we
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  Speaker 1: talk about reality TV or anything women are doing in
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  Speaker 1: the public eye is there's a following, there's an audience,
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  Speaker 1: there's a fascination. But when you talk to other people
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  Speaker 1: about housewives, there's never there not never, there's not always
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  Speaker 1: a level of just like respecting what these women are
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  Speaker 1: allowing you to view in their lives. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: we've seen divorces, job changes, companies being built, the amount
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  Speaker 1: of concompanies, companies, death, death, jail time sometimes, and we've
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  Speaker 1: seen it all on Housewives. And I would hope that
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  Speaker 1: this far into the Housewives being a thing, we would
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  Speaker 1: stop just talking about them like they are, in fact
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  Speaker 1: just housewives moving off of some old guy sitting on
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  Speaker 1: a yacht, because I feel like that's been their reputation
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  Speaker 1: when they started out, like who are these ladies?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that was what's funny? Is like in New York
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  Speaker 2: I started in season seven and for the most part,
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  Speaker 2: like none of them were in relationships right like when
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  Speaker 2: I was a PA on season seven, like Bethany was
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  Speaker 2: separated from Jason, Ramona and Mario had split up, Luanne
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  Speaker 2: and the Count were not together, and Luanne had broke
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  Speaker 2: up with Jacques. Sonya was single, Derinda had just come
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  Speaker 2: on and she was single, Heather was married, Kristin Takman
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  Speaker 2: was married, and Carol was single. Yeah, so it's like
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  Speaker 2: other than two of them, like all of them were single.
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  Speaker 2: Whereas now when I work on Real Hostess of New Jersey, like,
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  Speaker 2: the men are such a huge part of the show,
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  Speaker 2: and that took a lot of adjusting where I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't care about what your husband's schedule is, like
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And then it was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I actually no, I need to actually think about what
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  Speaker 2: your husband's schedule is because he's like a huge part
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  Speaker 2: of all of your scenes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're a very family oriented group of housewives.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, But that being said, like a lot of what
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  Speaker 2: I started working on Housewives and a lot of reality
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  Speaker 2: shows was women that were single, that weren't with a man,
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  Speaker 2: that were like trying to figure it all out.
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  Speaker 1: I think Andy recently posted on social media the current
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  Speaker 1: definition of a housewife, since it technically doesn't have to
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  Speaker 1: be a wife anymore and hasn't had to be a
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  Speaker 1: wife in a while.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: I think after some just like word jargon where he
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  Speaker 1: mumbled on about what a definition could be, he's like,
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  Speaker 1: have you looked at a husband before you're a housewife?
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  Speaker 1: Have you met someone's husband housewife?
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  Speaker 2: Wait, that's actually really funny. I did not see that.
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  Speaker 2: Have you looked at a husband before? Right?
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  Speaker 1: Because I like you, I remember those very early days
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  Speaker 1: of Orange County and New York and all of them,
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  Speaker 1: and how I mean when we go back to rewatch
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  Speaker 1: them and you're like, oh, this is really the direction
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  Speaker 1: they thought that this show was going to go in,
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  Speaker 1: and now it's completely like side swiped and turned when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to I think, at least Orange County.
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  Speaker 2: It also was something like they were so young back then,
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  Speaker 2: and like, I mean, this is kind of what we
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  Speaker 2: like originally were talking about. It is like a lot
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  Speaker 2: of these women are fifth or like sixty plus now,
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  Speaker 2: like Ramona's like sixty six years old or sixty seven
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  Speaker 2: I believe, and her birthday is and by the time
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  Speaker 2: this comes out, she might be sixty eight years old,
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  Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean. Like that's another like
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  Speaker 2: Vicky gun Wilson is like in her late.
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  Speaker 1: Sixties and she's never gonna stop working.
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  Speaker 2: And it's no never ever. But but I mean it's
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  Speaker 2: to like broaden it just to like be making fun
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  Speaker 2: of them, but like like to make it into kind
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  Speaker 2: of like what your podcast is about, Like where on
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  Speaker 2: scripted TV? If it's where is there a woman that's
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  Speaker 2: sixty something years old? Other than Grace and Frankie, the
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  Speaker 2: best television Joe to ever ex exist? Like where are
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  Speaker 2: their women in their sixties and seventies? Like having real
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  Speaker 2: like agency over their storylines.
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  Speaker 1: Agency over their storylines. Also just like getting down and
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  Speaker 1: dirty in the dating world. I think that's as you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's my favorite part of the New York Housewives is
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  Speaker 1: that they're always down to party and they're always down
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  Speaker 1: to get like some strange if that's what their mood is. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: And even when Grayson Crankie would have romantic subplots, and
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  Speaker 1: I agree, Grayson Pranky is brilliant television. And I have
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  Speaker 1: recently told people that the reason I need the writers
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  Speaker 1: strike to end is because I don't like the idea
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  Speaker 1: of Jane Fonda in the heat for that long. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: someone get Jane Fonda.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, and you know she's going to be out there
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  Speaker 2: like she's not going to go inside.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, get her a bottle of water
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  Speaker 1: and an umbrella. She can't just be out there in
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  Speaker 1: the oppressive heat. But the even when they were very
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  Speaker 1: tame storylines, even when they were making vibrators for older women,
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  Speaker 1: which was also revolutionary and they should have done it
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  Speaker 1: for that, And just like that episode where they had vibrators,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, where's the Grayson Frankie one.
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  Speaker 2: I can't even like, do not allow us to go
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  Speaker 2: into an ingust like that tangent because it'll never stop
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  Speaker 2: and I can't but yes, correct, like Grayson Frankly did
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  Speaker 2: it already, like the Widow Summit. I'm sorry, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: into it. I can't dive to back one. I will
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  Speaker 2: never stop. But like for yeah, the reason I'm saying
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  Speaker 2: this is because like, where on scripted TV are these
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  Speaker 2: women represented with a in a main in an a story.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah capacity nowhere like name one role. I mean outside
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  Speaker 2: of again, Grayson Frankie separated from this.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think Golden Girls is still syndicated and
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  Speaker 1: you can stream it, but.
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  Speaker 2: But they were like fifty they weren't even like they're
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  Speaker 2: way older than them.
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  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, I always that meme that gets passed around
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  Speaker 1: where it's like these, this is the cast of New
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  Speaker 1: York Housewise, and this is what the Golden Girls looks
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  Speaker 1: like at that time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the thing about it for me is in
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  Speaker 1: my world and in my life, the older women in
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  Speaker 1: my family are my favorite people to hang out with
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  Speaker 1: because and it happened to me as soon as I
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  Speaker 1: third turn thirty, I was like, I no longer have
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  Speaker 1: one fuck to give about anything that I could be doing,
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  Speaker 1: or my reputation or what anyone might decide for me.
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  Speaker 1: And those were always that was a big lead from
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  Speaker 1: my aunt's, my mother, my great aunts, my grandmother, just
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  Speaker 1: that like I'm going to do it my way attitude.
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  Speaker 1: And we don't also see a lot of that on
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  Speaker 1: television anymore. I just finished like a whole season of
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  Speaker 1: Sweet Magnolias. Those women never take charge of their own destiny.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I wish I could comment, but I have
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  Speaker 2: not seen it, but like, no, it's it's it really
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  Speaker 2: is that thing. It's like, think of how many podcasts
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  Speaker 2: listen to the like female actors that are like every
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  Speaker 2: role I always get is like me being someone's wife,
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  Speaker 2: Like do you know what I mean? Like I'm the
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  Speaker 2: main hearacters that like rubs lotion on their elbows and
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  Speaker 2: like talks to them in the bedroom before they go
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  Speaker 2: to bed, and like that's what the role is. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and even these women and that the thing is like
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  Speaker 2: these a lot of these women back in the day,
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  Speaker 2: Like I think about it, like Vicky was married to Dawn,
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  Speaker 2: Like Momono was married to Mario, Like who else Gretchen
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  Speaker 2: I mean not Gretchen. Tamra was married to Simon. Like
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  Speaker 2: they all had these people that were like the men
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  Speaker 2: in their lives and they were like I need to
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  Speaker 2: get out from under you. I need to like go
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  Speaker 2: be my own person. And like I'm actually the one
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  Speaker 2: that's like running the whole ship. Why are you the
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  Speaker 2: person that looks like they're the head of the household.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing about that point is I think that's
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  Speaker 1: what housewives get the most made fun of about. When
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  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I can't believe she's started his skin line.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, she wants to start her skin line because.
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  Speaker 2: To leave her husband, to leave her husband, yes.
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  Speaker 1: And it might not even be that she's actively leaving
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  Speaker 1: her husband, but in the back of her mind she
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  Speaker 1: probably thinks, oh, I need my own money. I will
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  Speaker 1: one day have to leave him. Probably well, and how.
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  Speaker 2: Many I mean back, think about it. If you're fifty
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  Speaker 2: something now, when you got married at like twenty one,
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  Speaker 2: that was thirty years ago, you weren't thinking that, Like,
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  Speaker 2: no one was telling you to have your own money.
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  Speaker 2: They were saying, like, make sure that your relationship is
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  Speaker 2: good so that you can continue to have money. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And so it's like a lot of the it's it's
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  Speaker 2: things that like thirty ye old women are doing now
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  Speaker 2: that like these women at sixty are like finally realizing
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  Speaker 2: they need to do, which I think is compelling.
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  Speaker 1: It is compelling. It's and because you've entered my life
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  Speaker 1: as a very good friend, I have re well and scandable.
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  Speaker 1: I've re immersed myself in Bravo. A lot of my
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  Speaker 1: day is spent listening to Bravo just as I walk
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  Speaker 1: around my house. And to look at it as a
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  Speaker 1: thirty five year old woman who has a podcast about misogyny,
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  Speaker 1: who desperately wants women to be able to stick up
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  Speaker 1: for themselves, and for the Barbie movie to be made real.
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  Speaker 1: I I'm like, oh, they were doing it the entire time,
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  Speaker 1: and we all laughed at them and called them shrewd.
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  Speaker 2: Well And like now the person that will be the
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  Speaker 2: critic of this will say, well, all they do is fight,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what the show is, and that like brings
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  Speaker 2: you know, feminism back nine hundred million years. And to them,
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  Speaker 2: I say, this is my third prong slash curveball as
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  Speaker 2: you put it. The Real Housewives in many other reality
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  Speaker 2: television shows is conflict resolution porn. We make people confront
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  Speaker 2: their problems m ones that people walking around every day
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  Speaker 2: wish that they could do. They wish they could say,
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  Speaker 2: my sister in law is a fucking cunt. Am I
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  Speaker 2: on this podcast? Ye? Always my sister in law is
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  Speaker 2: a fucking cunt, And I wish that I could tell
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  Speaker 2: her to her face, yeah, and tell her why.
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  Speaker 1: My sister just sent me a TikTok And it was
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  Speaker 1: a woman. It was just one of those sterian too
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  Speaker 1: be this with text over their face and it was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so tired of arguing with people with women who
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  Speaker 1: did not grow up with a sister. Yes, I called
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  Speaker 1: you a dirty bitch and that you would die a slut,
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  Speaker 1: but I was angry, And what do you mean you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to go get ice cream?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I want to hit you with my car,
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  Speaker 2: But like, like that wasn't I didn't mean that. Yeah right, I.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't mean that. I may have thrown a DVD case
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  Speaker 1: at your head, but that was forty five minutes ago.
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  Speaker 1: I thought we had moved past it.
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  Speaker 2: No, But but this is I say this to mean
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  Speaker 2: like you wanted to say, Oh, my friend who's insufferable
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  Speaker 2: that won't stop being annoying and is like really being
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  Speaker 2: really annoyed to me instead of me like not talking
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  Speaker 2: to her anymore and her never understanding why. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: actually sit down with her and tell her why she's
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  Speaker 2: being the way that why this is affecting me in
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  Speaker 2: the following ways, and like she's then gonna have to
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  Speaker 2: respond to that, and we're gonna have to work through it,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to see each other again because we
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  Speaker 2: are on the same tele vision, so we have to
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  Speaker 2: rectify this for the greater good.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I think the opposite end of that conversation
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  Speaker 1: is important too, because we need models of people to
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  Speaker 1: be like I feel like you're being insufferable or not
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  Speaker 1: taking my allergies into consideration when you make the cheese
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  Speaker 1: plate or any of it. Yes, and you, and then
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  Speaker 1: we also get to watch the other person on the
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  Speaker 1: other side of that struggle with it and then.
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  Speaker 2: Even receive feedback.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I don't know how many friends you've given
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  Speaker 1: feedback too, but I can tell you that ghosting is
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  Speaker 1: usually less emotional labor for me because people aren't I
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  Speaker 1: mean myself included, people aren't good at receiving feedback.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, correct, And it's because they don't get it often.
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  Speaker 1: And it's because we've been told it's just nicer to
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  Speaker 1: make nice, like if you're going to spend this time
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  Speaker 1: with your and why ruin it by being like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this happened to me when I was in high school.
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  Speaker 1: Of all places, we used to go to the Six
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  Speaker 1: Flags a lot because what else are you going to do?
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  Speaker 1: And I get dehydrated and I get dehydration migraines really easily.
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  Speaker 1: So whenever I'm at an amusement park, I know that
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  Speaker 1: there's going to be about an hour that I have
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  Speaker 1: to take a break. Well, have you ever been on
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  Speaker 1: vacation with people who need the entire group to do
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  Speaker 1: the exact same thing every moment of the least my
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  Speaker 1: least favorite thing a million times. Huh uh huh. Because
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  Speaker 1: I'm seventeen years old, I can sit on a park
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  Speaker 1: bench while you ride the Monster fifteen times, Like I'll
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  Speaker 1: be chill.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be right here when you get back.
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  Speaker 1: There's probably a book in my purse, like I'll probably
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  Speaker 1: make a friend, It'll be okay.
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  Speaker 2: And like I need to sit down, so like I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna I like I medically need to do that, do
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? It's like like common safety,
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  Speaker 2: I need to do that.
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  Speaker 1: So this is still so I'm seventeen. I still have
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  Speaker 1: all of the internalized misogyny and people pleasing to me.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, I guess I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: ride four more roller coasters and then we'll go home.
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  Speaker 1: And I eventually get nauseous and my friend's boyfriend is like,
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  Speaker 1: namally has to sit in the front seat, and my
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: friend is like, why does she have to sit in
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  Speaker 1: the front seat. I'm your girlfriend. I should be in
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  Speaker 1: the front seat with you. And he's like, because she's dying.
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  Speaker 1: She's going to die, Like I just need to get
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  Speaker 1: her where the ear is on her and things can
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  Speaker 1: blow on her and you've literally tried to murder your
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: friend today. She did not receive that. Well, he's like
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: she told you fifteen times, like I'm going to get nauseous,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: I am going to pass out, I am going to
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: get dehydrated. And my friend at the time, in her
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: head it was all about, well, I plan and this
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: happens on my house lives too.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: I plan something so nice for us. Yeah, I want
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: to be the busiest scene you could ever do. Is
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: like just be mad that everyone's be mad that no
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: one is like taking being respectful of you.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I knew the best sheet. I believe it's
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Dorinda who's always like I cleaned my house, I invited
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: you to my house. I had really expensive wine, and
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: you want to go home early. Yeah, And I think
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: it's so important to watch women do that. The Queer
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Ultimatum those first few episodes before everyone got really toxic
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: and angry at one another, when they would just have
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: disagreements in their own partnership and they feel like, well,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: you know, I just remember a couple of weeks ago
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: you were feeling like this and everything was really even
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: healed and okay, I was like, is this what communication
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: could be like?
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: And like it's also a thing where it's like you
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: can just like never say anything and then just like
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: secretly hate that person forever. And that's like not the
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: point of this, like the point a lot of people
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: that go on. As many times as people are like
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: reality TV ruined my life. There's so many people that
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: are like reality TV saved my life because you forced
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: me to confront all of my problems, do you know
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: what I mean? They're like my marriage was crumbling and
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I wasn't dealing with it, and so I just like
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: like let it do that. I was just like a
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: drift or I you know what I mean, Like my
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: kid needed blank like in blank, and I wasn't seeing that.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: And so because we were doing like, you know, scenes
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: with my child, I was like they were pushed to
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: tell me that they needed blank like in blank. Like
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: there's many and not to say that I'm like the
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: fucking savior of the world, because I'm not, but like
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: there's it is a thing where you are you are
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: pushed to confront the problems that you.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Have in your life well because you also and I
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: think this is where every bachelor relationship falls apart. You
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: also at some point sit down with your family and
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: loved ones and watch the season that you took part.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Of and then talk about it afterwards, like you basically
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: have therapy.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Right, And so many people have sat on a final
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Rose and said, so, I thought that the edit would
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: just be me and Ken and our love story, and
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: the world would get to watch him fall in love
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: with me every week, And yet I had to watch
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: that bastard make out with four women at once in
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: a hot tub. And then yeah, but here's.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: The thing with that, I it drives me. Oh, sorry,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: you were saying.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Something and I can believe it, but also but then
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: also have to explain that to Grandma, like to be like,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: there's Ken.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: It's it's the Bachelor. Drives me up a wall because
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: it's like the every person that goes on it acts
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: like they had no idea what they were getting too.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: And there's been what thirty some seasons of the show,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: so like you have zero excuse to think why, like
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: you have no reason to believe, like, oh, I didn't
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: think they were gonna edit me this day. I what
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: like like I don't understand and not that like there
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: isn't like stuff happening. Let's never forget like all the
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: like weird lawsuits that happened a couple of years ago.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: But like like let me not you know what I mean?
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Like Unreal was based on something.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and we know that I could have lost
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: just Unreal in.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Seventeen seasons of it. Seventeen seasons of it. I'm furious that. Well,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: that's why because it's like we were the two viewers
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: of the show. We were no one else watched it
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: other than us, but like would watch it for I
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: would still be watching it right now. But like that
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: being said, it's like yes, but like do your research
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: mm hmm, come correct. And that's what happens when you
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: have twenty two year olds or nineteen year olds on
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: a reality show, is that you have deer in headlights.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Guess what you don't have whenever you have a fifty
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: seven year old woman coming on TV for the first time,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: not someone that's a deer in headlights?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Well, didn't you wasn't didn't a housewife just come out
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: and say because she got deemed for something or saying
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: something but acting another way towards a lady during the
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: season or whatever. And she goes, I hope you all well.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: And Sheena's currently going through this with the new season
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of vander Pump Rules being filmed, because she's been photographed
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: with Sandoval a couple of times, and she's like, I
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: so you know that this is my job. They pay
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: me to show up where he is.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Well, that's where that that's the thing that's funny. And
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: I've told you to. Some kinds were like, I don't
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: know where the show goes from here, because if they're not,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: if Tom Sandoval isn't a part of the.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Show, like there's no story right unless.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: As much as I know he's thinking a reviled like
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: villain of the world, but like he is the only
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: reason the show hasn't sid do you know what I mean?
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Like that? If not for that, what are they talking about? Nothing?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: And Reality TV super fan Annie Seek, who has been
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: on the show numerous times to talk about whatever we
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: want to talk about Reality TV scanned of all being
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: one we mapped out the whole next season. I was like,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: they will make Schwartz and probably try to bully Sheena
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: into being friends with Sandoval again because someone will have
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: to speak to him. It's not like that one weird
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: season where no one spoke to Brock, but no one
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: really had their heart set on seeing Brock on TV,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: so they could kind of just have him in the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: background of a scene and be like, oh, yeah, Sheena
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: is still married to him, good for her.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's sorry. We're getting off course now though,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: But I don't know, And like, yes, are there moments
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: that are bad? Yes? Yes. Are there moments where it's
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: cringe worthy? Yes? Yes. Are there things where it's like, oh,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: that's very like low blow or like that's you know
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Does it get dirty? Yes? However, they
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: at least have a platform to do to exist on
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: guess what you know? And up until this Golden Bachelor, Like,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: why do you think they're having the Golden Bachelor because
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: housewives are sixty years old?
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they all should have been a contesta. And
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I'm mad that not.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: One of them is. I know, I don't think. Yeah,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I know, it's like that's upsetting. But and but again,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: where are the what other role do you have that
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: is like a three dimensional character other than Grayson Frankie
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: that are like women of a certain age, And the
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: reason that the whole thing is called Housewives is because
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: of Desperate Housewives, which I remember we like fucking ate
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: up like it was a Sunday dinner, you know what
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I mean. But like that was one show. Uh, that
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: was one show that happened like that, and then it
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: was to Never, which became the biggest show on television
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: by the way, So you'd think that they would try
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: to make more like it, but instead it was like
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: that was the one fluke show that they had and
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: then never to be heard from ever again.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: And I think when it comes to well that was
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: cringe or that was a misstep or she was rude,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, it's reality TV. There are days
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I say something and I'm like, oh, that was cringey.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: That wasn't great on my part, but that's what we're watching.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: And then you get mad if it's two scripted, because
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: some of them have really like come up with their
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: own scripts in their head before they're filming. But and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: you see that happen and you're like, well, why is
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: she on the show? Everything she says sounds played out,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and it's like, well, because every time one of these
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: women has a real moment and is like you know what,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I just really wanted to tell Sally Sue to fuck off,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and I did because I was so sick of hearing
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: her mouth. Then you're also mad at her because she's
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: a bully.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's very This is so a
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: cliche to say that it's like women living out loud.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Like it's not a woman like like it
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: really is the thing of like, it's not a woman
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: that's like in polite society that's like, you know, like
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: just not going to say anything and not going to
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: do this and not going to do that. No, they're
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: women that are like letting their emotions be known and
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: making sure that they're not just like letting everyone you
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, being like the gatekeeper of everyone's
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: like pain and like being like I'm going to keep
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: everything together so that everyone else can be No. They
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: want to be able to say like, no, what what
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: you did was really wrong and it really hurt me,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: and I can't believe you did that, yeah, and not
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: just like being rolling over. Because they're a woman of
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: a certain age.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: In America, and because I am from such a big
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: family on my mom's side of the family, we also
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: had to go through episodes like that we're at a wedding.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Someone told you that you look like a motherfucking temp
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: at the wedding, and then that guy told you that
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: it's a good thing. He wasn't from being your wife
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: because they need fucking starve because she's so ugly and
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: oh my.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: God, I'm a dead true awesome housewives that's ready for housewives.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I know, make my family a TV show. But then
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: also just like hug one another at the end of
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: the night and be like, hey, I'll see you at
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: the kiddo's baptism next week because you're gonna have to
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: see one another at the next family event.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing, and like there is That's
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: the other part of it is that it's like is
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: then you see eventually there's times when there's not resolution,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: when it's like, no, this has now gone too far
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: and I can't do this anymore.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: But it's again, I think it's it's conflicts resolution porn
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: because we don't know how to resolve conflicts or do them.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I don't think we do. I really as a society,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: as in a society, we don't do anything until it's
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: time for us to then like jump on the hood
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: of someone's car and go crazy because we've lost.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Our minds, right, it has to be a snapped episode
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: or a future Netflix documentary or nothing.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Part of the reason why the housewives because when I
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: text you about them, I call them my aunties. I'm like,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: we'll tell my auntie Durchha that I really loved this
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: because they feel so much like home. Because when you
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: are a part of a huge Croatian family, you are
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: always screaming at one another, and you're always screaming for
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the spotlight or the attention, or you're all telling stories
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: in the round like a Greek chorus. So to me,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, I may not have the
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: best skills in conflict resolution because sarcasm can get a
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: little toxic, or people aren't used to screaming or loud
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: people or loud women. But I did grow up with
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of female role models who will would tell
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: dudes either fucking step off of me right now because
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: it's about to get ugly, and it'll get ugly in
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: front of all of your friends. And I've been that
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: woman to be like, uh uh, think about what you
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: said before I embarrass you in front of all of
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: your brother and to be a person with that kind
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: of attitude. Walking in not Bravo land, you get a
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: lot of like deer in the headlights.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Or like whoa, like calm down, like oh my god, yeah,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: like right, I'm sure right.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: You're so irrational. And I'm like, well, this is why
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: they won't put me on the Bachelor, because could you
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: imagine I'd be that lady be like you guys don't
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: see the aliens in the sky. Yeah, and the housewives
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: do you give us? I love what you said about
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: their women living out loud because so much we get
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the messaging of we'll just concealed, don't feel like, yeah,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: write it in your diary when you get home and
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: scream into a pillow.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Well, and also, I mean there's a whole other factor
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: of two of like once you hit a certain age
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: and you have like men with wrinkles are hot, like
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: even most of our society would agree on that, whereas
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: women with wrinkles in America still are seen as old
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: and on a track day.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you and I've told you that this
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: is the most iconic thing about the New York housewise
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: is they would film into three o'clock, four o'clock in
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: the morning, clean faced in some sort of nighty mismatch
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: pagmo situation. Yeah, falling down because maybe they're drunk leu
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Anne has fallen into countless shrubbery. And when's the last
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: time you saw a woman on television who was of
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: a certain age without makeup?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah? You know what I mean. And that's the other
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: part too, is like there were times when I'd be
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: on those shows and I'd be like, all right, so
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: like just be like whatever, like you know, we're just
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: coming over for casual, and then they would be like
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: completely made up, and I was like, no, no, no, no, no,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Like you have like three pounds of like lip gloss on,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Like I need you to look you need to look
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: like you just woke like you're like waking up. Do
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? This is it's like nine
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: am in the morning, and it should look like it's
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: not like I don't know why you woke up. It's
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: five am to get four hour hair and makeup. Like
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I wanted you to just be grown out of your dad,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Like I want it to be real, you know what
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I mean. That's the thing that everyone thinks that we
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: want to like script everything and make everything be fake,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: and it's like no, I actually like am fighting with
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: people all the time to make it not scripted and
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: to make it be real and raw, do you know
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: what I mean? It's like that's what we strive for.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: And so there were times when I would like there
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: be I would be on other shows and I would
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: be like, listen, I've worked on tests with the women
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: will get plastered or like they even if like they
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: were out all night and so they wake up in
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: the morning and they just don't even fix their hair
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and they walked down stairs for breakfast and put a
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: mic on and eat breakfast and they look like they
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: put their hand in a light socket, do you know
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: what I mean? And like that, But that's what they
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: would do if they were on vacation. So that's what
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: it looks like.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: And their head is pressed against the glass patio.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, yes, do you know what I mean? Like that?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Like there's a like where do you see that ever
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: anywhere else?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Definitely not on the Bachelor. On a Bachelor, you have
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: to work until five o'clock in the morning and chuck
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: champagne and then wake up at a because you're you're like,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: if I don't do my hair, he'll never pick.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Me, well, not even that, but like there we're not
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: even talking about the same people because it's like you
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: would never they would never be on the Bachelor because
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: they're like old hags, Like as far as society is concerned.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: That's I think. The other thing is like women, these
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: women are like there is a pressure for them to
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: look good because they're on Housewives and they're gonna, you know,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: they need to look good. But it's like a thing
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: where you're actually seeing women in a dress that ten
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: years ago would be inappropriate for them to wear because
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: of their age looking great, looking amazing, like being able
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: to like look really pretty and still be older and
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: that not being like look at this desperate cougar. Do
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like remember that? Remember, like
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: do we even use that term anymore? Remember when that
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: was a term? Like they were women that had were
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: in charge of their sexuality and wanted to be with
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: someone that was like not have a rechtop dysfunction because
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: they're the same age, like was branded as like us,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: like basically.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Satan like a predator.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: I think about that, Yes, a predator. That's a great yes,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: think about that for a second. If we want to
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: really get into it.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I do think that Luiyan and Sonya should have their
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: own bachelor or Oldmaingum or perfect match type of I
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: think Bravover should do a perfect match situation with Louiyne
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: and Sonya at the at the head and they call
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: it like the Cougar Dead.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Well, back in the day, whenever Carol was like with
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Adam and like where man got in a big fight,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: lew An wanted to like do a show that was
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: She was like, I'm going to do a show, and
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I wanted to be like, I'm going to match like
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: women up, like women my age up with like younger men,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: and it's going to be called like the cougar matchup
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: or I don't remember what the tit, but like she
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: basically went to be like, oh, since I match up
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Carol and Adam, I want to like match up like
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: women our age and then like twenty five year olds,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: which I which again she could just do today. I
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: think it'd be great, And I like enough for nothing.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I like women. I like watching women in their fifties
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: going on a fucking date. I do too, because like
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I think it's so interesting. It's like I want to
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: go back in time and slap my twenty four year
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: old self for everything I said on a first date.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like if you don't think that,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: then you have a pro like you're there's something wrong
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: with you in my opinion.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: M or just getting up and leaving it because the
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: first date is so bad, like calling it after fifteen
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: minutes to be like Okay, I gotta.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Go, like I actually have to leave by like I'm
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I just got so busy, like I have to go.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: But like these women, like imagine being fifty years old
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: and going on a first date and knowing exactly what
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: you wanted and like being and like and just if
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: you want to take someone for who they are, Yeah
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it is so repre Maybe that's why I'm
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: really bad at dating because I've only watched the house
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Whils do it and be like that's success. You just
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: go like this is baby, which.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Ps, it isn't because they never end up like staying
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: with anyone I know.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: And I'm like wait and I'm like, yeah, you just
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: get like your cocktail and you're like, what do you
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: mean you don't like it that I have crystals? This
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: is who I am baby, and then you like are like,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I can't believe you didn't call me back.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: And there and there's multiple things like to get into
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: kind of like the wish fulfillment of it all. Sorry,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: am I like steering this and you're like yeah, And
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: to get into like the wish fulfillment of it all,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I mean the other thing that we want to I mean,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: what else we want to say about, like their age
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: before we go into like keeping up at the Joneses.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I think we're pretty good on the age, So let's
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: go ahead and move into the wish fulfillment because there
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: is like there is a big capitalism part of that,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: because it just seems in that everything. So we do
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: watch the housewives get to go on all of these
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: trips and buy and have someone go into their closet
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and try on their very nice pantsuit, and then people
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: not go why that was a huge deal. Don't do that? Like, yeah,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: do not just put on other people's clothes? Just I
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: don't it.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: The wish fulfillment of it is also interesting because there's
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: like I.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Think that's something that's really interesting about the wish fulfillment
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: is that And again, I am very rational when it
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: comes to things like capitalism and the economy and the
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: idea that money is real. But what people so I
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: understand is that rich people also have this idea of
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: having to keep up with the Joneses and there it's
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: not that the households are competing with us to make
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: us believe that they're well off in fancy. They know
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: that we think that they're well off in fancy. They're
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: trying to do it with one another. And I think
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: that should be an equalizer because it's like, at the
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: end of the day, everyone does that no matter where
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: you are on the economical line, Like at some point
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: you are like, well, if they're getting that level of
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: seats at Stevie Nicks, I'm going three rows ahead because
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I can like and taking photos to stunt.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: It's there's a part of it where it's well. And
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: that's the thing that's really funny too, is I think
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: that like there is a big there's a very big
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: difference between people like housewives that have had money for
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: a long time and the housewives that have money now
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: because they're.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: On the Housewives mm hmm.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: And like in just reality starts just people in general,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: people with like like old money and new money, is real,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: like it really is. Yeah, and being able to see
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: some people that are like really like, oh, I grew
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: up with this money. It's very like different from the
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: people that are then like label label label label label
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: label label label label label label, label label, and it's
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: very oh I remember what I wanted to say. And
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: it's it's very interesting because so many people that like
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of the the again, the older women that
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I've worked with and reality television, You'll be going through
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: their closets and they're like, oh, here's this, Like here's
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: this like Poocy dress that I have from like you
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: weren't even alive yet when this. I bought this, and
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I was like and I'm like this is stunning and
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: beautiful and they're like, yeah, it's just bo whatever, you
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. And you're like that you can't
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: buy do you know what I mean to be like,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: I've owned this my whole life and it's like vintage
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: and real and like you've never you know what I mean,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Like you've never like it wasn't you couldn't buy the
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: snaff you tried, Like that kind of shit is like
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: the real flex, which I love.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there when You're like that should be
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: in a museum. Yes, still need it to something.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Yes. And the one thing that I will say is that,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: like a few things that I have learned from the housewives.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: One time when Durana it was one of the it
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: was one of the gallery shoots, which is like basically
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: whenever they turn around in their name and you see
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: their name, like the like Quita said, the thing is
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: like the most spoofed of all the housewives whatever. It's
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: like it'd be like Natalie and you'd be like you
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: spinning around and like looking into the camera and smiling.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: We were doing those shoots and it's like a green
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: screen and there's like a lot of like hair and
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: makeup and the dresses need to be approved, and it's
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: like it's a big it is like more intensive, just
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: like an interview where we're just like whear whatever and
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: like we like this okay. And so we were doing
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: that in some one walked in and she I think
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: it was Dirinda if I remember this correctly, Dirinda walked
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: in and they went and like someone was like, oh
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: my god, Durnda, this is so beautiful, like look at
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: this jewelry, and she's like, oh yeah, this is like
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: my old like I brought I actually brought out like
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: my real diamonds, like ah, and then they were like
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: oh my god, like I would kill to like have this,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: and and Durinda looked at the person it was like
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: we all go to bed naked, like you know what
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I mean? And she just like it like kind of
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: like yes, it's all great and yes this is beautiful,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: but like a thing where it's like this doesn't make
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: me any better than you because I have like an
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: afford diamonds or not, do you know what I mean,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: like like like it all comes out or something. It
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: was I think it was we all go to bed naked,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean. It was like like yes,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: it's all closed, and yes I have the money to
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: do this, but like I'm still a person, just like
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: you are a person.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: And like, well, oh my gosh, I do love Diorinda.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Like that makes me all warm and doing and being
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: like see, I knew Diorinda had a good soul. But
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: it also does make me think of a recent New
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: York saye because I walked, because there are people who
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: really do care about the status of it all, yes,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: and that never loves to come out more than when
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: they have to pick rooms and the Airbnb for the
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: trip and ps.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: If you're worried about status and that kind of thing,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: it's because you don't.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Have any mm hmm. So so all I could think
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: about is that Carol and Bethanie came up with a
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: will we'll draft. We're all going to pick a number
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: and we'll number one gets to pick first, number two
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: get and it's the ultimate equalizer. We're taking out all
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: of the bullshit. And they all agree to do it,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and then the moment that someone gets number seven, they're like,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: fuck this, I'm gonna get the worst room with no view,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: with no staff insight and I need my sleepy time tea.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: And guess what. Like the rooms, like we work them
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: to the bone, like the roof. That's something it's so funny,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: is like the room that they're never in their room,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I know, and like but like it's I mean, it
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: is the thing where it's like how are we going
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: to pick them? That's always a question, Like we always
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: discuss it, like how do you pick the rooms? Like
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: it's always like a thing that like because it needs
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: to be clean, like it can't be like we assign
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: them rooms like do you know what I mean? It
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: needs to be and it could.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Be six hours of the trip because some of them
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: will argue that point to add nauseum. And it happens
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: every year on Summerhouse too, they run the same goddamn
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: house and they're like, I want the top floor room now.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Well in their show, I feel like they live in
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: those rooms so much more and they're there for like weeks,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: so I think that's like way more. But like it is,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: there is this thing of keeping up with the Joneses.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: But then there is something where like I don't know
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: and I've been doing this in my own personal wardrobe
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: is like not chasing the trends anymore. Like no, I've
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: always had like a whether it has changed or not.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I feel that I've always had a very strong conviction
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: when it comes to my own personal style, like when
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I like something, I like it, and when I don't,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I don't And I know what I like and I
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: know when I don't like. But really trying to go
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: from being like I need to have like a new thing,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: or I need to be able to takeing tags off something,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: or I need to be like everyone's wearing this, so
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I need to be wearing this. I've like so rejected
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: that and like divorced it completely and have just started
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: wearing what I want to wear. I love that, and
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: that like will always keep you from having to like
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: be keeping up with the Joneses, because like me, like
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: one time I was working in an office in Brooklyn
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: and it was I was working on shows and one
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: of the editors was like I was like getting my
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: launch out of like the fridge or something. I don't know.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: I was like in the kitchen for some reason, back
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: when we all worked in offices and like literally that
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: like far off away fever dream that we don't do anymore.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I remember an editor coming to me and she was like,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I just need to tell you that you have like
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: such a unique personal style and like I've never seen
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: anyone dress the way that you do, and like it's
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: just very interesting and like I really like it. And
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I was like, absolute, it's the nicest thing anyone has
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: ever said to me, you know what I mean. I
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: was like ex floored and was like I don't need
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: to like work anymore today, Like buy, I'm leaving, Like
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: this is like amazing, Like I'm so much better than
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: every single person year because this person just said this
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: to me. But like that being said, it was like
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: one of those things where I was like, oh, this
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: is like, like that feels great, versus being like I
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: spent two thousand dollars on this outfit, Like can't you
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: tell by the fact that it says Burberry all over it?
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Like or that there's Fendy F's upside down and forward
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: like everywhere? You know what I mean?
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Yes? No, because if I could live every day in
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: a costume that reflected what I was doing that day.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: I love themed outfits. So this being the summer of
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: like Eras tour outfits and the Barbie movie outfits and
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: us getting to just like dress up and real time.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I've been doing this for years and people
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: have been making fun of me, and now women are
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: stapping me on the streets to be like, you look
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: just like Barbie. You look fucking perfect. And I'm like,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it in my calendar and Google's gonna
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: remind me once a year that I'm better than everybody.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Well that way, do you know that this is really
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: embarrassing thing? And you can leave it in But I
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: have a folder on my computer that is screenshots of
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: really nice texts that people have sent me or like emails,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: and then I just keep it and sometimes that I
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: need to pick me up. I look at them.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: We all do that.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I was just the Beyonce concert. Yeah, she ran, and
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about this while I was getting ready,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: and I was thinking, like, whereas everyone is like buying
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: new things and I need to have an off that
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I need to do this, And I was like, no,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not doing this. I am not buying a shirt.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not buying something just to wear to a concert
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: that I'm probably never gonna wear ever again, do you
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, I was like, I'm not
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: doing this anymore. I was like, I have my own clothing.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: I wore everything I already had in my closet. I
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: like wore what I wore, and there's something about it
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: that was so liberating of not being any same thing
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: for the Barbie movie. We went to the Barbie movie
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: for my friends like bachelorette party. Basically she got eloped.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: So it was like a wife flarette, which I don't
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: think is a real thing, but like she bought it,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: but like it was measure like her bachelrett party we
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: went to see the Barbie movie and everyone dressed in
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: pink about me because I don't have anything that's pink,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm not buying a pink T
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: shirt just to go to this movie. I'm gonna wear
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: the clothes. I wore a Spice Girl's T shirt. If
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: that's not acceptable, I don't know what is. But like
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: I wore everything I already owned and was like, this
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: is my version of what I'm wearing to Barbie. So
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: like everyone can fuck off, and I'm not gonna like
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: wear the new like I'm not buying something from Sheen
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: or like fucking like whatever the fuck else Aesos or
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: like all the you know what I mean. I'm not
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: buying like a piece of clothing that will light on
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: fire in point five seconds if I look at a
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: flame to like wear one time to the Barbie movie
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: and then throw in the garbage. I'm not doing it.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: And I was the first person to tell you. But
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: your CAUs plain is Ken. You already look like Ken
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: in the movie. Yes you will be so surprised. Yes,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: but you did put dress up for the movie. You
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: just didn't think you were. And I do think that
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: our fascination with fast fashion and looking good for things
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: that I bought into this summer, even though I knew
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: if I actually took the fifteen minutes to look through
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: my closet, I'd have the perfect tailor swift. Yeah, I'd
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: have the perfect tailor swift outfit. But I want a
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: reason to feel.
• 45:30
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• 45:33
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• 45:34
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• 45:37
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• 45:40
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• 45:43
  Speaker 2: but not mad enough to change your plan to take
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: off from work the day wicket comes out?
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  Speaker 2: And you know, the other thing is like is I know,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I know we're like jumping all over the place, but
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: like even like taking care of your and this is
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: like not about housemars, you're not, but like taking care
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: of your clothing and not in buying something that and
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: I know that this is like what every person says
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: and everyone's like shut up, but like buying a T
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: shirt that's not doesn't feel like sandpaper and being like, oh,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: this was like fifteen dollars more, but it actually is
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: made out of cotton and not like chemicals and like
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: a look, I feel like like this is like from
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: I think richer and poorer whatever that brand ism, and
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: like this is a teacher that I'm feeling and that's
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: something about me my birthday. But it's like this is
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: like a quality made garment that I will have for
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: like a long time.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what I mean?
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: And so it's like like actually not having to keep
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: up with the Jones. This is also like not having
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: to like redo your wardrobe every two years, do you
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? And like just having things that
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: are said, because there's nothing chicer than being like someone
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: being like, oh my god, like what this is beautiful?
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Where did you get this? And then being like, oh,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: this is from like fifteen years ago. I hate that
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: to me is like beautiful. Like I'm like like, oh,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I like, oh yeah, i bought this on sale. It
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: was the last one and it's from like four years ago,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: and I've like just kept it in really good condition.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: That's like porn to me, and.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I do believe that. And again, if I had just
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: spent fifteen minutes in my because you know what, I
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: won't buy new outputs for it anymore. Is weddings because
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I'm like I hate, Oh, I hate being at a wedding.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Why I use? I refuse? I wore are you oh
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: you're gonna die? I think you know this. I wore
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Richard as in Richard Medley's like suit to a wedding
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: in Italy that Derinda gave.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Me because she has a good soul, because she was
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: like I'm gonna get rid of all these post do
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: you want them?
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: And I literally looked at one thing and it was
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: like an extremely expensive, like cashmir blazer, and I was like,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: a hundred percent, I do, but like it's not like
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I wore a suit that like is from twenty years ago,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: and I didn't care because I was like, I'd rather
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: just do this enough a go toa Zara again and
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: buy a super three hundred dollars yeah, that I'm not
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: going to fit into soon.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: The thing about weddings is I usually have to travel
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: for weddings because I don't live anywhere near my family,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: and so I'm like, okay, you have to pack I
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: guess five dresses because who know, you know, I'm a
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: lady with hormones. Who knows what my body will look
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: like the of the wedding. Also like, yeah, I can't
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: afford to just buy five ready made wedding attire dresses
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: every time one of my cousins find someone to marry them.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, but I need six because.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: And there's and guess what, there's nothing wrong with like
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: restyling something and it being like you know what I mean,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: wear like a shawl over it have a little like
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: something like have like a not a cardigan, but like
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, even if it's like a sheer,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: little like buy a little sheer, you know what I'm saying,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Like a little cardigan, not a shawl. Who wears like
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: a shawl anymore, but like a little cardigan or something
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: that's like over, like as if you would wear like
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: with a maxie dress, like a jean jacket over a
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: maxi dress like whatever that is informal wear, like wear
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: something like that to a cape, yes, though, but like
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: for real, yeah, like wear something over, like like be
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: use something to make a variation on this dress that
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: you've wornt to seven weddings. Like I have this burgundy
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: suit from Zara that should not still be in good
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: condition but is because I've worn it. I've worn it, Hassani,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: We've worn it out. We've worn it to like a
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: minimum ten different events, and like it was only like
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: a two hundred some dollars Zara suit. It wasn't any
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: but the randomly the quality was really good. You know
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: when sometimes they're like let's like make this for real
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: and make it look nice, Like wow, really, I've worn
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: that suit so many times, and I've just changed the
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: way that I've styled it, changed the shirt underneath, worn
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: the suit, jack of with different pants, like and it's
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: really that thing of like I've taken that. It's like
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: the sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. Like Yes, I've like
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: taken that suit and worn it to like seventeen different things.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: And I've saved if I would have had this spent
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: let's just say conservatively two hundred and fifty dollars. What's
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: what's that times nine? You know what I mean, I've
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: saved like thousands of dollars. No, but the thing of
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: like the keeping up, like the wishful filment of it
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: all is great, But it's that thing where and it
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like all over the place systems. He's just say sorry.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: The wishful filment of it is very interesting too, though,
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: because there is a world where you do get to
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: see that like, oh, even if I had like forty
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: million dollars, like I would still have the exact same problems.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah I have right now.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Well, al Rinthia and I talked about that for the
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Writer's Strike episode, where it's like people just assume that
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: because I am TV adjacent. I'm like living some very
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: like yeah to the Kay to the Hill. All of
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: my student debt is gone. I'm eating caviar every night.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's just like my little
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: spicy neurodivergent in my brain. But when I was watching
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Housewives or the bat well, when I was watching The Bachelor,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: my head did tell me you are not the girl
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: that gets to be on the Bachelor, because I was
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: overweight and I was loud, and I was funny. They're
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: so mean to funny women in that franky They're so
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: mean to funny Yeah, And so I did realistically know, like,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: you are not the girl who gets to be the badrette.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: No one wants to. I still say that I should
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: be the first fat bachelorette one hunt would.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: I would desperately want you to be it. But however,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I know that.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Like they'd be so mean to me.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: No, but like no one else would, like the internet,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: would you would have to disappear afterwards? I would.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: I would have to, which I think is why Netflix
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: is my bread and butter, because what Netflix does, like
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: the Housewives, is it's an ensemble and not just one
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: person on a journey. And I think that's the only
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: way shit like that works. Yeah, but when I was
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: walking in the Housewives, I never then looked around my
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: dorm room or my one bedroom apartment or the home
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: I grew up with in my family, and it went,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: what a fucking dumb And I feel like we're very
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: much in this age of television where everyone wants to
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: scream if the TV has made them feel bad, and
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, sometimes movies are supposed to make you
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: feel bad, like sometimes that is what we're doing, and
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: like it's not their.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Fucking fault that you don't have a good job, like
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like, what did they do?
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Do you?
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And yes, that's not like
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: it's not it's maybe society's fault, but it's like, not
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: this person's fault that you don't have. I don't know.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Also turn it off? Yeah, and I think too. It's
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: like even like there's the only show that I feel
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: like I've watched where it's like not relatable at all anymore.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: It's like the Kardashians now, which is why I feel
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: I feel like I like it again in a small doses,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: as like them being so rich and powerful that it's
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: like it's like that now, it's like fantasy, which I love,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: but like not for nothing. It's like, yeah, you could
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: have a really nice apartment, but then again, you're always
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: worried about like your taxes and the this and the
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: shares and the you know what I mean. It's like
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: it's not we think it gets ea, if I just
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: had this much more money, it would be easier, but
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: it's like there's a threshold where it then gets so
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: much harder because you have so much more to manage.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think this is why I want you
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: to come on still Comfy for Drop Dead Gorgeous, because
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: I'm terrified of doing that movie. And it's my favorite
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: movie because.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: I know every single words of the entire movie.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Me too, and I can do it in Christy Ally's accent.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: But may she rest in wherever the scientologists go when
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: they're gone.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm clear like, may she rest in Zeno,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: rest in Zenil.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: But I and I've said this out loud, I'm like,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: we can't watch my favorite movie anymore. I go, there
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: can no longer be public screenings of Drop Dead Gorgeous.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Oh no, it's terrible.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: It's terrible, but it's also such good satire and so
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: offensive that people won't get it. Yes, and I think
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: we're like with the housewives and reality TV we have
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: And I am the biggest like at fault of this
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: of having parasocial relationships with people who are in the
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: media that I admire. I would push someone in front
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: of the bus if they were mean to one of
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: the critical role women and I caught them at a con,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, you die today, and just shove
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: them in front of a bus because that's my job
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: as their friend, their friend that they don't know about.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: And well, it's funny you bring that up, because it's
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: like that is another part of it is like we've
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: gone so far where it's like we want to be
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: them so badly that we think that they're our best friend,
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: and it's like that's also not what this is.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I and I mean I just admitted on
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: my own show that I called the housewives of my aunties.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, look at my aunties having a great time
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: on vacation, which they would have invited me. But I
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: think when we've taken it a pair of social relationships
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: with like influencers and people who are making like in
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: real time content and podcasters and also have been like
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: so that means I should also be mad at the
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Disney princess who pissed me off. And I'm like, no,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Cinderella is not your friends, no, like, and there's so
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: many I don't know.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: It's just like, so we could sit here and like
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: unpack everything and like be mad about everything and do
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: this and do that and like blame everyone else for
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: every reason that we're like not okay, or we could
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: just like do better and like try to get I
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: don't know. I know that's like such an oversimplification for everything,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: but it's like it's not any TV show's fault that
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: you like don't feel good about yourself. Yeah.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: I had a fucking melt down when Taylor Swift was
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: dating Maddy Healy right before I was going to a
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: fucking concert because I had planned a lot of marketing
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: for this show surrounding Taylor Swift, and I was like,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: why would you do me like this?
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, And it's like that's not her problem, it's not
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: her problem.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: It's not her problem that I was like, I'm gonna
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: use Instagram photos of me at her concert to sell
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: my own shit, it's probably me taking advantage of her.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: But then at the end of the day, I was like, well,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: I guess if Taylor Swift can get had by an
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: ugly man who has bad opinions and an even worse attitude,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: then I won't feel as bad about it the next
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: time I date a man that I don't secret that
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know is secretly homophobic.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Did I what did I just say? They have the
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: same problems as us.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: They have the same problem but as us have I
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: been at a drag brunch in my youth where all
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: of a sudden I'm having a really good time and
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: a straight man has stormed off in a fury because
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: he didn't know how gay drag was gonna get yes,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: and then I and then you have to go, wait,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: it's my friend homophobic who bought the homophobe? Oh that
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: was me.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, Taylor Sus has never gotten. She's never not
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: been gotten by a man. Yet we've heard it time
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: and time again. Not to like invoke hate against the
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Queen Swifty, But like you know, she can't get she
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: can't get it right. Why does that? Why should any
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: of us get it right?
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Right? Also, that's why I like her. That's why I
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: cry every time I read one of her songs because
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I also got through this, and I also.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Really, you really do relate, relate to it. It really
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: is related. And so that's the other thing is that
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: these women don't stop, like they don't stop moving like
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: so much other Like I was filming with someone recently
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: and was like, I need you to not in the
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: middle of a sentence, walk into another room to go
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: look for like god knows what in what drawer where
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: I was like, I need you to stand here and
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: look me in the eye and I need to have
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: a conversation with you for forty five seconds. And the
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: person was like, I can't do that, and then walked
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: out of the room and was like looking for like
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: god knowess what. Like it like they don't quit, you
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. And that's the other thing is
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: that it's like you could be just like them. And
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: now I sound like Kim Kardashian when she's like, get
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: off your fucking ass, and but like the reason they
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: are who they are is because they never fucking stop. Yeah,
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: and they're relentless and they know it.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: And I told you that My favorite part of the
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Ultimate Girls sort of promo was when Vicky started screaming
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: that she could be working and everyone was wasting her time.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: And I was like, Vicky, you're on vacation.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah I could work.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I could be at work. I could I could have
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: been working. And I was like, you can say that
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: for thirty years.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: She'll never retire.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: No, I know, because what was she dropped it?
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Well? Would she? But that's what and not for that? Hey,
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: not for nothing, Like props to a woman that is
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: bonded to her job that isn't seen as like a mom,
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: just like a mom and a housewife. But it's like,
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: when you think of Vicky, what do you think of
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: other than whooping it up? You think of Codo Insurance?
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you think of her screaming at people? Why would
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: you lease spice time? I could have sent an email?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I think of like when I think of
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: her other than whooping it up, and like the actual
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: things that I like, actually really like. I filmed with her,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: so I know I have spoken to her. But like
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: when I think of her as like a TV person,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: I think of her whooping it up at Andolais And
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: then I think of her at Codo insurance, like typing
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: on that keyboard like all these years ago.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And when I think of lou Ayne, I think,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: just be cool, don't be not cool.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: I was in the room for that, you know that?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: I was there for that.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: And I think Louianne was so secure in herself and
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: the brand that she had built that she left a
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: fucking title behind. She was a countess and she's like,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: fuck your ass, I'll divorce you. Is Kate Middleton ever
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: going to do that?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: Hell?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Is Meggie Merkle ever going to do that?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: No? No, allegedly.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: It's like I know, I know they're on the rack.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: I mean we were in the time machine, right, Like
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: this is like got to come out in a million years.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: It didn't come Yeah, they're on the racks. Whatever.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: But I'm trying to think of what else, So, like,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: is there anything else I want to say about this
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm really mad that you and I don't just
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: have friendly phone calls at once a week.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're both so busy, but like what if we
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: just were like, do you have fifteen minutes? Yeah?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: And there's and there's like and I don't want to
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: be like the person comes on and is like defending
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: reality TV in there that's like amazing and nothing is
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: bad about it. Like, there's many people that are like
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: that have been very affected by it. And there are
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: shows the Batchelor that have not needing to but have
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: wielded power against people and really done harm. Yeah, Like,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: I like, I agree that that exists. So I don't
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: want people to think that I'm like defending my you
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. In every industry there's something, there's
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: bad things and good things. I think that we need
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: to remember that this is a television show.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, well number one, like you can go
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: an I always say it like this. I was like,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: every action that you put out into the world has
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to do harm. It just depends on who
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: catches it and how they're affected by it. So to
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: expect people to be in the limelight, or people to
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: be public figures, or people to be musicians, oscar winners, whatever,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: to never do a look of harm, why would you
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: want that expectation on you. I was a teacher. I
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: did harm, and I was a good teacher. Yeah, and
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: I watched bad teachers do a lot of harm and
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: then went to the proper authorities to be like, Hi,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: here's a video on my phone or just something, maybe
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: you'd like to look at it, and then tell me
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: to mind my business like.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: It's it's I think. The other thing too, is like
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: it's it's meant for entertainment. But also and also too,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: like a lot of the women go through things, and
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: these women will write to them, like so many house
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: iives have been like, oh, I talked about my you know, infertility,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Like I don't want to say the word journey. I
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: can't do a journey about anythink anyone. I hate it.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: I my struggles with infertility. And they were flooded the
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: dms of like, thank you for talking about this is
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: exactly what I went through, blah blah blah. Like there
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: is a world in which we do relate to these people,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: and there is good that comes from shedding light on
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: issues that women have. But like, I, as a man,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: have no idea what it's like to go through infertility struggles.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying? But it's like I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: then learned something because I'm listening to the listening to
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: the story that a woman is telling me. How many
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: men can say that the effort to that.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Effort, How often do infertility experiences experiences going through adoption
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: or fertility in general not wanting children? Pregnancy Breast cancer
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: has also been something that's happened in the Zyghost of
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: the Housewives. We get very sweet like storylines or very
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: gut wrenching storylines of those you very rarely get representation
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: of No, this is what the day to day looks
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: like for that, And I think that that's important too,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: because it's another way the female stories get told.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: It's also this is the other thing too, is that
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: I feel that like anymore, we want like everything now,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: like we wan want it to be like no, we
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: need to see exactly the fight of the two people
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: that are fighting. Whereas like I was watching The Kardashians
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: for a different podcast, but I was recapping it, and
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: there was a scene where Kim Kardashian goes into her
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: storage unit where she has all of these clothes and
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: like all every easy thing that's ever been made, basically
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: like one of everything that they've ever made, and like
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: she's going through all of this these clothes and it's
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: and although like nothing really happens in the scene, I
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: thought it was like one of the best scenes of
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: anything I've ever seen because it was so real and
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: like raw, where she was like talking about like I
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: don't I know that I shouldn't like like I know
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: that now like this all these shoes are like contraband
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: basically because my husband's Nazi and like, as much as
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: I need to, I'm one heartbroken that my husband has
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: is mentally unwell and like so much so that he's
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: become a public enemy and it is like causing people
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: harm with his words. That's layer one. Layer two is
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: like this is also the father of all of my children,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: So like what do I do? Say your father is
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: out of his mind and like a crazy person, and
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: like what do you do it? Like you know what
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: I mean? And is like is a Nazi? Like like
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: what do you That's layer two, So like there's a
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: world in which this is so my parents' father that
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: I want them to have a relationship with him even
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: if he's not well, like they still need to know
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: who their father is. Three, I like hold on to
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: clothing as memories. Yeah you know what I mean. And
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: it's like all of my memories are like different business
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: things that I did or like clothing items, but like
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: but like just her going through this storage unit again
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: nothing like nothing happens like mundane every day, Like I
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: have so much stuff? What do I do with it?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: But the emotional stakes of the scene were out of
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: control so much so that I was like, this is
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: so I've been thinking about it since.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Well, because if you've gone through some sort of layer
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: of trauma like him his currently going through with Kanye,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: you know how retraumatizing that is for you to sit
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: there and be like, well, I guess I'm gonna touch
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: all of the shit that he ever gave me, designed
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: for me, all of it, because I've avoided it for
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: so long. And then I know I've been talking about
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift all summer. But when I went faeral during
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: All Too Well, while I was watching her live and
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: cry saying to it and then yelled in a bunch
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: of people's videos who did not know that they were
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: sitting next to me, fuck Jake Jillenhall, just because the
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: spirit moved me. Like I thought about it, and I
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: told this to my friend Elizabeth, I go, All too
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Well isn't about the breakup, I go, It's about all
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: of the gaslighting that happened in their relationship. I go,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: that's why she keeps saying I was there. I remember
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: it all too well. I go, because he's probably told
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: her a lot of bullshit that he did or said
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: did not happen. And she's like, oh, and I was like,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: and I know that because no one's been gas lit
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: more than me except for maybe Taylor Swift. And so
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: I cry almost every time I hear that song. So
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: to sit in a storage unit with all of my
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: gas lighters stuff and be like, what am I allowed
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: to keep? What should be in my own?
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: As she's going through the racks, she just like pulls
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: out like this gray hoodie and it's the gray hoodie
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: that he's wearing in the album cover of College Dropout
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: and it says college drop Out. And you're just like,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: it's just like it hits you like a ton of bricks.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Like, because you're just like,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: holy fuck, like it's it's I don't know, but like
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: being able to watch that person go through that on
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: TV has made me like be more intellectual as a
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: human beings, do you know what I mean? It's like
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: like I've thought about like, oh, I wonder what that
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: would feel, because like when will on any of us
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: ever be able to say that, Like, oh, yeah, I
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: know what it's like. Whenever like my very famous husband
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: go is mentally unwell and turns into a Nazi, Like,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: none of us will be able to say that that,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Like everyone that is a household name. You know what
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: I mean by his first name? Only do you know
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Like, none of us will ever be
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: able to say that. So it's like there's a world
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: in which it is completely unrelatable, and yet it's like
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: this is still a woman's experience and it's like absolutely heartbreaking. Yeah.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: And I think when you're looking at physical things like
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: a sweatshirt that says college dropout, that we all know.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: So it's like that's part of Kanye's history as part
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: of history, that's part of my.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: Part of our history. Yeah, it's part of American history truly.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there are still songs that I have a really
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: hard time skipping when they come up on my Spotify
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: DJ and I'm like, please don't make me skip it.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Let me pretend I'm too far from my phone. Like Chris,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: I think we should actually move into the lasting moments
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: of the podcast, so I don't keep you here because
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: I know eventually you will have other things to do.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: I also could talk about like this is like everything
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: I ever want to talk about. So if we don't stop,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: like I we'll just stay on this, You'll make a
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: three hour podcast and then you're like, why the fuck
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: did I do this?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Because I love spending time with you, even if it's
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: over a video. On to all the men I've told
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: you before. We talk about a lot of heavy things
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: like keeping up with the Joneses and women's place in
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: TV and agism. So we like to end on a
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: positive note by offering the audience like a little life
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: experience lesson that you may have gotten from our conversation
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: or watching Kim Kardashian in her storage unit or producing
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: the Housewives. And then we like to take that lesson
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: and then throw out some positivity even further with a
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: manifestation and a hope that we wish for something to
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: happen at some point. We just like to speak aboud
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: our manifestations. So, what have you learned by producing the
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: Housewives and being involved in TV that focuses on older women?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: You know, what's something? Okay, this is kind of in
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: the vein of like keeping up with the Jones and
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Slash Kardashians, is that, yes, does everyone want to have
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: a huge house and do they want to have like
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: a you know, do they want to have bluestone man
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: or do they want to have a Hampton's house like Ramona?
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Do they want to have this? They want to have
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: something where they can have parties and like, you know,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: be the hostess with the most this you can live
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: in an efficiency apartment and you can still throw a
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: great party. I think that that's something that a lot
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: of them have said that to me. They're like, we
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: used to know parties when I had three roommates and
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: we were like twenty five. And it really is something
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: where like even if you are like I can never
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: have anyone over because I don't have a nice apartment,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: like you know, I don't live like the housewives, So
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: like why does it? Why would anyone ever need to
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: come here? Some of the most fun I've ever had
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: has been like going to a friend's house that was
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: like cooking a dinner. It didn't need to be anything fancy,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: It didn't need to be anything, you know, but the
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: special touches and like you don't need to have back
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Baccarat crystal glasses, like you know what I mean, You
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: don't need to have like Creighton Barrel isn't that expensive,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? You can get stemware from
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: Creighton Barrel that's like very cute in chic, and still
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: it's four dollars a glass, you know what I mean.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: It's I think that something that is very like you
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: don't need to spend a lot of money, and you
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: don't also need to go to home goods and buy
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: like ugly ass shit. I think so much of this
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: stuff at home Gooods is I know that like zero
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: everyone's turning the podcast off now, but like, so much
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: of the stuff at home Goods is I think so
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: ugly and so like kisshy and like not in a
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: cute way.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Why are you insulting my glass, pumpkin?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: No? But but like like there's so much stuff where
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: it's like there's all these patterns and everything, and I'm like, Okay,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: this doesn't all need to be so loud, Like it
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: doesn't need to be so crazy. You can have chic,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: nice things from Macy's where you get where you have
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: your Macy's credit card and you end up spending ten
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: dollars on like a blanket that's on like super sale,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like you can hunt for
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: bargains and like just because you don't have the you
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: don't have an Instagram house that's like all white with
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: like shag rugs and like ugly ass shit like that
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: they all think is so cute. Like you can have
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: your own personal style and make that apparent, and like
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: even with clothing, like it doesn't you don't need to
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: spend a bajillion dollars, But you can buy one thing
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: that was maybe maybe fifty dollars that you is out
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: of your price range, that's made well, that you wear
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: all the time, and you can just switch up the
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: way that you wear it and it looks great. Like
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: you don't need to spend all this money and keep
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: up with the Joneses in that way, whenever you are
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: thoughtful about the way that you do things, like your
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: betting doesn't need to be eight million dollars, but it
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: can be cute and not just like whatever the fuck's
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: at home goods it's ugly as shit, do you know
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: what I mean? And it's like nine thousand patterns together
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: that be there, like trying to make you buy. Do
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: you know what? Does that make sense?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And you can still enjoy the thing, like the
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: cutest Barbie versus what's that? I mean? For me and
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: my sister, the beets are from the dollar store. I
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: just impulsively And now I'm pissed because I don't think
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: that they have a pen anymore. It's like I would
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: have bought all of them.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: And you and you don't need to. I think that
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: was something. It's definitely something that they've told me a
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: million times. It's like the women, it was like, it's
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: all about the presentation of what you have, Like you
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's like, it doesn't matter if
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: if your house is the nice house or not nicest house.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: If you have if it's cute and it's cozy and
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: it's warm and people, it looks inviting, and that doesn't
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: need to be an Ermez blanket. It doesn't. It can
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: be you know, again, a home goods blanket that you
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: take really good care of. Mm hm, you know what
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: I mean. It can be like a thrifted coffee table
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: that's old wooden, like, looks really cute and you just
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: make sure you clean it once a week, Like you
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: don't need to have expensive things to have like beautiful things.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think my lesson whenever we talk about capitalism
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: and money and the power it wields in the show
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: is I like to just remind people that, like now
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: that money truly isn't all that physical anymore. In my head,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: it's made up so well it is.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: I mean there's I'll come back any day. You want
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: to just talk about like the fact that like what
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: are stocks other than just like make believe nothing, Like
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: it's just nothing.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: It's just monopoly.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's insane that our entire economy is hinges
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: on just like a made up system that has nothing
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: to do with anything.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: Right, they tell us that there's no money, and I'm like,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: just put more zeros into the internet. I don't know.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now, I'll come back in a second. And I
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: just droned on about like nine million things. But it
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: really is that thing of like you also can like
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: you also can achieve what you want to achieve and
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: make things look cute or look nice and they don't
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: have to and you don't have to actually work that hard.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: You just have to like know where you're getting your stuff.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you hope in the future for either
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: of the housewise, yourself, misogyny, the collective in general?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: I hope that well for myself, I hope that you
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: guys come and listen to my podcast called Fixing Famous People.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: How dare I do that? But now Natalie has been
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: a guest. I know, but it's just like, what do
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: I hope for myself? But that is what I hope.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: It's very funny. We have a lot of fun Natalie,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: but I guess she'll be a guest again and please
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: come listen. It's really great. I hope for women. I
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: think that a lot of like women's issues are just
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: that it's labeled as women's issues, and so men for
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: the most part don't ever feel that they need to
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: be involved with them, and that's in itself like a disservice.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: And so there is such a thing where like I
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: like the fact that even though I don't watch it
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: a lot myself, I like the fact that Summer House
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: does exist because it's like a Bravo show that then
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: is like a pipeline that lets and below deck as well,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: where like everyone's boyfriend is watching that with their girlfriends
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: and then they eventually get sucked into housewives and then
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: men are listening about women with fibroids or like women
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: that like wanted to be blank, blank and blank, but
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: then they couldn't you know what I mean? Like that
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: does exist because of shows like that, and I hope
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: that we can start to talk about women's issues and
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: it not be labeled as like something for women that
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: men don't need to be involved in.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and wouldn't that be great for everything? For LGBTQ issues, for.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: People, their trans issues.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: What if they were all just issues? Like yeah, person
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: of my person manifestation is that Chris and I work
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: together on hundreds of projects.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, please.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: When you ran into someone that you admire at the
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: Beyonce concert and you were like, I can't believe this
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: happened to me, And I was like, if Chris and
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: I got into the same room with our luck and
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: our talent and our charm, we would run countries.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: I talk to you every day, like you know what
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, It's like that I met someone I was like,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: oh my god, I've been like listening to you for years.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: This is so great. You and I talk every single day.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: So it's like, well, I don't know what you're like,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: if only we could be in a room. We'll be
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: in a room again very soon, don't you worry about that?
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: I know, And actually when this airs, it probably probably
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: already will have done that.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: And I think my second manifestation that deals with the
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: episode is I just thought thought the world gets kinder
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: to older women in general. Like every day is Margot
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: Roby looking at a really old lady on a bench
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: and going, you're beautiful, and that lady going fucking duh. Yeah,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: that's all because I'm getting older. And while I welcome
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: my shrew and have years, every day, I'm like, every
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: day I'm getting closer and closer to when people will
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: believe that I am impact to chrone on the inside.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: I cannot wait. I will take myself to the woods
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: after you and I work on two hundred projects, and
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: then you'll be like, yeah, where's your great partner and
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: abley in the woods? That's where it's.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I am starting to really be like, all right,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: I need to like be on a diet and like
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: eat healthier, and I need to exercise more and I
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: need to like, like notice how shiny my skin is
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: because I've been throwing every product I've ever owned on it.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: No, I exfoliated today and then put the heaviest solution
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: I know I own on every as if I was.
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  Speaker 2: Like being lubed up to get like dunked into a cannon,
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  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Like I was like Christmas is gonna log on and
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna look insane that you're melting like and I'm
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  Speaker 1: just gonna slight off of.
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  Speaker 2: My chair, slide off. I mean while the same like
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: we're like both just sliding right off our chairs. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just hold that the world gets a little
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: bit easier on older women because my god, they they're
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: not only our future. There are presents like yeah, they
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  Speaker 1: know a lot of shit.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like and it's like when I mean, I know,
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  Speaker 2: we're like done, but like it's like when have you
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  Speaker 2: watched ever in your life, like a woman over fifty
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  Speaker 2: like have sexual desires on a scripto television.
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  Speaker 1: Show ever exactly, or a woman in her fifties or
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: her forties just be like, you know, now that I
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  Speaker 1: think about it, and I take God and my parents
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  Speaker 1: out of the equation, maybe I'm queer like and that's
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: like it's just so refreshing to know that whatever year
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  Speaker 1: of your life that you're in, you're allowed to make
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  Speaker 1: that year what you want it to be and what
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: your identity is go to be that year. And the
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: housewives do a lot of revampain of themselves and that's refreshing. Yeah,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: for better, for worse, for better for worse. If it's
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: not for better, it's at least for entertaining.
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  Speaker 2: For entertainment. Yes, correct. Wow, what a way to end it.
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  Speaker 1: What a way to end it, Chris, make sure to
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  Speaker 1: tell everyone again how fun I was on What your
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: favorite episode of Fixing Famous People is and why it's
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: my episode?
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  Speaker 2: Natalie was on the Chris Pratt episode. It was critically
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: a received, critically acclaimed. Whenever it came down, people were
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: loving that we were doing that episode. The podcast is
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: called Fixing Famous People. You can find it anywhere you
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: find podcasts. You guys can find me at the Christa
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: Rosa and Telera.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Do you know the deal. First off, we're gonna thank
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: Chris for being here. I almost forgot to do that
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: because I'm like, we're just hanging out. Yeah, thank you
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: so much for being here, and thank you for all
• 1:21:01
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• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: smile through anything you're tolerating, including a society who wants
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: to throw you out in the bin as soon as
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: your age croaches towards fifty. Smiles are for joy.