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Ep. 58: Is Vanity Bad? The Uncomfortable Truth About Wanting to Look Good with Maggie Gallant · Age Like a Badass Mother

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  Okay, friends, this is a big one.
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  I am joined by my long time friend from my stand up comedy days, Maggie Gallant.
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  We dive into her recent cosmetic procedure.
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  It's one that neither one of us can pronounce.
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  So don't even ask me.
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  And it brought up a swirl of emotions that came along with her wanting to tweak something.
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  This conversation opened up so many thoughts for me that I actually rewrote the intro to this podcast.
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  If you've ever wrestled with should I age naturally or should I do a little something to feel better?
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  You need to hear this episode.
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  And this might even be one that you want to watch on my YouTube channel.
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  We get very honest.
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  While you're there, drop a comment.
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  I would love to hear your take on this.
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  And if you're new here, please listen to the podcast episode about how I reverse my heart disease and lost 20 pounds by eating a whole food plant based diet.
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  And of course, you can always reach me at Lauren at age like a badass mother.
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  Com you know I love hearing from you and I will answer you back.
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  And as always, I appreciate you listening.
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  Hi friend, I'm Lauren Bernick and I'm flipping the script about growing older.
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  From rebels and rule breakers to wellness warriors and wise women.
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  My guests have been influencers since before that was even a thing, and we're not even close to finished.
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  Welcome to age like a badass mother.
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  Maggie Gallant, also known as the British woman, grew up in southeast England, now living in Austin, Texas.
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  Maggie founded the Truly Terrific Tea Company to create authentic and fun tea parties and events for any occasion.
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  As an experienced event planner, Maggie brings creativity, an exceptional eye for detail and a great team to every party.
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  But I've known her from my days as a stand up comic.
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  We've been friends for over 20 years.
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  She's here today because she recently had a cosmetic procedure which just shocked the hell out of me.
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  I didn't think anything about aging bothered her.
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  We started talking about it and I said, save it for the podcast because we have to have this honest conversation.
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  So please welcome my hilarious and talented friend Maggie Gallant.
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  Hello.
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  Thrilled. I'm so delighted.
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  I'm so delighted you're here.
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  So I guess we should probably just start by talking about our how we met, because it's it's fun, right?
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  I mean, I think it was fun.
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  I think that, I mean, probably like you.
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  I can't believe that we ever did that.
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  That was a pretty big chunk of our kind of our lives, but a pretty significant part of it.
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  Yeah, it was crazy. Doing stand up.
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  Doing like.
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  Yeah, I think about that now. And I'm like, how did I ever do that?
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  That's just ballsy.
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  And we actually met in this workshop.
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  We we met.
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  So mastery the mastery.
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  So we met in this workshop and it was called the mastery.
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  And, I don't know why.
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  I was just, like, called to do it.
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  I had to be there.
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  And now I know it was to meet you, to do stand up.
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  But I remember Andy and I got in a big fight that weekend because I was gone all weekend and I had, you know, three small children.
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  And he's like, what are you doing?
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  We, you know, you don't have time for this.
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  And I was like, I have time for you just, you know, take care of the kids.
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  We got this big fight.
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  He's like, what are you doing?
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  And later he told me he's like, I'm really glad you did stuff like that, because at the time, you know, I just thought it was crazy.
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  But then I came to realize you kind of kept yourself all these years.
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  You didn't lose yourself because you kept up with your interests.
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  And so I think he was grateful.
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  But we we met in this crazy mastery.
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  And I remember that Van Brooks, who ran it, said, you might not know why you're here, but you were meant to be here for this reason, and I, I think I was meant to be there with you.
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  I always remember that one piece of one thing.
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  I mean, there were a lot of things that he said.
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  But I always remember him saying, if you don't fail you on interesting.
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  And it's so true and it's so good and that that has carried me because that sort of embracing and just, you know, you know when we would laugh, remember when somebody screwed up and we'd all like clap and cheer for them.
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  I mean I still I still do that with people.
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  I think it's, it was a, it was a, it was a great piece of advice.
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  But I also remember standing up in front of you all and just being in floods of tears.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  I remember you started crying and.
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  Then it was.
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  I started crying and I didn't know why I was crying.
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  You just crying because you were crying.
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  I don't know what happened. It was crazy.
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  He also said, who are you to deprive the world of your gifts?
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  Remember that. And yeah, we did.
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  I remember we did.
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  We had to make up a play and like, I think there was like six of us.
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  And we ended up doing The Boy with No head.
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  It had to be like an inspirational play, like somebody has to overcome something.
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  And we decided this guy should have no head.
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  And we did it to the theme of The Brady Bunch.
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  Such talented. Attitude.
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  Here's the story of a boy with no head to remember.
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  Okay? Please don't.
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  Please don't share any more of this.
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  And then, and then I he said, what is something that you've always wanted to do?
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  But you've been afraid.
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  And I said, stand up.
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  And he said, okay, you're going to go off with Maggie.
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  She's done stand up a few times and you're going to write a whatever three minute set, and you're going to perform it in two hours.
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  And I thought I was going to shit my pants, but I did.
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  We did it.
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  And then I started doing stand up, and we had.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: 00 at night and were we and then get out of there at one in the morning.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Oh yeah. Well I know for. Three minutes on stage.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: For three minutes, but then, but we also kind of made it a little bigger than that.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: We weren't just doing open mic. You said, well you did well.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Well you opened for Maria Bamford.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: You did.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, and if somebody else.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Yes you did, did I?
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Yes, we we both.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: You're on your TV star.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Yes. No, we both, we both did quite well.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: And, you know, for what we were taking on it.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Like what?
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  Quite open mics at like 10: We were like 35, 38 years old when we started, which is a little bit, you know, older for, for a stand up comic at the.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, looking back, it doesn't seem old at all, which I guess is perspective, but, what else?
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Is there anything else that you remember from those days, from the stand up days?
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  Quite open mics at like 10: I don't know, I mean, it just I mean, it amazes me now because like for a tiny exhibition, when we first started out, that the amount of time that I would spend driving to places and standing around places, I mean, I used to go to San Antonio for the open mic on Saturday night and I would leave the house like 1030 to get down there at midnight, you know, drive home at two in the morning.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, poor Eric, my poor, long suffering husband.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: And I was smoking like, come in stinking so you could be like, have you been smoking like.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: No, it was very smoky clubs.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: It was smoky.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: But I mean, it was fun, like doing the funniest person and, Funniest person.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Competitions.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean. We did the competition. The.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Funniest person in. Boston, van said.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: And that whole, like, do something that scares you and that that did, didn't it?
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  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, it sometimes I think this real power of standing up on a stage and making people laugh, and there is nothing, I mean, for me, there is nothing in the world like the high that you get when a joke really hits like really high.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: So you have to wait and you write that love, nothing like that.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: But equally nothing as humiliating as performing on stage.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: And then that walk off the stage through the crowd to the bunch of comics at the back who are loving you.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Every second of you humiliate their jerks.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Anyone wanting to try stand up, please give it a go.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: It's great.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: So yeah, it was.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: It was definitely, a moment in time and and something.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: I'm just very grateful that I did because, you know, it took some balls and it gave me a lot of training.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: There's nothing that really scares me too much these days because.
• 9:03
  Quite open mics at like 10: Right. Yeah.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: I stood up on stage by myself and told jokes. So.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Nothing so damn scary.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Okay, so there are a couple reasons I wanted to talk to you today.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: And, you know, we were having coffee and and you.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Well, first of all, the conversation started, I think because of your hairdresser. Right.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: What was that conversation?
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  Quite open mics at like 10: So I've had shorthand.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Gosh.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: For a, I mean, a long time, like probably, I know, 25 years, and it's always in England.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: It was never really an issue.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: But when I came here, you know, everybody has everybody has long hair.
• 9:44
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, it just you don't see so many too many people with with short hair.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Anyway, I have a wonderful, wonderful her stylist.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: And when I go to her, I always end up doing the same thing.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: But I always, like, flick through the magazines or look online.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: I'm like, I short hair like, you know what's new in the short hair style?
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  Quite open mics at like 10: And this one was sort of divided into categories, and I think it was kind of face shape, but then it was a category age and there was a section for the over 60s.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Well, I am now, I will be 60 on the 30th of December.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: So I mean, it is it's looming.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: So I look through them and they were all just dolls.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, there was nothing that was particularly inspiring.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: So I said to my I said to layer my stylist like what makes an over 60 haircut?
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  Quite open mics at like 10: And she said, well, you know, it's what we like.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Easy sort of wash and go.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: I was like, oh, it's it's more cuts in that, like, I want to be able to do all that this way.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah, it's so crazy with it.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: I need the complicated head. Yeah.
• 10:52
  Quite open mics at like 10: Because I don't want to be the wash and go.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Wash and go.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Grandma, you know I'm. Not ready. For that.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: No, she said that it was, like, uncomplicated.
• 11:01
  Quite open mics at like 10: And you were like, well, give me the most complicated haircut you can.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah, I.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Want, I want, I want complex layers.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: I want something that's not now sticking out all over the place.
• 11:11
  Quite open mics at like 10: Used to be not easily recreated.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: That's where my body around the age of 60, I know.
• 11:16
  Quite open mics at like 10: And then, you know, that got stuck.
• 11:18
  Quite open mics at like 10: And then you went off on a rant and then, and then you started telling me about your, upcoming plastic surgery, which you've gotten.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Well, I don't know if it's plastic surgery.
• 11:28
  Quite open mics at like 10: What was the.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Which just shocked me.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: What's it called? What did you get?
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  Quite open mics at like 10: I know I always I always get a little bit of a, when somebody says plastic surgery because I just think of it, I think I call it a procedure on my face.
• 11:42
  Quite open mics at like 10: So I'll take my eyeglasses off even though I can't see.
• 11:45
  Quite open mics at like 10: You can see. So. And, you. Well, hold on.
• 11:48
  Quite open mics at like 10: This is a podcast and you can watch this on YouTube.
• 11:52
  Quite open mics at like 10: But for anybody who's not watching, she had this procedure, like, what, two weeks ago?
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Three weeks ago.
• 11:59
  Quite open mics at like 10: So you're still very post-op.
• 12:02
  Quite open mics at like 10: Thank you.
• 12:04
  Quite open mics at like 10: Okay, so describe what you had done.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: So my rights eye is that sleepy eye which a lot of people talk about and often happens when you age where it just, it just droops a little bit that the upper eyelids droops.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: And it wasn't significant, but it was enough that it bothered me in photos.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: And when I was on stage or just looking in the mirror.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: So I got a an upper.
• 12:31
  Quite open mics at like 10: Pronouncing never a.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: We will say that very quickly.
• 12:34
  Quite open mics at like 10: It's probably not that, just on the right eye.
• 12:37
  Quite open mics at like 10: And then that's like an eyelid lift, right.
• 12:40
  Quite open mics at like 10: Like they cut your, cut your eye eyelids.
• 12:43
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
• 12:43
  Quite open mics at like 10: And they just kind of take it up a little bit, take it up a notch.
• 12:47
  Quite open mics at like 10: And then on the lower ones I had the sort of fat deposits that give you the sort of bags under the eyes.
• 12:53
  Quite open mics at like 10: And they were quite dark.
• 12:55
  Quite open mics at like 10: So they did the lower left red plastic on both and, and then resurfaced the whole thing to sort of get rid of some wrinkles.
• 13:06
  Quite open mics at like 10: So you.
• 13:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: Had some pretty deep wrinkles under your eyes too, like underneath the sheets that she.
• 13:12
  Quite open mics at like 10: Was like, yep. Sun damage.
• 13:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: So she did the, the fractional CEO to Lasering.
• 13:21
  Quite open mics at like 10: So yeah.
• 13:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: And and it, it looked hideous through at least the first week to ten days.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: It's clearing up now.
• 13:28
  Quite open mics at like 10: You can still see a little bit of red.
• 13:31
  Quite open mics at like 10: It's a little bit swollen.
• 13:32
  Quite open mics at like 10: And it takes a they say it takes probably three months before you see the the full results.
• 13:38
  Quite open mics at like 10: But it looks really good and you know the thick.
• 13:41
  Quite open mics at like 10: But what it just shocked me because like I said I never heard you complain about it.
• 13:48
  Quite open mics at like 10: Talk about it.
• 13:50
  Quite open mics at like 10: You've never mentioned it.
• 13:51
  Quite open mics at like 10: And when you're like, oh yeah, I'm getting this like next week.
• 13:53
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I was like, what?
• 13:54
  Quite open mics at like 10: Why, what?
• 13:55
  Quite open mics at like 10: What's going on?
• 13:56
  Quite open mics at like 10: Like, I didn't even know anything bothered you.
• 13:59
  Quite open mics at like 10: And and I just thought you were one of those people who was just going to age the way you age and, you know, and so tell me your inner thoughts behind all that.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, I think I'm, I think I'm oh, gosh, we're going to get onto the vanity thing.
• 14:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: And, but I'm going to say that I am quite vain.
• 14:18
  Quite open mics at like 10: But I'll just put that aside for a minute.
• 14:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I think that on my face that a that I, it's probably been getting gradually worse.
• 14:28
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I had lost some weight because I was sick in February, so I lost some weight pretty quickly in the recovery from that. And the skin on my face started looking really like the wrinkles were far more pronounced.
• 14:47
  Quite open mics at like 10: So at that point, and I had got the recommendation from a friend who had just had this procedure done, and she looked amazing.
• 14:57
  Quite open mics at like 10: So I had already been in touch with that doctor and she was like, yeah, we could do this and this.
• 15:03
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I said, well, that's interesting.
• 15:04
  Quite open mics at like 10: It's a lot of money.
• 15:04
  Quite open mics at like 10: Not sure, but I'll do it.
• 15:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: And then I looked at myself sort of around February time, I was like, I just got to just got to do it.
• 15:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: So if my friend hadn't recommended, I may not have even gone ahead with it, because you don't want to just sort of pick some random person who's like, yeah, I can do it.
• 15:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: I'll lead amongst many other things.
• 15:24
  Quite open mics at like 10: Whereas these people who are actually specialists, so fortunately they know what they're doing.
• 15:31
  Quite open mics at like 10: But and then also, my God, one go ahead.
• 15:35
  Quite open mics at like 10: No. God. I was going to say that, the Eric was going to have his done because his eyelids, his eyelid is very significant.
• 15:45
  Quite open mics at like 10: And so I had sent him to the same place to go and talk to him, and his was affecting his peripheral vision, and he was going to have his done first.
• 15:55
  Quite open mics at like 10: But early appointment came up, so I had mine done anyway.
• 15:58
  Quite open mics at like 10: Long story short, he's now had his done and his.
• 16:03
  Quite open mics at like 10: You won't be listening to this.
• 16:04
  Quite open mics at like 10: He looks hideous.
• 16:04
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, it really has been really has been hideous.
• 16:08
  Quite open mics at like 10: So that's the recovery I would have been talking about, not the post off.
• 16:12
  Quite open mics at like 10: She looks the bright, the bruising in black under his, The discoloration is taking a lot longer for him to recover.
• 16:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: Because his was more intense.
• 16:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: He had, like, hooded eyes.
• 16:25
  Quite open mics at like 10: Or is that what you call them? Hooded?
• 16:27
  Quite open mics at like 10: I think so. Were they so they. What did they do?
• 16:29
  Quite open mics at like 10: They cut the inseam of the eyelid and just pull it up.
• 16:33
  Quite open mics at like 10: Or what do they do?
• 16:35
  Quite open mics at like 10: I don't know, I mean, honestly, this is sort of part of the issue that I didn't I mean, I usually research the heck out of everything before I do anything.
• 16:43
  Quite open mics at like 10: This one, she sort of went, oh yeah, we can do this.
• 16:45
  Quite open mics at like 10: And it's not that great.
• 16:46
  Quite open mics at like 10: Pay my money. I did not fully realize quite what was involved with it, but yes, that's essentially what they have to do for him.
• 16:55
  Quite open mics at like 10: They had to cut out a lot of the extra sort of eyelid.
• 17:00
  Quite open mics at like 10: Is that the technical term?
• 17:01
  Quite open mics at like 10: The extra?
• 17:01
  Quite open mics at like 10: I think I. Did his stuff a. Bit.
• 17:04
  Quite open mics at like 10: I think that you didn't research it because you didn't want to know.
• 17:06
  Quite open mics at like 10: Right?
• 17:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: You're like, let me just go into this and not knowing subconsciously.
• 17:12
  Quite open mics at like 10: I suppose I. Can.
• 17:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: I except afterwards I did all the research to look.
• 17:16
  Quite open mics at like 10: Right after.
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  Quite open mics at like 10: Badly. I was recovering compared to everybody else.
• 17:20
  Quite open mics at like 10: Get a tattoo done.
• 17:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: Okay.
• 17:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: Why does it look like this? Yours?
• 17:25
  Quite open mics at like 10: It looks really good, like I said.
• 17:27
  Quite open mics at like 10: Okay, I'm going to ask you a personal question.
• 17:29
  Quite open mics at like 10: You could tell me to fuck off if you don't want answer, but, will you tell us how much it cost?
• 17:35
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yes. So I think in total, with all of the sort of extra surgeon fees and facility fees, it was about 10,000.
• 17:44
  Quite open mics at like 10: That's significant.
• 17:45
  Quite open mics at like 10: Whereas, Eric, because that also included all the laser, whereas Eric's was, I think five because both of his eyes were covered.
• 17:55
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yes, because he's a man.
• 17:56
  Quite open mics at like 10: Is that why we do? Yes.
• 18:02
  Quite open mics at like 10: Because he could do the I can't see out of the corners of my, I could have played that card.
• 18:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
• 18:08
  Quite open mics at like 10: No, he he really did have some.
• 18:11
  Quite open mics at like 10: I'm excited to see what he looks like.
• 18:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: Okay, so back to, like, the bigger issue at hand, you know, how how long, how long was it bothering you?
• 18:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: Like you said, maybe the droopy eyelid for a long time, but under your eyes, like, when did that start?
• 18:29
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
• 18:29
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, that's that's sun damage.
• 18:31
  Quite open mics at like 10: And that's because we are of the generation that.
• 18:36
  Quite open mics at like 10: So having a tan once you burn was the greatest thing ever for sure was the only way to achieve a tan.
• 18:44
  Quite open mics at like 10: So I have a lot of sun damage on my face and on my body, like all those brown spots are all appearing.
• 18:51
  Quite open mics at like 10: And you know, I don't I don't like the way that they look.
• 18:54
  Quite open mics at like 10: So that's been on my face.
• 18:57
  Quite open mics at like 10: Well, first of all, I was sort of going out into the sun to sort of hope that the brown patch that was there, if I then got brown on the rest of my face, you.
• 19:08
  Quite open mics at like 10: Just managed to disguise it.
• 19:10
  Quite open mics at like 10: However, that hasn't really happened.
• 19:11
  Quite open mics at like 10: So I think once I stopped going out into the sun and I realized just how, yeah, noticeable it was and it wasn't going to come off just with, you know, some random product advertised as a miracle cure on Instagram, which I am very susceptible to saying.
• 19:28
  Quite open mics at like 10: Oh my God, I buy everything off Instagram.
• 19:30
  Quite open mics at like 10: Okay, I think I'm getting done though, I okay, and I also okay, I want to talk about Instagram, but I also want to say, I also just got a procedure.
• 19:41
  Quite open mics at like 10: I got a chemical pill, I paid a stranger good money, like hundreds of dollars to burn a layer of my skin off because I also was getting a little brown spots and, you know, just to expose, like, a baby layer of skin.
• 19:56
  Quite open mics at like 10: And then I was like, what the hell are we doing?
• 19:59
  Quite open mics at like 10: It just blew my mind.
• 20:00
  Quite open mics at like 10: But then we started talking about it.
• 20:03
  Quite open mics at like 10: And the reason I think I'm mad about it is because we are.
• 20:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: Now we're going to get everything on our Instagram.
• 20:09
  Quite open mics at like 10: I hope you have your phone. My phone's on.
• 20:11
  Quite open mics at like 10: Just silent somewhere, but God knows we're going to be getting like brown spot remover on our Instagram or whatever.
• 20:18
  Quite open mics at like 10: I almost just bought.
• 20:20
  Quite open mics at like 10: This is why I'm like, I'm done.
• 20:21
  Quite open mics at like 10: I almost just bought these things off Instagram.
• 20:24
  Quite open mics at like 10: It's like a tape that pulls your skin up so you can wear shorts and so your knees are falling down.
• 20:31
  Quite open mics at like 10: And as I'm like about to buy this, I'm like, damn it, I'm sick of this shit.
• 20:36
  Quite open mics at like 10: I'm not buying this. I'm just going to I just have to get comfortable of this is how I look.
• 20:42
  Quite open mics at like 10: I am almost 57 years old.
• 20:45
  Quite open mics at like 10: My knees are going to be a little falling down or whatever.
• 20:49
  Quite open mics at like 10: That skin.
• 20:49
  Quite open mics at like 10: I don't know what it is, but I'm not taping it up.
• 20:52
  Quite open mics at like 10: What if it falls down while I'm down, you know, and also just sick of this shit I'm so sick of.
• 20:58
  Quite open mics at like 10: Every time I get on Instagram, it costs me 49, 99 and I have to be special price.
• 21:05
  Quite open mics at like 10: Just now.
• 21:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: So, you know, there is this whole thing about acceptance versus tweaking and, I think that we're not being honest.
• 21:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: If we say, okay, I'm just going to fully age.
• 21:26
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I have a shame about this now because I host a podcast called Age Like a Badass Mother.
• 21:33
  Quite open mics at like 10: The Anti Anti-Aging podcast, where I'm trying not to focus on these things, but it just keeps coming up.
• 21:40
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I think I'm being disingenuous and I don't want to do that.
• 21:44
  Quite open mics at like 10: I want to be fully out there and fully transparent.
• 21:51
  Quite open mics at like 10: And the more I talk to my friends, I'm saying, okay, we can't just be all or nothing.
• 21:57
  Quite open mics at like 10: We can't be completely anti-aging if we are bothered by some things.
• 22:03
  Quite open mics at like 10: And, you know, I think that there is a difference between going full Kardashian and just having a little tweak about something that really bothers you.
• 22:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: What do you think?
• 22:17
  Quite open mics at like 10: Get my bum done next.
• 22:21
  Quite open mics at like 10: I know, but I think that since I mean and I think what I'm learning or what I'm coming to terms with is that for me, you know, looking good.
• 22:32
  Quite open mics at like 10: So being in the weights where I can fit into all of my clothes and don't have to buy a whole new wardrobe, getting my hair colored every six weeks, which is definitely coming to time.
• 22:48
  Quite open mics at like 10: But it isn't what I say.
• 22:49
  Quite open mics at like 10: It isn't vain. It isn't?
• 22:52
  Quite open mics at like 10: Oh, you know, look at a poor girl.
• 22:53
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know, socially conditioned.
• 22:55
  Quite open mics at like 10: It's what I want.
• 22:56
  Quite open mics at like 10: It's what makes me feel good.
• 22:59
  Quite open mics at like 10: And that's where I think I am.
• 23:01
  Quite open mics at like 10: That's where I think I'm landing.
• 23:02
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, I told you when I had the surgery done, and even before that, and even on the day of my surgery, the anesthetist comes around who looks exactly like Benedict Cumberbatch.
• 23:16
  Quite open mics at like 10: It was very disconcerting, but so, so even day he's like, oh, you're having a, you know, a up and down.
• 23:24
  Quite open mics at like 10: I'm like, yeah, but it's just it's just vanities, pure vanity.
• 23:27
  Quite open mics at like 10: And when we went back for Eric's procedure, they were like, oh, you know, you're back again.
• 23:33
  Quite open mics at like 10: I was like, yeah, but his is, his is I mean, I almost said his is real.
• 23:37
  Quite open mics at like 10: Mine's just vanity and I every time.
• 23:39
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I've been catching myself doing this over and over.
• 23:42
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I'm going to stop because vanity is such a sort of ugly word in the way that people perceive it.
• 23:50
  Quite open mics at like 10: But it's just about what makes you feel good.
• 23:54
  Quite open mics at like 10: And so as long as that's not the only thing that I do, and I don't stuff junk down my throat and I on the couch and do no exercise, it's just part of of looking good and feeling good.
• 24:09
  Quite open mics at like 10: So I kind of like that because I'm sick of I'm sick of having to explain it away or having people say, oh, but you know, you didn't need it.
• 24:19
  Quite open mics at like 10: Well, it's not really for you to say it right?
• 24:23
  Quite open mics at like 10: Right. That's okay. You can say that.
• 24:26
  Quite open mics at like 10: But you could say it in your quiet, in your head voice.
• 24:28
  Quite open mics at like 10: Like if you're saying that, you're almost negating what I'm trying to do because it's about me and my relationship with my face and my body when I look in the mirror, yeah.
• 24:39
  Quite open mics at like 10: I write. It's like.
• 24:40
  Quite open mics at like 10: No, I love your rants.
• 24:42
  Quite open mics at like 10: No, it's true, because why shouldn't we be able to feel good?
• 24:49
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I do feel conflicted because I have a lot of people who come on here.
• 24:55
  Quite open mics at like 10: I'm going to interview one this week.
• 24:57
  Quite open mics at like 10: Ashton Applewhite, and she wrote the book on ageism.
• 25:05
  Quite open mics at like 10: And this would be a very ages thing.
• 25:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: And so I feel very conflicted, but I feel that it's we need to explore all of it.
• 25:16
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know what I like?
• 25:17
  Quite open mics at like 10: I want to explore ageism.
• 25:19
  Quite open mics at like 10: I want to know when to catch it, how the how we're catching it, how to avoid it.
• 25:27
  Quite open mics at like 10: But that doesn't negate the fact that I still want to feel good and look good.
• 25:34
  Quite open mics at like 10: And if something's really bothering me that I want to change it now, I feel, well, I.
• 25:42
  Quite open mics at like 10: I almost shouldn't say this, but I feel like I let's just say everything.
• 25:46
  Quite open mics at like 10: Let's just say everything.
• 25:49
  Quite open mics at like 10: I do feel like there's a point, you know, if you have to fix every little thing, that's it.
• 25:57
  Quite open mics at like 10: Something else. Maybe.
• 25:59
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know, I feel like.
• 26:00
  Quite open mics at like 10: Not that you shouldn't be allowed to.
• 26:04
  Quite open mics at like 10: You should be able to be allowed to do whatever you want.
• 26:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: But I feel like if you fix every little flaw because there's going to be more of them coming and more of them coming, they might not necessarily be the healthiest thing.
• 26:21
  Quite open mics at like 10: Like, I feel like there has to be a certain amount of acceptance towards what do you feel the same way or what do you think I do?
• 26:29
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, I mean, I did think about that before I had this done.
• 26:32
  Quite open mics at like 10: I was like, oh, what is would it be opening up right here?
• 26:35
  Quite open mics at like 10: And already, you know, I got the top half of my she lays it sort of under my eyes so cheap because that's where all the discoloration was.
• 26:45
  Quite open mics at like 10: But the lower half of my face, you know, around my mouth and all of those lines, I mean, I see all the wrinkles.
• 26:52
  Quite open mics at like 10: They are there because the lasering didn't happen.
• 26:54
  Quite open mics at like 10: So will I go back later in the year and have the other the other half done?
• 26:59
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah, I probably do.
• 27:01
  Quite open mics at like 10: But that just that for me that's just sort of evening things out. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 27:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: But there's a lot of other stuff.
• 27:09
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean my right ear, you just my.
• 27:11
  Quite open mics at like 10: Security is sticky out here.
• 27:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: I forgot about that.
• 27:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
• 27:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: She's written, it starred in. So. Yes.
• 27:19
  Quite open mics at like 10: So exactly.
• 27:20
  Quite open mics at like 10: But I mean, I'm not going to I'm not going to do anything about that.
• 27:24
  Quite open mics at like 10: I'm just going to hold the resentment that I had from my parents for the rest of my life, that they never they never pinned it back.
• 27:31
  Quite open mics at like 10: I have a nose that I'm very concerned about because my Armenian heritage recently discovered, that I'm going to end up with this sort of a nose that looks like my Armenian father sort of spreading halfway across my face.
• 27:45
  Quite open mics at like 10: I know, but it's weird, but I'm not.
• 27:47
  Quite open mics at like 10: I'm not actually going to have that done.
• 27:51
  Quite open mics at like 10: So, yeah, there were still things that bothered me.
• 27:53
  Quite open mics at like 10: But I tell you, when I look in the mirror, I put makeup on. Now it's huge for me because it feels, yeah, it feels the way that I wanted it to feel like I'm really, really happy.
• 28:05
  Quite open mics at like 10: I have no regrets.
• 28:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: That's good about having this done and I'm not going to.
• 28:10
  Quite open mics at like 10: I can't see myself doing a lot of other things.
• 28:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: I just want to. I just want to be healthy.
• 28:17
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah, with the rest of my body. Like.
• 28:19
  Quite open mics at like 10: And that's important.
• 28:20
  Quite open mics at like 10: That's as important.
• 28:21
  Quite open mics at like 10: But yeah.
• 28:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: That's not what people see when they first meet you or look at you want to stage or in front of a camera or anything like that. Right?
• 28:31
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, that's the other thing that, you know, it just brings up so many issues because it is all ingrained in us.
• 28:42
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I when I was thinking about this, I remember something that I said to somebody, I was like 30 years old and she was probably 60 years old.
• 28:52
  Quite open mics at like 10: I want to I want to go back and kill myself.
• 28:54
  Quite open mics at like 10: No, not kill myself.
• 28:55
  Quite open mics at like 10: But I, my friend's older sister, like, she's much older than him.
• 29:02
  Quite open mics at like 10: I was 30 and she told me she was getting, I don't know what she said.
• 29:06
  Quite open mics at like 10: A facelift or something, and I just was so flip about it.
• 29:11
  Quite open mics at like 10: I just was like.
• 29:12
  Quite open mics at like 10: I was like, And she goes, what?
• 29:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: Because she thought I was going to be really happy about it for her.
• 29:18
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I just said, I don't know, I just feel like if you get your face done, it's going to make all the other 60 year olds feel bad.
• 29:25
  Quite open mics at like 10: And, you know, it's just not honest.
• 29:28
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I just remember she just looked at me and she didn't say anything, and she just like, stormed off like I knew, like, now I know what she was thinking.
• 29:36
  Quite open mics at like 10: She was just like this.
• 29:39
  Quite open mics at like 10: Get back to me in 30 years, which now it's been 30 years.
• 29:42
  Quite open mics at like 10: And like, okay, now I get it.
• 29:44
  Quite open mics at like 10: I'm sorry.
• 29:45
  Quite open mics at like 10: Patsy, if you're still around, I have no idea, but, Yeah, I shouldn't have said that.
• 29:49
  Quite open mics at like 10: It was judgmental.
• 29:51
  Quite open mics at like 10: It was immature.
• 29:53
  Quite open mics at like 10: It was.
• 29:54
  Quite open mics at like 10: I was shaming her.
• 29:55
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, like, I don't even know what I was.
• 29:58
  Quite open mics at like 10: I would just and I did I did really think that at the time I was like, oh my God, if these people would just all stop getting work done, then nobody would feel bad.
• 30:09
  Quite open mics at like 10: And and I still kind of think that's true, but here we are.
• 30:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: And that's not going to stop.
• 30:14
  Quite open mics at like 10: And. Well, yeah, but I mean, if we were now in our 30s or 20s or anything, we'd be getting all kinds of things done.
• 30:20
  Quite open mics at like 10: We'd be doing all of the preventative, preventative Botox that see that.
• 30:26
  Quite open mics at like 10: And that's what blows my mind to like, really, you starting, you know, Botox at 15 or 15 in your forehead.
• 30:35
  Quite open mics at like 10: Okay. But I mean, 20s or whatever.
• 30:37
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah, I know, I know a lot of people who do that.
• 30:41
  Quite open mics at like 10: I know younger people who do that.
• 30:42
  Quite open mics at like 10: And, you know, I don't know what to say.
• 30:44
  Quite open mics at like 10: Again, I don't want to I don't want to judge them, but I don't know.
• 30:48
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, it seems kind of I don't know, I mean.
• 30:53
  Quite open mics at like 10: I just I, it seems smart.
• 30:54
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, I don't like the things like fillers and stuff like that because I think as you age they, they can really create problems.
• 31:01
  Quite open mics at like 10: But, you know, maybe it's good that you're starting all of these.
• 31:05
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
• 31:05
  Quite open mics at like 10: That's part of a whole other beauty regimen then. No idea.
• 31:11
  Quite open mics at like 10: You're not going to get to 60 and have to go get your.
• 31:16
  Quite open mics at like 10: Level of.
• 31:17
  Quite open mics at like 10: Perfection.
• 31:19
  Quite open mics at like 10: I don't know.
• 31:20
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, well, you know, again, I don't want to judge what anybody's doing, but it is kind of moving more in that direction where people are getting more and more things done.
• 31:29
  Quite open mics at like 10: And it does put pressure like it puts pressure on people who absolutely can't afford to get a thing done.
• 31:36
  Quite open mics at like 10: That's not fair. Absolutely.
• 31:38
  Quite open mics at like 10: And it makes me you know, that's a whole other conversation.
• 31:42
  Quite open mics at like 10: But I mean, then what are those people do?
• 31:45
  Quite open mics at like 10: They don't get to feel better about themselves?
• 31:48
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, it's a whole.
• 31:50
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, that's a. Thing. Yeah.
• 31:51
  Quite open mics at like 10: But it's still for me, it still comes back to you.
• 31:53
  Quite open mics at like 10: I know, and I could and I could feel, you know, great.
• 31:56
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know, and I, I agree with you on that.
• 31:58
  Quite open mics at like 10: But I still come back to that. I that's not a reason for me not to do what I want to do. Right.
• 32:06
  Quite open mics at like 10: And it's selfish and I, you know, this whole sort of saying, this is what I want.
• 32:14
  Quite open mics at like 10: It's hard.
• 32:14
  Quite open mics at like 10: It's hard for me to say it's, you know, it's probably hard for a lot of us of this age and women to say this is what I want.
• 32:21
  Quite open mics at like 10: I'm doing this for me because I can, because I have the money to be able to do it. Yeah, I'm fortunate and I'm grateful for it, but I'm not going to apologize for it or make excuses for it or, you know, blame society for it.
• 32:38
  Quite open mics at like 10: It's it's it's just what I want.
• 32:42
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah. No.
• 32:43
  Quite open mics at like 10: It's true. You no.
• 32:46
  Quite open mics at like 10: No, I mean, you're right.
• 32:47
  Quite open mics at like 10: But also I know I guess I am blaming society.
• 32:52
  Quite open mics at like 10: Well, to some extent, just something.
• 32:55
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, we all had that, right? Right.
• 32:57
  Quite open mics at like 10: So, I mean, you and I were just talking before we started about aging and societal conditioning, and I was saying about this bizarre phenomenon of dressed like a grandparent day at school.
• 33:09
  Quite open mics at like 10: I have never heard it.
• 33:10
  Quite open mics at like 10: And you can, you can, you can Google.
• 33:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: I believe you miss out dressed like a grandparent.
• 33:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: Say they do it here in Austin and you can go to, you know, Party City or online and you can buy the dress like a grandparents outfit.
• 33:23
  Quite open mics at like 10: And it's literally little old gray haired curly wigs, little glasses, you know, a walker, you know, a little handbag on your arm.
• 33:33
  Quite open mics at like 10: The men have walking sticks.
• 33:35
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, it's and so. Yeah.
• 33:37
  Quite open mics at like 10: Is it funny? Yes.
• 33:37
  Quite open mics at like 10: When you see these little.
• 33:39
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah. It is funny to see a six year old like that, but it's.
• 33:43
  Quite open mics at like 10: Fake wrinkles on their face.
• 33:45
  Quite open mics at like 10: But it's not.
• 33:46
  Quite open mics at like 10: But that's for all of our talk about how much you're more enlightened.
• 33:51
  Quite open mics at like 10: We are in an about, you know, aging and you know, 60s and you whatever 70s and you we're giving these messages out to kids from a really young age that this is what aging and your grandparents look like.
• 34:05
  Quite open mics at like 10: It's nonsense.
• 34:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: That is nonsense.
• 34:09
  Quite open mics at like 10: And. Yeah.
• 34:09
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I've had a lot of guests like Doctor Ellen Langer.
• 34:12
  Quite open mics at like 10: You're the one who suggested I have her on. Right.
• 34:14
  Quite open mics at like 10: And she says like if you are a little kid and you have a grandparent who is aging really well, you're going to die.
• 34:21
  Quite open mics at like 10: That's going to be the idea that you have in your head, and you're going to expect that you're going to age well, and that's going to cause you to age well.
• 34:30
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know that you're going to hold that in your mind. It's so there probably is not the best thing grandparent day or whatever that's called.
• 34:38
  Quite open mics at like 10: I don't know, I, I don't know, it's it's just.
• 34:43
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, having worked in. Yeah.
• 34:45
  Quite open mics at like 10: And having worked in, you know, nursing homes and senior living communities, you know, it really frustrated me because, you know, as an activity director or a life enrichment director, it was all about, you know, getting people engaged and not just playing, you know, bingo or whatever and changing.
• 35:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: So I maybe obviously did like this.
• 35:11
  Quite open mics at like 10: Quite everybody like, but.
• 35:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: Thing wasn't the only thing that we did.
• 35:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know, it's not there's not one size fits all for aging.
• 35:21
  Quite open mics at like 10: No you're right. You're absolutely right.
• 35:24
  Quite open mics at like 10: What what do you like about aging.
• 35:34
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean there's a certain I, I sort of tread that line.
• 35:37
  Quite open mics at like 10: I have to be quite careful because like when I'm at the gym doing workouts with much younger people, there's a part of me, if I'm doing well, that sort of wants to go.
• 35:50
  Quite open mics at like 10: I'll be 60 next year.
• 35:54
  Quite open mics at like 10: God, please don't ever do that.
• 35:57
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, just sort of, you know, and I've known obviously so many you and my parents being so much older than so many people who do that, you know, I'm, I'm 85, you know, you're like, oh, congrats.
• 36:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: Good for you.
• 36:08
  Quite open mics at like 10: I'm sort of right on that couscous.
• 36:11
  Quite open mics at like 10: I'll be 60 and I'm still left in these weight.
• 36:16
  Quite open mics at like 10: So, but there is a certain amount of pride in being able to, you know, compete.
• 36:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: Still having a body that has not let me down because I started exercising a lot later in life.
• 36:29
  Quite open mics at like 10: Anyway, it wasn't part of my part of growing up.
• 36:33
  Quite open mics at like 10: So, I mean, I like I like that aspect.
• 36:35
  Quite open mics at like 10: Oh, that's not very much, is it?
• 36:42
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, yeah, aging.
• 36:44
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, I could sort of do the whole I mean, I don't know that I have that sense of not caring what people think about me because I still do.
• 36:55
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I'm not sure that I will ever lose that.
• 37:02
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I have mine that I think we should.
• 37:05
  Quite open mics at like 10: I don't want to be somebody who just doesn't give a toss about any of that.
• 37:08
  Quite open mics at like 10: I know a lot more.
• 37:12
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah, an awful lot more.
• 37:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I'm a lot more confident when I make decisions because I have a whole lot more experience to back me up.
• 37:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: So I like I like that part.
• 37:23
  Quite open mics at like 10: I like the knowledge.
• 37:24
  Quite open mics at like 10: I, I hate to use the, the wisdom word.
• 37:27
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I'm glad that I'm through menopause.
• 37:31
  Quite open mics at like 10: Oh, my God, I'm so glad you brought that up.
• 37:33
  Quite open mics at like 10: Okay, anybody who listens to this podcast knows that I'm just I have to bring it up every time that I haven't gone through menopause, and I'm almost 57.
• 37:42
  Quite open mics at like 10: You guys, I started going through menopause.
• 37:45
  Quite open mics at like 10: Hello.
• 37:47
  Quite open mics at like 10: Well, I need Gretchen.
• 37:47
  Quite open mics at like 10: Thank you, thank you.
• 37:49
  Quite open mics at like 10: So I just let me tell you what my experience has been.
• 37:53
  Quite open mics at like 10: It's been pretty much nothing.
• 37:55
  Quite open mics at like 10: I haven't had a period in, like, two months.
• 38:01
  Quite open mics at like 10: A little over maybe.
• 38:02
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah, maybe 8 or 9 weeks.
• 38:04
  Quite open mics at like 10: And, for me, that's like, I never missed a period.
• 38:08
  Quite open mics at like 10: I was, like, regular every 28 days, like clockwork.
• 38:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: And then.
• 38:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: So after I missed my first period, I started getting these little warm flashes.
• 38:21
  Quite open mics at like 10: They were just, okay.
• 38:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: I'm the kind of person who's always freezing, so it was like a warm.
• 38:26
  Quite open mics at like 10: My whole body was warming up, but it was a little annoying, but not too bad.
• 38:30
  Quite open mics at like 10: And, I started like just sleeping in.
• 38:33
  Quite open mics at like 10: I would sleep naked, except that my husband would never let me have a second piece.
• 38:38
  Quite open mics at like 10: So I was sleeping in, like, less clothes, like T-shirt and underwear.
• 38:43
  Quite open mics at like 10: And even then he's like, whoa, where's your pants?
• 38:45
  Quite open mics at like 10: I was like, get off of me! I was like, I'm having a warm flush.
• 38:50
  Quite open mics at like 10: And, so it was that went on for about a week, and I tried, doctor Barnard was on the show and he said, eat a half a cup of soy beans a day, and I did.
• 39:02
  Quite open mics at like 10: That didn't really help.
• 39:03
  Quite open mics at like 10: And then I had somebody else might also be Doctor Barnard who said, like a tablespoon or, maybe it is Doctor Shapiro, a tablespoon of ground flax meal or two tablespoons.
• 39:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: So I've been doing a tablespoon of ground flax meal every day in my oatmeal.
• 39:17
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I haven't had one little warm since.
• 39:20
  Quite open mics at like 10: And that was yeah. So I had warm flashes.
• 39:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: They weren't even hot.
• 39:24
  Quite open mics at like 10: Had warm flashes for like a week.
• 39:26
  Quite open mics at like 10: And then I've had no other symptoms.
• 39:28
  Quite open mics at like 10: Like I mean nothing and I don't know if it's going to continue like this.
• 39:34
  Quite open mics at like 10: I'm not bragging.
• 39:34
  Quite open mics at like 10: I'm just telling you what my my experience has been, and that I'm finally going through it.
• 39:39
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I finally feel like a grown up. So, I don't know.
• 39:45
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know, a few doctors on here have said if you do what I do, the whole food plant based diet, that you are more likely to have an easier menopause.
• 39:54
  Quite open mics at like 10: I don't know if that's true or not.
• 39:56
  Quite open mics at like 10: And also, I don't know if this is, you know, if it's going to change, but okay, so that's been my experience so far.
• 40:02
  Quite open mics at like 10: That's great.
• 40:03
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah, I know that you have access to all of that knowledge.
• 40:06
  Quite open mics at like 10: I didn't have anything and I didn't really again, sort of clearly this is a pattern with not necessarily doing a lot of research in advance, even though I claim that I do.
• 40:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: Like, I didn't really read a lot.
• 40:18
  Quite open mics at like 10: I didn't I didn't look for a lot of things.
• 40:21
  Quite open mics at like 10: So I don't know, I don't remember having I don't feel like I had a lot of the brain fog that people talk about, because I also don't feel like I maybe I still have, you know, I don't feel like I ever actually come out of that.
• 40:34
  Quite open mics at like 10: So perhaps it just still there and the weight gain was an issue.
• 40:39
  Quite open mics at like 10: I could round my stomach.
• 40:41
  Quite open mics at like 10: That was that was a problem. Yeah.
• 40:42
  Quite open mics at like 10: And that's I've always been able to run that off, exercise that off and I couldn't.
• 40:47
  Quite open mics at like 10: And that drove me mad. So that was hard.
• 40:50
  Quite open mics at like 10: But I didn't have any sort of hair loss or any of the other issues.
• 40:54
  Quite open mics at like 10: But yeah, the hot flashes, they were, they were pretty bad.
• 40:57
  Quite open mics at like 10: They were, they were every night.
• 40:59
  Quite open mics at like 10: How long did you, have symptoms and how long did it take for you to fully get through menopause?
• 41:05
  Quite open mics at like 10: Well, I don't know.
• 41:06
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, maybe, maybe a year won't be a year or say.
• 41:10
  Quite open mics at like 10: Well, they say that you have to go without having a period for a year period. But.
• 41:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
• 41:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: And so you didn't like stop and then start.
• 41:19
  Quite open mics at like 10: Have your period again. No.
• 41:20
  Quite open mics at like 10: I just know I can't have periods and then.
• 41:24
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah. And then that not nothing came back.
• 41:27
  Quite open mics at like 10: So for me it was, it was, it was more of a wait issue.
• 41:33
  Quite open mics at like 10: Maybe my moods were weird, but, you know, I never went to the doctor, and I never documented symptoms.
• 41:40
  Quite open mics at like 10: And sometimes I think that's just sort of how I go through life.
• 41:43
  Quite open mics at like 10: Well, you are British.
• 41:44
  Quite open mics at like 10: I just sort of stuff in nonsense there.
• 41:48
  Quite open mics at like 10: They make a big issue out of it.
• 41:52
  Quite open mics at like 10: So, yeah, you know, I never and I didn't have a lot of people to talk about it with either.
• 41:59
  Quite open mics at like 10: So sometimes with that you just. Yeah.
• 42:01
  Quite open mics at like 10: You do.
• 42:02
  Quite open mics at like 10: It is very British.
• 42:02
  Quite open mics at like 10: You do. Just get on with it.
• 42:04
  Quite open mics at like 10: Just get on with it.
• 42:05
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:06
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know what?
• 42:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: Now that you say, I think that I had symptoms before I started menopause because I lost a bunch of hair leading up to it.
• 42:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: And it went on for years, but I wasn't sure because it started during the pandemic and I thought I was just really stressed.
• 42:24
  Quite open mics at like 10: And then I had several years of being very stressed because I had a lot of stress with my mother being very sick.
• 42:30
  Quite open mics at like 10: And so I was like, I'm not really sure.
• 42:32
  Quite open mics at like 10: But looking back on it, I bet that the hair loss was related, you know, hormonally. Yeah.
• 42:39
  Quite open mics at like 10: But it stopped, thank God.
• 42:41
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know, as far as I mean, everybody softens up in the middle.
• 42:46
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, that just was kind of coming on for, for a while.
• 42:51
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, nobody has like, washboard abs at this age, like.
• 42:55
  Quite open mics at like 10: No, but there's a certain.
• 42:57
  Quite open mics at like 10: But that that belly fat that comes is a certain type of fat.
• 43:01
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, that's actually got a name right, that any of your doctors would.
• 43:05
  Quite open mics at like 10: Adipose. Is that it.
• 43:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: That's very specific.
• 43:08
  Quite open mics at like 10: And it is. Adipose.
• 43:10
  Quite open mics at like 10: Friendly maybe. I don't. Know.
• 43:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: I've heard that.
• 43:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: Before.
• 43:14
  Quite open mics at like 10: More difficult it's more it's just more difficult.
• 43:16
  Quite open mics at like 10: Like you just can't use your usual techniques right.
• 43:21
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean again. That. Yeah.
• 43:23
  Quite open mics at like 10: So anyway, what else.
• 43:26
  Quite open mics at like 10: What what else do we know?
• 43:28
  Quite open mics at like 10: Is there anything else that you want to talk about?
• 43:31
  Quite open mics at like 10: Would what what's your best piece of advice for aging?
• 43:34
  Quite open mics at like 10: Well. Oh, gosh.
• 43:37
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know, I think one thing I have learned is I've got older.
• 43:44
  Quite open mics at like 10: To go back to that question is to stop striving.
• 43:48
  Quite open mics at like 10: Like, I feel like my whole life.
• 43:51
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yes, career wise, exercise wise, you know, there's obviously some perfectionism in there, but it's like it's it's striving.
• 44:03
  Quite open mics at like 10: It's like, well, you know, you know, going to put in the work, you know, work really hard.
• 44:06
  Quite open mics at like 10: And that's how we were also, you know, brought up as well.
• 44:11
  Quite open mics at like 10: But I just feel like if I could just if I just let, let things be okay.
• 44:16
  Quite open mics at like 10: I read a lot of, the writer, Genevieve Davis, she was she goes by Sasha.
• 44:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: Her series of books is becoming magic.
• 44:26
  Quite open mics at like 10: And she has a academy.
• 44:27
  Quite open mics at like 10: Anyway, her whole thing is about just letting everything be okay, just sort of allowing stuff to happen and stop trying to push against it and to change the outcome.
• 44:38
  Quite open mics at like 10: And that has I mean, you talked about how you felt that I've changed over the past couple of years from who I absolutely.
• 44:46
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I think I think that's part of it.
• 44:50
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
• 44:50
  Quite open mics at like 10: I remember when I used to be training for stupid triathlons and marathons and everybody else, and one of the coaches, the name was Andrea Fisher, and she said, don't.
• 45:05
  Quite open mics at like 10: She's like, always change your face.
• 45:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: Like, don't make it look hard.
• 45:10
  Quite open mics at like 10: You don't want to look like you're suffering or striving too hard because, you know, it makes everybody else.
• 45:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: Well, you know, she's out in front, but she's suffering too.
• 45:18
  Quite open mics at like 10: Whereas if you put this sort of face on, it's like, all right, so pretty easy for me.
• 45:23
  Quite open mics at like 10: Like everybody else is like, well, what the heck.
• 45:25
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know, how they how she doing this?
• 45:27
  Quite open mics at like 10: Why she making it look so easy and it puts everybody else off.
• 45:30
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I've always sort of thought that was such a great piece of advice.
• 45:34
  Quite open mics at like 10: Like if you could just, you know, let go of this sort of grip and that everything's, you know, everything's a struggle, everything's so hard.
• 45:43
  Quite open mics at like 10: And a lot of that is our British mentality.
• 45:47
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know, you got to, you know, tough it out.
• 45:49
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
• 45:50
  Quite open mics at like 10: I said, you know you go to England and the weather's so crap that everybody's sort of hunched down battling against the elements.
• 45:56
  Quite open mics at like 10: Even if it's bright sunshine, because that's just who we are, our conditioning generalizing massively here.
• 46:03
  Quite open mics at like 10: But as a nation.
• 46:04
  Quite open mics at like 10: And so I you know, I obviously had to change when I came here, but that sort of letting go and finding an ease in things stuff, just stuff just opens up.
• 46:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: Stuff just happens, you know, that you're talking about, you know, with some of your projects when you just sort of believe that things will work out.
• 46:25
  Quite open mics at like 10: Right.
• 46:25
  Quite open mics at like 10: Table you you're not responsible for how it's going to happen that way.
• 46:30
  Quite open mics at like 10: It's not that you're not responsible, because obviously you have to put in the work, but there's a balance between, you know, expecting that you'll do well and you don't know how it's all going to happen, but it does.
• 46:41
  Quite open mics at like 10: Just believing that it will.
• 46:43
  Quite open mics at like 10: But yeah, you're a completely different person than when I met you 20 years ago.
• 46:47
  Quite open mics at like 10: You get cynical about how I used to be. You know, you just were very, driven, very, you were always like, you wouldn't miss a workout.
• 46:59
  Quite open mics at like 10: You were very regimented about your work.
• 47:03
  Quite open mics at like 10: And, you know, here you have this new business, your truly terrific tea company, and that it has been more, I feel like it's it's been very successful very quickly because you are more just, like, in the flow and just letting it happen.
• 47:21
  Quite open mics at like 10: Like you get out and you network and you do things and you do a great job.
• 47:26
  Quite open mics at like 10: And so that you have a lot of word of mouth, but it is just sort of more happening then you would have just been really pushing back in the day.
• 47:35
  Quite open mics at like 10: Oh, absolutely.
• 47:36
  Quite open mics at like 10: You would have been so frustrated. Yeah.
• 47:39
  Quite open mics at like 10: And so frustrated that things weren't happening the way that I wanted them to happen.
• 47:45
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know, this is on a like a daily basis, you know, but I where you know, why, why hasn't that check arrived or you know, why haven't this person written the review that they promised to do?
• 47:54
  Quite open mics at like 10: And and it's on my mind and I'm looping and I'm looping and then I get to the point where I'm like, okay, if it happens, it happens, but I am perfectly okay if it doesn't happen.
• 48:02
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, not so much with the check, obviously, but it does need to happen.
• 48:06
  Quite open mics at like 10: But, yeah, but other things.
• 48:08
  Quite open mics at like 10: And then it could be minutes later, hours or a day later and that thing just comes to pass a knife.
• 48:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I, I truly feel it's just because I just released the, the need for it to happen.
• 48:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: Now, British, me or British, anybody would kind of just say this was rubbish, nonsense.
• 48:29
  Quite open mics at like 10: So I still do have to battle that part of me.
• 48:32
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know, sometimes I think, well, if I ever said any of this to my brother, he would say, well, I don't know.
• 48:37
  Quite open mics at like 10: What would he do.
• 48:39
  Quite open mics at like 10: He you wouldn't.
• 48:40
  Quite open mics at like 10: Believe it to be saved by dumbfounded by me because I'm not because that's not the culture that I was brought up in.
• 48:46
  Quite open mics at like 10: But, But yeah.
• 48:48
  Quite open mics at like 10: So I'm happy.
• 48:49
  Quite open mics at like 10: So I'm a, I'm a lot I'm a lot happier.
• 48:50
  Quite open mics at like 10: I'm a lot more at ease.
• 48:54
  Quite open mics at like 10: So that's not a specific aging thing, but I.
• 48:57
  Quite open mics at like 10: Think it. Is.
• 48:58
  Quite open mics at like 10: If I'm like this now, then what if I'm not going to go back?
• 49:04
  Quite open mics at like 10: No, I do think it's an aging because I call it like a softening.
• 49:10
  Quite open mics at like 10: I feel like you have softened in a lot of ways and not in bad.
• 49:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, I mean, it's all in is a in a good way, like you're just, a softer, easier person.
• 49:23
  Quite open mics at like 10: Not that you weren't easy.
• 49:24
  Quite open mics at like 10: I've always enjoyed you, but I just think for for you like for me to observe you, that you feel, you know, more easygoing and and more accepting of things.
• 49:36
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I feel like that is an aging thing because I think that we have had enough experience that maybe we can trust more, that it's all going to work out, because we've been through these things a number of times now, or lessons or whatever they are, you know?
• 49:51
  Quite open mics at like 10: Right.
• 49:51
  Quite open mics at like 10: We've started a business or we've done something hard and we see that it usually works out the way we want or the way it's supposed to.
• 50:00
  Quite open mics at like 10: So yeah, and it's just so different from British conditioning, which is just to expect, you know, well, you can give it a try, but it's, you know, always expect the worst.
• 50:10
  Quite open mics at like 10: And that's and it's so but it is so ingrained these you know you're going to be the runner up. You're not going to be the winner.
• 50:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: And but you know you try you gave it a good try.
• 50:21
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
• 50:21
  Quite open mics at like 10: That's a that's a hard one to it's been a hard one to let go of.
• 50:24
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean I've been here for 25 years.
• 50:28
  Quite open mics at like 10: Oh, is that it?
• 50:29
  Quite open mics at like 10: I thought you were here longer than that.
• 50:32
  Quite open mics at like 10: Oh, God, that seems like a long time.
• 50:34
  Quite open mics at like 10: But I know, but I just thought that you had already been here for quite some time.
• 50:37
  Quite open mics at like 10: By the time I bet you.
• 50:39
  Quite open mics at like 10: Know, five years.
• 50:41
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah, I. Yeah. Well.
• 50:43
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah. What?
• 50:44
  Quite open mics at like 10: Oh, yeah. So I like that part anyway.
• 50:46
  Quite open mics at like 10: What, what lessons did you learn from watching your parents age?
• 50:52
  Quite open mics at like 10: Oh, gosh.
• 50:55
  Quite open mics at like 10: I don't know.
• 50:55
  Quite open mics at like 10: It's interesting with my parents because they were so much older, you know, because I was adopted and, you know, my mom was was 40, so huge difference in generationally, you know, in the way that they were brought up, you know, that sort of very old fashioned way.
• 51:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: But honestly, they were also, when I look back at it now, they were very, sort of live and let live people, you know, they didn't let us, you know, be snobby, about other people.
• 51:29
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know, my mom did a lot of, volunteer work, which is something that that I took on as well.
• 51:36
  Quite open mics at like 10: So she was very sort of into the the service elements, you know, and it's been said to me probably every episode of this that you do, you know, it's also about being kind.
• 51:46
  Quite open mics at like 10: They were very they were very kind people.
• 51:49
  Quite open mics at like 10: I never saw them, you know, get particularly angry.
• 51:52
  Quite open mics at like 10: They were never mean to anybody.
• 51:56
  Quite open mics at like 10: So those things, those kind of old fashioned values that I rallied against so much when I was a kid because I just thought they were so, you know, boring.
• 52:06
  Quite open mics at like 10: It's not what my it's not what my friends did.
• 52:10
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know, we had horrible old wooden antique furniture where my friends had all this modern white melamine, you know, fall apart.
• 52:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know, we had to have butter and everybody else had margarine.
• 52:25
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I wanted that, you know, all of these things that, that, that, that I really hated as a, as a child, I have now embraced, I mean, I lot, I think a lot of people kind of go back to the things that their parents did, but those, those sort of goodness values and kindness values, I recognize them a lot more now.
• 52:48
  Quite open mics at like 10: And it's and it's hard to recognize them once your parents are gone because you just can't go back, obviously, and you can't go back and say anything.
• 52:56
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
• 52:57
  Quite open mics at like 10: But physically they did not physically they did not age well at all.
• 53:02
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
• 53:03
  Quite open mics at like 10: That's probably one reason that you've been really adamant about your health and staying on top of, you know, your workouts and your health, maybe because you saw how they aged.
• 53:17
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
• 53:17
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, they were so relatively young.
• 53:19
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, my dad was, you know, my dad was only 76, but he just worked his whole life.
• 53:24
  Quite open mics at like 10: And then when he retired, he didn't really have anything.
• 53:30
  Quite open mics at like 10: And so he just deteriorated from then on.
• 53:32
  Quite open mics at like 10: And then of course, my mum had Alzheimer's, which, you know, her her mother did not. So that's just a lottery, I think.
• 53:43
  Quite open mics at like 10: So that took a lot of that took about 15 years away, from us that we should have had with her.
• 53:51
  Quite open mics at like 10: How old was she when she passed away?
• 53:54
  Quite open mics at like 10: 94. Oh, she was old.
• 53:56
  Quite open mics at like 10: I didn't realize she was so old.
• 53:58
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah, yeah.
• 54:01
  Quite open mics at like 10: But I.
• 54:02
  Quite open mics at like 10: But you're saying 15 years where she wasn't herself.
• 54:06
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah, well, she.
• 54:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: I thought you made 15. Years.
• 54:10
  Quite open mics at like 10: No, I mean, we diagnosed.
• 54:11
  Quite open mics at like 10: She was diagnosed.
• 54:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
• 54:14
  Quite open mics at like 10: I can't remember what year it was, but she had clearly had symptoms before that.
• 54:17
  Quite open mics at like 10: But we just didn't didn't we just didn't realize.
• 54:20
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah. Yeah.
• 54:21
  Quite open mics at like 10: So yeah physically they didn't.
• 54:23
  Quite open mics at like 10: But you know that that's a different that's a completely different generation.
• 54:26
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean she grew up you know my dad fought in the war.
• 54:29
  Quite open mics at like 10: My mum you know was a teenager.
• 54:31
  Quite open mics at like 10: She they went through rationing you know very very very different experience.
• 54:36
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah for sure. Same age as the Queen.
• 54:40
  Quite open mics at like 10: Your mom was the same age.
• 54:41
  Quite open mics at like 10: As the Queen. She like to say.
• 54:43
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah, it's the same year.
• 54:44
  Quite open mics at like 10: Is the Queen 19, 19, 27? Wow, wow.
• 54:48
  Quite open mics at like 10: Oh my gosh.
• 54:49
  Quite open mics at like 10: Well, is there anything else we should discuss I think that for me, I will still continue to try and do those things that scare me.
• 54:58
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, I think back like, that was such a big thing for me.
• 55:01
  Quite open mics at like 10: Like literally every year I had to have to do something that scared me.
• 55:07
  Quite open mics at like 10: So, you know, there was there was stand up, there was sky dives, there was the marathon, there were triathlons.
• 55:16
  Quite open mics at like 10: I took a trapeze class.
• 55:18
  Quite open mics at like 10: Oh, God, I remember that.
• 55:19
  Quite open mics at like 10: There was the scariest thing I've ever done.
• 55:24
  Quite open mics at like 10: I. Forgot about that.
• 55:26
  Quite open mics at like 10: So you did.
• 55:26
  Quite open mics at like 10: One woman plays a lot of screen shows. One.
• 55:30
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah. Festivals to me. I still do it.
• 55:33
  Quite open mics at like 10: It's changed a bit now because it's not necessarily something that actually scares me.
• 55:39
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know, where that adrenaline is, is pumping so hard, but it is that outside of the comfort zone, it is.
• 55:48
  Quite open mics at like 10: Getting up off the sofa and going out to some networking thing.
• 55:51
  Quite open mics at like 10: But I really, really don't want to go to that.
• 55:56
  Quite open mics at like 10: Sort of like we were saying, trust that it's going to be worth it.
• 56:00
  Quite open mics at like 10: Because as we get older, my fear is that the world starts getting smaller.
• 56:05
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I know that from, you know, when I used to do grocery shopping for Meals on Wheels clients or go deliver meals and their world had become so narrow and contained, you know, to the apartment or even just to a room in an apartment.
• 56:21
  Quite open mics at like 10: So they just didn't they didn't have any life beyond them.
• 56:25
  Quite open mics at like 10: That's what that's what worries me.
• 56:27
  Quite open mics at like 10: That's everything sort of just shuts down a bit and you just do the same things and you're in the same area.
• 56:35
  Quite open mics at like 10: And so anything that pushes you outside of that is important is important I think.
• 56:43
  Quite open mics at like 10: So I think that's good.
• 56:43
  Quite open mics at like 10: That's good advice.
• 56:45
  Quite open mics at like 10: I don't know what things I'll take on that.
• 56:48
  Quite open mics at like 10: I know I can't imagine what you're going to do next.
• 56:50
  Quite open mics at like 10: I think I did threaten to go and climb Mount Kilimanjaro, but.
• 56:55
  Quite open mics at like 10: I know that sounds terrible.
• 56:55
  Quite open mics at like 10: What about it?
• 56:58
  Quite open mics at like 10: It does sound a bit terrible, because I'll probably be one of those people that gets that sort of awful sickness that has to be carried or carried.
• 57:05
  Quite open mics at like 10: Down by a Sherpa.
• 57:08
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, it's a good story to tell.
• 57:10
  Quite open mics at like 10: I could probably make a.
• 57:12
  Quite open mics at like 10: One woman show out of it.
• 57:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: I do still think that that, so. Yeah, so but maybe something big, but it feels a little cliched to do it at 60.
• 57:22
  Quite open mics at like 10: It may have to be 61, just to be slightly perverse about it.
• 57:29
  Quite open mics at like 10: And then, I know you often ask about pieces of advice.
• 57:36
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
• 57:36
  Quite open mics at like 10: Your best piece.
• 57:36
  Quite open mics at like 10: Of advice is just say, let me have a piece of advice, but I did.
• 57:40
  Quite open mics at like 10: I do have to.
• 57:41
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I'm sure I've told you this before, but one of the greatest books that I ever read, was Susan Jeffers Feel the Fear and Do It anyway, which I need to.
• 57:50
  Quite open mics at like 10: Oh, yeah. Pull out again.
• 57:53
  Quite open mics at like 10: Because where it not for that book, then I would not have told my boyfriend of 12 years that I loved him, but was no longer in love with him on New Year's Eve, and then moved down in early January.
• 58:16
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, I can't blame it all.
• 58:17
  Quite open mics at like 10: He he, I think, probably still blames.
• 58:21
  Quite open mics at like 10: Susan Jeffers. For the ending of Susan Jeffers.
• 58:25
  Quite open mics at like 10: If you're still out there, perhaps a success story.
• 58:30
  Quite open mics at like 10: Story from my side.
• 58:31
  Quite open mics at like 10: Not so much from Liz.
• 58:32
  Quite open mics at like 10: But she probably worked.
• 58:34
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, at least he probably has somebody who loves him now, or he's alone.
• 58:38
  Quite open mics at like 10: He's not with somebody who resents him or doesn't love him.
• 58:43
  Quite open mics at like 10: But, you know, there's a thread.
• 58:44
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, do you follow this thread?
• 58:46
  Quite open mics at like 10: I started out talking about van and his whole, you know, if you don't fail, you're not interesting, right?
• 58:52
  Quite open mics at like 10: Like, clearly, subconsciously, I've realized that this whole sort of just taking a chance, like taking that risk and just doing it.
• 59:02
  Quite open mics at like 10: And if you fail, oh, well, at least you at least you tried.
• 59:08
  Quite open mics at like 10: You learn. It's kind of important.
• 59:10
  Quite open mics at like 10: I, it's very.
• 59:11
  Quite open mics at like 10: Feel the fear and just do it anyway. Yes.
• 59:14
  Quite open mics at like 10: I think that's so. It's an old book.
• 59:17
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
• 59:17
  Quite open mics at like 10: Clearly if you are talking about your old boyfriend, you've been married for how long have you been married to Eric?
• 59:25
  Quite open mics at like 10: Oh, 2016. Yeah.
• 59:27
  Quite open mics at like 10: So it's a book from the day.
• 59:30
  Quite open mics at like 10: But no, you're absolutely right.
• 59:31
  Quite open mics at like 10: I think that, and it goes back to, to what we were talking about at the very beginning as well, that at least we're just still trying to do stuff.
• 59:40
  Quite open mics at like 10: And that was what Andy said that he liked about me eventually that I, you know, didn't lose myself in the kids or just whatever things that you do that to lose yourself.
• 59:53
  Quite open mics at like 10: I fought against it because he kind of was trying not not he wasn't trying to be mean or trying.
• 59:58
  Quite open mics at like 10: He was just saying, like, these are the important things in life right now.
• 1:00:01
  Quite open mics at like 10: You have three little kids.
• 1:00:03
  Quite open mics at like 10: What are you doing? Yeah.
• 1:00:04
  Quite open mics at like 10: And I was like, I don't care.
• 1:00:06
  Quite open mics at like 10: Not that I don't care, but. I.
• 1:00:08
  Quite open mics at like 10: I still want to be a person.
• 1:00:10
  Quite open mics at like 10: I still want to be a person.
• 1:00:11
  Quite open mics at like 10: I want to do things.
• 1:00:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
• 1:00:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: I never thought about that, you know, at the time, but but yeah, you're right, you're right.
• 1:00:19
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, it's much easier for me, you know, having no kids, I have a lot more freedom.
• 1:00:26
  Quite open mics at like 10: My point is, I could go off and skydive and, you know, not worry if I.
• 1:00:32
  Quite open mics at like 10: If the parachute didn't open. No problems.
• 1:00:34
  Quite open mics at like 10: Just Eric.
• 1:00:35
  Quite open mics at like 10: Just means. Eric and the. Dog.
• 1:00:37
  Quite open mics at like 10: No missing.
• 1:00:39
  Quite open mics at like 10: No, I think I think you're right.
• 1:00:41
  Quite open mics at like 10: The the feel the fear and do it anyway.
• 1:00:43
  Quite open mics at like 10: That's good.
• 1:00:44
  Quite open mics at like 10: Good advice.
• 1:00:46
  Quite open mics at like 10: I think this was a good talk. Maggie.
• 1:00:46
  Quite open mics at like 10: Susan.
• 1:00:49
  Quite open mics at like 10: Thanks, Maggie. Thanks, Susan.
• 1:00:51
  Quite open mics at like 10: Well, I'm going to have to have you back.
• 1:00:52
  Quite open mics at like 10: We're going to have to have some some chats, some regular chats, because I think that, it is just good to to talk as honest girlfriends about these things.
• 1:01:04
  Quite open mics at like 10: Yeah.
• 1:01:04
  Quite open mics at like 10: And we, we haven't even talked about sort of, you know, diet and all of those things.
• 1:01:09
  Quite open mics at like 10: You know, it's just still those are still important to me.
• 1:01:13
  Quite open mics at like 10: But I think when you have the foundation, when you have that right, you know, you start looking at what else can I tweak.
• 1:01:23
  Quite open mics at like 10: But yeah, I'll get in touch if, if I let you know if I'll do a live feed from, Kilimanjaro.
• 1:01:31
  Quite open mics at like 10: Can you do a live feed from Kilimanjaro?
• 1:01:33
  Quite open mics at like 10: Who knows?
• 1:01:34
  Quite open mics at like 10: I don't think that you can.
• 1:01:37
  Quite open mics at like 10: They don't. I don't think that's concern.
• 1:01:39
  Quite open mics at like 10: Well, I think there's easier.
• 1:01:40
  Quite open mics at like 10: I think there's easy routes.
• 1:01:41
  Quite open mics at like 10: I mean, there's people that sort of go up there pushing, you know, prams and saying, no.
• 1:01:46
  Quite open mics at like 10: That's not true.
• 1:01:48
  Quite open mics at like 10: So you haven't done your research.
• 1:01:51
  Quite open mics at like 10: I'm saying there is an easier routes.
• 1:01:53
  Quite open mics at like 10: I may be slightly exaggerating, but I will I will look into it.
• 1:01:57
  Quite open mics at like 10: All right. Let me. Know. Of course, I'd have to take the very hard route.
• 1:02:00
  Quite open mics at like 10: You're going to take the hard route, maybe the medium route, now that you've softened.
• 1:02:05
  Quite open mics at like 10: Chichi.
• 1:02:06
  Quite open mics at like 10: All right, all right. Thank you, Maggie.
• 1:02:08
  Quite open mics at like 10: Thank you.
• 1:02:09
  Quite open mics at like 10: Bye bye bye.
• 1:02:12
  Quite open mics at like 10: Thanks for listening, friend.
• 1:02:14
  Quite open mics at like 10: From my heart to yours.
• 1:02:15
  Quite open mics at like 10: Be well. Until we meet again.