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Bonus Episode - The Retirement Plan · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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  Oh God. Oh my God.
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  Nick, I think you have the better face for Ron Perlman.
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  Yeah, I do have a large head.
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  Well, also, you can do better faces than me.
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  I figured I could just do cage.
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  That's not a hard face.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  Welcome to a special episode of Cage Match,
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  Colin Aron, about way of meeting Nicholas Cage,
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  Aron de Bout.
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  Aron de Bout.
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  Aron de Bout.
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  Way of meeting Nicholas Cage.
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  I am Sean here with Nick.
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  I'm Nick and Peter, producer Peter.
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  Hi.
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  And we are doing a quick little episode
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  about Nicholas Cage's new movie, The Retirement Plan,
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  which did come out a couple of weeks ago.
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  But I was in Portland.
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  Yeah. And you were in Florida.
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  It had a really weird release situation
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  where it was supposed to come out like a month earlier
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  and then didn't. Yeah, I got punted out
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  for the next month. Confusing reasons.
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  I who knows what happened.
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  I'll never understand what happened
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  with the release of that movie.
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  Yeah. And then it came out.
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  And did you see it opening night or opening day?
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  Yeah, I caught a matinee of it on opening day.
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  Croud of theater packed.
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  All by myself, which was great for taking notes and laughing.
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  But not great for box office numbers.
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  Yeah. And I saw it with one person.
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  So, yeah, I saw it with two people there.
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  But that was Nick and Josie. Yeah.
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  It's it's kind of a shame, I feel like.
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  I don't know if it was just a lack of marketing or something, but.
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  I mean, it's got no marketing,
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  but it got a theatrical release.
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  Like they put some clout behind it.
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  I mean, we have no this movie was coming out
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  if we didn't do this podcast.
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  No. All right, then.
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  Which is too bad, because honestly,
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  the premise of it is pretty funny.
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  Yeah, there's this couple who are trying to get out of like shitty gang life.
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  Like the husband's a driver for a mobster.
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  So he steals a thing and the hard drive.
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  Yeah, hard drive. It's a flash drive.
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  And or a desk.
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  So he steals a thing, a hard drive.
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  And in the process gets caught.
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  The wife ends up getting the hard drive
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  and their daughter out to her father's house,
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  which happens to be Nicholas Cage, villains pursue Nicholas Cage rebuffs.
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  And it becomes like this big action comedy.
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  Lots of just like humorous encounters with bad guys
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  such as Jackie Earl Haley and Ron Perlman.
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  Jackie Earl Haley in his most mumbly role since Rorschach.
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  Yeah, I enjoyed his just like very hot temper in this movie.
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  He was on edge the whole time, but also just like the shaved head
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  and the goatee with his sweet like crime jacket and club shirt.
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  Oh, my God.
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  Can we put this in the upper echelons of crime jackets like this?
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  This is one of the best crime jackets I've ever seen.
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  Like the alligator like jacket.
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  Yeah, it was resplendent.
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  Great performance by Jackie Earl Haley.
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  Ron Perlman, just the dopey.
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  That's Bobo.
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  Yeah.
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  Terrific.
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  I enjoyed him a lot.
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  His posture in this movie just made me feel like it was some kind of cartoon
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  the whole time. How big is Ron Perlman?
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  I don't know.
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  How boy-sized.
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  Oh, OK.
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  That's a measurement I know.
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  I did say this when you were watching it last night, though.
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  Ron Perlman looks so much weirder when he's not covered in prosthetic makeup.
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  He looks more like more of a muppet.
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  Yeah, he's an odd shape of person.
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  He's an odd cut of man.
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  Yeah.
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  So I've just found three different heights and weights for him, and I don't
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  think that any of them can possibly be accurate.
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  Oh, he's on the Donald Trump scale.
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  Yeah, he's anywhere from 511 to 611 and anywhere from, I don't know,
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  183 pounds to question mark.
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  183 seems light.
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  It seems light.
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  That's my weight.
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  My weight.
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  Yeah.
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  So like Debbie putting on the short side, 30 pounds on me and I'm not Ron Perlman-esque.
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  So wait, I mean, that's mostly head though.
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  You got a maximum.
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  That's my height and your weight.
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  That's not right.
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  No, that chance.
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  No.
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  Who else was in the cast?
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  Oh, Ernie Hudson, Ashley, something, something.
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  Ashley Green from like the Twilight series plays Ashley.
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  Yeah, Ashley Ashley.
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  She was the weakest performance.
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  Do you think they just gave her character the same name as her because she kept
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  getting confused?
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  Who am I?
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  Her character also had the least like meaningful screen time.
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  Even Hector had better screen time moments or Christopher.
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  Which one was Christopher?
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  Christopher was the like final top tier backstabbing dude.
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  OK, the dude that comes in at the end and like they give him the thing.
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  Oh, sure.
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  This movie has about too, too many put betrayals in it.
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  Yeah, the chain of betrayal.
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  Yeah.
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  Everybody's like hooked on to somebody else.
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  But not in a compelling way, like Burn after reading her clue, where like the
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  absurdity of how many people are stabbing each other in the back is interesting.
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  No, this is just like presented very business as normal.
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  Yeah, it's a CIA thing.
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  Yeah, I really did like the and organized crime.
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  Like kid performances are usually pretty fucking mid overall.
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  But Talia Campbell as Sarah, I thought did a really good job.
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  Yeah, I liked her football shirt.
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  Just football.
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  Do you like football?
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  I like football.
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  I want to be a quarterback.
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  I wanted her to say I want to be a football.
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  I love some of those lines.
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  I love football.
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  I want to be football.
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  Her interactions with Ron Perlman are fucking great.
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  You've got to admit that they are.
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  Ron Perlman is a gem in this movie.
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  Watching Nick Cage get to just full on tackle like body.
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  Ron Perlman was a lot of fun to watch.
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  Like, oh, one of you probably broke a hip there.
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  Yeah, this is so old.
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  Still so much better than like an Expendables movie, though.
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  I don't think we got to the like actual premise because I kept
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  interrupting of Nick Cage being a retired assassin.
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  Right. That's kind of like the key key part of the entire thing.
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  They said he's able to kill motherfuckers real real well.
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  As long as the camera is shaking and not focusing on the action.
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  Don't worry about that.
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  You know, I've honestly seen worse fight scenes from younger people recently.
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  No, it's true.
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  People also die real easy in this movie.
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  I loved in the boat scene, the boat fight with Ernie Hudson,
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  just like how many bodies fall in the water.
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  Oh, yeah, there were 10 bad guys.
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  Yeah. 10 bad guys go down in that fight.
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  Oh, what was it in the hallway when they're like trying to get into the room?
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  You just have the wide range of like varying goons.
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  My favorite goon is definitely goon who can't put his arms down.
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  Because he's so so yoked.
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  Just so fucking beefed out.
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  He's just standing there like, oh.
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  He like to turn his head.
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  He kind of does the Michael Keaton Batman where he just turns his whole body
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  because his neck is just one big muscle.
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  Yep. As we all know, a strong boys.
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  Yeah.
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  Little buff boys over here.
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  OK, so what did you think of Cage's performance overall, though?
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  I thought it was a lot of fun.
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  I mean, it's goofy.
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  It's super lighthearted.
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  I did love when his granddaughter keeps asking him why he has two names.
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  His response is, I'll tell you over a beer some day.
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  The charitable way of reading that is when you're older,
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  but he probably means tomorrow.
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  Yeah, he was going to give her a beer for sure.
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  And then in the next scene when they're having breakfast,
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  she admonishes him for offering a child a beer.
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  Yeah, he wanted to tell the story.
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  He's a lot of fun on those.
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  He's he's wacky.
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  He's got the Gary look too.
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  Right. He's got the Gary look.
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  He's just a Cayman Island beach bum retired from the CIA.
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  And it the movie doesn't give us a whole lot of like
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  plot. I mean, the but it's enjoyed granddaughter's kind of the exposition machine.
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  She keeps it all like moving forward.
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  Yeah. I mean, I agree with Sean that I think there's a little too many like
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  Chris Cross, double cross, double, double cross, which is if it's a double,
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  double cross, it's just not across.
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  Yeah, two double like two double crosses.
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  It's an uncross. Yeah.
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  That's like two negative positive.
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  And parallel lines.
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  Which are not crossed at all.
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  No, not even sort of crossed.
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  And they never will be.
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  No, it could have done with just the one double the one mole.
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  You know, and actually, I think like Hector's character,
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  there's no real big reason for that other than the set piece,
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  the big fucking mansion to have a shootout.
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  Because she's supposed to be Jack Earl Haley's boss, but Jack
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  kills her. It gets messy at the end.
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  Jack Earl Haley didn't kill her.
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  Yeah, he shoots her.
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  He shoots her in the head.
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  And then he gets shot by Christopher, right?
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  Yeah. And then he gets shot.
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  Yeah. And then he gets shot by that. Like the whole thing was too muddy
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  at the end, even with two re like two watches.
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  It's like, oh, also spoilers.
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  I mean, whatever. Spoiler.
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  I watch. You know what?
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  If you wanted to if you wanted to know what the plot of this movie is,
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  you would have gone and seen it, you fucks.
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  Yeah, which no one did.
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  It was a great movie, though.
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  It was a lot of fun.
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  I do want to point out, I haven't seen Ernie Hudson in a while.
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  And him and Nick Cage are supposed to play like old army buddies.
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  You assume around the same age.
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  Ernie Hudson's 19 years older than Nicholas Cage.
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  And looks a lot better than Nicholas Cage.
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  Ernie Hudson looks good.
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  Well, they had an age up Nick Cage, and I'm sure they died.
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  Ernie Hudson's hair a little darker.
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  But we got to see the band from Nicholas Cage's wig when he's
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  coming out of the water.
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  You can see his wig band.
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  And also, there's a lot of shooting into and out of water in this.
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  And I've watched enough myth, myth busters now.
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  That's not how that works.
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  It's not the best way to have a gunfight.
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  Yeah. I mean, the whole thing, it's like it's fun.
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  It's popcorn like you have a good time watching it.
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  It's explosions, it's gunfights.
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  Every motherfucker gets killed.
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  The guy who gets a flare flare gun to the mouth.
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  Oh, yeah. No.
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  And there's lots of like entertainment.
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  It's very comical. Yeah.
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  That's the thing. It's a comedic action movie.
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  Nick Cage hiding with his daughter and Ron Perlman,
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  who is kidnapped, the granddaughter being in like the like hotel rooms next to each other.
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  Yeah, it's classic.
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  Oh, they're out on the balcony right now and switch.
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  Yeah. New phone call.
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  You also notice that no one ever pays the cab drivers in this movie.
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  They just get out of the cab.
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  That's how it works in Cayman Islands.
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  I don't know. It's directly tied to your Cayman Island checking account.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, that actually makes a lot more sense.
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  I don't think that is.
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  I was confused because I didn't.
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  This is on me.
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  I didn't expect the Cayman Islands to have taxi technology
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  that included vans with self closing doors.
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  Because every time somebody got out of a taxi,
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  the taxi would just start backing away.
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  And I'd be like, nobody shut that door.
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  And then at one point I see self shutting door.
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  And like, many vans have come a long way.
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  Yeah, it's true.
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  Even the Cayman Islands have self shutting taxi doors.
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  Now, see what you have to do is you drive really fast and you slam on the brakes.
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  Oh, OK. Slides the door shut.
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  I've never owned a minivan.
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  So this is I can tell.
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  Well, OK, so overall, what do you guys think?
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  Venn diagram.
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  I think this is good cage, good movie.
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  I mean, I think it's mid across, but it's a lot of fun.
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  It's good for what it is.
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  It's exactly what I was hoping.
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  It is not my least favorite film of his this year.
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  It's a late summer fun movie because he needed something to carry us over
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  from one film to another.
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  He's only putting out five films this year.
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  I know, right?
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  Six films, six films, six films, right?
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  We've watched four already.
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  That's right.
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  Well, I keep forgetting Butcher's Crossing.
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  Yeah, that is coming out this year, right?
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  October 24th.
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  And then dream scenario.
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  What is that early November?
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  November, or 10th or something.
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  So good year for cage.
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  Well, I mean, not monetarily, but good for putting out.
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  Good news number. I mean, he got paid.
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  He got paid for these roles and he had some pretty well budgeted movies
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  like Renfield. I feel like that got a lot of love.
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  I still maintain that sympathy for the devil is an excellent film.
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  It's a really good movie.
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  I don't think enough people got a chance to see it.
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  It's a real power year.
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  And I saw somebody complaining online recently about how they thought
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  the dark days of Nicholas Cage doing shitty movies was over.
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  I was real close to just coming back with like, motherfuckers,
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  putting out six movies this year.
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  How high are your expectations when somebody puts out six movies in a year?
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  Literally every other month of the year
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  could have a Nicholas Cage film release.
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  Well, and then starring film.
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  Yeah. And what is the expectation of him?
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  He's not going to be a romantic comedy lead at this point.
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  It's like he is of an age that he has to play a different kind of character.
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  Like he's set into his own new bubble.
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  Yeah, like from 2024, he's had some really good movies.
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  A lot of like Art House and like Dark Horse movies.
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  If you're getting a theatrically released Nicholas Cage movie
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  expected to be like the studios know Nicholas Cage draws X amount of star appeal.
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  I look to his independent movies, I think more for his best performances.
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  Well, he would say the same thing, too.
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  I mean, he he's going to put something different on those.
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  And the reason he's doing them for I'm certain less money than he is worth
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  is because he gives a shit about it.
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  He thinks the script is good or the character is interesting.
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  Or, you know, you you're going to get something more out of it
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  because a person gives a shit more than a paycheck.
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  Yeah. And I mean, we're looking at he looks drastically different.
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  All six of these films. Definitely.
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  There is a transition from like he's not just playing.
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  He's not just Nick Cage in all these films.
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  Less thoughts or go watch it. It's fun.
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  You go watch it. Yeah. If you can.
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  Retirement plan or watch it when it comes on streaming.
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  But give it some love. I'm glad it exists. Me too.
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  Oh, super final spoiler. What happened to the husband?
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  Nobody knows. They probably killed Jeremy.
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  Jackie Earl. Haley did it.
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  All right. Cool. Thanks.
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  Yeah. Thanks for listening, everybody. Yeah.
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  You are interested in supporting us.
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  We are on Patreon at Cage Match.
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  And thank you to our sparkle buddies, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt and Adam
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  and our cage dancers, Ira, John Freeman and Lance.
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  If you want to shoot the shit with us, we are on Reddit at Cage Match pod
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  and Instagram at Cage underscore match underscore pod.
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  Woohoo. I did it. Bye. Bye.
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  We'll put it. We'll put a picture of me, Nick and I side by side.
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  These are beautiful football stats.
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  You can understand what that means.
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  Yeah, well, it's going to be the rookie football photo, like shirtless in our drawers.
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  Or we're supposed to bring drawers today. No.
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  My first car was a minivan.
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  Nice. Did you get laid in it? No.
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  Disappointing. Even I got laid in a minivan.
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  Was it mine?
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  Was it mine? Yes.