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Are Drugs REALLY That Bad? | MindSets Podcast | Episode 59 · The MindSets Podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to another episode.
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  Today I'm joined again by Charles for episode 59.
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  We are absolutely motoring through these now.
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  We are. How are you doing?
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  I'm, I'm very good. I'm excited to be here.
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  We've got some consistency on the podcast.
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  I know for the first time in a very.
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  Long so the listeners and viewers will be very pleased,
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  I'm sure. Indeed, the reels are going to
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  come out. We're going to continue to
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  cancel ourselves on your behalf, especially seeing as you guys
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  are now writing in with what grinds your gears and we're just
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  going to take the Flack for it. So I appreciate you for that, I
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  think. But today, we've got 2 further
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  topics to talk about. We're going to dive straight in
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  Harder fun. Terrible.
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  So good. We're going to talk about the
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  Enhanced Games because this has been extremely controversial in
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  the fitness space for the last couple of weeks and we think
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  that means it's a good thing for us to weigh in on for sure.
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  For those that aren't aware, you can look this up on YouTube.
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  The Enhanced Games put out a video where an Aussie swimmer,
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  James Magnuson, you got it, decided to take on the challenge
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  of breaking the 50m freestyle swimming record, which was 20.91
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  seconds. And he decided to do that in a
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  bet, essentially, that he could do it within six months of
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  training if he was on all the gear that he had access to.
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  And he wanted 1,000,000 Aussie dollars for doing that.
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  And the Enhanced Games were like, yeah, we backed this.
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  We'll make a documentary out of it.
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  And so I would thoroughly recommend going and watching
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  that. What was your opinion of what
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  they made as a documentary on it?
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  I've got so much to talk about and I'm, I'm glad this came up
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  and I think there's so many controversy or controversial
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  points that we can discuss. But just the first thing that
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  jumped out at me watching this documentary was how good shape
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  that guy got in. And like, that guy was in
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  incredible shape. So for reference with the
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  beginning of the video, for those that haven't seen it or
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  for a reminder that those that have, there was a podcast that
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  was going on in Australia and one of them happened to be
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  friends with James. The swimmer called him up and
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  said do you reckon you could break the world record if you
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  were on gear? And he was like, yeah.
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  Now he had been out of swimming at this point competitively for
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  seven years. He was a former Olympian and
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  quite successful swimmer. So he took it on and within that
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  six months they put him on. Well, we don't know.
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  This is something we're going to talk about.
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  They put him on a bunch of stuff.
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  He was able to then train twice a day without feeling the
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  fatigue of training, he was saying.
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  Yeah, he said something like he'd train twice a day for 30
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  days straight. Yeah, like swimming and then
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  land training or in the gym basically.
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  And just felt fine. And in the end, he almost, I
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  mean, I don't think he's become a meme, but he very nearly
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  became a meme because he was wearing that speed suit, which
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  really was quite tight in areas, and his lats just made him look
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  like a tortoise shell. Yeah.
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  Yeah, he's looked gigantic. Looked like an absolute weapon.
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  But he's like a big dude anyway. And then but it's it's
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  interesting because obviously if you watch the documentary, he's
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  was saying how actually that extra muscle mass became
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  detrimental to his performance in the pool.
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  Big time and you can kind of see that when he when he's getting
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  ready. So there's this big build up you
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  kind of see him going through his training.
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  He's with an elite swimming coach.
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  They give him pretty much everything he could possibly
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  need to achieve this. And then they get him into the
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  pool. And just before he gets in the
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  pool, you can just see this absolute behemoth of a man who's
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  about to go and tear the water apart.
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  And if I'm being completely honest, and I'm sure James is
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  listening to this, it was a little bit disappointing at the
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  time that he was actually putting down because again, we
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  said the world record is 20.91 seconds, which is what he was
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  aiming to be. And I think his first attempt
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  was like 20 point 21.3. Or I think it was slower, it was
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  like 23. 23 something, so he was like a lot off.
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  So they went again and he wasn't that much faster and then it was
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  all quite underwhelming. But then, but then what we
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  didn't know at the time really was that they drafted in this
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  guy Christian Christians is from a Greek heritage who's also
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  former competitive swimmer had I think it's like.
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  Greek. Hungarian.
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  Yeah, I think so. His his surname, I don't want to
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  embarrass myself by pronouncing it, but Charles told me that it
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  was golomive. That's the only time I'm going
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  to say it. Thank you, Charles.
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  We'll we'll refer to him as Christian.
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  We'll just refer to him as Christian.
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  He then got in the pool and he had been doing, I think at that
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  point some like 3 or 6, three, six weeks of the same program
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  and they just brought him in and they just decided to show this.
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  It felt like on the documentary that he was going to have a
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  crack at it to sort of see his bed, but.
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  Like he'd been swimming up until much more recently.
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  I think he was at the Paris Olympics and could come like
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  fifth in the final for. 53 he was he was clearly an elite
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  swimmer, but slightly less out of touch with it and a bit
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  younger. And he got in the pool to
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  benchmark himself for when his test came along at the end of
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  his 12 week program and just broke the world record.
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  Just straight away beat it by .02 of a second.
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  But for the fact that obviously his benchmark was like.
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  Yeah, it was 2/10, wasn't it? Wow.
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  OK, this is this is serious. And all of a sudden there was
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  this like gravity of actually, yeah, clearly this enhanced
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  stuff works because at first, I mean, I was there debating,
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  well, this guy has done 12 weeks of gear, was an elite swimmer,
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  has clearly got the athleticism at some point in his genes to do
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  this and didn't even get close. Yeah, I think there's a few
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  things you want to touch on because I think when you watch
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  that documentary and you read about the enhanced games, what
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  they're trying to demonstrate is that they can take anyone from
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  any age essentially. And that's that's like the real
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  shock factor when like a 33 year old or a 31 year old can still
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  break world records, whereas maybe you might associate world
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  record-breaking with someone slightly younger.
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  We look at younger swimmers coming into the Olympics and
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  breaking world records. So there's obviously that factor
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  of why maybe James didn't break the world record after having
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  done all of this immense training and like all of this
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  doping essentially, or performance enhancing drugs.
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  The other thing, if you rewind all the way back to the start,
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  when they're talking on the podcast, they phone James up and
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  they're like, do you reckon you can just take a collegiate level
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  swimmer or someone who's a good swimmer and put them on this
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  program and get a world record? And he was categorically, no,
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  you like you need to have at least some experience in high
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  level performance in the sport. You need like skill acquisition,
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  you need experience racing. And then the other thing like
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  you need to have mental fortitude and resilience to the
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  level and volume of training that you're doing.
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  So for me, it's it's mental because you're taking an elite
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  level swimmer anyway. It's not like you're taking me
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  and you're filling me for the drugs, throwing me in the pool
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  and I can do a world record. So I'm kind of like, these guys
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  are elite anyway, obviously. So I mean, there's lots of
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  layers to it, but it's like for me just, yeah, there's there's
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  some a lot of skepticism around it and like cynicism, which kind
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  of filters into unenhanced sport as well.
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  This guy was doping and only broke the world record by 2/10.
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  Well, let me just Fast forward to the end of the documentary.
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  If you are planning, if you're planning on watching this, then
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  press the skip ahead button for like 30 seconds because I'm
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  going to tell you what happens at the end of the documentary.
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  This is your final chance. 321. OK, So what happens at the end
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  of the documentary is we finish the training block and he gets
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  back in the pool and he's actually slower.
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  So he ends up, I think it was a few technique things that he was
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  doing wrong. But when he was trying to get to
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  the line and was he was reaching for it, he wasn't continuing to
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  paddle through the line. And he ended up getting within
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  about 2/10 of it again. But not not 2/10.
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  Sorry. Two.
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  Yeah, 2/10, obviously it was like 21.1 is the closest he got
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  to it, but he didn't break it again and it just wasn't his
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  day. They tried again the next day,
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  still not his day. And that's kind of where it
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  finished, which is a bit disappointing.
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  But it kind of rounds off to the fact that it is very dependent
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  on how you are on a specific time in your training.
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  And again, kind of points, the fact that you have to be elite
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  to even get there. And even if you are doing all of
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  these different things and you're doing all of this elite
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  training for a period of time, it's not guaranteed that you're
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  going to beat a world record that is at the pinnacle of the
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  sport. But then this is something you
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  want to talk about without completely offending the entire
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  elite athletic community. But it does make you question.
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  Yeah, it has to like, and I, I go, I go, my mood switches and
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  my opinion changes pretty frequently.
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  But I'm definitely cynical and definitely sceptical with elite
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  level sport. And you, you flick through the
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  because actually there's there were two, the two different
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  world records. There's the Super suit world
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  record when it was legal to swim in these kind of like, I don't
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  know, neoprene suits, They then got banned.
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  And then there's obviously the JAMA world record where you're
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  just swimming in basically trunks.
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  But yeah, so it's hard to overlook the fact.
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  And, and again, I appreciate that at the elite level of the
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  sport, there's such fine margins when you're breaking world
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  records, like 110th, 2/10 is in, in theory, not long, not a big
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  amount of time, but actually to shave that time off is huge.
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  And it takes a lot of effort to do that.
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  I appreciate that at the top level of sports, like it's much
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  easier to go from, if we use a running example, go from like 30
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  minutes and a 5K down to 20 minutes.
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  It's easier to shave off 10 minutes than it is to go from
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  like, I don't know, 16 minutes down to like 1550, like to take
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  off those 10 seconds. It's easier to, so as you get
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  closer and closer to the elite level, it's, it's harder to
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  shave that time off. But you scroll through the
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  comments of that documentary and you're looking at people saying,
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  well, it just makes it even more impressive the fact that these
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  unenhanced Olympians are setting such fast world records.
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  I'm like, there's no way. There's no way they're not on
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  something that's helping improve their recovery time, their
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  tolerance to training and whatever.
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  Like there's there's in my mind, there is no way.
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  And it takes me back to there's a documentary on Netflix which
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  was looking into the serious doping issues that athletics had
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  in the 90s and the 19 thousands. And I remember there was one guy
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  who has become extremely famous for and has it's cost him a lot
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  of money. And I think he's done jail time
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  over it as well with the fact that he was helping elite
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  athletes get hooked up with the right sort of drugs that they
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  needed. But he has made it abundantly
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  clear. And his underlying message was
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  even now, if you think they're getting better with the drug
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  protocols, that's because they are still so far behind.
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  Sure. Like, there are so many
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  different methods that athletes have.
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  And the science is evolving so quickly.
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  I mean, we're looking, if we literally look at like
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  technology, how everything's got AI now, I reckon that 90% of
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  people could probably go and speak to ChatGPT about how, what
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  could a new form of drug look like and how could I beat the
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  system? And you'd get a pretty good
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  response. And I'm not saying it would
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  guarantee to work on both ends in that you're going to get away
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  with it and it's going to boost your performance.
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  But more and more people are getting more and more access to
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  the knowledge that they need to be able to build these things.
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  And it's getting more and more difficult.
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  So from my side, I actually think positively the enhanced
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  games as a sort of an organization because, and that
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  this also comes from where I'm like, I want to see the true
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  potential of the human body. And I do understand and I
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  completely agree with as well on a personal level being natural.
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  I think that that is the beauty in sport is knowing that you're
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  going up against someone with the same sort of tool set.
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  The only thing that sets you apart is the genes.
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  However, I think it's so cool to see really where the limits were
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  of the human body physically sort of with it.
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  And I know that kind of is contradictory.
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  In the I think, I think I, I felt that as well.
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  It's like it's it's exciting to see these absolute specimens,
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  which they they truly are. They're specimens unenhanced
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  anyway. They're like 6 foot 7 like in
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  amazing shape, obviously have the predisposition towards being
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  good at swimming. What that looks like, whether
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  it's torso length, leg length, arm length, like they have all
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  of it to be good at swimming. And then just it's cool to see
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  them be elevated even more by this enhancement.
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  But I think going back to your point where it's like the doping
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  and and performance enhancing drugs, they're so far in front
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  of actual organizations that try to test and keep sport clean.
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  I think this is just going to contribute towards that.
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  It can go in two directions potentially.
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  It could help people understand how to do it properly and
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  medically safely, which is like a big thing about this
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  documentary. And all of these, all these two
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  swimmers have like a massive team around them that are
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  monitoring all of their health markers, whether it's bloods,
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  whether it's like the size of that internal organs, all of
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  that kind of thing. You have a full run of testing
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  every day throughout the whole program.
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  Yeah, Yeah. And so it's not like they're
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  just being sent away when a specialist that tells them what
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  to inject and when they are supervised.
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  So it's like obviously that's being funded for the documentary
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  from the enhanced games. But if there's this potential to
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  have an enhanced games, you're going to need to be able to fund
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  that yourself. And if you can't fund it
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  yourself or you can't fund it to the level where you have all of
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  that medical supervision, does that start to cross and blur the
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  lines between, OK, this is actually really amazing and cool
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  what we can achieve through performance enhancing drugs
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  verse actually this is medically not safe.
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  And there's so many potential issues, ethical issues evolved
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  in in that just because of the the money that you need to back
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  the the actual taking of the drugs, which is kind of like
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  where my viewpoint is, it's like, I want to keep sport
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  clean. Not that it is anyway, but I
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  think this just completely blurs the lines between the two
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  because you're never going to be able to have, OK, all the
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  enhanced athletes go to this and all the non enhanced athletes go
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  to this. And it's just like, does it take
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  away from the prestige of going to the Olympics, for example,
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  because you watch the Olympics on TV and you go, oh, that
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  person ran 98 in 100 meters. I'm going to watch the enhanced
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  game because this, this person ran 8 seconds in 100.
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  It's like starts to ruin the prestige of of the Olympics and
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  all of that. So I I don't know.
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  Because here's here's a question off that, like in 10 years time,
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  let's say the enhanced games is up and running.
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  It is not an equivalent of the Olympics on scale, but it is as
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  far as a competition goes. It's got the number of athletes,
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  it's got the the different events.
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  You can sit there and watch it. You have two things going on at
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  the same time. You do have someone who is
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  likely to run the 100 metres in 80 seconds.
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  You also then have the Olympics, where someone's hoping that they
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  get close to Usain Bolt's world record.
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  Yeah, they're on the same time. Which one are you going to
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  watch? For me, I'm watching the
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  Olympics like, and, and, and again, it comes back to this,
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  are you negatively influencing younger generations aspiring to
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  the sport that they're training for?
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  Because they look at, I've got enhanced games over here and
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  then I've got the Olympics over here.
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  Firstly, if the enhanced games offering you $1,000,000 for
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  winning the Olympics, what are you getting?
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  A gold medal? That's not money, that's not
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  funding. Obviously I understand the
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  prestige behind winning Olympic gold medal and all of that
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  stuff. And I, I, I truly think that
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  that's more valuable than $1,000,000 whatever.
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  But in terms of actually being able to live off, you want the
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  cash. So firstly you've got that and
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  then yeah, I don't know. Secondly, it's just like, is it
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  leading people astray from potentially what's right?
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  What's I, I don't know. There's there's so many like.
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  Ethical like another question and I'm not trying, I'm
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  genuinely you and I ask you this question, but I'm not trying to
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  cancel you because I will answer as well.
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  The enhanced games no longer exist.
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  OK, So on these two channels, you have the men's 100m final
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  and on the other channel you have the women's 100m final.
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  Yeah, which one you're watching? I honestly and like, I'm not
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  trying to do this to like sit on the fence.
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  It depends who's in the field for me truly.
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  Like there's some really exciting men in the 100m final,
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  There's some really exciting women in the 100m final.
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  I think at the moment I'm watching the women's because
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  it's just like it's slightly more competitive.
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  There's a few different kind of rivalries that are brewing
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  within the sport of short spring on track, but that's that goes
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  the same for pretty much any sport.
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  Like I flick on the CrossFit Games, I always prefer to watch
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  the women's field just because it's typically slightly, just
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  because it's it's typically the depth of field is a little bit
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  better and it's a bit more competitive and fun to watch
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  where often the men's is a little bit more one sided.
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  But yeah, truly, it depends on who's in the field.
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  And that's very similar to what I was going to say because I I
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  want to watch the better race and across the Olympics.
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  The thing that's beautiful about it with all the heat is you
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  really start to get an understanding of who's good
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  where. Whereas I don't watch the
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  Diamond League every week. So I don't know if he's a good
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  sprinter all the time. If there was, for example,
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  though both races it's been keyed on is almost a dead cert
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  that in both races someone's going to break the world record
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  from discipline. I honestly would probably watch
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  the men's because it is the fastest 100 meter time.
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  Sure, yeah, yeah, unless, unless the women's time was supposed to
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  be broken by like half a second something ridiculous.
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  And I would watch that because it's the fastest time ever.
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  And then I agree with you, I would much rather watch the like
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  a competitive race, a competitive race where athletes
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  fighting race aren't enhanced. However, the reason I said 10
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  years down the line is because I think I would be like that for
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  the next 5 years. Yeah.
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  But then if it continues to happen where it's a world record
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  that's not even getting danced around, Yeah, Then how quickly
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  does my boredom in watching these races turn to?
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  I want to see this thing get broken every single time I watch
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  it and that's what my but. Does that not then get boring
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  because it takes away from the novelty of when it happens like
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  we see that? In High rocks, every week a new
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  world record gets broken if some fall.
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  Which is something we need to talk about.
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  Yeah. But it's like, for example,
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  what's this? This world record stood for 15
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  years, I think they said in the documentary.
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  And like a big part of that reason was because they banned
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  the neoprene suits. So it's like, in essence, it's
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  like that world record will always have an asterisk next to
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  it. Obviously they had some
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  similarities in the enhanced games because the guys wore
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  neoprene suits, so they had that metric kind of consistent
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  between the two. But yeah, it's stood for 15
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  years. So I can understand why people
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  are getting frustrated and they want to see it broken.
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  But if every time you see someone run a race or swim a
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  race or whatever, it doesn't matter, the world record gets
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  broken. It's just like the novelty of
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  that definitely wears off for me.
• 19:38
  I think it the point, and it's weird because that's almost
• 19:41
  against the point, is the enhanced games is to find out
• 19:44
  what the actual human limit is while being human.
• 19:48
  Even if that means taking supplements, you are still, I
• 19:51
  mean 100% flesh at that point. And I I do think the whole
• 19:56
  target of their games is to to find that maximal world record,
• 20:00
  but it would be. For me, really cool to see it
• 20:03
  continuously get broken until that point.
• 20:05
  And then like you said, there's the excitement about the fact
• 20:07
  that this thing might not get broken ever.
• 20:09
  When you watch it, you're like amazing.
• 20:10
  And that's really like when I think about Usain Bolt's 100M
• 20:14
  world record, I remember watching it live.
• 20:16
  I mean, like I've just witnessed history because I genuinely
• 20:19
  don't know if I'll ever get to see that be broken again.
• 20:21
  And that was really cool. But now it's been, it's probably
• 20:26
  been like nearly 16 years since that.
• 20:28
  How long that was that 2008 or was it?
• 20:32
  Two Beijing Olympics. Or Beijing SO 2008.
• 20:34
  I don't know if he broke it then after that he might have broken
• 20:38
  it 200 in Berlin World Champs or something.
• 20:40
  Yeah, I can't remember. So I think he broke it in I
• 20:42
  think maybe like 2010, let's say.
• 20:44
  Yeah, then it's actually mental. Yeah, so it's been 15 years.
• 20:47
  I'm kind of ready to see it get broke.
• 20:49
  Yeah, like Usain Bolt is incredible.
• 20:51
  But again, it's just like it brings me back to the scepticism
• 20:54
  around it. Why is no one getting close?
• 20:56
  Like, it's been a long time. So it's like it's obviously, you
• 21:00
  look at Usain Bolt and you look at his, again, genetic
• 21:03
  predisposition. He's a freak compared to every
• 21:06
  other short sprinter. The guy's tall and and slim.
• 21:09
  And it's just like, that's not how you would generally define a
• 21:12
  sprinter. And that's again why he was so
• 21:15
  good at running the 200 meters. And I think people, athletes and
• 21:19
  people would try and defend Usain Bolt from what yours, what
• 21:22
  you could be seen to be suggesting by saying, well, he's
• 21:26
  a freak athlete. And there are different, like
• 21:29
  there are people that are just built different.
• 21:30
  Yeah, Yeah. And I agree with that.
• 21:32
  I went to school with someone called Daniel Gallagher, who So
• 21:35
  let's. Assume he's listening.
• 21:36
  For sure he's listening. Hi, Dan.
• 21:38
  He when we were playing football in PE and when he was playing
• 21:42
  football for the school against other schools, was just on a
• 21:46
  different level. Like saw the game differently,
• 21:48
  saw all 11 of the opposition where they were at all times.
• 21:52
  Didn't he's be looking at the ball to have the ball in his
• 21:53
  feet and just scored a ridiculous summer of goals even
• 21:55
  though he's playing from central midfield.
• 21:59
  His brothers also very good at football professional careers.
• 22:02
  He then was quite clearly going to be one of the best
• 22:05
  footballers in the in the UK. He now plays for Dorking
• 22:09
  Wanderers. So he was different, a different
• 22:13
  level of athlete and there are other athletes that have gone on
• 22:15
  to be professional in rugby from my school.
• 22:17
  But he is. And like, I'm not saying Dorking
• 22:19
  Wanderers are bad by any means, but.
• 22:22
  They're not the Premier League, they're not the Premier.
• 22:24
  League, they're not Champions League, not at all.
• 22:26
  The interesting thing as well is you take him and you look at his
• 22:32
  younger brother and I would have thought his younger brothers are
• 22:35
  very similar level to him. His younger brother you might
• 22:38
  recognise more as Connor Gallagher, who is now in the
• 22:42
  England squad and he's a very good footballer and he's well
• 22:45
  renowned for it. But again, he's not the best in
• 22:49
  the world, he's not winning. Balandor's right.
• 22:51
  Balandor's right now. So it's really, really difficult
• 22:53
  because I at first would have been like, well, yeah, Usain
• 22:55
  Bolt is just a different athlete.
• 22:57
  There's not been an athlete like him.
• 22:58
  He's miles ahead of the competition.
• 23:00
  But when you're at that level where you're in the top 1%, it's
• 23:03
  so, so hard to be that, that much better.
• 23:06
  Yeah, Yeah, everyone else and we're talking.
• 23:08
  That's why it's so surprising. Nearly like 100 meter races.
• 23:12
  If I turned on the TV right now, it wouldn't be surprising to see
• 23:15
  the winner at some track in the middle of nowhere run it in like
• 23:19
  10 point O1, which is nearly half a second start.
• 23:22
  And then also, you watch races, pretty much every race since
• 23:26
  Usain Bolt stopped running. It's not like there's one guy
• 23:30
  right out in front. Like remember back.
• 23:32
  It's iconic to Beijing. I think that's probably when he
• 23:35
  set the the world record where he's like, he obviously always
• 23:38
  started a little bit slower, but through like the middle of the
• 23:41
  race towards the back end, he's pulling away, he's pulling away.
• 23:44
  He's he's looking round him, he's pointing.
• 23:46
  He's like there's no one even in touching distance.
• 23:49
  You watch the races now, everyone's with intents like
• 23:52
  super, super close. Everyone's diving for the line.
• 23:55
  Even when you watch Noah Lyles run against some of the top
• 23:57
  Americans at the moment, like they're all very, very close.
• 24:01
  It's like, how is there someone? That's what, Yeah, I don't know.
• 24:05
  And. Again, if, if you're struggling
• 24:07
  to think about the fact that, like, half a second doesn't
• 24:09
  sound very long, but just look at the photos of when he set the
• 24:11
  world record, how far ahead he was.
• 24:13
  There's no one in frame. Doesn't.
• 24:15
  Yeah. And like, yeah, there are famous
• 24:16
  photos of no one in frame. And then you actually look a
• 24:18
  little deeper and he's running with his shoelace United.
• 24:20
  Yeah. Like the guy was looking around
• 24:22
  like. Yeah.
• 24:22
  Pumping his chest and he actually, yeah.
• 24:24
  Amazing. And one of the things that I
• 24:26
  think everybody will agree with and potentially you saying
• 24:29
  himself is like how fast could he have actually gone?
• 24:31
  Yeah, and really put it down and tried to put the perfect race
• 24:33
  together. I do think there was, it was
• 24:37
  either the Commonwealth Games, which I don't think he could
• 24:39
  have been involved in. So maybe it was a world champs.
• 24:41
  The following year or two years after he set the world record in
• 24:44
  Barcelona, he rocked up and said I'm going to break my record,
• 24:46
  I'm going to, I'm going to put down the fastest time ever
• 24:49
  before started and got kicked out.
• 24:50
  Yeah. And I was so gutted, yeah,
• 24:52
  because I really, really wanted to see this thing happen.
• 24:55
  And that's something that we won't get to see.
• 24:58
  And again, is something that maybe the enhanced, I mean the
• 25:00
  enhanced game should be tapping him up right now.
• 25:02
  Yeah, Hey, get back on track. Yeah, that would be.
• 25:04
  Wouldn't that be amazing to watch?
• 25:07
  My question yeah, if you could pick three events for the
• 25:11
  enhanced games to cover now, what would they?
• 25:15
  Are we going like renowned Olympic sports?
• 25:17
  Not necessarily. But three specific events, so
• 25:21
  not like a sport, an event. I'm just, I'm a lover of middle
• 25:26
  distance, so I'd say 1500 meters.
• 25:29
  So if you go, hey, Jakobinga Britson or Josh Kerr, what are
• 25:32
  you saying? We're going to sort you out.
• 25:34
  Like how fast they could run would be wild.
• 25:38
  So I'd say 1500 meters. I can't say an Olympic
• 25:42
  weightlifting event because they're all on so much gear
• 25:45
  anyway. Like I'm honestly, I'm sure the
• 25:47
  more I talk about it, I'm sure everyone is, it's just a good
• 25:51
  way to make myself feel better about why I'm so bad at
• 25:53
  everything. Everyone's doping, so 1500
• 25:56
  meters. I'd love to see the marathon as
• 25:59
  well. I was going to say.
• 26:00
  A man would be really cool. And then something like what
• 26:05
  about rowing? Like imagine the the enhancement
• 26:08
  you could get from from rowing. But I mean, swimming is like an
• 26:12
  obvious choice. And maybe like any sort of
• 26:14
  cycling event, track cycling is obviously again like that's a,
• 26:17
  that's a tricky subject to talk about.
• 26:19
  I was thinking cycling as well, but then I'm thinking Olympic
• 26:23
  distance triathlon. That'd be cool, I want to see
• 26:25
  it. Across all three, I want to see
• 26:27
  the level of improvement. Sure.
• 26:29
  It's kind of like me getting three in one there.
• 26:30
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I would, I would want to do
• 26:33
  the 100 meters, the 100 meter Sprint, Yeah, I would want to do
• 26:37
  the marathon for definite and then I would probably pick
• 26:39
  something like the triathlon. But I would I would quite like a
• 26:42
  strength. But it's like, it's interesting
• 26:44
  to see what the I know, I'd love to know what you're actually
• 26:49
  putting into the body because it's like it's all cloak and
• 26:52
  dagger. They're all very open about, Oh,
• 26:54
  it's very medically safe and we're doing all of these things.
• 26:56
  No idea. But what it and and I think
• 26:57
  that's tactical because they don't want to promote it to make
• 27:00
  it like more accessible. But how are you going to change
• 27:04
  the person's stack between running a marathon verse, I
• 27:08
  don't know, shopper or like javelin, because you don't want
• 27:12
  to see a top marathon runner. Well, actually this would be
• 27:15
  sick. Imagine a top marathon runner
• 27:16
  like 110 KG. I mean like rice up to yeah
• 27:21
  would be unreal. Well, one thing that I would
• 27:24
  like to know more about as well because this didn't necessarily
• 27:27
  get discussed and I feel like it would change.
• 27:29
  And I feel like me saying this, I don't know if you thought
• 27:31
  about this, but you also find this quite interesting.
• 27:34
  I would want to know based on what they're giving them.
• 27:37
  And again, don't necessarily need to know exactly what, but
• 27:40
  if they come up with any new ways of training that they're
• 27:44
  able to because of this. And if that new discovery in
• 27:48
  training actually can cascade into undoped athletes and
• 27:54
  natural athletes. Does that mean that we could
• 27:57
  actually be pushing the bounds of the natural athletes because
• 28:00
  we've discovered a new methodology that wouldn't have
• 28:02
  been possible to really or would have been thought safe enough to
• 28:05
  try because it could have been seen as too stressful for the?
• 28:08
  Body, yeah, I think it's just like with any enhancement, it's
• 28:12
  just your ability to tolerate more volume.
• 28:14
  And I use the example of Olympic like weightlifting because it's
• 28:17
  it's so prolific. And these guys are going into
• 28:19
  the gym in the morning and they're doing heavy front squats
• 28:22
  and heavy cleans. And then in the afternoon
• 28:25
  they're going back and they're doing heavy back squats and
• 28:27
  heavy snatching or something, something similar like that.
• 28:29
  And it's just like your joints and your tendons and you're just
• 28:32
  general muscle and overall fatigue.
• 28:34
  You can't tolerate that if you're not on something.
• 28:37
  But what I'm not taking away from is all of these people
• 28:41
  ability to go and train hard. And I like to use Lance
• 28:46
  Armstrong as an example here because obviously it's very well
• 28:48
  documented. And obviously at the time pretty
• 28:51
  much everyone in the pro peloton was doing something in some
• 28:54
  capacity. I think it's safe to to to claim
• 28:57
  that. But why was he the best one?
• 29:00
  Maybe he had the genetic predisposition.
• 29:02
  He'd been training in triathlon and swimming since he was very,
• 29:04
  very young. So he had that kind of aerobic
• 29:07
  base already. But the guy just trained harder
• 29:10
  than everyone. Maybe his, his experience with
• 29:13
  cancer as well had something like nothing's going to be as
• 29:17
  hard as dealing and getting over cancer.
• 29:19
  So this training thing, this is fine.
• 29:21
  I'm going to push myself really hard.
• 29:22
  I can't say that for sure, but there might be something in that
• 29:24
  psychologically. But why was he the best?
• 29:27
  Because he was freaking ruthless and he trained hard.
• 29:30
  And it's the same with everyone. It's like these enhanced
• 29:33
  swimmers, Christian James, like they still had to train twice a
• 29:37
  day for however long they're still pushing themselves in the
• 29:40
  gym. And in the in the documentary,
• 29:42
  he's he's saying he's like, I've never been more dialed into
• 29:45
  actual training. Every single stroke in the pool,
• 29:48
  every lift in the gym, recovery, nutrition, It was just all on
• 29:51
  point. And obviously it was handed to
• 29:53
  him on a plate, but like the guys still did the work.
• 29:56
  So you can't take away from that.
• 29:58
  And I'm not saying that it's an easy ride and you just inject
• 30:00
  yourself with loads of chemicals and you become Superman.
• 30:04
  You inject yourself with all the chemicals and then you have to
• 30:07
  train even harder than you normally would and you have the
• 30:09
  ability to push yourself harder. So that that for me is like the,
• 30:13
  the combination of science and the technological advancement is
• 30:18
  what is kind of exciting around it.
• 30:21
  I'm just scared that it blurs the lines and it it promotes
• 30:25
  something that could be done poorly and could then dilute the
• 30:31
  I don't know, like the actual non enhanced games.
• 30:34
  I think one thing that is my concern with it is that it does
• 30:38
  like you said, if you're, if you know that that on the line and I
• 30:41
  don't know if this is going to be consistent in going forward.
• 30:43
  But if there's $1,000,000 on the line and like you said to some
• 30:47
  people, an Olympic medal, gold to bronze might not be worth
• 30:52
  that to them at the time. Does that then take away those
• 30:56
  athletes that have been possibly pretending they aren't taking
• 30:59
  gear to go to that because they can walk straight in?
• 31:03
  They know that there are a level where they could probably do
• 31:05
  something if they were given access to even more funding and
• 31:07
  even more of whatever they need. Does it pull them away from the
• 31:13
  Olympics and clean up the Olympics and clean up the
• 31:16
  Olympics in a way that ends up being really detrimental to the
• 31:19
  because all the world records are no one's?
• 31:21
  You just have someone who fills their spot, they go well.
• 31:24
  Oh, this guy who's doping, he's left the field.
• 31:26
  There's another space for me. I'm going to dope even more.
• 31:29
  And I know when the Olympic. Is what if we actually do
• 31:32
  discover through this that no one's really getting within 10%
• 31:35
  of those world record times and do we have to reset?
• 31:38
  Oops. Yeah, everything's got an
• 31:39
  asterisk next to it. Yeah.
• 31:41
  I mean, there's the potential for that for sure, isn't there?
• 31:44
  It's, I mean, it's it's interesting.
• 31:45
  It's like worth considering. That topic, by the way, great
• 31:49
  topic, enjoy talking about it. That came from a listener
• 31:52
  suggestion. Yeah.
• 31:52
  So guys, if you've enjoyed that topic and you've got other
• 31:55
  things that you think we should be talking about, then do let us
• 31:57
  know because we will more than happy to talk about it.
• 32:00
  And we both really enjoyed going away and doing a bit of looking
• 32:02
  into the the actual records. I'd for sure like and that
• 32:06
  swimming is not something that I had any real prior knowledge to
• 32:10
  other than maybe watching the Olympics and knowing some of the
• 32:13
  top level swimmers and some of the records.
• 32:14
  But like it is very interesting and and having a little bit more
• 32:17
  of a deep dive into the way they train and how they train
• 32:20
  swimmers, a psycho. And like there was some, there
• 32:23
  was like some top swimmers at school and at university.
• 32:25
  But these like same level as rowing.
• 32:28
  These guys are waking up at the crack of dawn to swim in the
• 32:30
  morning and then go back to the pool in the evening.
• 32:33
  And then sometimes they're doing land training or gym training in
• 32:35
  the same day and, and your training is literally staring at
• 32:39
  the bottom of a pool like it's, it's impressive to have that
• 32:42
  level of commitment to that sport.
• 32:43
  Another, another thing to plug as well, earlier on in the
• 32:46
  podcast where pretty much every episode, in fact every episode
• 32:49
  was a guest episode. I had a guy called Cairo who
• 32:51
  came on who was brilliant because he's openly on gear.
• 32:56
  I was zoom and bodybuilder openly on gear and we basically
• 33:00
  just have a chat about it. I'm I'm very neutral in that.
• 33:03
  If you want to take it and you know the risks, you do you.
• 33:07
  I have no opinion on whether or not I think that's a mistake or
• 33:09
  not. And for him, he made it very
• 33:10
  clear that he could be going out at weekends smashing all kinds
• 33:13
  of drugs that he doesn't know where they come from.
• 33:15
  But instead he's trying to do something that actually does
• 33:17
  benefit his life because he wants to do it professionally.
• 33:21
  And it was a really interesting conversation.
• 33:22
  He gives a little bit more details about how he trains as
• 33:24
  well, because it's another thing he highlights a bit.
• 33:26
  Like you said with Art Armstrong is just because he's on gear
• 33:30
  doesn't mean he has to train any.
• 33:31
  That's hard. Yeah, for sure.
• 33:32
  For his physique to change as much as it does on that he's
• 33:35
  still having doing the work. And don't get me wrong, you
• 33:37
  might have more physiological bang for your buck with your
• 33:40
  sessions, but you can't just like work half as hard and
• 33:43
  continue to grow so. For me, I'm just like, I'm
• 33:45
  concerned about the long term health benefits because there's
• 33:48
  like there's not all that much research behind that or evidence
• 33:52
  based like what, what if there's lots of what ifs?
• 33:55
  And obviously if you having, you're going to have to have
• 33:58
  your blood tested at least monthly and have some body scans
• 34:02
  and just like be on top of your medical side of the, the
• 34:06
  enhanced performance enhancing drugs.
• 34:08
  So that for me is like a little bit on the on the fence, but I'm
• 34:12
  like, if you want to do it again, I'm not going to judge
• 34:15
  you for doing that. That's your choice.
• 34:16
  I wouldn't do it, but you can, but just don't pretend you're
• 34:20
  not doing it. And that that's where like the,
• 34:23
  the, the moral debate for me lies.
• 34:25
  You want to compete in clean sport, but you're not clean.
• 34:28
  That's that's like crossing the line.
• 34:30
  And obviously it's like when you're in that bubble, I can't
• 34:33
  say that I've ever been in that bubble.
• 34:34
  But if you're at the top of the sport and everyone around you
• 34:36
  doing it and it's the way you make money, it's very hard to.
• 34:40
  And I think if you tell yourself the lie again and again and
• 34:43
  again, everyone's doing a little bit of this, a little bit of
• 34:45
  that, or this isn't bad because everyone's like, it's hard to
• 34:50
  see where black and white is because there's, there is no
• 34:52
  black and white. It's just grey right in the
• 34:54
  middle. But I, I then, I then had
• 34:56
  another thought, just both of the guys that were in the
• 34:59
  documentary, they'd both been to the Olympics like multiple
• 35:02
  times. Both of them had won Olympic
• 35:04
  medals. So for them, their career was
• 35:07
  done. They were entering retirement.
• 35:08
  They've done that. Part of it they've had the best
• 35:10
  of. Both.
• 35:10
  So it's yeah, exactly. So they've got nothing to lose.
• 35:13
  Ask someone who's on the fence of, hey, are you going to the
• 35:16
  Olympics this year with Team GB or are you going to the enhanced
• 35:19
  Games? That's a.
• 35:21
  That's a freaking hard question to answer.
• 35:23
  I think this is also like it's a it's a buffer for retirement,
• 35:28
  which some of them need. Yeah.
• 35:29
  And yeah, exactly. Jack, who's a listener, did
• 35:31
  weigh in on this. We put this up on the story for
• 35:33
  anyone's opinions. Jack came in and said, look, if
• 35:36
  you're not harming anyone else and you're not pushing for other
• 35:38
  people to do it, yeah, it's controlled in a Safeway and you
• 35:41
  have no intention of lying to people about it.
• 35:43
  Crack on. Sums up really nicely.
• 35:45
  I mean, that's really yeah, yeah.
• 35:46
  Should get him to Co host. We're gonna, we're gonna move on
• 35:51
  to the most enjoyable, I've been told the most enjoyable part of
• 35:55
  the podcast, which is the Grind My Gears section.
• 35:58
  So those of you that haven't heard of this before, me and
• 36:02
  Charles are generically pretty angry and get frustrated by
• 36:05
  things I think I'm. Poorly influencing you.
• 36:08
  I think no, what you're doing is you're just giving me an outlet,
• 36:10
  which I clearly needed. But last week we actually got a
• 36:13
  lot of you guys to write in with yours and that was quite fun to
• 36:16
  go through. So if you've ever got one, do
• 36:18
  write in. I actually put that up on the
• 36:19
  story today and we have had someone write in with theirs.
• 36:23
  Do you want to start with yours? And then we'll move on to theirs
• 36:25
  and mine. How many of you brought with you
• 36:27
  this week? I I every week I tell you I've
• 36:30
  got more. I don't want to show you my list
• 36:32
  protein cereals because we we spoke about like the the higher
• 36:37
  protein alternatives. I don't want to go down that
• 36:39
  route. Protein cereal, just every
• 36:43
  single one tastes horrible. And if you pretend to like it,
• 36:46
  pretend to like it, you are lying to yourself and you're
• 36:49
  lying to everyone else. Protein cereal is just trash.
• 36:52
  It tastes horrible. Just buy the nice Frosties, or
• 36:55
  the Crave or the Weetos or the Shreddies.
• 36:57
  I don't care. Just buy the normal cereal.
• 37:00
  Don't fall foul to the marketing of protein cereal.
• 37:04
  I agree but disagree. No, no, no.
• 37:07
  OK, so I think all of the protein cereal brands that try
• 37:12
  and put whey or like pretty much every piece of their cereal is
• 37:18
  designed to be protein cereal as in like we're talking about the
• 37:21
  ones that it's like balls or like chunks and of this like
• 37:24
  wafery thing. Disgusting.
• 37:27
  So dry. I just, it just tastes so bad I
• 37:30
  can't. Explain people their recipes.
• 37:32
  They're like, put milk in it, warm the milk up with the.
• 37:35
  Milk, you're just can't bring it in.
• 37:36
  Sugar like what are you? Doing just don't have it,
• 37:41
  however. Oh no.
• 37:42
  Here's a little secret, and I'm not saying it's healthy because
• 37:45
  it's still very full of sugar, same as most cereal, but ALDI
• 37:51
  used to do it. You love ALDI?
• 37:53
  Little nicked it. Oh, ALDI no longer makes it, and
• 37:56
  Little still makes it. They do a high protein fruit
• 38:00
  granola. And if we're talking macros, OK,
• 38:05
  27 grams of protein per 100 grams.
• 38:07
  OK. So it's actually pretty good.
• 38:09
  It is per cup. It genuinely tastes really good.
• 38:13
  But I'm also just. It is it like it's not going to
• 38:16
  be better than if you just had some like protein normal.
• 38:19
  Granola. It's not going to fill you up as
• 38:20
  long you could have normal granola.
• 38:22
  However, if you did want to get a protein cereal because you're
• 38:26
  obsessed with telling people you like having protein for
• 38:28
  breakfast, get that protein granola.
• 38:30
  I'm a fan of Sultanas raisins, so I drop a cup of those.
• 38:32
  And when I say a couple, I mean about a bag full on top.
• 38:35
  Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, I'm, I'm this is it like
• 38:38
  it's an irrational grind my gears for me.
• 38:40
  Like if you eat it and you like it, whatever, it's just, it
• 38:43
  tastes bad. I I do.
• 38:45
  It's a bit like if you like coriander, you don't like
• 38:47
  coriander. But I'm just and I'm not having
• 38:49
  a dig at any protein cereal companies but I've tried a few
• 38:52
  and they all taste just like. I'd say that most of it just
• 38:56
  tastes not natural as well, so it tastes surreal and it I
• 39:03
  wouldn't also say that the flavour is quite leak, I would
• 39:05
  say that it's pretty bang average.
• 39:08
  That's almost like we rehearse this and that he's, he's
• 39:11
  responsible for all of that. Well I was just my adjectives
• 39:14
  and vocabulary is excellent and definitely not primed.
• 39:19
  I agree. For a first run of my gears.
• 39:22
  I think that's actually relatively tame completely.
• 39:24
  I don't think many people will argue against you unless they've
• 39:27
  got discount codes in their bio. The the one that we've had
• 39:33
  written in, and I'm so on board with this one.
• 39:36
  By the way, we've had a thing. It's Jasmine.
• 39:39
  Based on your Instagram name. That's what I'm going with.
• 39:42
  Qui Jazz. That's what it was Jazz said.
• 39:45
  It really pisses me off when people get off the tube and
• 39:49
  don't have their card ready to pay at the gate, especially when
• 39:52
  it's busy. I love this.
• 39:53
  So for context, for those that don't live in London, we've got
• 39:57
  the tapping system. A lot of people do it with their
• 39:59
  phones, but people will be like texting when they're walking to
• 40:02
  the the gate that they need to open and they'll be like 8
• 40:05
  people behind them. And then they'll like finish
• 40:07
  their text before they go to the card and just don't seem to care
• 40:12
  that their people. I don't know where you thought
• 40:14
  you were going, where you thought you didn't need your
• 40:15
  card at this particular point, but I could have told you 3 days
• 40:19
  ago that this specific point in your journey, you need your card
• 40:22
  ready. And you're not so frustrating,
• 40:25
  isn't it? Yeah, man.
• 40:26
  I think also just any poor etiquette around barrier
• 40:31
  systems. Just have some considerates.
• 40:34
  That's not a word. Consideration.
• 40:37
  That's considerate. For everybody else rather than
• 40:41
  just you, like you know when you go on a on an actual train and
• 40:45
  you have the QR code that you have to scan from train line,
• 40:48
  why is that so confusing for people?
• 40:51
  Pull it up, scan it, go through. There's people trying to like
• 40:55
  scan the QR code where you do your contactless payment and
• 40:58
  just like what you, what you thinking is going to happen or
• 41:01
  like at the airport where you scan your boarding pass.
• 41:04
  You know you're going to have to do that.
• 41:06
  Oh. Man, quick, quick thing because
• 41:10
  I need to get back to what the original grammar gears was, but
• 41:12
  people thinking that it's funny to print an oversized boarding
• 41:16
  pass for static. It was funny, and now it's just
• 41:19
  don't. Do that just.
• 41:20
  You're in the way. Going back to.
• 41:23
  That was a side gear glider going back to the original
• 41:26
  though it it made me think about something else that I don't know
• 41:29
  if I've mentioned before but used to be on my grind my gears
• 41:31
  nose page I'm sure, but I couldn't see it there.
• 41:34
  When you go to a supermarket with self checkout.
• 41:38
  Not that people aren't ready to pay, they just stood at the
• 41:41
  front of the queue, not looking at the tails.
• 41:44
  I'm stood here, I can see thrilled. 3 tills available and
• 41:48
  you're stood there looking at the one person who was in front
• 41:51
  of you, waiting for them to be done.
• 41:53
  Why are you taking half? An hour No, I get it as well.
• 41:56
  These these are like such little things that just.
• 41:58
  Daily annoy me. They do annoy and The thing is I
• 42:02
  will stare at that person. I'm just like, you're causing me
• 42:05
  inconvenience for the sake of just not being on it.
• 42:08
  I reckon there's a like 10. I think it's gone down to 10
• 42:10
  seconds. I would say that could also be
• 42:12
  generous. 10 seconds before I tell them where 1 is.
• 42:15
  Or you just walk around and go to it.
• 42:17
  Oh, I don't know if I've gone there.
• 42:18
  Yet I'd rather do that and talk to them.
• 42:22
  I think this says a lot more about us.
• 42:23
  I think everyone else is just chilled.
• 42:25
  Do you know what's Britain? I'm not chilled in that
• 42:26
  situation. I'm like in and out.
• 42:28
  I want to give in my. Eyes to something there because
• 42:31
  being in Britain you could walk past someone and go straight to
• 42:33
  the tail when there's only one available.
• 42:35
  Oh, yeah, and they won't. They won't say anything.
• 42:36
  Yeah, I would never say anything.
• 42:38
  No. Neither would I have had it.
• 42:39
  I respect. That's a really good, that's a
• 42:41
  good time, but. It's just also this is what was
• 42:43
  on my gramma gears but I was like it's not really relevant
• 42:45
  but now this is relevant. People who just walk 3 wide on
• 42:49
  the pavement or like walk slowly or or like stop.
• 42:54
  I'm like, walk on the pavement as if you're driving a car.
• 42:58
  If you need to stop, look, go to the side.
• 43:00
  Also just. Generally pick a side.
• 43:03
  Or do yeah or yeah, you'd be what people.
• 43:06
  Are in the middle. And I'm passionate and here's.
• 43:08
  Another here's another thing that spins off from this Wow,
• 43:11
  this is a real Ave. around my gears.
• 43:13
  We like going down a road and spotting things virtually.
• 43:16
  When people see you on a run and rather than them moving out of
• 43:21
  the way, assume that you're going to go around them because
• 43:23
  you're the one that's being a little bit more active on
• 43:25
  mobile. In actual fact, I'm a freight
• 43:28
  train that finds a really different change direction.
• 43:30
  If you step out or are in the middle of the pavement.
• 43:33
  I need you to move if possible. I'm not going to expect that
• 43:37
  from you because that I'd. I've had it a lot of times where
• 43:39
  I've like shimmied and then they've gone the same way and
• 43:42
  then we've shimmied back and they've gone the same way and
• 43:44
  you're like you're I'm running straight into you now as I.
• 43:47
  Say I would rather run through you and apologize.
• 43:50
  Is that classic thing of like, do, do and apologize?
• 43:52
  I'd rather run through you and apologize and tear my ACL trying
• 43:55
  to get around you. For sure slow myself.
• 43:58
  Yeah, I'm just. Like once an accident, 1's not.
• 44:00
  Just have some consideration for other people and some spatial
• 44:04
  awareness. I'm going to get off the topic
• 44:07
  of this road and I'm going to talk about my grind, my gears.
• 44:10
  My grind my gears. This week is a gimmick.
• 44:14
  Excellent. At least I'm deciding it's a
• 44:16
  gimmick and I'm going to show you and the lovely watchers.
• 44:19
  Sorry listeners, you should get on YouTube what I've got.
• 44:23
  I just got a glimpse of it so this is a good.
• 44:26
  One, this is a good one. So this excellent is known as
• 44:29
  the Omeus or Omeus headband. So for those of you that aren't
• 44:35
  aware, with the redevelopment of hybrid fitness and running, we
• 44:39
  are seeing all of the crazy stuff come back with fashion.
• 44:44
  Back in the 80s and 90s when running was popular, we saw the
• 44:47
  shell suits, we saw the sweat suits, everything sweat band,
• 44:52
  all of this. It's back.
• 44:53
  We have sweat bands and the ominous headband.
• 44:57
  I'm going to get her picture up here.
• 44:59
  I actually didn't know what this did.
• 45:01
  Neither did I, I went and looked at it today because I really
• 45:04
  wanted to know. So for those that are watching,
• 45:06
  you can see it. I'm going to try and move the
• 45:08
  iPad a little bit closer. I could help but.
• 45:11
  There we Oh God, a sign has come up that's going to grind my
• 45:14
  gears. This is so hard.
• 45:17
  This is a grind my gear. This is this is an ick actually.
• 45:21
  So basically what we've got for those that aren't listening and
• 45:24
  are doing. Well, let me have a look as
• 45:25
  well. So it's essentially A headband,
• 45:27
  but on the front of the headband are what looks like metal
• 45:30
  bristles that come off the front and specifically just across the
• 45:34
  forehead. Oh my God.
• 45:36
  Now he's just that reaction is completely raw because what
• 45:39
  Charles has done is he's zoomed out and he's seen the price of
• 45:42
  this thing, this headband is $204.00 for a sweatband, 204
• 45:50
  dollars. Oh no, If you don't want the
• 45:52
  cooling pieces, it's $25. It is $25 if.
• 45:55
  You don't want the moment she's wearing.
• 45:56
  That and what that means though is that the cooling pieces which
• 45:59
  you insert into the this well for those that seen it, it's
• 46:03
  like little squares of these metal bristles that you put in.
• 46:06
  That means that those are valued at $175 and you need and.
• 46:10
  It makes this explicitly clear in the description.
• 46:13
  Every product needs 20 to work if you don't have all 20, but it
• 46:18
  doesn't work. This is terrible.
• 46:20
  That's the face of it. I'm trying to describe it now
• 46:22
  let's actually talk about it. They claim that these bristles
• 46:28
  or these metal packs that you add on for cooling.
• 46:31
  What they do is they aid your skin in being able to transfer
• 46:36
  the heat more efficiently by providing a larger surface area
• 46:39
  for the heat transfer to the sort of greater elements.
• 46:46
  I don't even know where to fucking start this one this is.
• 46:48
  I've actually seen some top level that Marathon is wearing
• 46:50
  though it's as well, not just boxes.
• 46:52
  I've seen. Surely you're only wearing,
• 46:54
  you're only wearing that if it's a sponsor.
• 46:56
  You're getting paid to wear that.
• 46:57
  I don't even know if I have sponsored if I could wear this.
• 47:01
  I wouldn't get sponsored by them in the first place.
• 47:02
  No, I mean that. No, that is, that is terrible 2.
• 47:06
  $104. It looks like like a washing up
• 47:11
  scrubbing brush. It really does.
• 47:13
  And this is, I mean, we've got, we do have pictures of athletes
• 47:17
  wearing. Is that the iron cowboy?
• 47:18
  James Lawrence? I know, maybe I just made that
• 47:21
  up. I couldn't tell.
• 47:21
  I wouldn't want to claim who it is because I'm obviously I don't
• 47:25
  think much of them if they're wearing on.
• 47:28
  I'm joking. I don't think that decides how
• 47:29
  good you are as an athlete. You're just doing smart things
• 47:31
  with your sponsorship. But if you aren't doing smart
• 47:33
  things with sponsorships and you're prepared to pay $204.00,
• 47:36
  please no. One for that, check the reviews.
• 47:38
  Do let us know. And what we'll do is we'll sign
• 47:41
  up and we'll do a Patreon where you can send that money instead,
• 47:43
  and we'll do a lot more with it. They'll make you one of those.
• 47:47
  You'll make me. One, yeah, half the price.
• 47:49
  You can get one of the scourers. I'm going to do that next
• 47:52
  Skyrox. Maybe we should.
• 47:53
  Yeah, we'll just run with Scourers on our forehead because
• 47:55
  apparently, do you know what I would say that Scourers got a
• 47:57
  greater surface area than any of those Bristol things, but that
• 48:01
  really. Has been.
• 48:02
  That's a good one. Yeah, for sure.
• 48:04
  What could be worse? I just noticed this while I'm on
• 48:07
  the page. There are 11 reviews and the
• 48:10
  average review is 4 1/2 stars. I wonder what they've marked it
• 48:14
  down for? It was a hot summer in the
• 48:17
  Northeast and I had two full marathons to train for.
• 48:20
  This little headband changed my life.
• 48:23
  I was able to maintain my target paces in the heat and run in
• 48:26
  days that were way too hot. I also used it when travelling
• 48:29
  in Puerto Rico and it helped me keep going there for 10 miles in
• 48:31
  the tropical heat, where other times I've had to tap out after
• 48:34
  only 6. It doesn't do quite as well in
• 48:37
  extremely high humidity as it does more in temperature heat.
• 48:42
  The cooling sensation goes away after a few minutes, but it
• 48:46
  keeps cooling you. It's like a heat sink for your
• 48:48
  head. Absolute magic.
• 48:49
  So placebo. There we go.
• 48:51
  It stops working out for a few minutes but he was able to use
• 48:54
  it for 2 miles. If you can afford to frequent
• 48:56
  when he goes to Puerto Rico. Game changer.
• 48:58
  Thank you, Kristen. So might have been gone.
• 49:02
  I shouldn't have assumed, but yeah, it's no everyone gets me
• 49:07
  off. Everyone's going to agree with
• 49:09
  us on that one. Show me the science.
• 49:11
  Sorry, we don't need the science, Timothy has said so
• 49:14
  cool. Literally great from Timothy.
• 49:17
  Absolutely unbelievable. Right, let's move on.
• 49:20
  Let's move on The next the next topic actually ties in and I'm
• 49:24
  going to make it tie in the first topic.
• 49:27
  How seriously should you be taking your sport?
• 49:31
  For some people, I would say taking certain drugs to get
• 49:36
  slightly faster at something like Hyrox, it probably isn't
• 49:40
  worth the risks in terms of healthcare.
• 49:43
  It might increase your enjoyment because of the perceived level
• 49:47
  that you are at in comparison to other athletes.
• 49:49
  But I would say for example, that could be a bit far.
• 49:55
  But then this ties into how serious you should actually be
• 49:58
  taking your sport in general. Because if you look at what we
• 50:02
  do, you're a coach. I work in filming people doing
• 50:05
  sport. We both have an enjoyment for
• 50:08
  actually doing the sport ourselves and the training.
• 50:11
  I would say there's a large amount of times in my life where
• 50:14
  I've probably gone a little bit too far.
• 50:15
  I've spent too long training for what I actually needed as a
• 50:18
  benefit, but also was sacrificing things that I
• 50:20
  probably shouldn't have sacrificed considering I'm not
• 50:22
  pro athlete. Where is that line for you?
• 50:26
  So tough, I feel a bit seen. I think there's the one thing
• 50:31
  for me, and I'll talk from personal experience first.
• 50:34
  I think the one thing for me is like it's fun to feel like
• 50:38
  you're a professional athlete. And that's something that I've
• 50:41
  always aspired to be since I was tiny little, like I've wanted to
• 50:44
  do something professionally in sport.
• 50:46
  And I probably will say this about you as well.
• 50:48
  You probably experienced the same thing.
• 50:50
  You're like, I want to do professional sport because why?
• 50:52
  It's sick. It's a great lifestyle and it's
• 50:55
  like a probably a massive blessing and an honor to
• 50:59
  represent your country for whatever sport or do whatever.
• 51:02
  Obviously I'm not on that level. So what I can do behind the
• 51:05
  scenes is train and act like an athlete in as much as I can.
• 51:10
  And I think I did that a lot when I was younger, kind of live
• 51:13
  this lifestyle of being an athlete and everything aligns to
• 51:16
  that one goal. But yeah, as I've matured, I've
• 51:19
  kind of got over the facts and I appreciate now that it's never
• 51:21
  going to happen. But what I wouldn't, And now
• 51:25
  talking about everyone else, I wouldn't want to take that away
• 51:28
  from anyone else because in reality, it's just a hobby,
• 51:30
  isn't it? And you can take your hobby as
• 51:32
  seriously or unseriously as you like.
• 51:34
  Something like playing golf, I take that very seriously.
• 51:37
  I'm not particularly good at it, but it's like I want to take
• 51:39
  that really seriously. And when I go and play, I want
• 51:41
  to play well, I want to improve. I want to get good equipment.
• 51:45
  I want to spend time or invest in in myself to to get better
• 51:49
  weather. That's with lesson.
• 51:49
  And you don't have to be a professional to take it
• 51:51
  seriously, right? But yeah, I think where it maybe
• 51:56
  crosses the line is just like your emotions attached to
• 51:59
  performance, right? And again, I'll be a hypocrite
• 52:01
  to say that I don't get emotional when I don't perform
• 52:04
  at the level that I want. But yeah, I wouldn't want to
• 52:07
  take it away from anyone else. If you want to take your sport
• 52:10
  really seriously and buy the cooling headband, then you go
• 52:14
  and do it. All right, You go.
• 52:16
  And maybe that's the line. Once you once you buy that
• 52:19
  headband, you've crossed the line because.
• 52:20
  There's actually there's multiple sides to this where I
• 52:24
  agree. I think as long as it makes you
• 52:27
  happy. Do you know what?
• 52:28
  I'm going to apply gambling methodology to this.
• 52:30
  When the fun stops, stop. But like up until then, if
• 52:33
  you're enjoying, sorry it's not damaging your life.
• 52:35
  I think whatever you could be doing and other people.
• 52:37
  Around you, right? Yeah, I think it's a good thing
• 52:39
  to do. And I think with anything, and I
• 52:42
  don't know if this is because there seems to be a slightly
• 52:46
  different neurology for those that do like participate in
• 52:50
  sport to certain levels. But if I get the bug for a
• 52:54
  sport, I want to know everything about it.
• 52:57
  I want to get all the best stuff.
• 52:58
  And I think that is an issue when some sports are quite
• 53:02
  expensive. When you talk about golf, I want
• 53:03
  good clubs when I go and play paddle.
• 53:07
  I'm not I'm bad at paddle, but paddle I I assume it is just
• 53:12
  cool the paddle that you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 53:14
  That is expensive. So expensive.
• 53:16
  However, give me 3 weeks of playing with a bad racket and
• 53:20
  I'm going to tell you I need a better racket.
• 53:21
  Do you know what's interesting? Actually I was going to bring
• 53:24
  this up anyway. You kind of like made the segue
• 53:27
  is segue. Sure.
• 53:29
  Isn't that what's a great sport, the thing you stand on?
• 53:31
  That's not what I want to talk about.
• 53:34
  So I was reading actually and it's about golf, but I don't
• 53:37
  want to make this about golf, but buying better equipment when
• 53:41
  you are worse at something is actually more benefit than when
• 53:44
  you're very good and having the good equipment.
• 53:45
  You know what I mean? Because like the the gap
• 53:47
  between, So it's like if you have a better golf ball, you
• 53:51
  have a proby one or proby 1X. Like the the technology within
• 53:54
  that ball is actually going to benefit you more as a worse
• 53:57
  player. You just have more to lose
• 54:00
  because you're probably losing that ball in the woods or lake.
• 54:02
  Just the same with like tennis rackets, golf clubs.
• 54:04
  You can tell how good you are at something like golf because if
• 54:08
  you go and ask about getting a lesson and you or you ask
• 54:10
  someone, are my clubs good for me?
• 54:12
  If they go, yeah, they're really forgiving.
• 54:14
  You're shit to golf because the clubs have been designed to make
• 54:17
  sure that you're. You've like gravity shaft.
• 54:21
  Cavity back your your terrible ability is being helped as much
• 54:24
  as possible. However, like you said, if you
• 54:27
  if someone came over and they were like, oh, you could
• 54:29
  probably do a sniffer shaft. All of this now we're actually
• 54:32
  talking about the fact that you're all better at gold.
• 54:34
  Most there are things that could help you, but it's not going to
• 54:37
  help you as much as like you said, all of that forgiveness is
• 54:40
  going to help a person. That's not very good.
• 54:43
  But again, this goes into another Ave. which is the
• 54:49
  standards within a sport. Because if we take it, if we
• 54:54
  take an example of walking into a public gym, if someone is not
• 54:57
  squatting to death, I'm past the point now where I, I'm really, I
• 55:01
  don't really care. You're coming here, you're
• 55:03
  moving. Depending on how you look,
• 55:06
  whatever you're doing, what you want to do, I'm going to assume
• 55:09
  that you know that you're not hitting arse grass and you're
• 55:12
  fine with that. Also, even if you don't, you
• 55:14
  don't care. Yeah.
• 55:15
  And like, you're not, you're not competing.
• 55:17
  I'm not going to turn this into. You're not like competition.
• 55:19
  Yeah, yeah. Go lower, however, you take the
• 55:25
  same person and they go to powerlifting me.
• 55:27
  Yeah, all of a sudden I've got a problem with it.
• 55:29
  Yeah, And I'm not a powerlifter. If you're not going below 90 on
• 55:32
  your squaw, or you're not doing the pause for the amount of time
• 55:34
  and you're not listening to the control properly.
• 55:37
  Or also put it in the context of high rocks.
• 55:40
  If that person then goes to race at high rocks, maybe I'm not in
• 55:43
  the same category or you're not the same times or whatever.
• 55:47
  They're not really a competition.
• 55:48
  Because in reality, in high rocks, you're racing the clock.
• 55:51
  Unless you're at the top of the sport and you're the elite 15.
• 55:53
  That's the only real time we're racing other people.
• 55:56
  You lose track in your wave as well.
• 55:58
  Who's in your way? You're not racing, it's you're
• 56:00
  racing the clock. But if you have a standard, it
• 56:03
  needs to be standardized and like it needs to be upheld.
• 56:07
  And I understand and I don't. Again, I don't want to make this
• 56:09
  about high rocks. I understand the sports in its
• 56:11
  infancy. I understand the judges at the
• 56:14
  Warble station are all volunteers.
• 56:17
  I understand because I've been in this situation as well.
• 56:19
  In CrossFit competitions, it's very difficult to tell someone
• 56:22
  that they're doing it wrong, especially at the end of the
• 56:25
  race. They're tired and you go no Rep
• 56:28
  and, and I understand that's why they're starting to introduce
• 56:30
  the technology for hitting the target.
• 56:32
  That's great, but it doesn't then help if you're not hitting
• 56:35
  depth. So then they have that weird box
• 56:38
  thing and whatever. So I come at this from from two
• 56:40
  different angles. One again, I'm not racing them.
• 56:43
  It's me against the clock. My time's going to stand either
• 56:46
  way. Whatever their time is.
• 56:48
  If they don't hit depth, whatever, I don't care.
• 56:52
  But from the other point of view, from the coaching
• 56:54
  perspective and like the standards and understanding the
• 56:57
  movement mechanics and why you would squat, it's just like,
• 57:01
  there's no point in having a standard if it's not going to be
• 57:03
  upheld. So yeah, but I I get that this
• 57:07
  was actually going to be one of my grind my gears, not so much
• 57:10
  the standard thing, but you should see my inbox.
• 57:13
  And I think it's because I come from a CrossFit background where
• 57:17
  like the standards are like a whole other thing.
• 57:20
  We need to talk about that as well.
• 57:21
  But the volume of messages I get of people sending me reels of
• 57:27
  high rocks, races of people not hitting depth, and I'm like,
• 57:30
  guys, just stop. I've seen them or I've seen them
• 57:33
  before. You don't need to keep sending
• 57:34
  this to me. So I have like a really thanks.
• 57:40
  I, I don't have like a solid concrete opinion on this because
• 57:45
  there are events like other races, other things that you can
• 57:50
  get involved in as well as high rocks that are policed while
• 57:54
  you're there. And there are standards that are
• 57:56
  in the rule book and they're not necessarily upheld throughout,
• 57:59
  dependent on the individual and fundamentally.
• 58:04
  Sometimes I get it. That defeats the point, yeah.
• 58:07
  But if for example, we have, and if we look at Cardiff right,
• 58:13
  there was an amazing 80 year old man who completed the race and
• 58:20
  he did it in some like 2 1/2 hours, might have been just
• 58:23
  slightly longer than that, but just unbelievable that 80 he was
• 58:25
  there like happy doing all of you got through it all.
• 58:30
  If I'm the Warble judge and he comes in as 8 year old, he's not
• 58:34
  breaking a world record, he's not going to win any money.
• 58:37
  He's doing this for himself. If he is getting not quite below
• 58:41
  depth, but he's able to do it with this 6K ball and he's done
• 58:45
  all these other sessions beforehand.
• 58:46
  I don't care. Yeah.
• 58:48
  Unless. And I say to him, do you know
• 58:50
  what I, I might do? I might be like just get a
• 58:52
  little bit lower for me. And if he turns around and he's
• 58:54
  like, OK, yeah. And he seems keen to be yeah,
• 58:56
  then I'll, I'll push him on it, Yeah.
• 58:58
  But if he's not and he's absolutely knackered, I don't
• 59:02
  care like you. Do you enjoy the event get
• 59:04
  through? Because the other thing, like
• 59:06
  you said, they're volunteers. I don't want to ruin someone's
• 59:09
  day and someone's race by being an asshole.
• 59:12
  That's where a head judge comes in.
• 59:14
  But also, I do understand that I don't think it's fair that I
• 59:19
  don't no Rep someone when the person next to me is getting is
• 59:23
  giving out no reps if I'm a judge and their person then ends
• 59:28
  up losing said race against the clock versus the person that I
• 59:32
  was judging who ends up overtaking them on the warbles
• 59:34
  because they were better or on the burpees, whatever.
• 59:37
  And it's the same with things like Tough Mudder where you have
• 59:42
  these assault courses and they're supposed to be a
• 59:43
  penalty. Don't do them.
• 59:45
  But sometimes you just get let through.
• 59:47
  And I do think that there almost needs to be an understanding of
• 59:52
  when standards are enforced. And I mean, if anyone from,
• 59:56
  like, high rocks in the administration wants another way
• 1:00:00
  of getting more money, here you go.
• 1:00:02
  What I think could work well in a sport like this is if you
• 1:00:05
  wanted to, say, have a qualifying time or have a
• 1:00:09
  verified time, you pay an extra £10 per athlete.
• 1:00:13
  And a judge is on every station and they stick with you for the
• 1:00:17
  entire station. And those judges are paid.
• 1:00:20
  Yeah. You are.
• 1:00:21
  You are essentially paying a set of judges to make sure you're
• 1:00:24
  holding the standards throughout.
• 1:00:25
  You get through and it's a verified time.
• 1:00:29
  Then if you appear on social media and you're not in debt,
• 1:00:31
  you deserve to, to be told. And to be fair, the judges
• 1:00:35
  should have been doing their job at the time.
• 1:00:37
  But if you're not a verified time, then whatever.
• 1:00:40
  And so if I went onto my phone and someone has just broken a
• 1:00:42
  world record over in Berlin and they've set a 47 minutes dead on
• 1:00:47
  a men's open. You want to go and see?
• 1:00:48
  Yeah, it's on Verified. Yeah, and cool.
• 1:00:51
  But you're not a verified yeah record.
• 1:00:52
  Yeah, I think that's how I would approach.
• 1:00:54
  It sure. But you still have the issue
• 1:00:57
  with things like high rocks and all of these other races which
• 1:00:59
  are outdoors where it's, it's not like a standardised course,
• 1:01:01
  like each course has its own thing.
• 1:01:03
  So it's also quite difficult and that's a whole different topic
• 1:01:06
  in itself. But I do think there needs to be
• 1:01:09
  an understanding within amateur sports in general of when it's
• 1:01:14
  OK to be that critical. It's interesting, isn't it?
• 1:01:18
  Because this does like roll in from what we're just talking
• 1:01:20
  about. It's like the people who are
• 1:01:22
  getting upset, are you just taking it a bit too seriously?
• 1:01:25
  Because if you take a step back and just rationalize everything,
• 1:01:29
  is this person who's not doing the movement standards
• 1:01:32
  correctly, maybe their feet aren't in line when they burp in
• 1:01:35
  a high rocks race or whatever it happens to be, or they're not
• 1:01:37
  doing warbles to depth or whatever.
• 1:01:40
  Are you getting upset about that?
• 1:01:42
  For what reason? Like maybe they got faster time
• 1:01:46
  and now you're upset. And I can understand why that
• 1:01:48
  would be frustrating for you, but it doesn't affect anything.
• 1:01:51
  It's not like you're on a worldwide leaderboard.
• 1:01:52
  It's not like you're making prize, Might you?
• 1:01:54
  You haven't lost the sponsorship deal.
• 1:01:56
  So I can understand why it's it should be far more standardized
• 1:02:01
  and policed at the top of the sport where if I'm seeing and,
• 1:02:04
  and actually you do see this, some people like borderline
• 1:02:08
  depth squatting, I would call that person out because they're
• 1:02:12
  one of the best, They have the fastest times, but actually
• 1:02:15
  you're not doing the movement correctly.
• 1:02:16
  Maybe that's why you've got your fastest time.
• 1:02:18
  So for the top of the sport, for sure for amateur level, it
• 1:02:22
  should be standardized. But I understand that there's a
• 1:02:24
  lot of moving parts for high rocks currently.
• 1:02:28
  So yeah, if if we take this back to, I know some of the people
• 1:02:31
  who listen like CrossFit backgrounds and whatever and,
• 1:02:33
  and train CrossFit. The thing that frustrates me
• 1:02:36
  most with the movement standards within the sport of CrossFit
• 1:02:39
  less so than being upheld, but they're constantly changing.
• 1:02:44
  So it's like the standard is never standardized.
• 1:02:46
  So I can do a qualifier for one competition.
• 1:02:49
  And typically the way that CrossFit comps work, you do an
• 1:02:51
  online qualifier, you film it, you send it in, it gets watched
• 1:02:55
  by a judging team and they verify it, whatever, get put on
• 1:02:58
  the leaderboard. But I can do one competition
• 1:03:00
  where the standards for, let's say, a burpee box jump over is
• 1:03:05
  very different from another competition for the standards of
• 1:03:08
  exactly the same movement. So it's like, just make it
• 1:03:11
  consistent. Get rid of anything that causes
• 1:03:13
  any doubt. It's like hand positions and
• 1:03:16
  head positions on handstand push ups or it just like just make it
• 1:03:20
  the same for everything like remove all doubt and that way
• 1:03:23
  you have no clashing of heads and everyone knows the standards
• 1:03:26
  and it is what it is. One other sort of perspective to
• 1:03:31
  take on this is when you are at such an amateur level that the
• 1:03:35
  refereeing or the umpiring of your sport is done on a
• 1:03:38
  volunteer basis. So I'm thinking back to when I
• 1:03:42
  was playing cricket younger or even like when I was playing
• 1:03:47
  other schools in sports and our PE teachers had to be around.
• 1:03:50
  How OK is it for me to get annoyed at that person because
• 1:03:53
  they are, if they are volunteering, giving up some
• 1:03:55
  time that's. Creating the issue I think as
• 1:03:58
  well. Yeah, but like if I I was a
• 1:04:00
  bowler, if I clear cut got someone LBW to the point where
• 1:04:06
  the batsman started walking off and the umpire saying I don't
• 1:04:09
  think that was or you're just contesting it because they
• 1:04:12
  weren't sure. I want to be annoyed because I
• 1:04:15
  have done everything I needed to to do my job and then whatever.
• 1:04:18
  And you're not experienced enough or weren't paying
• 1:04:20
  attention enough, but I'm not paying you.
• 1:04:25
  Yeah, you are there and you're doing a Gen. probably a decent
• 1:04:29
  enough job the rest of the time. Yeah, it's so hard, isn't it?
• 1:04:33
  It's so difficult. It makes my skin crawl when I
• 1:04:35
  see people shouting at judges, whatever comp you're doing or
• 1:04:40
  ref. That's that's actually one of
• 1:04:42
  the main reasons why I stopped watching football is just I hate
• 1:04:45
  the way that football is professional football is like
• 1:04:47
  role models to so many millions of kids turn around and start
• 1:04:51
  screaming profanities of the ref.
• 1:04:53
  And like compare that to rugby, which I watch a lot of.
• 1:04:58
  One person speaks to the ref and it's the captain.
• 1:05:01
  And if you want to talk to the ref, you go through the captain
• 1:05:03
  and the captain walks over. He calls the ref Sir, it's like
• 1:05:07
  you don't back chat to the ref and if you do instant yellow and
• 1:05:10
  you see like the difference between getting yellow carded in
• 1:05:12
  a rugby game, the player already knows that they've done
• 1:05:15
  something wrong. They literally accept it.
• 1:05:17
  They're probably already walking off yellow card football yellow
• 1:05:20
  card. I'm going to shout at the ref.
• 1:05:22
  What he what's he going to do? He's going to upgrade it to a
• 1:05:24
  red. I don't understand the shouting
• 1:05:27
  and just like the theatrics around rolling around on the
• 1:05:29
  floor. I just.
• 1:05:30
  Want one step further than rugby as well?
• 1:05:32
  One of my favorite things when I was playing American football
• 1:05:36
  and in American sports, they're they're hot on this is, yeah,
• 1:05:41
  talking to the referee. So in rugby, you might get away
• 1:05:43
  with saying one or two things or not speaking at the ref.
• 1:05:45
  You might just be like, oh, boys, this ref's a joke, right?
• 1:05:48
  You might get a warning, you might get nothing for it if the
• 1:05:50
  refs are being alright. 5 meters or something.
• 1:05:53
  But in in American football, you could be like, the refs are
• 1:05:55
  fucking blind, whatever. Cool.
• 1:05:57
  Your whole team has gone back 10 yards instantly do it again.
• 1:06:01
  Your whole team's gone back another 10 yards, do it again.
• 1:06:04
  And and now you might be coming off the pitch.
• 1:06:06
  Your coach has probably already pulled you off because you just
• 1:06:08
  did detriment to the team. And I remember, I mean, we
• 1:06:11
  played some games where we played pretty well on paper.
• 1:06:14
  We'd sit down and our coach would be like, yeah, we lost 90
• 1:06:16
  yards to penalties because XY and Z wouldn't sharp.
• 1:06:20
  We can't be doing it. And The thing is, well, you can
• 1:06:22
  get penalized when you're not on the field.
• 1:06:24
  So if there were if there was a referee who decided that
• 1:06:28
  something was a fair catch from their team when there was all
• 1:06:33
  sorts of stuff that they did before this catch.
• 1:06:35
  And you were like, surely you saw him do the sideline cool.
• 1:06:39
  Your whole team's gone back 15 yards.
• 1:06:41
  You and you didn't you weren't even on the field.
• 1:06:43
  And I think that's brilliant. Yeah.
• 1:06:46
  It just, it honestly cuts the bullshit out of the small very
• 1:06:50
  quickly when it gets going. And in a in a big game where you
• 1:06:52
  have a back and forth, like it's cringe to call it a game of
• 1:06:56
  inches, but you can lose your team the game.
• 1:06:59
  But just poor discipline, yeah, for sure.
• 1:07:02
  And yeah, and. But I'm like, it's so easy to
• 1:07:04
  sit here and say that now because like the amount of times
• 1:07:08
  that I've said something to the ref was like muttered something
• 1:07:11
  under my breath and got in trouble for it just because like
• 1:07:13
  being inherently competitive, it's so frustrating in the
• 1:07:16
  moment and you can't rationalize it.
• 1:07:19
  Whereas actually in the grand scheme of things, it's not that
• 1:07:21
  deep. And you're just like the poor
• 1:07:23
  ref I've just screamed at. It was like just a normal guy
• 1:07:25
  who who's doing us a favour by reffing.
• 1:07:28
  But yeah, it's what it is. But yeah, just if you take
• 1:07:31
  anything away from this, it's like don't scream at your poor
• 1:07:33
  judge. They're doing their best.
• 1:07:35
  And if they're if they're calling a no Rep, it's taking
• 1:07:37
  you more time to spin round, scream at them to argue the
• 1:07:41
  point rather than just doing another Rep.
• 1:07:44
  Yeah, and and you're probably not going to run for this years
• 1:07:46
  down the line. I'm trying to think of an
• 1:07:47
  example where I've been penalized.
• 1:07:48
  I can't think of one, but I know that I was getting annoyed by
• 1:07:51
  things. Same, same current.
• 1:07:54
  OK. Maybe if I'm the worst guy, but
• 1:07:56
  I'm aware. And I I almost forgot we we need
• 1:08:00
  to do the rocks. We're getting carried.
• 1:08:02
  Away for those that didn't watch the last episode we did name as
• 1:08:08
  many as you can. It was it was good fun actually.
• 1:08:11
  One thing I need to pick up on if anyone's come here from the
• 1:08:13
  TikTok video where Charles successfully named 12 Formula
• 1:08:18
  One. You said you're really happy
• 1:08:20
  about our performance. Yeah.
• 1:08:21
  TikTok thought you were a joke. Really.
• 1:08:24
  TikTok was disappointed we didn't start at 40 odd names.
• 1:08:27
  I'm so glad I don't have TikTok. And I, I was, I, I'd reply to
• 1:08:30
  one of them like if it's quite impressive if you can name 40
• 1:08:33
  people in 60 seconds without repeating yourself, let alone
• 1:08:36
  drivers champs keep their warriors get.
• 1:08:38
  In front of the camera, get under the.
• 1:08:39
  Pressure exactly. Like what?
• 1:08:42
  How am I supposed to name 40 world drivers champions?
• 1:08:44
  Someone was just like, why wouldn't you just name all the
• 1:08:45
  world drivers champions? Well, because I can't just think
• 1:08:48
  of them like that, even though I'm a big fan of the sport.
• 1:08:50
  Yeah, anyway, it doesn't work like that.
• 1:08:52
  Anyway, I've used that guy. Oh.
• 1:08:56
  Behind the scenes stuff, I think it was on like 2 1/2 thousand.
• 1:08:59
  There you go, There you go. Follow on on.
• 1:09:02
  TikTok. So what we're doing this time,
• 1:09:05
  well, you're bringing it technically this time.
• 1:09:07
  What are we doing that's different?
• 1:09:09
  21 questions this time. So the aim being that you guys
• 1:09:13
  are listening is can see if you can beat us to the answer.
• 1:09:17
  Are you going to start off asking questions or are you
• 1:09:19
  going to start off with a thing I have?
• 1:09:23
  Something I have the something you have, and you're going to
• 1:09:25
  ask the 21 questions and see if you can get the thing within
• 1:09:29
  that time. I think I can get it in one
• 1:09:30
  question. I don't think you can.
• 1:09:34
  OK, you ready? If you can, it's just going to
• 1:09:38
  be so bad if you get this in one question that podcasts have
• 1:09:41
  done. Cool, it's give me £1,000,000.
• 1:09:44
  No. That means I'm so getting this.
• 1:09:46
  OK, You ready? Yeah, let's go.
• 1:09:48
  Is it a Bosu ball? It's so funny that I thought
• 1:09:53
  about doing that itself. For sure I was going to do that.
• 1:09:56
  I was like, no, no, it's not. That was very good, though.
• 1:10:00
  OK, that was a good guess. Is it alive?
• 1:10:03
  Yes. Wait, you're both so ball counts
• 1:10:07
  questions. You've got to you're honestly.
• 1:10:09
  So it is alive. Is it an animal?
• 1:10:14
  Yes. That was a hell of a pause.
• 1:10:19
  Is it something else as well as an animal?
• 1:10:22
  No. OK, Does it have 4 legs?
• 1:10:27
  No, Have two legs. Yeah, I'm going to ask this can
• 1:10:31
  count as a question, but are you being annoying?
• 1:10:33
  Because it does have two legs, but it's also got more legs.
• 1:10:36
  So has it got like, I don't know.
• 1:10:37
  I was going to say, has it got three legs?
• 1:10:40
  Technicalities. That's technicality.
• 1:10:41
  So it's got 2 legs. I think also I was being
• 1:10:46
  annoying with the animal one as well.
• 1:10:49
  OK, Is it a person? Yes.
• 1:10:50
  Oh OK, glad we cleared that up. I've lost count.
• 1:10:55
  OK. So next question I'm going to go
• 1:10:57
  with is, so they are alive, are they a famous athlete?
• 1:11:05
  Yes. Do they do a sport where running
• 1:11:09
  is involved? Yes.
• 1:11:13
  I think we're on like 8 or 9. Yeah, yeah, I'm losing count.
• 1:11:16
  OK, we'll say. We'll say I'm on 9.
• 1:11:18
  OK. That was very fair of you.
• 1:11:21
  Are they a champion at their sport?
• 1:11:24
  Yes. Currently.
• 1:11:29
  Yeah. So that's 11 or male.
• 1:11:34
  Ori lives forever. Are they male?
• 1:11:36
  No. What the PC of thing of me would
• 1:11:43
  be to ask if they're female or what do they identify as?
• 1:11:47
  But I'm going to I can't speak on their behalf.
• 1:11:48
  I'm going to take, I'm going to take the fact that they're not
• 1:11:51
  male. I'm going to ask, does she they
• 1:11:57
  play tennis? Yes, how have you gone for that
• 1:12:03
  man? Is it Serena?
• 1:12:05
  Williams It isn't. Is it Venus Williams No, that's
• 1:12:08
  those are waste questions. I wasn't even pouncing but we're
• 1:12:12
  on like 12 something now. No, we're on way more now.
• 1:12:15
  We're on like 14 all right. You're just like, I'm going to
• 1:12:21
  now name every female tennis player that I know.
• 1:12:23
  I want to do that, yeah. But my my knowledge of tennis
• 1:12:27
  recently in the last few years has been really bad.
• 1:12:29
  So. This.
• 1:12:30
  This hasn't been good. Did she win Roland Garros?
• 1:12:36
  No. Has she?
• 1:12:39
  Has she won a major this year? No.
• 1:12:41
  OK, is she English? Yes.
• 1:12:46
  Oh shit. Because I really shouldn't I?
• 1:12:50
  Well, again, technicalities. Technicalities on If you're
• 1:12:53
  English, she her. She plays under the nationality
• 1:12:57
  of Great Britain. Oh, I wish, I wish you hadn't
• 1:13:02
  done this because I'm really, really struggling for oh.
• 1:13:05
  You're going to kid yourself as well.
• 1:13:07
  I know, I think, I think I know who it is.
• 1:13:09
  I've genuinely forgotten her name.
• 1:13:14
  But the remaining questions? I don't even know what question
• 1:13:17
  we're on SO. Let's say 16.
• 1:13:19
  OK, five questions left. Does her name begin with L?
• 1:13:26
  No. Cool.
• 1:13:30
  Out of all the questions you could have asked you just no,
• 1:13:34
  OK, I'm not. There needs to be.
• 1:13:35
  Like yes or no questions I can't ask you.
• 1:13:38
  For like, yeah, well, I'm not going to give you anything.
• 1:13:43
  Everyone's screaming at home. I know it.
• 1:13:45
  You know, they know it. I know it.
• 1:13:47
  I just don't know it at the same time because I'm trying to.
• 1:13:53
  I all I know at this point is I'm going for a name of the
• 1:13:55
  person that I can see in my head and her name has just so it is
• 1:14:01
  so far out of my head. At the same time is is really
• 1:14:04
  really annoying. It's her first name.
• 1:14:13
  Speaking with an E, yes I feel like it's not Oh no I see.
• 1:14:26
  This is really annoying because I also don't want to take so
• 1:14:28
  long that people just tune off the podcast.
• 1:14:30
  Especially because everyone at home listening knows exactly who
• 1:14:33
  I'm talking about. Yeah, I kind of want to give up
• 1:14:40
  because. No, you've got to take more
• 1:14:41
  questions. I know.
• 1:14:44
  You can't give up. It's not I.
• 1:14:49
  Don't think it's Emma. It's Emma.
• 1:14:54
  Is it Emma? What kind of question?
• 1:14:57
  Yes, first name is Emma. Great.
• 1:14:59
  I'm 50% of the way. I've got Emma and for some
• 1:15:03
  reason I can. You just, you should have just
• 1:15:05
  been like, Oh my God, it's Emma. Yeah.
• 1:15:07
  And then just. Confidently just been.
• 1:15:09
  Like, you know Emma. You know Emma.
• 1:15:12
  Everyone knows Emma but me right now.
• 1:15:13
  Come on. Just her second name.
• 1:15:21
  We give it out. I've got 1.
• 1:15:25
  Why have you got that in your head?
• 1:15:26
  I don't know, I'm an absolute failure and I sincerely
• 1:15:33
  apologize to everyone listening. I kind of just want to put you
• 1:15:41
  out of your misery. I really kind of want you to,
• 1:15:43
  because I know that I think her surname isn't.
• 1:15:47
  It doesn't begin with L. It doesn't begin with Li.
• 1:15:49
  Don't think it's like classically British, which is
• 1:15:50
  what's throwing me off and making it really hard for me to
• 1:15:53
  remember. You would be correct just.
• 1:16:00
  Put me out of my misery. Radicani, fuck's sake, because
• 1:16:03
  you asked so few actual questions, you just spent the
• 1:16:05
  time like trying to remember this person's name.
• 1:16:08
  I was getting and do you know what?
• 1:16:09
  Do you know what makes no sense? I was getting her surname
• 1:16:12
  confused with a famous actor's surname.
• 1:16:15
  And she's been in some big films.
• 1:16:17
  And I, I something like radical kind of came into my head and I
• 1:16:20
  was like, no, that's the actor. You'd be gutted.
• 1:16:24
  But I also now can't remember. The actress's name?
• 1:16:27
  Fine. OK, well that was disastrous.
• 1:16:30
  Sorry for everyone, but it's now your turn.
• 1:16:34
  I'm excited and hopefully I can do a better job.
• 1:16:37
  I've got two things I want to pick between, and based on that,
• 1:16:40
  I kind of want to pick the harder one.
• 1:16:42
  So I have to put you out of your misery.
• 1:16:44
  But that would also make the episodes.
• 1:16:45
  Started longer. Everyone's like, go for the
• 1:16:48
  easier one. Yeah, I'll let this episode be
• 1:16:50
  done. OK, I'm going to go for the
• 1:16:52
  easier 1 and I'm going to say I've got it.
• 1:16:57
  OK, so now you can start asking questions.
• 1:17:01
  Is it an animal? No.
• 1:17:12
  Do you have one? No.
• 1:17:17
  You can own it though. Yes.
• 1:17:22
  Do I have one? No.
• 1:17:25
  Would I be embarrassed if I had one?
• 1:17:27
  No. Oh, Is it made out of metal?
• 1:17:37
  Yes. Is it hard to obtain?
• 1:17:44
  Yes. Can you buy it?
• 1:17:45
  No, You earn it. Yes.
• 1:17:55
  It's not just metal. Doesn't it has other materials?
• 1:17:59
  Yes, 10 questions so far. Does it come in a variety of
• 1:18:05
  metals? Yes.
• 1:18:07
  Are the metals precious? Yeah.
• 1:18:12
  The the metals come in different colours, Yes.
• 1:18:16
  Is it a medal? Yes, but you want a specific
• 1:18:21
  title medal. Is it 1 because you got that?
• 1:18:23
  Is it an Olympic medal? Yes.
• 1:18:27
  What more do you want from me? It's the Olympic gold medal.
• 1:18:30
  No. Oh, so it's it's this.
• 1:18:33
  OK. What?
• 1:18:34
  What's that? That's 1616.
• 1:18:37
  So we've got an Olympic medal. And you want more detail than
• 1:18:40
  that? Yeah.
• 1:18:43
  Is the medal associated with a specific sport?
• 1:18:45
  No. Is the medal associated to a
• 1:18:51
  specific Olympics? No.
• 1:18:58
  Right. You've thrown me now.
• 1:19:00
  I was, I was, I was, I was banking like just being a medal.
• 1:19:03
  And you're like, yeah, Oh my God, you got it.
• 1:19:04
  I'm taking. A bit of a Dick, yeah.
• 1:19:06
  You have basically gone. You have basically.
• 1:19:08
  So I've got an Olympic medal that's not specific to a sport.
• 1:19:14
  Is it a specific position? Yes, OK, you're 19.
• 1:19:20
  Oh, so. And it's already not a gold
• 1:19:23
  medal? No.
• 1:19:24
  Is it an Olympic silver medal? Yeah.
• 1:19:26
  Come on. I was hoping through your shoe
• 1:19:30
  measures you'd go gold. Is it Olympic gold medal?
• 1:19:32
  I go no and that would throw you so far off you would go away
• 1:19:34
  from it. Damn you actually got to medal
• 1:19:37
  within like 9 questions. Yeah, I was quite pleased with
• 1:19:39
  that. That was annoying because.
• 1:19:41
  After like 2-3 questions I was like, I have no idea what this
• 1:19:43
  could be. Yeah, objects are way harder
• 1:19:46
  than people because there's just so many.
• 1:19:49
  Way easier by the looks of. It no, but I'm very good at the
• 1:19:52
  game. I can let you go again if you
• 1:19:55
  want. I can let you do the hard no.
• 1:19:57
  I've got. I had I had the best one in my
• 1:19:59
  head if we were going to do another one.
• 1:20:02
  Go on, let me do one more. Let me redeem myself, and by
• 1:20:06
  that I mean further embarrass myself.
• 1:20:08
  OK, I'm so excited for this one. Is it alive?
• 1:20:11
  No, OK. Do I own it?
• 1:20:15
  No, you're just going to steal my questions.
• 1:20:18
  Yeah, because they're good question.
• 1:20:20
  You got it in. You got it in like 9?
• 1:20:23
  OK, I don't own it. Can I buy it?
• 1:20:27
  For sure, yes. Can I hold it in my hand?
• 1:20:32
  Yeah. Do I use it if I own it?
• 1:20:41
  Yeah, I do. OK.
• 1:20:44
  Would you look at it and go? That's cool.
• 1:20:49
  No. Would I want to own it?
• 1:20:54
  No, I wouldn't want to own it. That's seven, OK.
• 1:21:03
  Would I keep it on the floor? Yeah, that's such a niche
• 1:21:11
  question. I'm just.
• 1:21:12
  Starting to think you've gone with Bosie ball again.
• 1:21:17
  I wouldn't keep it on the floor. No, you would.
• 1:21:19
  Oh, I would, Yeah. OK.
• 1:21:21
  Well, I mean like if you're going to put it somewhere, you'd
• 1:21:24
  probably just put it on the floor.
• 1:21:27
  OK, would I use it daily? Yeah, you'll understand when you
• 1:21:36
  find out why these are. OK, Does it make a noise?
• 1:21:40
  No. Well.
• 1:21:43
  Is it? Is it fragile?
• 1:21:44
  No. I want to rewind to the make a
• 1:21:48
  noise thing. OK, because like you don't have
• 1:21:52
  it for it to make a noise, but when it functions like most
• 1:21:56
  things, it makes a noise. OK.
• 1:22:00
  You know, like if I used my phone, the tapping.
• 1:22:03
  OK, is this sport related? Yeah, OK.
• 1:22:10
  I've lost count again. I think that's 16.
• 1:22:13
  Really. Yeah.
• 1:22:14
  Wow, OK. Could be wrong, maybe it was 11
• 1:22:18
  I've I've lost the the finger thing.
• 1:22:19
  OK, let's just say it's 16 I. Lost the finger thing.
• 1:22:24
  The ability to count. I can't multitask.
• 1:22:27
  So, OK, you just put it on the floor.
• 1:22:30
  It kind of makes noise when it's doing its thing.
• 1:22:33
  You you when you use it, it will make a noise.
• 1:22:36
  I feel like I've made that way more complicated than it needs
• 1:22:38
  to be. When you use it makes a noise,
• 1:22:39
  whatever. Everything makes a noise when
• 1:22:41
  you use it, pretty much. Can I wear it?
• 1:22:43
  For sure. Oh.
• 1:22:46
  When it's not on the floor. Is it a pair of shoes?
• 1:22:50
  No. But you just put it on the
• 1:22:56
  floor. Yeah, I just say it's so logical
• 1:23:00
  to me, knowing what it is. Where?
• 1:23:03
  Else would I put it? That has thrown me off so much.
• 1:23:12
  Oh, shame. It's not shoe.
• 1:23:14
  OK, I didn't ask such a wasteful question.
• 1:23:19
  As I say, it doesn't go on your feet.
• 1:23:21
  Have legs? Does it have legs?
• 1:23:24
  Neither of those are questions. No, you can't ask them.
• 1:23:27
  Don't ask the feet one. I can wear it, it just goes on
• 1:23:30
  the floor. Don't.
• 1:23:32
  Don't fixate on the floor. It makes a.
• 1:23:34
  No, don't. Don't fixate on the floor all
• 1:23:37
  the noise. Thing.
• 1:23:37
  OK, well, it's hard not to. They're quite defining
• 1:23:40
  characters. I can hold they were bad
• 1:23:42
  questions. I can.
• 1:23:44
  You have a great question. I can hold it, but I'd leave it
• 1:23:49
  on the floor instead. What's going on?
• 1:23:51
  I can wear it. You don't have to use it 100% of
• 1:23:55
  the time. So when you're not using it, I'm
• 1:23:57
  going to put it on the floor. Maybe you don't.
• 1:24:02
  Maybe you don't keep I'm jaws on the floor.
• 1:24:05
  Things that I don't own that are like within this and not that I
• 1:24:08
  own a lot of things, but like, oh, oh, OK, I put stuff in it.
• 1:24:15
  Is it a rock sack? Yeah.
• 1:24:16
  Is it a built for athletes bag? Damn straight.
• 1:24:19
  I'm never only one of those. OK, we got there just for those
• 1:24:23
  that are wondering where that brain wave came from.
• 1:24:25
  I just looked about a meter to the left of the camera and my
• 1:24:29
  rock sacks there on the floor, which it's actually not.
• 1:24:32
  It's on a work. It's on a toolbox.
• 1:24:36
  That's what it's on. Well, OK.
• 1:24:38
  Oh, sorry. So I.
• 1:24:39
  Keep it on a toolbox. I think I got, yeah.
• 1:24:42
  Is that what threw? That's what threw you.
• 1:24:43
  Yeah, 100%. Shame.
• 1:24:46
  OK, I got there within 21 questions, so I've completely
• 1:24:48
  redeemed myself. Emma, I'm so sorry.
• 1:24:51
  I know you're a regular listener.
• 1:24:53
  We'll rearrange the guest podcast.
• 1:24:55
  I'll do some more research. And yeah, well, I've embarrassed
• 1:25:00
  myself, which means that the podcast has done its job.
• 1:25:04
  And I think we've actually spoken about some cool stuff
• 1:25:06
  there. So you guys, if you want to send
• 1:25:08
  in some more topics, like I said, it's always appreciated.
• 1:25:10
  I think we can talk about everything, so we will be.
• 1:25:15
  For a long amount of. Time and if things have been
• 1:25:17
  pissing you off and it's and it's not us, then do let us know
• 1:25:20
  and we'll include it in the episode.
• 1:25:22
  Even if it is US. Even if it is US and we'll
• 1:25:24
  include it. I mean, someone sent a great
• 1:25:26
  message about Charles in the last podcast.
• 1:25:29
  The way that he was holding the microphone.
• 1:25:30
  He's been so hot on it. This time was the claw grip.
• 1:25:33
  Do you want to demonstrate the claw?
• 1:25:34
  No, no. I.
• 1:25:35
  Don't want to further embarrass monster.
• 1:25:36
  I can't do anything. I'm I'm scrutinized.
• 1:25:38
  You could go back to the, you could just go back to the last
• 1:25:40
  episode and have a look. But but yeah, like always get in
• 1:25:43
  touch. It's, it's great to hear from
• 1:25:45
  you guys. We want to grow this thing and
• 1:25:46
  we're looking for ways of doing that.
• 1:25:47
  So if you've got suggestions on that or you'd actually just like
• 1:25:50
  to be involved and we should do a live 1 where you guys can get
• 1:25:53
  directly involved interactively, then let us know because that's
• 1:25:56
  something that we would love to do as well.
• 1:25:59
  But that has been another episode, which means that the
• 1:26:01
  next episode's going to be episode 60.
• 1:26:03
  That's wild, isn't it? That is wild.
• 1:26:04
  Yeah, look how far we've come. Thank you very much for all of
• 1:26:08
  your support to date and ongoing support as well.
• 1:26:12
  Charles, have you got anything to leave the people with?
• 1:26:15
  I don't think so. Thanks for listening.
• 1:26:17
  Thank you very much for listening and we will see you
• 1:26:19
  all in the next episode.