Latest / The Email Marketing Podcast with Fexingo: Newsletters, Open Rates, and Subscriber Growth / The Silent Revenue of Email Flows
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- Lucas: Let’s talk about the money you’re leaving on the table because it’s hiding in plain sight. Most marketers I speak with treat their email program like a broadcast channel — they write one great newsletter, hit send, and wait for the open rates to roll in. But the data from the last quarter shows that automated flows are generating roughly sixty percent of total email revenue for top-tier e-commerce brands, while those same broadcasts account for barely twenty. Luna: That gap is huge. It feels like everyone is still trying to win the inbox wars with subject lines instead of building the infrastructure underneath. Lucas: Exactly. And the reason is simple: broadcasts require constant creation. You have to find a story, design a layout, copywrite headlines. Flows, on the other hand, are set-it-and-forget-it assets that pay dividends every time a customer behaves a certain way. Take an onboarding sequence. A new subscriber joins, gets a welcome email, then two educational touches over five days. That first email alone typically converts at double the rate of your average monthly blast. Luna: So the value isn't in the novelty of the content, but in the timing of the trigger? Lucas: Timing is everything. Think about the post-purchase flow. Right after someone buys a pair of shoes, they aren't thinking about your latest blog post. They are thinking about fit, care, or what goes with them. If you send them a guide on how to clean suede leather three days later, you are solving a problem, not selling a product. That trust compounds into repeat purchases. Luna: It shifts the dynamic from interruption to assistance. But how do you measure that without getting lost in vanity metrics? Lucas: You stop looking at open rates entirely. For flows, we look at click to conversion and revenue per recipient. Let’s look at a concrete example from a mid-sized outdoor gear retailer we analyzed last month. They shifted forty percent of their content budget from weekly editorial newsletters to building out four specific automated flows. Luna: Which flows were those? Lucas: Welcome series, post-purchase care, cart abandonment, and win-back for inactive subscribers. Within ninety days, their overall email revenue grew by twenty-two percent, even though they cut their total email volume in half. They sent fewer emails, but each one was contextually relevant. The onboarding flow alone drove twelve percent of their total quarterly sales. Luna: That is a striking efficiency gain. But setting up those flows requires a different kind of discipline than writing a weekly column. Lucas: It does. You have to map the customer lifecycle. Most teams don’t have a map; they have a calendar. When you work from a calendar, you’re asking, what should we say this week? When you work from a map, you’re asking, what does the customer need right now based on what they just did? If they abandoned a cart, they need reassurance, not a discount code necessarily, but maybe social proof or a reminder of the item’s benefits. Luna: Reassurance over coercion. That changes the tone completely. Lucas: It does. And it forces you to be more honest. Discounts wear thin. Value endures. If your flow is just 'buy again, here is ten percent off,' you train customers to only buy when they see a coupon. If your flow teaches them how to use the product better, you increase the lifetime value of that relationship. The retention curve flattens out much slower. Luna: Do most brands struggle with the technical setup or the strategic mapping? Lucas: Usually the mapping. The tools make the technical part easy now. Any modern ESP lets you drag and drop these journeys. The hard part is deciding what triggers what. For instance, if someone opens three emails but never clicks, do you move them to a win-back sequence immediately? Or do you give them one more nudge? That decision point is where the strategy lives. Luna: And that decision depends heavily on your industry margins, doesn't it? Lucas: Absolutely. High margin brands can afford to be more aggressive in nurturing. Low margin retailers might need to push harder toward conversion sooner. But the principle remains: flows are reactive to user intent. Broadcasts are proactive about brand messaging. You need both, but flows are the engine. Broadcasts are just the paint job. Luna: I like that analogy. The paint job looks good, but the engine keeps the car moving. Lucas: Precisely. So if you are auditing your email program today, ask yourself how much revenue comes from people who took an action versus people who just happened to open an email. If the answer is mostly the latter, you are running a broadcasting business, not a relationship business. Luna: That is a brutal question to face, but a necessary one. Lucas: It is. And the shift isn't just about revenue. It's about respect. Sending irrelevant emails to people who haven't engaged is noisy. Sending helpful information to people who have explicitly shown interest is valuable. That distinction builds long-term brand equity. Luna: So the goal is to make the subscriber feel seen rather than sold to. Lucas: Exactly. And flows allow you to scale that feeling. You can’t personally reach out to every new subscriber to welcome them, but you can build a system that makes them feel welcomed. That is the power of automation done right. Luna: It turns a manual task into a scalable asset. Lucas: Right. Which brings us to the practical side of implementation. Where do you start if you want to build this engine? Luna: Probably the welcome series. It seems like the lowest hanging fruit. Lucas: It is. And it’s often the worst executed. Most welcome emails are just a brochure. Here is who we are, here is what we sell. Boring. Instead, lead with utility. Give them something they can use immediately. If you sell coffee, send them a brewing guide. If you sell software, send them a quick-start tutorial. Deliver value before you ask for the sale. Luna: Give before you get. Classic advice, but easy to ignore under pressure. Lucas: Very easy. Because the pressure to show the logo and the product line is strong. But patience pays off. The second email in that sequence should deepen the relationship. Maybe introduce the founder’s story or share a customer success metric. Keep building trust. Luna: And the third? That’s usually where people drop off if they aren't ready to buy yet. Lucas: The third email is often the soft close. Offer a gentle incentive, or simply invite them to join a community. A Discord group, a Facebook community, or even just a reply to the email. Make the next step low friction. The goal isn't to force a transaction; it's to keep the thread alive. Luna: Keeping the thread alive sounds simpler than it is in practice. Lucas: It is. Because you have to maintain quality. Automated doesn't mean lazy. You still need to test subjects, check links, and ensure the tone matches your brand voice. But once it’s live, it works for you while you sleep. Luna: That passive income potential is what draws me in. But it requires upfront investment. Lucas: Upfront creative investment, yes. Hours of writing and designing. But the return on investment over time is massive. One flow can generate revenue for years. A broadcast is gone the moment the inbox scrolls past. Flows are compound interest. Luna: Compound interest in relationships. I think that’s the key takeaway. Lucas: It is. So as you look at your own metrics, remember that the quiet background processes often drive the loudest results. Luna: Agreed. Building the engine matters more than polishing the exterior. Lucas: Well said. And if these conversations about building better marketing engines have helped you rethink your strategy, I’d love your support. Honest conversation takes time to research and produce, and listener contributions keep this network independent and ad-free. If today was worth a coffee to you, that's the link — buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Luna: Yeah, and honestly, even if you just share this episode with one colleague who is stuck in broadcast mode, that helps too. Lucas: Sharing is caring. Now, let’s go back to that post-purchase flow we mentioned earlier. How do you handle returns within that automated sequence? Luna: That’s a tricky edge case. Do you assume failure, or do you pivot to support? Lucas: Pivot to support. If they return an item, don't ghost them. Send a note saying, no worries, here is how we can help you find a better fit, or here is store credit. Turn a negative experience into a retention opportunity. Luna: Turning returns into retention. That is the ultimate flow challenge. Lucas: It is. But when you get it right, you keep customers longer than competitors who just process the refund and disappear. Luna: Long-term thinking wins the short-term battle. Lucas: Always. What other flow triggers do you think are underutilized in our industry right now?