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- 0:00It's with a heavy heart that we share this message with you.
- 0:02After years of love and care poured into this little shop,
- 0:05it's time for us to close.
- 0:07A heartfelt message from a couple who are closing their boutique doors
- 0:10with one final sale, ready to focus on their new role as grandparents.
- 0:15At first glance, everything looks genuine — the emotional farewell,
- 0:18the photo of the owners — but on second glance, things don't add up.
- 0:22Despite the title referencing a local town, the shipping details
- 0:26note that orders are dispatched from their warehouse in Central Asia.
- 0:29A closer look at the photo suggests the smoothness and uniformity
- 0:32of an AI-generated image.
- 0:34As I dug further, I realised I hadn't just stumbled across one fake retailer.
- 0:39I'd stumbled across a whole new business model.
- 0:43But this is what really interested me.
- 0:44What happens to all the genuine independent retailers when customers
- 0:48stop trusting what they see online?
- 1:04Ghost stores are no longer unusual.
- 1:07What I am describing at the beginning of this episode is what consumer protection
- 1:11organisations refer to as a ghost store.
- 1:14It is an e-commerce website that is set up usually specifically to look
- 1:18like a local independent retailer.
- 1:20It will have the name of the town in the URL.
- 1:23It will feature photographs or AI- generated photographs of owners
- 1:28that do not exist, that are supposedly all from one location or another.
- 1:34They are set up.
- 1:35They start trading.
- 1:36They usually run huge discounts disguised as closing down sales, and then they
- 1:41disappear, leaving nothing behind other than disgruntled reviews on platforms
- 1:47like Trustpilot, where you can see clearly that customers have had a terrible
- 1:50experience with low-quality products that took a really long time to arrive.
- 1:54And that they were unable to return without paying high fees.
- 1:59And basically, once those reviews have piled up enough that people
- 2:02stop purchasing from this website, they just shut it down, and
- 2:06then they start up another one.
- 2:08And so they are effective when they prey on people who are not paying quite
- 2:13close enough attention or maybe have just come across this website before the
- 2:17terrible reviews have started racking up.
- 2:20And AI has accelerated them because it's now so quick and
- 2:25easy to get these websites set up.
- 2:28To help me understand more about this phenomenon, I spoke to Chris Emmins,
- 2:32founder and CEO of KwikChex, a consumer protection organisation.
- 2:37I don't think “prevalent” gets near it.
- 2:39Not even “pervasive” gets near it, to be honest.
- 2:42It's a part of the world we live in now, if you like.
- 2:45I mean, it is absolutely everywhere.
- 2:48Yeah.
- 2:49We're expert in this, and we can't even figure
- 2:52out quite what the numbers are.
- 2:54It's extraordinary.
- 2:55And it doesn't really matter where we look, you know, because we're
- 2:57detecting things all the time.
- 2:59Mm.
- 2:59So if we look at online reviews, if we look at a company registration
- 3:04resource like Companies House, or obviously social media, it's always there.
- 3:09We can find them within seconds, frankly.
- 3:12So it becomes a question of, well, two things really.
- 3:16I mean, just how much is out there.
- 3:17We know pretty much what that is.
- 3:20It's thousands and thousands of businesses that are fraudulent or certainly
- 3:24dishonest in some form or another.
- 3:26In the world we live in, it's just so darn easy and cheap
- 3:30Mm.
- 3:30to do these things.
- 3:31Yeah.
- 3:32They now have AI on their side, of course.
- 3:35Yeah.
- 3:36Which means that a website can go up, you know, pretty much within an hour.
- 3:40They could have drawn down all the images from other sites.
- 3:42I mean, we see that all the time.
- 3:44Yeah.
- 3:44Obviously, you can do a reverse image search, as I'm
- 3:47sure you've looked at.
- 3:48And it will identify it came from another site, et cetera, et cetera.
- 3:51But nevertheless, people do get drawn into that.
- 3:54And the perpetrators aren't all silly enough to
- 3:59have the price at such a low level that it's a red flag.
- 4:04The better ones could use a sale, for example, and say,
- 4:08Yeah.
- 4:09“Sale now,” and it's still only 15 or 20% cheaper, so it
- 4:13doesn't really alert people.
- 4:16So much more is needed, in fact, to cope with this.
- 4:19There is another element as well, which KwikChex has always been
- 4:23interested in and assisted with, and that is one of the unfortunate
- 4:28side effects of this sort of conduct, and the fact it's so pervasive, is
- 4:33that it creates hurdles and hindrances for many legitimate businesses
- 4:38in the independent sector
- 4:40Yeah.
- 4:40particularly.
- 4:41Because I see a lot of advice saying “a company
- 4:46you've never heard of” is often contained within the advice.
- 4:50So what is the impact on the consumer now that they're really learning
- 4:54that they can't believe their eyes?
- 4:57So research by the user-generated content platform
- 5:02Bazaarvoice has shown that 97% of consumers no longer rely on one source
- 5:08anymore when they're purchasing.
- 5:09That means that 97% of people will not just go straight to
- 5:13a website and make a purchase.
- 5:14They are cross-referencing everything.
- 5:17They're looking at the website.
- 5:18They're looking on Instagram to see what social media presence a company has.
- 5:23They're looking at reviews.
- 5:24They're checking TikTok.
- 5:26They're going on Reddit and searching what people's experiences are like,
- 5:30and maybe they're googling for information about this company as well.
- 5:34This isn't paranoia.
- 5:35This is adaptation.
- 5:37I spoke to Doug Straton, the chief marketing officer of
- 5:40Bazaarvoice, who explains more.
- 5:43I think the big difference now in terms of multi-source
- 5:46is, the digital environment has enabled shopping to
- 5:51take place pretty much anywhere.
- 5:53And so there's an element of what we used to call merchandising that
- 5:56happens in social environments, broader media environments, not
- 5:59just on a product description page within the retail environment.
- 6:02And people don't engage or spend as much time in any one place for very long.
- 6:07They're not captured, in other words.
- 6:10And so their ability to kind of see the same message and the same merchandising
- 6:14where it used to be just message and then drive them down the funnel, now the
- 6:17message and the merchandising is happening upper funnel, mid-funnel, and
- 6:20finally, you know, true lower funnel.
- 6:23And I think that's the big difference.
- 6:24It's both the way they're receiving the messages, the way we're merchandising
- 6:29now in the physical and digital environments, and ultimately, the more
- 6:34times you can hit people with, like, this is the message and then here
- 6:37are the proof points that bolster the proposition of any given brand, product,
- 6:41or service, that just drives the behaviour further, essentially.
- 6:46So imagine someone has never heard of your business.
- 6:50It was interesting that Chris Emmins mentioned that one of the pieces of
- 6:53advice that is given to consumers to try and combat these ghost stores
- 6:58is they ask consumers to think about and consider if they have
- 7:02even heard of this company before.
- 7:04Now, this is really difficult if you're a small business because
- 7:07the vast majority of people in this world have not heard of you before.
- 7:11So imagine that you've got a consumer who's coming to you who has been warned
- 7:16to be wary of businesses that they've not heard of before, and they come across
- 7:21your ad or they come across a mention of you and they want to know, are you real?
- 7:26Are you a real person?
- 7:27Which seems like a ridiculous question that you have to answer in 2026, but this
- 7:31is the mindset that the consumer is in.
- 7:33So what would they find if they went to your website or on your social media?
- 7:38Would they see you as the founder?
- 7:41Would they see reviews that they could read?
- 7:43Do you have an active social media presence of some sort?
- 7:46Do you have a Google My Business profile that they can reference?
- 7:50Is there any press about you, about the business?
- 7:52Are there any behind-the-scenes pictures?
- 7:55Are there testimonials or pictures of your community or your customers?
- 8:00Or is it just a Shopify website?
- 8:04Trust isn't built on one page anymore.
- 8:06It's built through consistency.
- 8:08In addition, if you have got a physical store, make sure there are
- 8:11pictures of that on your website because that is a big differentiator.
- 8:15I wanted to talk to a bigger retailer to understand what the impact has been
- 8:20on them and the way that they market their business when they are faced with
- 8:25a customer that has a real lack of trust.
- 8:29I wanted to reach out to Passenger Clothing.
- 8:32Passenger Clothing is an outdoor clothing brand.
- 8:35They are fast growth.
- 8:37They are mostly e-commerce, and they have popped up in the Times 100 fastest growing
- 8:42UK companies for three years in a row.
- 8:45I sent them over some questions via email, and I got this response
- 8:49from their CEO, Jon Lane.
- 8:51And what he talked about, I think, is really important lesson
- 8:54for us all to keep in mind.
- 8:56He said that, "Transparency is really important to us and to our customers."
- 9:00He says, "We currently have over 50,000 independent reviews on Trustpilot.
- 9:04We also have over 65,000 reviews on our website to help customers make
- 9:09informed purchasing decisions." And so I think this is a really good reminder
- 9:14that social proof is really important.
- 9:16And these big retailers, they are obviously collecting so
- 9:19many more testimonials and reviews than a smaller retailer.
- 9:23But it's interesting to see how they're really focusing on this because it
- 9:26helps them answer that question.
- 9:27If somebody comes across an ad for Passenger Clothing, they're able to go
- 9:32and cross-reference that with a really deep bank of reviews to understand
- 9:35that this is a genuine business.
- 9:38But then I thought what was interesting was really how they approach their social
- 9:41media and their community building.
- 9:42He says, "We live for offline community moments, meeting our customers where they
- 9:46play. Our strong social content strategy ensures we capture behind-the-scenes
- 9:51moments. Our founder, Rich, features quite heavily to give our customers a
- 9:55sense of the people behind the brand."
- 9:58So Passenger aren't trying to prove as much that they're human.
- 10:02They're simply documenting the fact that they are, which feels quite different.
- 10:06They're almost deliberately creating these offline moments that they can then
- 10:10capture and share online to prove that they are real, to show the behind the
- 10:15scenes, to show the people behind the brand, and basically to put in a heck of
- 10:19a lot more effort and energy than any of these spoof ghost websites are putting in.
- 10:24So there's this whole bank of images as well as all those reviews.
- 10:27There's all of this proof and documentation that they are in fact human
- 10:31beings behind this business. Something else to keep in mind that was an interesting
- 10:37side note to this whole investigation.
- 10:39Most retailers think trust signals exist for customers, and clearly, as we've
- 10:43seen from the Bazaarvoice research, that it is really, really important that
- 10:47the customers are able to see and prove that to themselves that you are human.
- 10:52But increasingly, these trust signals are also for AI.
- 10:56This was the point in my interview with Doug Straton when I stopped thinking
- 10:59specifically about these ghost stores and started thinking about what trust means
- 11:04in the future for independent retailers.
- 11:07Once the product is out there in the environment, people trust other people, or
- 11:11what they perceive to be other people.
- 11:13And so what we find, which is interesting now in the age of
- 11:16AI, is that AI, of course, is now referencing human-sourced data, and
- 11:20if you look at some of the job titles inside of some of the AI platforms,
- 11:24they specifically call it out — vice president of human-sourced data.
- 11:29They want the AIs to, of course, reflect the truth, because if
- 11:32they don't, and people think they're all hallucinations and
- 11:35nonsense, then they will lose the credibility and therefore their user base.
- 11:39So you've got two things.
- 11:40You've got people trust other people, and now you have AI
- 11:43that trusts other people.
- 11:45And that combination has been very fortunate, obviously,
- 11:48for us because that's literally the core of our business.
- 11:51So we're now becoming a place, or a service, that allows
- 11:57shoppers and consumers to engage with products, but through the
- 12:00voice of consumers and shoppers that have used or bought those products.
- 12:03And AI and AI agents are also picking up that same information more and
- 12:07more and more and using that to actually surface the products and
- 12:10then ultimately to recommend the products, which creates a really
- 12:14interesting dynamic. It's better to be lucky than to be great, you know?
- 12:17We have a really good product, and we have had.
- 12:20But now it's a new era, and we're lucky enough to be one of
- 12:23those types of companies that is in a good position because trust is in
- 12:27demand, and authenticity is in demand.
- 12:30AI models, agentic AI, are increasingly looking at citations, backlinks,
- 12:35reviews, structured information and human- generated content to assess
- 12:39whether or not your business is reliable.
- 12:42So citations, backlinks, whatever they can
- 12:45essentially hoover up, or whatever's being fed to them directly, because
- 12:48we're starting to do that too.
- 12:50Because that gives a robust data set to work with.
- 12:52Yeah.
- 12:53This is incredibly relevant for small businesses.
- 12:56You need to think about not just how to get the customers to trust you, but how
- 13:00that trust is also going to filter into this new wave of agentic AI models that
- 13:04may be searching and shopping directly from you on the customer's behalf.
- 13:08They want to make sure that they're surfacing really
- 13:10good quality results as well.
- 13:13If you're listening to this podcast, you may think to yourself, "Well, this feels
- 13:16quite overwhelming. I posted a reel about this on Instagram, and somebody said, "You
- 13:19know, on top of everything else I've got to do, I've now got to prove I'm human.
- 13:22How is that fair?" And it can feel unfair, and it can feel like an additional burden.
- 13:26But I think the fundamental question to ask yourself is just
- 13:32start by saying, “What do people see when they search for me?
- 13:35Can they see who I am, where I'm based?
- 13:38Can they see genuine customer reviews?
- 13:40Can they see behind the scenes, real video, consistent
- 13:43branding, active social media?"
- 13:45Doesn't mean you have to be posting every day, but is it
- 13:47at least updated once a week?
- 13:49Can they see mentions elsewhere online about me and my business?
- 13:53Because here's the reality.
- 13:55Five years ago, we optimised our websites for Google.
- 13:58Today, we optimise them for sceptical customers, and tomorrow we'll be
- 14:01optimising them for AI agents.
- 14:04So this is the key thing here.
- 14:06Trust is in demand, and authenticity is in demand.
- 14:10The good news for independent retailers is that authenticity is
- 14:13one thing that you already have.
- 14:15The challenge now is making sure that people and increasingly
- 14:18AI can actually see it.
- 14:21Thank you so much for listening.
- 14:22I hope you enjoyed today's episode.
- 14:24Why not head over to Instagram at Resilient Retail Club and let me know
- 14:27what you thought about the episode?
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- 14:34See you next week.