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The Moment You Realise It's Not Your Forever Job · Reframe

• 0:12
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Reframe, where honest conversations create new possibilities.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: With Sarah and Danny, and each week we sit down together to explore life, growth, and everything in between.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: Hello! Hi Danny, how are you?
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: Good, good.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: Very excited to be here.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: This week, or the next two weeks, shall I say, we've decided to do something different.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: We have our ninth and our tenth episode, which feels feels quite big in itself, doesn't it?
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: It does, it's exciting.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: Got out nine and ten episodes.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm excited about it.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: But it was your idea.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: So do you want to kind of briefly touch on what we're gonna do that's a little bit different these next two weeks?
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we just thought that it would be really nice to get to know us maybe a little bit more, um, Danny and I.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so we are going to interview each other with three key questions about reframing and just yeah, hear each other's experiences through life of things being reframed for us by the people we meet, the experiences we have, and what that's taught us about our own process for reframing.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I think we were just discussing, weren't we, if we kind of like think about, especially with how we've been moving through the podcast and what we've now learned about the conversations that we're having, what is it that we kind of see as a reframe?
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I think for me it's about how when we reframe something, we are often we're opening ourselves to a different perspective of what we might have had before, and we're allowing something to change the trajectory of what we're doing or what where we're going because of that moment that has helped us reframe.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, tell me, Danny, what do you think about reframing and what you've kind of experienced so far on that?
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: I would say the same, definitely a different perspective.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: For me, reframe could be there's a way that I'm thinking about something or doing something, or maybe a belief, and it's how I can see it differently, or how someone else might see it differently that might change, yeah, the way I think of something, or like you say, the kind of trajectory of things.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I think something that we connected on, and the reason we did the podcast is we've always done that, we've always got into the depth, we've always got into ah well, I might think this, or wow, I experienced this, and I think we've always come away, or I've always come away with, oh, maybe I didn't think of it in that way, or ah wow, that's really sometimes shone a light on it.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it necessarily always has to be a change of thought, but it's maybe just seeing something a little bit clearer as well, perhaps.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, some clarity sometimes, isn't it?
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, with that in mind, shall we dive in?
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to ask you some questions first today.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we like like we say, we've been talking about the the times in our lives that this maybe has happened for us that we can remember.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: So the first question I have for you is can you share with us a um an event or an experience that's reframed life for you?
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: Something that you can remember helped shift things for you.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and the first thing that comes to my mind, which I don't necessarily know why it feels like a kind of poignant moment, but maybe that'll come clear when I explain as well.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: I remember, which is really funny, my old job, I can actually see it from my window right now.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: My old job, my HR corporate job, which I fell into by um literally just not so I was in recruitment at the time, wasn't my jam at all.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, let's just get something to get me out of it, and fell into this job and loved it to start with.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_01: But it got to a point where I was like, what am I doing here?
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd never really known specifically what I wanted to do as a career.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: But something I always said to myself is I don't want a nine to five office job.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: And that's exactly where I found myself.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: And the other thing I remember from one of my last lectures when I did my psychology degree, they put a lecture up that was like, this is what people kind of tend to go into after a psychology degree.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_01: And it was something like 40 to 45% go into HR.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember at the time thinking, who the hell would want to go into HR?
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what the hell is that?
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: And again, like all of those kind of moments came back to me at one point.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what am I doing here?
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't necessarily that I hated the job at the time or there was nothing wrong with it, but I could just, there was just like this isn't what I really want to be doing.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: I fell into it and I was actually there for like six years in the end.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: But that was a real, it feels like a I guess a turning point of asking myself, well, what did interest me, or what do I actually want to do?
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: And again, not having a really clear this is what I want to do as a career or this is what I want to do for work.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: I asked myself, like, what was I interested in?
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a reason I went to uni to do psychology, and as part of the first year, you could you could um you had to do an extra module, and so there was a list that they gave you to do.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I chose to do counselor and psychotherapy, which actually wasn't on the list, it was on a second year list, so I asked if I could do it, and they said yes.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I felt completely out of my depth because this was on a this module was part of a course that people were doing counselor and psychotherapy, and I just really enjoyed it, I really found it fascinating.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I think part of the reason I went into psychology is that idea that it's actually therapy.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of people think psychology is therapy, and it's it's it's not, it's very different, and I was the same.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I think all of those kind of moments just came to me, and that's when I decided, right, that was an interest, let's explore that.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: I did an intro course, and then that led on to other things.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: So that felt like a real turning point, and I guess that was a reframe of me connecting to what do I actually want to do, kind of I guess not living life maybe as passively.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, I felt like I fell into that job.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: It was a it was a moment that um was like, let's decide, let's kind of take some control of the direction that I want to go.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, so I guess saying that out loud, that's why it feels like a experience.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: That was a reframe.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: And do you remember what you were feeling at the time when you kind of when you hit that kind of moment, like something dropped in in like a oh my goodness, what am I doing here?
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like just standing in your life one day and thinking, oh my goodness, how did I get here?
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: Was it like that?
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: And what did it feel like when you kind of connected into that for yourself?
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: What was what was going on for you?
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: I wonder.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it wasn't as though you know I was in a really bad place.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't as though I really as they hated work or like like I really wasn't in that place.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was just more of a what am I doing here?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: A bit more of like a light bulby check in with yourself.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like this isn't maybe what you wanted to do.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I and I think I kind of phrased it to you it was a moment where I was like, You you want more from life, and that wasn't an object thing, it wasn't like a greed thing, it was this isn't the more that I wanted.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so there was really that like, yeah, what am I doing?
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: And a permission to I guess reframeshift my perspective that it's okay to want something more or something different.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: And that to me was a really aligned career, yeah.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I I I really like that because I think what that shows to me is sometimes we kind of be like life can be a habit and things can become like just routine, but there's a little moment where something drops in like that, a thought, and it actually is saying to you, there's more, there is more, and you're not ignoring that thought, and you're going, Yeah, I sense it, I can sense there's more available to me, and therefore I'm gonna take this signpost and I'm going to explore what that more might be.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly how it felt really.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: There is more available to me, there's more that I am interested in that spot.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's okay to pursue that, yeah.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: And that's it felt like a permission for me to do that, yeah.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, now we talk about it as well.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like another one that comes to my mind, which is a lot earlier.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: Try and say this quickly, but a lot earlier in my life, I was um like literally when I was a child, I used to do gymnastics and I used to do it quite competitively.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: And it got to the point where I could progress.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: And it was gonna mean that I was gonna be training like four or five times a week.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: I was already maybe doing two, three times a week.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: And it was a point where I had to choose do I want to really commit to this path, yeah, or not.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I chose not to.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I think some people, you know, like family at the time, maybe didn't understand it.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: Now for me, maybe I don't know if I knew this at the time.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking, you know, I don't know, 10, 11, 10, 10.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't know if I remembered this at the time.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think the driving force was I want to spend time with my friends.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like I want to spend my time elsewhere.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so I guess some people might have seen that as like I was quite good at it.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm wasting something here.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: And what I've been reflecting on recently is that was not my path and that was not my story.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't meant to be, I wasn't meant to progress.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: I just feel like I know that.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so I guess that was a really, really, if I look back on it now, a really, really early experience of choosing myself and what was important to me when I didn't know it.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so again, maybe when I'm in work, that was a more recent experience.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think those are the parts that stand out for me, the times where I really chose to listen to sometimes maybe not even knowing it.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that when we can see those points in our lives where we've done that, where we've chosen ourselves over what's expected of us, it really helps us to be more kind of anchored into trusting ourselves, doesn't it?
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: If we can evidence that we've had times in our lives where we have made those decisions and it it we know now on reflection it was absolutely the right thing to do, even though at the time it might have felt a little bit scary and there was uncertainty, then we can say, okay, I can trust myself.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: I can learn to trust myself.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so yeah, that's beautiful examples of that, definitely.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I wonder if you could also share with us any a person or people that have um helped you reframe your life as well.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: We touched on the questions yesterday, didn't we?
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: And we didn't really uh talk too much about them, which is really nice to explore that with you now.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: Last night, I think it was just the question was on my mind, and there's so many people.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: As I started to think of one person, another person, another person, I was like, wow, there's so many people in my life that help me reframe or um have a different perspective, and so I feel so lucky to be able to answer that with so many people.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: But where I like where my brain first goes to, and I've touched on this in the podcast briefly, but it's really nice to have the opportunity to kind of explore that more and and give the context.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: There's certain people that I feel like I just was meant to meet at the time that I met them because of what's happened after it.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: And the first person that comes to my mind where I really was like, I was meant to meet this person as my chiropractor.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I was just kind of sitting and thinking about all the different things.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: The reason I say I was meant to meet that person is there's so many just kind of like odd little things that add to that moment.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: So when I met my chiropractor, I'd been looking online, Googling chiropractors around Manchester.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: I was having migraines at the time and sore back and things like that.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I went to get my nails done.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: And the little things that I say was like, I think I went on like a Monday and I'd never go on a Monday.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I'd go, I went at this time and I'd never go at that time, usually.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just those little things that that really made me chuckle.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: And there was someone else in there, and again, I wouldn't really talk to people in when I was getting my nails done, but we got chatting.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: What do you do?
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: She says, Oh, I'm a chiropractor.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: I said, hilarious, I've been looking for one.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so I went to um I went to meet her.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: She literally, after that that day, never had a make migraine, sorted my back out.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: So there's that part, which feels like such a small part of why I was meant to meet her, because she's helped me in so many ways with business that she won't even ever know.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I have told her this, but she but she won't.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: She's like the ultimate girl's girl, she supported me in business.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: She was also self-employed, so there was a kind of similar path there.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but just so helpful.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: She introduced me to people, and I just remember um that really was the start of my private practice and exploring whether I should work in person and with an office, and so all of these things, as I say, that she won't even realize that she massively reframed or made me think about and consider um a lot of things in business and just such a supportive, gorgeous gal.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: So, shout out Dr.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: Roberta.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: If you're around Manchester and you need your bag sorted, go to her.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: There's plug number one.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: Two, you and again, I'm glad that I had that experience with Dr.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Roberta to again be able to recognise that you were another person.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: And again, I was thinking about this yesterday.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: So we went to the event with Abby, didn't we?
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Her tag is social plus Abby.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Have I got that right?
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we can put we can pop her below.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: She's very good, she's very useful to know.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: But she was someone so I didn't follow her at the time.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: I was um co-working with some people, and one of the people that I was with um said hi to her.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: And she was like, Oh, I've got this event on Thursday, you know, I think it was like Tuesday or something.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't even think I massively needed B-roll at the time, but something in me was like, Yeah, let's go get some content and do a bit of networking.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I think there was one space left.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: So again, these little tiny, just like funny things.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, right, okay, yeah, let's go.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: I signed up.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: And who did I meet?
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: You and we didn't stop talking and we had such good conversations.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I even remember um when Abby was getting the content for us, we were in conversation, she had to interrupt us, didn't she?
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: She was like, okay, let's move on, because we were just in conversation.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: And again, look to look to where we are now, literally on this podcast talking about reframing.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, there's so so many many people that I could credit as well.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've got to talk about Claire, we've always known every single day and reframe for each other and challenge each other, like my supervisor who helps me to look at client work.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: My partner who's like, where the hell, like, where is your head at today?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, have to kind of put up with my beliefs and me reframing, uh, which must be hard to handle.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I'm so I'm so grateful and so lucky that I've got a lot of people that have helped me and do continue to help me reframe.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I um and I just want to point out that that is just as part of your human design, that is um just absolutely aligned because you are a manifesting generator, so you have that sacral energy.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: So your strategy is to respond.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: So when you've got that kind of little moment where you don't even question it in the moment, it just feels like the right thing to do.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm gonna go to the, you know, like go to the get my nails done today, or whatever it is, you've kind of responded to life and it's taken you along a path that means it's aligned and therefore it's unfolded in the way that it's supposed to for you.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: But then the other thing is you've got a four in your profile, and the four is about networking, it is about people, all your opportunities and learning come through people.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's completely aligned for you to follow that thread as well, that's where the people lead you.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: So there's no surprise that for you it feels like there are numerous people that are helping you along your path and helping you find your way, because it's absolutely aligned for that to be the case.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: So just giving that human design perspective on that as well for you.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: So and I think this is one of the conversations we actually had the first time we met.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think I was telling you about my chiropractor, and I remember saying something similar to you, like, go with those moments where it's like, pop to the shop, you should do this, you should do this to listen to it.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: So that's been really helpful.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: That very, that very clear yes, that you actually do, you know, that kind of clear understanding that you have of um something that's pulling you towards it and something that's pushing away.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: And it goes back to even those experiences that you were talking about as well, not just people, but experiences that you can learn to trust that because you are you are you're evidencing that for yourself in this conversation.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, so oh that's amazing.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for sharing us and thank you for giving me a name drop.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: I absolutely appreciate that and I'll probably and then I just wonder if with that kind of whole understanding of if we're talking about reframes being things that set us on a slightly different trajectory or knowing that um they give us a shift in our perspective.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know how your process of reframing works for you?
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: As in, do you know what helps you to reframe things?
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: And if you feel a little bit stuck, what are the things that you then kind of access for yourself that help you to reframe things?
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think I have, I think it's been a journey and a process in itself for me to get to where I am now.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think I do often tend to ask myself if I can look at this differently or to kind of be able to recognise that when I definitely once probably didn't.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I just want to acknowledge, first of all, it's probably taken a process to get there.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: But I think sometimes when I'm focused on something, I can go quite closed in, quite narrow-minded, and I think that's normal for a lot of us.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: And so sometimes I feel that frustration in in me, or like, oh, I'm only seeing this, I can't see the other thing.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: And that is a moment where first of all, it's like, okay, how can I see this differently?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: How can I look at this differently?
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I think a lot that a lot of what comes into my client work is we live with ourselves all day, all the time throughout our lives.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so a really useful thing that comes into my therapy work is well, if you were saying this exact thing to a friend, what would they say to you?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Or like if your friend was saying this, how would you respond to them, or what would you say to them?
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because the answer's always different.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: We're a lot kinder to other people, and they're a lot kinder to us than we are to ourselves.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I think part of my process is also doing that for myself.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like if Sarah was telling me this, how would I respond to her?
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's probably very different to what I would say or I'm saying to myself, or like what would Sarah advise me on?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's a really useful process for me to kind of shift and reframe.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: But also, again, when I think I'm kind of attached to something and and narrowed in, I think I the break is really useful.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I know that we've sometimes talked about this, but for me, like getting out if I walk within a couple of minutes, I'll be like, ah, okay, now I can see this different, or like, ah, it just comes to me because I think I've created that space, and sometimes when we're so attached to it, and like I said before, that frustration, we cause that conflict within ourselves, don't we?
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they get in that space from it, and sometimes I'll say, Oh, this thing's on my mind, I'm just gonna sit with it.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I kind of sat and thought about this last night, which is funny because I'm gonna contradict what I say.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: If I say I'm sitting with this, I'm not sat thinking, focus on it.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: Not I'm actually.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Doing the opposite, sitting with it for me is like have it in the back of your mind, have it like loosely there, yeah, but give yourself that space.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: And it could be the walk, it could be a couple of hours, it could be a weekend, it could, it could be a lot longer.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just to give that space to just step away from it because I always find it just it comes to me at some point like ah, you needed to see that, or like this is why it makes sense, or like this is the shift of perspective.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I actually remember something that you said to me in one of the readings that we did is I think that's quite normal for my process.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like sometimes it ends for me, and that can be quite frustrating because I'm like, I haven't got the rest of the story or the puzzle or whatever it is.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: And for me, it can be days, weeks, sometimes months, where I'll then pick it back up and be like, ah, those two pieces go together, this is why it makes sense.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I think you've said that quite normal.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I definitely I think I love I love how that is just another way of you learning that to trust yourself and knowing that that is your process, and that that's not always everybody's process, but you know that's yours, and so that's all that matters, and that you can then refer to that when you need to.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: We can sometimes forget, can't we?
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: And then we suddenly remember hang on, I know what I need to do with this, I've done this before, and then and then move to it.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I yeah, I can see that.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's um space is such a beautiful thing to give ourselves, without a doubt.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I wonder how that feels for you again, around when you can remember that that that you kind of have shifted yourself so much into an awareness of this is your process, when you get that remembering, how does that feel for you?
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's interesting.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: I will answer in a second, but something you've just helped me reframe something actually by saying that's my process.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because sometimes I and I think we all do this as well, as saying my experience is my experience, and I'm quite aware that my experience is different to other people, of course, because that's how it's meant to be.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but even that was an example there that I might speak to my clients or say, Go for a walk, get out, create some space, and I think it is very useful, but maybe that actually isn't everyone's process.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: So you've just helped me.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's a perspective where I just needed to remind myself, ah, okay, in this particular process that we're talking about, maybe people have a different way that works for them.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: Here's a live one reframe.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: And to then answer your question, that's like great.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh in fact, even you just saying that, like, feel a bit more like tingly and like, oh, I love having that perspective.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: I love having um those kind of downloads, or those like, ah, this is a way of seeing it differently, or this is a change of even like you've just done there, and I'm like, oh, okay, this is a reminder, people work differently.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: What I works for me doesn't always work for everyone else.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: And that's I love that it's like energizing, but also in a way, like freeing.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, ah, okay, I'm seeing this differently.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I guess you've seen it in real life.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: This is the process for me, and this is how it feels when I get to reframe.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you for that.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's okay.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: You're very, very welcome.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's the that's the service we provide for each other, isn't it?
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and this is why we're here as well.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm glad that we got to say that.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I wonder if there's anything else at this point that you that you'd want to add around kind of um reaching this point in the podcast, maybe, and us kind of having this time to reflect a little deeper on our own reframes.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: Is there anything that's coming up for you?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: I just I just love these conversations.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: I I love the process, I love that we've created this podcast and this opportunity, like we have just then, to um support each other, but to have different perspectives, to bring our different experiences and skills together.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I hope that anyone listening, it's just an insight into conversations that we have and hopefully feel a part of the conversation as well, not just listening to us, but um, you know, I hope that it helps someone do you know, like what I just have now, like, ah, okay, yeah.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe I hadn't seen that, or like, oh, okay, I've been thinking that too.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so that's what I would hope for anyone listening and for them just to say thank you, if they are, but no, also a thank you to you.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm so glad we've got to this will be episode nine.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna do 10 as well, which I'm excited to hear your responses.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so yeah.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: Excellent.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you so much, Danielle.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: So much wisdom there, as always, so much insight.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: I love hearing your perspective on things, and as always, helping me and others have their own perspective shift.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: So, yes, thank you.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: And we shall see you, or I shall see you, and we shall see you again in our next episode.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: Take care, everyone.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Sarah.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: See you soon, everyone.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.